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Subject: Re: Pail Saints a-go-go/Lilliput Versace T
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 20:30:36 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: IUMA oddity - no 4AD content
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:50:55 CST
From: Steven W Hill (shill@HARPER.CC.IL.US)
Subject: Re: IUMA oddity - no 4AD content
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 01:44:51 -0500
From: "Susan E. Kaup" (susan@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: Happy Holidays from 4AD
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:45:22 -0800
From: ianc@iuma.COM (Robert Lord)
Subject: Re: leaf ep
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 02:12:17 -0600
From: Sung Shim (foss@WWA.COM)
Subject: about that next elysium show...
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:25:47 -0800
From: snowangel (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Elysium review
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 02:22:33 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Facing the Wrong Way, St Etienne, Belly
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:59:34 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: i also wanna plug some more electric company releases...
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:52:53 -0800
From: snowangel (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: Sugar Plant/ Mo Boma
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 04:57:00 CDT
From: Igor V Boronenkov (BORODA@MACC.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Mistle Thrush/ An April March
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 04:59:00 CDT
From: Igor V Boronenkov (BORODA@MACC.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Raison d'etre/Cold Meat industry
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 04:58:00 CDT
From: Igor V Boronenkov (BORODA@MACC.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: li'l whos, christmas, and no flame ...also no 4ad content...
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:08:59 +0100
From: Katy Renick (katy.renick@STUDENT.UNI-TUEBINGEN.DE)
Subject: japan stores
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:53:50 -0500
From: JEHEINDL@AMHERST.EDU
Subject: Cocteau's Snow
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:44:52 -0800
From: [suppressed]
Subject: 4ADult Contemporary
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:04:55 -0500
From: SortSol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Cocteau's Snow
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:17:28 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: and also the trees
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:03:36 EST
From: marianne hodge (HODGEM@stjohns.edu)
Subject: 4AD sampler trade...
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 08:27:08 -0800
From: "Chris.Hanks" (luna@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: There's NOTHING wrong with 4AD
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:37:42 -0500
From: TMParade@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Cocteau new release
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:58:30 EST
From: "Holly A. Hopey" (bio4hah@CABELL.VCU.EDU)
Subject: Re: japan stores
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 02:03:07 +0900
From: naoyuki fukumoto (nao@SUPER.WIN.OR.JP)
Subject: Re: 4AD sampler trade...
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:00:28 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Cocteau new release
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 19:12:36 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: big monster fish hook
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:12:30 -0500
From: Scott (humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: Re: WWW as distributed multimedia database
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 19:31:08 +0000
From: Gary Hill (gjh@ECS.SOTON.AC.UK)
Subject: 'scuse me, big monster fish hook person....
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:54:24 -0800
From: snowangel (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Good Shows???
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:43:16 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: 4AD CDs FS/Trade
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:17:27 -0800
From: David Stack (dstack@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD CDs FS/Trade
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 18:33:00 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Mojave/LLC noise guitar/Steve/Nadim goes solo/Low Fi
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 20:04:08 -0500
From: "I love Beethoven, especially the poems" (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: one less liliput in the world
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 18:03:59 -0800
From: reicja00 (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: first post
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:20:04 -0500
From: Scott Anderson (humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 20:30:36 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Pail Saints a-go-go/Lilliput Versace T


> I read somewhere on the 4AD newsgroup that along with the now well known
> departure of RHP (who are on the verge of signing with Island supposedly) our
> beloved Ian-less Pail Saints have left/been dropped as well.

Mind you, I'm in a really foul mood right now, but
for god's sake! How many more times is Ivo going to shoot
himself in the foot! Sure they couldn't hold a candle
to the Ian version, but they still were a good listen.
Who's next? Dead Can Dance? Why don't they sever all ties
to their past so they can go full force into boring adult
contemporary, spurgazing* bullshit! 4AD is becoming less
and less relevant day by day.

