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Subject: Re: ESP-Continent out now !
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:29:10 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: RHP (mbv)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 18:49:16 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:22:23 +0100
From: Grant Goodes (ggo@CSD.CRI.DK)
Subject: dreampop mailing list defunkt?
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:51:25 -0500
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Noxious renaming
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 00:06:43 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Re: 2 4AD-L Digest - 15 Jan 1996 to 16 Jan 1996
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:20:27 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: judy's addiction
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 02:07:06 -0500
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Slowdive & Mojave 3 Discographies
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:04:19 +0100
From: chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE
Subject: RHP
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 23:29:01 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: HNIAQ&A
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:16:12 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:07:00 +0100
From: "Laurent Lapierre \"P'tit Greg.\"" (lapierre@MICRONET.FR)
Subject: Re: RHP (mbv)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:18:51 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: slowdive list?
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 02:20:14 -0500
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP (mbv)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:58:10 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Maybe RHP are fucked up?
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 23:55:31 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: looking for heavenly voices III
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 03:52:02 -0500
From: Christina Johnson (br713@freenet.carleton.ca)
Subject: HNIAQ&A
Date: 18 January 1996 09:26
From: 4ad recording artists list
Subject: Re: Maybe RHP are fucked up?
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 00:18:48 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP (mbv)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 00:38:47 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Toomey/Tsunami/ESP/Latest Release Schedule
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 11:31:46 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: BUY MY CRAP
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:53:14 -0600
From: goo goo goo joob (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: yet another Best of '95 list... late but still nice
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 19:01:43 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (TooPurist@AOL.COM)
Subject: bad Canadian music aplenty
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 06:52:41 -0500
From: "The Dutchman was dressed to impress..." (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Frank Black - live/Crushed
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:54:48 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@UCSALF.AC.UK)
Subject: cocteau Videos
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 04:44:24 GMT
From: Ian McCausland (Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: Foetus, Spizz etc.
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:50:10 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Is this a new thread ??
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:35:00 GMT
From: Paul Rankine (Paul.Rankine@MAIL.SEMA.CO.UK)
Subject: digest
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:45:31 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Throwing Muses 'Limbo'
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:19:00 PST
From: Foothill High School Associated Student Body
Subject: Re: Those obnoxious digest reposts
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:04:24 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: looking for heavenly voices III
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:25:11 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Projekt chicago
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:47:55 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: ??? 4AD-L Digest ???
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 18:13:18 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Foetus, Spizz etc.
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 16:48:57 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Those obnoxious digest reposts
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:48:11 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Toomey/Tsunami/ESP/Latest Release Schedule
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:13:16 -0500
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: 5 4AD-L Digest - 16 Jan 1996 to 17 Jan 1996
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:39:32 -0800
From: Cynthia Eng (cindyeng@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Maybe RHP are fucked up?
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:46:55 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: RHP (mbv)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:23:23 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: New Member (Pixies Fan)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:20:32 -0600
From: Space Ghost Poncherello (jrcampbe@MAIL.PITTSTATE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Is this a new thread ??
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:21:30 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Mojave Whathaveya
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 16:50:03 -0500
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: New Member (Pixies Fan)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 00:48:48 +0100
From: "Laurent Lapierre \"P'tit Greg.\"" (lapierre@MICRONET.FR)
Subject: the state of 4ad/the list/and a little RHP (really long)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:21:52 -0400
From: ash (ash@dhp.com)
Subject: Re: HNIAQ&A
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 19:32:56 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: 2 4AD-L Digest - 15 Jan 1996 to 16 Jan 1996
Date: 18 Jan 96 05:28:19 -0800
From: Root (Root@crystals.aloha.or.us)

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:29:10 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: ESP-Continent out now !


>Exact! (I remember the name ESP-continent now!) I've seen it 3 days ago in
>a shop in Paris. I think the release was last week.

Yes, the release was last week.  Ian was in Paris this past weekend doing
magazine interviews with regards to this CD.

>If there is really only 800 copies, maybe it will be difficult to find in US
>I can take a few copie here for Ian/Warren addicts, but you will have to
>e mail me privatlely.

According to the folks involved, the pressing of the CD is limited to 800
copies.

>Maybe it's possible to take it trough _Time Stereo_ for less bucks.
>(this is a french released but the tape came from Time Stereo).

Time Stereo is working with Perdition Plastics in Chi-town to release the CD
stateside.  Exact same content as ESP Continent, most likely with different
song titles, very likely a different package, and a different name.

Cheers,


hk
--
hk kahng | hk@neosoft.com & farrago@delphi.com
         | http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
         | hey, look! i'm picasso!

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 18:49:16 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP (mbv)


 4AD just
>--slagged Mark off completely, so RCA backed out.  Really shitty, if you
>--ask me!
>--
>--Rick
>
>and thank you rick for posting that that many times. now we *really* know
>how shitty 4ad are. thanks for getting the point across.
J

I think enough is enough.  I cannot understand why 4AD would do such a
thing?  They are getting their money back, so why crap on Mark?  I feel it
is time to boycott all 4ad (new) products.  I know some of you feel like
RHP isn't worth it but what about other groups that may have to be under
the foot of IVO the Terrible.  IVO if you are reading this...your taste for
music of recent, stinks.
I'm listening to Mojave 3 right now as I finally was able to buy it at a
domestic price.  Good god, people...what was so incredible about this
album.  It's a poor RHP, Mazzy Star and county music rip-off.  I really
liked Slowdive's Soulvaki album...but this new effort on 4ad really falls
short from all the applause lauded on it.

If I was Mark, I figure out a way to sue the hell out of 4AD.  Dear GOD i'm
fuming and foaming at the mouth.  I think it's time to stop before I punch
a hole into my monitor.



==================================================
Communicating from the corner of 5th and Vermouth

Fred/Derf Collins

(c/o elvia@uclink3.berkley.edu)

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 00:16:35 -0800
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Date: Tue Jan 16 '96, 21:00:08
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From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Shaving the Pavement


Ayone know when and if Toronto has been scheduled
for the Lush tour?

Just wondering

Steve

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:12:53 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences




The US version of the CD features different cover pics (same style but colors
and shots vary), has a number of deleted samples, and contains 3 extra
which I believe is different from the ltd. UK version).

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 05:34:34 -0800
From: Hoa Ngo (hhngo@SFSU.EDU)
Subject: This Mortal Coil


I'm currently putting together a TMC page at:

userwww.sfsu.edu/~hhngo/tmc/This.Mortal.Coil.html

I invite you all to stop by, take a look, and PLEASE offer suggestions
for I am running out of material to add.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:11:11 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@UCSALF.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: House Of Love


Simon Hughes wrote:

> Andrew Norman wrote:
>
> >The House of Love were awesome when they
> >got it right ("Christine", "Shine On"), and abysmal when they got it
> >wrong ("Destroy the Heart").
>
More or less the only three songs I can remeber by them

> Oh but Andrew, you must know you kicking against general public opinion if
> you don't like "Destroy the Heart".  I reckon it might come top in a poll
> of people's favorite HoL tunes (certainly topped Peel's festive fifty one
> year).
>
> One of my best ever gig going experiences was HoL doing "Love in a Car" at,
> I think, the Kilburn National.  Absolutely wonderful.  For a short while,
> we were blessed with two great guitarists in Terry Bickers and John Squire.
> Look what's happened to them now.
>
I was dragged to see them at Kilburn by my ex some time ago, only
really liking a few songs and was totally amazed. A superb show.

Richard



Richard Clemens, Centre Officer
Department of Construction & Surveying
University College Salford, Salford M6 6PU, UK

"          "  Anon

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:47:48 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences


>
>I just received the Amercian promo for "A Girl Like You" (thanks Mike).
>It clearly states that the song is from the upcoming "Queer" LP. I have the
>UK
>version of this LP (limited edition with the Mama and Sucker 12"s). It
>doesn't
>have A girl like you on it. Did this appear on the American edition, or did
>4Ad
>change their minds for all editions?
>
>Chris
>Exiled in Africa
>
>

To my understanding, "A Girl Like You" was recorded after the UK release of
Queer, and seeing that they wouldn't have another full-length releasefor
quite some time, TWP decided to release it as a CD single in the Uk along
with the full-length US release which didn't come for sometime...perhaps
months... after the UK release of Queer.  As was "Angel" and "Sucker m.f.",
which is pretty kewl. (i.e. it ROX!) 

There are also many other minor differences between the US and UK versions as
well.  At first, you notice that the artwork is changed around, (i.e. the
front cover on the UK version is now the back of the insert for the US
version - and vice versa).  The sound samples in the songs vary as well.  on
"Honey Tree", at the beginning of the UK version, there is an unmistakable
sample of Depeche Mode's "Blasphemous Rumours" (6 or 7 notes me thinks) and
continues on through the song with just a 4 (?) note sample.  On the US
version, all you notice, is the 4 note sample throughout the song, which is
hard to place without hearing the 7 note intro ala the UK version.  I think
Mute didn't have a problem with TWP sampling Depeche in the UK, but when it
came to the US release, SIRE didn't appreciate it as much and they (TWP) had
to cut out the unmistakable 7 note intro.

The UK "Louis XIV" also has some different voice samples in there from the US
version.  It sounds like the lines are from a movie I've seen before, but I
can't place it.  Anyone??  The lines sampled in each song are the same, but
with different actors (or whatever).  In addition, I think "Birmingham" has
some subtle differences as well.

Bored yet?

-Blue
blubelknol@aol.com

"Know who you are at every age" - CT

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:54:48 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@UCSALF.AC.UK)
Subject: Frank Black - live/Crushed


Anyone out there seen Mr Black playing live at all recently. I keep
reading mixed reviews of the new recorded stuff, but I really want to
know what he sounds like live. I haven't seen him since the Pixies
last UK tour. Whatever your comments I have my ticket for the 31 jan
for Manchester.

Further to my note regarding the gig the local band Crushed were to
do last Friday just to report that it was a roaring success. PJ
Bells, now called Repblic[a] and with its door round the back, were
obviously impressed as Mr Bell asked them back after the sound check.
So anyone in the Manchester area is interested keep your eyes open as
they will be playing again with in a month or two at Republic[a] and
probably in March at the Roadhouse if Lobe get them a support or not.

And finally thanks to e for the birthday greetings - at least someone
out there cares!

Richard

Richard Clemens, Centre Officer
Department of Construction & Surveying
University College Salford, Salford M6 6PU, UK

"          "  Anon

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:18:42 -0500
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@DUQ2.CC.DUQ.EDU)
Subject: Re: D-uh Cocteau Format.....


> >I'm sure the answer is obvious. Blue Bell Knoll is listed as having 4
> formats viz, CD,
> >MC , LP and D. What is this D? It is the only offering in the whole
catalogue
> >having this format.

For what it's worth (speaking of formats) I saw that the recent (Fontana)
EPs (Twinlights & Otherness) are available on DCC in Germany. They're
listed in CD.Europe.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:54:24 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Bleah EPs [Re: keeping you all in mind]


Gil  mentions he has for sale:
>>BLEACH - compilation (two EPs... "Eclipse" & "Snag") - Artlos/Way Cool GER
>RAT 012 CD
> (dipping/seeing/bethesda/burning/wipe it away/decadence/crimson 'o')

I have to plug this, Bleach being old faves of mine (as those who were
here in '91-'92 can attest.) Bleach's first two EPs are excellent
noisepop with a really angry, dark edge; somewhat like early Lush crossed
with Joy Division and "Garlands". The (female) singer can do the ethereal
coo thing but also uses a scornful, ranting voice with overtones of Mark
E. Smith. "Burn" is probably my favorite -- slow pounding drums, faster
tambourine, droning strummed bass straight off of "Closer" and this mass
of flanged guitar noise, mostly not resolvable into any kind of notes,
phase-shifting in and out while Salli spits out "stupid fuck / gonna make
you burn..." A good antidote to the saccharine tendencies of too much of
the genre.

These EPs and their "Killing Time" album are definitely some of my
favorite shoegazer/dreampop/whatever stuff. Drop Gil a line and buy this
puppy!


On the other hand:
> Rose Chronicles - Shiver
The worst kind of adolescent Lush/Ride knockoff with lyrics even sappier
than Liz Fraser's recent output. Avoid like the plague. Someone needs to
do Gil a favor and take this klunker off his hands but it ain't gonna be
me.

__________
Jens Alfke  __________________
            jens@mooseyard.com
                          _______________________________________________
                         "Ten, sir," said the tensor.
                          Tension, apprehension and dissention have begun.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:11:03 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences


Blue asks:
>The UK "Louis XIV" also has some different voice samples in there from the US
>version.  It sounds like the lines are from a movie I've seen before, but I
>can't place it.  Anyone??

Supposedly from the Steve Martin film "The Man With Two Brains". That's
the answer that came up when this was asked before, but I can't confirm
as I haven't seen the film.

I think I should add stuff about "Queer" to the FAQ. Thanks for the

summary!

"Sucker MF" is an excellent remix by the way, much harder than the
original, and worth hunting down for UK TWP fans. And speaking of
remixes, I haven't heard much mention of the "Time" EP, which contains
three techno remixes of "A Question Of Time", done by the band, that are
just fabulous. As a great in-joke the first one makes good use of the
clock chime from Pink Floyd's "Time" (from "Dark Side Of the Moon".)

__________
Jens Alfke  __________________
            jens@mooseyard.com
                          _______________________________________________
                         "Ten, sir," said the tensor.
                          Tension, apprehension and dissention have begun.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:54:34 -0500
From: "J. Orr" (TheJorr@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences


from Jens Alfke---

> "Sucker MF" is an excellent remix by the way, much harder than the
original,
> and worth hunting down for UK TWP fans.

Is this the same version that's on the first _Volume_ compilation?  I believe
it is, but my copy of V1 is about 500 miles away from me at the moment.

And hello again to all the listies - I'm back, if only temporarily.

---Jeremy  formerly jeremy@gxl.woodtech.com,
                             currently putting money in Steve Case's wallet.
                             I'm sure he needs it more than I do.

