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Subject: Re: '95 best of list
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 20:56:14 -0800
From: Micah Newman ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Help for translation from Spainish
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:14:13 -0800
From: Micah Newman ([email protected])
Subject: Review of "Milk & Kisses" (rather long). For those also on the CT
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 10:22:48 -0500
From: BOS::ICEBLINK "Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear" 14-JAN-1996 10:01:4
Subject: great purchases in Japan; read no further if you're not interested
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 10:39:23 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: Lush/F Black
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 14:11:06 EST
From: Derek Innocent ([email protected])
Subject: More HoL
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 17:06:32 -0500
From: Es riecht hier nach Unsinn ([email protected])
Subject: Oval/Seefeel/Mouse On Mars/Locust
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 18:11:37 -0500
From: Bruce ([email protected])
Subject: sign off
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 17:35:19 -0600
From: Ben Londa ([email protected])
Subject: MINI REVIEW: Stina Nordenstam's NEW song
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 19:32:02 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: Amps "reviewer"...
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 18:52:33 -0800
From: Micah Newman ([email protected])
Subject: Chains Changed EP
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:03:17 EST-11
From: Tony PERSOGLIA ([email protected])
Subject: Re: i ix ix v best ov; beware: big
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 22:27:06 -0600
From: zelzah ([email protected])

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 20:56:14 -0800
From: Micah Newman ([email protected])
Subject: Re: '95 best of list

>> i think "university" is kristen's best work for the muses...very
thought out, great vocals and everything.  as for "red heaven", i didn't
like it too much at first.  i only liked "furious" and then i'd change
the cd but then i listened to it more in its entirety and noticed that
it's a pretty good cd.  "pearl" is a great song...a lot of it is if you
give this cd a chance, i think.  i got "the real ramona" as a gift from a
friend and loved it, which was then i started picking up their other
releases. <<

Yeah, that's the thing with Red Heaven -- when I first listened to it, I
liked Furious but it seemed to decline from there. But as I reached the
last song, something clicked and I could see the album as a whole, and
its enticing sense of distance and ineffable mystery. It fits in well with
what Throwing Muses are all about.

The best album of 1995: Red House Painters, _Ocean Beach_, hands down.
Also the best album 4AD have ever released.

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:14:13 -0800
From: Micah Newman ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Help for translation from Spainish

On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, Tony Ting wrote:

> The below is in Spainish. Can anyone help me by roughly telling me what it
> is all about. It is about postage fees?

That's SPANISH even though its mother country is not Span, but yeah. It's
about postage fees.

> **********Recuerda que al pedido debes sumarle 250pts por gastos de
> empaquetado y envio (350pts si realizas el pedido contrareembolso. En
> pedidos contrareembolso correos recarga un 0.5% del valor del pedido).

        Remember you should submit 250 pesetas for postage fees. (350
pesetas if you need a [cash?] order. In the case of cash orders, the post
office charges a 0.5% fee).

> Los discos se envian como PAQUETES POSTALES certificados. Recibiras una
> notificacion de la llegada del paquere en tu domicilio y deberas pasar a
> recogerlo por tu oficina de correos.

The records come in certified postal packages. You will receive a notice
of the arrival of the package at your house and you should pass it along
to your post office.


Always when you make an order, don't forget to indicate the form of
payment (postal order, cash, or cheque). You can make orders by credit
card, phone, or fax to the address and phone of MARID [sic].

> Thanks!
> ===========================================================Tony
> Ting=====================

        No es de nada.

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 10:22:48 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear ([email protected])
Subject: Review of "Milk & Kisses" (rather long). For those also on the CT

              Mailing List, sorry for the duplication.

