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Subject: Re: Paul's anti-Flamage suggestion.
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 20:06:32 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: one less liliput in the world
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 20:42:49 -0800
From: Snarlo (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: one less liliput in the world
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 01:06:36 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: on enya and at my wit's end
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 20:45:20 +0000
From: Roger Dahl (rd@REDLEAF.BBS.NO)
Subject: Re: One lost lilliput
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 23:32:00 PST
From: Foothill High School Associated Student Body
Subject: In defense of Vision Thing
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 01:36:30 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Re: one less liliput in the world
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 01:15:56 -0800
From: [suppressed]
Subject: belly WWW pages
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 03:40:40 -0600
From: Sung Shim (foss@WWA.COM)
Subject: lonely is an eyesore video
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 03:42:32 -0600
From: Sung Shim (foss@WWA.COM)
Subject: liliput found...
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 04:36:34 -0700
From: Noah Slankard (slankard@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Smashing Pumpkins "Swallow" Song
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:27:52 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Late, late
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 15:14:19 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: lonely is an eyesore video
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:58:40 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins "Swallow" Song
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 10:18:46 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Alan Moulder/dissension/winter music
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 10:17:39 -0500
From: varoom! (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: on enya and at my wit's end
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:09:41 -0500
From: Michael Schlesinger (mns6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: hina Live
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:34:26 -0600
From: Michael C Lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: I'm a Nazi moron inquiring about promos!
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:16:41 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: on enya and at my wit's end
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:24:14 EDT
From: Steve Kafasis (Steve_Kafasis@WALNUT.PRS.K12.NJ.US)
Subject: For the friend of Joe who's in Minneapolis
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 12:09:04 -0800
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: on enya and at my wit's end
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 21:54:10 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: New Lush releases
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:28:09 EST
From: Quinn Devine (devine@SUN1.ENGR.UTK.EDU)
Subject: lighten up
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:57:59 -0600
From: "i am the egg-nog, i am the egg-nog,
Subject: Re: SNOW Has Been Re-Released
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 15:48:24 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Wanted: Public Image Limited Metal Blade
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 08:13:17 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: e's technical review of excelsis
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:17:31 -0800
From: Ryan (ryan@LEONARDO.NET)
Subject: Re: New Lush releases
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 03:40:03 +0100
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Who's me?
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 03:40:05 +0100
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: 4-ad really blows, (someone hold me back!)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 19:30:20 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)

Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 20:06:32 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Paul's anti-Flamage suggestion.


>>Just a quick note: if people are going to make jokes, they should
>>either be:
>>
>>a) funny, or
>>b) clearly labled* as such,
>>
>>just so no one gets the wrong idea.
>>
>>Yours,
>>Paul

Actually I think Paul just violated his own new guideline.

* And while I'm being petty, does no one around here know how to spell?!?
myself just discovered that I've been tacking the non-word "dissention"
onto my posts for the past few weeks. And NO ONE TOLD ME! It's like
walking around with a booger on your nose, and passing dozens of people,
and no one is rude/considerate enough to tell you about it.]


compilation on Planet Dog. Heck, I don't know what to call this kind of
music anymore. "Ambient" probably, except it's not, and it's even less
ambient than many non-ambient "ambient" collections. "Trance?" All I know
but solid, and with lots of great ethno sounds like tablas, didgeridoo
and sitar, not to mention some monster dub. The Astralasia track alone is
worth the price, with a neato guitar that sounds like some Indian
instrument soloing all through it. And it's excellent music to play with
little babies by. Two little drooly thumbs up from the Jedlet.

__________
Jens Alfke __________________          _________________________
           jens@mooseyard.com          http://www.inow.com/~jens
       _______________________________________________________________
       Old Aunt Nyla she looked out on the feast of Stephen
       When they stole her special ham, she swore she would get even
       So she took a belt of Scotch and picked up a barstool
       Praying to her porcine god: "Deliver me that pig-stealing fool!"

Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 20:42:49 -0800
From: Snarlo (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: one less liliput in the world


There are two copies of Lilliput at Amoeba Records here in Berkeley,
Ca...they are going for $225 or so if i recall correctly! Pretty
outrageous...but it is beautiful.  And, as far as i know, it IS the only
place that "Controversial Subject" by The The has been reissued on cd...

longing to listen to "treasure" because it is so darn wintery.

