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Subject: Softlights and the Black Core...
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 01:54:09 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: The White Room & Lush
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 10:36:02 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Things that make you go AAHHHH!
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 07:51:23 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: musings on slowdive lyrics
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 10:47:38 -0500
From: The Sid James Experience (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: long live Slowdive
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 08:09:22 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Looking for SCHEER
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 12:17:58 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: musings on slowdive lyrics
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 11:36:37 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Lush Guest Vocalist
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 18:25:39 +0000
From: "Hugh O'Brien" (hugh@INTERNET-EIREANN.IE)
Subject: v23 and London shops
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:55:27 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: musings on slowdive lyrics
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:13:11 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mojave Whathaveya
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:11:51 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIAQ&A /U.S. vs. U.K. MbM
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:32:53 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: mbv new ep??
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 12:08:13 -0800
From: lushmuse (lushmuse@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: musings on slowdive lyrics
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:49:19 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses : New Album!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:21:43 -0600
From: drew rosielle (rosielle@MARLEY.BITSTREAM.NET)
Subject: Re: Tanya Donnelly and Catherine Wheel
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:38:40 -0600
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: mbv new ep??
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:35:59 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mojave Whathaveya
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:36:51 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: musings on slowdive lyrics
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:15:00 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses : New Album!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:25:55 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Snow, Cocteau, Snow, Box
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:41:58 -0800
From: Joel Krueger (jwkrueger@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name is Alive, ugh.
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 19:01:33 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@ANIMAL.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: lots of little things that add up to nothing
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 20:15:46 -0600
From: goo goo goo joob (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)

Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 01:54:09 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Softlights and the Black Core...


I'm still enamored with Seefeel and Scorn ("Gyral" sounds more like the
quintescence of abyssal introspective depression, as opposed to fey angst
or moping, with every listen), and have seen a Sub Rosa comp which I
think is entitled "Soft Lights and the Black Core", with Seefeel, Scorn,
Timothy Leary, and someone else whose name escapes me.  Is this
detrititus, or worthwhile efforts by the artists in question?

Loaves and fishes, kiddies.
Darryl


Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 10:36:02 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: The White Room & Lush


Just watching the White Room on Channel 4 (UK) whilst wading through the
shed loads of mail which was backed up on my server when I got back from a
week away - I'm pretty sure that the presenter said that Lush were on next
week, though I wasn't being really attentive. If I'm correct, they're
getting around a bit at the moment aren't they? Top Of the Pops, Saturday
kids' shite, the White Room etc. They really are going for it in a big way.


I fucking hate the crap sleeves for Single Girl, does anyone else? Desire
Lines and Hypocrite were pretty shitty too. Oh yeah, the new logo's a bag
of shite an' all. Why dump the beautiful old Jim Friedman approach? Lush
*was* the word. Perhaps they ought to change their name to something more
suitable for these commercial/bad packaging times...

Oasis are on the White Room next week too BTW. If anyone's interested it's
on Saturday night at 11.10 pm.

Andie


Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 07:51:23 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Things that make you go AAHHHH!


You wrote:
>
>> Has anyone else mentioned that the Chemical Borthers sampled Swallow
on
>> one of their songs - one song was Peek-a-boo.
>
>
>talking about sampling...seems like Salvador Monkhouse have sampled
>the opening wails of Mrs Gerrard off Yulunga on the track
>Euuphoria...

black Grape has a sample of Yulunga on their new album as well, it's
either in "reverend Black Grape" or "in the name of the father," i
really can't remember which right now but...

Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 10:47:38 -0500
From: The Sid James Experience (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: musings on slowdive lyrics


>First, is this correct?
>
>        Into the wad of things
>        inside your head,
>        go kill the both of us;
>        don't bother me.

I've heard it as "go kill the both of *them*"

>- The only lyrics to Crazy for You seem to be "crazy for love..." which
>  strikes me as fairly sinister.

The lyric (yes, lyric in the singular - look in a good dictionary) does seem
to consist of that phrase repeated again and again, but it strikes me as
more annoying than sinister.

