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Subject: Moving to SF, need bandmates, etc.
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 20:32:12 -0800
From: Ken McGrath (nneth@CONNECTUS.COM)
Subject: moon seven times
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 23:26:44 -0500
From: susan@ACS.BU.EDU
Subject: Re: 4-ad really blows, (someone hold me back!)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 22:54:41 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: I need to lighten up/catalogues/Cool phone call!
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 21:39:51 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: need bandmates, bitching moaning, cd's
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 22:39:07 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: lighten up
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 00:19:22 -0800
From: snowangel (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: e's technical review of excelsis
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 00:52:12 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: li'l whos, christmas, and no flame ...also no 4ad content...
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 01:11:51 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Alan Moulder
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:08:45 +0000
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Superdeal on FTWW!!
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:45:41 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: St Etienne & Main
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:34:47 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: 4AD/Guernica Promo Video List
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:46:48 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Good, Bad and Morricone
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 07:32:06 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Good, Bad and Morricone
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:42:33 EDT
From: Steve Kafasis (Steve_Kafasis@WALNUT.PRS.K12.NJ.US)
Subject: John Zorn
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:37:38 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Alan Moulder
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:39:13 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: need bandmates, bitching moaning, cd's
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:34:07 -0500
From: "Maura A. Smale" (mas5815@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re[2]: Good, Bad and Morricone
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:46:15 GMT
From: "Folan, Bernie" (folan@SAGELTD.CO.UK)
Subject: ...and Jean Michael Jarre?
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:24:16 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: John Zorn
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:35:59 EST
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: Re: St Etienne
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 07:05:45 -0800
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: 4-ad really blows, (someone hold me back!)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 08:51:05 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: 4AD 96 Calendars (and 94!)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:01:12 -0500
From: Intergalactic Garage (igg@INTREPID.NET)
Subject: Re: e's technical review of excelsis
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:09:57 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Elysium review
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:07:39 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Bandmates and all...
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:44:25 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: leaf ep
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:36:08 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: cocteau's "snow"
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:24:19 -0600
From: Salome (lnvoigt@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Good, Bad and Morricone
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:06:10 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: li'l whos, christmas, and no flame ...also no 4ad content...
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:38:32 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: cheap 1996 calendars
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:29:29 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: things that begin with E
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:40:31 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: 4AD 96 Calendars (and 94!)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:23:36 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: leaf ep
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:34:27 -0600
From: Sung Shim (foss@WWA.COM)
Subject: Vision Thing/AfterHours
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:23:19 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: leaf ep
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:03:33 -0500
From: "bcrayon@en.com" (bcrayon@EN.COM)
Subject: Movietone etc.
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:07:37 GMT
From: "Hugh O'Brien" (hugh@INTERNET-EIREANN.IE)
Subject: Re: e's technical review of excelsis
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:46:26 -0800
From: Ryan (ryan@LEONARDO.NET)
Subject: All Virgo are mad!?!?!----Lush cd 0016
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:11:15 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: e's technical review of excelsis
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:31:03 -0800
From: Ryan (ryan@LEONARDO.NET)
Subject: Re: need bandmates, bitching moaning, cd's
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 01:25:29 +0000
From: Graeme Delap (graeme@GRIEVES.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Liquorice 7"s...
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:56:12 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Elysium review
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:07:39 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Pail Saints a-go-go/Lilliput Versace T
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:06:27 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: PiL
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 21:48:43 -0500
From: varoom! (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: IUMA oddity - no 4AD content
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:36:04 -0500
From: "Susan E. Kaup" (susan@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: Re: 4-ad really blows, (someone hold me back!)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:06:29 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM

Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 20:32:12 -0800
From: Ken McGrath (nneth@CONNECTUS.COM)
Subject: Moving to SF, need bandmates, etc.


Greetings fellow 4AD and Banshees list-people.  Please pardon the use of
bandwidth for an ad.  In February, my girlfriend and I will be moving to the
San Francisco area where we will be trying to revive our old band, The
Radiant Hour.  She sings, I play bass, we both play keyboards and we'll be
needing a guitarist and drummer.  Chances are, if you're on either list,
you'll be into the same things we are.  We've had a couple of previous
responses, but nothing really became of them.  Also, if you happen to have a
line on rehersal space or musician-friendly housing, we'd appreciate it.

Please private email for additional info/questions/etc.

Thanks in advance,

Ken

Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 23:26:44 -0500
From: susan@ACS.BU.EDU
Subject: moon seven times

              meek" at Dec 13, 95 04:38:10 am

> no one was certain or could provide me with any details. Anyone here know
> what (if anything) happened/ishappening? Also, what up with:
>
> The Moon Seven Times

If you're a fan of the Moon Seven Times, you owe it to yourself to check out
Lanterna, Henry Frayne's (mostly instrumental) side-project. It's mostly Henry
and M7X drummer Brendan Gamble, though there are vocals on a few
tracks. Originally released as a ltd. ed. cassette, it's recently been
reissued on CD by Parasol with gorgeous packaging by Bruce Licher at IPR. I
listen to the Lanterna album much more than either of the Moon Seven Times
albums... it's looser and more varied stylistically - still gentle and
lulling, but with a bit more bite.

i do believe the m7x are working on a 3rd album as well, though i think
release dates and such are still way up in the air.


Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 22:54:41 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4-ad really blows, (someone hold me back!)


hey, listen.  if you want to actually get your 4ad catalog, call up the la
office and let them know that you've been waiting along time, and that you
want your catalog.  that's what i did after waiting three months, and i had
one in a couple of weeks.  i forget the #, but you can get it from calling
information, or if Strick9 is feeling nice, he'll post it.  or you could
waste lots of money and call the british office.  as far as getting mail
order stuff from 4ad ltd, their service has always been speedy, and both
times i ordered, they charged me less than their order form said they should
(a LOT less.)  delivery is startingly quick, too!  (about as quick as the
time i ordered from vinyl ink!)

just call 'em,

BiZ


Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 21:39:51 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: I need to lighten up/catalogues/Cool phone call!


>I am pretty sure the original post was a joke. It just did not have
>enough smiley faces and a disclaimer saying so. I think you ought to
just
>wait and you will get your catalog. It took me a couple of months to
get
>mine. Also I do not think any Joe 6-pak can get the promo stuff. I
think
>you have to be big wig with pull or something. But I think once you
order
>something from them, they will send you a postcard or two.
>
>Brett
>

First, please excuse me for not having a sense of humor, it's christmas
time ya' know!
    About the catalogues, I sent my money in June, they cashed the
check in August and am still waiting. Do they release the catalogues on
a certian date like cd's or what? And if that's the case why can't they
send them out after that certian date? I think I've been
jipped.......wait, If they don't send me anything thats fraud. I'll sue
their ass(s) for my 3 or so dollars!

        they stole my hard earned money"
       black people o'er dair! We gon sho 'em whut da bruthas cado "

    I own just about the entire Lush catalogue, Throwing Muses "The
Real Ramona" which is the only Muses album I own (but I still refer it
as "My favorite Muses Album") Breeders, Pixies and this is the way they
treat me?!?!?
-sniff- I've been shit on -sob- life sucks.

                              Brian- racial intolerance personified

P.S. If anyone else has been jipped we could file suit!

P.P.S. Hay don't take that phone call seroiusly, some of my best
friends are black! Really!

P.S.S. Anyone check out Chiba rei's home-page? Pretty nice if you speak
Chinese!

"Ching fong maka hoi!" I really mean that!


"Love, peace, and greetings"

Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 22:39:07 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: need bandmates, bitching moaning, cd's


I need a band too, I'm such a lozer. It's Christmas time and I'm stuck
with my family. I cudda been in Snowangel's band but she didn't want
me.......the bitch.......just kidding(we all love KJ)! Now that I think
about it, if I were someone else, I wouldn't want me either! I think
I'm gonna buy some girl band cd's tommorow. Maybe not. Christmas sucks.
Life Sucks.
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

on my list to be bought:
1.) Throwing Muses: University
    btw, Which was t. Donnely's last album?

2.) Bad Religion: The one with "American Jesus" on it
    that song rules! "We've got the american Jesus" la la la

3.) Anything by Lush: Best band ever!

4.) That song by 311, "Don't stay home" catchy

5.) If I can find a copy of a Air Miami used I MIGHT get it
    I got a song from them on a "huh" compalation cd, It was crunchy
    like nuts, but decent all the same.


There is some other stuff too but I don't have my list with me
Boy am I talkative lately, I'm off! no school, work, nothing. Friends
are away with their families and I've nothing else to do.


                                    Eternalie bord,

                                            Brian


Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 00:19:22 -0800
From: snowangel (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: lighten up


> go buy mojave 3, put it on repeat, and make it rain.

  it's beeyooteefull. too bad jOHN had to go and ruin pygmalion for me,
  though....  *sigh*

> where is k-j?

  sitting in her house, infront of a space heater, listening to others
  tell me how evil jOHN is while staring at a marathon of real world
  episodes...


  k-j   ...i'm just not in the mood for .sigs anymore...


Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 00:52:12 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: e's technical review of excelsis


On Sun, 17 Dec 1995, Ryan wrote:

> With regards to This Ascension's track, e says:
> >buy some effects and plug your fucking keyboard into them!!
> I've let Tim and Matt in on your technical production advice since you know
> what's up;

It's high time someone told them.

> plugging effects into the fucking keyboard.  How much do you
> charge?

It's a free service to anyone who can get the punctuation right in their
album title.

> And for Lovesliescrushing:
> >As a rule, my guitar
> >has come up with more interesting music on its own while I left the room,
> Really?  Your guitar just up and plays on its own?  You should probably
> have that checked out...schizophrenia run in your family?

I did mean this literally. It was, of course, a work in collaboration
with the laws of gravity, and the result was considerably shorter and
less tiresome than "Jingle Bells (Snowblower)". But you avoid my point
entirely; I do not take credit for this spontaneous composition.

> >and this is not a joke.
> Hmmm, wonder why they're signed and you're not if this is indeed not a joke.

If I had recorded it and sent it to Projekt, I'm sure it would have been
given serious consideration.

> Regarding Balderas & Osbourne:
> >orgy of keyboard presets, an arrangement that offers nothing new
> Well actually it's samples and samplers, not synth presets.

ooh, samples *and* samplers? What, pray tell, does a sampler sound like?
I shall have to sample one sometime.

No matter. Have them send me the receipt for their sampler and a punch
card for the time spent holding a microphone to my old Casio, and I will
gladly retract the statement and issue a formal apology.

Am I to assume you agree with the remainder of my review?


 e

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 01:11:51 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: li'l whos, christmas, and no flame ...also no 4ad content...


