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Subject: thanks for the Japan info!!!
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 23:56:32 -0500
From: JEHEINDL@AMHERST.EDU
Subject: Re: Mojave/LLC noise guitar/Steve/Nadim goes solo/Low Fi
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 20:40:47 -0800
From: snowangel (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Rachel's #2??????
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:29:06 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: one less liliput in the world
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:28:54 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Frank Black review
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:29:07 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Mojave/LLC noise guitar/Steve/Nadim goes solo/Low Fi
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 22:47:25 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4ADult Contemporary
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:48:19 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Richard's bday?
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:47:53 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: Mojave/LLC noise guitar/Steve/Nadim goes solo/Low Fi
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:49:24 -0600
From: "i am the egg-nog, i am the egg-nog,
Subject: upcoming LA shows...?
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:17:08 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Cocteau new release
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:28:40 -0500
From: Michael Schlesinger (mns6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Richard's b-day and lovesliescrushing's label --->
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:48:00 -0800
From: snowangel (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: japan stores
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:20:56 -0500
From: Michael Schlesinger (mns6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Ride & Bark Psychosis split!
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:00:03 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: thelovesliescrushingwar
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:40:35 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Whatever happened to..?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 06:19:55 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: St Etienned to death
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 07:03:36 -0800
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Kostars & Ladies who Lunch
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:31:10 +0000
From: "Howlin' Penguin" (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Excellent 'thislisty' mag
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:57:00 GMT
From: Paul Rankine (Paul.Rankine@MAIL.SEMA.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Ride & Bark Psychosis split!
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:55:39 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Rachel's #2??????
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:52:13 -0500
From: rebecca fagan (rfagan@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to..?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:03:37 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Yet more St Et, and FSA etc.
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 16:18:46 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Richard's bday and coughing
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:40:01 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: There's NOTHING wrong with AOL
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:26:50 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Reality's Pocket Reviews
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:53:17 -0800
From: Brian Keeley (gysin@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to..?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:14:31 -0800
From: Chris Lundeen (lundeen@LULU.MOSCOW.COM)
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to..?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:11:40 -0800
From: Chris Lundeen (lundeen@LULU.MOSCOW.COM)
Subject: Big Monster Fish hook
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:11:42 -0400
From: "Rick W." (rickaroo@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to..?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:45:47 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Fwd: Cocteau Twins on Baywatch
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:48:43 GMT
From: Ian McCausland (Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to..?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 16:46:58 -0800
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to..?
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 02:50:59 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Just gave a listen to Flowchart at the station today
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:34:42 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to..?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:47:52 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: shit guitar(TM)/schizophrenia/sound file attachments
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:58:38 -0500
From: "I love Beethoven, especially the poems" (larry@INTERLOG.COM)

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 23:56:32 -0500
From: JEHEINDL@AMHERST.EDU
Subject: thanks for the Japan info!!!


Sorry to possibly clutter these lists, but I must give
a whole-hearted thanks to everyone who has given me info concerning
cool shops in Japan.  One day and my wallet will be spent and
my Visa overdrawn.  Expect a nice long e-mail from me when
I return, describing my finds.

domo arigato,
jason eugene (who speaks no Japanese, but will tough it out)


Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 20:40:47 -0800
From: snowangel (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Mojave/LLC noise guitar/Steve/Nadim goes solo/Low Fi


> Did he scratch it, or is there something painful associated with this album
> now? Sorry, I'm being nosy again. Ignore this question.

  when i think of slowdive, i think of jOHN. we used to sleep to pygmalion
  all the time...that and spiritualized stuff..and fsa. *sigh*

> Actually, that kind of guitar is more common than you'd think. Brad Laner
> has one - you just plug it in and off it goes. They're very cheap too. I bet
> you think schizophrenia means having a split personality, don't you?

  indeedy. The Shit Guitar. ;) hey...come to think of it...i didn't see
  that ol' thang at their last show. hm.
  one can't define schizophrenia, can they?  sorry..i know no one cares
  about this stuff....



  *k-j*  ...eggnog is vile and disgusting. no wonder e likes it.. :) :) :)

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:29:06 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Rachel's #2??????


About a month ago, I seen numerous posts on the list in reference to a new
album from Rachel's as a follow-up to "Handwriting".

All the local "goodie" shops have "Handwriting", and even have it listed in
their books, but they know nothing about album #2.

Anyone got any info??

-Blue
blubelknol@aol.com

"Know who you are at every age" - CT

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:28:54 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: one less liliput in the world


>
>>
>> ...and by the way, when buying your next Lilliput - ask to see if it comes
>> with the t-shirt like mine did.  If I'm not mistaken it adds quite a bit
more
>> value to it.  With t-shirt it should go for about $250-$300.
>
>Is this shirt any different from the ones you can get currently from the
>4AD catalogue?
>
>Thanks,
>Mr. Jake
>
>Wishing he'd taken the 13 year itch down to OC with him...
>

Both t-shirts are grey in colour, and both have a purple and orange swirling
design, but both are unique (i.e. designed differently).