Peter


Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 01:06:36 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: one less liliput in the world


...and by the way, when buying your next Lilliput - ask to see if it comes
with the t-shirt like mine did.  If I'm not mistaken it adds quite a bit more
value to it.  With t-shirt it should go for about $250-$300.

-Blue
blubelknol@aol.com
"Know who you are at every age" - CT


Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 20:45:20 +0000
From: Roger Dahl (rd@REDLEAF.BBS.NO)
Subject: on enya and at my wit's end


About the Enya records...

I would rate the records like this:

The Celts - 32 (The Celts, I Want Tomorrow, Boadicea)
Watermark - 20 (Cursum Perficio, Eicile)
Shepherd Moons - 24 (Carabian Blue, Ebud=E6, *Book of Days*)
The Memory of Trees - 10 (On My Way Home)

This is after going through all records, and giving points to melodies.
the melodies in paranteses are ones that I particularly like.

The *power* is gone in 'Memory of Trees'. Where are the breathtaking
percussion, the diversity in instruments, the spectacular 'solo' parts.
'trees' is basically an 'empty' record. There is not much there.

> Enya - The Memory of Trees
> --------------------------
>=20
> > On a music note, how is the new Enya?
>=20
> It kind of sucks.
>=20
> Okay, here's what up with this Enya record. It is better than Shepherd
> Moon, but I classify Shepherd Moon as really bad.

What about 'Ebud=E6' and 'Book of Days' on Shepherd. Even if all the rest o=
f
the record was hopeless those two would make it a good record. They are
not just fantastic. They are religious experiences. And as it is, the rest
of the record isn't hopeless, there's more good stuff there.=20

> To me, it was a
> disappointment on a level with Twist of Shadows, Vision Thing, Electric,
> Ejector Seat Reservation.

I think 'Twist of Shadows' is the best Xymox album I've got. The 3-4 last
tunes really lift it up. But I've only got that one, 'Phoenix' and the one
which first tune is 'A Day'. Is that one called just 'Xymox'..? Vision
Thing is not very good, true.=20

> The title track and "Pax Deorum" are both very pretty songs, but even
> here the style seems to have cheapened somewhat

This is exactly what I thought after hearing the record, "her style has
cheapened". For some strange reason Eithne has decided in playing all
instruments on 'trees' herself and so the depressing and boring lack of
diversity. What happened. Did she get avaricious after earning heaps of
money on her previous records or what...=20

> though Pax has a nice,
> ominous, dark-epic side to it that she has not up until now shown.

True. I still don't think it's particuarly good.

> Then
> there's "Anywhere Is" which is corny, too happy. There's not much wrong
> with it, but it's bothersome because it is essentially New Age music.

'Anywhere Is' is just silly. Reminds me of some childrens rhyme.

> "Athair Ar Neamh" is very pretty for the most part, but has a middle
> section that kind of ruins it with an up-with-people, Queen-ish chord
> change. The middle parts are way off on this album.

I think the cord change is ok. But what I don't like about this tune is=20
that even though it's pretty enough it's just so 'empty'. Without=20
features of any kind. No surprises. It's very obviously Enya, but it just=
=20
floats along in 'idle speed' and you forget that you are listening to it.=
=20
It seems to me a computer program could make this tune by just making an=20
average based on input from other slow Enya tunes.=20

> "From Where I Am" is
> a horrible piece of New Age piano fluff like you would hear at Nordstroms
> or wherever you buy *your* fine scented bath oils. It is complete trash.

Couldn't have said it better myself. And what I said about "Athair"=20
applies to this one as well.=20

> Don't they have friends who can play the piano? "China Roses" is the most
> infuriating song on the album; it begins with a beautiful verse which
> ends on an irritating return to the key's tonic, Nick Cave style. The
> chorus to the song is a little bit cheezy; fine. And there are new age
> bleeps everywhere, though admittedly somewhat subdued. It's really pretty
> nice anyhow. But then she fucking ruins it all! There are start trek
> chords! Then it breaks into a bridge which may well contain the ugliest
> chord progression I have EVER heard. I cried out when I heard it for the
> first time! Uncontrollably I yelped, "Yuck! What the hell was that!?" The
> song is completely ruined. Fuck it. Next track.

