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Subject: yet another quick note. . .
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 22:54:13 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: two things:
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 22:38:07 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: To read or not to read
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 22:33:31 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Bleak
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 22:34:24 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: mojave vs mojave 3
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 22:56:01 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU)
Subject: mojave 3 reviews
Date: 15/01/96 16:16
From: "Keith O'Leary" (KEITH_O'LEARY@NON-HP-UNITEDKINGDOM-OM2.OM.HP.COM)
Subject: shaving the pavement tour
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 01:10:04 -0800
From: lushmuse (lushmuse@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: D-uh Cocteau Format.....
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:01:25 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: more 4ad at starbucks
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 01:15:09 -0800
From: lushmuse (lushmuse@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: keeping you all in mind
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 03:52:46 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (TooPurist@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: D-uh Cocteau Format.....
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:15:27 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: shaving the pavement tour
Date: 16/01/96 09:10
From: "Keith O'Leary" (KEITH_O'LEARY@NON-HP-UNITEDKINGDOM-OM2.OM.HP.COM)
Subject: Re: mojave vs mojave 3
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 04:35:09 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Slowdive Morningrise CD
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 03:10:53 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: D-uh Cocteau Format.....
Date: 15 January 1996 09:27
From: 4ad recording artists list
Subject: New List: Slowdive & Mojave 3 Mailing List
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:30:00 +0100
From: Erik S|derstr|m (chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE)
Subject: American / UK Wolfgang differences
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 02:05:58 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: House Of Love
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:32:42 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Shaving the Pavement
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 07:51:39 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:12:53 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: This Mortal Coil
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 05:34:34 -0800
From: Hoa Ngo (hhngo@SFSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: House Of Love
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:11:11 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: D-uh Cocteau Format.....
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:18:42 -0500
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@DUQ2.CC.DUQ.EDU)
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:47:48 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Frank Black - live/Crushed
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:54:48 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:11:03 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:54:34 -0500
From: "J. Orr" (TheJorr@AOL.COM)
Subject: Bleah EPs [Re: keeping you all in mind]
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:54:24 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: D-uh Cocteau Format.....
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:47:14 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: 4AD UK Mail Order
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 23:32:00 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Frank Black - live/Crushed
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:27:57 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:22:23 +0100
From: Grant Goodes (ggo@CSD.CRI.DK)
Subject: Where is the archive?
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:55:08 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Message for Huite Rietveld only!!
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 00:13:05 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: BUY MY CRAP
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:53:14 -0600
From: goo goo goo joob (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Lilys "In The Presence Of Nothing"
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:04:28 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: ...some cranes(no 4ad)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:17:03 -0500
From: "J. Orr" (TheJorr@AOL.COM)
Subject: HoL HoL HoL all the time 'til you puke
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:56:57 -0500
From: "The Dutchman was dressed to impress..." (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: harmony rockets... some cranes(no 4ad)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:44:26 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: dreampop mailing list defunkt?
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:51:25 -0500
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD UK Mail Order
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:57:34 EST
From: Derek Innocent (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: 4AD question
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:08:45 -0800
From: Lab User (labuser@DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Where is the archive?
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:38:05 -0500
From: Erikas Aras Napjus (erikas+@CMU.EDU)

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 22:54:13 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: yet another quick note. . .


could someone give me subscribing info for drone-on?  now that mbv and
dreampop have gathered their skirts about their knees and run away, i need a
new place to talk about noise 'n' stuff.  that would be the next logical
choice, right?

thanks early,

BiZ

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 22:38:07 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: two things:


the first one is to plug bowery electric's s/t lp.  bought it last weekend,
and it's brilliant.

let it be in minneapolis has a large stock of slowdive eps (on vinyl).  the
ones i saw were slowdive, morningrise, 5ep, in mind remixes.  they also had
copies of ymmr and fmwyk by mbv.  you minneapolis listies may know this, but
just in case not, i thought i'd share.

any of you who are expecting cds/tapes/checks/etc from me, most of 'em will
be on their way tomorrow.  they've been ready for quite sometime, but when
i'm offline, i (wrongly) neglect my internet pals.

ok, so that was three things.  nobody's perfect.

BiZ


Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 22:33:31 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: To read or not to read


andrew norman wrote:

>>Life would be so much simpler if e could just write
>

liz/russ spewed forth:

>Is this a freudian slip or what?

and i reply:

is normie's quote in context (i honestly don't know)?  why do you feel the
need to flame e every time his name is mentioned?  i think we all get the
point.  you don't like him, and you don't like reading his posts.  add him
to your filter and get on with life, buddy, or so help me, i'll start a
little cabal of people who mention e in every post.  then you'll never be
able to leave your computer.

the androgynous one continued:

That is so true when you really think
>about it! IF (big fucking if) e COULD WRITE (with any amount of brevity,
>clarity, or meaning) life would be so much simpler.

and after a little thinking, i reply:

i don't think my life would be any simpler at all.  the bills would still
keep coming in, and my profs would keep teaching their classes, and i'd
still have deadlines to meet for work, so it actually wouldn't affect me all
that much.  please explain.

g'bye,

BiZ


Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 22:34:24 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Bleak


Hey,
        I'm considering buying Bleak's "Vane" with my next Projekt mail
order, when lovesliescrushing's "Xuvetyn" comes out, and I'm wondering if
anyone can tell me about it. I gathered that einexile doesn't like it,
and I wouldn't mind knowing exactly why, but does anyone else have input
about it? I really like Lycia a lot (although unbelievably, I have yet to
buy _The Burning Circle..._, but soon will), and the Darkwave catalog
description of Bleak being more the intense, "A Brief Glimpse" side of Lycia
sounds pretty damn good to me.