-Blue
blubelknol@aol.com

"Know who you are at every age" - CT

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:29:07 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Frank Black review


Just thought I'd let the Frankie fans on the list read this.  This is from
the Jan '96 issue of "US" magazine in the "essentials" section:

"Alternative-rock icon FRANK BLACK has been somewhat eclipsed by his fellow
former Pixie, Kim Deal.  But he's been cranking out the solo albums as well:
'The Cult of Ray' is his third since 1993.  It's infectious, noisy power pop
driven by muscular drumming and guitar distortion that sounds, alternately,
pretty and scary.  His subjects can be frightening too:  While most rockers
whine about feeling alienated, Black sings about aliens (the album title is a
reference to sci-fi writer Ray Bradbury). (American Recordings)"

Hhhhmmm.... that way they make it sound, it ought to be pretty good.  Anyone
have access to an advance copy they'd like to review for us???

-Blue
blubelknol@aol.com

"Know who you are at every age" - CT


Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 22:47:25 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mojave/LLC noise guitar/Steve/Nadim goes solo/Low Fi


>>Send no more mail
>>-Steve
>>
>>-----Princeton Regional Schools takes no responsibility for the
>>    accuracy or content of the above message.
>     ^^^^^^^^
>
>....and it's a good thing too

i sent this guy three personal mails telling him how to unsub, and he still
kept posting to the list.  finally, i sent him a long message with a very
obvious subject heading, then i get a message back that says:

unsubscribe 4ad-l

he thought i was the unsubbing address!  ain't that a treat??!!

one more thing:  movietone sounds infinately better on headphones.  it just
isn't as cool on speakers, but when i put in in my discman, it's as if she's
right next to me, baring her soul.  buy this album dammit!  oh, and it's
still great on speakers, just heavenly on headphones.

well, off to study.  i'll be home in 24 hours woohoo!

BiZ


Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:48:19 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Re: 4ADult Contemporary


Sorty recently wrote:

>I'd have to say that the things I've enjoyed the most from 4AD over the
>years, have been the things that I've least expected to like. Things that are
>more challenging. Things that broaden scope. Things that have prevented 4AD
>from being a one-trick pony like C'est la Mort, Projekt and, yes, even
>Factory (sacrilege!!!)

I hope that you were joking about factory? I don't know enough about C'es
la Mort or Projekt to comment on them, but Factory is(was) definitely not a
"one trick pony." Just off the top of my head, I start to think: Joy
Division, Durutti Column, Happy Mondays, Abecedarians, Railway Children.
Just from those five, I think it's clear that Factory had diversity and
inventiveness among the trademarks of the bands that it signed.

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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:47:53 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Richard's bday?


Um, forgive me if this is a stupid question. But who is Richard, who is
celebrating his bday at the E-bar (the Elysium show thingy..)

-nb-


Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:49:24 -0600
From: "i am the egg-nog, i am the egg-nog, i am the walrus koo koo ka choo"
Subject: Re: Mojave/LLC noise guitar/Steve/Nadim goes solo/Low Fi


tito (not the man) scribblied:
-->>Send no more mail
-->>-Steve
-->>
-->>-----Princeton Regional Schools takes no responsibility for the
-->>    accuracy or content of the above message.
--
--i sent this guy three personal mails telling him how to unsub, and he still
--kept posting to the list.  finally, i sent him a long message with a very
--obvious subject heading, then i get a message back that says:
--
--unsubscribe 4ad-l

to steve and anyone else who still can't figure out to unsub from lists,
here is a way to do it from each different kind of listserv software:
text-friendly browser. :)

--
--he thought i was the unsubbing address!  ain't that a treat??!!

actually, that's quite funny, and kinda like soon@unm.edu and the mbv list.

--
--one more thing:  movietone sounds infinately better on headphones.

i've found most music does. of course, there is nothing like sonic youth,
medicine, or mbv at terribly loud volumes or at terribly loud volumes at
80mph in a car, but i find new layers of music in headphones. i feel like
charles u-edwards in saying this, but there is nothing like listening to
music with headphones and a spliff, regardless whether the music is
something wooshy-gooshy or your own. :) and don't forget to try it
backwards, too.
.j.
thank god finals are over...

these kiddies, i need to find a place to order after receiving xmas cd
stipends...

---
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andover '94                             http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~joanna
-
'any girl can be glamorous...
all you have to do is stand still and look stupid.'     - hedy lamarr

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:17:08 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: upcoming LA shows...?


Tomorrow Echobelly is playing at the...Roxy?

and Thursday Love and Rockets is doing a "surprise" show at the Hollywood
Grand for only 10 bucks.  Either before, during, or instead of Perversion.

Strick9

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  I'd like to see it happen, I hope it's true
  'Cause I can feel it, I hope it's true..."

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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:28:40 -0500
From: Michael Schlesinger (mns6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau new release


Actually, not ep's but a full length album, entitled Milk and Kisses.
Should be out in the US sometime in March or April, 1996.

