Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 20:30:36 -0800
> I read somewhere on the 4AD newsgroup that along with the now well known
> departure of RHP (who are on the verge of signing with Island supposedly) our
> beloved Ian-less Pail Saints have left/been dropped as well.
Mind you, I'm in a really foul mood right now, but
for god's sake! How many more times is Ivo going to shoot
himself in the foot! Sure they couldn't hold a candle
to the Ian version, but they still were a good listen.
Who's next? Dead Can Dance? Why don't they sever all ties
to their past so they can go full force into boring adult
contemporary, spurgazing* bullshit! 4AD is becoming less
and less relevant day by day.
*term coined by listie Paul Rankine. You heard it here first.
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:50:55 CST
at Dec 18, 95 10:36 pm
> "I asked for a link to our Indie site and was told it would cost me $10,000
> per mounth with a minimum contract of one year. Thats $100,000.00 for thoes
> who can't multiply.
And it's $120,000.00 for those who *can*.
-shill
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 01:44:51 -0500
At 10:50 PM 12/18/95 CST,
>> "I asked for a link to our Indie site and was told it would cost me $10,000
>> per mounth with a minimum contract of one year. Thats $100,000.00 for thoes
>> who can't multiply.
>
>And it's $120,000.00 for those who *can*.
>-shill
heh. after mailing that i noticed that.....
back to your regularly scheduled dose of chatter.
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:45:22 -0800
I thought I would just send this out to those who haven't registered
at 'The Site' and the generally web-impaired.
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4AD and v23 would like to wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.
We look forward to enhancing The Site in the coming year to offer you an
interesting and effective resource on the art, the artists and the label.
Thank you for your support this year and we'll see you in 1996.
jh/4AD
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 02:12:17 -0600
At 07:03 PM 12/18/95 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm not sure of the catalog number but it's called Invisible Soundtracks and it
>has N. Halsted w/ others under the name of Being i think. Also, Disjecta,
>Gescom, and somebody else.
no, the track by Being is not N.Halstead. (If that's what you were
implying). Being is completely different entity (was going to say being..),
N.Halstead is under the psuedonym Zurich and also includes Tony F. Wilson.
sung
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:25:47 -0800
that i'm actually invited to...richard {the b-day boy} said that
petra whatsherface's {that dog, rentals} band recess will also be
playing. i've heard some good things about them...
k
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 02:22:33 -0700
>(I suck at reviews because I look at it from an emotional point of
>view rather than technical).
This is precisely why you DON'T suck at reviews. Keep looking at it from an
emotional point of view.
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:59:34 +0000
Garage" at Dec 18, 95 01:01:12 pm
Intergalactic Garage
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:52:53 -0800
you brad laner fans may want to look for a "live" 10"/7" set, which
really isn't live but we won't tell anyone now will we? :) and bradley
says that there is a split 7" of medicine and sixteen deluxe coming
out..i think it's with some zine i've never heard of before.... *shrug*
*k*
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 04:57:00 CDT
Sugar Plant Hiding Place (Pop narcotic,95)
Very simple slow guitar/bass only arrangements will immedeately appeal to
Galaxie 500 etc fans. Chinatsu Shoyama self-harmonizes in a bit husky manner
(hey, I am envy: almost no accent!) on the backdrop of slow-burn guitar solos of
Shinichi Ogawa. Did I say slow? Uhm, Japan's not that exotic as it may seem...
Mo Boma Jijimuge (Extreme/distr. by cargo, 92)
Fans of ebow unite! A poor guy (Carsten Tiedemann) sweats over the strings,
while infinite guitar has been already invented. Will I also sound like Michael
Brook when I try this gadget? Anyway, very smooth, textured album of
instrumental music, graced by ethnic percussion patterns (merit of Jamshied
Sharifi). Immedeately brings to mind "Cobalt Blue". Very professional.
Salute.Boroda
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 04:59:00 CDT
Looks like Bedazzled keeps churnin'em out. One of the realiable providers of
things ethereal these days. Does ethereal mean fem. voc. anyway? The thing about
bedazzled is that i always know I won't be disappointed, at least. Above the
average quality with occasional gems (Strange Boutique, Siddal for me). Keep it
going, Steve!