>Does Rachel really think the lyrics to Machine Gun are cheezy?

Where did you hear this?

>love songs on the radio
>        your sweetheart lies in bed
>        she's dreaming of the things you said
>        she's hoping that it's meant
>
>I don't mean to nitpick, but the lyric contains such a glaring
>grammamtical error that I am inclined to think it means something fairly
>clever.

What grammatical error would that be, then? There's nothing wrong there.

What always sticks out in my mind when I listen to the Mojave album is this
line from You're Beautiful. The lyric sheet includes the line:

"watch the spring in all it's plumage"

The glaring error of punctuation aside, something makes me want to shout
"only birds have plumage!" at the stereo. Surely Neil meant "foliage", or am
I being nitpicky? It just sounds odd.

Larry

on now: Labradford - "Balanced on it's [sic] own flame"

Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 08:09:22 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: long live Slowdive


>
>Better that way. Trying to gather Slowdive info from 4AD-L, UK-Indie,
>Dreampop-L, etc, really is a hassle. Now there's one place where all
>pieces of information can be gathered.

does anyone have the address where i can subscribe to the UK-indie
list? thanks in advance. i think i tried before, with no luck. :)

                    -bobb.


Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 12:17:58 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Looking for SCHEER


Please help me!
Would anyone on the list (particularly in Europe) be able to help me find a
CD copy of Scheer's "Psychobabble" EP?  I will pay good money of any variety
or trade for something else, also of any variety.

Please e-mail privately to CreigJ@aol.com
Thanks a lot!
CJ

Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 11:36:37 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: musings on slowdive lyrics


>What always sticks out in my mind when I listen to the Mojave album is this
>line from You're Beautiful. The lyric sheet includes the line:
>
>"watch the spring in all it's [sic] plumage"
>
>The glaring error of punctuation aside, something makes me want to shout
>"only birds have plumage!" at the stereo. Surely Neil meant "foliage", or am
>I being nitpicky? It just sounds odd.

"Foliage" wouldn't fit as well.  Aside from that, if one were to compare a
spring scene with a bird, then the green leaves could be analogous to its
feathers.  I dunno, but I personally think it's a nice analogy.

Good God, what is this now, a poetry class?  :)

Cheers,


hk
--
hk kahng | hk@neosoft.com & farrago@delphi.com
         | http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
         | hey, look! i'm picasso!


Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 18:25:39 +0000
From: "Hugh O'Brien" (hugh@INTERNET-EIREANN.IE)
Subject: Lush Guest Vocalist


        Didn't see this mentioned, but the guest cameo on Lush's
        new lp is apparently none other than Jarvis Cocker of Pulp!

        Also could someone post the address for Perdition Plastics
        please? I used to have it in an old copy of AP, but have since
        misplaced it.


      Hugh O'Brien            hugh@internet-eireann.ie
      "Music has to be sound, otherwise you are lost.Sound
      goes into the inner part of the human soul"-Iannis Xenakis


Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:55:27 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: v23 and London shops


>In particular I hear there are a couple of Beggars Banquet / 4AD shops.

I've just come back from London and whilst down I did see a (the?) Beggars
Banquet shop. I've never heard of/seen it before, but I was hurtling by in
a car and so couldn't stop. I'm sorry I don't know the exact address, but
I'm almost definate that it was just before the Putney Bridge (Putney side
- ie. south), which would make it on Putney High Street (looking at an A-Z
for you), and make Putney Bridge Tube (District Line) the closest station -
you'd have to walk accross the bridge. Sorry to be vague.

I agree that the Rough Trade shop in Neal's Yard is pretty good, and would
insist that you go to the cheese shop just 10 yards round the corner - it
has to be the best cheese shop in Britain - the smell will mean you can't
miss it - totally rank.