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 22:56:01 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: mojave vs mojave 3


einexile the meek pondered:

>If armed men appeared at your doorstep with a court order that your name
>be changed to Stupid Wanker, what would you want your fans to call you?


Possible alternatives

mojave u.k.
the london mojave
the english mojave beat
mo-HA-vee (sounds ok, but looks lousy in print)
slowdive, part deux

etc..

OK, now here's a question, why 3?  Is it one better than two?  Is it the
number of people in the band?  Is there a Mojave 2 somewhere?


Martin
mahoyt@uci.edu

P.S. Has anyone ever heard of the Mojave who caused this moniker change?


Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:18:41 +0000
From: "Keith O'Leary" (KEITH_O'LEARY@NON-HP-UNITEDKINGDOM-OM2.OM.HP.COM)
Subject: Re: mojave 3 reviews


Item Subject: mojave 3 reviews
     It's been out in the UK for some time.... If you liked Just for a day
     then this one's right up your street.

     Has anyone heard the Levis ad?(Babylon Zoo)

     K


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: mojave 3 reviews

Date: 15/01/96 16:16 hello all... i recently joined the 4ad list and i noticed that some people have already got copies of mojave 3's new album. i was wondering if some kind soul could e-mail me their review, opinions, etc. thanks. jason 00161068@bigred.unl.edu

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 01:10:04 -0800
From: lushmuse (lushmuse@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: shaving the pavement tour


hey everyone!

i'm surprised no one has written about this yet on the list.  i saw this
on the 4ad website.  there's going to be a us tour called the "shaving
the pavement tour" in april/may featuring lush, mojave 3, and
scheer...can't wait for this to happen!!

laters!

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:01:25 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: D-uh Cocteau Format.....

              15, 96 08:30:37 pm

Huite Rietveld  wrote:
 >
 > Normally the D stands for limited edition. There's not a CAD D
 > 807 listed.  I do remember reading somewhere Blue Bell Knoll LP
 > initially was released in a gatefold sleeve, though it carried
 > the same CAD 807 number.
 >
 > Can anybody confirm this? Frank?

Can I be frank?  I don't know about the catalogue number, but I have the
gatefold vinyl "Blue Bell Knoll" - it's pretty much the same artwork
(blurry fingers, etc), and my copy has accumulated a lot of grime over
the years - it's that variety of white card which has an amazing ability
to suck newsprint off your hands.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 16/01/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/NORMAN.HTM
Bob Dylan - compilation

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 01:15:09 -0800
From: lushmuse (lushmuse@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: more 4ad at starbucks


hey again!

we got a new in-store tape a few days ago and it has a few 4ad artists
on this one:
1.heidi berry: miracle
2.dead can dance: saltarello
3.lisa gerrard: largo
5.air miami: seabird
6.this mortal coil: song to the siren

i think that's about it...but it also has the innocence mission (bright
as yellow), sarah maclachlan, natalie merchant, the smiths, and a lot of
others i don't remember.

laters!

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 03:52:46 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (TooPurist@AOL.COM)
Subject: keeping you all in mind


Hi -

Just came back from NYC - saw a better-than-ever Moonshake (without Moose's
drummer, but with Katherine "Stereolab(tm) One-Note Organ Method" Gifford.
Woo-hoo!)

An absolutely riveting show with nary a guitar in sight! You have to hear
(see?) the series of effects used on the saxophone! Dave Callahan was in fine
form as well, hypnotic and mesmerizing with his gritty innercity-blues rants
- like a snake-charmer who knows that has total control over his serpentine
friend. The new album should be coming out on C/Z Records in April. Look for
a single, "Cranes", sometime soon. The opening band, Very Pleasant Neighbor,
were worth keeping an eye on as well:quality moody noise pop in an MBV/Helium
vein.

Found a few rare items that might be of list interest. Anyone looking for
these? :

>A.C. TEMPLE (Chris "Spoonfed Hybrid" Trout's band)
 Blowtorch(including "Songs of Praise" mini-LP) CD FU6 UK 1988
 Sourpuss CD BlastFirst UK 45 1989

>BLEACH - compilation (two EPs... "Eclipse" & "Snag") - Artlos/Way Cool GER
RAT 012 CD
 (dipping/seeing/bethesda/burning/wipe it away/decadence/crimson 'o')

>CHIMERA - Ellis Bleeds EP (ellis bleeds/push/slow burn(reprise)) - Flute 03
CD 1993

...and I still have these, too:

 Big Hat - Selena at My Window
 The Glee Club - Mine
 The Nightblooms - s/t
 Rose Chronicles - Shiver

If you're interested in any of the above discs, just e-mail me
(TooPurist@AOL.com)

Thanks for the time and space. Continue'um.  :)

GuerillaG

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:15:27 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: D-uh Cocteau Format.....