Mistle Thrush Silt
With this one, the dirty word "commercial success" has a good chance to
materialize. Brighton, Mass. five-some has a knack of creating SONGS with enough
variety and professionalism,that brings to mind the first Cranberries
mega-seller. Valerie Forgione is in lucky possession of a deep and versatile
voice, that promises to keep the things together starting with a dreamy opener
"freshwater". "Flowereyed" proves my Cranberries comparison. The only thing that
annoys me a little is this pseudo-Irish whiny thing she does at the ends of the
lines. Well, who knows, maybe,she's indeed Irish, but the point is that it is on
the verge of turning a homage into copying. this is my only complain. delicate
percussion, strummy/effected guitars attenuate great and many melodic songs. The
latter sadly lacks from some of the too reverb-indulgent efforts in the genre.
I'd put this one up with Elysium's "Glisten", good stuff.
An April March Instruments of Lust and Fury (ep)
Right from the first track you get to learn that these Canadians have studied
their Cocteaux albums pretty well. Chriss Perry and Danella Hocevar stomp on
"Guthrie" pedal (and,boy,they do it quite well), while Michael Klug emilates the
drum machine. The singing here is more or less earthy,though. Not exceptional,
but quite pleasant. Six songs long, this EP is exactly the right length,so you
don't have to reach out to put anything else for a change. You got it: pleasant
atmosphere, but fading into a blur. around 6 on a scale of 10
Boroda
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 04:58:00 CDT
Hey,everybody.
Got some stuff from Darkwave to feed a little goth inside..
Raison d'etre prospectus I (Cold meat industry,93)
Shinjuku Thief The Witch Hammer (Relic/Dorobo, 93)
These two come together stylistically. Spooky stuff. Both projects may be old
news for somebody, but are nontheless relatively obscure,yet noteworthy. Music
for kinda omnious arcane rituals. Never leaves the slow pace, interlacing the
oh-so-gloomy drones'n'moans a-la Lycia/Thanatos with more interesting powerful
orchestrated pieces in the vien of In the Nursery's "Duality" album. What is
enjoyable (what a freak i must be to really enjoy this kind of thing!)here, is
good taste enough to keep things dramatic without turning them into a joke
(can't keep from laughing, listening to Lycia's "day in the stark corner", the
thing really cheers me up). Enough variety (with the absence of clear vocals
being a good point, IMHO) to make a rather lengthy technical review as well.
all in all, recommended for a change, especially "Prospectus", which may end up
being the only "gothic industrial" album you'll wish to keep.
...and even wolves hid their teeth (Cold Meat Industry sampler
comp./darkwave,95)
Being quite intrigued by the obscure label and continuing a quest for a
parallel-universe Love (hm, :) Spirals Downwards, I took an opportunity to check
out this $12 sampler. Features tracks from previously released material (Raison
d'etre,Ildfrost,Morthound,Memorandum etc) and some new acts (Con Sono, Ordo
equilibrio etc) to keep us interested. Well, it fails to do so.. The only
accessible tracks are by seemingly reliable Les Raisones and Ildfrost (nice
simple flute line). The rest is pathetic spookiness, which will appeal only to
the hardcore fans of this kind of thing. Most of the compositions patiently
observe sort of neutered Thanatos agonising from asphyxia (sp?) while
convulsively holding the "Gloomy gothic drone" key. A downer. The quest
continues.
Aurora The land of harm and appletrees (Talitha/Cleopatra,93)
Heavenly voicish (TM) offshoot of a relatively popular German goth dance act
Project pitchfork. Readily reminds of Sleeping Dogs Wake and Chandeen, lacking
the spark of the latter. Rather nice, but sort of marginal. The voice
(P.Nigiani) stands up to HV standards,but lacks a bit in versatility
dept.Uhm,no,not that bad,but... enough said.
Boroda
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:08:59 +0100
i've never had egg nog before. is it good? (i know, i know...i've been
living on the moon for the last 10 years....)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:53:50 -0500
So I'm going to be in Kyoto for a few days and hopefully in Tokyo
for a few days. Anybody have any suggestions as to good record
shops to check out (aside from the HMV/Tower-type megastores)?
broke as it is,
jason eugene
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:44:52 -0800
I've got two new(but unsealed, and this CD wasn't sealed by Fontana)
copies of Snow that I'm willing to auction (min$7) or trade. Bidding
deadline
will be one month from today(I'll use Goldmine rules, plus this gives
people on Winter break some time).