From: BOS::ICEBLINK "Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear" 14-JAN-1996 10:01:4 .86 Here's my unofficial review of Milk and Kisses. I've had it for a week and have listened to it at least 50 times already if not more. Let me just say that anyone who is expecting something along the lines Four-Calendar Cafe can just forget it. This is nothing like anything they have done before, and yet it's the best of everything they've ever done. Those who think they're "has-beens" are in for a surprise, IMO. Only a handful of lyrics are comprehensible, and that's usually only if you are REALLY listening ("Rilkean Heart" and "Half-Gifts" notwithstanding). I can't remember when I've heard Liz's voice as dynamic and utterly amazing as it is on this album. Milk and Kisses is exactly what it's title says it is, and a lot more. Violaine Basically the same vocal line as on the Otherness version. The music is the Cocteau Twins' own idea of a rock song. Totally. The bass is quite funky and there's a delayed fuzz/guitar effect throughout that gives it a 'shimmy' sound, along with the signature Cocteau guitar throughout and some keyboards. 2/3 of the way through, the guitars take over and starts to really move. It's a kick-ass tune that literally rocks. Then there's a pause, where you might think the song is over, and then the bass comes back in and an ambient refrain kicks in with a high- octave Liz singing along. Very up-tempo and spacey in some parts. I can see Seefeel's influence in here, although it's very un-techno. Serpentskirt The guitar and drums start out sounding very David Lynch, if you can get the idea of that...but it's an extremely MOVIE soundtrack kind of song. The vocals are quiet at first and build up to a sort of chorus and then 1/2 way through the song they roll over the melody into something utterly ecstatic and Liz takes you on an upclimbing multi-layered magic carpet ride until they break it back down to the original melody and fade out. This song is somewhat reminiscent of "Aikea-Guinea". Tishbite The single. If there's even a song CLOSE to being 'weak' on this whole album, it might as well be this one. And this song is GOOD. There's an organ in here (they use the keyboard MUCH more on this album than ever before) and chimes and a happy drum beat. The lyrics are semi-comprehensible, but they're good. The song is about Liz being in a relationship that's all one-sided and she feels needy because the guy isn't as into it as she is and she's sort of preaching to herself. There's some guitar strumming and some distortion mixed low beneath the vocals. Towards the end, Liz starts doing that loud back up singing style (like on "Bluebeard"), only it sounds MUCH more like the way she was singing on the Four- Calendar Cafe Tour. Great stuff, though... She sings all the way to fade out. Lyrics I can make out so far: "Oh now I'm lost and don't know what to do....if he'd just hold me....I feel a connection, a deep connection, but it's not reflected..." Half-Gifts Nothing like the Twinlights version. The vocals are basically the same, with some extra lyrics. ("I still have a life, and it's a rich one even with mourning; Even with grief and sadness"). The music is totally UN-Cocteau. It sounds like a carousel-waltz. Reminds me of something you would hear when you open a music box. Bass, drums, and keyboard. Almost no guitar. Calfskin Smack Makes you wanna dance. Great song, very uplifting and positive sounding. >From what I can make out of the lyrics (which isn't much), the song is about Liz reflecting on a failed relationship but in a positive way. One lyric stands out: "I had to fall on the ground...Life just seems right now....ooooohhhh la la la la la; But when I had you; oooohhhh la la la la; I didn't always want you, baby; ooooh la la la la I'd cry myself out..." I guess trying to make herself feel better about it or something. Who knows. The vocals are brilliant. Good guitar solo in the latter half of the song. Throughout, Liz does this sort of "oooh lalalalala". It's great. Rilkean Heart Again, barely resembles the Twinlights version except for the lyrics and the vocal melody. Extra lyrics here, too: "I'm cleaning up my emotional life and I'm getting in touch with myself every day; I need to ground myself in my own sense of being as an entity; An entity on the planet". This is a GORGEOUS SONG. It's SO SOOTHING to