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Subject: Re: musings on slowdive lyrics
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:30:08 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name is Alive, ugh.
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:35:11 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Re. Baraka and DCD
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 18:49:31 -0800
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: and another thing
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 19:00:30 -0700
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Snow, Cocteau, Snow, Box
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 20:38:53 -0800
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Dean Wareham/Mark Robinson project "Rhonda Harris"
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:33:59 -0800
From: "Chris.Hanks" (luna@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Re: Season Clearance - pop records - general
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:15:36 -0500
From: "Peter C. Lee" (Lushmuse@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re. little CD sale
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:34:28 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Frank Black - The Cult of Ray
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 09:57:58 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Heaven;y Bodies and Slowdive
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:14:29 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: and another thing
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 09:20:14 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Snow, Cocteau, Snow, Box
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:09:24 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Axiom of Choice
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:33:52 -0500
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: cocteau _Milk and Kisses_ news (bad for some)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:40:17 -0500
From: Read Dawkins (JEHEINDL@AMHERST.EDU)
Subject: FS: Cocteaus, Lisa G., Pale Saints, Belly
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 16:42:07 -0500
From: BlissedJ@AOL.COM
Subject: ESP Summer (continental)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 16:05:53 -0500
From: SCSI Master (keith@DGVIS.ER.USGS.GOV)
Subject: Re: Season Clearance - pop records - general
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:41:35 -0600
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: ESP-Continent Worldwide Mail Order!
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:06:39 +0100
From: "Laurent Lapierre \"P'tit Greg.\"" (lapierre@MICRONET.FR)
Subject: Lilliput Sale!
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:31:58 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Heidi Berry
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:05:36 -0800
From: "Jonathan Smith, JDHS, Juneau, AK" (smithj@JSD.K12.AK.US)
Subject: CLM and Bedazzled discographies coming
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 09:38:57 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)

Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:30:08 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: musings on slowdive lyrics


>>>>love songs on the radio
>>>>        your sweetheart lies in bed
>>>>        she's dreaming of the things you said
>>>>        she's hoping that it's meant
>>>>
>>>>I don't mean to nitpick, but the lyric contains such a glaring
>>>>grammamtical error that I am inclined to think it means something fairly
>>>>clever.
>>>
>>>What grammatical error would that be, then? There's nothing wrong there.
>>
>>i think you're kidding, but the lyric should read, "she's hoping that they're
>>meant."
>
>I'm not kidding, but I didn't see that one at all. It should be "they're"
>because of "things", you mean? That's true, but hardly a glaring error.
>Besides, it doesn't infer anything different whether it says "it's" or
>"they're" - it's comprehensible either way.
>

well, I'M not the one who typed glaring.  besides, when you're a journalism
major considering an english double, any error is glaring. (note:  this
does not, however make me immune to making such errors, so stop writing
that correction you were going to send.)  yes, it's comprehensible, but
still wrong.

that muse on MOJAVE lyrics finished, i know pose the question:

does anyone have lyrics to mbv's "drive it all over me?"  i picked up ymmr
last weekend (for $10 -- has it been rereleased?), and i love that song.

BiZ

Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:35:11 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: His Name is Alive, ugh.


neitzl@TEZCAT.COM opines:
>  On to my subject.  I really dont like HNIA, sorry guys, but i did buy
>their first cd, Livonia, thinking, ok, 4ad, should be good, nice cover :),
>then i popped it in, and it was just noise.

I'm not fond of HNIA either -- I think that makes exactly two of us on
the list :) -- but characterizing them as "noise" doesn't make much sense
to me. Granted, any one-word description is going to be vague and
imprecise, but I own "Livonia" and there's practically no moment of it
that I would consider noisy; on the contrary, it has a
hermetically-sealed glassy smoothness to it -- all little lines of melody
that repeat over and over, and breathy soprano vocals that are absolutely
inflectionless and sound as though they're reciting some kind of dull
voice lesson -- that I would characterize as "claustrophobic" or
"suffocating". But not noisy in any way that I conceive of that word.

Note that I'm not picking at your opinion (I basically share it) but your
choice of description seems odd. Perhaps you can expand on where the
noise comes in...

__________
Jens Alfke  __________________
            jens@mooseyard.com
                          ________________________________________
                          He wants a shoehorn, the kind with teeth
                         'Cause he knows there's no such thing.

Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 18:49:31 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Re. Baraka and DCD


From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK) > in fact I wasn't even looking for it and just happened to see >multiple copies sitting in an HMV or Virgin Megastore in that massive >shopping centre (sorry, mall) in Sheffield. I remember seeing ads that it was on sale at the Virgin Megasuperthings when it came out last year (on tape and laserdisc.) >>although there are only two DCD tracks in it, they fit the imagery >>like a glove, and the rest of the score is fantastic as well. >There is only one DCD track in the film's score isn't there? (I can't be >bothered to run through it again.) My video does have a "bonus" music video >of Yulunga which is basically like a trailer for the film in that it's just >a load of clips from the film put together. That's the same "Yulunga" video that is on the _Toward the Within_ video. The second DCD track is only in the movie (not on the soundtrack or anywhere else) and is during the images from Nazi concentration camps, faces, barbed wire, shoes, and skulls, I think. It's pretty recognizably Lisa Gerrard's singing. -nck

Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 19:00:30 -0700
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: and another thing


>so, like, hey, what's the scoop on Cest' la Mort? i've recently
>                             h f
>been taken with buying everything i can find on that label
>                             e i
>in every used record store east of the western hemisphere. last
>                             l r
>i heard, they moved to mississippi or somethin'.
>                             l e
>ok, so this is slightly out of date and not at all thislisty.
>                               !
>megasnaps from dave "queen of clubs" sargent (desarg@mail.wm.edu)

Um,  they're either dormant or dead, to the best of my knowledge and "they"
as in Woodrow Dumas moved to Oregon from the south.  I used to love CLM!!!
Then all of a sudden Woody moved and all the bands left the label (i can't
remember which happened first).  Area permuted itself, Big Hat left the
label, Judgement of Paris felt cheated or something and put out another
excellent album on an even more obscure label (and i haven't heard from
them since).  Um, and the rest of the crew well, who knows?    Anyone have
better info?  I'd love to hear it too.
        In their finest hour C'est La Mort were magnificent!  Johannah's
House of Glamour's first album sounds to me like the much tauted Long Fin
Killie.  Does anyone have a copy of JHoG they'd like to sell me?  (mine got
stolen)  Area, Big Hat, and Judgement of Paris made me think that the
midwest was worthwhile!  ;)

        I did notice that Boroda (HI Igor!) was selling some CLM stuff so
you might want to snatch that up while you can, otherwise  keep
searching the used bins.  You might still be able to get a hold of Woody
and he might have *some* stuff but last i heard almost all the Area CD's
were out of print.   The others might be too.   He had an e-mail address
but i don't have it (or the snail mail) here.

Good luck,
cz


DCD  --->  Heavenly Bodies (CLM)
DCD ---->  Eden ------->  Doctor Death (CLM)
TMC ---->  Breathless  -----> Doctor Death (CLM)
general dreamy atmospheric music (4AD)--->general dreamy atmospheric music(CLM)

or if i want to unfairly characterize:

CLM ---->  Projekt <----- 4AD     (Projekt is considered by some to be
trying to emulate 4AD but they also have or plan to rerelease CLM discs
like Area and Controlled Bleeding)


list that was talked about.  :)


___<<<<<<<<<*********ckemnitz@students.wisc.edu********>>>>>>>>>___

"That's how society strangled all those it wanted to get rid of, or wanted
to protect itself from, and put them in asylums, because they refused to be
accomplices to a kind of lofty swill.
     For a lunatic is a man that society does not wish to hear but wants to
prevent from uttering certain unbearable truths."   -Antonin Artaud

Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 20:38:53 -0800
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Snow, Cocteau, Snow, Box


You wrote:
>
>On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Foothill High School Associated Student Body
>
>> Beings that it is snowing here (only happens once every two years)
in
>> Redding, CA today, I am leaving school and going to go home and
stoke the
>> fire and listen to the Cocteau Twins.  I believe someone on the list
once
>> suggested Victorialand for those long winter days.  Anybody have any
other
>> suggestions?
>>
>> I was also wondering, speaking of Snow, if anyone knows where I can
get a
>> copy of the Cocteau Twins Snow CD?  I have an extra copy of Love's
Easy
>> Tears, Victorialand, and Dif Juz that I am willing to trade.  Trade
or not,
>> please let me know if you know.
>>
>> Also, I would like to purchase the Cocteau box set.  Anybody know of
a good
>> mail order that has it, or about what price it should cost me?
Thanks in
>> advance for the info.

I purchased box set for $65.00 in Minneapolis.  I got a deal because
this was one of the many items that were lifted by a very degenerate,
sorry excuse of a human being this past summer.  The discount was the
sales tax.

I've seen the list price for retail ordering at 70.00.

euthelene




>>
>> Not to offend anyone in the eastern half of the country, but "Let it
snow....
>>
>> Layne
>> fhsasb@shastalink.k12.ca.us

Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:33:59 -0800
From: "Chris.Hanks" (luna@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Dean Wareham/Mark Robinson project "Rhonda Harris"




*** START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ***
On Fri, 19 Jan 96, Neil D. Vachhani wrote:

thought you might be interested...