As for trade, I've got a lot of 4ad stuff already, but Cocteau
oddballs/bootlegs are something I lack. And if anyone has a poster of
Treasure they are willing to part with, I'll pay $ for it.
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:04:55 -0500
Brant said:
>>Sure they couldn't hold a candle to the Ian version, but they still were a
good listen. Who's next? Dead Can Dance? Why don't they sever all ties to
their past so they can go full force into boring adult contemporary,
spurgazing* bullshit! 4AD is becoming less and less relevant day by day.<<
Actually, DCD could be easily considered "adult contemporary" as could Heidi
Berry as was TMC (this based on the number of times each has been profiled on
very adult-oriented radio shows like ECHOES on the very adult-oriented
National Public Radio!).
Also, I really don't know why it comes as such a surprise to everyone that
Ivo signed Tarnation. This is a guy that's covered Emmylou Harris and Spirit.
Ivo has always said that the music on 4AD would always be a reflection of his
taste. Tastes do change.
I'd have to say that the things I've enjoyed the most from 4AD over the
years, have been the things that I've least expected to like. Things that are
more challenging. Things that broaden scope. Things that have prevented 4AD
from being a one-trick pony like C'est la Mort, Projekt and, yes, even
Factory (sacrilege!!!)
I hate Scheer just as much as the next guy, and I am not telling anyone what
to like by any means, but you shouldn't jump to hate music that you probably
wouldn't have listened to otherwise. This only shortchanges yourself. Music
that you may find initially disgusting, just may grow to be your favorite.
Also, this Pale Saint's thing is but a rumour, so before everyone goes on a
endless 4AD-bashing jag again, remember, bands can grow to suck. Should Ivo
have kept Xymox on (this is meant to be rhetorical)?
Sorty
(with not enough backbone to post under his official listy moniker, but, then
again, I can do whatever the hell I want to can't I)
P.S. The David Byrne / Selena duet is faboo!!!
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:17:28 -0500
Copies of Twinlights and Otherness, combined with copies of Snow, are
being sold for $9.99 at HMV Records at Downtown Crossing in Boston
Massachusetts. You can either buy a copy of Twinlights or a copy
of Otherness (i.e. they are not being packaged together), but each
one has a copy of Snow (artwork and all) wrapped up with it. They
have a fairly large quantity of these available. I don't know the
phone number, but you can get it easily enough via info at 617-555-1212.
Mike
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:03:36 EST
I am so excited to hear of AATT's new release. I just bought
"from horizon to horizon" in nyc recently, and have all of their other
albums. i was just about to order this cd directly from them
when i found it --saved me some serious
$$$$! i have yet to get their videos -- does anyone have them??
i would love to hear about them, for i may be obtaining them in the
near future.
marianne
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 08:27:08 -0800
I have an extra copy of the 4AD Sampler
...think i'm getting the hang of it
I'd really like to trade straight up for the UK sampler
Facing the Wrong Way
If any UK'er or otherwise is interested in this trade, please
contact me.
Thanks, all
Chris. (old enough to remember the real 4AD flame wars (Medicine!)
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:37:42 -0500
I'll probably never hear the end of this (or, I'll probably be ignored since
I'm one of those AOL people) but:
I like Tarnation and Scheer--they're not the greatest, but I don't dislike
them either.
I like the v23 Modern Calendar--not their best work, but you have to admit,
it's still impressive and outrageous!
and
I like 4AD's growth and progress. Like someone else on the list mentioned,
they're NOT a one-trick pony.
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:58:30 EST
Dec 7, 95 1:44 pm
>
> To all the Cocteau Twins fans out there. Has anyone bought the two ne
> EP's that they just released? I think one is called Twinlights.
>
> Could anyone tell me what they sound like before I pay 9 bucks for 4
> songs?
> Thanks
>
> Kenon Chen
>
I've listened to them both (Twinlights and Rikean Heart - I
think are the titles) and I found them both disappointing. The
first ep that they released is a very calm and very nothing piano.
I do like the piano; I play it myself, but it was just sooooooo
boring! I was expecting the strummy dreamy guitar that is signature
of CT but it wasn't there. The second ep is more ambient and sort
of dancy; but still not what you expect from them. I guess they are
trying to evolve and try new things, so I shouldn't be down on them
for that. But to put it another way - I have all of their other
albums plus 12" and I did not by these two ep's.