>>It's the code for a DCC - Digital Compact Cassette...I much prefer MiniDisc
>>myself, but I think both formats are pretty much dead at this point...
>>CJ
>
>Wait a minute... Blue Bell Knoll is available in DAT-format, listed as CAD
>807 T on the package and as CAD T 807 CD in the catalogue. This is not a DCC.
>
>Normally the D stands for limited edition. There's not a CAD D 807 listed.
>I do remember reading somewhere Blue Bell Knoll LP initially was released in a
>gatefold sleeve, though it carried the same CAD 807 number.
>
>Can anybody confirm this? Frank?
>
>Cheerio,
>
>Huite
>

'D' is indeed a code for DAT and not for DCC. 4AD never issued a DCC, at
least not in the UK, maybe in Japan(??).
The reason they use a 'D' in the catalogue and not 'DAT' is a very practical
one I think: DAT wouldn't in that little circle they use to indicate the
formats! By the way, the 'D' can't be found in the pricelist. I suppose they
are free :)

And yes, the 'Blue Bell Knoll' LP initially was released in a gatefold
sleeve. Cat.# CAD 807. No extra 'D's or whatever.

Frank


++++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++++


Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:54:35 +0000
From: "Keith O'Leary" (KEITH_O'LEARY@NON-HP-UNITEDKINGDOM-OM2.OM.HP.COM)
Subject: Re: shaving the pavement tour


Item Subject: shaving the pavement tour
     Will this include Europe?
     K


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: shaving the pavement tour

Date: 16/01/96 09:10 hey everyone! i'm surprised no one has written about this yet on the list. i saw this on the 4ad website. there's going to be a us tour called the "shaving the pavement tour" in april/may featuring lush, mojave 3, and scheer...can't wait for this to happen!! laters!

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 04:35:09 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: mojave vs mojave 3


It's possible the moniker was chosen off the cuff, and it's also possible
it was chosen to generate amusing conversations like this one. Sort of
like the time James Joyce was asked why he made Finnegan's Wake so
incomprehensibly obscure, he frankly said, "I wanted to keep critics busy
for the next 300 years."

Martin


Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 03:10:53 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Slowdive Morningrise CD


How much are these suckers going for?  I've got an extra one (new) and
I've decided to sell it. . .

Mike

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:01:00 +0000
From: Nick Hill (NHill@MSMAIL.CSL.GPT.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: D-uh Cocteau Format.....


This format is a DAT (Digital Audio Tape).  This I think was the only one
that 4AD have released.

Nick
 ----------
From: 4ad recording artists list
Subject: D-uh Cocteau Format.....

Date: 15 January 1996 09:27 I was looking through the 4AD catalogue (valid to June 1994) and I saw something that sorta confused me. I'm sure this query will make me look a tad retarded, because I'm sure the answer is obvious. Blue Bell Knoll is listed as having 4 formats viz, CD, MC , LP and D. What is this D? It is the only offering in the whole catalogue having this format. Put me out of my misery.... Chris

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:30:00 +0100
From: Erik S|derstr|m (chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE)
Subject: New List: Slowdive & Mojave 3 Mailing List


                                   AVALYN
                    The Slowdive & Mojave 3 mailing list

    After noticing that there were a lot of people looking for a Slowdive
    mailing list, I've been thinking of starting one for a while, and
    well, here it is, including Mojave 3, for obvious reasons. :-)

    The Slowdive & Mojave 3 mailing list was made to cater for the
    discussions about the (no longer active) Creation band Slowdive
    and the (active) 4AD band Mojave 3 from the UK, as well as being
    a distribution list for the Internet Slowdive and Mojave 3
    Discographies.

        To subscribe to the Live version of the list, e-mail:
        avalyn-request@lysator.liu.se, with the subject "Subscribe".

    Digests will be made, not in a daily manner, but rather when the
    size of collected messages from the live list reach about 40-45k.
    Please note that the digests will not include the Discographies,
    due to the large size of them.

        To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, e-mail:
        avalyn-request@lysator.liu.se, with the subject "Subscribe Digest".

  Hope to see you on the list!
  //Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se)

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 02:05:58 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: American / UK Wolfgang differences


I just received the Amercian promo for "A Girl Like You" (thanks Mike).
It clearly states that the song is from the upcoming "Queer" LP. I have the UK
version of this LP (limited edition with the Mama and Sucker 12"s). It doesn't
have A girl like you on it. Did this appear on the American edition, or did 4Ad
change their minds for all editions?

Chris
Exiled in Africa

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:32:42 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: House Of Love

              <10866.199601120905@hawk.le.ac.uk>

Andrew Norman wrote:

>The House of Love were awesome when they
>got it right ("Christine", "Shine On"), and abysmal when they got it
>wrong ("Destroy the Heart").

Oh but Andrew, you must know you kicking against general public opinion if
you don't like "Destroy the Heart".  I reckon it might come top in a poll
of people's favorite HoL tunes (certainly topped Peel's festive fifty one
year).