That shop on Hanway Street which someone else mentioned, I think it's
called Vinyl Experience is pretty good - I got my Lollita from there. Wait
a minute, there's four shops on that small street aren't there? I think
whoever mentioned Hanway Street was on about the small dingy shop a couple
along from VE - that's a good bet too, though I do hate the way they don't
allow you to get a proper look at the sleeves. Oh and the guy in there
pissed me off by slagging "whoever the smart-ass designer was who
needlessly killed so many trees to produce it" - he was talking about the
vinyl limited edition of Lonely is an Eyesore, God knows what he'd have
made of the box set... BTW, that was listed under the Birtday Party because
they'd seen their name on the sleeve. Duhhhhh.

The other two shops on Hanway street aren't brilliant, but are worth a
butchers. Hanway Street links both Tottenham Court Road and Oxford Street,
and is very missable.

There's also a Rough Trade shop just off Portabello Road - near if not on
Westbourne Street - find the underground public toilets on Portabello Road
and it's ten yards away. Last time I was there they still had a Cocteau
Twins box set for sale.

If you're interested, 100 yards away on Kensington Park Road is the Special
Photographers' Company. They used to represent Simon Larbalestier but don't
now, though they still have some of his prints for sale. Don't ask the
bloke who sits upstairs to see them - he's a bastard and will only be
interested in you if you look like you've got a few grand in your back
pocket. Ask one of the girls down stairs (though one is clueless). You used
to be able to buy original prints which were used on some of the Pixies
sleeves there, but be warned, they are not cheap.

I can't think of any others at the moment (Select-a-Disk is good). I
definately haven't heard of a 4AD shop.

On to the v23 stuff:

I'm pretty sure that v23 aren't going to do any other exhibitions in
America or Canada in the near future. Vaughan says he doesn't travel well
because of his gout (he was joking). I will definately be at the Newcastle
show - I didn't realise that it was so soon. The poster is going to have an
elephant and another designer friend of V and Chris's on it. They thought
that it would be funny to have another designer on their poster. They liked
the picture - I don't think the elephant is symbolic or anything. I thought
the picture was shite, but I'm sure if anyone can do anything with it, that
man will be Vaughan. I didn't know where the exhibition was going to be.
Someone said the University Gallery - would that be Northumbria or
Newcastle University? I would assume the former since that's the
reincarnation of where Vaughan, Nigel, Simon, Paul (?) and others who have
connections to v23 went. But the Newcastle University Gallery would be a
more traditional place, and would usually be called "University Gallery"
first, I would have thought. Any more info anyone?

Can't think of anything else to say...

Andie

Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:13:11 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: musings on slowdive lyrics


>>love songs on the radio
>>        your sweetheart lies in bed
>>        she's dreaming of the things you said
>>        she's hoping that it's meant
>>
>>I don't mean to nitpick, but the lyric contains such a glaring
>>grammamtical error that I am inclined to think it means something fairly
>>clever.
>
>What grammatical error would that be, then? There's nothing wrong there.

i think you're kidding, but the lyric should read, "she's hoping that they're
meant."


Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:11:51 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mojave Whathaveya


On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Johnathan A. Rickman wrote:

> Sheesh!

no kiddin!~

> If you say: guitars, then fine, i can see why you think their
> "country album" sux.

yea but there are lotsa bands that make
pretty noises but i personally wouldnt want to
listent to them on a daily basis.
so there must be something else....liiiiike:

> But the way I see it, is that Slowdive is more about their vocals
> now, more than anything.

AMEN! thank you! even more so for me its about the songs.
neil halstead is an amazing songwriter... take for example
"sarah" the verse is just D G.. and the chorus is just
derived off of that, but what he does with the melody
is so simple but something only an amazing songwriter could
do. it just flows and ebbs seductively over the swank of the
chords. just for a day is a good example of this too.
every single one of those songs hold up on their own, and the
textures and nosies make it all the more perfect. i play in
a little accoustsic duo and with just 2 voices and a gui,
spanish air is just amazing... really, there is just something
special about slowdive and its all about songs. (and i dont
think that i would say mo-java is country... cause i _like_ AMT.. :)

