Subject: Re: 5 4AD-L Digest - 16 Jan 1996 to 17 Jan 1996
Subject: Re: Toomey/Grenadine/Eggs
Subject: Oval
Subject: Re: digest
Subject: Re: HNIAQ&A
Subject: Re: Revolver and Laika
Subject: Mojave: put your CD where your mouth is
Subject: Re: Is this a new thread ??
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences
Subject: Re: HNIAQ&A / ESP-Continent
Subject: time stereo e-mail and phone?
Subject: Re: 6 4AD-L Digest - 16 Jan 1996 to 17 Jan 1996
Subject: ESP Continent
Subject: Snow, Cocteau, Snow, Box
Subject: Re: Things that make you go AAHHHH!
Subject: Thislisty Record Shops In London.
Subject: Re: Things that make you go AAHHHH!
Subject: Re: HNIAQ&A
Subject: Re: RHP (mbv)
Subject: Re: Thislisty Record Shops In London.
Subject: Thislisty Record Shops In London.
Subject: Re: Is this a new thread ??
Subject: Re: New Member (Pixies Fan)
Subject: that 95 thingie
Subject: Cocteau videos too
Subject: Re: RHP (mbv)
Subject: eno vs microsoft
Subject: those old digests??
Subject:
Subject: Re: Cocteau videos too
Subject: Okay, so let's do the year end poll!!!
Subject: FB: Cult of Ray review
Subject: V23 exhibition, who's planning to go?
Subject: V23 exhibition, who's planning to go?
Subject: i'm back
Subject: 4AD release schedule
Subject: Re: those old digests??
Subject: voting procedures
Subject: His Name is Alive, ugh.
Subject: Re: ESP Continent
Subject: athol brose
Subject: Re: HNIAQ&A /U.S. vs. U.K. MbM
Subject: Re: Thislisty Record Shops In London.
Subject: bands changing names/label lists/RHP/post-rock
Subject: The Quay Brothers...
Subject: The Quay Brothers...
Subject: Re: time stereo e-mail and phone?
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 04:11:10 GMT
On Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:39:32 -0800, you wrote:
>Hey!!!How do I get off the Digest? WHo subscribed me to it? Blah!
>
>
>Cindy
>
If you want to get off the list entirely, send the message
SIGNOFF 4AD-L
to
[email protected]
If you just want to stop the digesting, and receive fifty emails a
day, send the message
SET 4AD-L NODIGEST
to the same address.
Paul
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 16:37:36 -0700
On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Johnathan A. Rickman wrote:
> Hate to be nitpicky but......
> > Also, Jenny and Mark Robinson have been friends for a long
> > time, so I'm sure that Ivo probably met her through that. Of course, one
> > shouldn't forget that Warren Defever produced the last Grenadine
> > (Robinson, Toomey, Andrew of Eggs) album.
> Actually, it's Rob of Eggs. Andrew was Eggs' lead singer.
DOH! You are quite right, sir. I stand corrected. (what was i
thinking? they look nothing alike...) btw, i also erroneously said that
the group toomey and dan littleton were in before liquorice was geek. it
was in fact SLACK.
noah
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 21:08:27 -0500
>>Oval 'systemich' - thier first album (that I know of)
>> is very smooth and mechanical and ambient and
>> sweet and wierd.
>>Oval 'dickont' - thier secont album (that I know of)
>> is smooth and totally unproductable with respect
>> to what is around that next corner.
>
>Can anyone tell me something about the people behind Oval? I bought their
>two discs at a record show because they had been filed with discs by
>Cluster. The woman working the booth said her boss had told her they were
>associated with Cluster, but all she knew was that he had said so.
>
>Frankly, I don't hear any connection. Can anyone confirm or deny the
>connection?
Unless there are obvious clues like the names Moebius and/or Roedelius
appearing on the records somewhere, I wouldn't know. If there's anyone
considering looking for these, beware that there is another Oval out there
that is/was signed to Icerink, the label started by one of the guys from
Saint Etienne, and which is obviously something quite different.
Larry
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:36:03 -0800
>did anyone else start receiving the digest yesterday for no apparent reason?
If you look at the top you'll see it's a _bounce_ of a digest, sent by a
clueless sysadmin who's trying to get one of his ex-users unsubscribed by
bouncing his mail back to the list. I'm trying to deal with this and I
think I've gotten him to cease & desist.
For those of you already getting digests, this is why you've been getting
duplicate messages.
__________
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[email protected]
_______________________________________________
"Ten, sir," said the tensor.
Tension, apprehension and dissention have begun.
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 20:28:52 -0800
"[email protected]" at Jan 18, 96 07:32:56 pm
>
> Must be a hidden track...