*term coined by listie Paul Rankine. You heard it here first.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:50:55 CST
From: Steven W Hill (shill@HARPER.CC.IL.US)
Subject: Re: IUMA oddity - no 4AD content

              at Dec 18, 95 10:36 pm

> "I asked for a link to our Indie site and was told it would cost me $10,000
> per mounth with a minimum contract of one year. Thats $100,000.00 for thoes
> who can't multiply.

And it's $120,000.00 for those who *can*.
-shill
--
[][]  [][] Steve Hill, Network Communications Specialist, 708-925-6273
[]  []  [] Harper College, 1200 W Algonquin Rd, Palatine IL 60067-7398
           ----shill@harper.cc.il.us----http://www.harper.cc.il.us----
[]  []  []                  "Lousy Smarch weather!"
[][]  [][]       personal:(http://www.idis.com/shill/index.htm)


Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 01:44:51 -0500
From: "Susan E. Kaup" (susan@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: Re: IUMA oddity - no 4AD content


At 10:50 PM 12/18/95 CST,
>> "I asked for a link to our Indie site and was told it would cost me $10,000
>> per mounth with a minimum contract of one year. Thats $100,000.00 for thoes
>> who can't multiply.
>
>And it's $120,000.00 for those who *can*.
>-shill

heh. after mailing that i noticed that.....

back to your regularly scheduled dose of chatter.

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                Channel 1 Communications
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:45:22 -0800
From: Doraemon (zorg@ALOIS.ICON.PALO-ALTO.MED.VA.GOV)
Subject: Happy Holidays from 4AD (fwd)


I thought I would just send this out to those who haven't registered
at 'The Site' and the generally web-impaired.

------------------------------------------------------------
From: ianc@iuma.COM (Robert Lord)
Subject: Happy Holidays from 4AD



4AD and v23 would like to wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.
We look forward to enhancing The Site in the coming year to offer you an
interesting and effective resource on the art, the artists and the label.

Thank you for your support this year and we'll see you in 1996.

jh/4AD




--
Edward Wakabayashi                    /\   You've kissed everybody else's
Sleep Lab, x64227                     \/   so you can kiss my ass as well
zorg@alois.icon.palo-alto.med.va.gov  /\      -*Her Majesty the Baby*-
zorg@interramp.com                    \/


Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 02:12:17 -0600
From: Sung Shim (foss@WWA.COM)
Subject: Re: leaf ep


At 07:03 PM 12/18/95 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm not sure of the catalog number but it's called Invisible Soundtracks and it
>has N. Halsted w/ others under the name of Being i think.  Also, Disjecta,
>Gescom, and somebody else.

     no, the track by Being is not N.Halstead.  (If that's what you were
implying).  Being is completely different entity (was going to say being..),
N.Halstead is under the psuedonym Zurich and also includes Tony F. Wilson.

sung
---
  foss@wwa.com
  http://shoga.wwa.com/~foss/

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:25:47 -0800
From: snowangel (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: about that next elysium show...


  that i'm actually invited to...richard {the b-day boy} said that
  petra whatsherface's {that dog, rentals} band recess will also be
  playing. i've heard some good things about them...


  k


Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 02:22:33 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Re: Elysium review


>(I suck at reviews because I look at it from an emotional point of
>view rather than technical).

This is precisely why you DON'T suck at reviews. Keep looking at it from an
emotional point of view.

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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:59:34 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Facing the Wrong Way, St Etienne, Belly

              Garage" at Dec 18, 95 01:01:12 pm

Intergalactic Garage  wrote:
>
> FACING THE WRONG WAY (UK) 4AD CD also avail for $22.50
>

Just posted off presents to my brothers, in time for them to arrive
somewhere in February, so it must be Christmas.  I have three spare
copies of this compilation (just a reminder - there's nothing on it
that isn't now available on official 4AD releases), which I'm willing
to part with for $50 each, or a straight swap for the limited edition
"This Rimy River".  Or, if you think that's a bit of a rip-off, send me
an E-mail with the subject "FTWW", and I'll randomly select two from
exotic locations (i.e. not the UK, its antipodean cousins or the USA,
places where FTWW isn't likely to have appeared as an import) and one
from the rest of the world.  I may even post them to you some time
before Easter.  Offer closes on the 15th of January.