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 23:32:00 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: 4AD UK Mail Order


I just recieved the Additions/deletions sheet for 4AD as well as the Mail
Order Subscription Form.

I have TWO questions :

Will 4AD send me EVERY  new stuff on CD (this being the format I prefer) from
january 96 to the date I cancel my subsciption? Does his include Cd singles?

Sorry to bother you guys but IT IS a great deal of money since I live in
Mexico.


Pepe Garcia Camil

pepegtc@halcon.laguna.ual.mx

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:27:57 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Frank Black - live/Crushed


        I saw Frank last February at the Underground in Santa Barbara.
The playing is very energetic and the volume loud, much more so than on the
albums (the volume, that is). He has a kind of contempt for the audience
that you might notice. For instance, when he first took the stage at the
show I was at, he walked right up to the mic and started mumbling
nonsense, and everyone cheered as if he were really saying something.
Another funny thing is, the "encore" consisted of only one song (Hostess
With The Mostest), then he decided that was all he was going to do, and
stalked offstage, drawing vilification from the crowd. He puts on a good
show, though.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:47:14 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Re: D-uh Cocteau Format.....


FOR YOU.
>Huite Rietveld  wrote:
> >
> > Normally the D stands for limited edition. There's not a CAD D
> > 807 listed.  I do remember reading somewhere Blue Bell Knoll LP
> > initially was released in a gatefold sleeve, though it carried
> > the same CAD 807 number.
> >
> > Can anybody confirm this? Frank?
>
>Can I be frank?

Hey buddy! Why don't you fucking knock it off! What are you trying to do,
upset the listies? Don't you understand? Attempts to be humorous only
confuse them. So just butt out and let FRANK answer the damn question.
Okay?

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:22:23 +0100
From: Grant Goodes (ggo@CSD.CRI.DK)
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences


> The UK "Louis XIV" also has some different voice samples in
> there from the US version.  It sounds like the lines are
> from a movie I've seen before, but I can't place it.
> Anyone??  The lines sampled in each song are the same, but
> with different actors (or whatever).

The movie is, of course, "The Man with Two Brains" (I
believe there's a thank-you in the credits).  Very cool
sample, and the pale imitation of the US-version samples (I
--- GIGO+ sn 457 at crystals vsn 0.99.950801
crystals

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From: LISTSERV@AMERICAN.EDU, (1:105/306.999) To : brian newman, (1:105/39.0) -- think done by the band) are what made me trade in my original US copy for a Canadian (same as UK). grant.. (TWP fanatic in hidding). ------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:53:14 -0600
From: goo goo goo joob (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: BUY MY CRAP


THIS LIST WILL ONLY BE POSTED ONCE.

srilank@aol.com, if he's still out there, gets first choice on everything
and free postage. no i'm not kidding.

help me save up for a jaguar and put my piece-of-shit washburn back in a
pawn shop where it belongs.

this post should be 72 columns/characters wide or whatever; if it looks
like crap, email me and i'll send you a different version.

--CD's that may be of interest:
--Goldie - Timeless 2cd limited edition (i paid $38 for it, now it's    $30)
--Alien Community 1 & 2 (FAXUSA) -                                      $11
--Secret Life of Trance III (RISING HIGH, 2cd, first track on CD1
--scratched) - $10
--Disco Inferno - Second Language CD5 (Rough Trade)                     $6
--The Beloved - Conscience (Atlantic)                                   $6
--V/A - Caroline Sampler Spring '93 w/revolver, walt mink, dim stars,
--snatches of pink, and drop nineteens                                  $3
--Front 242 - Official Version 1986-87 (Epic promo)                     $5
--Recoil - Faith Healer cdsingle                                        $5
--Roger Waters - Amused To Death (Columbia)                             $5
--The Smiths - "This Charming Man" CD5 (Sire promo)                     $5
--The Smiths - "This Charming Man" CD5 (Sire promo)                     $5
--XTC - Nonsuch (Geffen)                                                $5
--Gene - Sleep Well Tonight 2-track promo (Polydor)                     $3
--Gene - 5-track promo for olympian                                     $5
--Throwing Muses - Shimmer 1-song promo (4ad/WB 7566)                   $4
--The Wolfgang Press - Going South 1 song promo (4ad/WB 7497)           $4
--The Innocence Mission - Glow (promo)                                  $7
--Madder Rose - The Love You Save (promo)                               $4
--Screaming Trees - Sweet Oblivion                                      $5
--V/A - Just Say Yes Vol.V (Just Say Anything)                          $5
--Morrissey - You're the One For Me, Fatty CD5 (EMI)                    $6
--Loop Guru - Duniya (import)                                           $12
--Loop Guru - The Third Chamber (import)                                $12
--Luna - Penthouse (promo)                                              $6
--Liquorice - Listening Cap (promo)                                     $8
--Closedown - Nearfield                                                 $7
--Guided By Voices - Bee Thousand                                       $6
--V/A - Ruby Trax 3xCD (nme's 40th anniv.)              make me an offer
--
--Morrissey Singles Box Set (it's something out of 3500 or 5000; i have to
--find which box it is in to see), near mint condition, three new jewelboxes
--
--
--Velocette - Microcosmik EP (Reflective)                               $4
--Chuck Phulasole - The Jonezin EP (+8)                                 $2
--Tricky - "Ponderosa" (promo)                                          $3

--Orb - Pomme Fritz (Island)                                            $7
--V/A - Septic Cuts (Sabrettes; Sabres of P. compilation)               $5
--Loop Guru - Duniya (Nation)                                           $10
--Grid - Figure of Eight (Virgin)                                       $3
--Orbital "Are We Here?" 2x12" (ffrr)                                   $5
--Wolfgang Press - Going South (4ad/WB promo)                           $12
--La Funk Mob - "Tribulations Extra Sensorielles" 2x12" (Mo'Wax)        $10
--B12 - Electro-Soma (Warp; orange double vinyl; sleeve wear)           $15
--Sun Electric - Kitchen (R&S; limited edition with bonus 12")          $20
--4Voice - "Eternal Spirit" (FAX)                                       $10
--4Voice - "Fairlight" (FAX)                                            $10
--Escape - "Escape to Polaris" (FAX)                                    $10
--
--rolling stone magazine with belly on the cover - $3
--'cake' promo t-shirt - $5
--

--Friends of Dean Martin[ez] - The Shadow of Your Smile (Sub Pop promo;
--originally says 'martin,' not martinez)                               $4
--Number One Cup - Possum Trot Plan (Flydaddy promo)                    $4
--Duran Duran - Duran Duran (Capitol)                                   $4
--Singles OST                                                           $5
--Luscious Jackson - In Search of Manny EP (oop)                        $4
--The Colgate Thirteen - Flags                                          $3
--Mixed Company - Vertical Hold                                         $3
--Reality Bites OST                                                     $5
--Chris Whitley - Din of Ecstasy (promo)                                $5
--General Public - Rub It Better (promo)                                $3
--Spencer Lewis - Gardener's Rain                                       $3
--Viva Saturn - Brightside (promo)                                      $3
--Big Audio Dynamite - Megatop Phoenix                                  $3
--Big Audio Dynamite - No. 10 Upping Street                             $3
--Schoenberg - Chamber Music                                            $5
--Stone Temple Pilots - Core                                            $4
--Alice In Chains - Jar of Flies ep                                     $3
--Alice In Chains - Dirt                                                $5
--Just Say Yes vol. 1-4                                                 $3 each
--Clash - Story of the Clash Vol.1 (2cd)                                $10
--Moist - Silver                                                        $3
--

--also, everyone who buys something will get some kind of small gift with it.
--i have old magazines from spy to option to guitar world, cassette labels,
--empty cd cases, new pens and pencils i probably wouldn't use until i was
--40, basically things i have too much of that people could either use or
--look at, smirk, and throw away. i feel like being silly like that.
--anyway, have a smurfy day,
--.j.

joroses@mail.utexas.edu                http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~joanna
andover '94
-
Syndicated columnist Dave Barry says that "those weird string of letters
that have started showing up everywhere in newspaper stories,
advertisements, TV shows, etc., the ones that look like
http//www/clamsucker.doo.wah"  are "code instructions to Dan Rather from
his home planet."

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:55:08 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Where is the archive?


Is 4AD-L continuing to be archived?  I no longer recall the address of
the former remailer, and nothing is available at ftp.american.edu.

Any help would be appreciated.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 00:13:05 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Message for Huite Rietveld only!!


Huite,

Ik ben je adres kwijt dus doe ik het zo maar even. Ik heb een vraag over een

Wim Mertens promo CD, en aangezien hij op Crepuscule zit en jullie dat label
ook distribueren in Nederland, kun je me misschien verder helpen (of mooier
nog eraan helpen). Ik heb Joelle Dagry van Crepuscule in Brussel gebeld,
maar die bleek niets van deze promo te weten. Misschien is het meer een PIAS
promotie 'device' en niet zozeer een Crepuscule CD.

Het gaat om een promo CD voor 'Gave van Niets', de 10-CD set die november
vorig jaar is gereleased. Nu heb ik deze info alleen van via via maar er
schijnt een promo CD the zijn (TWI 1003P ??) met daarop excerpts van die 10
CD's. Ik neem aan dat hij is gemaakt omdat het een beetje kostbaar wordt om
10 CDsets naar recensenten ed. te zenden. Ik weet niet, ik gok maar.

In ieder geval: weet jij iets van deze CD? En, als jullie er nog 1 hebben
rondzwerven, zou ik daar dan voor in aanmerking kunnen komen? Eventuele
kosten vergoed ik, dat spreekt van zelf.

Bij voorbaat dank voor je hulp.

Frank Brinkhuis
++++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++++

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:56:57 -0500
From: "The Dutchman was dressed to impress..." (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: HoL HoL HoL all the time 'til you puke


>BTW, the official reason for the break up was that Pete Evans,
>the drummer was leaving the music biz.  I still haven't heard anything
>from Guy's project "The Madonnas".

I read a none-too-enthusiastic live review that described them as HoL gone
AOR (but then the British music press were pretty down on Chadwick and co
towards the end anyway). No releases as far as I know.

>House of Love - self/titled Creation album
>                (w/original Shine On, Christine, Love In A Car)
>
>                Great indie pop!  Lots of youth and emotion, and
>                some great songwriting.  Nice 2nd guitar from
>                Terry Bickers.           ^^^^

Nice, yet occasionally nicely insane (as on "Hope" and "Touch Me")

>House of Love - self-titled (Creation singles compilation)-German only release
>                (w/early Creation singles/b-sides, 2 unreleased songs)
>
>                Less polished indie pop, but still great.  This
>                has the two "lost" b-sides from what was intended to
>                be their 5th Creation single "Safe", but was later
>                shelved.

"Safe" later turned up on "A Spy...", btw

8House of Love - self-titled (Babe Rainbow cover)
>                (w/Feel, Crush Me)
>
>                This one is as highly produced as the Butterfly album,
>                but they went for a more organic, 60's-retro feel.
>                Overall the songs are quite good, but some are a
>                bit overindulgent.
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes. They're all quite long songs, sometimes too much so (e.g. "Cruel" which
goes on forever in George Harrison mode). But the segues are nice. "Wildly
ambitious" would be a good overall description.

>House of Love - Audience with the Mind
>
>                Supposedly recorded in 3 weeks, like their debut
>                album.  It features the main trio of Guy, Chris
>                and Pete Evans with an occasional guest guitarist.
>                I believe this album was knocked out quickly to
>                fulfill their commitment to Fontana, and it shows.
>                Also has a song sung by Chris (the bass player) which
>                is not very good.

Actually, *two* by Chris, and they're not exactly terrible either. But
perhaps they were an indication that Guy was reaching a creative low ebb (as
well as new heights in the iffy lyrics department).

Basically, buy whatever you can get your hands on, concentrating on the
earlier stuff. Some of the singles from Babe Rainbow are worth tracking down
too (good b-sides, interesting cover versions).

Larry, perennial bringer-upper of HoL

on now: Cluster II

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:44:26 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: harmony rockets... some cranes(no 4ad)



hello,

i've been desperately looking for a cd by harmony rockets.  for those that did
not know and may be interested, harmony rockets and mercury rev are the same
band.  they released their only disc a few months ago, and for some reason it
has already been deleted.  can anyone help me find two copies of this disc?
i'll send cash or trade.  one thing that may be of interest to cranes fans is a
promotional only, limited to 2000 copies cd single for 'tomorrow's tears'.
i had never seen this before, but a guy at their label, bmg, sent it to me a
few months back.  he said it was fairly rare.  i can't remember the b-sides,
but there are three of them and an interview.  i'm happy to part with it for a
copy of the harmony rockets.

thanks,
alan
alan@msai.mea.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:04:28 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Lilys "In The Presence Of Nothing"


A few months back I recall mention of the Lilys' essential album "In The
Presence Of Nothing" being out of print. I was just checking Parasol's
web page and their December 16th update claims they have it back in
stock. You can reach them at:


or


for the update itself. The description reads:

Lilys  In The Presence Of Nothing  PS, US Beautiful release from 1992
back in stock. MBV fans who haven't heard this one should check it out.
Slumberland-20  CD  14.25

Buy buy buy! A shoegazer classic, much in the MBV vein but with its own
distinct sound.

__________
Jens Alfke  __________________
            jens@mooseyard.com
                          _______________________________________________
                         "Ten, sir," said the tensor.
                          Tension, apprehension and dissention have begun.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:17:03 -0500
From: "J. Orr" (TheJorr@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: ...some cranes(no 4ad)


---from alan:

> one thing that may be of interest to cranes fans is a promotional
> only, limited to 2000 copies cd single for 'tomorrow's tears'.  i had
> never seen this before, but a guy at their label, bmg, sent it to me
> a few months back.  he said it was fairly rare.  i can't remember
> the b-sides, but there are three of them and an interview.

I saw this disc used once in Dallas, and the b-sides are the same as those on
the Dedicated version of the EP: "Casa Blanca", "Sixth of May" (same as on
_Wings_of_Joy_), and "Dreamless".  "Casa Blanca" is a great song, one of my
favorites by them.  "Dreamless" is one of their more atonal pieces, but still
pretty good.

