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Subject: Re: Heat Soundtrack.
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:44:02 CST
From: Steven W Hill ([email protected])
Subject: Holiday Defever-fest in Detroit!
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:50:40 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: shit guitar(TM)/schizophrenia/sound file attachments
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:19:19 -0800
From: snowangel ([email protected])
Subject: driving music
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 01:36:25 -0500
From: Brendon Macaraeg ([email protected])
Subject: Re: driving music
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 02:56:29 -0500
From: firebrat ([email protected])
Subject: i am so sick of this e shit...
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:13:25 -0800
From: snowangel ([email protected])
Subject: Re: thelovesliescrushingwar
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:31:08 -0800
From: snowangel ([email protected])
Subject: Re: e vs llc/k-j and some guy named Richard/Ride split
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:35:27 -0800
From: snowangel ([email protected])
Subject: LLC wars
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:42:20 -0800
From: Ryan ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Holiday Defever-fest in Detroit!
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:45:49 -0800
From: snowangel ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Holiday Defever-fest in Detroit! 8(
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 03:09:38 -0600
From: Sung Shim ([email protected])
Subject: my point, for the last time...
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 01:07:25 -0800
From: einexile the meek ([email protected])
Subject: sound files/Windows vs Mac/the Richard guy
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 07:16:45 -0500
From: "I love Beethoven, especially the poems" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: driving music
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 05:03:11 -0800
From: einexile the meek ([email protected])
Subject: I AM SO SICK OF E!!!! (no 4AD)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:03:32 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: Windows vs Mac(I'm an individual too!) **No 4ad**
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:40:21 -0500
From: "Rufus T. Firefly" ([email protected])
Subject: Elysium show tonight
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:47:50 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada ([email protected])
Subject: Rachel Goswel
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 10:55:50 -0800
From: STEPHEN RUSK ([email protected])

Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:44:02 CST
From: Steven W Hill ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Heat Soundtrack.

              Jacobson" at Dec 21, 95 10:20 pm

> The Heat soundtrack features 2 tracks by Lisa Gerrard...both from the album,
> but one is an edited version.
> The Michael Brook track is from Cobalt Blue...I believe it's the album
> version, too.

Yeh, but is there any Elliot Goldenthal on it?
-shill

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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:50:40 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: Holiday Defever-fest in Detroit!

          [email protected], [email protected]

Here it is folks, I just got the info about 3 hours ago...sorry to post it so
late in the game, but I thought some of you would still be interested.

Here's what the news-release says:

"As its Christmas gift to us, Zoot's Coffeehouse is presenting a holiday
music festival to end all holiday music festivals.  Forget Christmas carols
and Erich Kunzel, this "holiday pops" fest is, in the words of festival
organizer and underground maestro Warren Defever, "a noise spectacular" (yes,
that's a good thing) featuring some of the best new, hepper-than-hep
underground bands.  It all kicks off Friday night with 'the Ohms', a curious
sonic alloy that's equal parts science and noise; 'Monster Island' a strange
beast indeed that Defever describes as "a modern version of 'Destroy All
Monsters" crossed with a folk band"; and 'the ESP Beetles' a fine,
upstanding, ornery, noise-rock outfit.  Saturday the kids invade and conquer,
starting with fresh-faced young punks 'the Fags' candy-coated grrrl pop noise
from 'New Grape' (which features songwriter Dara Albro, pictured, and Erica
of Godzuki, with a little help from Defever), the Dr. Seuss-meets-Dr. Moreau
sonic rantings of 'the Snitches' and (relatively) elder statesmen local noise
legends 'Galen'.  Both shows are all-ages.  Doors open at 7p.m. and admission
is a paltry $5 both nights.. More info: 313-832-6621. --Lisa Cramton-Wexton"

Zoot's is located at 4470 Second Ave. in Detroit.  I'm not sure of exact
directions since I haven't been there before, but rest assured, I'll find it.

I'll be getting in touch with Kenny or Davin of Time Stereo tomorrow to find
out whether or not HNIA is still supposed to be playing.  With HNIA's past of
"surprise" shows (the last being at Zoot's only 3-4 weeks ago), I wouldn't be
a bit surprised if Warren decides to try out some of the new material.  I'll
confirm this tomorrow.

If you ask me, the shows are still worth going to even if HNIA doesn't make
an appearance just to see 'ESP Beetles' as well as 'New Grape' (sounds very
much like KingOfSweet-era HNIA, only with a touch more 'noise').

