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Subject: King of Sweet
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 23:56:24 -0600
From: Salome (lnvoigt@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Chains Changed EP
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:53:11 -0400
From: ash (ash@dhp.com)
Subject: D-uh Cocteau Format.....
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 22:09:22 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: 4ad catalogue
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:06:54 +0200
From: Jaax Lawson (jaax@ARIA3.LYON.ARCHI.FR)
Subject: replies i owe PLUS hate dept. & the InDustReal genre...
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 04:45:17 -0800
From: snowangel (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Chains Changed EP
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:55:38 +0100
From: Andre.van.Leeuwen@CWI.NL
Subject: Throwing Muses : New Album!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:22:13 +0100
From: snailhead (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: mojave 3 reviews
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:16:20 -0600
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Amps and Aurobindo
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:53:32 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Cocteau titles
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:50:29 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: House of Love!!^2
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:39:27 -0800
From: "Chris.Hanks" (luna@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: House of Love!!
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:03:00 -0800
From: "Chris.Hanks" (luna@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Re: D-uh Cocteau Format.....
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:52:14 +0100
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: D-uh Cocteau Format.....
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:55:25 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: D-uh Cocteau Format.....
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 20:30:37 +0100
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Chains Changed EP
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:46:50 -0500
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: star vs king
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:23:07 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: mojave vs mojave 3
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:41:31 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: i ix ix v best ov; beware: big
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:37:40 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject:
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 23:04:24 -0500
From: susan@ACS.BU.EDU

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 23:56:24 -0600
From: Salome (lnvoigt@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: King of Sweet


Could someone please fill me in on the details of His Name is Alive's "King
Of Sweet"?  How rare is it, how much does it sell for?  I've seen 'limitied
to 2000 copies' printed on it, is this accurate?  All information ever so
greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:53:11 -0400
From: ash (ash@dhp.com)
Subject: Re: Chains Changed EP


Tony PERSOGLIA wrote:
>
> I understand that this EP was never released on CD by 4AD, so I
> gather it is only available on vinyl or cassette. Does anyone
> actually have any idea how many copies were pressed. I have yet to
> see it anywhere and am wondering how rare this actually is.
>
> Appreciate any info. Thanks guys.
>
> ----------------------------------------
>  Kristin says: "The Rabbit's Dying"
>  Tony says: "The Rabbit's Dead Kristin"
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Tony Persoglia
> tonyp@cobus.bf.rmit.edu.au
> Melbourne, Australia

howdy tony,

actually, the 'chains changed' ep was released on cd at one point,
on a japanese compilation disc called 87, that contained five
different (full) ep's by 4ad bands, those bands being throwing
muses, the wolfgang press (big sex ep), a.r. kane (lolita ep), marrs
(pump up the volume ep) & frazier chorus (sloppy heart ep).
although i haven't seen the japanese cd since i bought it back in 88
i still see the vinyl of 'chains changed' every so often at used
records stores (here in yucky pittsburgh.) perhaps the reason i
still see it is that people don't know what decent music is (the
radio stations all blow here.) god knows when i lived in la a few
years back it was getting pretty tough finding it, however.
sorry, no idea how many were pressed.
hope you find it. if you exhaust your other options then let me know
and i'll try to find you one here.

peace love and squalor,
                       K-

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 22:09:22 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: D-uh Cocteau Format.....


I was looking through the 4AD catalogue (valid to June 1994) and I saw something
that sorta confused me. I'm sure this query will make me look a tad retarded, be
ause
I'm sure the answer is obvious. Blue Bell Knoll is listed as having 4 formats vi
, CD,
MC , LP and D. What is this D? It is the only offering in the whole catalogue
having this format.