listen to, and you just HAVE to love it. The vocal arrange- ment is slightly different from the Twinlights version. You'll know what I mean when you hear it. It's SUCH an optimistic song. The guitar is reminiscent of some of the guitar on "Bluebeard", although without the country twang. Lots of chimy guitars when she sings "I understand that you're confused...feeling overwhelmed..." and "You're lost and don't know what to do...but that's not all of you...." Ups FUN. This is another multi-layered vocal extravaganza. Liz really works her characteristic rrrrrr sound (roll the 'r' at the front of the mouth behind the teeth). Not a single understandable lyric (as with "Violaine"). She does some textured whispering in the background which is VERY soothing. The tempo is fast, though. There's a cool section in the middle where the drums get really fast and there's a guitar being strummed really fast and she's just scatting and rrrrr'ing all over the place and then it breaks back down into the main melody and fades. There's also a sample of Liz in some parts of the song, whre she sings the sound "SHO' - NAH" a couple of times. Eperdu More new ideas. They sampled the ocean breaking on the beach, which plays throughout the whole song. There's the intermittent cymbals tap-tap-tap-tapping through tons of reverb, giving it an even more ambient sound. The guitar and bass are subtle, with the guitar being more dominant. It's a plucked melody. Liz sings mostly scale-like melodies. No comprehensible lyrics. The song builds to a crescendo towards the end and then fades out, with just the ocean fading out. This song reminds me of "Memory Gongs" from The Moon and The Melodies, but with vocals and that ocean stuff. Treasure Hiding BRILLIANT song. It's a classic Cocteau Twins tune in that it's very quiet and slow until about 1/2 way through the song and then WHAMMO! Drums and tons of guitars and Liz totally breaking out. Very much like "Pur" or "Ooze Out and Away, Onehow" or "Frou-Frou Foxes in Midsummer Fires" to a certain extent. There's a lot of shimmering guitar and dark sounding bass in the beginning half. It is in many ways reminiscent of music from The Moon and The Melodies and Love's Easy Tears. Liz sings "The lips, the heart.....the heart, the soul....never beginning, never ending...." and some other stuff I can't make out yet. Then BOOM! It hits you like a huge wave and you get goose-bumps all over and the hair on your neck stands up. When Liz really breaks out, you can't understand much really except "treasure hiding" which she sings once. Other words are "Fire", "Purify". Then the guitar solo comes in, and it ROCKS totally. Sounds a lot like Slowdive did on "Just For A Day". The outro of the song is Liz singing "The lips, the heart...the heart, the soul" to fade. Her voice is very much like Edith Piaf on this tune in the beginning. In fact, she is reminiscent of Piaf quite a lot on this record. Seekers Who Are Lovers Another one of my all-time favorites now. From the Otherness version of this song, you would never expect it would sound this way. It's brilliant. The lyrics are probably 3/4 under- standable. What I can make out: "Despite disbelief, a love as big as a risk fills you up...the breath of god in my mouth, a love you can taste, that kissin' paste; You know it, have the path...clove of saliva, heated through your love; I can't stop, hungry for the mess; I forgot the use; My head fell off and the sky it crashed into my bones;...I was choking on the blood...Love, come into my veins...Some seek, you are a woman just as you are a man". There's much more, but that's what I can decipher. I don't even know how to describe this song. It's the best ideas their music has come to offer but used in ways they have never been before. Liz's vocals are different from what she's ever done before, and she does it SO well. There's a wind blowing in the back- ground throughout this song, which is perfect. And washes of guitar that are like water splashing on rocks. I wish I could give a more concise description, but then again if I did, it might spoil the surprises. Well, that's the low-down according to me. I'm probably forgetting a lot, but this hopefully whets your appetites adequately. You will NOT be disappointed, I assure you. If you ARE, then you should be flogged and forced to pierce your tongue like Robin has. :) Mike Borum [email protected]