>
> Neither US or UK version has that particular song on the back cover listed.
>
> I'll have to throw each in the 'ole CD player and see if it spits out track
> #17...
Oops...forgot to mention, it's not listed on the cd it appears on...
Doh,
Jake
twenty-fuckin'five-to-one, me gamblin' days are done...
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 18:45:20 -0500
---from someone whose name I erased just seconds ago:
> Bascaly just a thank you to whoever mentioned revolver
> on teh list. I saw the album selling for a few pounds and
> decided to pick it up.
> Brilliant brilliant album...mut look out for the eps now....
> were they released on vinyl?
I think their entire recorded output was released on Hut in the UK, so I'm
sure that vinyl exists for all of it. I've seen the "Cradle Snatch" and "I
Wear Your Chain" (was that it?) EPs on vinyl, for sure.
> and if the album was only released 93, I'd say we're
> safe enough for another release.....I mean look at the
> Stone Roses or mbv...:)
I'm pretty sure that I read in Select quite some time ago that they had
broken up. This was a few months after _Cold_Water_Flat_ was released in the
US, if memory serves. But again, it doesn't always serve that well...
And as for Laika, didn't someone ask what they were up to? AP did an article
in their December issue on current sampling trends, wherein members of Laika,
Soul Coughing, and Nine Inch Nails were consulted. At the end, it mentioned
that they were "planning an EP release before year's end", which apparently
didn't come out on time. And they're the "proud owners of an Akai S3200", to
which all I can say is: must be nice.
---Jeremy
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 21:21:12 -0800
>previous slowdive fans who are currently
>unfazed by "Ask Me Tomarrow"
Speaking of Mojave. I went out to the stores today to buy Ask Me
Tomorrow and only tower had it and their prices are too steep (at $16) so i
searched elsewhere unsuccessfully and ended up buying 5 other CD's at other
stores. I think it would have been better for my pocketbook if i had just
payed Tower's exorbitant price.
The moral of the story is that if any of you dissatisfied customers
on this list want to sell me the CD, then please contact me via personal
e-mail and we'll work something out. Put your CD where your mouth is.
(hmmm? that sounds odd, but you know what i mean)
-cz
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 20:30:52 -0800
At 3:35 PM 1/18/96, Paul Rankine wrote:
>Seems to be some discussion about 4AD's worst release. I dont pretend to
>have heard *all* of 4AD's output, but of what I have heard I would like to
>vote for Tarnation's CD as the worst ever......4AD goes C&W ?? fucking
>hell, what is the world coming to ??.
Well, since Mojave 3 and Tarnation is out...it has been said that Ivo
thinks he is King George III.
Ivo, you bastard, leave RHP alone.
==================================================
Communicating from the corner of 5th and Vermouth
Fred/Derf Collins
(c/o [email protected])
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 20:21:31 -0800
Hello, Jeremy!
On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, J. Orr wrote:
> > "Sucker MF" is an excellent remix by the way, much harder than the
>
> Is this the same version that's on the first _Volume_ compilation? I believe
> it is, but my copy of V1 is about 500 miles away from me at the moment.
No, it is different. "Sucker M.F." is harder. As far as I
know the version on _Volume_ is exclusive to that compilation.
David, who oddly is enjoying listening to his roommate's ABBA _Gold_
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 00:48:40 +0100
>Does anyone know if the US Warner version has that track (I believe it's
>"The Last Waltz") or if it's only on the UK 4AD version?
>
>Thankya much,
>Jake
Don't know if the US version has the last track, but at least I've heard
that the US version has less samples on many tracks...
it's more than midnight here, that I have to compile, build, and link
before
giving news... give me one more day please -and maybe others demands!-, and
take into consideration the following:
>Maybe it's possible to take it trough _Time Stereo_ for less bucks.
>(this is a french released but the tape came from Time Stereo).
time stereo is a tape-only label, and my sources tell me this will be the
only cd for quite some time.
(it's BIZ talking)
Time Stereo is working with Perdition Plastics in Chi-town to release the CD
stateside. Exact same content as ESP Continent, most likely with different
song titles, very likely a different package, and a different name.
(now it's hk).
That's all for now!
>>>->-->---> L a u r e n t L a p i e r r e "P'tit Greg." <---<--<-<<<
mail : [email protected] http://Is.coming.soon/I.hope.html
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:18:05 CST
could someone please send me the record collector's phone # and e-mail? i
need to get ahold of darin.
thanks,
BiZ
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 22:52:08 GMT
To whoever asked about the new Lush Album. I think it is called Lovelife.