On the bright side - they are expected to release two more ep's
after the new year. maybe they can redeem themselves.
Holly
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 02:03:07 +0900
At 5:53 PM 95.12.18 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>So I'm going to be in Kyoto for a few days and hopefully in Tokyo
>for a few days. Anybody have any suggestions as to good record
>shops to check out (aside from the HMV/Tower-type megastores)?
>
>broke as it is,
>jason eugene
halo jason, this is from tokyo.
i know some shops that worth to be recommend.
"DMS Music" (Shibuya, Tokyo) has plenty of rare alternetive music.
recently i got sort sol's single"Marble Station", Early Dif juz's LP in here.
if you have interest in it, i'll check it's correct address.
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:00:28 -0800
> Chris. (old enough to remember the real 4AD flame wars (Medicine!)
> --
Ai, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
hehehehehehehehehe....
PC is Dead. Grunge is Dead. Elvis is Dead. Can't Medicine follow a
cue? ;)
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I'd like to see it happen, I hope it's true
'Cause I can feel it, I hope it's true..."
"It seems so easy for you to turn your
heart off and on. It's no matter who is
right or who is wrong"
Angry Catholic School Grrrls still kick ass sometimes.
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 19:12:36 GMT
On Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:58:30 EST, you wrote:
>>
>> To all the Cocteau Twins fans out there. Has anyone bought the two n
w
>> EP's that they just released? I think one is called Twinlights.
>>
>> Could anyone tell me what they sound like before I pay 9 bucks for 4
>> songs?
>> Thanks
>>
>> Kenon Chen
>>
>
They're called "Twinlights" and "Otherness".They're very different,
and opinions vary enormously.
"Twinlights" is an acoustic affair with very few vocal overdubs. If
you're into lushness of production, or dancy beats, it isn't at all
for you. Many longtime CT fans have underwhelmed by it. But I loved
the intimacy, and would highly recommend it. It includes three new
tracks and a new version of "Pink Orange Red".
"Otherness" is a collection of remixes by Mark Clifford of Seefeel:
two new songs and "Cherry Coloured Funk" and "Feet-like Fins". Liz's
voice is more or less MIA (except for "Violaine"): since it's been the
focus of my adoration of the group (and one of the reasons I loved
didn't find the EP very appealing as a whole, though it has grown on
me. But if you're into ambient, and especially if you're into Mark
Clifford of course, it's for you.
IMHO, one should buy everything the CT release.
Paul
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:12:30 -0500
has anyone out there heard of big monster fish hook?
if there is enough interest, i'll post a song...
check out http://www.popes.com:80/demou/07_31_95.html for
a review in the alternative press.
feedback can be posted to the list or private, thanks...
"regret not what you have done, only that which you have not"
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 19:31:08 +0000
multimedia database" (Dec 16, 2:36am)
On Dec 16, 2:36am, Brendon Macaraeg wrote:
> Subject: WWW as distributed multimedia database
> Andrew Norman wrote:
> The Mojave 3 interview page, by the way, is 48% loaded, ten minutes
> after I started. Netscape tells me there are twelve minutes to go, and
> I think I'm about to look at Mirsky's "worst of the web" instead.
> ===================
>
> You have "high speed" access? Come on now! I have a 28.8 SLIP
> connection and the 4AD pages don't take that long to load!
>
But fortunately you're not on the wrong side of the transatlantic link. All the
local bandwidth possible can't fix the rather pitiful connection that UK
academic sites have to the US.
Gary
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:54:24 -0800
..uh, i accidentally erased the note that just came into
my box, but i *did* go see that review and it all sounds very
keen...how does one get to hear this group?
*k-j* ...anyone know of good upcoming LA shows? i'm bored...
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:43:16 -0800
k-j wrote:
---
*k-j* ...anyone know of good upcoming LA shows? i'm bored...
---
Urm, I was wondering the same, any input anyone
-nb- gotta take a smoke break, before work breaks me.