I totally disagree! China Roses is a GOOD tune! One of the 3 best on this=
=20
album at least. But then again, I like Nick Cave as well :)

> Okay, "Hope Has a Place". A nice slow piece that might fit on
> Watermark except that it has an Americana flavor to it I can't really put
> my finger on. Not a bad song.

I hate it. I think it's the worst song on the album. It's just completely=
=20
pathetic and uggggly as hell...

> "Tea House Moon" is more bad New Age but
> with the benefit that, disgusting as it is, it is nevertheless kind of a
> good tune.

My feeling on this tune is that it would make a good opening for a 'real'=
=20
tune. Or a background for something more maybe. But as it is it's not=20
very interesting and suddently it's just over.

> "Once You Had Gold" is revolting, "heartfelt" semi-opera and
> sounds like some old folk tune from the late sixties. Her voice is not at
> all suited to the task and she makes an ass of herself. There is also a
> very stupid bridge.

Agreed. 'Once You Had Gold" falls into the same category as 'Hope Has a=20
Place' methinks. That is, pathetic and ugly as hell.

> "La Sanadora" is gorgeous for a while before it
> breaks into the typical Enya bullshit and is predictably ruined.

Very true... Sigh.......

> "On My
> Way Home" ends the album on a peculiar note, fast and bleepy with some
> beats, totally unlike the rest of the album, like the extra "Storms in
> Africa" on the domestic release of Watermark. And this is the good part.
> When it hits the chorus the song kicks into something approaching a
> sitcom theme, or perhaps more along the lines of a bad medical drama.

"On My Way Home" is my favourite on this album. I think it's fresh and it=
=20
gives me some hope that Eithne may still make some good music some time.=20
What I don't like about this tune is that it's so repetitive.

> And
> then the album is over and not soon enough.

My feeling is that the album ends *to soon*. After I start it I simply
forget that it's on. And the next thing I notice is that the music stops
and I think "oh. it's finished allready". There is allmost nothing of=20
substance in there.

> I can't say I'm not glad I
> have it, because three of the songs are very nice, but it's basically a
> terrible album. Sorry to be so negative and vicious but I hold Watermark
> in as high an esteem as any album you would care to name, and few things
> in art make me angrier than the stupid direction Enya's music has taken.
> It is a pathetic, outdated joke.

I bought this album without even listening to it first because I knew=20
that it couldn't possibly be so bad that I wouldn't want to have it, the=20
other Enya albums being completely out of this world. But the record is=20
sad and my overall feeling is that she can't have put much work or money=20
in it. The best thing about this album is the sleeve and the design on=20
the cd. So I'm wondering what on earth has she been up to? I can't=20
imagine. It's been quite a while since her last album too. Maybe she's=20
just running out of ideas. I'll listen to her next album thorougly before=
=20
I decide whether to buy it or not.=20

  -+*#*+- -+*#*+- -+*#*+- -+*#  Roger Dahl - rd@redleaf.bbs.no  #*+-=20
      Now Hounds of Love are Hunting


Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 23:32:00 PST
From: Foothill High School Associated Student Body
Subject: Re: One lost lilliput


I know that Arcana (if they had any) charges $175 currently (last month)
for a Lilliput.  Mine was brand new, but like Blue said, it did not include
the T-shirt.

I feel for your loss.  I too live in N. California (Redding) and we had 85
MPH winds.  I lost a little piece of my roof, but nothing serious.  I was
guarding my 4AD collection the whole night.

I would give Arcana a call.  They might be sumpathetic to your situation.
They hopefully could give you some paperwork that you could use for your
insurance.

Arcana - Books On The Arts
129 Third Street Promenade
Santa Monica, CA  90401
(310) 458-1499

We're any of your other Cd's ruined?  I have extra copies of early Cocteau
(import) stuff.  I also have a copy of Dif Juz - Extractions.

Layne

fhsasb@shastalink.k12.ca.us

Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 01:36:30 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: In defense of Vision Thing


Some people (whom I won't name to avoid starting a new thread of fire) have
been slagging Vision Thing recently. I'm assuming this is the awesome
record released by the Sisters of Mercy (i.e. Andrew Eldritch) in 1990. (I
don't know of another album by this title.)