Michael

On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Holly A. Hopey wrote:

> >
> >         To all the Cocteau Twins fans out there.  Has anyone bought the two 
ew
> > EP's that they just released? I think one is called Twinlights.
> >
> >         Could anyone tell me what they sound like before I pay 9 bucks for 4
> > songs?
> > Thanks
> >
> > Kenon Chen
> >
>
>         I've listened to them both (Twinlights and Rikean Heart - I
> think are the titles) and I found them both disappointing.  The
> first ep that they released is a very calm and very nothing piano.
> I do like the piano; I play it myself, but it was just sooooooo
> boring!  I was expecting the strummy dreamy guitar that is signature
> of CT but it wasn't there.  The second ep is more ambient and sort
> of dancy; but still not what you expect from them.  I guess they are
> trying to evolve and try new things, so I shouldn't be down on them
> for that.  But to put it another way - I have all of their other
> albums plus 12" and I did not by these two ep's.
>
> On the bright side - they are expected to release two more ep's
> after the new year.  maybe they can redeem themselves.
>
> Holly
>
>
>


Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:48:00 -0800
From: snowangel (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Richard's b-day and lovesliescrushing's label --->


  ok, richard is this guy. he knows elysium and honeywater and that dog.
  he actually *is* that dog's biggest fan. he talks to me at shows
  when he sees me. he sort of persued me for a year and a half, but he's
  not really my type at all. just a nice guy. he has his own "group",
  him reciting poetry while his friend plays guitar. i forget what they
  call themselves.

  lovesliescrushing are on projekt.
  lovesliescrushing are perfection.

  i have had a cough for almost 4 weeks...is there no end to this torture?...

  *k-j*  ...hack hack hack...

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:20:56 -0500
From: Michael Schlesinger (mns6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: japan stores


You should definitely check out a rental cd store in Machida-shi, Tokyo.
I can't remember the name of the place but going there would definitely
be worth your while, as they carry so much 4ad stuff and thislisty
stuff (like out-of-print, Japan only releases of Durutti Column). Here
is my best recollection of how to go.

        Take the Odakyu Line from Shinjuku; it takes roughly 40 minutes.
When you get out at Machida, ask where the McDonald's is (not the round
McDonalds, but the other one). Once you are facing the entrance to the
McDonald's, you will see stairs to your right (as I recall, right next to
a beauty aids/variety store).  Descend the stairs, and walk straight until
you reach an alley (the alley should be next to a pan-ya san (bread
shop)).  Go down the alley, go through a tunnel under the RR tracks (JR
Line), and you should see the place.

        You might have to become a member, but I think membership costs
around $5. You used to be able to rent 5 cd's at a time, $1.50 per.

        If you like classical, there is one at Ochanomizu that I quite
like; also one at Shibuya, almost directly across from the Tower Records
there.

Michael

On Mon, 18 Dec 1995 JEHEINDL@AMHERST.EDU wrote:

> So I'm going to be in Kyoto for a few days and hopefully in Tokyo
> for a few days.  Anybody have any suggestions as to good record
> shops to check out (aside from the HMV/Tower-type megastores)?
>
> broke as it is,
> jason eugene
>
>
>

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:00:03 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Ride & Bark Psychosis split!


Old news in Bark Psychosis's case, but it was confirmed in a recent
interview in the Wire with Graham Sutton - he was frustrated because he
had to use a real drummer instead of samples, apparently.  A shame,
because BP's beauty was that they were working on the edges of several
musical styles, and producing something unique, whereas Boymerang are
more of a mainstream jungle/techno thing.

Ride's Mark Gardener has left the group, according to today's NME, and
the other three will not continue as Ride.  There's a new album out next
year (March-ish), preceded by a single, but I'm not expecting much after
"Carnival of Shite".  They should have split a couple of years ago.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 20/12/95
On my walkman this morning : Main - Dry Stone Feed
Into his mind the turbid ebb and flow

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:40:35 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: thelovesliescrushingwar


On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Ryan wrote:

> e also writes about lovesliescrushing:
> >As a rule, my guitar
> >has come up with more interesting music on its own while I left the room,
> >and this is not a joke.
>
> And, when I pressed him on this as to why LLC is signed and why he's not, e
> replies:
> >If I had recorded it and sent it to Projekt, I'm sure it would have been
> >given serious consideration.
>
> Don't be so sure about anything please (especially getting on a label).
> And what's with this 'IF' you recorded it blah..blah..?  Sounds like hot
> air to me.

Uh, ok. I take it back. If I had recorded it, I'm sure it would still be
in Projekt's huge slush pile.

> The *fact is* that you didn't record and send it in, and the
> reason why is most likely is that you *never* had anything to send in. If
> it's so damn easy for you to get these great guitar sounds, it'd be quite
> easy for you to re-create and record it!