---Jeremy  "Who's he?  Is he famous?"
                            "I don't know...he's on TV, isn't he?"

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:51:25 -0500
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: dreampop mailing list defunkt?



Anyone know what happened to the dreampop mailing list?
The one hosted by netcom.com?

I'm willing to take it over, and if I'm not mistaken
the list owner is subbed to 4AD as well....

If you are or you know the list owner,
--- GIGO+ sn 457 at crystals vsn 0.99.950801
crystals


Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 00:06:43 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Noxious renaming


Einexile asked meekly:

>Whatever. The art is indeed very nice, the band name...is irritating. Has
>anyone ever tried continually changing their band name but releasing
>albums all with the same title?

See the System 7 biography.
In US, their first album was listed as 777 by 777, and their second
album (released UK only) was 777 by System 7.  Steve Hillage had planned
for the US release of this to be System 7 by 777, but no distributor
snagged it.  Their 5th album to be released in the UK only in march is
to be entitled "The power of 7".  Everything by them, with the exception
of their first album, is excellent Goa-esque trance, which makes the
name swicharoos only more annoying.

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:20:27 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: 2 4AD-L Digest - 15 Jan 1996 to 16 Jan 1996


        This is the wrong list to have this happen to--none of the owners
answer their e-mail, let alone read postings from it!!! Oh, except Lars, I
guess.

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 02:07:06 -0500
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: judy's addiction


Darby wrote:
So what's the goss.  Are there more songs with Tanya?  How did they
meet?  What is the song _about_?
------------------


Not sure how CW met Donnelly; in the studio where they
recorded their last album I think.

-B
=====================================================
                                    Brendon Macaraeg
               http://www.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~brendonm
   "Paranoia is often an extreme hightened awareness"

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:04:19 +0100
From: chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE
Subject: Slowdive & Mojave 3 Discographies


Just wanted to say that the Discographies for both _Slowdive_ and _Mojave 3_
in their latest versions (0.1 for Mojave and 1.9 for Slowdive, both updated
on January 17th, 1996) are now available on the WWW.

       Slowdive - http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/slowdive.html
       Mojave 3 - http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/mojave3.html

  (there are links to these pages from the Slowdive & Mojave Mailing List
   Digest page - http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/avalyn.html - as well.)

 Of course they're also available in ASCII format, though at the moment
only by letting me know through email that you want them. That is -
email me (chief@lysator.liu.se) with requests, and you'll have the
info in your mailbox ASAP.

 Time to hit the sack,
  //Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se)


Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 23:29:01 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: RHP


I was very dissapointed to hear Rick's news reagrding 4AD bashing Mark and
the group. But, I remain faithful that they'll get their due-SOON! Ivo will
be kicking himself to nowhere, FAST. It's also funny that Rick should bring
this up as I got a reply from Island Records today regarding my question as
to whether or not they'd be signing RHP. His response was, "Wish we had."
So, as someone  here suggested, RHP will eventually be signed (on their own
terms). After hearing many of the new tunes, I, for one, cannot wait.

El

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:16:12 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: HNIAQ&A


Okay.  So living up to my completist ideology, I need to get Mouth by Mouth
on cd so I can get the extra song on it (currently I only have it on lp).
Does anyone know if the US Warner version has that track (I believe it's
"The Last Waltz") or if it's only on the UK 4AD version?

Thankya much,
Jake

Best $6.00 I ever spent.

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:07:00 +0100
From: "Laurent Lapierre \"P'tit Greg.\"" (lapierre@MICRONET.FR)
Subject: Re: ESP


>> Also, is the collaboration between Ian Masters and Warren Defever,
>> Esp Summer, going to be a 4AD release???
>
>        Probably not. They passed on the option of releasing it earlier.

Definitly not, as I've seen the CD released here in Paris. Not the same
name (ESP-xxxx???), with I think a french small label adress, along with a
_Time
Stereo_ mention in the booklet.

I will send the name of the label as soon as possible... don't know if this
CD has been released in US, but at least Time Stereo should have an idea!

>>>->-->---> L a u r e n t   L a p i e r r e   "P'tit Greg." <---<--<-<<<
mail : lapierre@micronet.fr             http://Is.coming.soon/I.hope.html

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:18:51 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP (mbv)


On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:

>  4AD just
> >--slagged Mark off completely, so RCA backed out.  Really shitty, if you
> >--ask me!
> >--
> >--Rick
> >
> >and thank you rick for posting that that many times. now we *really* know
> >how shitty 4ad are. thanks for getting the point across.
> J
>
> I think enough is enough.  I cannot understand why 4AD would do such a
> thing?  They are getting their money back, so why crap on Mark?  I feel it
> is time to boycott all 4ad (new) products.  I know some of you feel like
> RHP isn't worth it but what about other groups that may have to be under
> the foot of IVO the Terrible.  IVO if you are reading this...your taste for
> music of recent, stinks.
> I'm listening to Mojave 3 right now as I finally was able to buy it at a
> domestic price.  Good god, people...what was so incredible about this
> album.  It's a poor RHP, Mazzy Star and county music rip-off.  I really
> liked Slowdive's Soulvaki album...but this new effort on 4ad really falls
> short from all the applause lauded on it.

Uh-huh, Yep, Yes, Concur, Affirmative.

> If I was Mark, I figure out a way to sue the hell out of 4AD.

Well, the bright side is that RCA isn't the only label to have offered a
contract to RHP. So if they want to back out because of 4AD's crap, fuck
'em; it's their loss. I just hope Mark doesn't do something drastic, like
stop recording music because people are treating him like shit.

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 02:20:14 -0500
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: slowdive list?



I have to echo someone else's remarks
about the absurdity of starting a Slowdive list.
Granted, I love their stuff too, but they
are on 4AD now...what's the list needed for
except to distribute the discography now
and then? Hurmmmm......unless you
could persuade the band to make it the
Offical Band Mailing list or something...
Otherwise I don't see much more utility in
having a separate list.

My 2 CPU cycles.

4AD LIST ADMIN TAKE NOTE:
Also , my digest today was scrambled up
and I'm positive some of the post
were part of the previous day's digest/postings.

-B

=====================================================
                                    Brendon Macaraeg
               http://www.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~brendonm
   "Paranoia is often an extreme hightened awareness"

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:58:10 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP (mbv)


Fred/Derf Collins foamed:

>I think enough is enough.  I cannot understand why 4AD would do such a
>thing?  They are getting their money back, so why crap on Mark?  I feel
>it is time to boycott all 4ad (new) products.

Umm...  You are suggesting that a) we all take action based on a rumor? and
b) that all 400 or so of us boycotting 4AD or 4AD/Warner would accomplish
anything?  *If* Ivo/4AD is that big of a jerk/meglomaniac, do you think
he'd really give a rat's ass about our opinion?  Besides, if all the bands
you/we like are mistreated and leave 4AD, a boycott of new products is a
moot point.

>If I was Mark, I figure out a way to sue the hell out of 4AD.  Dear GOD
>i'm fuming and foaming at the mouth.  I think it's time to stop before I
>punch a hole into my monitor.

Whoa, boy!  Not much point getting too upset anyway, all good things must
come to an end.

>I'm listening to Mojave 3 right now as I finally was able to buy it at a
>domestic price.  Good god, people...what was so incredible about this
>album.  It's a poor RHP, Mazzy Star and county music rip-off.  I really
>liked Slowdive's Soulvaki album...but this new effort on 4ad really falls
>short from all the applause lauded on it.

I'll have to kindly disagree with you here, Derf.  I (warning to some of you
out there, this personal pronoun indicates I'm about to state a personal
opinion) think that "ask me tomorrow" shares little with MS and RHP other
than it's sparse arrangement and melancholy tone (ok, maybe that's more than
a little).  It actually sounds less "country" (in the traditional
sense) than I thought it would.  To me, this sounds like Slowdive; which is
a good thing.  Songs such as "sarah" remind me of Pygmallion.  Sure, the
songs on "ask me tomorrow" follow more traditional song structure (less
linear than "Pygmallion") and there are less guitar effects and piano is
added, but this seems almost like a natural progression from Pygmallion.
Someone compared this album to Dagger from Souvlaki, and I don't think thats
to far off the mark.  Of all the 4AD releases last year, I say this is
easily my fave, followed by Lisa Gerrard.  I can't see being disappointed
in "ask me tomorrow" if you like Slowdive (IMHO,your mileage may vary).

Martin
mahoyt@uci.edu


Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 23:55:31 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Maybe RHP are fucked up?


On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Rick Stone wrote:

> I just heard the most fucked-up thing this morning.
>
> Someone posted a note here saying that they heard that RHP signed to RCA
> and the album would be out this spring.  I mentioned that to a friend of
> mine who told me that he heard that RCA had an offer on the table (which
> would have paid 4AD back for the money THEY spend on this new album, by
> the way), and they called 4AD to find out the 'poop' on Mark and 4AD just
> slagged Mark off completely, so RCA backed out.  Really shitty, if you
> ask me!

Doesn't this depend on whether or not they were right?

Funny how no one ever bothers to consider this sort of thing anymore. You
are outraged at the murder of the Tutsis and then pray for the starving
Hutus. You silly, silly people.

The thing is, it's gotten around that Mark is kind of an asshole. No, I'm
serious! I really heard this! :)


 einexile, pro-hutu *and* pro-tutsi! isn't that convenient??

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 03:52:02 -0500
From: Christina Johnson (br713@freenet.carleton.ca)
Subject: looking for heavenly voices III


does anyone know how i can get a copy of heavenly voices III?  is it
offered in the new projekt catalogue?  i wrote away for one ages ago, but
still no reply.  i live in canada in a conservative city called Ottawa, so
i expect i have to mail-order HV III from somewhere, but i don't know
where (got I and II from projekt, so i'm guessing...)

thanks.

Christina


--
                          | Christine, the strawberry girl   "Christine"
    Christina Johnson     | Christine, banana split lady      [Siouxsie
br713@freenet.carleton.ca | Christine, the strawberry girl      & the
                          | Christine, sees her faces unfurl  Banshees]

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:36:00 +0000
From: Nick Hill (NHill@MSMAIL.CSL.GPT.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: HNIAQ&A


Only the UK version I'm afraid.  It's still available via 4AD mail order
though.

Nick
 ----------
From: 4ad recording artists list
Subject: HNIAQ&A

Date: 18 January 1996 09:26 Okay. So living up to my completist ideology, I need to get Mouth by Mouth on cd so I can get the extra song on it (currently I only have it on lp). Does anyone know if the US Warner version has that track (I believe it's "The Last Waltz") or if it's only on the UK 4AD version? Thankya much, Jake Best $6.00 I ever spent.

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 00:18:48 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Maybe RHP are fucked up?


Einexile wrote:
>
>The thing is, it's gotten around that Mark is kind of an asshole. No, I'm
>serious! I really heard this! :)
>

Hmmm, really? Where? It's funny because I hear this from people and I
wonder if they're referring to 'Ocean Beach' where someone (here) thought
Mark was an asshole because before one of his songs, they thought
(incorrectly) that Mark said something to the effect of, "can you guys play
something that slightly resembles a tune?!" BUT, if you really knew which
voice was which, it's not Mark. He's the second voice that  says, "Come on
guys. Let's go." Anyway, sometimes I wonder... Also, I think that Mark,
during concerts, tends to say things that don't come out right because he's
always SO nervous (although, you really wouldn't know it). I've chatted
with him a few times and he's been very gracious and goofy, IMHO.


No, he's not your typical rock dude but I have a lot of respect for someone
who believes in their music and had the guts enough  to tell someone like
4AD where to go with *their* ideas. I don't know how many would have been
as strong.

But, then again, who am I but a devout fan...

El


Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 00:38:47 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: RHP (mbv)


On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:

> >--slagged Mark off completely, so RCA backed out.  Really shitty, if you
> >--ask me!

> >and thank you rick for posting that that many times. now we *really* know
> >how shitty 4ad are. thanks for getting the point across.
> J

> I think enough is enough.  I cannot understand why 4AD would do such a
> thing?  They are getting their money back, so why crap on Mark?

Maybe RCA was interested in 4AD's reasons for dumping the band and 4AD
gave them an honest answer? Wow! It happens, though. Better yet, maybe
4AD have some respect and good feelings for their fellow record labels
and aren't above saving them from bad decisions. Since when are we all
dying to see our favorite bands sign to a big fat evil corporate record
label, anyway?

> I feel it is time to boycott all 4ad (new) products.

Pray tell, what does that feel like? I feel you are wrong.

> I know some of you feel like
> RHP isn't worth it but what about other groups that may have to be under
> the foot of IVO the Terrible.

As if he has so harmed them and done them such tremendous evil by not
putting out their records!

> I'm listening to Mojave 3 right now as I finally was able to buy it at a
> domestic price.  Good god, people...what was so incredible about this
> album.  It's a poor RHP, Mazzy Star and county music rip-off.

Doesn't that make RHP a Mazzy ripoff? I wonder why you like *any* of
these people if you can't detect the differences between easily enough to
appreciate all three (and detect the mountains of shit on either side of
Summer Dress).

> If I was Mark, I figure out a way to sue the hell out of 4AD.

I seriously doubt it. Maybe RCA should sign them and then sue the hell
out of you when the arrangement turns sour?

> Dear GOD i'm fuming and foaming at the mouth.

This comes as something less than a surprise.

> I think it's time to stop before I punch a hole into my monitor.