One of my best ever gig going experiences was HoL doing "Love in a Car" at,
I think, the Kilburn National.  Absolutely wonderful.  For a short while,
we were blessed with two great guitarists in Terry Bickers and John Squire.
Look what's happened to them now.

Simon Hughes


Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 07:51:39 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Shaving the Pavement


Ayone know when and if Toronto has been scheduled
for the Lush tour?

Just wondering

Steve

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:12:53 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences




The US version of the CD features different cover pics (same style but colors
and shots vary), has a number of deleted samples, and contains 3 extra
which I believe is different from the ltd. UK version).

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 05:34:34 -0800
From: Hoa Ngo (hhngo@SFSU.EDU)
Subject: This Mortal Coil


I'm currently putting together a TMC page at:

userwww.sfsu.edu/~hhngo/tmc/This.Mortal.Coil.html

I invite you all to stop by, take a look, and PLEASE offer suggestions
for I am running out of material to add.


Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:11:11 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: House Of Love


Simon Hughes wrote:

> Andrew Norman wrote:
>
> >The House of Love were awesome when they
> >got it right ("Christine", "Shine On"), and abysmal when they got it
> >wrong ("Destroy the Heart").
>
More or less the only three songs I can remeber by them

> Oh but Andrew, you must know you kicking against general public opinion if
> you don't like "Destroy the Heart".  I reckon it might come top in a poll
> of people's favorite HoL tunes (certainly topped Peel's festive fifty one
> year).
>
> One of my best ever gig going experiences was HoL doing "Love in a Car" at,
> I think, the Kilburn National.  Absolutely wonderful.  For a short while,
> we were blessed with two great guitarists in Terry Bickers and John Squire.
> Look what's happened to them now.
>
I was dragged to see them at Kilburn by my ex some time ago, only
really liking a few songs and was totally amazed. A superb show.

Richard



Richard Clemens, Centre Officer
Department of Construction & Surveying
University College Salford, Salford M6 6PU, UK

"          "  Anon

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:18:42 -0500
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@DUQ2.CC.DUQ.EDU)
Subject: Re: D-uh Cocteau Format.....


> >I'm sure the answer is obvious. Blue Bell Knoll is listed as having 4
> formats viz, CD,
> >MC , LP and D. What is this D? It is the only offering in the whole catalogue
> >having this format.

For what it's worth (speaking of formats) I saw that the recent (Fontana)
EPs (Twinlights & Otherness) are available on DCC in Germany. They're
listed in CD.Europe.

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:47:48 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences


>
>I just received the Amercian promo for "A Girl Like You" (thanks Mike).
>It clearly states that the song is from the upcoming "Queer" LP. I have the
>UK
>version of this LP (limited edition with the Mama and Sucker 12"s). It
>doesn't
>have A girl like you on it. Did this appear on the American edition, or did
>4Ad
>change their minds for all editions?
>
>Chris
>Exiled in Africa
>
>

To my understanding, "A Girl Like You" was recorded after the UK release of
Queer, and seeing that they wouldn't have another full-length releasefor
quite some time, TWP decided to release it as a CD single in the Uk along
with the full-length US release which didn't come for sometime...perhaps
months... after the UK release of Queer.  As was "Angel" and "Sucker m.f.",
which is pretty kewl. (i.e. it ROX!) 

There are also many other minor differences between the US and UK versions as
well.  At first, you notice that the artwork is changed around, (i.e. the
front cover on the UK version is now the back of the insert for the US
version - and vice versa).  The sound samples in the songs vary as well.  on
"Honey Tree", at the beginning of the UK version, there is an unmistakable
sample of Depeche Mode's "Blasphemous Rumours" (6 or 7 notes me thinks) and
continues on through the song with just a 4 (?) note sample.  On the US
version, all you notice, is the 4 note sample throughout the song, which is
hard to place without hearing the 7 note intro ala the UK version.  I think
Mute didn't have a problem with TWP sampling Depeche in the UK, but when it
came to the US release, SIRE didn't appreciate it as much and they (TWP) had
to cut out the unmistakable 7 note intro.

The UK "Louis XIV" also has some different voice samples in there from the US
version.  It sounds like the lines are from a movie I've seen before, but I
can't place it.  Anyone??  The lines sampled in each song are the same, but
with different actors (or whatever).  In addition, I think "Birmingham" has
some subtle differences as well.

Bored yet?

-Blue
blubelknol@aol.com

"Know who you are at every age" - CT


Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:54:48 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Frank Black - live/Crushed


Anyone out there seen Mr Black playing live at all recently. I keep
reading mixed reviews of the new recorded stuff, but I really want to
know what he sounds like live. I haven't seen him since the Pixies
last UK tour. Whatever your comments I have my ticket for the 31 jan
for Manchester.

Further to my note regarding the gig the local band Crushed were to
do last Friday just to report that it was a roaring success. PJ
Bells, now called Repblic[a] and with its door round the back, were
obviously impressed as Mr Bell asked them back after the sound check.
So anyone in the Manchester area is interested keep your eyes open as
they will be playing again with in a month or two at Republic[a] and
probably in March at the Roadhouse if Lobe get them a support or not.