I said *more interesting*, not great. I did not even say GOOD. If you in
fact read my review, you know full well that I think the
lovesliescrushing track is boring, hackneyed shit. I think you are
intentionally pretending that my point is something other than what it
was. Why are you doing this over a ten line review of a cover of jingle
bells? I said my guitar can write better music than lovesliescrushing; I
don't deny that most likely everyone on this list can write better music
than both. Note that I never claimed of myself any skill or talent at
all; this is my opinion of it, as a listener; the last time I checked,
that's what all record reviews were. It has nothing to do with my
prediction for whether someone's demo will be accepted or rejected.

> As the Nike add says: Just do it.
> Let's really hear it!  Talk is cheap my friend, but a *real* (not
> imaginary) demo tape can land you a deal that will give you thousands of
> dollars and an international audience for your art.

Christ almighty. The whole point of the review and the followup message
was that lovesliescrushing's music is undesigned, random rubbish. I would
never send something like it to any record label and seriously doubt you
would either. I believe they are hiding bad music and bad performances
behind walls of sound, and I will gladly eat my words when they let us
actually hear what they have written and played.

 e


Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 06:19:55 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Whatever happened to..?


Slowdive soundtracks? I haven't heard anyone talk about this stuff in
quite a while.

That new Pieter Nooten material? Did anyone ever manage to contact his
web site? (If so, can I have a copy of something?)

The ol' 4ad-l poll? Don't we normally have that going on around now? I
recall the IDM poll coming first and now that's almost over. Or was it
back in November when I was only semi-conscious?

Area reissues?

That new Cure album that was supposed to come out in August? :)

Stupid Bonus Question: The FSA song Instrumental Wish; where, if
anywhere, is it from? Is it exclusive to Excursions in Ambience: The
Fourth Frontier? Is their newer material anything like this track?
Because I dig this track. :) The comp also has new Labradford and FSOL
songs and is generally phat shit all around. I am just now coming to
realize how great this series of comps is, especially the second one. Too
bad they no longer come out quite as often.


 einexile, who bought new christmas music
  but listened to vince guaraldi instead
       (who needs anything else?)



ps toy story is the shit


Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 07:03:36 -0800
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: St Etienned to death


On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Andrew Norman wrote:

> And finally, Saint Etienne...
>               ...about the remix CD - here's what's on it:

> Only Love Can Break Your Heart - Andrew Weatherall (somebody claimed
>   this was not the "mix of two halves", but it sounds identical to the
>   one on my CD single)

        The "mix of two halves" on my CD single (from the US) clocks in
at 6:19 while this version clocks in at 8:43 and has some extra female
spoken word bits.  Both are obviously by Weatherall, but I just wonder what
this on is called or if it _is_ "mix of two halves", then my single is
mislabeled and what is that mix called?

        Happy holidays,
        David

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:31:10 +0000
From: "Howlin' Penguin" (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Kostars & Ladies who Lunch


Big thank you to the bloke in Ireland, Hugh I think (I delete things
far too quickly) for the mail about the Kostars and Ladies who Lunch
singles.

I was in town picking up new glasses and feeling depressed at having
spent approx stlg100 right in the middle of the drinking season so
inspired by your mail I nipped in to Piccadilly Records and there
they were in the imports section. Marvelous they are too. Kostars ,
Hey Cowboy (shocking pink vinyl and free sticker) is semi acoustic
slow songs which are really sweet. Ladies Who Lunch, Present : Kims
we love (red vinyl) is as described a cover of Gigantic and Bull in
the Heather (sonic youth) done on kids keyboards and sounds
considerably more adorable than it should.

Once again thank you I feel a much happier soul for getting those.

Richard (who for the xmas period only is masquerading as Howlin'
Penguin)


Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:57:00 GMT
From: Paul Rankine (Paul.Rankine@MAIL.SEMA.CO.UK)
Subject: Excellent 'thislisty' mag


Apologies if this has been mentioned previously...

I stumbled across an excellent magazine yesterday ....its called 'Music from
the Empty Quarter'(MFTEQ)and covers the ethereal/ambient (and all the bits
in between) side of the music spectrum.  Especially appealing was the free
CD from Hyperium on the cover - called 'Zauber of Music Vol II' and features
all the stalwarts from the Hyperium (and their associated) labels including
their commercial tie-ups with Projekt etc eg Stoa, Black Rose, Love is
Colder than Death, Love Spiral Downwards, Chandeen, Lycia, Sleeping Dogs
Wake etc.  There was an also an interesting article with the founder of
Hyperium, which is almost a carbon copy of the 4AD story, although it was
stated that Hyperium will continue to support and release bands whose music
is sympathetic to the  Hyperium 'house style', with little emphasis on the
commercial aspects of the release(s).  Apparently Hyperium have released
over 180 titles in their 5 years of existence, why havent I got them all
??????