The following data has been compiled through years of careful tests and
painstaking data analysis! Actually I am going mainly by memory here, so
I take no responsibility for damage caused to your person as a result of
this post. ;)

Top 5 Egg Nogs:
---------------
1. Foster Farms, MMMMM :)
2. Foster Farms light, gets colder and ya can drink it faster
3. Alta Dena Premium, very yummy; kinda too rich
4. Vons Select, almost perfect
5. Bud's, too thick; tastes like circus peanuts but good anyway

Bottom 3 Egg Nogs:
------------------
F. Jerseymaid, bleagh! Horrible!
F. kind in a bottle with a cow on it, ewww...
F. Alta Dena w/honey, kinda yucky...i guess unless you like honey


 einexile, who prays for the grinch's poor crushed spirit

(disposable income? moi?)

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:08:45 +0000
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Alan Moulder


On Sat, 16 Dec 1995, Scott, Mari & Brian wrote:

> Alan Moulder has worked on the following cds I own and know what, they
> all rule:
>
> Lush- Split
> My Bloody Valantine- Loveless
> Smashing Pumpkins- Mellon Collie......
>
> Anyone have any Alan Moulder suggestions? I think he worked on a couple
> of Ride's first two albums, not sure though.................
>
>                                     Brian
>                               (Place Sig Here)


He worked on Curve's albums and is/was/Toni halliday's boyfriend.

'H'y

'H' Cambridge

Stockholm Environment Institute at York
University of York, York, Uk.

Me - http://www.york.ac.uk/inst/sei/sei/h.html
Snapper - http://asegweb.ohm.york.ac.uk/tsb/music.html
Work - http://www.york.ac.uk/inst/sei/sei/welcome.html


Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:45:41 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Superdeal on FTWW!!


I have a mint copy of the 'Facing The Wrong Way' promo-CD (bronze/white pic.
label) and I need a copy of the Liquorice 'Cheap Cuts/ESP Mixes' promo-CD.

Anyone interested to swap?

Frank

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:34:47 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: St Etienne & Main


einexile the meek  wrote:
 [Saint Etienne]
 > Could someone please tell me about the remix disc if they have
 > it? Also the remixes for Hug Your Soul. I considered buying
 > these but am rather wary of remix discs these days.

None of the remixes are new, and I think only one has not appeared on CD
before (an early one, and not much good).  They tend to be the more
up-beat mixes (Autechre's superb "Skin up..." mix of "Like a Motorway"
isn't there, the other two mixes from the LAM EP are).  The "Hug Your
Soul" mixes, as far as I can remember, are mostly "handbag house", i.e.
cheesy disco.

Andrew Massey  wrote:
 >
 > What exactly are Main like? I mean, what's their closest
 > comparison group wise? I've been tempted to try them out just
 > because of the sexy sleeves - very (badly?) early 4AD-ish, what
 > with the Bodoni Ultra and textural photos.

Difficult to make comparisons - if you have Virgin's "Ambient 4 -
Isolationism" compilation, there is a Main track (rather more ambient
than their normal stuff) and some of the less ambient tracks on that
compilation are similar to Main.  Plus it's a great collection of
strange ambient music, so buy it now.  Basically, Main use guitars
(mostly) to make non-guitar sounds, though their earlier EPs ("Dry
Stone Feed", or the "Hydra-Calm" compilation) are like a slowed-down
Loop.  "Motion Pool" is probably the place to start, it has a range of
styles from almost-songs (these usually consist of Robert mumbling
something barely audible over a plodding bass) to the
click/rumble/buzz/hiss sound that most of the Hertz singles feature,
and a couple of more conventional tracks where the guitars actually
sound almost like guitars.  "Firmament" and "Firmament II" are the more
experimental side, and "Ligature" is a collection of remixes - that's
not a bad one to get, either, as it's about an hour long and the
remixes are by Main themselves or close associates, so you don't get
the sort of thing on Scorn's remix album where the "remix" is basically
a track by the remixer which sounds vaguely like the original artist.

Oh, and those of you who like that sort of thing should check out Stars
of the Lid - they have been mentioned a lot on the droneon list, and I
found an album, "Music for Nitrous Oxide" dirt cheap in a second hand
shop this weekend - it sounds like the more minimalist/noisy tracks on
Labradford's first album, very lo-fi (one of the tracks is actually
called something like "Tape hiss is my friend").

Also found Scorn's "Gyral" cheap, now Mick Harris on his own, he's
ditched the crappy "doomy goth" vocals and the album is far better than
"Evanescence".  REALLY low bass, although I still don't think Scorn are
as good as their reputation I can now hear why some people love them so
much.

 > How many CD's do you buy each week Andrew?

Too many.  When I become a homeowner after Christmas I'll probably have
to cut down, but at the moment I can't spend my salary as fast as it
comes in, and it just keeps building up in my bank account, so I have to
keep buying compact discs, otherwise the entire British economy would
become distorted, or something.  I was wandering round Habitat this
weekend and realised with a shock that for the first time in my life I
could afford to buy a three piece suite, if only I had somewhere to put
it.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 18/12/95
On my walkman this morning : Labradford - A Stable Reference
Sophocles long ago


Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:46:48 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: 4AD/Guernica Promo Video List


I'm not sure who's doing that 4AD/Guernica Promo Video List on the 4AD-L
every now and then, so I have to post this to the list (sorry).