And finally thanks to e for the birthday greetings - at least someone
out there cares!

Richard

Richard Clemens, Centre Officer
Department of Construction & Surveying
University College Salford, Salford M6 6PU, UK

"          "  Anon


Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:11:03 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences


Blue asks:
>The UK "Louis XIV" also has some different voice samples in there from the US
>version.  It sounds like the lines are from a movie I've seen before, but I
>can't place it.  Anyone??

Supposedly from the Steve Martin film "The Man With Two Brains". That's
the answer that came up when this was asked before, but I can't confirm
as I haven't seen the film.

I think I should add stuff about "Queer" to the FAQ. Thanks for the
summary!

"Sucker MF" is an excellent remix by the way, much harder than the
original, and worth hunting down for UK TWP fans. And speaking of
remixes, I haven't heard much mention of the "Time" EP, which contains
three techno remixes of "A Question Of Time", done by the band, that are
just fabulous. As a great in-joke the first one makes good use of the
clock chime from Pink Floyd's "Time" (from "Dark Side Of the Moon".)

__________
Jens Alfke  __________________
            jens@mooseyard.com
                          _______________________________________________
                         "Ten, sir," said the tensor.
                          Tension, apprehension and dissention have begun.


Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:54:34 -0500
From: "J. Orr" (TheJorr@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences


from Jens Alfke---

> "Sucker MF" is an excellent remix by the way, much harder than the
original,
> and worth hunting down for UK TWP fans.

Is this the same version that's on the first _Volume_ compilation?  I believe
it is, but my copy of V1 is about 500 miles away from me at the moment.

And hello again to all the listies - I'm back, if only temporarily.

---Jeremy  formerly jeremy@gxl.woodtech.com,
                             currently putting money in Steve Case's wallet.
                             I'm sure he needs it more than I do.

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:54:24 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Bleah EPs [Re: keeping you all in mind]


Gil  mentions he has for sale:
>>BLEACH - compilation (two EPs... "Eclipse" & "Snag") - Artlos/Way Cool GER
>RAT 012 CD
> (dipping/seeing/bethesda/burning/wipe it away/decadence/crimson 'o')

I have to plug this, Bleach being old faves of mine (as those who were
here in '91-'92 can attest.) Bleach's first two EPs are excellent
noisepop with a really angry, dark edge; somewhat like early Lush crossed
with Joy Division and "Garlands". The (female) singer can do the ethereal
coo thing but also uses a scornful, ranting voice with overtones of Mark
E. Smith. "Burn" is probably my favorite -- slow pounding drums, faster
tambourine, droning strummed bass straight off of "Closer" and this mass
of flanged guitar noise, mostly not resolvable into any kind of notes,
phase-shifting in and out while Salli spits out "stupid fuck / gonna make
you burn..." A good antidote to the saccharine tendencies of too much of
the genre.

These EPs and their "Killing Time" album are definitely some of my
favorite shoegazer/dreampop/whatever stuff. Drop Gil a line and buy this
puppy!


On the other hand:
> Rose Chronicles - Shiver
The worst kind of adolescent Lush/Ride knockoff with lyrics even sappier
than Liz Fraser's recent output. Avoid like the plague. Someone needs to
do Gil a favor and take this klunker off his hands but it ain't gonna be
me.

__________
Jens Alfke  __________________
            jens@mooseyard.com
                          _______________________________________________
                         "Ten, sir," said the tensor.
                          Tension, apprehension and dissention have begun.

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:47:14 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Re: D-uh Cocteau Format.....


FOR YOU.
>Huite Rietveld  wrote:
> >
> > Normally the D stands for limited edition. There's not a CAD D
> > 807 listed.  I do remember reading somewhere Blue Bell Knoll LP
> > initially was released in a gatefold sleeve, though it carried
> > the same CAD 807 number.
> >
> > Can anybody confirm this? Frank?
>
>Can I be frank?

Hey buddy! Why don't you fucking knock it off! What are you trying to do,
upset the listies? Don't you understand? Attempts to be humorous only
confuse them. So just butt out and let FRANK answer the damn question.
Okay?

 ==================== =======================================================
|                    |  "When the rainy season comes I hang my head          |
|  Russell           |   For all the things that I have seen and done        |
|  russellm@         |   and sung and said                                   |
|  xmission.com      |   And when my tears are dry, I hold my head up high   |
|                    |   and feel the rain"      -Rainy Season, Roddy Frame  |
 ==================== =======================================================


Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 23:32:00 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: 4AD UK Mail Order


I just recieved the Additions/deletions sheet for 4AD as well as the Mail
Order Subscription Form.

I have TWO questions :

Will 4AD send me EVERY  new stuff on CD (this being the format I prefer) from
january 96 to the date I cancel my subsciption? Does his include Cd singles?

Sorry to bother you guys but IT IS a great deal of money since I live in Mexico.