Belly's "King" was one of the Observer's top six albums of the year (the
Observer is a left-of-centre Sunday newspaper, which has been going for
about 200 years).

And finally, Saint Etienne.  A certain list scapegoat, internationally
wanted war criminal and the man personally responsible for the
continued non-appearance of the My Bloody Valentine album (you know who
you are) was asking about the remix CD - here's what's on it:

Like a Motorway - Chemical Brothers (from the CD single, they were
  calling themselves the Dust Brothers back then as a "tribute" to the
  US mixers of that name - a bit like a UK nouveau punk band calling
  themselves Green Day and expecting no-one to mind)
Join Our Club - Billy Nasty (from the CD single)
Pale Movie - Secret Knowledge (ditto)
Speedwell - Dean Thatcher (this one *isn't* from the CD single, there
  are various mixes listed on the web pages at
    http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~baileya/Saint-Etienne/
  it's not much good, anyway)
Only Love Can Break Your Heart - Andrew Weatherall (somebody claimed
  this was not the "mix of two halves", but it sounds identical to the
  one on my CD single)
Who Do You Think You Are - Aphex Twin ("indie bands are shit")
Avenue - Gordon King (the "Variety Club" mix, I think, I prefer Rudi
  Tambala's myself)
Hug My Soul - Sure Is Pure
Like a Motorway - David Holmes

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 19/12/95
On my walkman this morning : Labradford - Prazision
Heard it on the Aegaean, and it brought

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:52:53 -0800
From: snowangel (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: i also wanna plug some more electric company releases...


  you brad laner fans may want to look for a "live" 10"/7" set, which
  really isn't live but we won't tell anyone now will we? :) and bradley
  says that there is a split 7" of medicine and sixteen deluxe coming
  out..i think it's with some zine i've never heard of before.... *shrug*


  *k*

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 04:57:00 CDT
From: Igor V Boronenkov (BORODA@MACC.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Sugar Plant/ Mo Boma


Sugar Plant     Hiding Place  (Pop narcotic,95)

Very simple slow guitar/bass only arrangements will immedeately appeal to
Galaxie 500 etc fans. Chinatsu Shoyama self-harmonizes in a bit husky manner
(hey, I am envy: almost no accent!) on the backdrop of slow-burn guitar solos of
Shinichi Ogawa. Did I say slow? Uhm, Japan's not that exotic as it may seem...

Mo Boma   Jijimuge  (Extreme/distr. by cargo, 92)

Fans of ebow unite! A poor guy (Carsten Tiedemann) sweats over the strings,
while infinite guitar has been already invented. Will I also sound like Michael
Brook when I try this gadget? Anyway, very smooth, textured album of
instrumental music, graced by ethnic percussion patterns (merit of Jamshied
Sharifi). Immedeately brings to mind "Cobalt Blue". Very professional.

Salute.Boroda

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 04:59:00 CDT
From: Igor V Boronenkov (BORODA@MACC.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Mistle Thrush/ An April March


Looks like Bedazzled keeps churnin'em out. One of the realiable providers of
things ethereal these days. Does ethereal mean fem. voc. anyway? The thing about
bedazzled is that i always know I won't be disappointed, at least. Above the
average quality with occasional gems (Strange Boutique, Siddal for me). Keep it
going, Steve!