The other thing is that the next single after Singel Girl might be a song
called Ciao, a duet with El Jarvo of Pulp
--
Monkey
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:31:42 -0600
Minor correction. 1000 copies, not 800, so your chances of finding one has
just increased by 25%. Perdition Plastics is working on a stateside
domestic release (under the name ESP Summer with different artwork) which
will follow the French version by a couple of months.
Cheers,
Edison Carter
--
hk kahng | [email protected] & [email protected]
| http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:51:00 PST
Beings that it is snowing here (only happens once every two years) in
Redding, CA today, I am leaving school and going to go home and stoke the
fire and listen to the Cocteau Twins. I believe someone on the list once
suggested Victorialand for those long winter days. Anybody have any other
suggestions?
I was also wondering, speaking of Snow, if anyone knows where I can get a
copy of the Cocteau Twins Snow CD? I have an extra copy of Love's Easy
Tears, Victorialand, and Dif Juz that I am willing to trade. Trade or not,
please let me know if you know.
Also, I would like to purchase the Cocteau box set. Anybody know of a good
mail order that has it, or about what price it should cost me? Thanks in
advance for the info.
Not to offend anyone in the eastern half of the country, but "Let it snow....
Layne
[email protected]
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 04:46:34 -0500
> Has anyone else mentioned that the Chemical Borthers sampled Swallow on
> one of their songs - one song was Peek-a-boo.
talking about sampling...seems like Salvador Monkhouse have sampled
the opening wails of Mrs Gerrard off Yulunga on the track
Euuphoria...now if only Kev and the lads will get off thier arses and
release all those DAT's as official cds it would be the best damn
thing outta the UK since fish 'n chips (minus the fish of course) and
i've just realised the lack of punctuation marks in this post as well
*INHALE*....*cough*
the "it's raining outside" dept
hemsy
presently humming : Ayahuasca - Ayahuascan Chant
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 23:50:57 PST
Please help if possible.
A friend of mine is off to London for a month, and I thought I might take the
opportunity to find a few goodies that I haven't up to now located. I am looking
for
small indie / alternative (I use these terms vaguely and loosely) record shops
in London that stock second hand / new listie music. I've been to Tower and
Sister Ray, but there are apparently quite a number. If somebody could give me
names (and maybe Tube Stations nearby), I would be most appreciative.
In particular I hear there are a couple of Beggars Banquet / 4AD shops. These
addresses please.
^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hope you can help.
Chris, looking to spend a packet.
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 09:12:54 +0000
2 people have recently asked me if the Cocteau Twins are playing on the
new Cher record. I go 'WHAT' the f*** are you talking about. After
listening to it it appears that they are referring to the intro bit which
has the 'twingly-twangly' trademark Cocteaus guitar. I have put these 2
people straight saying that there is no possible way that CT would have
been playing and that the 't-t' sound can be made with a bit of
chorus/delay/echo/and reverb.
Has anyone else mentioned that the Chemical Borthers sampled Swallow on
one of their songs - one song was Peek-a-boo.
Saw Lush on TV. Live vocals, the rest backing tape. Should have played
the backing tape with the vocals instead.
'H'y
'H' Cambridge
Stockholm Environment Institute at York
University of York, York, Uk.
Me - http://www.york.ac.uk/inst/sei/sei/h.html
Snapper - http://asegweb.ohm.york.ac.uk/tsb/music.html
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 05:26:40 -0500
In a message dated 96-01-18 23:42:45 EST, you write:
>
>Must be a hidden track...
>Neither US or UK version has that particular song on the back cover listed.
>I'll have to throw each in the 'ole CD player and see if it spits out track
#17...
It should.
The UK cd of "Mouth By Mouth" does have a 17th track - a tangled knot of
samples called "The Homesick Waltz". It's a great song (I use the term
lightly!) - very hypnotic. I'd love to see HNIA do more in this vein... if
WEA lets 'em!
Later
GuerillaG
rave o' the day: Wagon Christ . . . good shit! :-D
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:14:54 -0600
> 4AD just
>>--slagged Mark off completely, so RCA backed out. Really shitty, if you
>>--ask me!
>>--
>>--Rick
>>
>>and thank you rick for posting that that many times. now we *really* know
>>how shitty 4ad are. thanks for getting the point across.
>J
>
>I think enough is enough. I cannot understand why 4AD would do such a
>thing? They are getting their money back, so why crap on Mark? I feel it
>is time to boycott all 4ad (new) products. I know some of you feel like
>RHP isn't worth it but what about other groups that may have to be under
>the foot of IVO the Terrible. IVO if you are reading this...your taste for
>music of recent, stinks.