I sincerely hope that they stick to their principles and maintain their
ability to release some terrific stuff.  A quick comparison between the
Hyperium sampler and the recent 4AD sampler clearly shows (IMHO of course)
the vast cavern of difference in quality of current acts on the labels ...no
hillbilly country crap or punk wannabees on Hyperium !!.  MFTEQ did give The
Mirror Pool a great review, while not Giving Chandeen's Jutland CD much
praise...personally I think Jutland is a more complete album to the previous
Chandeen offering.   Black Rose sound very interesting, anyone out there got
their album ??
Merry Christmas and all the best for the new year to everyone,
Cheers

Paul

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:55:39 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Ride & Bark Psychosis split!


>Old news in Bark Psychosis's case, but it was confirmed in a recent
>Ride's Mark Gardener has left the group, according to today's NME, and
>the other three will not continue as Ride.  There's a new album out next

and here i was thinking you were going to tell us that they'd released a 7"
together. . .

RIP,

BiZ


Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:52:13 -0500
From: rebecca fagan (rfagan@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: Rachel's #2??????


>About a month ago, I seen numerous posts on the list in reference to a new
>album from Rachel's as a follow-up to "Handwriting".
>
>All the local "goodie" shops have "Handwriting", and even have it listed in
>their books, but they know nothing about album #2.
>
>Anyone got any info??


I spoke with the guitarist at their show in boston and he said they
expected to have something out in June.

r

rebecca fagan
rfagan@tiac.net (try this one first)
fagan@pja-net.com

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:03:37 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to..?


>Slowdive soundtracks? I haven't heard anyone talk about this stuff in
>quite a while.

well, the only one no one seems to know about is "the doom generation,"
which has one song from pygmalion, "blue skied an' clear."  it also has the
spooky remix of lush's "undertow," so it's worth the $10 or whatever if you
don't have these two tracks.

>The ol' 4ad-l poll? Don't we normally have that going on around now? I
>recall the IDM poll coming first and now that's almost over. Or was it
>back in November when I was only semi-conscious?

no, would that be best of the year?  here's mine:

1. pygmalion
1. pram: sargasso sea
1. movietone
1. fsa: further
2. esp summer 10"
3. ftww:  buy mine for $100!!!  ;)

worst of the year:

1. the boo radleys:  wake up
2. that cure album they never released
3. the new mbv album ;)

>Stupid Bonus Question: The FSA song Instrumental Wish; where, if

i think it's on chorus.

>>ps toy story is the shit

of course you like disney movies, you nazi rascist you. ;)

full of smileys,

BiZ, who should be packing


Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 16:18:46 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Yet more St Et, and FSA etc.


einexile the meek  wrote:
 >
 > Stupid Bonus Question: The FSA song Instrumental Wish; where, if
 > anywhere, is it from? Is it exclusive to Excursions in Ambience:
 > The Fourth Frontier? Is their newer material anything like this
 > track?  Because I dig this track. :)

It's on "Distance", a compilation of their early singles and some extra
stuff, and I think it's their best album - the second "Oceans" from
that album is similar, and "Further" has a similar long piece called
"To the Shore".  It is *not* an instrumental version of the song "Wish"
from their first album.

 > The comp also has new  Labradford

I'm starting to feel faint...

 > and FSOL songs and is  generally phat shit all around.   I am
 > just now coming to  realize how great this series of comps  is,
 > especially the  second one. Too bad they no longer come out
 > quite as often.

I only have the third, as we have to pay lots of money for them on this
side of the pond, but that one is a top-notch compilation, and it
sounds as if the fourth one might be just as good.  The third one has
exclusive stuff by Seefeel, Sonic Boom, FSOL etc, and is the only place
that the nineteenth track from the Aphex Twin's SAWII can be found
(other than the UK vinyl version).

David Mccallum  wrote:
 >
 > On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Andrew Norman wrote:
 >
 > > And finally, Saint Etienne...
 > > ...about the remix CD - here's what's on it:
 > >
 > > Only Love Can Break Your Heart - Andrew Weatherall (somebody
 > > claimed this was not the "mix of two halves", but it sounds
 > > identical to the one on my CD single)
 >
 > The "mix of two halves" on my CD single (from the US) clocks in
 > at 6:19 while this version clocks in at 8:43 and has some extra
 > female spoken word bits.  Both are obviously by Weatherall, but
 > I just wonder what this on is called or if it _is_ "mix of two
 > halves", then my single is mislabeled and what is that mix
 > called?

On my UK CD single, there is the regular version, "Filthy", and the
Weatherall mix - like the album Weatherall mix, it's 8:40ish long, and
has a woman saying "Cool and deadly" a few times and something about a
DJ smoking a spliff, before the song proper starts several minutes in.
The US single (which I have seen a few times) has about half a dozen
mixes on it as I recall, so it's possible that one was mislabelled or
something.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 20/12/95
On my walkman this morning : Main - Dry Stone Feed
Into his mind the turbid ebb and flow

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:40:01 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Richard's bday and coughing


Um, thanks for the info k-j. And as a matter of fact, I have been coughing
ever since I had a cold a month ago too. Anyone knows how to bloody stop it!
It's impeding on my singing :(
Maybe I should quit smoking for a while :)

-nb-


Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:26:50 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Re: There's NOTHING wrong with AOL


>I'll probably never hear the end of this (or, I'll probably be ignored since
>I'm one of those AOL people) but:

There's nothing wrong with being on AOL (if you can afford it, more power
to you).