This was one of my favorites that year. Start to finish, Vision Thing not
only ROCKS (to use a silly cliche) but its got those great literate lyrics
that are delivered flawlessly by Mr. Eldritch. The lyrical imagery moves
another step away from the superstition and witchcraft of First and Last
and Always and further into the apocalypse now mode that was begun on
Floodland.

We're not singing about tarot cards, possession, or angels. Now we've got
corrupt parliaments, El Dorados, drag strips, napalm...hell, we've even got
Pee Wee Herman reading the evening news. This isn't 19th century england,
this is 20th century [insert your choice of a large American city
here].(This transition from the antiquated to the modern came full circle
on the Under the Gun single and frankly I can't wait to see what Andrew
does next.)

On a side note:
Did anyone else happen to catch the interview between Lewis Largent, the
former 120minutes host, and Andrew around the time of the Vision Thing
tour? Mr. Eldritch's obvious loathing of Lewis was superb. =^}

Musically, Vision Thing is it's own kind of heavy metal meets punk with
some of the early Sister's "gothic" flavor left intact. Defintely worth a
second listen if it didn't catch you the first time around.

Sisters is from? Someone taped it for me years ago and I would love to
track down and original copy. Thanks.

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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 01:15:56 -0800
From: [suppressed]
Subject: Re: one less liliput in the world


I truly feel your sorrow.  I've been looking for (reasonably priced)
Liliput for over a year and, yes, I was the one who bought the Liliput
from Southland CD about a month ago before it hit the ad.  They also had
a 13 Year ITch for $75 which I also claimed.  ANyways, if you're looking
to replace your Liliput, Southland CD is the cheapest place I've seen.
If cost-is-no-object than try calling Empire Mail Order in New York at
317-925-4742 email:Robotboy@inetdirect.net  ALso try Amoeba Music in
Berkeley(check Goldmine for phone #), but both stores charge a hefty
premium.

On Sat, 16 Dec 1995 BluBelKnol@AOL.COM wrote:

> I sympathize with your loss... as I myself have one and would hate to loose
> it to something especially theft or some sort of natural disaster.
>
> I'd like to help out in any way I can with your insurance agent.  If it would
> help to have written 'estimates' of value signed by those who do collect
> them, then maybe the insurance agency would be willing to pay fair market
> value.  Either that or look through Goldmine magazine, usually every month or
> 2 you can find a Lilliput advertised for sale...maybe they would accept that
> ad then as proof of value.
>
> As far as pelacement goes, I'd like to help you out there too.  As far as I
> know (and I've combed the country to help my friend find one!) your best bet
> is is a place that often advertises in Goldmine called Southland CD.  They
> were recently advertising one for sale at $75, but sold it before the ad even
> hit.  They have a waiting list of names for those who want to get a Lilliput,
> and last week I put my friends name on it and she was #3.  So I think that
> might be your best bet (taking into acount that some people on that list
> might be unprepared to buy one once their name comes up).
>
> Contact Southland CD at:
> P.O. Box 3005
> Redondo Beach, California
> 90277-1005
> 310.379.6300 (phone M-F 12-6pm Pacific time)
> 310.379.3055 (fax)
> internet: sls@ni.net
> http: http://www.ni.net/cdstore.com
>
> or you might also have some luck trying Arcana book stores who had almost 10
> of the little devils when "This Rimy River" was released...but sold every one
> of them in a week when Vaughan had a signing there.
>
> The address and # escape me for the moment...it has been posted on the list
> before, so if you really need it, either ask for it on the listserve, or
> e-mail me back and I shall rummage for it.  But it is also there in
> California.
>
> Hope all of this helps you in some way.
>
> By the way, I'm sure the CD's are still good right???  If you get a
> replacement,and want to get rid of the extra CD's let me know!
>
> -Blue
> blubelknol@aol.com
> "Know who you are at every age" -CT
>

Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 03:40:40 -0600
From: Sung Shim (foss@WWA.COM)
Subject: belly WWW pages


     all this talk about web design and the 4ad list, i thought i'd mention
my belly pages.  ive just given them a complete facelift, and id like to
think i've achieved that balance of something that is both pleasing to look
at, easy to interface, and informative.  and to answer a previous comment,
netscape v2.0 BETA 3 loads background images like any other image, so you
don't have to wait for it to be loaded before you see anything else, quite nice.

     let's not fight anymore, instead let's all bask in my design efforts!