Hope to see some of you there...if you plan to go, e-mail me to let me know
so that we might hook up.

Good luck to all who are going to try.

And again, sorry for the late notice... I myself am calling in sick Saturday!

-Blue
[email protected]


"Keeping the weekend free..." - Liq

Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:19:19 -0800
From: snowangel ([email protected])
Subject: Re: shit guitar(TM)/schizophrenia/sound file attachments

> Cripes, that's a lot of good music he's ruined for you then. Fortunately
> nothing in my CD collection reminds me of jOHN

  yeah, well, it is my hope that my overall existance and the many
  obligations he has racked up towards my family {which will never
  be fulfilled...i'm assuming, but i think i'm 100% in doing so...}
  will have ruined California for him. may he move back to his li'l
  place in the far reaches of Pennsylvania..to play ska/punk in
  struggling HS bands for the rest of his life...living off the
  goodwill and charity of others...

  i apologize. this is uncharacteristically bitter of me. it's just
  one of those days. *hang head in shame*

> I got the impression it was just for in the studio...it's not included in
> Brad's setup on the Dreampop site

  i'm quite certain he took it out on the road at one point or another...
  or maybe i was dreaming it...

> Actually, what I meant was that the person who wondered if schizophrenia ran
> in e's family probably believed, like all too many people, that it involved
> having split or multiple personalities. It can, but that's by far the rarest
> form of it. The symptoms are usually such things as hearing voices and, as
> Kristin Hersh once sang:

  well, no need to tell me. 2 family members of mine are schizophrenic.
  i spent the majority of my childhood living in the same house with
  one of them. in fact, he just graduated a community transitional program
  yesterday... *big round of applause*

> "I keep looking in the mirror/Afraid that I won't be there"

  a vast majority of people with the illness describe such things as
  a constant and random flow of thoughts in the brain that are
  uncontrollable, linked up with the usual dose of extreme paranoia, etc...


  *k-j*

  ...i'm bummed. i forgot to tape winnie the pooh and christmas, too...

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 01:36:25 -0500
From: Brendon Macaraeg ([email protected])
Subject: driving music


Funny you should ask this, as I am preparing a Web site about
a road trip I took last spring; it'll have quite a few sound clips of bands
I like...it's hard to explain this site except that
it's very personal yet other folks will get it, I think.
There will be a bulletin board where folks can post
their own road trip stories, link to their own images and sounds
if they want.

I'm including sound clips by
Mojave 3 (nice for the folks who don't have the new LP yet)
Slowdive
Cocteau Twins
Love Spirals Downwards
Ride
David Bowie
Big Star.
maybe a few more....
I've chosen music that is relatively reflective, contemplative
as that's the mood I want to set when people browse the pages...


I guess the driving music should fit the mood your
in when you sit behind the wheel. When I drove around the country
a few years ago, I would usually put on something upbeat
in the morning to get me going, usually mellower stuff
in the afternoon, then NPR in the evening, and god knows
whatever I felt like in the wee hours.....depending on if
I was hyper or mellow....I blasted down the freeway around
Indianapolis to MBV's "loveless"! Those of you who live there
or have been there know the freeway circles the city..if you miss your
exit you just keep going 'cause you'll reach it again eventually.
It was quite an interesting experience.....


Regards,
-B

=====================================================
                                    Brendon Macaraeg
               http://www.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~brendonm
   "Paranoia is often an extreme hightened awareness"


Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 02:56:29 -0500
From: firebrat ([email protected])
Subject: Re: driving music

              22, 95 01:36:25 am

aside from the driving tape i made the night i got my permit (ah,
nostalgia..), the best accompaniment:

night-time driving through woods or back roads:

'swing the heartache' bauhaus
'a stable reference' labradford
livonia (especially if you are driving alongside a bioluminescent ocean-
no joke, PCH in March) -hnia


night time on big highways
'debut' bjork
'happy days sweetheart' ethyl meatplow
'adrv espontaneo' crash worship
'floodland' sisters of mercy

daytime going somewhere exciting
'tribute to a bus' 18th dye
'lost somewhere between teh earth and my home' geraldine fibbers
'too dark park' skinny puppy

daytime coming back from emotional catharsis
'sister' sonic youth
home is in your head
'songs about fucking' big black
'the funeral pudding' thinking fellers union local 282



Kansas- flatland prairie: bright red by laurie anderson at 110 mph

Colorado - robert johnson, till you get to the mountains, then it must be
come on pilgrim/pixies or red house painters

and on the way to the beach everyone must listen to adorable's 'against
perfection.'


ah...procrastination accomplished.

clare

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:13:25 -0800
From: snowangel ([email protected])
Subject: i am so sick of this e shit...