Put me out of my misery....
Chris


Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:06:54 +0200
From: Jaax Lawson (jaax@ARIA3.LYON.ARCHI.FR)
Subject: 4ad catalogue


Hi !!
 Just wanted to know if someone knows the adress where I can get the 4AD
catalogue.
thanx.      Jaax


Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 04:45:17 -0800
From: snowangel (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: replies i owe PLUS hate dept. & the InDustReal genre...


  or, for those of you who like actual words, Industrial.

  anyone wanna give me some info on hate dept., that is....if you have
  any info? i saw them play last week under rather extreme, inebriated
  conditions but my senses were not so dull as to be ignorant towards the
  cacophony that surrounded my poor li'l eardrums. i really dug what they
  did, daddy-o. my friend happens to know a bandmember, but she also
  happens to not know a darn thing about what they have available and
  so forth....which is unfortunate for me. had the tequila worn off earlier,
  i would have asked said band-dude...but all i could manage was a sly
  grin and a small wave "hi".
  in any event, i gave up on most industrial musical musings awhile ago
  {forever giving special exception to skinny puppy, and the twisted
  mass acception phenomena known as trent reznor}, but i'd like to give
  hate dept. a spin on the cd player. any band that can do a depeche
  song & make me laugh at the catty delivery of the cheesy intro vox to
  master & servant is worth a shot...

  friendship bracelets,
  kelli-jeanne

  PS - to those of you awaiting response mail from me, repeat to
  yourself..."patience is a virtue". i've got 3 months worth of
  e-mail and other odds & ends awaiting download time. i'm sifting,
  ever so slowly, through the wordy sludge and i will get to
  everything soon...

  :knock on wood. thunk thunk thunk:


Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:55:38 +0100
From: Andre.van.Leeuwen@CWI.NL
Subject: Re: Chains Changed EP


I believe the chains changed ep appears on a japanese
cd together with two other eps originally released by
4AD.  If you are a completist you have to get The Fat
Skier on vinyl because the B-side (a long version of Soul
Soldier) does not appear on any CD I know of.

Andre


Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:22:13 +0100
From: snailhead (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Throwing Muses : New Album!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Best news this Year:

There will be a new Muses album this spring!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It should be released as soon as April (on 4ad in Europe anyways,dunno
'bout US release) and it has the working title of "Limbo".
And more .... Kristin is writing some solo stuff now,off witch the
release is skeduled for the autumn.
Add the thirth Tindersticks album ( autumn),Scheer's debut (March),
the new Afghan Whigs (March),the new Cure (Yeah,when will they finally
release that album;it should have been out in June '95) and some
other stuff I can't think about now or I don't know yet and  this
will be a damn good year,I guess :).


 _____________________________________________________________________________


Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:16:20 -0600
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: mojave 3 reviews


hello all...

     i recently joined the 4ad list and i noticed that some people
have already got copies of mojave 3's new album.  i was wondering if
some kind soul could e-mail me their review, opinions, etc.  thanks.

jason
00161068@bigred.unl.edu

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:53:32 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Amps and Aurobindo


Russell Martin  wrote:
 >
 > DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT TRYING TO START A FLAME WAR!
 >
 > [Someone else:]
 > > Yeah, this guy's a dumb-fuck.  Pacer spent the last 2 weeks of
 > > '95 at number one in CMJ and is coming close to the popularity
 > > of Last Splash.
 >
 > Why? Because he doesn't feel the same way you do about a
 > particular album?  Has it ever occurred to you that just because
 > someone slags something that you like, you shouldn't take
 > offense or likewise start insulting them?

The comment was referring to the reviewer's suggestion that KD didn't
have "what it takes to stay on top in this industry" or some similarly
commercial consideration, and the fact that "Pacer" has in reality sold
pretty well despite the allegedly lousy bass playing.  The trouble with
people who write for professional bass-player magazines is that they
often lose a grasp of what other people appreciate about bands.  I
doubt if anyone is going to buy "Pacer" because they think there might
be some groovy bass twanging going on, and I don't think most of the
Amps' potential audience are going to be put off by poor production
values either.  I once read a hilarious review of a Fall album in one of
those expensive hi-fi magazines, the reviewer obviously didn't
appreciate the Fall at all, and reviewing a Fall album on the basis of
the recording quality and production is obviously the wrong way to
approach it.  And this was one of the albums MES and the lads made
during their commercial period, too.

Bruce  wrote:
 > Oh, and what about that thing with someone from Seefeel and the
 > guy from Locust?

Aurobindo, "Involution", on Ash International records (run by Mr
Scanner, I think).  It's a very abstract/noisy album, a bit like the
less tuneful bits of Labradford's first album.  No tunes, very little in
the way of percussion or structure, lots of rumbling, buzzing, etc.
There's supposed to be a second album of the same out soon.