The last update I have is from Aug 12. Since then I've picked up the
following promo vids:

AIR MIAMI 'I Hate Milk' (2:14)
THE AMPS 'Tipp City' (3:00)
MOJAVE 3 'Lovesongs On The Radio' (4:12)
SCHEER 'Sometimes' (3:17)


I wonder if I've missed any... (TARNATION, LIQUORICE??)


Frank


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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 07:32:06 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Good, Bad and Morricone


>  e, who finally saw the good the bad and the ugly and was blown away, wow

Great!  Now go rent "Once Upon a Time in the West" and "Once Upon A Time In
America" and "Duck, you Sucker!!!" and become a Morricone disciple!

Yes, Ennio Morricone is one of my favorite composers/artists.  Anybody heard
"The Big Gundown--John Zorn plays the music of Ennio Morricone"  It's
fabulous!


marvynHortman


Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:42:33 EDT
From: Steve Kafasis (Steve_Kafasis@WALNUT.PRS.K12.NJ.US)
Subject: Re: Good, Bad and Morricone


Send no more mail
-Steve

-----Princeton Regional Schools takes no responsibility for the
    accuracy or content of the above message.

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:37:38 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: John Zorn


  Does John Zorn play anything that is half-way listenable?  I suppose
its music, but I could make the same ridiculous sounds on a saxophone
and I have never played one before.


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:39:13 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Alan Moulder


just buy ride's nowhere, already!

aaron would be so proud of me. ;)

BiZ


Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:34:07 -0500
From: "Maura A. Smale" (mas5815@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: need bandmates, bitching moaning, cd's


On Sun, 17 Dec 1995, Scott, Mari & Brian wrote:

> on my list to be bought:
> 1.) Throwing Muses: University
>     btw, Which was t. Donnely's last album?

tanya's last album with the muses was "the real ramona." (released in
1990 i think.)

maura

we now have a new rule on the bus: passengers will refrain
from killing my soul! --stu the bus driver
        mas5815@is2.nyu.edu

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:46:15 GMT
From: "Folan, Bernie" (folan@SAGELTD.CO.UK)
Subject: Re[2]: Good, Bad and Morricone


          ::Send no more mail
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:24:16 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: ...and Jean Michael Jarre?


Jens wrote:

> ObMusicalContent: I just can't get enough of the "Feed Your Head 2"
> compilation on Planet Dog. Heck, I don't know what to call this kind of
> music anymore. "Ambient" probably, except it's not, and it's even less
> ambient than many non-ambient "ambient" collections. "Trance?" All I know
> is: it's clearly techno influenced.

What about Jean-Michael-Jarre?  I've been listening to some of my old
tapes..."Zoonlookogie" or whatever and "equinox" and "rendevoux".  While I
guess this would be considered electronic, how about ambient?  What makes this
music one v. the other.  Comparing it to recent purchaes like Autechre and
Seefeel, I think it sounds simliar?  (BTW, I think i'm going to go rebuy these
on CDs now that I've been listening to them....)

Is this being picky?


marvynHortman                 ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:35:59 EST
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: John Zorn

              

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cathartic Naked City ensemble, his music from films (cool stuff like
James Bond soundtracks) is utterly sublime.  Got one of those music
stores around that allows you to listen before you buy?  Find one.

gay

Gay Church
Department of Internal Medicine
lgc2c@virginia.mcc.edu
is unit plugged in?


Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 07:05:45 -0800
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: St Etienne


On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Andrew Norman wrote:

>  > Could someone please tell me about the remix disc if they have
>  > it? Also the remixes for Hug Your Soul. I considered buying
>  > these but am rather wary of remix discs these days.
>
> None of the remixes are new, and I think only one has not appeared on CD
> before (an early one, and not much good).

        The remix of "Only Love Can Break Your Heart" by Andrew
Weatherall is different than anything I have on CD though.  Does anyone
who may have it on vinyl or an import know the title of that particular
remix?  It's not "Love...(A Dub Symphony In Two Parts)".

> They tend to be the more
> up-beat mixes (Autechre's superb "Skin up..." mix of "Like a Motorway"
> isn't there, the other two mixes from the LAM EP are).  The "Hug Your
> Soul" mixes, as far as I can remember, are mostly "handbag house", i.e.
> cheesy disco.

        Unfortunately you're correct about the "Hug Your Soul" remixes.
If you can get a hold of the "Four Songs" half of the single though, you
get some excellent B-sides like "I Buy American Records."


Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 08:51:05 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: 4-ad really blows, (someone hold me back!)


----- Begin Included Message ------

>
> So let me get this straight, 4-ad cashed my check, everyone elses check
> but nobody recieves anything. Thats downright....uh...bad. Those sons
> of bitches, dirty rat bastards! I'm not jackassing up to L.A. to get a
> catalogue so maybe I'll just make some really obsene phone calls to get
> my stuff! "Hey you fuckin' wackyass bastards! Don't make me come down
> there, or I'll shoe your ass'es like a motherfucker! You ever had a
> shoe enema before? would you like one if I don't get my stuff?" -click-
> well maybe not.

I am pretty sure the original post was a joke. It just did not have
enough smiley faces and a disclaimer saying so. I think you ought to just
wait and you will get your catalog. It took me a couple of months to get
mine. Also I do not think any Joe 6-pak can get the promo stuff. I think
you have to be big wig with pull or something. But I think once you order
something from them, they will send you a postcard or two.