> jeeze, I think Ryan's point was that it takes effort to create music.
> if it's so easy to do e, why aren't you releasing albums and touring
> behind them? it's easy to throw stones when you don't live
> in a glass house etc. etc.

  i think e's point was that his guitar has had moments of complete
  spastic bursts of noise and gurgles, much like something you might
  find in an excerpt of an LLC song. had he used the ol' 8-tracker
  to record said event, he might just be the next noise king...
  yamatsuka eye and e might be the next lollapalooza opening act. ;)
  {and yes, i probably did spell eye's name wrong...}

  LLC are super duper brilliant, btw. anyone that accepts e's opinion
  on their music can slug it out with me, because he's dead wrong... :)
  however, this whole petty barb thing....is out of hand. extracting
  a small portion of an otherwise large review of a compilation cd and
  then blowing it up to be something bigger than it is and then letting
  it get to such a point is just...well...looks sort of juvenile to me.
  i do/say/write juvenile things...but the parties involved here are
  capable of much more, shall we say, eloquent banter..no matter what
  side of the coin they stand on.

  come on...we can all be friends....i invite both ryan and e over
  to my happy li'l abode for a peace party. e can bring a cappuccino
  machine {you still owe me one, from ages ago..remember? you said
  you'd make me some sometime..} and ryan can bring some sort of food-y
  thing {but if it resembles a xmas cookie, i'm sacrificing it to the
  gods}. you two can slug out the LLC issue with some Nerf bats and
  then we'll all shake hands and be happy li'l listies....


  *k-j*
  ...passing up the elysium show in order to finish xmas shopping 2morrow...

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:31:08 -0800
From: snowangel ([email protected])
Subject: Re: thelovesliescrushingwar

> me too. but im sure there are bands that do waht they do
> equal or better. take for example my bloody valentine...
> (i can already feel the devout mbv saints at my door.)
> they are nothing that special. they make some super sounds,

  yes! another one who feels the same way i do....wow. i feel
  better now...

  i like mbv, but considering much of the noise-laden music i have
  heard post-Loveless {and prior to that record's release}, mbv
  aren't THAT special. or, should i say, mbv are not all that?
  i dunno...my slang is not up to par...

  you go girl,
  k-j

  ...my riviera gets closer and closer with each passing day...

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:35:27 -0800
From: snowangel ([email protected])
Subject: Re: e vs llc/k-j and some guy named Richard/Ride split

> Yeah...AND??? SO??? What about this guy, other than it's his birthday?

  there's nothing else. he's a guy. he knows bands. he goes to shows.
  he's having a birthday. bands are playing. what more do you need????

  i don't even care..should you? :)


  k-j

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:42:20 -0800
From: Ryan ([email protected])
Subject: LLC wars

spiral writes:
>> if it's so easy to do e, why aren't you releasing albums and touring
>> behind them?
>
>because its not talent that gets you a record contract and
>a tour... you dont really see llc doing any tours outside
>of maybe the capitol building (lansing mi..).

Well, actually LLC have played in San Francisco (or was it berkeley?), New
York and Philly to me knowledge, oh yeah as well as some Beautiful Noises
in Arizona.
I thought maybe Pittsburg as well (did that ever happen)?

As far as getting a record contract, well luck may be a big and very
important factor, but talent sure helps (it don't hurt to have some).  I
think talent is the more important of the two though.  Sure, a few
no-talented luckies will succeed, but artists will true talent, as long as
they keep plugging away will, more often than not, get recognition (but not
necessarily fame and fortune).

Take Care,
Ryan

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:45:49 -0800
From: snowangel ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Holiday Defever-fest in Detroit!

  someone..somewhere...boot this puppy!!! i'm missing out on the one
  thing that could bring me ultradeluxe happiness this xmas...an mi
  noisefest!!! :~(

  someone should at least make the effort to get new grape on tape...
  the timestereo tape is fantabulous...i'm interested in knowing how it
  comes off live...


  ho ho humbug,
  *k-j*

  ...first j, then the Pooh special, now this. what next?!...


Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 03:09:38 -0600
From: Sung Shim ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Holiday Defever-fest in Detroit! 8(

     well i wish i'd known about this sooner.  my car uma would've been
ready to haul 3 or 4 other passengers up to the motor city from here in
chicago (assuming people would've been interested).  i suppose it's far too
late to make any plans.  so why do i bother posting this?  .  let
this be known for the next cool defever event in michigan uma and i will be
prepared to lark.

sung
---
  [email protected]
  http://shoga.wwa.com/~foss/

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 01:07:25 -0800
From: einexile the meek ([email protected])
Subject: my point, for the last time...

Just in case there is anyone on this list who is interested in reading my
argument for what it is, rather than pretending it is something it's not:

On Thu, 21 Dec 1995, [spiral] wrote:

> one
> of those deals when you look at it and say: oh yea! i could have
> done that. but you didnt.

A lot of people did do it, and most of them had the good taste not to
release it or call it art. Granted for the sake of argument that my own
music is complete shit, there is no doubt in my mind that everyone on
this mailing list could *easily* write and record more a more original
and inspired track than the loveslies' idiotic answer to Jingle Bells.
This includes both that band (who have brief flashes of brilliance on
bloweye) and anyone who has some shit he can leave on so it makes
interesting rubbish when he leaves the room and the guitar falls on the
keyboard.

> e was saying how he could leave his gui and it could write on
> his own and be better than llc..

And credit for this work ought to go entirely to the people who built and
designed whatever the hell I left on.

> he would probably toss it... (in the garbage mind you) but
> that doesnt mean that it is more or less music than llc.. or
> that my talents are inferior to scott's (cortez from llc)

This statement is only correct if you have no standards by which to
define such words as "music" and "garbage". But then why would someone
with no standard of excellence wish to discuss music in the first place?

A. to get tour dates

B. it's cool

C. breaking up fights is fun

D. reviews of other people's reviews are worth reading



e


Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 07:16:45 -0500
From: "I love Beethoven, especially the poems" ([email protected])
Subject: sound files/Windows vs Mac/the Richard guy

>> I don't know about everyone else, but .wavs would be nice, since you would
>> be able to put them in your Windows directory and use them instead of all
>> the default bells and whistles...
>
>Some of us use proper computers that don't run King Bill's software.
>Posting sound attachments is a BAD idea - they will be huge.  Better to
>post a message asking people to E-mail you privately if they want a
>sound file sent to them, or find someone who's willing to put them on an
>FTP or web site.

Actually, yes, that would be better if someone said "I have sound files of
xxx, who wants them?" and then they could either be e-mailed privately or
downloaded. I hadn't thought of how big the files would be. Sorry.

And I don't often feel compelled to defend my choice of computer, but...

>Also another reason why there may be more Macs than
>the average here, is that indie/alternative listeners are usually people
>who like to make up their own minds and not be mindless lemmings who follow
>the crowd and go out and buy crap (be it records or computers).

Okay, so owning a Mac is a sign of true individuality (even if there are
thousands of other people who own one as well), but owning stuff that runs
Microsoft means you're one of the mindless herd? Nice double standard you
got there, pal. Atta boy. What you're saying is, "everyone who bought the
same thing as me must be as cool as I am, but anyone who bought the
competitor's product is basically clueless." Mac users always seem to be
saying, in chorus, "yes, we are all individuals" but I don't see much
evidence of that either. And yes, I saw your smiley, but this attitude
seriously bothers me (I don't know if this is really your opinion, but I've
heard enough people make this claim with a straight face). This is not a
personal attack - I'm just pointing out the flaw in the reasoning some
people use. I don't like Microsoft anymore than diehard Mac users do - I
roll my eyes in exasperation at the mere mention or sight of Gates and his
reptilian features and his "book".

(rant mode off)

>>ok, richard is this guy. he knows elysium and honeywater and that dog.
>>  he actually *is* that dog's biggest fan. he talks to me at shows
>>  when he sees me. he sort of persued me for a year and a half, but he's
>>  not really my type at all. just a nice guy. he has his own "group",
>>  him reciting poetry while his friend plays guitar. i forget what they
>>  call themselves.
>
>Yeah...AND??? SO??? What about this guy, other than it's his birthday?
>--
>
>I don't know why this person is so upset. But I actually asked k-j who Richard
>was and she was telling me. Gotta problem with that buddy?