--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 15/01/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/NORMAN.HTM
Bob Dylan - compilation


Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:50:29 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Cocteau titles

              <9601081748.AA27691@alink-gw.apple.com>

Jens Alfke wrote:

>But I've always felt that the titles on those EPs ["Echoes In A Shallow
>Bay" and "Tiny Dynamine"] were (playfully?)  randomized and don't
>correspond to the songs they're supposed to. Liz pretty clearly sings
>"Sultitan Itan" on one of the songs that doesn't bear that title.

Not so sure they're randomized so much as the Cocteaus repeatedly steal
song titles from any of their other songs.  You know how there's always one
fan of any group who insists on collating and documenting all the etched
messages on vinyl run-off grooves.  Well, there must be a Cocteaus fan
who's made a list of all the song, EP and LP titles nicked from other
Cocteau song lyrics!

Simon Hughes


Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:39:27 -0800
From: "Chris.Hanks" (luna@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: House of Love!!^2


I have to correct myself here....The first Creation album did not include
the original version of Shine On.  That was included on the German
Creation singles compilation.

Of course, there was also a free 7" included with initial copies of
this creation LP that included "Shine On (Demo Version)"

Confused yet? :)

House of Love - self/titled Creation album
                (w/Christine, Love In A Car)

                Great indie pop!  Lots of youth and emotion, and
                some great songwriting.  Nice 2nd guitar from
                Terry Bickers.

--
Chris.
luna@teleport.com

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:03:00 -0800
From: "Chris.Hanks" (luna@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: House of Love!!


Gack!  I leave for the weekend and suddenly a thread about my favorite
band pops up.  Hope everyone's not too tired of discussing this.  There's
some confusion about their albums that I hope I can clear up...they had
six proper albums.  I have an extremely exhaustive discography that
I can mail to anyone who's interested.

In addition to these albums, they also had many additional songs
and b-sides that didn't get collected...

The videos I know of are; "Shine On" (original), "Christine",
"I Don't Know Why I Love You", "Beatles and the Stones", "Feel"
"You Don't Understand".  I'm sure there are more.

BTW, the official reason for the break up was that Pete Evans,
the drummer was leaving the music biz.  I still haven't heard anything
from Guy's project "The Madonnas".

House of Love - self/titled Creation album
                (w/original Shine On, Christine, Love In A Car)

                Great indie pop!  Lots of youth and emotion, and
                some great songwriting.  Nice 2nd guitar from
                Terry Bickers.

House of Love - self-titled (Creation singles compilation)-German only release
                (w/early Creation singles/b-sides, 2 unreleased songs)

                Less polished indie pop, but still great.  This
                has the two "lost" b-sides from what was intended to
                be their 5th Creation single "Safe", but was later
                shelved.

House of Love - self/titled 1st Fontana album (Butterfly cover)
                (w/Shine On ^2, I Don't Know Why I Love You, Beatles
                 and the Stones)

                This is the classic House of Love album, IMHO.
                It's ultra-produced and has my favorite drum-sound
                on it "Shake and Crawl". This was Guy's pinnacle as
                a lyricist.

House of Love - self-titled (Spy in the House of Love cover)
                (lots and lots of b-sides, outtakes, mostly re-recorded)

                Not a bad collection of b-sides, but a bit more uneven.

House of Love - self-titled (Babe Rainbow cover)
                (w/Feel, Crush Me)

                This one is as highly produced as the Butterfly album,
                but they went for a more organic, 60's-retro feel.
                Overall the songs are quite good, but some are a
                bit overindulgent.

House of Love - Audience with the Mind

                Supposedly recorded in 3 weeks, like their debut
                album.  It features the main trio of Guy, Chris
                and Pete Evans with an occasional guest guitarist.
                I believe this album was knocked out quickly to
                fulfill their commitment to Fontana, and it shows.
                Also has a song sung by Chris (the bass player) which
                is not very good.


--
Chris.
luna@teleport.com

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:52:14 +0100
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: D-uh Cocteau Format.....