Brett


----- End Included Message -----

I am pretty sure the reply post was also a joke.  It just did not have
enough smiley faces and a disclaimer saying so.

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:01:12 -0500
From: Intergalactic Garage (igg@INTREPID.NET)
Subject: 4AD 96 Calendars (and 94!)


Please pardon this intrustion.

I have 5 copies of the 4AD '96 calendars. We are doing these at $26.95
When they are gone, they are REALLY GONE!

$4 p&h, any quantity.

FACING THE WRONG WAY (UK) 4AD CD also avail for $22.50

Thanks!
-Allan

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:09:57 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Re: e's technical review of excelsis


>With regards to This Ascension's track, e says:
>>buy some effects and plug your fucking keyboard into them!!
>I've let Tim and Matt in on your technical production advice since you know
>what's up; plugging effects into the fucking keyboard.  How much do you
>charge?
>
>And for Lovesliescrushing:
>>As a rule, my guitar
>>has come up with more interesting music on its own while I left the room,
>Really?  Your guitar just up and plays on its own?  You should probably
>have that checked out...schizophrenia run in your family?
>>and this is not a joke.
>Hmmm, wonder why they're signed and you're not if this is indeed not a joke.
>
>Regarding Balderas & Osbourne:
>>orgy of keyboard presets, an arrangement that offers nothing new
>Well actually it's samples and samplers, not synth presets.

Sorry. Couldn't resist responding. Just glad that there is someone else out
there who can see through the rubbish that e posts. Now, if I could just
figure out why there are so many others who can't???

 ==================== =======================================================
|                    |  "When the rainy season comes I hang my head          |
|  Liz or Russ       |   For all the things that I have seen and done        |
|  russellm@         |   and sung and said                                   |
|  xmission.com      |   And when my tears are dry, I hold my head up high   |
|                    |   and feel the rain"      -Rainy Season, Roddy Frame  |
 ==================== =======================================================

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:07:39 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Elysium review


Hello eveyone,

Ok, without further due, here is my review of Elysium's gig at the troubadour
last saturday.
I got there as Elysium launched into their first song. Oh and before I go on,
this was the first time I heard them. (I am still waiting to get the CD in my
mail,Brant, hint! hint!). So i was there on pure faith, and the description
that both Brant and Rodney had given me.
Well, after getting over the "hm, does this sound like the cocteaus or the
Cranes?" feeling, I decided that it didn't matter who they sounded like
because they were great!
Jenny's vocals are amazingly etherial but yet warm and not airy like Liz or
Allison's (Cocteau's or Cranes). It is more reminiscent of Dolores
(Cranberries) even though Brant compared her voice to Natalie Merchant's.
Anyway, the point is: Lovely voice. The music kinda sounds the same at first
(which is a normal reaction when you haven't heard the band before) but as the
set progressed the layers of vocals/guitars seems to make more sense. The
guitar playing is both gentle and soft and also can be dense. It is hard to
describe (I suck at reviews because I look at it from an emotional point of
view rather than technical). Well let me just put it this way and leave it to
others who were at the show (Candice? I looked for you, were you there?):
Elysium brings out that beautifull feeling that we haven't felt in a while.
Congrats guys, and keep up the good work, I might just go see you in Pasadena
this weekend?
As for the rest of the show, Human Drama was a total goth band (Andrew
Eldritch looking dude and all) which is cool by me, but my friend could only
take so much of goth whining and dragged me outta there, shame! Needless to
say I didn't get to see Love Spiral Downwards, once again Candice, how was it?

Well, hope you guys are still reading after this boring crap.

-nb-

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:44:25 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Bandmates and all...


Brian said:
--
I need a band too, I'm such a lozer. It's Christmas time and I'm stuck
with my family. I cudda been in Snowangel's band but she didn't want
me.......the bitch.......just kidding(we all love KJ)! Now that I think
about it, if I were someone else, I wouldn't want me either! I think
I'm gonna buy some girl band cd's tommorow. Maybe not. Christmas sucks.
Life Sucks.
--
I didn't know kj had a band! Well considering KJ seems to be in the LA area
and so am I, maybe she will have me in her band (hint hint) I have been
desperate to form a band since my last band broke up a year ago, still looking
for bandmates though. It's hard finding people who are talented and like the
same music you do. :(
Well maybe I'll just be a solo artist, I only know how to play the guitar and
the keyboards though. And i cannot sing for jack shit.
Anyway, that was my waste of bandwidth for today

-nb-

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:36:08 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: leaf ep


quick one:

what is the catalog number of the ep on leaf records w/ neil slowdive and
mark seefeel?  and more importantly, is it in print?  there's a store here
that sells leaf stuff, so i want to try and order it. . .

thanks,

BiZ

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:24:19 -0600
From: Salome (lnvoigt@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: cocteau's "snow"


I would adore getting my hands on a copy of the cocteau twins' "snow".
Could someone kindly post more explicit details about the purchasing of this
lovely?  I have yet to see it attatched to "twinlights" or "otherness"
anywhere in the parts of the world that I have traversed.  Are all three of
these to be bound together or just "snow" with one of the above?  And
-where- on this glorious earth can I find it???

I thank you deliriously in advance for any information that you can provide.