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 10:39:23 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: great purchases in Japan; read no further if you're not interested

So I am finally back from my trip to Japan.  First, I must say thanks
to everyone who gave me hints of where to shop.  It helped a lot!  I found
a whole slew of stuff both relevant and not to these lists (I only cross-
posted to two!), and I thought I'd, well, brag.  So here goes ...

Echo and the Bunnymen:  "Never Stop (Discotheque)/The Original Cutter"
Echo and the Bunnymen:  "Rescue/Simple Stuff"
My Bloody Valentine:  "To Here Knows When/Swallow"
My Bloody Valentine:  "No Place To Go/Moonlight"
Jesus and Mary Chain:  "Upside Down/Vegetable Man"
Jesus and Mary Chain:  "Never Understand/Suck"
Stone Roses:  "Sally Cinnamon/Here It Comes"

_12-inches, LPs_
Jesus and Mary Chain:  "You Trip Me Up" b/w "Just Out Of Reach" & "Boyfriend's
My Bloody Valentine:  _Geek_ EP
My Bloody Valentine:  _The New Record By ..._ EP
Stone Roses:  "Sally Cinnamon"

_CDs_  (only a few of note listed)
that new Stone Roses crap (_Crimson Tonight_ and "Begging You")
and some other miscellany that I could have gotten anywhere

I believe the major finds here are the three old MBV items (although
musically there are incredibly bad) and the JAMC singles.  The three
Colourbox 12-inches were purchased for about $3 apiece!!!

Ok.  Braggin' done.  It is now time to sleep and all that.

By the way, one store I went in had the first Stone Roses single,
"So Young/Tell Me" for what amounted to about $190!!!

jason eugene

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 14:11:06 EST
From: Derek Innocent ([email protected])
Subject: Lush/F Black

If anyone's interested, in today's UK singles chart Lush went in at 21, Frank
Black at 37


Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 17:06:32 -0500
From: Es riecht hier nach Unsinn ([email protected])
Subject: More HoL

>This is the later version of Shine On, and while still brilliant is a lot
>more commercial and washed-out than the original - find it on the
>creatively titled House of Love lp on Creation cat no RTD/CRE 9-63. This is
>not the one on Creation that I talked about before - that has a picture of
>Guy and one of the other members on the cover. This one has all five (count
>'em) members and is slightly soft-focus (hey, Guy isn't what you would call
>beautiful IRL!). One of the members in the photo is a girl - I actually
>didn't know that there'd ever been a lassie in the group... Anyway, this
>has the original Shine On, the first Love and the funny Hedonist (who's
>that about Guy?!). My copy has a Pacific Imports sticker on it, so I think
>it may have been produced for the American market. It is, after all, all
>the early singles and their b-sides I think.

You know, the fact that HoL never really bothered with album titles makes
this all a bit confusing. RTD/CRE 9-63 was released on Rough Trade Germany
under license from Creation and features tracks from the first few singles
and the Real Animal mini-LP. Track listing:

1. Shine On
2. Plastic
3. Love
4. Real Animal
5. The Hedonist
6. Flow
7. Nothing to Me
8. Welt
9. On the Hill
10. Loneliness is a Gun (track listing actually says "Loneliness IN a Gun")

Shine On was re-recorded for the Fontana album, as was The Hedonist (which
became just "Hedonist").

The girl in question in Andrea Heukamp (guitar/vocals), who had to leave the
band and go back to Germany because of immigration problems. She sang On the
Hill and later made a guest appearance on Babe Rainbow.

I don't know how hard this is to find - I got my copy at New Rose in Paris
but haven't seen it anywhere else since.

Their "proper" first album came out on Creation as CRELP 034.

>well, as I stated in my original post, I had been watching an old episode of
>120minutes from about 3 years ago when I seen the video of HoL's "Feel".  I
>still do have it on tape, and plan on keeping it for sometime, but do not as
>of yet have another VCR to dub it - not yet anyway!!

It would be good if there was a video comp available. Here in Canada,
MuchMusic showed a spotlight on the band once and I stupidly neglected to
tape it.


on now: The High Llamas - Gideon Gaye

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 18:11:37 -0500
From: Bruce ([email protected])
Subject: Oval/Seefeel/Mouse On Mars/Locust

Oval 'systemich' - thier first album (that I know of)
        is very smooth and mechanical and ambient and
        sweet and wierd.
Oval 'dickont' - thier secont album (that I know of)
        is smooth and totally unproductable with respect
        to what is around that next corner.