>I was looking through the 4AD catalogue (valid to June 1994) and I saw
something
>that sorta confused me. I'm sure this query will make me look a tad
retarded, because
>I'm sure the answer is obvious. Blue Bell Knoll is listed as having 4
formats viz, CD,
>MC , LP and D. What is this D? It is the only offering in the whole catalogue
>having this format.
>
>Put me out of my misery....
>Chris
>
>

The D-format is a DAT-tape of the Blue Bell Knoll album.

Cheers,

Huite


Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:55:25 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: D-uh Cocteau Format.....


Chris wrote:
>I was looking through the 4AD catalogue (valid to June 1994) and I saw
something
that sorta confused me. I'm sure this query will make me look a tad retarded,
because
I'm sure the answer is obvious. Blue Bell Knoll is listed as having 4 formats
viz, CD,
MC , LP and D. What is this D? It is the only offering in the whole catalogue
having this format.

Put me out of my misery....
Chris>

It's the code for a DCC - Digital Compact Cassette...I much prefer MiniDisc
myself, but I think both formats are pretty much dead at this point...
CJ


Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 20:30:37 +0100
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: D-uh Cocteau Format.....


>Chris wrote:
>>I was looking through the 4AD catalogue (valid to June 1994) and I saw
>something
>that sorta confused me. I'm sure this query will make me look a tad retarded,
>because
>I'm sure the answer is obvious. Blue Bell Knoll is listed as having 4 formats
>viz, CD,
>MC , LP and D. What is this D? It is the only offering in the whole catalogue
>having this format.
>
>Put me out of my misery....
>Chris>
>
>It's the code for a DCC - Digital Compact Cassette...I much prefer MiniDisc
>myself, but I think both formats are pretty much dead at this point...
>CJ
>
>

Wait a minute... Blue Bell Knoll is available in DAT-format, listed as CAD
807 T on the package and as CAD T 807 CD in the catalogue. This is not a DCC.

Normally the D stands for limited edition. There's not a CAD D 807 listed.
I do remember reading somewhere Blue Bell Knoll LP initially was released in a
gatefold sleeve, though it carried the same CAD 807 number.

Can anybody confirm this? Frank?

Cheerio,

Huite


Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:46:50 -0500
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Chains Changed EP


It was release on the 1987 Japanese 12" compilation on CD.  It took me 3
years to track down a copy (courtesy of another list member!).

alex

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:23:07 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: star vs king


On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, pacer wrote:

> >DISAPPOINTMENTS

> >Belly

> um ...NO!!!  I don't think so, why is it that you say that?  Is it because
> if KING?  I hope not because KING is WAY better than star was.  STAR was
> good but KING great.
> ..........i guess I just wrote this because I disagree.  LONG LIVE BELLY!!!

To tell the truth, I at first hated King but eventually came to find it
highly listenable. With that, however, came the realization that it is
intensely depressing, especially in its more 'upbeat' moments. None of
this influences my placing it on my disappointing list, tho. I found it
so basically because it lacked points of brilliance and cleverness. All
stylistic quirks accepted, it's still heavy on the cheezy and predictable
bits and seems plastic in places. I also found it irritating that the had
taken what was essentially a solo project and turned it into a big
kollektiv a la The Sisters of Mercy. The music was more alive and more
solid and self-consistant when she wrote alone. I'll grant you it sure as
hell doesn't belong on the same list as Bel Air and Bleak, but neither
perhaps does Tri Repetae. Part of disappointment is how much you liked
the band to begin with.

e


Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:41:31 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: mojave vs mojave 3


If armed men appeared at your doorstep with a court order that your name
be changed to Stupid Wanker, what would you want your fans to call you?


 the einexile

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:37:40 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: i ix ix v best ov; beware: big


On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, zelzah wrote:

> okay, okay, I give in... *NO!!!* meant No, as *in my opinion*, NO, Belly
> does not suck.  And I am not telling *everyone* no, just einexile.  I don't
> remember me saying anything about me being *high and mighty*, either.
> -There, happy?   :)

How dare you judge others' opinions of your opinion? Just who in the hell
do you think you are???

I've lost track of who is mocking what, but just for the record everyone
on this list has the right to question my "disappointments" lists from
now on. I have decided this; aren't I kind? I hereby remove the decree
outlawing such heresy--go ahead, take your shots! You'll get what's
coming to you in the end...

 einexile


Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 23:04:24 -0500
From: susan@ACS.BU.EDU signon susan@acs.bu.edu

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