>I'm listening to Mojave 3 right now as I finally was able to buy it at a
>domestic price. Good god, people...what was so incredible about this
>album. It's a poor RHP, Mazzy Star and county music rip-off. I really
>liked Slowdive's Soulvaki album...but this new effort on 4ad really falls
>short from all the applause lauded on it.
>
>If I was Mark, I figure out a way to sue the hell out of 4AD. Dear GOD i'm
>fuming and foaming at the mouth. I think it's time to stop before I punch
>a hole into my monitor.
>
>
>
>==================================================
>Communicating from the corner of 5th and Vermouth
>
>Fred/Derf Collins
>
>(c/o [email protected])
>
Um, guys, cool out...ok? :)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:30:51 +0000
> A friend of mine is off to London for a month, and I thought I might take the
> opportunity to find a few goodies that I haven't up to now located. I am looki
g for
> small indie / alternative (I use these terms vaguely and loosely) record shops
> in London that stock second hand / new listie music. I've been to Tower and
> Sister Ray, but there are apparently quite a number. If somebody could give me
> names (and maybe Tube Stations nearby), I would be most appreciative.
> In particular I hear there are a couple of Beggars Banquet / 4AD shops. These
> addresses please.
^^^^^^
When I lived down there I spent most of my money in Selectadisc - I
can't remeber the street its south of the Tottenham Court Road end of
Oxford Road and appears on the cover of the Oasis album. The other
shop was Rough Trade near Covent Garden (something Yard).
Hope that's of some help?
Richard
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:46:28 +0000
Item Subject: Thislisty Record Shops In London.
Chris,
Try Rough Trade records in Neal's Yard, Covent Garden.
They have a Skateboard shop upstairs if that's one of you vices.
Keith
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Date: 19/01/96 07:50
Please help if possible.
A friend of mine is off to London for a month, and I thought I might take the
opportunity to find a few goodies that I haven't up to now located. I am looking
for
small indie / alternative (I use these terms vaguely and loosely) record shops
in London that stock second hand / new listie music. I've been to Tower and
Sister Ray, but there are apparently quite a number. If somebody could give me
names (and maybe Tube Stations nearby), I would be most appreciative.
In particular I hear there are a couple of Beggars Banquet / 4AD shops. These
addresses please.
^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hope you can help.
Chris, looking to spend a packet.
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:57:45 -0600
Quoth Mr. Rankine (any relation to Leslie ex-Silverfish?)
>Seems to be some discussion about 4AD's worst release. I dont pretend to
>have heard *all* of 4AD's output, but of what I have heard I would like to
>vote for Tarnation's CD as the worst ever......4AD goes C&W ?? fucking
>hell, what is the world coming to ??.
I actually like a few songs from that Tarnation album, but then I've got a
thing for Patsy Cline, and as derivative as a second-rate Patsy Cline
revival Tarnation may seem, they do have their brief moments. Compared to
the vapid idiocy that passes for C&W nowadays (which is basically
rock'n'roll with western wear and an inbred drawl), gimme something like
Tarnation, hell, even Palace Brothers any day of the week.
I get the feeling that Ivo was (and quite possibly still is) enamored w/
Paula Fraser's voice; unfortunately, I don't think he quite realized that
the band can't write their way out of a wet paper bag and that they just
couldn't get along (as opposed to the case of Mark Kozelek, who can write
great songs like gangbusters, but can't seem to get along with his corporate
handlers - your ideal anti-"rockstar", natch).
Cheers,
hk
PS. On the subjective subject of "the Worst 4AD Release Evah," there was the
Scheer EP which brought to mind the earth-shattering possiblity of 4AD going
butt-rock. I died half of laughter and other half of embarrassment when I
listened to that disc a few months back. Believe it or not, they do sound
better through the gurgling mess that is RealAudio (check out the 4AD home
page and see/hear for yrself).
--
hk kahng | [email protected] & [email protected]
| http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 00:46:31 -0700
>Hi,
>
> I subscribed to this list in hopes that it would help me with my
>hobby. I collect Pixies albums, and am going for sort of a definitive
>collection. I've got all of the major releases on CD and cassette, and
>the Surfer Rosa/Come On Pilgrim double album CD. There's also a few
>singles and (my favorite) one called "Supernova" which is a recording of
>a 1989 concert in Vienna. It has a ton of spelling errors on the label
>and the audience is screaming in Austrian. The question is...
>
>Does anyone have Pixies albums they'd be willing to part with (Frank
>Black, Breeders and Amps, too)? B-sides, singles, EPs...et cetera.
>OR OR OR is there anyplace where I can order some from? Thanks in advance.