No, please, go on.


 e


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From: LISTSERV@AMERICAN.EDU, (1:105/306.999) To : brian newman, (1:105/39.0) -- 13.HARMONY ROCKETS - Paralyzed Mind of the Archangel Void 14.HAIR & SKIN TRADING CO. - Psychedeliche Musique 15.BOWERY ELECTRIC - Bowery Electric 16.AFTER THE FLOOD - After the Flood 17.SUFI - Life's Rising 18.LOREN MAZZACANE - 9th Avenue 19.MEDUSA CYCLONE - Medusa Cyclone 20.BARDO POND - Big Laughing Jym ~~~ "Why Do You Think they Stopped Calling it Pop?" ~~~ 1.SCOTT WALKER - Tilt 2.SWERVEDRIVER - Ejector Seat Reservation 3.LORELEI - Everyone Must Touch the Stove 4.LONG FIN KILLIE - Houdini 5.MERCURY REV - See You on the Other Side 6.HELIUM - Dirt of Luck 7.MOVIETONE - Movietone 8.BUGSKULL - Phantasies and Senseitions / Crock (sndtrk) 9.BOO RADLEYS - Wake Up! 10(tie.) PRAM - Sargasso Sea / WITCH HAZEL - Landlocked ~~~ Nice/Normal Guys Sometimes Finish First ~~~ 1.FOR AGAINST - Mason's California Lunch Room 2.DART - 36 Cents an Hour 3.BAY - Alison-Rae 4.THE ROPERS - All the Time 5.RED HOUSE PAINTERS - Ocean Beach ~~~ EPs: ~~~ 1.GASTR DEL SOL - Harp Factory on Lake St. 2.STEREOLAB - Music For the Amorphous Body Study Center 3.QUICKSPACE SUPERSPORT - Superplus! 4.shiFt - A Folding Sieve 5.SWERVEDRIVER - Last Day on Earth 6.BOO RADLEYS - Find the Answer Within 1,2 7.BUTTERFLY CHILD - Flaming Burlesque 8.FLYING SAUCER ATTACK - Outdoor Miner 9.DOLDRUMS - Secret Life of Machines 10.ICE - Project: Quarantine (remixes) 11.COCTEAU TWINS - Twinlights ~~~ Compilations and reissues ~~~ DISCO INFERNO - In Debt EGGS - How Do You Like Your Lobster? CHAMELEONS - What does Anything Mean Basically CHAMELEONS - Script of the Bridge CINdYTALK - Camouflage Heart ------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 01:04:08 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: This Rimy River Ltd. delay/V23 Exh.


>Received a mailing from 4AD mailorder saying that:
>
>Publication date for the 'This Runy River' ltd. edition now is sometime in
>March.
>The cover of the book wil be "3mm clear acrylic giving the appearance of
>glass, bound with an orange leather spine. The slipcase is dark blue suede
>with a silver foil blockage design".



Yeah... but despite extra costs the mail-order price remains at =A3150.00!

Happy Happy Happy, Joy Joy Joy!

?




Emiel Efdee

the Netherlands, January 18, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:38:28 +0300
From: "Igor V. Vaganoff" (igo@DONWAVE.RND.SU)
Subject: subscribe


I would like to subscribe to the 4 AD mailing list.
Thank you.

igo@donwave.rnd.su
*******************************************************************************

Igor Vaganov                     "Oh, you can't help that, we're all mad here"
-
ACHTUNG BABY!                                                    Lewis Caroll
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 01:44:31 +0100
From: Matthias Walzner (umw17@RZSERV2.FH-LUENEBURG.DE)
Subject: Cocteau Twins DAT


>'D' is indeed a code for DAT and not for DCC. 4AD never issued a DCC, at
>least not in the UK, maybe in Japan(??).
>The reason they use a 'D' in the catalogue and not 'DAT' is a very practical
>one I think: DAT wouldn't in that little circle they use to indicate the
>formats! By the way, the 'D' can't be found in the pricelist. I suppose they
>are free :)
>
>And yes, the 'Blue Bell Knoll' LP initially was released in a gatefold
>sleeve. Cat.# CAD 807. No extra 'D's or whatever.
>
>Frank

...there is a price for the DAT-Tape GBP 10.00.
You can find it on the last Correction/Deletion/Addition list.
The catalogue number though is again wrong on this list: CAD T 807C D

Matthias.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 08:43:30 -0600
From: goo goo goo joob (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP (mbv)


tito (not the man) scribblied:
--I just heard the most fucked-up thing this morning.
--
--Someone posted a note here saying that they heard that RHP signed to RCA
--and the album would be out this spring.  I mentioned that to a friend of
--mine who told me that he heard that RCA had an offer on the table (which

--would have paid 4AD back for the money THEY spend on this new album, by
--the way), and they called 4AD to find out the 'poop' on Mark and 4AD just
--slagged Mark off completely, so RCA backed out.  Really shitty, if you
--ask me!
--
--Rick

and thank you rick for posting that that many times. now we *really* know
how shitty 4ad are. thanks for getting the point across.
.j.

an upcoming tvt/warp comp. end of january. new tracks. techno tracks. has
anyone else heard anything about this?!? they heard about it in that good
ole' rag melody maker. if some kind uk listie could read their rags this
week and let us know, i think it would be much appreciated. thanks! :)

joroses@mail.utexas.edu                http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~joanna
andover '94
-
Syndicated columnist Dave Barry says that "those weird string of letters
that have started showing up everywhere in newspaper stories,
advertisements, TV shows, etc., the ones that look like
http//www/clamsucker.doo.wah"  are "code instructions to Dan Rather from
his home planet."

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:29:10 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: ESP-Continent out now !


>Exact! (I remember the name ESP-continent now!) I've seen it 3 days ago in
>a shop in Paris. I think the release was last week.

Yes, the release was last week.  Ian was in Paris this past weekend doing
magazine interviews with regards to this CD.

>If there is really only 800 copies, maybe it will be difficult to find in US
>I can take a few copie here for Ian/Warren addicts, but you will have to
>e mail me privatlely.

According to the folks involved, the pressing of the CD is limited to 800
copies.

>Maybe it's possible to take it trough _Time Stereo_ for less bucks.
>(this is a french released but the tape came from Time Stereo).

Time Stereo is working with Perdition Plastics in Chi-town to release the CD
stateside.  Exact same content as ESP Continent, most likely with different
song titles, very likely a different package, and a different name.

Cheers,


hk
--
hk kahng | hk@neosoft.com & farrago@delphi.com
         | http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
         | hey, look! i'm picasso!

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 01:47:47 -0600
From: Kagin Lee (klee1@TIGER.LSU.EDU)
Subject: Very Pleasant Neighbor


Gil Gershman  wrote:

> The opening band, Very Pleasant Neighbor,
> were worth keeping an eye on as well:quality moody noise pop in an MBV/Helium
> vein.

What records do they have out?  I really like this band, they sometimes
 remind me of the Dog Faced Hermans, and sometimes they sound like Babe
 the Blue Ox.  Sometimes like Pram, perhaps?  Anyway, ever since i lost
 contact with civilization i haven't heard anything from these folks.
 What am i missing, and where can i get 'em?

kagin

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 18:49:16 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP (mbv)


 4AD just
>--slagged Mark off completely, so RCA backed out.  Really shitty, if you
>--ask me!
>--
>--Rick
>
>and thank you rick for posting that that many times. now we *really* know
>how shitty 4ad are. thanks for getting the point across.
J

I think enough is enough.  I cannot understand why 4AD would do such a
thing?  They are getting their money back, so why crap on Mark?  I feel it
is time to boycott all 4ad (new) products.  I know some of you feel like
RHP isn't worth it but what about other groups that may have to be under
the foot of IVO the Terrible.  IVO if you are reading this...your taste for
music of recent, stinks.
I'm listening to Mojave 3 right now as I finally was able to buy it at a
domestic price.  Good god, people...what was so incredible about this
album.  It's a poor RHP, Mazzy Star and county music rip-off.  I really
liked Slowdive's Soulvaki album...but this new effort on 4ad really falls

short from all the applause lauded on it.

If I was Mark, I figure out a way to sue the hell out of 4AD.  Dear GOD i'm
fuming and foaming at the mouth.  I think it's time to stop before I punch
a hole into my monitor.



==================================================
Communicating from the corner of 5th and Vermouth

Fred/Derf Collins

(c/o elvia@uclink3.berkley.edu)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 11:31:46 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Toomey/Tsunami/ESP/Latest Release Schedule


        Is _Lovelife_ to be the name of the new Lush LP, then?

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Date: Wed Jan 17 '96, 21:02:40
From: LISTSERV@AMERICAN.EDU, (1:105/306.999) To : brian newman, (1:105/39.0) -- do last Friday just to report that it was a roaring success. PJ Bells, now called Repblic[a] and with its door round the back, were obviously impressed as Mr Bell asked them back after the sound check. So anyone in the Manchester area is interested keep your eyes open as they will be playing again with in a month or two at Republic[a] and probably in March at the Roadhouse if Lobe get them a support or not. And finally thanks to e for the birthday greetings - at least someone out there cares! Richard Richard Clemens, Centre Officer Department of Construction & Surveying University College Salford, Salford M6 6PU, UK " " Anon -----------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:18:42 -0500
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@DUQ2.CC.DUQ.EDU)
Subject: Re: D-uh Cocteau Format.....


> >I'm sure the answer is obvious. Blue Bell Knoll is listed as having 4
> formats viz, CD,
> >MC , LP and D. What is this D? It is the only offering in the whole
catalogue
> >having this format.

For what it's worth (speaking of formats) I saw that the recent (Fontana)
EPs (Twinlights & Otherness) are available on DCC in Germany. They're
listed in CD.Europe.

 -----------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:54:24 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Bleah EPs [Re: keeping you all in mind]


Gil  mentions he has for sale:
>>BLEACH - compilation (two EPs... "Eclipse" & "Snag") - Artlos/Way Cool GER
>RAT 012 CD
> (dipping/seeing/bethesda/burning/wipe it away/decadence/crimson 'o')

I have to plug this, Bleach being old faves of mine (as those who were
here in '91-'92 can attest.) Bleach's first two EPs are excellent
noisepop with a really angry, dark edge; somewhat like early Lush crossed
with Joy Division and "Garlands". The (female) singer can do the ethereal
coo thing but also uses a scornful, ranting voice with overtones of Mark
E. Smith. "Burn" is probably my favorite -- slow pounding drums, faster
tambourine, droning strummed bass straight off of "Closer" and this mass
of flanged guitar noise, mostly not resolvable into any kind of notes,
phase-shifting in and out while Salli spits out "stupid fuck / gonna make
you burn..." A good antidote to the saccharine tendencies of too much of
the genre.

These EPs and their "Killing Time" album are definitely some of my
favorite shoegazer/dreampop/whatever stuff. Drop Gil a line and buy this
puppy!


On the other hand:
> Rose Chronicles - Shiver
The worst kind of adolescent Lush/Ride knockoff with lyrics even sappier
than Liz Fraser's recent output. Avoid like the plague. Someone needs to
do Gil a favor and take this klunker off his hands but it ain't gonna be
me.

__________
Jens Alfke  __________________
            jens@mooseyard.com
                          _______________________________________________
                         "Ten, sir," said the tensor.
                          Tension, apprehension and dissention have begun.

 -----------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:11:03 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences


Blue asks:
>The UK "Louis XIV" also has some different voice samples in there from the US

>version.  It sounds like the lines are from a movie I've seen before, but I
>can't place it.  Anyone??

Supposedly from the Steve Martin film "The Man With Two Brains". That's
the answer that came up when this was asked before, but I can't confirm
as I haven't seen the film.

I think I should add stuff about "Queer" to the FAQ. Thanks for the

summary!

"Sucker MF" is an excellent remix by the way, much harder than the
original, and worth hunting down for UK TWP fans. And speaking of
remixes, I haven't heard much mention of the "Time" EP, which contains
three techno remixes of "A Question Of Time", done by the band, that are
just fabulous. As a great in-joke the first one makes good use of the
clock chime from Pink Floyd's "Time" (from "Dark Side Of the Moon".)

__________
Jens Alfke  __________________
            jens@mooseyard.com
                          _______________________________________________
                         "Ten, sir," said the tensor.
                          Tension, apprehension and dissention have begun.

 -----------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:54:34 -0500
From: "J. Orr" (TheJorr@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences


from Jens Alfke---

> "Sucker MF" is an excellent remix by the way, much harder than the
original,
> and worth hunting down for UK TWP fans.

Is this the same version that's on the first _Volume_ compilation?  I believe
it is, but my copy of V1 is about 500 miles away from me at the moment.

And hello again to all the listies - I'm back, if only temporarily.

---Jeremy  formerly jeremy@gxl.woodtech.com,
                             currently putting money in Steve Case's wallet.
                             I'm sure he needs it more than I do.

 -----------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 23:32:00 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: 4AD UK Mail Order


I just recieved the Additions/deletions sheet for 4AD as well as the Mail
Order Subscription Form.

I have TWO questions :

Will 4AD send me EVERY  new stuff on CD (this being the format I prefer) from
january 96 to the date I cancel my subsciption? Does his include Cd singles?

Sorry to bother you guys but IT IS a great deal of money since I live in
Mexico.


Pepe Garcia Camil

pepegtc@halcon.laguna.ual.mx

 -----------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:27:57 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Frank Black - live/Crushed


        I saw Frank last February at the Underground in Santa Barbara.
The playing is very energetic and the volume loud, much more so than on the
albums (the volume, that is). He has a kind of contempt for the audience
that you might notice. For instance, when he first took the stage at the
show I was at, he walked right up to the mic and started mumbling
nonsense, and everyone cheered as if he were really saying something.
Another funny thing is, the "encore" consisted of only one song (Hostess
With The Mostest), then he decided that was all he was going to do, and
stalked offstage, drawing vilification from the crowd. He puts on a good
show, though.

 -----------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:47:14 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Re: D-uh Cocteau Format.....


FOR YOU.
>Huite Rietveld  wrote:
> >
> > Normally the D stands for limited edition. There's not a CAD D
> > 807 listed.  I do remember reading somewhere Blue Bell Knoll LP
> > initially was released in a gatefold sleeve, though it carried
> > the same CAD 807 number.
> >
> > Can anybody confirm this? Frank?
>
>Can I be frank?

Hey buddy! Why don't you fucking knock it off! What are you trying to do,
upset the listies? Don't you understand? Attempts to be humorous only
confuse them. So just butt out and let FRANK answer the damn question.
Okay?

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:22:23 +0100
From: Grant Goodes (ggo@CSD.CRI.DK)
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences


> The UK "Louis XIV" also has some different voice samples in
> there from the US version.  It sounds like the lines are
> from a movie I've seen before, but I can't place it.
> Anyone??  The lines sampled in each song are the same, but
> with different actors (or whatever).