Mouse on Mars - Vulvaland, reviewed many time's on this list, I think.
           "Mouse on Mars. Taste it all! And eat as much as you can.",
        as the liner notes say.  It's been a while since I've heard this
        so I can't review it, but I listened to it for a long time when
        I first heard it.  I have the newer 'IAORA TAHITI', but I can't
        remember what it sounds like.

Can anyone tell me about the new project featuring someone from MoM and
someone from Oval?

Oh, and what about that thing with someone from Seefeel and the
guy from Locust?


Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 17:35:19 -0600
From: Ben Londa ([email protected])
Subject: sign off


Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 19:32:02 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: MINI REVIEW: Stina Nordenstam's NEW song

Anyone who hasn't heard the new Vangelis CD, _Voices_ is missing a treat.
(well, one of the songs, anyway.)  This new CD which came out a few days ago
features her highness as well as Paul Young and Caroline Lavelle on different

I've just listened to the Stina Nordenstam track "Ask The Mountains" for about
the 50th time in the last 3 days, and it is amazing!  It's not exactly Stina's
typical music; it appears Vangelis did the music, and Stina provided the
lyrics and the vocals.  It begins very sparse, vocally--it nevertheless
resonates through you as it carefully builds (the song lasts 7:55!).  It
actually starts out with crickets; and what sounds like a wolf or bird howling
in the distnace.  I think this is one of the most beautiful songs Stina has
done.  It's certainly as well-crafted as anything from _memories of a color_
or _and she closed her eyes_.  Very sad; yet beautiful.  A heavy bass
underlies the whole song while sprinkled throughout are reverberating
synthesizers and the soft plinks of a piano which make this song more haunting
than anything I've heard in ages.

As for the rest of the CD; I could take it or leave.  Mostly, leave it, I
suppose; as it sounds like Vangelis hasn't progressed much since he did the
music to Blade Runner in 1982.  However, this one song is worth the price of
the CD.  Stina rocks my world and her new and improved house of worship should
be up anytime now; complete with Shockwave animations.

BTW I got engaged in San Antonio over the weekend!!!  (no, not to Stina) You
guys are the first people I've had a chance to tell.  Wish me luck and if you
want to see what she/I look like; check out my web page. (same address as the
ftp site on my .sig)

marvynHortman                     ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 18:52:33 -0800
From: Micah Newman ([email protected])
Subject: Amps "reviewer"...

        Here is his e-mail address, by popular demand: [email protected]. I
know this makes me 'responsible' for any flaming that might ensue, but if
the guy wants to print his e-mail address in the magazine itself, that's
his call...

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:03:17 EST-11
From: Tony PERSOGLIA ([email protected])
Subject: Chains Changed EP

I understand that this EP was never released on CD by 4AD, so I
gather it is only available on vinyl or cassette. Does anyone
actually have any idea how many copies were pressed. I have yet to
see it anywhere and am wondering how rare this actually is.

Appreciate any info. Thanks guys.

 Kristin says: "The Rabbit's Dying"
 Tony says: "The Rabbit's Dead Kristin"

Tony Persoglia
[email protected]
Melbourne, Australia

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 22:27:06 -0600
From: zelzah ([email protected])
Subject: Re: i ix ix v best ov; beware: big

At 07:56 PM 1/13/96 -0700, you wrote:
>        Regarding einexile's opinions zelzah said:
>>>>um ...NO!!!  I don't think so, why is it that you say that?
>>>Wow, that is some kind of arrogance!  How can you say "NO!!!" to someone's
>        and zelzah replied:
>>...i just did.
>        the question wasn't whether or not it was *possible* but how can
>you regard yourself so high and mighty that you think it's appropriate that
>you tell everyone "NO!!!" to someone's opinions.   ... and besides, i'm a
>little confused, does your "NO!!!" mean that no, einexile does not believe
>the things that he wrote?   ;)

okay, okay, I give in... *NO!!!* meant No, as *in my opinion*, NO, Belly
does not suck.  And I am not telling *everyone* no, just einexile.  I don't
remember me saying anything about me being *high and mighty*, either.
-There, happy?   :)

[email protected]

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