sung
---
  foss@wwa.com
  http://shoga.wwa.com/~foss/

Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 03:42:32 -0600
From: Sung Shim (foss@WWA.COM)
Subject: lonely is an eyesore video


     anyone know where i can get this on VHS?  i've been looking but to no
avail.

sung
---
  foss@wwa.com
  http://shoga.wwa.com/~foss/


Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 04:36:34 -0700
From: Noah Slankard (slankard@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: liliput found...


hello all,

        sorry to hear about your loss. I just wanted to point out that
stinkweeds record exchange in mesa, az has a copy (sans t-shirt) available
for $75.00. they're happy to do mailorder, so if anyone wants it, give
kimber a call at (602) 897.7109.

noah


Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:27:52 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Smashing Pumpkins "Swallow" Song


Is it just me or does "1979" sound a bit like Billy Corrgan has been listening
to Swallow's Blow and Blowback. I think Mellon Collie is very good and
there is quite a bit of variety there. I think that anytime Alan Moulder is
involved the result is quite good. Any comments on this song though and
its Swallow sound? Could this just be because of Moulder I wonder?

Steve

"Things mean alot at the time, don't mean nothin' later"
                                                            -Red House
Painters

Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 15:14:19 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Late, late


I wrote this in early September, but I forgot to post it.  I'm sure
you'll all be *so* pleased that I finally remembered to post it... :-)

------------

So when I got back last week, there was a nice, thick package full of
cds from 4AD. For meee! I'm now officially music industry scum, I
guess. And I'll have to do some work on eyesore now.

Since I have this stack of new music, I guess I should write some
reviews. Why not.


Kendra Smith - Five Ways of Disappearing

After hearing about her "performance" at the AVAM do I was ready to
enjoy this album. "Surely," I thought to myself, "she can't be *that*
bad. I'm sure they just misunderstood her genious. Or something."

This album is bad beyond belief. No - that's not accurate. It's
ordinary beyond belief. It's dull. It's boring. It's tuneless. It's
(dare I say it) *adult*. Yecchh!

It starts off with this song called "Eurelia" which sounds like Smith
was thinking "how about if I take that drony sound Joy Division used
in their least perky moments and added a five hour wank-fest guitar
solo at the end? Yes! What genious!" In fact, I find it hard to get
past that song at all. The rest of the album is quite inoffensive in
its total blandness, but... that song really sets the mood. There's
not a single choon on the entire album. There's nothing interesting
anywhere at all. It's... it's... Words fail me. This is the worst
album I have. This is the worst thing 4AD have ever released. There
are no redeeming qualities.


Liquorice - Listening Cap

This, on the other hand, is pure bliss. It's so *cute*. There's these
neat little pop tunes, a good singer, goofy lyrics, kinda straight
productions, but the Defever hand has touched it all... Some of the
songs are acoustic and simple, and some are with full band, and they
are all delightful. On a scale of one to ten - at least!

One thing, though - while I was listening to this the first time, I
was so totally reminded of other music that I love. I was unable to
put my finger on what they sounded like, but each song was totally
"wow! this song sounds just like... uhm... like..." I never could put
my finger on it, so it might just be that I liked it so much that it
went straight to my innermost being and muddled my brain by making
these strange connections...

Anyways. Should I run out and buy all Simple Machines/Tsunami/
Hated/Ida albums right away, then? What should I buy first?


Lisa Gerrard - The Mirror Pool

I can see why everybody is so down on this album. It does seem a bit
new agey, but it seems good enough to me. It doesn't set the world on
fire, but I like it just the same. I guess I had expected more - if
this was from a new, unknown artist, I'm sure I would have been bowled
over.


Red House Painters - Ocean Beach

Still sounds very nice. "Drop" is divine.


Belly - King

This is the first time I've seen the regular packaging, which, as is
usual with v23, looks better than the limited edition. (The book-thing
was fun, though.) This day-glo dice motif is very well done.


Belly - Seal my Fate (live) and see-through 7''.

It's, like, four live tracks from March. Nice mix.


And that's it for freebies. Promo copies even.