  This is for when the radio is broken and crackles like uranium orchids
  This is for when the fohn-wind rattles the telegraph wires like a
                          handful of bones
This is for when dream ambulances skitter through the streets at midnight
This is for when you get caught in a sleep-riot and the sky is out of order
               This is for when your sex is full of voodoo
               This is for when your clothes are imaginary
         This is for when your flesh creeps and never comes back



Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:06:10 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Good, Bad and Morricone


>          ::Send no more mail
>          ::-Steve
>
>          Send an 'unsubscribe 4ad-l' message to listserv@american.edu

i've sent this guy two personal messages telling him how to unsub, and he
still hasn't figured it out.  i'm ready to e-mail his sysop.  we'll try one
more time. . .

BiZ

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:38:32 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: li'l whos, christmas, and no flame ...also no 4ad content...


> Top 5 Egg Nogs:
> ---------------
> 1. Foster Farms, MMMMM :)
> 2. Foster Farms light, gets colder and ya can drink it faster
> 3. Alta Dena Premium, very yummy; kinda too rich
> 4. Vons Select, almost perfect
> 5. Bud's, too thick; tastes like circus peanuts but good anyway
>
> Bottom 3 Egg Nogs:
> ------------------
> F. Jerseymaid, bleagh! Horrible!
> F. kind in a bottle with a cow on it, ewww...
> F. Alta Dena w/honey, kinda yucky...i guess unless you like honey


hey, I wanna play!  I personally love LSU's eggnog.  Being an agricultural and
engineering school, LSU (Louisiana State University) operates its own dairy.
They make their own ice cream; and egg nog during the holiday season.
Unfortunately, LSU does not lie b/n Houston and Monroe so I haven't gotten any
egg nog from there since I graduated in 1990.  :(  But it is by far the best
egg nog I've ever had!!!  Beats the hell out of schepps, borden's and that
poinsetta crap.


marvyn

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:29:29 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: cheap 1996 calendars


The Virgin Megastore in Los Angeles (Crescent Heights and
Sunset) has the 1996 v23 Calendars on sale for $19.95,
marked down from $25.95. I found out about this two
days after I bought a couple at Arcana for $30 each.

The Tower Records on Sunset has some of the most recent
4AD poster sets (green tube, debut at the 13 Year Itch).

Aron's Records has Stereolab's Low-Fi CD in their
import section for around $20-25 (wasn't someone looking
for this recently?) They also have a bunch of Bill Nelson
CDs used, and they've been marking down lots of their
used CD stock to $4.95, some of it from this year like
Belly and Throwing Muses. If anyone is looking for
old Simple Minds vinyl, they have a ton of it. I even
saw a used copy of the Elysium album in the New Age section
which I filed more sensibly.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:40:31 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: things that begin with E


Many thanks to those who came to the show on Saturday.
It was a critical show, and luckily it was one of their
best. Look for the interview in the UC Riverside campus
paper sometime soon.

What Nadim described at a total goth band was
actually Kassandra's Veil, not Human Drama.
Yeah, they were pretty terrible. Love Spirals
Downwards were spot-on great once again, starting
out with a couplet from the Whoville/Grinch song
(as eagerly anticipated by me).

The next Elysium show is this Friday Dec 22 at the E Bar
on Green Street in Pasadena. Another fine LA band
known as Honeywater is also playing. The E Bar is a
tiny little coffee house, so get there early, say 8pm.

Eggnog. As with most things, the best comes from making it
yourself from scratch.

Eden. I just remembered seeing a used copy of Healingbow
at Aron's yesterday. Go snag it.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:23:36 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: 4AD 96 Calendars (and 94!)


When you say 4AD calendars, should we assume you mean the v23 calendars?
I don't think there ARE 4AD calendars for 96.


>
> FACING THE WRONG WAY (UK) 4AD CD also avail for $22.50
>

WOW! that's REALLY expensive.


Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:34:27 -0600
From: Sung Shim (foss@WWA.COM)
Subject: Re: leaf ep


At 02:36 PM 12/18/95 CST, you wrote:
>what is the catalog number of the ep on leaf records w/ neil slowdive and
>mark seefeel?  and more importantly, is it in print?  there's a store here
>that sells leaf stuff, so i want to try and order it. . .

     it's REEL1.  Quite an awesome EP, the track by Being is really cool,
and of course the Gescom (aka Autechre) is super as well.

sung
---
  foss@wwa.com
  http://shoga.wwa.com/~foss/


Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:23:19 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Vision Thing/AfterHours


Liz/Russ said:

--

Sisters is from? Someone taped it for me years ago and I would love to
track down and original copy. Thanks.

--

If I recall correctly (this is off the top of my head) AfterHours was on one
of theit early EPs, they had a string of EPs before they released "First and
Last and Always". I cannot remember which EP, but I will look for it when I
get home.

-nb-

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:03:33 -0500
From: "bcrayon@en.com" (bcrayon@EN.COM)
Subject: Re: leaf ep


I'm not sure of the catalog number but it's called Invisible Soundtracks and it
has N. Halsted w/ others under the name of Being i think.  Also, Disjecta,
Gescom, and somebody else.
later,
john c
ps my store can get it if you can't track it down.


>quick one:
>
>what is the catalog number of the ep on leaf records w/ neil slowdive and
>mark seefeel?  and more importantly, is it in print?  there's a store here
>that sells leaf stuff, so i want to try and order it. . .
>
>thanks,
>
>BiZ
>


Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:07:37 GMT
From: "Hugh O'Brien" (hugh@INTERNET-EIREANN.IE)
Subject: Movietone etc.