>
>Jim Campbell
>
>James Campbell
>[email protected]
>1902 S. Broadway #12, Pittsburg, KS 66762
>(316) 235-1602 --> Jim's Moose Outlet Hotline
>(316) 235-4801 --> SAC Office (Office Hours MWF 3-4pm)
I don't have any that I'll part with, but I'll make a tape for you of the
bootleg that I have. Of course, it would be nice if you'd tape the one you
have for me and we could trade? Let me know.
Oh, if you're wondering... the CD I have is called Black Hunter and is off
of the Doolittle tour.
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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 03:58:43 +0600
So, before it's way too late, i'm gonna tell you all what my
favorite purchases of new music were. There are 13 (my new lucky number)
in no particular order:
*Heavenly Voices III* This series is probably the best compilation series
for my tastes. Lots of female vox. Such a wonderful collection of
beautiful songs that i don't even program any out (a rarity for
compilations). Yeah, if you're into this sort of music you probably have a
song or two on here as i did, but ... Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:55:38 -0700
Just read someone else's post about Cocteau videos, and it reminded me that
I just got hold of a promo video cassette about two weeks ago that has
"Rilkean Heart" and "Half Gifts" on it.
Both videos are very well done. The two use much of the same
cinematography, abstract textural backgrounds that fill the screen, with
small insets of Liz singing and Robin and Simon playing. There are also
sequential snippets of lyrics flashing on screen, however they are not
synchronized to the music. In "Rilkean Heart," they are flashed on screen
about 1/2 second after Liz sings them, so if you are listening to her and
reading the screen it really messes with your mind.
One other interesting thing, at the end of "Rilkean Heart," there is a
10-30 second "refain" that is not on the Twinlights ep. It's just this
mellow fade out where Liz is kind of humming to the music.
I might be persuaded to make copies for those who prove themselves worthy! :-)
Side Note- Picked up a copy of Pearly, Pink, and White. On track one, there
seems to be a flaw in the recording right at about 1min13sec where the
sound cuts out for a second and then it does it again a moment later. It
sounds like a problem with the source tape, not the CD itself. Can anyone
confirm this?
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| | "When the rainy season comes I hang my head |
| Russell | For all the things that I have seen and done |
| russellm@ | and sung and said |
| xmission.com | And when my tears are dry, I hold my head up high |
| | and feel the rain" -Rainy Season, Roddy Frame |
==================== =======================================================
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:55:32 -0700
On 1/18/96, einexile the geek gave us this crap in response to Elvia or
Fred, I'm not sure which?
>On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:
>
>> >--slagged Mark off completely, so RCA backed out. Really shitty, if you
>> >--ask me!
>
>> >and thank you rick for posting that that many times. now we *really* know
>> >how shitty 4ad are. thanks for getting the point across.
>> J
>
>> I think enough is enough. I cannot understand why 4AD would do such a
>> thing? They are getting their money back, so why crap on Mark?
>
>Maybe RCA was interested in 4AD's reasons for dumping the band and 4AD
>gave them an honest answer? Wow! It happens, though. Better yet, maybe
>4AD have some respect and good feelings for their fellow record labels
>and aren't above saving them from bad decisions. Since when are we all
>dying to see our favorite bands sign to a big fat evil corporate record
>label, anyway?
This paragraph isn't so bad. Keep reading.
>
>> I feel it is time to boycott all 4ad (new) products.
>
>Pray tell, what does that feel like? I feel you are wrong.
>
>> I know some of you feel like
>> RHP isn't worth it but what about other groups that may have to be under
>> the foot of IVO the Terrible.
>
>As if he has so harmed them and done them such tremendous evil by not
>putting out their records!
>
>> I'm listening to Mojave 3 right now as I finally was able to buy it at a
>> domestic price. Good god, people...what was so incredible about this
>> album. It's a poor RHP, Mazzy Star and county music rip-off.
>
>Doesn't that make RHP a Mazzy ripoff? I wonder why you like *any* of
>these people if you can't detect the differences between easily enough to
>appreciate all three (and detect the mountains of shit on either side of
>Summer Dress).
The above paragraph is the exact type of incoherent blathering shit that
ween-e is guilty of far too often. If you think that I am writing this
because I have some kind of vendetta against e, then kiss my ass. If you
can't see the half witted, morons approach to argumentation being employed
here, I feel sorry for you.
To say that Mojave 3 sounds like a rip off of RHP and Mazzy star, does not
logically conclude with, "Doesn't that make RHP a Mazzy ripoof?" I'm sorry,
but that type of "reasoning" is just plain stupid. For those of you who are
popping capillaries right about now thinking that I am just flaming your
precious e for no reason...WAKE UP! I am not attacking e's character here.