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:17:27 -0800
an Ear" at Dec 19, 95 10:17:28 am
Full Length CDs
===============
Pixes - Come On Pilgrim.................................................$8
Liquorice - Listening Cap...............................................$6
All Virgos are Mad - 4AD compilation. (Brand new & still in shrink wrap).20
Think I'm Getting the Hang of it - 4AD Compilation w/ Hidden Mojave Track.20
Kendra Smith - Five ways of Disappearing (promo Advance CD)
(B&W photo on the jewel insert).......................................$8
CD Singles
==========
Breeders - Saints (3 Tracks, Import from Canada. Early Demo of Cannonball
also New Year Demo, and Saints)......................$12
Breeders - Divine Hammer (US, 4 Tracks).................................$3
Belly - Slowdush EP (Bad 2009 Import)...................................$9
Belly - Feed the Tree (4AD Import, BAD 3001, 4 tracks)..................$9
Ride - I Don't Know Where It Comes From (4 trk Import, 3 live, Creation.$6
Silverfish - Damm Fine Ep ( 4 Track import, Creation)...................$3
The Future Sound of London - Far Out Of Lung ...Madman (Import).........$6
Scheer - Schism ep -Import (Sometimes, You said, Baby Size,
Take you anywhere)..........................$7
Box Sets
========
This Mortal Coil 4 CD box set 1983-1991 (Box and 28 page booklet).......$40
Disc 1: It'll End in Tears (12 Tracks)
Disc 2: Filigree & Shadow (25 Tracks)
Disc 3: Blood (21 tracks)
Disc 4: Original Version (21 tracks listed below)
Another Day
Mr. Somewhere
With Tomorrow
Holocaust
Kangaroo
Carolyn's Song
I Want to Live
Alone (On Piano)
Drugs
Help Me lift you up
Song to the Siren
Morning Glory
I must have been blind
Several Times
The Jewller
I come and stand at every door
I am the cosmos
You and your ister
'till I gain control again
Nature's Way
Strength of Strings
I would much rather trade the above CDs for stuff that I want.
Here is what I am looking for (send me your lists of stuff for trade
and sale).
Adorable CD singles, Pale Saints CD singles, FTWW, Mistel Thrush CDs,
Jewel's new CD single - You were meant for me, Ivy (US Ivy) single,
Oaisis stuff Albums and Singles, St. Etienne stuff, CT - Otherness.
Other 4AD, creation, and shoegaze stuff.
Thanks for reading.
Dave
Also be sure to see the totally redone Slowdive site, with Mojave 3 stuff.
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 18:33:00 CST
>All Virgos are Mad - 4AD compilation. (Brand new & still in shrink wrap).20
if there's anyone who's still looking for this, i think i've seen about 20
copies in best buys across the state, so if yr really dying for a copy, let
me know and i'll pick it up (they're about $12, i think). why does everyone
act as if this is so rare? "limited to 10,000" doesn't seem all that
limited to me. . .of course ftww was given away free, and people are asking
for all sorts of money for that. . .go figure.
BiZ
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 20:04:08 -0500
>> go buy mojave 3, put it on repeat, and make it rain.
>
> it's beeyooteefull. too bad jOHN had to go and ruin pygmalion for me,
> though.... *sigh*
Did he scratch it, or is there something painful associated with this album
now? Sorry, I'm being nosy again. Ignore this question.
>> And for Lovesliescrushing:
>> >As a rule, my guitar
>> >has come up with more interesting music on its own while I left the room,
>> Really? Your guitar just up and plays on its own? You should probably
>> have that checked out...schizophrenia run in your family?
Actually, that kind of guitar is more common than you'd think. Brad Laner
has one - you just plug it in and off it goes. They're very cheap too. I bet
you think schizophrenia means having a split personality, don't you?
>Send no more mail
>-Steve
>
>-----Princeton Regional Schools takes no responsibility for the
> accuracy or content of the above message.
^^^^^^^^
...and it's a good thing too
>Well maybe I'll just be a solo artist, I only know how to play the guitar and
>the keyboards though. And i cannot sing for jack shit.
Then become an Eno-type producer/solo artist!
>Aron's Records has Stereolab's Low-Fi CD in their
>import section for around $20-25 (wasn't someone looking
>for this recently?)
Yes, lushmuse was. $20-25 is way too much to pay for that EP, though (unless
it's extremely rare). $10-15 is more like it.
L
"Rule #2: No eggnog [for Bart]. As a matter of fact, no nog, period."
Homer J