        Just a quick mention of some new vinyl I picked up during
        the week (the majority of which I haven't heard as I've no
        player at the moment!) :

        Movietone LP(with one postcard) + Amp 7". Amp is apparently
        another member of Movietone.

        Ladies who Lunch - "Kims we Love" 7". Josephine Wiggs and
        girlfriend(?) Kate from Luscious Jackson. Heard the cover
        of Gigantic off this. Strange. No vocals. Done on kiddies
        keboards. Includes rather wierd phone message from Mike D
        of Beastie Boys.

        Another 7" on Grand Royal this time by Ko-Stars. Two other
        members of Luscious Jackson produced by Jo Wiggs.
 Hugh O'Brien            hugh@internet-eireann.ie
"Music has to be sound, otherwise you are lost.Sound
goes into the inner part of the human soul"-Iannis Xenakis

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:46:26 -0800
From: Ryan (ryan@LEONARDO.NET)
Subject: Re: e's technical review of excelsis


e writes:
>Am I to assume you agree with the remainder of my review?
No.  Don't assume anything please.


e also writes about lovesliescrushing:
>As a rule, my guitar
>has come up with more interesting music on its own while I left the room,
>and this is not a joke.

And, when I pressed him on this as to why LLC is signed and why he's not, e
>If I had recorded it and sent it to Projekt, I'm sure it would have been
>given serious consideration.

Don't be so sure about anything please (especially getting on a label).
And what's with this 'IF' you recorded it blah..blah..?  Sounds like hot
air to me.  The *fact is* that you didn't record and send it in, and the
reason why is most likely is that you *never* had anything to send in. If
it's so damn easy for you to get these great guitar sounds, it'd be quite
easy for you to re-create and record it!  As the Nike add says: Just do it.
Let's really hear it!  Talk is cheap my friend, but a *real* (not
imaginary) demo tape can land you a deal that will give you thousands of
dollars and an international audience for your art.


Take Care,
Ryan

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:11:15 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: All Virgo are mad!?!?!----Lush cd 0016


    I just picked up a copy of All Virgo are Mad at the Music Trader
and was wondering if this was worth anything. Not that I'd sell it,
it's got "Childcatcher" on it, and know what, it rules! nah nanny boo
boo!

I've got A.V.A.M. and you don't! ha ha ha

BY THE WAY: I found a Lush "gala" cd 0016 or 0017 is this special? It
was diffrent than the other Galas that were there. Could this be the
one with the interview on it?
                                Brian



P.S.  I also got Shonen Knife, Girls agianst boyz (rocks!), Everclear
for 5.00 and Bad Religion. But wouldn't you know it...I lost my
headphones! AAARRRRRGGGGHHHH! KNOW WHAT ELSE, MY "FOR LOVE" OR
"SUPERBLAST!" CD SINGLES HAVENT ARRIVED YET! AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH
NOOOOOOOOOOOO! I HAVE TO LEAVE TOMMOROW AND NO LOVE, NO LUSH, NO
NOTHING, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:31:03 -0800
From: Ryan (ryan@LEONARDO.NET)
Subject: Re: e's technical review of excelsis


Attacking my semantics, e writes:
>ooh, samples *and* samplers? What, pray tell, does a sampler sound like?
>I shall have to sample one sometime.

What does a sampler sound like, pray tell?  Well, whatever you sample into
it, that's what it sounds like (I should know, I actually own a few
samplers).  Of course, a sampler without any wave-samples has no sound per
se.  But you can sample a sampler; you obviously would want to sample a
sampler that was playing back a sample as opposed to one that has no
samples (and is therefore virtually silent).

I used the words 'samples' and 'samplers' to set them in a technological/
conceptual category distinct from synthesizers which, apart from wavetable
and sound modeling synths, do not use digital wave technology in their
sound creation (and instead use analog/substractive synthesis, digital
frequency modulation synthesis, additive harmonic synthesis, etc...).

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 01:25:29 +0000
From: Graeme Delap (graeme@GRIEVES.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: need bandmates, bitching moaning, cd's


Brian,

> Q: btw - Which was t. Donnely's last album?

    cool album of the year 1991

controversial eh Nirvana fans?   : )


g


"I was looking for some action but all I found was cigarettes and alcohol...."
non-thislisty band beginning with 'O'


Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:56:12 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Liquorice 7"s...


Hey folks... I'm looking for any of the recent 7" promos that have
unreleased Liquorice tracks on them.  For example, the split with
Tarnation (a DIRT promo?).  Anyway...  I can offer cash or trade.

Has anyone been keeping up a Liquorice discography, by any chance?