>
>> If I was Mark, I figure out a way to sue the hell out of 4AD.
>
>I seriously doubt it. Maybe RCA should sign them and then sue the hell
>out of you when the arrangement turns sour?
Is this supposed to be clever? Oh, great e thank you for shedding light on
above comments about law suits. I see the flawed reasoning of Elvia (or
fred/derf ?) when contrasted with your MEANINGFUL and INSIGHTFUL retort.
>
>> Dear GOD i'm fuming and foaming at the mouth.
>
>This comes as something less than a surprise.
Anyone who has ever given me a hard time for flaming e, owes me an apalogy
at this point. The above comment is not meant to be humorous and/or
friendly. It's just a cheap barb meant to be purely inflammatory.
>
>> I think it's time to stop before I punch a hole into my monitor.
>
>No, please, go on.
>
>
> e
I realize that there are those listies out there, who think that e is some
kind of great contributer to this list. But (and I don't care if I'm alone
on this issue), I think e is a detriment to this list. He posts too many
arrogant, pointless attacks on other people, based on their opinions. Say
what you will, e needs to learn how to think logically, how to write
concisely, and how to respond to opinions without making petty innuendos
about the author.
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| | "When the rainy season comes I hang my head |
| Russell | For all the things that I have seen and done |
| russellm@ | and sung and said |
| xmission.com | And when my tears are dry, I hold my head up high |
| | and feel the rain" -Rainy Season, Roddy Frame |
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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 04:42:04 -0800
>From the NerveNet list...
> _From [email protected] Thu Jan 18 02:34 CST 1996
> Subject: That Microsoft Sound
> --------/\---------
>
> For [email protected], who inquired about what Microsoft Sound was, and
> what Eno had to do with it:
>
> When Win95 starts up for the first time, and every subsequent time you open
> the CD-ROM that Win95 comes on, the 'Microsoft Sound' plays. It's
> reminiscent of The Plateau of Mirror, though only several seconds long.
> Apparently Brian Eno was recruited to do it - perhaps Mr. Bill likes his
> music as much as we do!
>
> It would be nice to see something of a story about it, though...
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 15:04:24 -0500
>Side Note- Picked up a copy of Pearly, Pink, and White. On >track one, there
>seems to be a flaw in the recording right at about 1min13sec >where the
>sound cuts out for a second and then it does it again a moment >later. It
>sounds like a problem with the source tape, not the CD itself. >Can anyone
>confirm this?
Mine does this too, at the spot you mentioned and I think at one other point
during the disc. Generally a nice recording, though.
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 15:26:29 -0500
1995 4AD POLL
A number of people have mentioned doing this, but nobody's come forward. I
don't mind giving it a shot. If anyone feels like their turf is being tread
upon, let me know.
I will compile results until the closing date and post them to the
list...shall we make Valentine's Day the closing date?
Think on it for a bit, and send your responses to [email protected]
1. Best 4AD release of the year
2. Worst 4AD release of the year
3. Best 4AD song of the year
4. Worst 4AD song of the year
5. Best 4AD graphic design of the year
6. Best 4AD typography of the year
7. Most promising new artist on 4AD of the year
8. Best 4AD video of the year
9. Best 4AD related tour of 1995
10. Most anticipated 1996 4AD release
11. Artist of the year we wish were on 4AD
12. Album of the year we wish were on 4AD
Is there anything we should add? If I've left out anything valid, let me
know and I'll add it. Otherwise, start sending in your responses. I'll
e-mail any new voting areas to people who respond before a voting area has
been added.
Good voting!
CJ
[email protected]
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 12:12:32 -0800
I received in the mail a free issue of "Musician" magazine (March
1996), and in it, _The Cult Of Ray_ was reviewed:
Frank Black
The Cult of Ray
(American)
Frank Black is a lot like character actor Crispin Glover. Both
began their show-biz careers with sturdy, star-making
performances--Glover as the mousy Dad in _Back To The Future_ and the
distressed friend in _River's Edge_, Black with a guitar-fueled
juggernaut of releases by his old band, the Pixies. And both, over the
years, have gotten weirder and weirder, to the point where only devout
disciples appreciate their curious crafts. _The Cult Of Ray_, Black's
third (and self-produced) solo foray, is every bit as eccentric and
entertaining as Glover's recent cameo in _Twister_. It's a strange tour
de force not meant for myopic masses.