Mistle Thrush   Silt

With this one, the dirty word "commercial success" has a good chance to
materialize. Brighton, Mass. five-some has a knack of creating SONGS with enough
variety and professionalism,that brings to mind the first Cranberries
mega-seller. Valerie Forgione is in lucky possession of a deep and versatile
voice, that promises to keep the things together starting with a dreamy opener
"freshwater". "Flowereyed" proves my Cranberries comparison. The only thing that
annoys me a little is this pseudo-Irish whiny thing she does at the ends of the
lines. Well, who knows, maybe,she's indeed Irish, but the point is that it is on
the verge of turning a homage into copying. this is my only complain. delicate
percussion, strummy/effected guitars attenuate great and many melodic songs. The
latter sadly lacks from some of the too reverb-indulgent efforts in the genre.
 I'd put this one up with Elysium's "Glisten", good stuff.

An April March  Instruments of Lust and Fury (ep)

Right from the first track you get to learn that these Canadians have studied
their Cocteaux albums pretty well. Chriss Perry and Danella Hocevar stomp on
"Guthrie" pedal (and,boy,they do it quite well), while Michael Klug emilates the
drum machine. The singing here is more or less earthy,though. Not exceptional,
but quite pleasant. Six songs long, this EP is exactly the right length,so you
don't have to reach out to put anything else for a change. You got it: pleasant
atmosphere, but fading into a blur. around 6 on a scale of 10

Boroda

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 04:58:00 CDT
From: Igor V Boronenkov (BORODA@MACC.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Raison d'etre/Cold Meat industry


Hey,everybody.
Got some stuff from Darkwave to feed a little goth inside..

Raison d'etre     prospectus I (Cold meat industry,93)
Shinjuku Thief    The Witch Hammer (Relic/Dorobo, 93)

These two come together stylistically. Spooky stuff. Both projects may be old
news for somebody, but are nontheless relatively obscure,yet noteworthy. Music
for kinda omnious arcane rituals. Never leaves the slow pace, interlacing the
oh-so-gloomy drones'n'moans a-la Lycia/Thanatos with more interesting powerful
orchestrated pieces in the vien of In the Nursery's "Duality" album. What is
enjoyable (what a freak i must be to really enjoy this kind of thing!)here, is
good taste enough to keep things dramatic without turning them into a joke
(can't keep from laughing, listening to Lycia's "day in the stark corner", the
thing really cheers me up). Enough variety (with the absence of clear vocals
being a good point, IMHO) to make a rather lengthy technical review as well.
all in all, recommended for a change, especially "Prospectus", which may end up
being the only "gothic industrial" album you'll wish to keep.

...and even wolves hid their teeth  (Cold Meat Industry sampler
     comp./darkwave,95)

Being quite intrigued by the obscure label and continuing a quest for a
parallel-universe Love (hm, :) Spirals Downwards, I took an opportunity to check
out this $12 sampler. Features tracks from previously released material (Raison
d'etre,Ildfrost,Morthound,Memorandum etc) and some new acts (Con Sono, Ordo
equilibrio etc) to keep us interested. Well, it fails to do so..  The only
accessible tracks are by seemingly reliable Les Raisones and Ildfrost (nice
simple flute line). The rest is pathetic spookiness, which will appeal only to
the hardcore fans of this kind of thing. Most of the compositions patiently
observe sort of neutered Thanatos agonising from asphyxia (sp?) while
convulsively holding the "Gloomy gothic drone" key. A downer. The quest
continues.

Aurora   The land of harm and appletrees  (Talitha/Cleopatra,93)

Heavenly voicish (TM) offshoot of a relatively popular German goth dance act
Project pitchfork. Readily reminds of Sleeping Dogs Wake and Chandeen, lacking
the spark of the latter. Rather nice, but sort of marginal. The voice
(P.Nigiani) stands up to HV standards,but lacks a bit in versatility
dept.Uhm,no,not that bad,but... enough said.

Boroda


Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:08:59 +0100
From: Katy Renick (katy.renick@STUDENT.UNI-TUEBINGEN.DE)
Subject: Re: li'l whos, christmas, and no flame ...also no 4ad content...


i've never had egg nog before. is it good? (i know, i know...i've been
living on the moon for the last 10 years....)