Pepe Garcia Camil

pepegtc@halcon.laguna.ual.mx


Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:27:57 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Frank Black - live/Crushed


        I saw Frank last February at the Underground in Santa Barbara.
The playing is very energetic and the volume loud, much more so than on the
albums (the volume, that is). He has a kind of contempt for the audience
that you might notice. For instance, when he first took the stage at the
show I was at, he walked right up to the mic and started mumbling
nonsense, and everyone cheered as if he were really saying something.
Another funny thing is, the "encore" consisted of only one song (Hostess
With The Mostest), then he decided that was all he was going to do, and
stalked offstage, drawing vilification from the crowd. He puts on a good
show, though.

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:22:23 +0100
From: Grant Goodes (ggo@CSD.CRI.DK)
Subject: Re: American / UK Wolfgang differences


> The UK "Louis XIV" also has some different voice samples in
> there from the US version.  It sounds like the lines are
> from a movie I've seen before, but I can't place it.
> Anyone??  The lines sampled in each song are the same, but
> with different actors (or whatever).

The movie is, of course, "The Man with Two Brains" (I
believe there's a thank-you in the credits).  Very cool
sample, and the pale imitation of the US-version samples (I
think done by the band) are what made me trade in my
original US copy for a Canadian (same as UK).

grant.. (TWP fanatic in hidding).

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:55:08 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Where is the archive?


Is 4AD-L continuing to be archived?  I no longer recall the address of
the former remailer, and nothing is available at ftp.american.edu.

Any help would be appreciated.


Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 00:13:05 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Message for Huite Rietveld only!!


Huite,

Ik ben je adres kwijt dus doe ik het zo maar even. Ik heb een vraag over een
Wim Mertens promo CD, en aangezien hij op Crepuscule zit en jullie dat label
ook distribueren in Nederland, kun je me misschien verder helpen (of mooier
nog eraan helpen). Ik heb Joelle Dagry van Crepuscule in Brussel gebeld,
maar die bleek niets van deze promo te weten. Misschien is het meer een PIAS
promotie 'device' en niet zozeer een Crepuscule CD.

Het gaat om een promo CD voor 'Gave van Niets', de 10-CD set die november
vorig jaar is gereleased. Nu heb ik deze info alleen van via via maar er
schijnt een promo CD the zijn (TWI 1003P ??) met daarop excerpts van die 10
CD's. Ik neem aan dat hij is gemaakt omdat het een beetje kostbaar wordt om
10 CDsets naar recensenten ed. te zenden. Ik weet niet, ik gok maar.

In ieder geval: weet jij iets van deze CD? En, als jullie er nog 1 hebben
rondzwerven, zou ik daar dan voor in aanmerking kunnen komen? Eventuele
kosten vergoed ik, dat spreekt van zelf.

Bij voorbaat dank voor je hulp.

Frank Brinkhuis
++++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++++

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:53:14 -0600
From: goo goo goo joob (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: BUY MY CRAP


THIS LIST WILL ONLY BE POSTED ONCE.

srilank@aol.com, if he's still out there, gets first choice on everything
and free postage. no i'm not kidding.

help me save up for a jaguar and put my piece-of-shit washburn back in a
pawn shop where it belongs.

this post should be 72 columns/characters wide or whatever; if it looks
like crap, email me and i'll send you a different version.

--CD's that may be of interest:
--Goldie - Timeless 2cd limited edition (i paid $38 for it, now it's    $30)
--Alien Community 1 & 2 (FAXUSA) -                                      $11
--Secret Life of Trance III (RISING HIGH, 2cd, first track on CD1
--scratched) - $10
--Disco Inferno - Second Language CD5 (Rough Trade)                     $6
--The Beloved - Conscience (Atlantic)                                   $6
--V/A - Caroline Sampler Spring '93 w/revolver, walt mink, dim stars,
--snatches of pink, and drop nineteens                                  $3
--Front 242 - Official Version 1986-87 (Epic promo)                     $5
--Recoil - Faith Healer cdsingle                                        $5
--Roger Waters - Amused To Death (Columbia)                             $5
--The Smiths - "This Charming Man" CD5 (Sire promo)                     $5
--The Smiths - "This Charming Man" CD5 (Sire promo)                     $5
--XTC - Nonsuch (Geffen)                                                $5
--Gene - Sleep Well Tonight 2-track promo (Polydor)                     $3
--Gene - 5-track promo for olympian                                     $5
--Throwing Muses - Shimmer 1-song promo (4ad/WB 7566)                   $4
--The Wolfgang Press - Going South 1 song promo (4ad/WB 7497)           $4
--The Innocence Mission - Glow (promo)                                  $7
--Madder Rose - The Love You Save (promo)                               $4
--Screaming Trees - Sweet Oblivion                                      $5
--V/A - Just Say Yes Vol.V (Just Say Anything)                          $5
--Morrissey - You're the One For Me, Fatty CD5 (EMI)                    $6
--Loop Guru - Duniya (import)                                           $12
--Loop Guru - The Third Chamber (import)                                $12
--Luna - Penthouse (promo)                                              $6
--Liquorice - Listening Cap (promo)                                     $8
--Closedown - Nearfield                                                 $7
--Guided By Voices - Bee Thousand                                       $6
--V/A - Ruby Trax 3xCD (nme's 40th anniv.)              make me an offer
--
--Morrissey Singles Box Set (it's something out of 3500 or 5000; i have to
--find which box it is in to see), near mint condition, three new jewelboxes
--- $80ppd
--
--
--Velocette - Microcosmik EP (Reflective)                               $4
--Chuck Phulasole - The Jonezin EP (+8)                                 $2
--Tricky - "Ponderosa" (promo)                                          $3
--Orb - Pomme Fritz (Island)                                            $7
--V/A - Septic Cuts (Sabrettes; Sabres of P. compilation)               $5
--Loop Guru - Duniya (Nation)                                           $10
--Grid - Figure of Eight (Virgin)                                       $3
--Orbital "Are We Here?" 2x12" (ffrr)                                   $5
--Wolfgang Press - Going South (4ad/WB promo)                           $12
--La Funk Mob - "Tribulations Extra Sensorielles" 2x12" (Mo'Wax)        $10
--B12 - Electro-Soma (Warp; orange double vinyl; sleeve wear)           $15
--Sun Electric - Kitchen (R&S; limited edition with bonus 12")          $20
--4Voice - "Eternal Spirit" (FAX)                                       $10
--4Voice - "Fairlight" (FAX)                                            $10
--Escape - "Escape to Polaris" (FAX)                                    $10
--
--rolling stone magazine with belly on the cover - $3
--'cake' promo t-shirt - $5
--