Black, a noted UFO enthusiast, wastes not time jumping into his
fave subjects. The opening "Marsist" begins with a quasi-Kinks riff,
segues into a surf lead, seasons the mix with saturnine guitar squeals,
eventually does channel-to-channel battle with surf and feedback, and
lyrically notes the nifty pleasures of living on another planet. "Men In
Black" expands on the theory: The protagonist has just filmed a saucer
with his camcorder, and figures he'll soon be silenced. Appropriately,
the vocal identity Black assumes for much of this project is
marshmallowy, often buried beneath swamp guitars. Even the most ferocious
number--the pun-hyper "Dance War"--waives artistic personality for sheer
sonic overload. The guitar reigns supreme here; voices are purely
incidental. That contrast is almost palpable on the reverb-happy "Jesus
Was Right", the Phil Spector-ish "You Ain't Me", and the classic rock
textures (with surly '50s punctuation) of "Punk Rock City". To paraphrase
an old cliche, Black may not know art, but he knows what he likes.
Occasionally, such single-mindedness does Black in--the
forgettable, overwrought title cut, for instance. But mostly it's
redemptive. Like all oddballs--including Crispin Glover--Black cares so
much for his personal causes, from space aliens to the salvation of a
good, fuzz-distorted tube amp, that you wind up being charmed, if not
converted, by his visions. --Tom Lanham
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 23:10:41 +0100
Hi,
V23 has an exhibition in Newcastle-Upon-Tyne at University Gallery 24th
february to 29th March.
Has anybody (besides me) plans to visit the exhibition?
Cheers,
Huite
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 23:06:16 +0100
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:03:02 -0500
hello kiddies, i've returned from about a year long hiatus.
i can't wait to waste several hours per day reading my
messages....oh, it's me,,dave sargent, otherwise known as:
[email protected]
and boy do i have a treat for you. within the past year i've
happened upon two more copies of hnia's king of sweet which i
will sell to you for what they cost me ($18 approx.). plus $2-3
for shipping. see, i'm looking out for you guys. i'm also trying to
get rid of my extra copy of colourbox singles collection for the
low, low price of, say, $11. how 'bout it?
details and catalogue numbers forthcoming.
write me privately of course!: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 23:10:42 +0100
sorry, I forgot the subjectline
4AD release schedule:
feb 19, Scheer: Ladykillers, BAD 6002 (CD)
mar 4, Lush: Lovelife (CAD 6004 (CD)
apr 1, Scheer: 12" t.b.c.
apr 22, Scheer: LP t.b.c.
may 13, Lisa germano: LP t.b.c.
may 13, Throwing Muses: LP t.b.c.
may 27, Heidi Berry: LP t.b.c.
jun 3, Dead Can Dance: LP t.b.c.
jun 25, His Name Is Alive: LP t.b.c.
Lush Ladykillers and Lovelife may move back 1 or 2 weeks.
Expect at least one Muses single before the LP.
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 12:16:34 -0600
Send a mesage with HELP in the body of the email to the listserv.
Should list the info, or how to get that info.
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 15:57:08 -0800
Before we all start voting, I'd like to suggest that
we follow the procedure that Lars has always gone by:
assigning points to what we vote for. I believe it went like
you want. So for "Best 4AD Release" you could do something
like
5 University
5 The Mirror Pool
or
10 Tipp city
or
7 Listening Cap
2 Gentle Creatures
1 Ask Me Tomorrow
and so on. You get the idea. If someone remembers better how it went,
then tell us. Ultimately it's up to Creig to decide how to do
the vote.
brant
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 17:25:59 -0600
Hello
I cant say i can not like much of the music that 4ad is putting out
nowadays, since i have neither the time, nor money to find all of these
groups. Tho slowdive is becoming interesting from all the mail they generate
here. Anyhow...i will keep reading on what bands are what, and such.
On to my subject. I really dont like HNIA, sorry guys, but i did buy
their first cd, Livonia, thinking, ok, 4ad, should be good, nice cover :),
then i popped it in, and it was just noise. If anyone is interested in
taking it off me hands, please lets, trade or something. Dont have too much
else on the selling block. Do have a large treasure poster from CT, and
apuzzle from their FCC lp. Oh yeah i collect vinyl too.
Later guys.
Ernesto
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 12:57:51 CST
In Message Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:31:42 -0600,
a bear of very little brain
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:10:59 -0800
I finally ended up making one of those athol brose
recipes (the simpler one without cream) and I figure
I must not have used enough oatmeal or honey or something,
because it tastes basically the same as straight scotch,
which is fine, but I was expecting something more. Also
where can you find heather honey, or will any type of
honey work?
Speaking of scotch, does anyone know of anywhere to
get a bottle of 15 or 17 year old Bruichladdich
for less then $60. I had a taste recently and it
was incredible.