I also bought 4 new cds, and I might as well mention them as well.
"Maxinquaye" by Tricky - the new Bjork. No, really. He does them
strange instrumentations, has them strange (but good) lyrics, has an
"interesting" singer, and writes them odd tunes. And it's all rather
good. Some of the songs are a bit meandering, though. But the ones
that work do really work. "Overcome", "Black Steel" and the other
one... Nice stuff. "Ellipsis" by Scorn, which is the drummer out of
Napalm Death. So this is ambient techno, of course. This is the first
Scorn I've heard, and I bought it since Coil and Meat Beat Manifesto
did some remixes (this is a remix album). It's a quite good, dark,
sometimes ambient, sometimes rhythmic, quite dark, diet
pseudo-industrial, did I mention dark? album. "7=49" by the Moon Seven
Times. I had really expected something more, like, gurly-wurly, but
these people have the audacity to *rock*. Like, with drums and
electric guitars and everything. And quite good it is as well. "The
Ugly One With The Jewels" by Laurie Anderson is a live recording of a
reading from her book "Stories from the Nerve Bible". I saw here live
this June, and I was totally mesmerised. She did mainly material from
"Bright Red" (which is a fab album). Anyways. This one is good as
well.

So. There you have it. No new music for three months, and then a whole
load of good stuff. I'm in heaven.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen


Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:58:40 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: lonely is an eyesore video


You can still order it via 4AD Mail Order.  I don't have the address
with me, however.  I have also seen it in a few shops here in Boston,
so I'm sure it's available in other major cities as well.

Mike
iceblink@delphi.com

Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 10:18:46 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins "Swallow" Song


>>Is it just me or does "1979" sound a bit like Billy Corrgan has been listening
to Swallow's Blow and Blowback. <<


You're not joking!  My roommate LOVES that song ("1979"), and when I
heard it the first time, the first thing out of my mouth was, "This
sounds a LOT like a Swallow song."  I think the one it's most like
is "Sugar Your Mind".  The drums are almost exactly alike. Funny....


Mike
iceblink@delphi.com


Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 10:17:39 -0500
From: varoom! (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Alan Moulder/dissension/winter music


>Alan Moulder has worked on the following cds I own and know what, they
>all rule:
>
>Lush- Split
>My Bloody Valantine- Loveless
>Smashing Pumpkins- Mellon Collie......
>
>Anyone have any Alan Moulder suggestions? I think he worked on a couple
>of Ride's first two albums, not sure though.................

Definitely the first Ride album - not sure about the second. Also the first
two Swervedriver albums, some stuff by Curve (he is (was?) Toni Halliday's
boyfriend). He's one of the major producers of that lovelywhirringnoisemusik
some of us really like, along with Guy Fixsen, Hugh Jones and Ed Buller.

>I
>myself just discovered that I've been tacking the non-word "dissention"
>onto my posts for the past few weeks. And NO ONE TOLD ME!

But wasn't it in the original text you quoted? Unless it's a variant of
"dissent", it's the author's fault.

>longing to listen to "treasure" because it is so darn wintery.

I always thought that "Victorialand" was THE wintery Cocteaux album. Does
anyone else have stuff that they consider "winter music"? I find Pygmalion
very wintery.

L


Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:09:41 -0500
From: Michael Schlesinger (mns6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: on enya and at my wit's end


Unfortunately, you are missing the best Xymox album, Medusa.

-M-

Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:34:26 -0600
From: Michael C Lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: hina Live


Does anyone have any info on the midwest show BiZ mentioned , I've been
meaning to check hina out after listining to you all rave about them for so
long now, and I figure this would be a cool way to begin, also, what would
be the best hina album to buy for the road trip to the show, (where is the
show, i can't remeber if that got posted or not, if it did I missed it,
sorry)

/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\
On monday when the sun is hot
I wonder to my self a lot
"Now is it true, or is it not,
That what is which, and which is what?"
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
/\/\/\/\/\lawmic@bethel.edu/\/\/\/\/\
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
=-mike (or not as the case may be)

Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:16:41 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: I'm a Nazi moron inquiring about promos!