--Friends of Dean Martin[ez] - The Shadow of Your Smile (Sub Pop promo;
--originally says 'martin,' not martinez)                               $4
--Number One Cup - Possum Trot Plan (Flydaddy promo)                    $4
--Duran Duran - Duran Duran (Capitol)                                   $4
--Singles OST                                                           $5
--Luscious Jackson - In Search of Manny EP (oop)                        $4
--The Colgate Thirteen - Flags                                          $3
--Mixed Company - Vertical Hold                                         $3
--Reality Bites OST                                                     $5
--Chris Whitley - Din of Ecstasy (promo)                                $5
--General Public - Rub It Better (promo)                                $3
--Spencer Lewis - Gardener's Rain                                       $3
--Viva Saturn - Brightside (promo)                                      $3
--Big Audio Dynamite - Megatop Phoenix                                  $3
--Big Audio Dynamite - No. 10 Upping Street                             $3
--Schoenberg - Chamber Music                                            $5
--Stone Temple Pilots - Core                                            $4
--Alice In Chains - Jar of Flies ep                                     $3
--Alice In Chains - Dirt                                                $5
--Just Say Yes vol. 1-4                                                 $3 each
--Clash - Story of the Clash Vol.1 (2cd)                                $10
--Moist - Silver                                                        $3
--

--also, everyone who buys something will get some kind of small gift with it.
--i have old magazines from spy to option to guitar world, cassette labels,
--empty cd cases, new pens and pencils i probably wouldn't use until i was
--40, basically things i have too much of that people could either use or
--look at, smirk, and throw away. i feel like being silly like that.
--anyway, have a smurfy day,
--.j.

---
joroses@mail.utexas.edu                http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~joanna
andover '94
-
Syndicated columnist Dave Barry says that "those weird string of letters
that have started showing up everywhere in newspaper stories,
advertisements, TV shows, etc., the ones that look like
http//www/clamsucker.doo.wah"  are "code instructions to Dan Rather from
his home planet."


Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:04:28 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Lilys "In The Presence Of Nothing"


A few months back I recall mention of the Lilys' essential album "In The
Presence Of Nothing" being out of print. I was just checking Parasol's
web page and their December 16th update claims they have it back in
stock. You can reach them at:


or


for the update itself. The description reads:

Lilys  In The Presence Of Nothing  PS, US Beautiful release from 1992
back in stock. MBV fans who haven't heard this one should check it out.
Slumberland-20  CD  14.25

Buy buy buy! A shoegazer classic, much in the MBV vein but with its own
distinct sound.

__________
Jens Alfke  __________________
            jens@mooseyard.com
                          _______________________________________________
                         "Ten, sir," said the tensor.
                          Tension, apprehension and dissention have begun.

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:17:03 -0500
From: "J. Orr" (TheJorr@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: ...some cranes(no 4ad)


---from alan:

> one thing that may be of interest to cranes fans is a promotional
> only, limited to 2000 copies cd single for 'tomorrow's tears'.  i had
> never seen this before, but a guy at their label, bmg, sent it to me
> a few months back.  he said it was fairly rare.  i can't remember
> the b-sides, but there are three of them and an interview.

I saw this disc used once in Dallas, and the b-sides are the same as those on
the Dedicated version of the EP: "Casa Blanca", "Sixth of May" (same as on
_Wings_of_Joy_), and "Dreamless".  "Casa Blanca" is a great song, one of my
favorites by them.  "Dreamless" is one of their more atonal pieces, but still
pretty good.

---Jeremy  "Who's he?  Is he famous?"
                            "I don't know...he's on TV, isn't he?"

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:56:57 -0500
From: "The Dutchman was dressed to impress..." (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: HoL HoL HoL all the time 'til you puke


>BTW, the official reason for the break up was that Pete Evans,
>the drummer was leaving the music biz.  I still haven't heard anything
>from Guy's project "The Madonnas".