The movie is, of course, "The Man with Two Brains" (I
believe there's a thank-you in the credits).  Very cool
sample, and the pale imitation of the US-version samples (I
crystals

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From: LISTSERV@AMERICAN.EDU, (1:105/306.999) To : brian newman, (1:105/39.0) -- think done by the band) are what made me trade in my original US copy for a Canadian (same as UK). grant.. (TWP fanatic in hidding). -----------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:53:14 -0600
From: goo goo goo joob (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: BUY MY CRAP


THIS LIST WILL ONLY BE POSTED ONCE.

srilank@aol.com, if he's still out there, gets first choice on everything
and free postage. no i'm not kidding.

help me save up for a jaguar and put my piece-of-shit washburn back in a
pawn shop where it belongs.

this post should be 72 columns/characters wide or whatever; if it looks
like crap, email me and i'll send you a different version.

--CD's that may be of interest:
--Goldie - Timeless 2cd limited edition (i paid $38 for it, now it's    $30)
--Alien Community 1 & 2 (FAXUSA) -                                      $11
--Secret Life of Trance III (RISING HIGH, 2cd, first track on CD1
--scratched) - $10
--Disco Inferno - Second Language CD5 (Rough Trade)                     $6
--The Beloved - Conscience (Atlantic)                                   $6
--V/A - Caroline Sampler Spring '93 w/revolver, walt mink, dim stars,
--snatches of pink, and drop nineteens                                  $3
--Front 242 - Official Version 1986-87 (Epic promo)                     $5
--Recoil - Faith Healer cdsingle                                        $5
--Roger Waters - Amused To Death (Columbia)                             $5
--The Smiths - "This Charming Man" CD5 (Sire promo)                     $5
--The Smiths - "This Charming Man" CD5 (Sire promo)                     $5
--XTC - Nonsuch (Geffen)                                                $5
--Gene - Sleep Well Tonight 2-track promo (Polydor)                     $3
--Gene - 5-track promo for olympian                                     $5
--Throwing Muses - Shimmer 1-song promo (4ad/WB 7566)                   $4

--The Wolfgang Press - Going South 1 song promo (4ad/WB 7497)           $4
--The Innocence Mission - Glow (promo)                                  $7
--Madder Rose - The Love You Save (promo)                               $4
--Screaming Trees - Sweet Oblivion                                      $5
--V/A - Just Say Yes Vol.V (Just Say Anything)                          $5
--Morrissey - You're the One For Me, Fatty CD5 (EMI)                    $6
--Loop Guru - Duniya (import)                                           $12
--Loop Guru - The Third Chamber (import)                                $12
--Luna - Penthouse (promo)                                              $6
--Liquorice - Listening Cap (promo)                                     $8
--Closedown - Nearfield                                                 $7
--Guided By Voices - Bee Thousand                                       $6
--V/A - Ruby Trax 3xCD (nme's 40th anniv.)              make me an offer
--
--Morrissey Singles Box Set (it's something out of 3500 or 5000; i have to
--find which box it is in to see), near mint condition, three new jewelboxes
--
--
--Velocette - Microcosmik EP (Reflective)                               $4
--Chuck Phulasole - The Jonezin EP (+8)                                 $2
--Tricky - "Ponderosa" (promo)                                          $3

--Orb - Pomme Fritz (Island)                                            $7
--V/A - Septic Cuts (Sabrettes; Sabres of P. compilation)               $5
--Loop Guru - Duniya (Nation)                                           $10
--Grid - Figure of Eight (Virgin)                                       $3
--Orbital "Are We Here?" 2x12" (ffrr)                                   $5
--Wolfgang Press - Going South (4ad/WB promo)                           $12
--La Funk Mob - "Tribulations Extra Sensorielles" 2x12" (Mo'Wax)        $10
--B12 - Electro-Soma (Warp; orange double vinyl; sleeve wear)           $15
--Sun Electric - Kitchen (R&S; limited edition with bonus 12")          $20
--4Voice - "Eternal Spirit" (FAX)                                       $10
--4Voice - "Fairlight" (FAX)                                            $10
--Escape - "Escape to Polaris" (FAX)                                    $10
--
--rolling stone magazine with belly on the cover - $3
--'cake' promo t-shirt - $5
--

--Friends of Dean Martin[ez] - The Shadow of Your Smile (Sub Pop promo;
--originally says 'martin,' not martinez)                               $4
--Number One Cup - Possum Trot Plan (Flydaddy promo)                    $4
--Duran Duran - Duran Duran (Capitol)                                   $4
--Singles OST                                                           $5
--Luscious Jackson - In Search of Manny EP (oop)                        $4
--The Colgate Thirteen - Flags                                          $3
--Mixed Company - Vertical Hold                                         $3
--Reality Bites OST                                                     $5
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Date: Wed Jan 17 '96, 21:02:40
From: LISTSERV@AMERICAN.EDU, (1:105/306.999) To : brian newman, (1:105/39.0) -- Oh, I can't believe anyone in the US even bought this! Total beer-commercial music. "Buy my crap", indeed. You should be paying people to take this one off your hands. Oh well, everyone's entitled to a mistake once in a while. this early morning rant brought to you by Larry ------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 08:21:03 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: new Virginia Astley album!!!!


I just got word from Japan that there's a
new Virginia Astley album coming out in March!
Joy!

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 11:52:09 EST
From: mai (MAINGR01@UKCC.UKY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Bonnie and Clyde


                Incoherent rage?  Do you make a soft crackling noise when
>the wind blows you?  Okay?  (I hate smileys, here's one of me sticking
>my finger in my ear, wincing and wearing a false goatee beard: $%#$*)
>
>mai  wrote:
>>
>> I think I read it here a while back, so I'm sorry if I'm rehashing
>> old material, but could someone tell me who is singing and playing
>> on "Bonnie and Clyde" ( a hidden track?) on Luna's PENTHOUSE.
>
>It's either Dame Kiri Te Kanawa or Laetitia "Stereolab" Sadier, you
>decide which is more likely to be right.  I won't try to confuse you
>with "humour".  There were two versions released on a single, the
>"Bonnie Parker" version and the "Clyde Barrow" version - the latter
>features a lot of strange whooping yells, and is the one on my copy of
>the album, but according to some people theirs feature the other
>version.
>Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 17/01/96



Hmm. This IS a strange list, but that's ok. I can handle humor, well some.
Thanks for the answer. Actually I really like Kiri, but would be a tad
surprised if it were her. I suppose that's the humor part? Maybe Kiri
could tour with Peter Murphy? Tony Bennett and HoL?   Frank S and U2
is possible....

Thanks y'all
Mark Ingram
maingr01@ukcc.uky.edu

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 11:57:41 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Bonnie and Clyde


>old material, but could someone tell me who is singing and playing
>on "Bonnie and Clyde" ( a hidden track?) on Luna's PENTHOUSE.

it's luna with laetitia from stereolab.  for those of you that have the ep

and penthouse, which version is on the lp?  i only have the ep, and it
features two versions, the bonnie parker version and the clyde barrow
version.  i prefer the former, though they're both good.

curious,

BiZ

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:05:38 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP


>> Also, is the collaboration between Ian Masters and Warren Defever,
>> Esp Summer, going to be a 4AD release???
>
>        Probably not. They passed on the option of releasing it earlier.

word has it that esp summer (the tape) will be released on cd (in france,
again) sometime this year.  it's going to be called esp continent, and will
be limited to about 800 copies or so.  as to a release date, i have no
idea.  anyone care to divulge? (beams at hk)

end transmission,

BiZ

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:40:05 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: long live slowdive


>Funny (not) that when the band most often discussed on this list actually
>signs to 4AD, they get their own list.

It's REALLY annoying. Eventually we will have a separate mailing list for
discussing every song by every band ever on 4AD. e will hang out on the
"Rutti" list, presumably. Look for me on the "My Love Paramour" and
"Sweetness And Light" lists. For the time being I will resist the
tendency and ignore the Slowdive list.

>The US release of the Mojave album came out today and I bought it.

Ha! Somebody from Warner Bros. e-mailed me out of the blue and offered to
send me a free promo copy, which should be arriving next week. I feel
like a net.bigwig or something. Does this mean I have to write a fawning
sycophantic review?

I still keep musing about Brant's dismissal of "Pygmalion", esp. since
I've been listening to "Avalyn" a lot (it's on a comp. tape I made in
1991 that I just dug up and stuck in my car stereo.) Frankly, to me
"Pygmalion" sounds a lot like "Avalyn" without so many pedals, which is
part of why I love it so. (Not that I minded the effects...)

>Whatever. The art is indeed very nice, the band name...is irritating. Has
>anyone ever tried continually changing their band name but releasing
>albums all with the same title?

The [distinctly nonthislisty] SF band Caroliner sort of do this, in that
they're always tweaking their name ... "Caroliner Rainbow", "Caroliner
Bites A Singing Pig", etc.


__________
Jens Alfke  __________________
            jens@mooseyard.com
                          _______________________________________________
                         "Ten, sir," said the tensor.
                          Tension, apprehension and dissention have begun.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:14:55 PST
From: Dante Nuno (dnuno@CCMAIL.QCWORLD.COM)
Subject: Cindytalk


Can Ronnie or Annie please  mail me back some info. on Cindytalk/Gordon Sharp.
I would like to know if Macbeth ever got up off the ground, and also where I
might be able to get Cindytalk paraphernalia.  I would also like to know how to
get in touch with him if that is at all possible.

Please send private email to:

dnuno@qcworld.com

Dante

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 11:40:08 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Bleak


On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, einexile the meek wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Jan 1996, Micah Newman wrote:
>
> >         I'm considering buying Bleak's "Vane" with my next Projekt mail
> > order, when lovesliescrushing's "Xuvetyn" comes out, and I'm wondering if
> > anyone can tell me about it. I gathered that einexile doesn't like it,
> > and I wouldn't mind knowing exactly why, but does anyone else have input
> > about it? I really like Lycia a lot (although unbelievably, I have yet to
> > buy _The Burning Circle..._, but soon will), and the Darkwave catalog
> > description of Bleak being more the intense, "A Brief Glimpse" side of
Lycia
> > sounds pretty damn good to me.
>
> I may have posted about this before so apologies if I am repeating

> myself. My problem with Bleak is that it is shoddy and seems to have been
> knocked off. If you were to draw a line indicating sound quality and
> spontaneity, it would look like this...
>
>  Circle -> Stark -> Ionia -> Wake -> Live -> Vane

Ouch... I only have "Ionia" and "Stark Corner" at this point, but they're
both pretty blatantly four-track type recordings, although still excellent.

> ...Vane being at the "bootleg" and "flippant" end of the spectrum. It
> sounds like demos for Live, if Live were a Studio album. It is shoddy
> enough that I am inclined to think it might have been written and
> recorded live, perhaps as warmup or cooldown during the Circle sessions.
> There is no doubt in my mind that the people responsible for Burning
> Circle could come up with this stuff on the spot. But I'm still not
> impressed. There are a few halfway decent tunes, but they don't surprise
> or haunt or rock and it all sounds pretty awful. If I hadn't got it at
> the same time as Burning Circle the album might make me fvery angry, but
> since I did and given that they have made a special effort to remove it
> conceptually from Lycia, I don't have a problem with it. I just find it
> near-unlistenable and fairly useless and disappointing. Buy the other
> album instead.

        It's next on my list. I think I'll still try Bleak, though.

> Does anyone have the new Soul Whirling Somewhere?
>
>  e

        Yeah... I posted about it awhile back, and I would feel awfully
self-repetitive if I had to go through that whole spiel again; but I'll
say it's at least as good as _Eating The Sea_; a little more varied, more
guitar and other instruments in addition to the familiar swaths of lush
keyboards.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:47:36 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: This Rimy River Ltd. delay/V23 Exh.


Received a mailing from 4AD mailorder saying that:

Publication date for the 'This Runy River' ltd. edition now is sometime in
March.
The cover of the book wil be "3mm clear acrylic giving the appearance of
glass, bound with an orange leather spine. The slipcase is dark blue suede
with a silver foil blockage design".

There is a v23 UK exhibition in Newcastle Upon Tyne, at the University
Gallery from 24th February to 29th March.

Frank
++++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++++

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:59:36 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Any news on Laika/Stereolab?


It's been a while since "Silver Apples Of the Moon" -- does anyone have
any news of what Laika are up to? Is there a new album in the works?

And I believe Stereolab's new LP is supposed to be released in the near
future, or so the Web site says; has anyone managed to snag an advance
copy?

Youth wants to know,

__________
Jens Alfke  __________________
            jens@mooseyard.com
                          _______________________________________________
                         "Ten, sir," said the tensor.
                          Tension, apprehension and dissention have begun.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 13:56:43 -0700
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP


>word has it that esp summer (the tape) will be released on cd (in france,
>again) sometime this year.  it's going to be called esp continent, and will
>be limited to about 800 copies or so.  as to a release date, i have no
>idea.  anyone care to divulge? (beams at hk)

800 copies?!  Is there any way we as the list could buy up half of them
(all 400 of us want this on CD don't we?).   Anyone know if there's a way
to pre-order them?  I hate listening to tapes so i haven't ordered it but i
have heard a few songs (thanks BiZ).

-cz

___<<<<<<<<<*********ckemnitz@students.wisc.edu********>>>>>>>>>___

"That's how society strangled all those it wanted to get rid of, or wanted
to protect itself from, and put them in asylums, because they refused to be
accomplices to a kind of lofty swill.

     For a lunatic is a man that society does not wish to hear but wants to
prevent from uttering certain unbearable truths."   -Antonin Artaud

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 23:19:11 +0100
From: "Laurent Lapierre \"P'tit Greg.\"" (lapierre@MICRONET.FR)
Subject: Re: ESP-Continent out now !