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:53:50 -0500
From: JEHEINDL@AMHERST.EDU
Subject: japan stores


So I'm going to be in Kyoto for a few days and hopefully in Tokyo
for a few days.  Anybody have any suggestions as to good record
shops to check out (aside from the HMV/Tower-type megastores)?

broke as it is,
jason eugene

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:44:52 -0800
From: [suppressed]
Subject: Cocteau's Snow


I've got two new(but unsealed, and this CD wasn't sealed by Fontana)
copies of Snow that I'm willing to auction (min$7) or trade.  Bidding
deadline
will be one month from today(I'll use Goldmine rules, plus this gives
people on Winter break some time).

As for trade, I've got a lot of 4ad stuff already, but Cocteau
oddballs/bootlegs are something I lack.  And if anyone has a poster of
Treasure they are willing to part with, I'll pay $ for it.


Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:04:55 -0500
From: SortSol@AOL.COM
Subject: 4ADult Contemporary


Brant said:

>>Sure they couldn't hold a candle to the Ian version, but they still were a
good listen. Who's next? Dead Can Dance? Why don't they sever all ties to
their past so they can go full force into boring adult contemporary,
spurgazing* bullshit! 4AD is becoming less and less relevant day by day.<<

Actually, DCD could be easily considered "adult contemporary" as could Heidi
Berry as was TMC (this based on the number of times each has been profiled on
very adult-oriented radio shows like ECHOES on the very adult-oriented
National Public Radio!).

Also, I really don't know why it comes as such a surprise to everyone that
Ivo signed Tarnation. This is a guy that's covered Emmylou Harris and Spirit.

Ivo has always said that the music on 4AD would always be a reflection of his
taste. Tastes do change.

I'd have to say that the things I've enjoyed the most from 4AD over the
years, have been the things that I've least expected to like. Things that are
more challenging. Things that broaden scope. Things that have prevented 4AD
from being a one-trick pony like C'est la Mort, Projekt and, yes, even
Factory (sacrilege!!!)

I hate Scheer just as much as the next guy, and I am not telling anyone what
to like by any means, but you shouldn't jump to hate music that you probably
wouldn't have listened to otherwise. This only shortchanges yourself. Music
that you may find initially disgusting, just may grow to be your favorite.

Also, this Pale Saint's thing is but a rumour, so before everyone goes on a
endless 4AD-bashing jag again, remember, bands can grow to suck. Should Ivo
have kept Xymox on (this is meant to be rhetorical)?


Sorty
(with not enough backbone to post under his official listy moniker, but, then
again, I can do whatever the hell I want to can't I)

P.S. The David Byrne / Selena duet is faboo!!!

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:17:28 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Cocteau's Snow


Copies of Twinlights and Otherness, combined with copies of Snow, are
being sold for $9.99 at HMV Records at Downtown Crossing in Boston
Massachusetts.  You can either buy a copy of Twinlights or a copy
of Otherness (i.e. they are not being packaged together), but each
one has a copy of Snow (artwork and all) wrapped up with it.  They
have a fairly large quantity of these available.  I don't know the
phone number, but you can get it easily enough via info at 617-555-1212.

Mike
iceblink@delphi.com


Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:03:36 EST
From: marianne hodge (HODGEM@stjohns.edu)
Subject: and also the trees


I am so excited to hear of AATT's new release.  I just bought
"from horizon to horizon" in nyc recently, and have all of their other
albums.  i was just about to order this cd directly from them
when i found it --saved me some serious
$$$$!  i have yet to get their videos -- does anyone have them??
i would love to hear about them, for i may be obtaining them in the
near future.

marianne

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Every second that you cling to life you have to feel alive


Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 08:27:08 -0800
From: "Chris.Hanks" (luna@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: 4AD sampler trade...


I have an extra copy of the 4AD Sampler

             ...think i'm getting the hang of it

I'd really like to trade straight up for the UK sampler

             Facing the Wrong Way

If any UK'er or otherwise is interested in this trade, please
contact me.