I read a none-too-enthusiastic live review that described them as HoL gone
AOR (but then the British music press were pretty down on Chadwick and co
towards the end anyway). No releases as far as I know.

>House of Love - self/titled Creation album
>                (w/original Shine On, Christine, Love In A Car)
>
>                Great indie pop!  Lots of youth and emotion, and
>                some great songwriting.  Nice 2nd guitar from
>                Terry Bickers.           ^^^^

Nice, yet occasionally nicely insane (as on "Hope" and "Touch Me")

>House of Love - self-titled (Creation singles compilation)-German only release
>                (w/early Creation singles/b-sides, 2 unreleased songs)
>
>                Less polished indie pop, but still great.  This
>                has the two "lost" b-sides from what was intended to
>                be their 5th Creation single "Safe", but was later
>                shelved.

"Safe" later turned up on "A Spy...", btw

8House of Love - self-titled (Babe Rainbow cover)
>                (w/Feel, Crush Me)
>
>                This one is as highly produced as the Butterfly album,
>                but they went for a more organic, 60's-retro feel.
>                Overall the songs are quite good, but some are a
>                bit overindulgent.
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes. They're all quite long songs, sometimes too much so (e.g. "Cruel" which
goes on forever in George Harrison mode). But the segues are nice. "Wildly
ambitious" would be a good overall description.

>House of Love - Audience with the Mind
>
>                Supposedly recorded in 3 weeks, like their debut
>                album.  It features the main trio of Guy, Chris
>                and Pete Evans with an occasional guest guitarist.
>                I believe this album was knocked out quickly to
>                fulfill their commitment to Fontana, and it shows.
>                Also has a song sung by Chris (the bass player) which
>                is not very good.

Actually, *two* by Chris, and they're not exactly terrible either. But
perhaps they were an indication that Guy was reaching a creative low ebb (as
well as new heights in the iffy lyrics department).

Basically, buy whatever you can get your hands on, concentrating on the
earlier stuff. Some of the singles from Babe Rainbow are worth tracking down
too (good b-sides, interesting cover versions).

Larry, perennial bringer-upper of HoL

on now: Cluster II

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:44:26 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: harmony rockets... some cranes(no 4ad)


hello,

i've been desperately looking for a cd by harmony rockets.  for those that did
not know and may be interested, harmony rockets and mercury rev are the same
band.  they released their only disc a few months ago, and for some reason it
has already been deleted.  can anyone help me find two copies of this disc?
i'll send cash or trade.  one thing that may be of interest to cranes fans is a
promotional only, limited to 2000 copies cd single for 'tomorrow's tears'.
i had never seen this before, but a guy at their label, bmg, sent it to me a
few months back.  he said it was fairly rare.  i can't remember the b-sides,
but there are three of them and an interview.  i'm happy to part with it for a
copy of the harmony rockets.

thanks,
alan
alan@msai.mea.com

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:51:25 -0500
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: dreampop mailing list defunkt?



Anyone know what happened to the dreampop mailing list?
The one hosted by netcom.com?

I'm willing to take it over, and if I'm not mistaken
the list owner is subbed to 4AD as well....

If you are or you know the list owner,
send me private email okay?
I searched some Web mailing list databases
but came up dry on who the owner/admin is....

Thanks,
-B
=====================================================
                                    Brendon Macaraeg
               http://www.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~brendonm
   "Paranoia is often an extreme hightened awareness"


Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:57:34 EST
From: Derek Innocent (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD UK Mail Order


>I just recieved the Additions/deletions sheet for 4AD as well as the Mail
>Order Subscription Form.
>
>I have TWO questions :
>
>Will 4AD send me EVERY  new stuff on CD (this being the format I prefer) from
>january 96 to the date I cancel my subsciption? Does his include Cd singles?
>
>Sorry to bother you guys but IT IS a great deal of money since I live in
Mexico.
>
>
>Pepe Garcia Camil

Answer - yes to both questions. If you tick CDs only, that's precisely what
you'll get. If you tick CDs preferred, you will get that + any vinyl releases
not issued on CD (eg the rumoured series of ltd edition 10" eps)

- Dez

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:08:45 -0800
From: Lab User (labuser@DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: 4AD question


Is Tsunami on 4AD now that liqourice is a label member???  How did Jenny
toomey wind up on 4AD?  Also, is the collaboration between Ian Masters
and Warren Defever, Esp Summer, going to be a 4AD release???


Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:38:05 -0500
From: Erikas Aras Napjus (erikas+@CMU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Where is the archive?


Excerpts from internet.listserv.4ad-l: 16-Jan-96 Where is the archive?
by Darryl Stephen Roy@OWLNE
> Is 4AD-L continuing to be archived?  I no longer recall the address of
> the former remailer, and nothing is available at ftp.american.edu.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.

If you can put up with terrible formatting, occasional missing
information, and my total inability to write a program which correctly
computes the date, you can try my experimental archive at:


It runs back to November, 1994 (more or less, slightly more less). Much
to my amazement, a few web crawlers have also indexed the whole damned
thing, so you can often find prolific posters to 4ad-l located there via
web searches.

--- Erikas


erikas@evo.org, last updated by Eyesore Automation on 2-16-1996