>>> Also, is the collaboration between Ian Masters and Warren Defever,
>>> Esp Summer, going to be a 4AD release???
>word has it that esp summer (the tape) will be released on cd (in france,
>again) sometime this year.  it's going to be called esp continent, and will
>be limited to about 800 copies or so.  as to a release date, i have no
>idea.  anyone care to divulge? (beams at hk)
>BiZ

Exact! (I remember the name ESP-continent now!) I've seen it 3 days ago in
a shop in Paris. I think the release was last week.

                expensive in France! 1$ < 5FF )

If there is really only 800 copies, maybe it will be difficult to find in US
I can take a few copie here for Ian/Warren addicts, but you will have to
e mail me privatlely.

Maybe it's possible to take it trough _Time Stereo_ for less bucks.
(this is a french released but the tape came from Time Stereo).


>>>->-->---> L a u r e n t   L a p i e r r e   "P'tit Greg." <---<--<-<<<
mail : lapierre@micronet.fr             http://Is.coming.soon/I.hope.html

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:13:14 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP


>800 copies?!  Is there any way we as the list could buy up half of them
>(all 400 of us want this on CD don't we?).   Anyone know if there's a way
>to pre-order them?  I hate listening to tapes so i haven't ordered it but i
>have heard a few songs (thanks BiZ).

Right on!  If anyone ever hears about this, please, please, prettyplease let
us all know... I think I'd get kind of upset if there were copies of this
floating around and I didn't have one.

Possessive of Warren schtuff as ever,
Jake

If you shoot a mime ... nevermind.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 19:01:43 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (TooPurist@AOL.COM)
Subject: yet another Best of '95 list... late but still nice


Hi all-
If anyone cares...
Actually, if you'd like more info on any release, feel free to e-mail me. I'm
more than eager to share some of these discoveries with those who'd
appreciate them. :)

and now . . .

Everything is in order, but I took the cheesy way out: Why compare apples n'
oranges? SHJ and Scott Walker are both #1's in my book. . . and this is just
about the only way to show that. Conspicuously missing: 7"s and vinyl. But
I'm a newcomer to that format, and I haven't even heard the stuff I DO have
on vinyl. Next year. . .Also missing:anything I haven't heard. Oh well.

 ~~~ noise from the jungle & the electronic revolution ~~~
1.SPRING HEEL JACK - There Are Strings
2.MOUSE ON MARS - Iaora Tahiti
3.SEEFEEL - Succour
4.APHEX TWIN - ...I Care Because You Do
5.ALEC EMPIRE - Low on Ice (The Iceland Sessions)
6.BEDOUIN ASCENT - Music for Particles
7.LOCUST - Truth is Born of Arguments
8.GERM - Parrot
9.DISJECTA - 1.0
10.PANASONIC - Vakio

 ~~~ (probably) not of our world ~~~
1.WINDY & CARL - Portal
2.MAIN - Hz
3.LABRADFORD - A Stable Reference
4.HOEDh - Hymnvs
5.SLOWDIVE - Pygmalion
6.RACHEL'S - Handwriting
7.CUL DE SAC - I Don't Want to Go To Bed
8.FLYING SAUCER ATTACK - Further
9.STARS OF THE LID - Music For Nitrous Oxide
10.FLIES INSIDE THE SUN - An Audience of Others (Including Herself)
11.ROY MONTGOMERY - Scenes from the South Island
12.LUCID - Baby Labyrinthian
--- GIGO+ sn 457 at crystals vsn 0.99.950801

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Date: Wed Jan 17 '96, 21:02:40
From: LISTSERV@AMERICAN.EDU, (1:105/306.999) To : brian newman, (1:105/39.0) -- --Chris Whitley - Din of Ecstasy (promo) $5 --General Public - Rub It Better (promo) $3 --Spencer Lewis - Gardener's Rain $3 --Viva Saturn - Brightside (promo) $3 --Big Audio Dynamite - Megatop Phoenix $3 --Big Audio Dynamite - No. 10 Upping Street $3 --Schoenberg - Chamber Music $5 --Stone Temple Pilots - Core $4 --Alice In Chains - Jar of Flies ep $3 --Alice In Chains - Dirt $5 --Just Say Yes vol. 1-4 $3 each --Clash - Story of the Clash Vol.1 (2cd) $10 --Moist - Silver $3 -- --also, everyone who buys something will get some kind of small gift with it. --i have old magazines from spy to option to guitar world, cassette labels, --empty cd cases, new pens and pencils i probably wouldn't use until i was --40, basically things i have too much of that people could either use or --look at, smirk, and throw away. i feel like being silly like that. --anyway, have a smurfy day, --.j. joroses@mail.utexas.edu http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~joanna andover '94 - Syndicated columnist Dave Barry says that "those weird string of letters that have started showing up everywhere in newspaper stories, advertisements, TV shows, etc., the ones that look like http//www/clamsucker.doo.wah" are "code instructions to Dan Rather from his home planet." -----------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:55:08 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Where is the archive?


Is 4AD-L continuing to be archived?  I no longer recall the address of
the former remailer, and nothing is available at ftp.american.edu.

Any help would be appreciated.

 -----------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 00:13:05 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Message for Huite Rietveld only!!


Huite,

Ik ben je adres kwijt dus doe ik het zo maar even. Ik heb een vraag over een

Wim Mertens promo CD, en aangezien hij op Crepuscule zit en jullie dat label
ook distribueren in Nederland, kun je me misschien verder helpen (of mooier
nog eraan helpen). Ik heb Joelle Dagry van Crepuscule in Brussel gebeld,
maar die bleek niets van deze promo te weten. Misschien is het meer een PIAS
promotie 'device' en niet zozeer een Crepuscule CD.

Het gaat om een promo CD voor 'Gave van Niets', de 10-CD set die november
vorig jaar is gereleased. Nu heb ik deze info alleen van via via maar er
schijnt een promo CD the zijn (TWI 1003P ??) met daarop excerpts van die 10
CD's. Ik neem aan dat hij is gemaakt omdat het een beetje kostbaar wordt om
10 CDsets naar recensenten ed. te zenden. Ik weet niet, ik gok maar.

In ieder geval: weet jij iets van deze CD? En, als jullie er nog 1 hebben
rondzwerven, zou ik daar dan voor in aanmerking kunnen komen? Eventuele
kosten vergoed ik, dat spreekt van zelf.

Bij voorbaat dank voor je hulp.

Frank Brinkhuis
++++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++++

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:56:57 -0500
From: "The Dutchman was dressed to impress..." (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: HoL HoL HoL all the time 'til you puke


>BTW, the official reason for the break up was that Pete Evans,
>the drummer was leaving the music biz.  I still haven't heard anything
>from Guy's project "The Madonnas".

I read a none-too-enthusiastic live review that described them as HoL gone
AOR (but then the British music press were pretty down on Chadwick and co
towards the end anyway). No releases as far as I know.

>House of Love - self/titled Creation album
>                (w/original Shine On, Christine, Love In A Car)
>
>                Great indie pop!  Lots of youth and emotion, and
>                some great songwriting.  Nice 2nd guitar from
>                Terry Bickers.           ^^^^

Nice, yet occasionally nicely insane (as on "Hope" and "Touch Me")

>House of Love - self-titled (Creation singles compilation)-German only release
>                (w/early Creation singles/b-sides, 2 unreleased songs)
>
>                Less polished indie pop, but still great.  This
>                has the two "lost" b-sides from what was intended to
>                be their 5th Creation single "Safe", but was later
>                shelved.

"Safe" later turned up on "A Spy...", btw

8House of Love - self-titled (Babe Rainbow cover)
>                (w/Feel, Crush Me)
>
>                This one is as highly produced as the Butterfly album,
>                but they went for a more organic, 60's-retro feel.
>                Overall the songs are quite good, but some are a

>                bit overindulgent.
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes. They're all quite long songs, sometimes too much so (e.g. "Cruel" which
goes on forever in George Harrison mode). But the segues are nice. "Wildly
ambitious" would be a good overall description.

>House of Love - Audience with the Mind
>
>                Supposedly recorded in 3 weeks, like their debut
>                album.  It features the main trio of Guy, Chris
>                and Pete Evans with an occasional guest guitarist.
>                I believe this album was knocked out quickly to
>                fulfill their commitment to Fontana, and it shows.
>                Also has a song sung by Chris (the bass player) which
>                is not very good.

Actually, *two* by Chris, and they're not exactly terrible either. But
perhaps they were an indication that Guy was reaching a creative low ebb (as
well as new heights in the iffy lyrics department).

Basically, buy whatever you can get your hands on, concentrating on the
earlier stuff. Some of the singles from Babe Rainbow are worth tracking down
too (good b-sides, interesting cover versions).

Larry, perennial bringer-upper of HoL

on now: Cluster II

 -----------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:44:26 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: harmony rockets... some cranes(no 4ad)



hello,

i've been desperately looking for a cd by harmony rockets.  for those that did
not know and may be interested, harmony rockets and mercury rev are the same
band.  they released their only disc a few months ago, and for some reason it
has already been deleted.  can anyone help me find two copies of this disc?
i'll send cash or trade.  one thing that may be of interest to cranes fans is a
promotional only, limited to 2000 copies cd single for 'tomorrow's tears'.
i had never seen this before, but a guy at their label, bmg, sent it to me a
few months back.  he said it was fairly rare.  i can't remember the b-sides,
but there are three of them and an interview.  i'm happy to part with it for a
copy of the harmony rockets.

thanks,
alan
alan@msai.mea.com

 -----------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:04:28 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Lilys "In The Presence Of Nothing"


A few months back I recall mention of the Lilys' essential album "In The
Presence Of Nothing" being out of print. I was just checking Parasol's
web page and their December 16th update claims they have it back in
stock. You can reach them at:


or


for the update itself. The description reads:

Lilys  In The Presence Of Nothing  PS, US Beautiful release from 1992
back in stock. MBV fans who haven't heard this one should check it out.
Slumberland-20  CD  14.25

Buy buy buy! A shoegazer classic, much in the MBV vein but with its own
distinct sound.

__________
Jens Alfke  __________________
            jens@mooseyard.com
                          _______________________________________________
                         "Ten, sir," said the tensor.
                          Tension, apprehension and dissention have begun.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:17:03 -0500
From: "J. Orr" (TheJorr@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: ...some cranes(no 4ad)


---from alan:

> one thing that may be of interest to cranes fans is a promotional
> only, limited to 2000 copies cd single for 'tomorrow's tears'.  i had
> never seen this before, but a guy at their label, bmg, sent it to me
> a few months back.  he said it was fairly rare.  i can't remember
> the b-sides, but there are three of them and an interview.

I saw this disc used once in Dallas, and the b-sides are the same as those on
the Dedicated version of the EP: "Casa Blanca", "Sixth of May" (same as on
_Wings_of_Joy_), and "Dreamless".  "Casa Blanca" is a great song, one of my
favorites by them.  "Dreamless" is one of their more atonal pieces, but still

pretty good.

---Jeremy  "Who's he?  Is he famous?"
                            "I don't know...he's on TV, isn't he?"

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:51:25 -0500
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: dreampop mailing list defunkt?



Anyone know what happened to the dreampop mailing list?
The one hosted by netcom.com?

I'm willing to take it over, and if I'm not mistaken
the list owner is subbed to 4AD as well....

If you are or you know the list owner,
crystals

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:38:05 -0500
From: Erikas Aras Napjus (erikas+@CMU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Where is the archive?


Excerpts from internet.listserv.4ad-l: 16-Jan-96 Where is the archive?
by Darryl Stephen Roy@OWLNE
> Is 4AD-L continuing to be archived?  I no longer recall the address of
> the former remailer, and nothing is available at ftp.american.edu.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.

If you can put up with terrible formatting, occasional missing

information, and my total inability to write a program which correctly
computes the date, you can try my experimental archive at:


It runs back to November, 1994 (more or less, slightly more less). Much
to my amazement, a few web crawlers have also indexed the whole damned
thing, so you can often find prolific posters to 4ad-l located there via
web searches.


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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:57:34 EST
From: Derek Innocent (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD UK Mail Order


>I just recieved the Additions/deletions sheet for 4AD as well as the Mail
>Order Subscription Form.
>
>I have TWO questions :
>
>Will 4AD send me EVERY  new stuff on CD (this being the format I prefer) from
>january 96 to the date I cancel my subsciption? Does his include Cd singles?
>
>Sorry to bother you guys but IT IS a great deal of money since I live in
Mexico.
>
>
>Pepe Garcia Camil

Answer - yes to both questions. If you tick CDs only, that's precisely what
you'll get. If you tick CDs preferred, you will get that + any vinyl releases
not issued on CD (eg the rumoured series of ltd edition 10" eps)

- Dez

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:08:45 -0800
From: Lab User (labuser@DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: 4AD question


Is Tsunami on 4AD now that liqourice is a label member???  How did Jenny
toomey wind up on 4AD?  Also, is the collaboration between Ian Masters
and Warren Defever, Esp Summer, going to be a 4AD release???

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 22:28:52 -0600
From: John Monroe (5ES8MONROEJ@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU)
Subject: Drum, send my Vaughan Oliver book !


and really, apologies to this list, but this person will not return
any mail, and has my Vaughan Oliver book.  any ideas on how to get a
reply out of someone who you give money to, in good faith, to purchase
you a Vauaghan Oliver book and then states they have it, but have
refused to send it for a _year_ ???  so, as i can get no reply out of
this person, i figured i would have to write where she reads, again!

i do apologize to all but one of you...

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 06:52:41 -0500
From: "The Dutchman was dressed to impress..." (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: bad Canadian music aplenty


Jens wrote:
>On the other hand:
>> Rose Chronicles - Shiver
>The worst kind of adolescent Lush/Ride knockoff with lyrics even sappier
>than Liz Fraser's recent output. Avoid like the plague. Someone needs to
>do Gil a favor and take this klunker off his hands but it ain't gonna be
>me.

Or me...features an incredibly lame breathy female singer who you can just
tell really loves the sound of her own voice and her "profound" teen diary
style lyrics.