Thanks, all
Chris. (old enough to remember the real 4AD flame wars (Medicine!)
--
luna@teleport.com (who
--
Chris.
luna@teleport.com

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:37:42 -0500
From: TMParade@AOL.COM
Subject: There's NOTHING wrong with 4AD


I'll probably never hear the end of this (or, I'll probably be ignored since
I'm one of those AOL people) but:

I like Tarnation and Scheer--they're not the greatest, but I don't dislike
them either.

I like the v23 Modern Calendar--not their best work, but you have to admit,
it's still impressive and outrageous!

and

I like 4AD's growth and progress. Like someone else on the list mentioned,
they're NOT a one-trick pony.

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:58:30 EST
From: "Holly A. Hopey" (bio4hah@CABELL.VCU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau new release

              Dec 7, 95 1:44 pm

>
>         To all the Cocteau Twins fans out there.  Has anyone bought the two ne

> EP's that they just released? I think one is called Twinlights.
>
>         Could anyone tell me what they sound like before I pay 9 bucks for 4
> songs?
> Thanks
>
> Kenon Chen
>

        I've listened to them both (Twinlights and Rikean Heart - I
think are the titles) and I found them both disappointing.  The
first ep that they released is a very calm and very nothing piano.
I do like the piano; I play it myself, but it was just sooooooo
boring!  I was expecting the strummy dreamy guitar that is signature
of CT but it wasn't there.  The second ep is more ambient and sort
of dancy; but still not what you expect from them.  I guess they are
trying to evolve and try new things, so I shouldn't be down on them
for that.  But to put it another way - I have all of their other
albums plus 12" and I did not by these two ep's.

On the bright side - they are expected to release two more ep's
after the new year.  maybe they can redeem themselves.

Holly


Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 02:03:07 +0900
From: naoyuki fukumoto (nao@SUPER.WIN.OR.JP)
Subject: Re: japan stores


At  5:53 PM 95.12.18 -0500, JEHEINDL@AMHERST.EDU wrote:
>So I'm going to be in Kyoto for a few days and hopefully in Tokyo
>for a few days.  Anybody have any suggestions as to good record
>shops to check out (aside from the HMV/Tower-type megastores)?
>
>broke as it is,
>jason eugene

halo jason, this is from tokyo.

i know some shops that worth to be recommend.

"DMS Music" (Shibuya, Tokyo) has plenty of rare alternetive music.
recently i got sort sol's single"Marble Station", Early Dif juz's LP in here.

if you have interest in it, i'll check it's correct address.

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:00:28 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: 4AD sampler trade...


> Chris. (old enough to remember the real 4AD flame wars (Medicine!)
> --


Ai, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

hehehehehehehehehe....


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cue? ;)


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  I'd like to see it happen, I hope it's true
  'Cause I can feel it, I hope it's true..."

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                                   heart off and on.  It's no matter who is
                                     right or who is wrong"

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                                                  beswick@scf.usc.edu


Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 19:12:36 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: Cocteau new release


On Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:58:30 EST, you wrote:

>>
>>         To all the Cocteau Twins fans out there.  Has anyone bought the two n
w
>> EP's that they just released? I think one is called Twinlights.
>>
>>         Could anyone tell me what they sound like before I pay 9 bucks for 4
>> songs?
>> Thanks
>>
>> Kenon Chen
>>
>
They're called "Twinlights" and "Otherness".They're very different,
and opinions vary enormously.

"Twinlights" is an acoustic affair with very few vocal overdubs. If
you're into lushness of production, or dancy beats, it isn't at all
for you. Many longtime CT fans have underwhelmed by it. But I loved
the intimacy, and would highly recommend it. It includes three new
tracks and a new version of "Pink Orange Red".

"Otherness" is a collection of remixes by Mark Clifford of Seefeel:
two new songs and "Cherry Coloured Funk" and "Feet-like Fins". Liz's
voice is more or less MIA (except for "Violaine"): since it's been the
focus of my adoration of the group (and one of the reasons I loved
didn't find the EP very appealing as a whole, though it has grown on
me. But if you're into ambient, and especially if you're into Mark
Clifford of course, it's for you.