Dean Wareham did an album with Mark Robinson (of Unrest/Teenbeat/Air
Miami fame) and Piet Breinholm Bendtsen (from 18th Dye).  They did it
under the name Rhonda Harris (it's self-titled) and it's very good.  It
was released early sometime in '95.  Dean appears under the pseudonym
'Nikolaj Norlund,' and nowhere in the liner notes does his name appear.
However, his picture does appear on the inside of the liner notes, and
his distinctive voice is unmistakable.  The track listing is as follows,
and if you decide to add it to your page (or edit it), you have my

1.  Sweet Low Life
2.  So Happy
3.  You're On Top!
4.  Put My Love Out the Door
5.  Guess So
6.  Think of Me Naked
7.  Look At Me
8.  Hilarious
9.  Lisa
10.  It's a Nightmare

All of the tracks listed are written by Dean (sorry, 'Nikolaj') except
for "Put My Love Out the Door," which was written by Daniel Johnston
(don't know if he actually ever recorded that one.)  The publishing
information is as follows:  RAIN 014CD on Cloudland Records, P.O. Box
575, DK-2200 Copenhagen N, Denmark.

Hope you can track down a copy!

Neil Vachhani
University of Minnesota

*** END FORWARDED MESSAGE ***
--
Chris.
luna@teleport.com


Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:15:36 -0500
From: "Peter C. Lee" (Lushmuse@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Season Clearance - pop records - general


hi!!

i'm interested in yr my bloody valentine 7 inches...please let me know how
much it's going for right now.

thanks!
pete

Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:34:28 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re. little CD sale


>Heavenly Bodies Celestial( Ullrich from DCD)    $8ppd

What's all this then? Is that the thingy with the song about the young lad
going off to war with his boots? No one answered my question about this
song when I posted to the list a few months ago.

If it is I'll have it. If not I'm interested in it anyway if you can tell
me some more about it.

Ta,

Andie


Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 09:57:58 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Frank Black - The Cult of Ray


Short review: It sucks, don't buy it.

Long review: It sucks, don't buy it.  Totally uninspired - he seems to
have lost his knack with a tune, the music sounds like any MOR rock
group having a go at punk, the lyrics sound like a parody of his former
work.  And the cover is the sort of thing a bored eight year old would
come up with if left alone with a PC drawing package.  It's really
embarrassingly awful - the cover screams "DON'T BUY THIS, IT SUCKS!!!",
which means it is perfect.  Initial copies come with a bonus CD with
four extra tracks, I haven't even managed to work up the strength to
listen to that yet.  Don't buy it, it sucks.  Got the message yet?

On a more positive note, THEWEDDINGPRESENT are back with no spaces
between the words and a six-track mini-album called "Mini" which is very
fine indeed - a slight return to their jangly sound before Steve Albini
got his hands on them.  Short spunky pop songs - I remember when someone
else could write those...

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 23/01/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/NORMAN.HTM
Teenage Fanclub - Grand Prix

Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:14:29 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Heaven;y Bodies and Slowdive


>What's all this then? Is that the thingy with the song about the young lad
>going off to war with his boots? No one answered my question about this
>song when I posted to the list a few months ago.

No. The Heavenly Bodies album is not the Peter Ulrich 12",
but HB does have some people who have played on Dead Can
Dance album(s?) in the past. James Pinker and Scott Rodger.
It's also got Caroline Seaman who sang on Filigree and Shadow.
I think the album is very good. It's hard to describe since it's
quite varied-- anything from Dead Can Dance sorts of "ethnicity"
(for lack of a better word) to a dance tune. It's all very keyboard
heavy and probably what some would call "gothic" in places.
C'est La Mort licensed it from Third Mind as I seem to recall.
Looking at the CD right now, I see that it's almost all Pinker
and Rodger, with Seaman on vocals, plus Tony Waerea
(sax and didgeridoo) and Yvette Pinker doing keyboards on one song.
Released 1988. # CLM-010. CD and vinyl. There was also a 12"
with a version of "Rains On Me" remixed by Robin Guthrie (it's
included on the CD), a short version, and a non-LP/CD song.
The CD also has two other songs not included on the LP,
one of them live.

The Peter Ulrich 12" is two songs, "Taqaharu's Leaving"
and "Evocation". Released in 1990 on Corner Stone Records.
Cat no. PTD-001. Voices: Peter Ulrich, Angela Silverman,
Chuck Silverman; Oboe: Ruth Watson; Trombone: John Singleton;
Percussion & flutes: Peter Ulrich; Samples & sequencing:
John A. Rivers. Produced by John A Rivers and Peter Ulrich.
Published by Beggar's Banquet/Momentum;
Publicity and info by RJB Communications Ltd. Black and white
sleeve. UPC number... (just kidding.)

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 09:20:14 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: and another thing


[...Woody Dumas and C'Est LaMort stuff deleted...]