> I'll admit though, that lines like "Chained to my lover, as she's chained
> to me", is a bit odd coming from the authors of "She Calls". But what
> can I say, I'm into it. (:):(:):(:):(:):(:):(:):(:):(:):(:):(:):(:):(:)

but that all depends whether you interpret that
metaphorically, or literally. makes you think either
way.

my name is spiral and.. and.. i love MOJAVE!
there i said it! ugh.. ;)

                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu

Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:32:53 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIAQ&A /U.S. vs. U.K. MbM


> >and "The Dirteaters" is longer.  I am I missing anything?  Most of the tracks
> >don't seem to have additional samples, and the mix sounds the same.

there is a slightly different mix for the
dirteaters i think.. but it might just be
psychological for me.. and there is that jack
nicholson sample from ironweed, in the MbM version
of dirteaters.. (the one from the accoustic version)

other than that, thats it.


                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu

Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 12:08:13 -0800
From: lushmuse (lushmuse@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: mbv new ep??


hey!

i heard that my bloody valentine have 3 new tracks and is going to be on
a wax trax compilation...or is this old news or is this real?  can anyone
verify this?

thanks!


Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:49:19 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: musings on slowdive lyrics


On Sat, 20 Jan 1996, einexile the meek wrote:

> Does anyone have Pygmalion lyrics?

give me 3 weeks... :)
ill get them i swear! i got everything else, its
such a big hole not to have pygmailon..

> - The only lyrics to Crazy for You seem to be "crazy for love..." which
>   strikes me as fairly sinister.

yea the swirling repetitive mantra is rather sinister and
that creates a meaning in itself... and if you listen closely
you can hear t at the end of "crazy for lov..."  i think
its "...ing you..." so "crazy for loving you." anyways there
is a finishing line lower in the mix.

>         love songs on the radio
>         your sweetheart lies in bed
>         she's dreaming of the things you said
>         she's hoping that it's meant
>
> I don't mean to nitpick, but the lyric contains such a glaring
> grammamtical error that I am inclined to think it means something fairly
> clever.

>  e


                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu

Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:21:43 -0600
From: drew rosielle (rosielle@MARLEY.BITSTREAM.NET)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses : New Album!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


>Best news this Year:
>
>There will be a new Muses album this spring!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>It should be released as soon as April (on 4ad in Europe anyways,dunno
>'bout US release) and it has the working title of "Limbo".
>And more .... Kristin is writing some solo stuff now,off witch the
>release is skeduled for the autumn.
>Add the thirth Tindersticks album ( autumn),Scheer's debut (March),
>the new Afghan Whigs (March),the new Cure (Yeah,when will they finally
>release that album;it should have been out in June '95) and some
>other stuff I can't think about now or I don't know yet and  this
>will be a damn good year,I guess :).
>
>
> _____________________________________________________________________________
>
I haven't heard anything about the new TM album, but I the last I heard they had
founded their own label "Throwing Music" under Rykodisc.  The KH "Holy Single"
was the first release for Throwing Music.  I have no clue about what their
relationship with 4ad is anymore.

Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:38:40 -0600
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: Tanya Donnelly and Catherine Wheel


At 08:23 AM 1/17/96 +1100, you wrote:
>I watched a cute video of Catherine Wheel's "Judy's Staring At The
>Sun", and suddenly there is Tanya, duetting.  I've never been much
>of a fan of Catherine Wheel (there was a very nice Australian Catherine
>Wheel, but they are long gone).  Now I am very interested.
>
>So what's the goss.  Are there more songs with Tanya?  How did they
>meet?  What is the song _about_?
>
>Derby
>
>

As far as I know, Rob Dickinson liked Tanya Donelly's voice and he thought
it might go well with that particular song, Judy Staring at the Sun.
And the producer for their album, Happy Days, was Gil Norton who also
produced some of Belly's "star."  So that was his connection with Tanya.
I haven't seen the video but I have Happy Days and, as far as I know, Judy
Staring at the Sun is the only song with Tanya Donelly in it.
That's all I know...
I hope I have been some help.