No. I must have missed your question, sorry. It just seemed like k-j was
starting to tell the list about this guy for some reason and I couldn't
figure out why. I wasn't upset, just puzzled. Sorry again.

god, I'm kranky this morning...

happy holidays everyone

L


Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 05:03:11 -0800
From: einexile the meek ([email protected])
Subject: Re: driving music

High time someone brought this up. :)

I tend to listen to the same shit no matter where I am or what I'm doing
but there are some situation specific necessities I don't oft leave home
without. Most valuable among these are Harold Budd's _Lovely Thunder_ and
_The White Arcades_, which strangely enough keep me from falling asleep
at the wheel (read: pulling over before i risk falling asleep at the
wheel.) Does anyone else experience this? Hightened awareness and energy
from extremely chilly muzik?

Apocalyptic mountainous regions require Selected Ambient Works II,
especially if you're marvelling over obscenely big bridges, dams, or
other junk you're not supposed to like but can't help it. Creepy
cityscapes, real or imagined, require Global Communication or Seefeel.

Slow on the open road and with person in passenger seat asleep: Eno.
Music to gab over: old Current 93

The best music for driving on the highway at night is indeed Floodland.
Driving around downtown: Cocteau Twins, Spirea X' second ep
Open road, diffuse light, creepy country: Crime and the City Solution.
Bright sunlight: Fields of the Nephilim, Stereolab, FSOL, Labradford.
Nightfall under thick trees: nothing will do but the Cranes.
Night fast and uphill: Lifeforms, Woob1194

For driving very fast: The Jesus and Mary Chain, Orbital, Bel Canto, U2.
And for driving too slow: Autechre, The Glee Club, _Belief_, %atT.

Fighting in the car (America's favorite pasttime?): Lida Husik, Speedy J.
And making up: Locust.
Heavy daydreaming: Ambient 4: On Land, Pygmalion, The Pearl, Morricone.

Anything else: more Eno, more The The, and of course 76 14.

And the winner, for some reason: Succour.
...and Medusa.


 e


Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:03:32 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: I AM SO SICK OF E!!!! (no 4AD)

To k-j and other friends of e:

"If your friends with e... well then dah-dah-dah-dah"

True, Mister e has been a good little so-and-so lately, but if you really are
sick of this e shit, maybe you should get e a public relations consultant to
reshape e's image. because, dear k-j, e has proven himself a complete and
total bastard in the past.

Sure, you may know the sweet e, but most of us know someone so self-righteous
and belligerent that he flames all but his trusty comrades (if they are
indeed real people and not pseudomonikers) in his sleep. If you truly are
>>sick of the petty barb<< thing, then tell e as well. He is *the* master
petty barber.

I, myself, think e is a fucking feeble shit, but I've normally refrained from
saying so, because it is NOT thislisty. But don't whine about being sick of
this e shit. He wants it. He deserves more. Besides, if anything, e has
proven he can take care of e, so if he really wants to say something he will.

Anyway Mister e, it seems, takes great delight in discussions like these for
the sheer fact that they reinforce his apparently frail ego. So nah.

I will say no more on this. Flame me if you will (I've got my asbestos on).

Respectfully yours (and back to the list),


Sorty
A.K.A. Roy Burns

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:40:21 -0500
From: "Rufus T. Firefly" ([email protected])
Subject: Windows vs Mac(I'm an individual too!) **No 4ad**

On Fri, 22 Dec 1995, I love Beethoven, especially the poems wrote:

> Okay, so owning a Mac is a sign of true individuality (even if there are
> thousands of other people who own one as well), but owning stuff that runs
> Microsoft means you're one of the mindless herd?

So what's it mean to own an Amiga?? *gulp*

;>


Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:47:50 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada ([email protected])
Subject: Elysium show tonight

For those who don't know yet (in the Los Angeles area) Elysium is playing
tonight at the E-Bar in Pasadena. This should be kinda cool. I went to their
show last week at the troubadour, quite impressive :)
Well, anyway, to get to my real point here, anyone know where the E-bar is? I
was supposed to go with a friend but she backed out on me and now I need
directions since I am not too familiar with Pasadena :(
Anyways, of anyone happens to know (Brant you there?) please let me know
before tonight so I can make it.

-nb- (k-j you're not going? sniff sniff)


Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 10:55:50 -0800
From: STEPHEN RUSK ([email protected])
Subject: Rachel Goswel

The 4AD web site mentioned that Rachel Goswell (Slowdive/Mohave) suffered
a ruptured eardrum recently. Has anyone heard a prognosis?

Stephen


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