IMHO, one should buy everything the CT release.

Paul

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:12:30 -0500
From: Scott (humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: big monster fish hook


has anyone out there heard of big monster fish hook?

if there is enough interest, i'll post a song...

check out http://www.popes.com:80/demou/07_31_95.html   for
a review in the alternative press.

feedback can be posted to the list or private, thanks...

"regret not what you have done, only that which you have not"


Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 19:31:08 +0000
From: Gary Hill (gjh@ECS.SOTON.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: WWW as distributed multimedia database

              multimedia database" (Dec 16,  2:36am)

On Dec 16,  2:36am, Brendon Macaraeg wrote:
> Subject: WWW as distributed multimedia database
> Andrew Norman wrote:
> The Mojave 3 interview page, by the way, is 48% loaded, ten minutes
> after I started.  Netscape tells me there are twelve minutes to go, and
> I think I'm about to look at Mirsky's "worst of the web" instead.
> ===================
>
> You have "high speed" access? Come on now! I have a 28.8 SLIP
> connection and the 4AD pages don't take that long to load!
>

But fortunately you're not on the wrong side of the transatlantic link. All the
local bandwidth possible can't fix the rather pitiful connection that UK
academic sites have to the US.

Gary


Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:54:24 -0800
From: snowangel (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: 'scuse me, big monster fish hook person....


  ..uh, i accidentally erased the note that just came into
  my box, but i *did* go see that review and it all sounds very
  keen...how does one get to hear this group?


  *k-j*  ...anyone know of good upcoming LA shows? i'm bored...


Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:43:16 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Good Shows???


k-j wrote:

---
  *k-j*  ...anyone know of good upcoming LA shows? i'm bored...
---

Urm, I was wondering the same, any input anyone


-nb-  gotta take a smoke break, before work breaks me.

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:17:27 -0800
From: David Stack (dstack@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: 4AD CDs FS/Trade

              an Ear" at Dec 19, 95 10:17:28 am

Full Length CDs
===============
Pixes - Come On Pilgrim.................................................$8
Liquorice - Listening Cap...............................................$6
All Virgos are Mad - 4AD compilation.  (Brand new & still in shrink wrap).20
Think I'm Getting the Hang of it - 4AD Compilation w/ Hidden Mojave Track.20
Kendra Smith - Five ways of Disappearing (promo Advance CD)
  (B&W photo on the jewel insert).......................................$8

CD Singles
==========
Breeders - Saints (3 Tracks, Import from Canada.  Early Demo of Cannonball
                   also New Year Demo, and Saints)......................$12
Breeders - Divine Hammer (US, 4 Tracks).................................$3
Belly - Slowdush EP (Bad 2009 Import)...................................$9
Belly - Feed the Tree (4AD Import, BAD 3001, 4 tracks)..................$9
Ride - I Don't Know Where It Comes From (4 trk Import, 3 live, Creation.$6
Silverfish - Damm Fine Ep ( 4 Track import, Creation)...................$3
The Future Sound of London - Far Out Of Lung ...Madman (Import).........$6
Scheer - Schism ep -Import (Sometimes, You said, Baby Size,
                            Take you anywhere)..........................$7

Box Sets
========
This Mortal Coil 4 CD box set 1983-1991 (Box and 28 page booklet).......$40
Disc 1: It'll End in Tears (12 Tracks)
Disc 2: Filigree & Shadow (25  Tracks)
Disc 3: Blood (21 tracks)
Disc 4: Original Version (21 tracks listed below)
 Another Day
 Mr. Somewhere
 With Tomorrow
 Holocaust
 Kangaroo
 Carolyn's Song
 I Want to Live
 Alone (On Piano)
 Drugs
 Help Me lift you up
 Song to the Siren
 Morning Glory
 I must have been blind
 Several Times
 The Jewller
 I come and stand at every door
 I am the cosmos
 You and your ister
 'till I gain control again
 Nature's Way
 Strength of Strings

I would much rather trade the above CDs for stuff that I want.
Here is what I am looking for (send me your lists of stuff for trade
and sale).