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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:53:17 -0800
From: Brian Keeley (gysin@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: Reality's Pocket Reviews


Hi folks,  If we can take a break from the oh-so-appropriate-to-
the-holiday-spirit bickering, here's some pocket reviews of recent
acquisitions.  Consider them my pressie to y'all.  BTW, be warned
that I don't review "new" stuff.  I mainly buy stuff 2nd-hand or
mail-order, so these releases aren't the newest latest.  But they're
new to me...

First up, I just got a wonderful order from IPR mailorder (run by
our very own Brandon Capps).  For ~60 bucks, I got a spiffy pile
of leftover IPR printed material (wedding invites, tickets from
old gigs, etc.) and...

fourwaycross - _Pendulum_ [IPR].  Since I figure this band will
probably not be reissued on CD anytime soon, I've decided to complete
my vinyl collection with this odds & sods compilation.  Hitting
material from 1984 to 1990, this collection samples the entire
band's career and has tracks from all of the various line-ups.
The earlier pre-Beth Thompson (now in Medicine) material sounds a
lot like the American version of the Joy Division motif that I
heard so much of  in indie bands of the early 80s.  As always, my
favorite 4way tracks are the instrumentals, and there are several
here, especially the two that come on the seven inch (the compilation
is an oddly formatted  ten-inch plus seven inch... but as always
a nice package in the IPR letter press style).  Still, I suggest
this puppy to those of you that know the band, and appreciate the
seminal role 4way, area, marnie and other goth-pop (to coin a label)
acts played.  But for the unitiated, I suggest tracking down one
of the out-of-print CDs of the later albums.

Slowdive - "Beach Song" flexi (Sunday).  Eeh.  The only thing this
has got going for it is the price.  For about $3 or so you can get
this outtake from one of their early sessions.  The songs themselves
are OK, but they are fatally wounded by the medium.  It's one of
those cheap "Eva-tone" flexis that will completely wear out in
about 10 plays.  Lots of background hiss (cheap vinyl) and mine
has the center hole punched *just*slightly* off center giving it
that ninicely warbly sound that just I just love... blech.  (Off
course, having said that, I just ruined my chance of ever reselling
it on 4AD-L... oh well, I'm only out a wopping 3 bucks.)

McCarthy- _Banking, violence and the inner life today_ [Midnight]
The Tim Gane's band, pre-StereolabSopackageWest Coast et $3 or so
you can get thesesnicest love... blech.  (Off course incarnation
.  And this album pretty much features all the members of the 'lab,
except in slightly different positions (Laetitia only sings back
up on two or three tracks).  McCarthy is also much more clearly
political in its lyrics (I wonder whether they meant Eugene or
Joseph?)  Titles include: "the well-fed point of view", "use a bank
i'd rather die", "the drinking song of the merchant bankers" and
they are all translated into three european languages for your
edification.  Anyway, a pleasant enough album with upbeat melodies
and some catchy lyrics though not as experimental or as synth-driven
as the 'lab.  For some reason it reminds me of a political version
of the inestimable (and criminally overlooked) CuD.

Breathless - _Heartburst_ [Satellite]  You know "The Jeweler" as
done by This Mortal Coil?  One of my all time favorite songs.
Anyway, this is a greatest hits CD from the band fronted by the
singer of that song, Dominic Appleton.  I don't know anything about
Breathless, but I quite like this compilation.  None of the songs
are quite as sparse and introspective as "The Jeweler", but some
come close.  The big difference is that where Ivo uses lots of
non-standard instrumentation (non-standard from the Rock'n'Roll
perspective) this is a straight-up rock band: vocalist, keyboards,
guitar, bass and drums.  While I did say it is not sparse , a lot
of room is left in the mix for the vocals (as is the case with
bands like RHP and the later Muses).  Anyway, while this disc won't
be played much when I just want to sit down and listen to music,
like my TMC discs, it will be a top choice when I want a soundtrack
for a dinner with friends.

_Just a Taste_ [Sumberland] - A sampler of bands from this Aussie
dreampopish label.  While pleasant enough, nothing really jumps
out and grabs me by the lapels and screams BUY EVERY RECORD BY THIS
BAND NOW!  This is pop music.  This is what the Velvets have sown.
Autohaze and Jupiter (now sadly defunct according to the ample
liner notes) are both cool, but I already knew about them.