> were out of print.   The others might be too.   He had an e-mail address
> but i don't have it (or the snail mail) here.

I think his email address is/was CESTLAMORT@AOL.COM.  He sent me email the
last time I contacted him; so I think he's still there...


marvynHortman                 ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us


Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:09:24 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Snow, Cocteau, Snow, Box


>
>>On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Foothill High School Associated Student Body

all of them?



Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:33:52 -0500
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Axiom of Choice


"Axiom of Choice"

Can anyone tell me anything about this band? I ask because I saw a very
brief review that compared them to DCD, and because, as a fallen
mathematician, I can't resist the moniker.

Paul

Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:40:17 -0500
From: Read Dawkins (JEHEINDL@AMHERST.EDU)
Subject: cocteau _Milk and Kisses_ news (bad for some)


I just heard that Capitol has moved the Cocteau's release back until April!!!
The apparent reason was that too much was coming out around the original
date.  Have they no faith in their artists?

jason eugene


Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 16:42:07 -0500
From: BlissedJ@AOL.COM
Subject: FS: Cocteaus, Lisa G., Pale Saints, Belly


hope these cds might be of interest to some of you:

>Lisa Germano "on the way down from the moon palace"

>Pale Saints "mrs. dolphin"

>Cocteau Twins "the conversation disc series" (ABCD 010)--- limited edition
of 1500.

>Belly "baby silvertooth"--- still in shrink wrap.

>...think i'm getting the hang of it

reply to me if you're interested. thanks for looking.

Jeff

Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 16:05:53 -0500
From: SCSI Master (keith@DGVIS.ER.USGS.GOV)
Subject: ESP Summer (continental)


Does the ESP Summer 10" contain all the stuff from the original cassette?

Will that be the same as the CD?

thanks,
Keith
                      ************************************
                                 Keith Richmond
                        US Geological Survey, Reston, VA
                             keith@dgvis.er.usgs.GOV
                      ************************************

Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:41:35 -0600
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: Season Clearance - pop records - general


>MY BLOODY VALENTINE     NO PLACE TO GO  FEVER 5 7"
>MY BLOODY VALENTINE     SUNNY SUNDAE SMILE      LAZY 04 7"
>STEREOLAB       DOUBT/CHANGER   DUPHONIC SUPER 45'S     7"
>PALESAINTS/FRENTE/JPS EXPERIENCE/J HATFIELD SPLIT               WHITE   7"


hey man, what's going on??
i wouldn't mind getting these off your hands.  so let me know how much you
want for them.

thanks.

-zelzah.


Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:06:39 +0100
From: "Laurent Lapierre \"P'tit Greg.\"" (lapierre@MICRONET.FR)
Subject: ESP-Continent Worldwide Mail Order!


Fresh news directly from Karina Square, the french label which released
the ESP-Summer CD version of Ian and Warren, named ESP-Continent.

ESP-Continent is available trough Mail Order at:

        Karina Square
        107 rue de Javel
        75015 PARIS
        FRANCE

Price is $20, which include postage rates (for USA and wordlwide), payable
by IMO (Inernational Mail Order) to Karina Square, or simply cash.
(as always, put banknotes inside a sheet...)
I think they don't take any credit card.

There is 1000 (many a little more) copies NOW:

ESP-Continent is not a limited edition. I mean, Karina Square as today
about 100 copies left, quite all the 1000 first copies are sold (great!),
so they have already asked for a new pressing.


                          ___
Laurent Lapierre         |-,-|        Just coming back from the theater:

lapierre@micronet.fr     | - |  Jim Jarmusch's _Dead Man_ (a great film)

Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:31:58 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Lilliput Sale!


I=B4m facing a very difficult financial time, that means I need some money!
I=B4m sorry that I=B4m about to do this...: I have a copy of the Lilliput=
 Promo,
it=B4s complete with the booklet and the two cd=B4s

MAKE ME AN OFFER (starting at 60).

Pepe. (this hurts!)

Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 15:05:36 -0800
From: "Jonathan Smith, JDHS, Juneau, AK" (smithj@JSD.K12.AK.US)
Subject: Heidi Berry


I'm very interrested in knowing if Heidi Berry has anything released
(foreign/domestic) other than Below th Waves and her self-titled.  Also, I
know she put out an albu called Love (UK?), does anybody know here I can
get a copy?

Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 09:38:57 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: CLM and Bedazzled discographies coming


Since there seems to be a latent interest in C'est La Mort
bubbling to the surface, I'm preparing a CLM discography
which I'll post here in the next few days. The last CLM
release I know of is the Johanna's House Of Glamour 7",
designated CLM-50.

I'm also going to post a Bedazzled discography, having just worked
one out. They're is becoming THE label to watch, and if you're
fed up with the whole 4AD situation, I think Bedazzled is becoming
a fine substitute.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html