Mike

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:39:36 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Elysium review


Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:07:39 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM) (stuff deleted) >Anyway, the point is: Lovely voice. The music kinda sounds the same at first >(which is a normal reaction when you haven't heard the band before) but as the >set progressed the layers of vocals/guitars seems to make more sense. The >guitar playing is both gentle and soft and also can be dense. It is hard to >describe (I suck at reviews because I look at it from an emotional point of >view rather than technical). Well let me just put it this way and leave it to >others who were at the show (Candice? I looked for you, were you there?): >Elysium brings out that beautifull feeling that we haven't felt in a while. I would agree with your description of the guitar textures. It's a dense sort of montage with a lot happening under the surface when you stop and listen to it. Rodney's sound had a bit more distortion than what I remember from other shows, that gave a good wah here and there. Some of the high points for me were "Christmas," one of their more "happy" songs with a great minor mode section (hmm maybe it's the bridge?)-- the beginning gives me the same feeling that the Cocteaus' "Frosty" does, and "Gloryamous" (the song that starts with a G that I always forget the name of.) Two great songs that haven't been released, yet. There were a bunch of high points actually, but I don't want to go on and on. I only can wish that they bumped Kassandra's Veil and played a longer set. K's Veil were, um, not too good. The intro music was ok, as the fog machines pumped their hearts out to create atmosphere. Right before the band came on, the stage was black except for one spotlight shining straight up beneath the lead singer's mic. I was thinking it would be great if he came on and shouted "I AM THE GOD OF HELL FIRE!" or now, thinking about it, started saying the beginning words of "Stonehenge," which would've had me rolling in the aisle. But, alas, he started singing, but wasn't able to hold a note for more than a fraction of a second. The music may have been not too bad at times-- I put on some earplugs and when I started to fall asleep, decided to go downstairs and try chatting with people. LSD were great, as anyone could tell you. Just a beautiful, simple sound, but very close to their recordings. Possibly not as funny as some other show they've done (this was my first time seeing them) but still, Suzanne is absolutely a freak of nature (this is a good thing!) She was saying, "That was a cover, just so you all know and people on the internet don't say 'They played a cover and I was the only person that noticed!'" I saw some of Human Drama and must say they are a tad too... Dramatic for me. They do what they do well. From what I've heard of their recordings the lyrics are on the corny-dramatic side, but after seeing them they seem to fit the overall picture. Wish I could make it to the Richard's-Birthday-Elysium show in Pasedena but I should be on I-5 between here and SF about then. -nick lars, are you polling this year? If you are, I'll send you a list of my favorite breakfast condiments of the year with 10 points divided up among them.

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:06:27 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Pail Saints a-go-go/Lilliput Versace T


>...and by the way, when buying your next Lilliput - ask to see if it comes
>with the t-shirt like mine did.  If I'm not mistaken it adds quite a bit
more
>value to it.  With t-shirt it should go for about $250-$300.

Is this a 4AD/ Versace t-shirt or something?

Curious.

************

I read somewhere on the 4AD newsgroup that along with the now well known
departure of RHP (who are on the verge of signing with Island supposedly) our
beloved Ian-less Pail Saints have left/been dropped as well.

Jason

srilank@aol.com

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 21:48:43 -0500
From: varoom! (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: PiL


>...one man's search for Liliput reminds me of my own efforts to locate
>Public Image Limited's limited edition CD of their first release
>called 'Metal Blade'( VIRGIN MTLBL-LTMCD01).  It is a CD-sized tin
>with a stamped PIL-logo cover.  At this point I'd settle for a dinged
>up used copy.

Actually, it's called Metal Box. The original vinyl version was pressed on a
number of 45rpm 12-inches and packaged in a film canister-type thing with no
paper sleeves to stop the records from scratching each other. Later vinyl
(in conventional packaging) and CD versions were retitled "Second Edition".

Just my US$0.02 ($0.03 Canadian)

L

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:36:04 -0500
From: "Susan E. Kaup" (susan@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: IUMA oddity - no 4AD content


A coworker brought to my attention the IUMA "postit" page

I saw the following and it really disturbed me. Just wondering what 4AD list
loons think of it. It is regarding Indie labels getting onto the IUMA www site.

"I asked for a link to our Indie site and was told it would cost me $10,000
per mounth with a minimum contract of one year. Thats $100,000.00 for thoes
who can't multiply. This pricing shuts ouit the Indies and they must know
that. I have sent two emails to IUMA asking for a price that we could
afford. No one has answered me yet. Maybe they're having too much fun
spending their big label money. Dave Kaspersin. Dynamic Recording Studio and
Indie Label."

Is it just me, or is this absurd?  Isn't the main premise behind IUMA to
offer exposure for indie labels and bands?

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        Susan E. Kaup

                Channel 1 Communications
                audio/video on the www:  http://channel1.com/grahicaudio


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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:06:29 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: 4-ad really blows, (someone hold me back!)


Brian proclaimed--
>So let me get this straight, 4-ad cashed my check, everyone elses check
>but nobody recieves anything. Thats downright....uh...bad. Those sons
>of bitches, dirty rat bastards! I'm not jackassing up to L.A. to get a
>catalogue so maybe I'll just make some really obsene phone calls to get
>my stuff! "Hey you fuckin' wackyass bastards! Don't make me come down
>there, or I'll shoe your ass'es like a motherfucker! You ever had a
>shoe enema before? would you like one if I don't get my stuff?" -click-
>well maybe not.

...or threaten to infiltrate their mailing list.

BTW do Scott and Mari know you speak like this??

My response to your inquiry was indeed a bit of late-night sarcasm.
(that should do it.)
***Any misleading information regarding the support group or the efficiency
and reliability of 4AD mail-order was unintentional (I believe 390 people
*did* get the attempt at humor, however for the 1 member who did not--here
layeth ye disclaimer).

Brian continued in an adjacent message--

>        they stole my hard earned money"
>       black people o'er dair! We gon sho 'em whut da bruthas cado "

...and this is??


Jason

srilank@aol.com

we wish you a merry christmas.


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