_Sunny Sunday Smile_ [Sunday] - yes... THIS is the shit.  A sampler
from Illinois' Sunday records and I love this CD.  We're talking
sugary sweet pop to gloriously rot your teeth.  PO! reminds me of
what you would get if you combined the songwriting sensibilities
of cub with the vocal abilities of Amelia Fletcher (Talulah Gosh,
Heavenly).  Lots of very upbeat, bubblegum, twee as fuck bands
here.  They Go Boom!! (what is with these bands with all the
!!exclamation!! marks?) have the distinction of being the only
male-fronted band capable of pulling off this particular genre.
Their "Somewhere in England" is one of the most infectious songs
I've heard in some time.  Other acts here include The Rosaries,
The Proctors, Bulldozer Crash, Mrs. Kipling, Dolores Haze among
others.  There's not a dud on the CD, though at the moment I plan
to restrict my desparate Search For MORE to PO! and They Go Boom!!
Anybody want to offer me some advice?   Do they have some essential
CDs to buy?

That was the mail-order package.  While I was in the UK this summer
I picked up a few things, the best of which was a bootleg Pixies
CD,  _The B-side File_, 3rd edition.  I love this CD.  It compiles
together almost all the good and rare tracks from the CD-singles
and a few comps.  The only significant track it is missing is the
demo of "Tame" from the Spiral Scratch 3-inch (which I already have
from a previous UK trip, natch!) Since I love the Pixies for their
quirkiness, I love this CD, from the 12-inch mix of "Gigantic!" to
the two versions of "In Heaven" (live and Peel session) to the Kim
Deal songs that didn't make it onto the album but which sound an
awful lot like the Breeders ("Into the White").  I only wish 4AD
would get their heads out of their asses long enough to release a
collection like this legit so I don't have to support bootleggers.

OK, back to real life now.  Hope you enjoyed your pressie!  Comments,
supporting testimony, and opinions (whether right or WRONG)
welcome.

Reality


Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:14:31 -0800
From: Chris Lundeen (lundeen@LULU.MOSCOW.COM)
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to..?


Regarding the Cure, it is now scheduled for Feb., but I`m not holding my
breath.  Rumor has it that some friends of mine have seen copies in
Seattle, but until I see it for myself. . .

                        - Chris


Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:11:40 -0800
From: Chris Lundeen (lundeen@LULU.MOSCOW.COM)
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to..?


In regards to Pieter Nooten, I found a website with LOTS of stereo MPEGs,
he is now working with his younger brother Tino in a number of groups,

                CYBERIA       > techno
                FIRST CONTACT > pop dance
                FINGERPRINCE  > trance
                SANTA PRISCA  > ambient
                ACTION PLANET > club sounds

        http://riverland1.riv.net/yuliana/hypercycle/

So far, I have only listened to the MPEGs for CYBERIA, and it is, as
atated above, very techno, much different than `Sleeps with the Fishes`,
but I kinda like it anyway.  Give it a listen.

                        - Chris

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:11:42 -0400
From: "Rick W." (rickaroo@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Big Monster Fish hook


Wonderful band!

Lovely!

Saw them again for the first time (well, the 5th or so) last week..(they
played with Mistle Thrush this week, Turkish Delight two weeks ago) They
are better than ever. Lisa just keeps improving and impvoving her vocals...

The music scene is so rewarding here in Boston, and Big Monster Fish Hook
are one of the most rewarding bands here...


Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:45:47 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to..?


You wrote:
>
>>Slowdive soundtracks? I haven't heard anyone talk about this stuff in
>>quite a while.
>
>well, the only one no one seems to know about is "the doom
generation,"
>which has one song from pygmalion, "blue skied an' clear."  it also
has the
>spooky remix of lush's "undertow," so it's worth the $10 or whatever
if you
>don't have these two tracks.
>

here is the track listing for anyone who would like it:

1. intro (some senseless babbling)
2. On the wheel- Curve
3. this heaven- love and rockets
4. summerblink- Cocteau Twins (hey, i guess this was a thislisty post
after all)
5. Christianity (adrian sherwood mix)- TWP
6. paradise now (remix)- meat beat manifesto
7. Already there- verve
8. penetration- JAMC
9. but if you go- mc 900 ft. jesus
10. undertow (spooky mix)- lush
11. doubel coupon- babyland
12. slut- medicine
13. groovy is my name- pizzicato 5
14. violator- extra fancy
15. blue skied an' clear- slowdive

there you go!

                    -robert.

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:48:43 GMT
From: Ian McCausland (Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: Re: Fwd: Cocteau Twins on Baywatch


Oh Ma Gawd!

thats scary


Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 16:46:58 -0800
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to..?


> >>Slowdive soundtracks? I haven't heard anyone talk about this stuff in
> >>quite a while.
> >
> >well, the only one no one seems to know about is "the doom
> generation,"

the only one i don't seem to know about is that "he's the elephant, i'm
the mouse" thing.  the title was something like that, right?  does anyone
know if this movie was ever released?

and because i'm too darn lazy to check for myself, is there any
difference whatsoever between the holding our breath test pressing songs
and the final versions?  i never seem to have the two in the same place at
the same time.  I slapped the vinyl on the table the other day and it
sounded like i remember the cd sounding.  anybody know?  The reason i ask is
i've talked to someone who has a
different mix of the ep and i thought it might just be from the t.p.


Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 02:50:59 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to..?

              -0800

einexile the meek  writes:

> The ol' 4ad-l poll? Don't we normally have that going on around now?

Yes?  I forgot, and then I didn't think I'd have time.  Which I
didn't.  So I didn't do the poll this year.

*Bad* Lars.  *Bad*.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:34:42 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Just gave a listen to Flowchart at the station today


I was curious to hear Flowchart, their CD _"multi-personality tabletop
vacation"_, since people had compared them to Stereolab. (Perhaps they
are the first Stereolab-copy band?) The CD is on Carrot Top Records and
the band seems to be from New Jersey.
        Yes, the Stereolab connections are pretty clear, from the artwork
and liner notes about audio, to the song titles, to the sound itself.
So as long as everyone knows what Stereolab sounds like, that's the best
place to start (If you don't, shame on you!)
        A random collection of impressions:
The singer has an thin, icy style, much like Lush or the Slowdive I've heard.
Compared to Stereolab the music is more keyboard/organ based but they don't
have those groovin' bass lines that are so cool.
They make liberal use of the "bap badup badup badu-" vox lines.
There are some pretty good one or two chord drone-psych jams but some of
them seem flat, like they don't progress when you want them to, and don't
break over the top, the wave doesn't crest.
A couple songs have a free sine oscillator running around that is half
fun, but half irritating like a little bug.

        Two songs that caught my ear are in the middle of the CD.
"fossil experiment delayed," which is the heaviest on the crazy keyboard
sounds with some nice wacked out electronic bleeps and noises. It goes into
a dirty-guitar jam section that could be compared to a song on _Transient
Random Noise..._ "neronization of igloos" starts with nice exotica-vox
harmonies but they never reappear, which is unfortunate. The vox melody
is slow and relaxed, but with some shape to it (i.e. it goes somewhere.)
The song breaks into a fast one note psych jam for a bit, then returns
to the slower A section.

        What I miss (compared to Stereolab) are the really catchy pop melodies
that make you start bopping around the room and off the walls. Flowchart,
perhaps, is not going for that sound at all. Who know? Maybe they deny any
influence of Stereolab at all, but no one would believe them.
I'm not going to buy it, but then I'm too poor to buy anything other
than rent and food (sometimes) {except _Otherness_, which was mandatory.}

-nck
better go bake cookies or I'll never finish them.
everyone send kelli-jean fuzzy, velour get-well cards so she stops getting sick.

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:47:52 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to..?


>well, the only one no one seems to know about is "the doom
generation,"
>which has one song from pygmalion, "blue skied an' clear."  it also
has the

Hey, stop it with that _Doom Generation_ stuff! %^> huff, huff, huff

I'm sure someone has more accurate info than this, but what e was asking
about was an entire movie soundtrack that Slowdive was supposed to do.
I was sure I'd read it in at least two places (yeah right, 4ad-l and
dreampop-l) but I just hopped around the web to make sure.
The Creation Slowdive page has a link called Slowdive and Soundtracks
but they seemed to have killed it, along with Neil's West Coast Surf Diary.
I'm surprised they even have a Slowdive page still; maybe they want
get as much out of their catalog as they can...
The link for Slowdive's Future Plans gives the following info:

A journey through Tibet is being planned and it will be documented by the
erstwhile young director Mr Wise with music provided by the band.

Maybe this is what that old thread was about. I can remember any more.
My guess would be that it was never made or finished.

hope this helps,
-nck


Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:58:38 -0500
From: "I love Beethoven, especially the poems" (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: shit guitar(TM)/schizophrenia/sound file attachments


>  when i think of slowdive, i think of jOHN. we used to sleep to pygmalion
>  all the time...that and spiritualized stuff..and fsa. *sigh*

Cripes, that's a lot of good music he's ruined for you then. Fortunately
nothing in my CD collection reminds me of jOHN

>> Actually, that kind of guitar is more common than you'd think. Brad Laner
>> has one - you just plug it in and off it goes. They're very cheap too. I bet
>> you think schizophrenia means having a split personality, don't you?
>
>  indeedy. The Shit Guitar. ;) hey...come to think of it...i didn't see
>  that ol' thang at their last show. hm.

I got the impression it was just for in the studio...it's not included in
Brad's setup on the Dreampop site

>  one can't define schizophrenia, can they?  sorry..i know no one cares
>  about this stuff....

Actually, what I meant was that the person who wondered if schizophrenia ran
in e's family probably believed, like all too many people, that it involved
having split or multiple personalities. It can, but that's by far the rarest
form of it. The symptoms are usually such things as hearing voices and, as
Kristin Hersh once sang:

"I keep looking in the mirror/Afraid that I won't be there"

>1. can you post messages with sound attachments to the list?
>2. which type of sound file (AU, wav, etc) would be most prefered by the
>listers?

I don't know about everyone else, but .wavs would be nice, since you would
be able to put them in your Windows directory and use them instead of all
the default bells and whistles...

L

eggnog makes you phlegmy