Speaking of lousy Canuck music, what do I see joroses selling?
>--Moist - Silver                                                        $3

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Date: Wed Jan 17 '96, 21:02:40
From: LISTSERV@AMERICAN.EDU, (1:105/306.999) To : brian newman, (1:105/39.0) -- the same time as Burning Circle the album might make me fvery angry, but since I did and given that they have made a special effort to remove it conceptually from Lycia, I don't have a problem with it. I just find it near-unlistenable and fairly useless and disappointing. Buy the other album instead. Does anyone have the new Soul Whirling Somewhere? e ------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 01:00:48 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: a long fatal belly dance


On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, zelzah wrote:

> einexille:  this isn't in reference to you rather than to the stupid fuck
> who made this thread happen.

The impression I got was that this person was just goofing off. This is
an excuse often used around here when a careless flame gets its poster
all wet, but my reaction at the time was that this was a rather clever
spoof on the conventional "who are you to judge my opinion" paradoxes
that show up here from time to time.

Just to set the record straight: If you don't like someone's opinion of
your opinion, then tell them your opinion of their opinion, and if they
have an opinion of that, repeat as necessary. It is never wrong to tell
someone that he is full of shit and it is even less often necessary to
note that your post is not in fact a new stone tablet sent from Great
Spirit Herself. Usually it's more fun to just go on arguing about what
you were arguing about rather than argue about what you ought to be
arguing about.

This has been a little bit of musin in the shape of a pretzel. More where
that came from if you fail to comply.

> This is the last fucking time I will write concerning Belly and the
*opinions*

> expressed towards them, or whatever.  I just write what I fucking feel like
> writing.  I am expressing myself as was einexille and the many people on
> this list do.  The list would be boring if it wasn't for people's opinions
> and thoughts on the many different bands 4ad has to offer.  I personally
> don't give a shit being called "arrogant" or whatever, I actually like it.

Look at it this way: At least Doktor Elvia and Ms. Elvia didn't see fit
to quote the entire 23k speil back at us, eh? That might have been kind
of fun, tho...


 einexile, who will continue to talk about slowdive HERE thank you

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 01:27:17 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: long live slowdive


Funny (not) that when the band most often discussed on this list actually
signs to 4AD, they get their own list.

The US release of the Mojave album came out today and I bought it. I had
the CD already and could understand the words fine, so I essentially
bought it for pride of ownership and the artwork. (The artwork is
beautiful.) So guess what? Payment for my decadence is the booklet is
damaged. Let he who is clever and opens these CDs and plays them and puts
them back beware. Better yet, let him get a clue as to how someone else's
CD inserts should be handled, eh?

The thing is, I suspect this happened in the factory. Anyone else have a
Mojave insert like this? :(

Whatever. The art is indeed very nice, the band name...is irritating. Has
anyone ever tried continually changing their band name but releasing
albums all with the same title? _Mojave_ by Ask Me Tomorrow; "Mojave",
the hot new single from Tomorrow's Taken, etc...

Ugh. Score one against all that trademark copyright shit. Bleagh.

Does Christopher Andrews not wish to be photographed?


 einexile (still thinks rutti is the best music gets)

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:19:34 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: RHP


I just heard the most fucked-up thing this morning.

Someone posted a note here saying that they heard that RHP signed to RCA
and the album would be out this spring.  I mentioned that to a friend of
mine who told me that he heard that RCA had an offer on the table (which
would have paid 4AD back for the money THEY spend on this new album, by
the way), and they called 4AD to find out the 'poop' on Mark and 4AD just
slagged Mark off completely, so RCA backed out.  Really shitty, if you
ask me!

Rick

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 08:23:46 +1100
From: Derby Chang (derbyc@TPLRD.TPL.OZ.AU)
Subject: Tanya Donnelly and Catherine Wheel


I watched a cute video of Catherine Wheel's "Judy's Staring At The
Sun", and suddenly there is Tanya, duetting.  I've never been much
of a fan of Catherine Wheel (there was a very nice Australian Catherine
Wheel, but they are long gone).  Now I am very interested.

So what's the goss.  Are there more songs with Tanya?  How did they
meet?  What is the song _about_?

Derby

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 00:19:56 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Frank Black at Berns? / Morpheus of the endless


I assume this is the Berns nightclub in Stockholm. If so, does Swedish TV still
have "live
at Berns"? (They were still showing this when I lived there '91/'92). Then some
Svensk
could verify if it was said Fat Acoustic Black Frank Type Person or not.

And talking of Sweden - has anybody got any info on Morpheus Of The Endless.
Very &ATTrees/
Nephilim sounding. I have the Neurochild  12" on CD (wierd Nun records), and
was wondering
whether they had done anything else....


Chris den f.d. svenskan

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:16:50 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: New Air Miami/Mark Robinson


Found the following in the new release schedule I got from TeenBeat:

 23-April The Olympic Death Squad (Mark Robinson solo) "Blue"  CD (#200)

 7-May  Air Miami 12"/CDsingle (# 197)

The latter isn't scheduled for 4AD release, is it?

Frank



++++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++++

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:45:03 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Bonnie and Clyde


Russell Martin  wrote:
 [Me:]
 > > Can I be frank?
 >
 > Hey buddy! Why don't you fucking knock it off! What are you
 > trying to do, upset the listies? Don't you understand? Attempts
 > to be humorous only confuse them. So just butt out and let FRANK
 > answer the damn question.  Okay?

Hey, who are you to tell me to not express my opinion of "King" and I'll
fucking knock it off if you censor my self-expression who makes the
rules anyway?  Incoherent rage?  Do you make a soft crackling noise when
the wind blows you?  Okay?  (I hate smileys, here's one of me sticking
my finger in my ear, wincing and wearing a false goatee beard: $%#$*)

mai  wrote:
>
> I think I read it here a while back, so I'm sorry if I'm rehashing
> old material, but could someone tell me who is singing and playing
> on "Bonnie and Clyde" ( a hidden track?) on Luna's PENTHOUSE.

It's either Dame Kiri Te Kanawa or Laetitia "Stereolab" Sadier, you
decide which is more likely to be right.  I won't try to confuse you
with "humour".  There were two versions released on a single, the
"Bonnie Parker" version and the "Clyde Barrow" version - the latter
features a lot of strange whooping yells, and is the one on my copy of
the album, but according to some people theirs feature the other
version.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 17/01/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/NORMAN.HTM
Th' Faith Healers

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From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Shaving the Pavement


Ayone know when and if Toronto has been scheduled
for the Lush tour?

Just wondering

Steve

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:12:53 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences




The US version of the CD features different cover pics (same style but colors
and shots vary), has a number of deleted samples, and contains 3 extra
which I believe is different from the ltd. UK version).

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 05:34:34 -0800
From: Hoa Ngo (hhngo@SFSU.EDU)
Subject: This Mortal Coil


I'm currently putting together a TMC page at:

userwww.sfsu.edu/~hhngo/tmc/This.Mortal.Coil.html

I invite you all to stop by, take a look, and PLEASE offer suggestions
for I am running out of material to add.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:11:11 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@UCSALF.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: House Of Love


Simon Hughes wrote:

> Andrew Norman wrote:
>
> >The House of Love were awesome when they
> >got it right ("Christine", "Shine On"), and abysmal when they got it
> >wrong ("Destroy the Heart").
>
More or less the only three songs I can remeber by them

> Oh but Andrew, you must know you kicking against general public opinion if
> you don't like "Destroy the Heart".  I reckon it might come top in a poll
> of people's favorite HoL tunes (certainly topped Peel's festive fifty one
> year).
>
> One of my best ever gig going experiences was HoL doing "Love in a Car" at,
> I think, the Kilburn National.  Absolutely wonderful.  For a short while,
> we were blessed with two great guitarists in Terry Bickers and John Squire.
> Look what's happened to them now.
>
I was dragged to see them at Kilburn by my ex some time ago, only
really liking a few songs and was totally amazed. A superb show.

Richard



Richard Clemens, Centre Officer
Department of Construction & Surveying
University College Salford, Salford M6 6PU, UK

"          "  Anon

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:47:48 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences


>
>I just received the Amercian promo for "A Girl Like You" (thanks Mike).
>It clearly states that the song is from the upcoming "Queer" LP. I have the
>UK
>version of this LP (limited edition with the Mama and Sucker 12"s). It
>doesn't
>have A girl like you on it. Did this appear on the American edition, or did
>4Ad
>change their minds for all editions?
>
>Chris
>Exiled in Africa
>
>

To my understanding, "A Girl Like You" was recorded after the UK release of
Queer, and seeing that they wouldn't have another full-length releasefor
quite some time, TWP decided to release it as a CD single in the Uk along
with the full-length US release which didn't come for sometime...perhaps
months... after the UK release of Queer.  As was "Angel" and "Sucker m.f.",
which is pretty kewl. (i.e. it ROX!) 

There are also many other minor differences between the US and UK versions as
well.  At first, you notice that the artwork is changed around, (i.e. the
front cover on the UK version is now the back of the insert for the US
version - and vice versa).  The sound samples in the songs vary as well.  on
"Honey Tree", at the beginning of the UK version, there is an unmistakable
sample of Depeche Mode's "Blasphemous Rumours" (6 or 7 notes me thinks) and
continues on through the song with just a 4 (?) note sample.  On the US
version, all you notice, is the 4 note sample throughout the song, which is
hard to place without hearing the 7 note intro ala the UK version.  I think
Mute didn't have a problem with TWP sampling Depeche in the UK, but when it
came to the US release, SIRE didn't appreciate it as much and they (TWP) had
to cut out the unmistakable 7 note intro.

The UK "Louis XIV" also has some different voice samples in there from the US
version.  It sounds like the lines are from a movie I've seen before, but I
can't place it.  Anyone??  The lines sampled in each song are the same, but

with different actors (or whatever).  In addition, I think "Birmingham" has
some subtle differences as well.

Bored yet?

-Blue
blubelknol@aol.com

"Know who you are at every age" - CT

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:54:48 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@UCSALF.AC.UK)
Subject: Frank Black - live/Crushed


Anyone out there seen Mr Black playing live at all recently. I keep
reading mixed reviews of the new recorded stuff, but I really want to
know what he sounds like live. I haven't seen him since the Pixies
last UK tour. Whatever your comments I have my ticket for the 31 jan
for Manchester.

Further to my note regarding the gig the local band Crushed were to
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 04:44:24 GMT
From: Ian McCausland (Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: cocteau Videos


just picked up a video reel of some cocteau videos.... a boootleg vid I guess?
anyways these are things that seem mandatory in everyone of them:
close up of Robins glitter gituar, maybe when he solos
wide pans of each band memeber over and over again
maybe aglance off camera from each of them
lights, outa focus, bouncing around  in teh background

seems they could have doen so much with the visuals, I was kinda dissapointed
, then again the Bands view on vids maybe have forced what ever director  to
work with very little???
I must admit the video on Evageline was good,, made  what i thought was a
filler tune come across as very cool. the clothing , the lighting the effects
all made the song come across as very cool


Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:50:10 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Foetus, Spizz etc.

              <9601171840.AA10319@alink-gw.apple.com>

Jens Alfke wrote:

>>Has
>>anyone ever tried continually changing their band name but releasing
>>albums all with the same title?
>
>The [distinctly nonthislisty] SF band Caroliner sort of do this, in that
>they're always tweaking their name ... "Caroliner Rainbow", "Caroliner
>Bites A Singing Pig", etc.

And of course there's always Foetus and that Spizz nutter (actually, I
think Jim "Foetus" Thirlwall qualifies as a nutter too) that do the same
thing as Caroliner.

It's not what the original questioner was after either but for a long time
(i.e. until I got the album), I thought that one of You've Got Foetus On
Your Breath's albums (Ache or Deaf, don't remember which) featured the
words "you've got foetus on your breath" in the lyric to every song, which
seemed like a neat sort of trick.  Turned out to be on only one lyric, I
think.

Simon Hughes

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:35:00 GMT
From: Paul Rankine (Paul.Rankine@MAIL.SEMA.CO.UK)
Subject: Is this a new thread ??


Seems to be some discussion about 4AD's worst release.  I dont pretend to
have heard *all* of 4AD's output, but of what I have heard I would like to
vote for Tarnation's CD as the worst ever......4AD goes C&W ??  fucking
hell, what is the world coming to ??.

While Im here, if anyone has anything interesting they would like to trade
for Tarnation, then let me know....

Remember - its only my opinion (which happens to be the one that matters to
me), and Im OK in the dick department, thanks.

Cheers

Paul


Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:45:31 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: digest


did anyone else start receiving the digest yesterday for no apparent reason?

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:19:00 PST
From: Foothill High School Associated Student Body
Subject: Throwing Muses 'Limbo'


Dear 4AD-L,

I just got a message from the Muses that said the rumours are true.  Look
for "Limbo" in May.

Layne
fhsasb@shastalink.k12.ca.us

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:04:24 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Those obnoxious digest reposts


>If EVERYONE on the list sends annoyed (but still polite) e-mail to :
>    Mark.loofburrow@Crystals.aloha.or.us
>who is the sysadmin behind those obnoxious attempts to get someone
>unsubscribed, we might see some action. I sent him mail yesterday but the
>damn things are still coming through.

Actually, hold off on those e-mails. I got mail back from him and, while
I dislike his attitude, it sounds as though he might actually be able to
get this ex-user unsubscribed. Is our long national nightmare finally
over?

__________
Jens Alfke  __________________
            jens@mooseyard.com
                          _______________________________________________
                         "Ten, sir," said the tensor.
                          Tension, apprehension and dissention have begun.

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:25:11 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: looking for heavenly voices III


If you absolutely can't find it, Christina, I can get a copy here in Houston
for like $13 or so; and I'd be happy to mail it to you for another dollar or
so.


marvynHortman               ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us


Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:47:55 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Projekt chicago


Projekt has just moved from Pasadena to Chicago.
Check their web page for more details.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 18:13:18 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: ??? 4AD-L Digest ???


Can anyone tell me why we're getting these (big) messages since yesterday?


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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 16:48:57 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Foetus, Spizz etc.