-zelzah.


Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:35:59 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: mbv new ep??


On Sun, 21 Jan 1996, lushmuse wrote:

> hey!
>
> i heard that my bloody valentine have 3 new tracks and is going to be on
> a wax trax compilation...or is this old news or is this real?  can anyone
> verify this?

        hear-say-(heresy): the last i heard, which was about 3 months
ago, is that they were smokin pot and driving cabs, because they had run
out of money on his album. they said that they were about 50% finished,
having the coarse tuning done on the album, and still awaiting the
effects and mixtures. although, then again, i don't really remember the
source. hope this helps.
                        -sean

Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:36:51 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: Mojave Whathaveya


>AMEN! thank you! even more so for me its about the songs.
>neil halstead is an amazing songwriter... take for example
>"sarah" the verse is just D G.. and the chorus is just
>derived off of that, but what he does with the melody
>is so simple but something only an amazing songwriter could
>do.

Not to pick nits w/ [spiral], but I just happened to have my guitar handy at
the time.  The guitars on "Sarah" are capoed on the first fret, so the
verses are D# and G#.  The bit before the bridge "...but I can't hide, I'm
hurting babe, but I can't cry" is Gmin -> G#, and the line "lay your love on
me" (inexcusable bit of rawk lyricism, but much more excusable than... erm,
Oasis perhaps) is Cmin -> A# -> G#.

Or something vaguely like that.  Light a candle and play along.  :)

Cheers,


hk
--
hk kahng | hk@neosoft.com & farrago@delphi.com
         | http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
         | hey, look! i'm picasso!


Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:15:00 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: musings on slowdive lyrics


>> First, is this correct?
>>
>>        Into the wad of things
>>        inside your head,
>>        go kill the both of us;
>>        don't bother me.

> I've heard it as "go kill the both of *them*"

        I'm pretty sure it's "us". There's definitely no "th" sound right
after "of".

Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:25:55 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses : New Album!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


>> I haven't heard anything about the new TM album, but I the last I heard
they had founded their own label "Throwing Music" under Rykodisc.  The KH
"Holy Single" was the first release for Throwing Music.  I have no clue
about what their relationship with 4ad is anymore. <<

        They signed to Rykodisc as their distributor in the U.S., since
Sire dropped them (idiots), because of _University_ not selling a certain
amount. As far as I know, they're still on 4AD, but that could change at
any moment. Possible scenario:
        ivo: "Dammit, Kristin's way too brilliant for this label! I require
        a certain quotient of mediocrity, and she's ruining it! Throw her off!"
        flunkie: "Uh... yessir."


Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:41:58 -0800
From: Joel Krueger (jwkrueger@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Snow, Cocteau, Snow, Box


On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Foothill High School Associated Student Body wrote:

> Beings that it is snowing here (only happens once every two years) in
> Redding, CA today, I am leaving school and going to go home and stoke the
> fire and listen to the Cocteau Twins.  I believe someone on the list once
> suggested Victorialand for those long winter days.  Anybody have any other
> suggestions?
>
> I was also wondering, speaking of Snow, if anyone knows where I can get a
> copy of the Cocteau Twins Snow CD?  I have an extra copy of Love's Easy
> Tears, Victorialand, and Dif Juz that I am willing to trade.  Trade or not,
> please let me know if you know.
>
> Also, I would like to purchase the Cocteau box set.  Anybody know of a good
> mail order that has it, or about what price it should cost me?  Thanks in
> advance for the info.
>
> Not to offend anyone in the eastern half of the country, but "Let it snow....
>
> Layne
> fhsasb@shastalink.k12.ca.us
>


I don't know if they have any copies left, but I ordered "Snow" about a
week and a half ago from HMV Records in Boston.  I heard on this list
that they were selling it packaged with "Otherness", but I was able to order
just "Snow" for about $12.50, or so.(including S$H)

Their number is (617)357-8444

As far as the box set is concerned, I think I saw it either at CDnow site or
at CDworld - I can't remember which, though I do remember seeing it in
two places, so maybe they both have it.  One was definitely more
expensive than the other.