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:57:13 +0100
>[email protected] wrote:
>>Don't know if the US version has the last track, but at least I've heard
>>that the US version has less samples on many tracks...
>
>I originally purchased the U.S. MbM release, and then later picked up the
>U.K. version by mail order. There weren't as many differences as I had
>expected. Other than "The Homesick Waltz", there is a sample of someone
>crying on the phone saying something about being taken to an insane asylum
>(after "Jack Rabbits"), and the quiet piano and voice track between "Torso"
>and "The Dirteaters" is longer. I am I missing anything? Most of the tracks
>don't seem to have additional samples, and the mix sounds the same.
You're probably right. I've just heard from the mailing list that there
were some differences in samples, but in fact I never heard the CD itself!
>(raison d'etre for'96: new HNIA _and_ DCD, oh boy!)
That's Right! But I'm expecting much more from Warren than from DCD now...
L a u r e n t L a p i e r r e "P'tit Greg." [email protected]
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 15:52:32 -0800
> Re: Thislisty Record Shops In London.
> selectadisk is in berwick street off oxford road, large store, pretty
much everything, useful secondhand section (saw 13yr itch in there and
one of the earlier compilations, the one with the folded cardboard
sleeve)
sister ray is also in berwick street, smaller but cheap (although
probably not by american standards), good for this listy stuff, and
ambient and techno stuff like fax and warp.
ufo music is in hanway street, off tottenham court road, behind the
virgin megastore. new indie stuff, second hand stuff (early spacemen 3
stuff in there last time i looked), memorabilia.
rough trade shop is in neil's yard (as previously mentioned) and is
superb for the more obscure stuff. it seems like most of the staff there
have their own record labels (lissy's, er, the other one).
tottenham court road tube station (where they filmed the underground
scenes in 'american werewolf in london') is within 10 minutes of all
these places if you know which way to go (get an a-z). if your friend is
at all musical then tin pan alley (denmark street) is on the way to rough
trade and is worth a look in.
--
andyx ([email protected])
were lush on totp by the way? i was out watching lung leg...
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:03:37 -0500
>>>Has
>>>anyone ever tried continually changing their band name but releasing
>>>albums all with the same title?
>>
>>The [distinctly nonthislisty] SF band Caroliner sort of do this, in that
>>they're always tweaking their name ... "Caroliner Rainbow", "Caroliner
>>Bites A Singing Pig", etc.
>
>And of course there's always Foetus and that Spizz nutter (actually, I
>think Jim "Foetus" Thirlwall qualifies as a nutter too) that do the same
>thing as Caroliner.
I was going to mention the whole Foetus Inc/Foetus Interruptus/Scraping
Foetus Off The Wheel etc thing too but obviously someone beat me to it. So
my contribution is Palace/Palace Songs/Palace Brothers. Still not what the
original question was about, though, so I guess there are no bands who
release albums with the same title but change their own name every time.
Plenty of artists who never give their albums titles, though - HoL, Peter
Gabriel (until the last two)
>in reality there's not much more reason for a 4ad one
>than a Fontana one (Catherine Wheel, Cocteau Twins, Curve [sort of])
>or a Nightshift, or a Dedicated, or a Food one.
Oh, what joy a Food list would be! We could talk about Blur and er, Jesus
Jones...
[RHP not signing with RCA]
>Since when are we all
>dying to see our favorite bands sign to a big fat evil corporate record
>label, anyway?
Especially RCA (=BMG), which is about the worst of the whole bunch. Look
what happened to the Wedding Present.
On another note:
Somewhat interesting article in the latest Guitar Player (?) about the
stupidly named and possibly not at all existent "post-rock" phenomenon,. The
angle is basically "Do you [meaning yer average rock guitar dude] have
anything to fear from bands with names like Tortoise, Laika and Pram?"
Stevie Ray, no). It also traces the origin of the genre's name: Simon
Reynolds had to combine three articles about Laika, Scorn and God into one
and invent a scene, otherwise it wouldn't get published. So that's how these
things get started...
Why is it that whenever bad things happen to the list, there's a guy named
Brian behind it?
Larry
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:20:02 -0600
Slightly thislisty:
Does anyone have *any* information about the Quay Brothers? They were
the geniuses who created HNIA's video for "Can't Go Wrong Without You". Dark,
obsessive stuff. I'm looking for filmographies, places to find their videos,
anything. I just found:
"Street of Crocodiles"
"The Cabinet of Jan Svankmajer"
"Little Songs of the Chief Officer of Hunar Louse"
and
"Rehearsal For Extinct Anatomy"
Any help will be greatly appreciated...I'm doing an academic study of their
work.
Thanks! :)
Aaron
[email protected]