Adorable CD singles, Pale Saints CD singles, FTWW, Mistel Thrush CDs,
Jewel's new CD single - You were meant for me, Ivy (US Ivy) single,
Oaisis stuff Albums and Singles, St. Etienne stuff, CT - Otherness.
Other 4AD, creation, and shoegaze stuff.

Thanks for reading.

Dave

Also be sure to see the totally redone Slowdive site, with Mojave 3 stuff.

===============================================================================
            THE CD WORKS: http://www.digiweb.com/dstack/music

           The CD Marketplace, City Guide for CD Shops & Clubs
           World's Best Slowdive Page. Red Flag, Cetu Javu & More...
===============================================================================


Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 18:33:00 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD CDs FS/Trade


>All Virgos are Mad - 4AD compilation.  (Brand new & still in shrink wrap).20

if there's anyone who's still looking for this, i think i've seen about 20
copies in best buys across the state, so if yr really dying for a copy, let
me know and i'll pick it up (they're about $12, i think).  why does everyone
act as if this is so rare?  "limited to 10,000" doesn't seem all that
limited to me. . .of course ftww was given away free, and people are asking
for all sorts of money for that. . .go figure.

BiZ


Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 20:04:08 -0500
From: "I love Beethoven, especially the poems" (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Mojave/LLC noise guitar/Steve/Nadim goes solo/Low Fi


>> go buy mojave 3, put it on repeat, and make it rain.
>
>  it's beeyooteefull. too bad jOHN had to go and ruin pygmalion for me,
>  though....  *sigh*

Did he scratch it, or is there something painful associated with this album
now? Sorry, I'm being nosy again. Ignore this question.

>> And for Lovesliescrushing:
>> >As a rule, my guitar
>> >has come up with more interesting music on its own while I left the room,
>> Really?  Your guitar just up and plays on its own?  You should probably
>> have that checked out...schizophrenia run in your family?

Actually, that kind of guitar is more common than you'd think. Brad Laner
has one - you just plug it in and off it goes. They're very cheap too. I bet
you think schizophrenia means having a split personality, don't you?

>Send no more mail
>-Steve
>
>-----Princeton Regional Schools takes no responsibility for the
>    accuracy or content of the above message.
     ^^^^^^^^

...and it's a good thing too

>Well maybe I'll just be a solo artist, I only know how to play the guitar and
>the keyboards though. And i cannot sing for jack shit.

Then become an Eno-type producer/solo artist!

>Aron's Records has Stereolab's Low-Fi CD in their
>import section for around $20-25 (wasn't someone looking
>for this recently?)

Yes, lushmuse was. $20-25 is way too much to pay for that EP, though (unless
it's extremely rare). $10-15 is more like it.

L

"Rule #2: No eggnog [for Bart]. As a matter of fact, no nog, period."
  Homer J

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 18:03:59 -0800
From: reicja00 (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: one less liliput in the world

              "BluBelKnol@aol.com" at Dec 17, 95 01:06:36 am

>
> ...and by the way, when buying your next Lilliput - ask to see if it comes
> with the t-shirt like mine did.  If I'm not mistaken it adds quite a bit more
> value to it.  With t-shirt it should go for about $250-$300.

Is this shirt any different from the ones you can get currently from the
4AD catalogue?

Thanks,
Mr. Jake

Wishing he'd taken the 13 year itch down to OC with him...


Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:20:04 -0500
From: Scott Anderson (humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: first post


hi everyone,

i'm a newbie with a couple of questions...

1. can you post messages with sound attachments to the list?
2. which type of sound file (AU, wav, etc) would be most prefered by the
listers?

i think that the list is great and informative, except for all the flaming
and argueing(sp?).  each persons opinion is just an opinion(right or wrong)
don't take it so personally.


"regret not what you have done, only that which you have not"