Joel
jwkrueger@ucdavis.edu


Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 19:01:33 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@ANIMAL.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name is Alive, ugh.


> then i popped it in, and it was just noise.  If anyone is interested in

Merzbow is noise.
His Name is Alive _Livonia_ is not noise.

Mike

Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 20:15:46 -0600
From: goo goo goo joob (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: lots of little things that add up to nothing


--Speaking of lousy Canuck music, what do I see joroses selling?
-->--Moist - Silver                                                        $3

oh poo on you. it was a promo that i forgot to acknowledge as such. and
crap, yes. i believe i listened to the first 30 seconds of each song and
then took it off. and i know you're kidding anyway.

*****

elvia/elvira/fred sez:
--I think it's time to stop before I punch a hole into my monitor.

 no! don't stop!

*****
what exactly is the 'scan-indie' list?
*****

one quick thought on the old mojave-sounds-like-rhp-sounds-like-mazzy
bands is lazy. i understand and somewhat agree with the mazzy comparison
but imo if nothing else, the production on rhp songs is much harsher. there
may be a few exceptions but the first thing that comes to my head after
thinking 'rhp' is the cacophony of noise on 'mother,' which is just a
little different from mellow acoustic strumming. god, since school started
i've been slipping back into music crit haven't i...dammit...

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lushmuse sez:
--i heard that my bloody valentine have 3 new tracks and is going to be on
--a wax trax compilation...or is this old news or is this real?  can anyone
--verify this?

same rumor i've heard from the idm list. still, i'm not really apt to
believe any of it until i have the shiny (or rubber) disc playing through
my stereo at loud volumes.

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hmmm...where should i post this?

i think slowdive is about the songs. i'm a nitpicky one about vocal stuff,
it must be the two years of bullshit classical training i had, but more
than the vocals what comes through is how they put the music together. the
reason i like slowdive so so so much is because neil et al may start out
with a simple melodic or chordal idea, but they add layers of melody,
lyrics, and effects that can only complement their original idea and
usually turn a merely good 'idea' or phrase into a completely mind-blowing
'song.' just as an example, with 'souvlaki space station' and 'where the
sun hits,' my two favorite songs by them i must add, the band starts the
song with a snippet of some melody (in the former, a simple delayed
progression of notes, in the latter, two guitar phrases and one bass line)
and simply repeat them. then the vox/fx/additional guitar lines gradually
come in and proceed to take the top of your head off and complement the
basic song idea.
i can't think of one slowdive song off the top of my head that contains the
overuse of effects or bludgeons a musical idea to death. i'm sure there are
a few, no one can be on all of the time, but these are exceptional
occurences rather than what they base their entire musical output on...
([mini-review] and the new starflyer 59, which i bought on a stupid whim,
is an example of the above: they use the same tuning/mode/musical
space/unimaginative lead guitar lines until half-way through the second
side, you've either fallen asleep, have a headache, or have turned the damn
thing off already.)
as complete songworks, 'souvlaki' is their best release so far. 'pygmalion'
can test your remote control trigger finger patience sometimes (and is a
completely different beast from what i'm offering above...i don't think one
can compare slowdive's earlier output to 'pygmalion,' if you want to debate
that email me privately), and the mojave incarnation...well, i just haven't
listened to the bugger enough yet to comment.

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random mind fart: oasis's 'wonderwall' would be a wonder-ful song if only
they would one: change the insipid 'wonderwall' chorus (no, liam, that was
*not* a possessed-by-john-lennon moment, as much as you may think it may
have been) and two: get liam to sing on-key for more than one measure. i
sit in awe of the groove they create with the play between their
instruments (especially the drums), but the damn vocals ruin it.

imagining snow,
.joanna.
who broke her ny's resolution to buy only mail-order yesterday...

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joroses@mail.utexas.edu                http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~joanna
andover '94
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'we are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.'
                                                        - kurt vonnegut, jr.