              Jan 18, 96 01:50:10 pm

Simon Hughes  wrote:
>
> And of course there's always Foetus and that Spizz nutter (actually, I
> think Jim "Foetus" Thirlwall qualifies as a nutter too) that do the same
> thing as Caroliner.
>

And Pete Wiley, a.k.a. Wah!, Shambeko say Wah!, Wah! Heat, The Mighty
Wah!, etc.  Band name changing rather than the album title, though.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 18/01/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/NORMAN.HTM
Pavement - Wowee Zowee

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:48:11 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Those obnoxious digest reposts


If EVERYONE on the list sends annoyed (but still polite) e-mail to :
    Mark.loofburrow@Crystals.aloha.or.us
who is the sysadmin behind those obnoxious attempts to get someone
unsubscribed, we might see some action. I sent him mail yesterday but the
damn things are still coming through.

This idiot is trying to get a user unsubscribed by bouncing the entire
digest back to the list. Jesus, you'd think a sysadmin had more sense
than that.

E-mail him now. Make him realize the folly of his actions.

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                          _______________________________________________
                         "Ten, sir," said the tensor.
                          Tension, apprehension and dissention have begun.

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:13:16 -0500
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Toomey/Tsunami/ESP/Latest Release Schedule


Hate to be nitpicky but......

 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 ''J''O''H''N'''''''R''I''C''K''M''A''N''''''''''''''''''''''''
                                       jknee@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Noah Slankard wrote:

> Also, Jenny and Mark Robinson have been friends for a long
> time, so I'm sure that Ivo probably met her through that. Of course, one
> shouldn't forget that Warren Defever produced the last Grenadine
> (Robinson, Toomey, Andrew of Eggs) album.

Actually, it's Rob of Eggs. Andrew was Eggs' lead singer.
Who, by the way, might have a solo album out on Reprise.
Reprise gave Andrew money to record a demo for them, which he did
in England, with members of The Wedding Present. (So I'm told, anyways...)
I heard some of it, and if
you like most of "Exploder", you'll probably dig whatever solo
effort he releases.


Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:39:32 -0800
From: Cynthia Eng (cindyeng@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: 5 4AD-L Digest - 16 Jan 1996 to 17 Jan 1996


Hey!!!How do I get off the Digest? WHo subscribed me to it? Blah!


Cindy

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:46:55 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: Maybe RHP are fucked up?

              meek" at Jan 17, 96 11:55:31 pm

> Doesn't this depend on whether or not they were right?

> The thing is, it's gotten around that Mark is kind of an asshole. No, I'm
> serious! I really heard this! :)

Well, I (personally) think that its wrong to fuck with another person's
livelihood (if they did nothing to you, which, in this case, is the case)
and 4AD is therefore shooting themselves in the foot; by delaying RHP's
iminent (sp?) signing, they are just floating a HUGE amount of money that
Mark spent on recording this record.

Your point, otherwise, is well taken, I just thought it was a little
fucked.  And trust me, I wave no golden banner for ANY major label.

Rick

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:23:23 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: RHP (mbv)


I concur on this whole RHP/4AD/IVO thing.  Everyone needs to just step back,
take a deep breath and relax before spewing the bile against Ivo/4Ad.  I'm
not especially pleased with the stuff coming out of 4AD these days either, but
I also understand that on a list "dedicated" to 4AD, that the label has been
placed upon a pedestal (note the # of people trying to get promos, calenders,
and other bullshit) and as such, criticisms of that same label will be the
harshest on this list.

I subscribe to this list because the tastes of folks on this list are more
closely aligned with my own than most other lists.  It's nice not to have to
be constantly on the look out for stuff (note the ESP Continent thingie) b/c
I know my friends on this list will find these things and tell everyone about
them.  That gives me time to do my own thing; then sit down when I want to
hear the latest news and grab all the cool limited stuff before the rest of
the world knows.

Why am I writing this and why are you reading this?  Mainly because I think
everyone ought not to spread rumors about anything before further facts are
found out; as you may be falsely accusing someone who didn't do anything
wrong.  (Remember the guy who slammed kj b/c he hadn't gotten his ESP Summer
tape last year?)  These kinds of posts waste time and spread ill feelings.

Quotes like "i'm spitting on my monitor i'm so mad" only reflect badly on the
person who wrote that; not the person it is directed against.

times up


marvynHortman                ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us


Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:20:32 -0600
From: Space Ghost Poncherello (jrcampbe@MAIL.PITTSTATE.EDU)
Subject: New Member (Pixies Fan)


Hi,

     I subscribed to this list in hopes that it would help me with my
hobby.  I collect Pixies albums, and am going for sort of a definitive
collection.  I've got all of the major releases on CD and cassette, and
the Surfer Rosa/Come On Pilgrim double album CD.  There's also a few
singles and (my favorite) one called "Supernova" which is a recording of
a 1989 concert in Vienna.  It has a ton of spelling errors on the label
and the audience is screaming in Austrian.  The question is...

Does anyone have Pixies albums they'd be willing to part with (Frank
Black, Breeders and Amps, too)?  B-sides, singles, EPs...et cetera.
OR OR OR is there anyplace where I can order some from?  Thanks in advance.

Jim Campbell

James Campbell
jrcampbe@mail.pittstate.edu
1902 S. Broadway #12, Pittsburg, KS 66762
(316) 235-1602 --> Jim's Moose Outlet Hotline
(316) 235-4801 --> SAC Office (Office Hours MWF 3-4pm)


Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:21:30 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Is this a new thread ??


On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Paul Rankine wrote:

> Seems to be some discussion about 4AD's worst release.  I dont pretend to
> have heard *all* of 4AD's output, but of what I have heard I would like to
> vote for Tarnation's CD as the worst ever......4AD goes C&W ??  fucking
> hell, what is the world coming to ??.

Try programming in just the Paula tracks. Her songs are dark and lush and
cool and totally unlike the other members' songs which have a way of
dominating and destroying the album even if they are fewer in number. I
don't find songs like The Hand, Lonely Lights, Two Wrongs, etc, to be
country much except in a creepy, retro sort of way. I think I disagreed
with the Badalamenti comparison on some technicality but it is a good way
of describing what in the record you might have missed, if anything.

> Remember - its only my opinion (which happens to be the one that matters to
> me)

That's not very tolerant or progressive of you.


 e


Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 16:50:03 -0500
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Mojave Whathaveya


Sheesh!

I'm sure there are plenty of people who will agree with me on this,
but I have to ask previous slowdive fans who are currently
unfazed by "Ask Me Tomarrow": What is it that u like about Slowdive?
If you say: guitars, then fine, i can see why you think their
"country album" sux.

But the way I see it, is that Slowdive is more about their vocals
now, more than anything. This is evident on "Pygmalion".
I've always liked their vocals, and now that they are in the foreground,
I've decided the tradeoff (less guitar) is fine with me.
Cuz they sing like angels! Their voices are beautiful, and although I
think it will be hard for them to top "Souvlaki", I'll always buy
their records because no matter what direction they take, it will most
likely be bee-u-tiful.

I'll admit though, that lines like "Chained to my lover, as she's chained
to me", is a bit odd coming from the authors of "She Calls". But what
can I say, I'm into it. (:):(:):(:):(:):(:):(:):(:):(:):(:):(:):(:):(:)

 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 ''J''O''H''N'''''''R''I''C''K''M''A''N''''''''''''''''''''''''
                                       jknee@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu


Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 00:48:48 +0100
From: "Laurent Lapierre \"P'tit Greg.\"" (lapierre@MICRONET.FR)
Subject: Re: New Member (Pixies Fan)


> I collect Pixies albums, and am going for sort of a definitive
>collection.
Just for information, a Franck Black's french radio session has been
domestically released on CD last year (maybe 2 years ago?) in a nice black
box.
It has been re-released internationnaly severals months ago...
No idea if it's still available but I will check one of these day.


Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:21:52 -0400
From: ash (ash@dhp.com)
Subject: the state of 4ad/the list/and a little RHP (really long)


though i'm not really sure what good can come of it, i feel the need
to express my opinions on the state of the whole 4ad thing...

i remember a time not too, too long ago (though it's certainly
getting longer) where i looked forward to just about every release
on the label. those groups that were new signages or that i was
unfamiliar with at that time seemed almost certain to be putting out
quality releases worth picking up. the art and packaging was always
a step up (well, several steps up) from other record companies, and
the music always had residence in a certain 'genre' of sound (that
'4ad sound' that has since become kind of diluted, if not completely
splattered. i use that term for lack of a better one, because it
strikes me that 4ad, or ivo, or whoever... was trying to diversify
that 'sound' so much that, in the process, spread themselves too
thin in every direction.)

this is, of course, just my opinion, and i'm sure somebody's going
to kick my ass for saying so, but i just don't think that any of
the recently signed acts since, say, That Dog and Insides have
really been up to snuff with the quality of the music preceding it
(save Mojave 3, whom i actually dig) on 4ad. i won't even mention
the Guernica acts...

it's really sad, because i used to sort of count on them (4ad) for,
like, 50% of my music and now the only acts i pay attention to are
Heidi Berry, Mojave, Lush and Dead Can Dance/Lisa Gerrard/Brendan
Perry, constituting about 5%. i try not to put too much faith in the
rumours (though i'm pretty furious about the recent RHP one) but it
really does seem like the label has lost or dismissed most of its
great attractors, at least for me.

i'm reluctant to call ivo an asshole, i don't know him personally.
but i would have to agree with elvia, i think, who used the term
'megalomaniacal'. it DOES, in all fairness, seem that way.
i'm also reluctant to say that all 4ad talent is dead, because i
don't think it is. however, when you take into consideration that
4ad and its groups put releases out rather infrequently, the fewer
the good bands, the fewer the reasons for label-devotion. i've been
sort of watching and not saying much for about three months now, but
has anyone noticed that the actual posts that are true 4ad acts are
pretty few and far between. i'm not saying this is bad, i really
like when people post about other groups but, shit, doesn't it seem
like there's a 4ad newsgroup (still) based on what the music USED to
sound like. i get the feeling that that's why other readers/posters
are here, but in reality there's not much more reason for a 4ad one
than a Fontana one (Catherine Wheel, Cocteau Twins, Curve [sort of])
or a Nightshift, or a Dedicated, or a Food one.

i'd love to see the group completely transform into one that covered
all of the 'european alternative'-type music, encompassing all of
that good stuff (please understand that when i say european
alternative i'm referring not only to european acts, but bands like
RHP or Breeders or American Music Club who don't sound like the
normal 'alternative music' of the u.s. (the whole Seattle thing and
that Ace Of Base-type bullshit.)) i'd be worried to start another
newsgroup for that purpose, however, as i'm sure it would inevitably
turn into the latter. crap.

ok, i've completely lost the plot now, so i suppose this... whatever
it was, is at an end. i guess originally i just wanted to hear other
poster/thislisties concur with me but i can't imagine anyone has
read this far. oh well.

peace love and squalor,
                       K-

p.s. if there is strict accuracy in the 4ad shitting on RHP thing
than 4ad has sunk WAY lower than i thought. personally, i find it
hard to believe, as i think einexile said, that 4ad could have been
looking out for another label's wellbeing, especially one as huge as
RCA. it's possible, i suppose, but i'm just not sure... i'm biased
by being such a huge fan of RHP's music and the quality of their
writing, but if i had the money (which i don't, i'm just a sad
college student) i would finance anything they (and the band
Lowlife, for that matter) ever wanted to do in the future.
oh well, again.

p.p.s. yes, i realize i've not properly capitalized nor
sentence-structured this post so, if you have to, find something
else to flame me for. hopefully no one will, though i have the
sneaking feeling someone will. bye for now...

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 19:32:56 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: HNIAQ&A


Must be a hidden track...

Neither US or UK version has that particular song on the back cover listed.

I'll have to throw each in the 'ole CD player and see if it spits out track
#17...

more to come!

-Blue
blubelknol@aol.com

"Know who you are at every age"  - CT

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:25:36 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: that wanker with the digests...


I don't know what to make of this. It looks like junk automail. I didn't
have the stomach to read much of it but it was in response to a message I
sent the root saying he should learn how to talk to a listserv before
becoming a system admin. *yawn* So whatever, but I thought you might be
interested to know.

        e, about to waste money on another vangelis cd...

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: 18 Jan 96 05:28:19 -0800
From: Root (Root@crystals.aloha.or.us)
Subject: 2 4AD-L Digest - 15 Jan 1996 to 16 Jan 1996



Hello einexile@netcom.com!

18 Jan 96, einexile@netcom.com writes to Mark Loofburrow:

 e> Learn to unsubscribe properly from a mailing list.

        When I took over the servicing of the:

        Username@[pxxx.]fxxx.n105.z1.fidonet.org domain back in September
        there were a number of sites and users that did not exist anymore
        that were still getting mail from listservers.

        The last Sysadmin just let the mail toss into a bit bucket as he
        got his feed via coax to a 'live' box on the internet. The only
        problem was that when someone took over a subdomain that had been
        used before, all the listserver mail bound for the old system was
        sent to the new system and owner. This did not fair well with the
        new owner(s).

        The new owner of f39.n105.z1.fidonet.org did not like getting
        Mr. Newmans mail. Mr. Newman has actualy _not_ been at that
        address for over *two years*.

        So I setup my mailer to bounce mail addressed to Mr Newman at the
        f39.n105.z1.fidonet.org address.

        Funny thing. Four out of the five mailing lists that were still
        coming to Mr Newman stopped within the first week leaving only
        the mailing list coming from American.edu. (they must have their
        mailservers configured properly to stop sending mail to bogus
        addresses)

        I logged/monitored the mail from American.edu for a few weeks looking
        for instructions on how to turn off the list. (most mailing list
        owners ether include instructions in every message or post
        instructions once a week or so)

        Since there was no instructions to be found, I emailed the sysadmin
        and root and American.edu asking them to turn off the mailing list.
        (at this point the mail had been bouncing back to American.edu for
        a month!) Not a word came from American.edu.

        I came across some new software (read bought) that would allow me to
        make a custom 'bounce' message on top of bounced mail.

        Now thankfully ether Mr Newmans address is finally removed from the
        American.edu mailing list and/or I have instructions to be able to
        remove it.


Mark - Sysop/Sysadmin GATE306/Crystals.aloha.or.us


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