The title speaketh loudly--

>How do I go about recieving Promos, Postcards, whatever from 4ad? Also
>when do the catalogues come out? I sent money to 4ad in July and they
>cashed the check in August. Have I been jipped? Oh btw, I'm glad to see
>everyone flaming "E" instead of me, Better you than me buckaroo! HA!
>
>                              Brian (the only one not flaming)

No one has ever *really* received anything from the 4AD retail offices in
London.  There have been (234 at last count) people from this list who have
placed orders since 4AD put out the first catalog (and subsequent updates) in
1994.  Of those 234, I believe 230 are still waiting in hope.  The 4 people
that did receive their merchandise, had to physically go over to the offices
and threaten the 4AD staff with inhumane treatment if they did not receive
their goods immediately.*
You have been jipped unfortunately, *but* you are not alone.  In fact there
are several support groups throughout the world that share the same
frustration that you have conveyed here.  I only know of one in this country,
and here's the pertinent info (assuming you are interested):

           (support group for those who did *not* receive 4AD m.o. merch.)

               Birmingham, Alabama

             9 p.m.-11 p.m. (after the Geriatric wet t-shirt contest)

There will be sugar cookies (limit 2) and cherry punch served and
they ask you to bring a friend :)

Jason

"In the afterlife. . .we are all Buckaroo's, ha-he-he-ha-ha" -unknown

srilank@aol.com

*The actual # of mail-order customers contains a +/-3 error margin.  The
actual words exchanged during the "inhumane treatment" incident are known
only to the participants that were there and were NOT revealed...for the sake
of humanity.


Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:24:14 EDT
From: Steve Kafasis (Steve_Kafasis@WALNUT.PRS.K12.NJ.US)
Subject: Re: on enya and at my wit's end


Sebd no more mail Thanks
-Steve Kafasis

-----Princeton Regional Schools takes no responsibility for the
    accuracy or content of the above message.

Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 12:09:04 -0800
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: For the friend of Joe who's in Minneapolis


sorry to use list for personnel chit chat but technology failed me once
again...

Well i crashed another harddrive kids.  Seems TCPIP ain't the friend of
every binary processor.  So that makes three 540 dying in the last
month.

the upshot is that there was somebody on this list who had a friend
named Joe who moved to Minneapolis.  Joe called me at work and I lost
his number.  I don't want him to think i'm a rude native minnesotan, a
lot of them are.  So please let him know i screwed up and still want to
get together.

Because I'm at the Cybercafe using their computer, please have him call
me at work again.  He should have the number as he already called once.
    euthelene aka kayleigh aka sharkless girl


Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 21:54:10 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: on enya and at my wit's end


Steve Kafasis  writes:

> Sebd no more mail Thanks

Well, he might be dim-witted, but at least he's polite.  And
tenacious.

All together now:  If you want to unsubscribe to the 4ad-l mailing
list, you should send a message to "listserv@listserv.american.edu"
saying "del 4ad-l" or "unsub 4ad-l".

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:28:09 EST
From: Quinn Devine (devine@SUN1.ENGR.UTK.EDU)
Subject: Re: New Lush releases


sorry if this has been mentioned before, but supposedly
Lush will be on the Wire tribute album "Whore"
I emailed to ask the label which song they covered
(and which song MBV is doing), thinking it might just be
"outdoor miner" again, but they said they were "unable
to divulge" that information.  However, the blurb for the
tribute says that the tracks by the 21 bands on the album
were recorded specifically for it, so perhaps Lush is doing
a different song.


Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:57:59 -0600
From: "i am the egg-nog, i am the egg-nog, i am the walrus koo koo ka choo"
Subject: lighten up


come on, peeps, lighten up, smoke a cig, smoke a joint, shoot up or
whatever you may do to relax and get back to the music. if you don't like
einexile's postings, email jens for 'how to construct a killfile.' e
probably contributes the most to this list, although i have no idea where
he gets enough disposable income to do so so often. from now on, put 'i am
flaming e' in the subject header so i can delete your post without mercy.

go buy mojave 3, put it on repeat, and make it rain.
.j.
where is k-j?

---
joroses@mail.utexas.edu
andover '94
-
this space for rent! you send me $50, you can have this ' ' space!

Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 15:48:24 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: SNOW Has Been Re-Released


So how do we buy it?  Who is HMV records?

Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 08:13:17 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Wanted: Public Image Limited Metal Blade


This isn't this-listy, but I need the help.

...one man's search for Liliput reminds me of my own efforts to locate
Public Image Limited's limited edition CD of their first release
called 'Metal Blade'( VIRGIN MTLBL-LTMCD01).  It is a CD-sized tin
with a stamped PIL-logo cover.  At this point I'd settle for a dinged
up used copy.

Please email if anyone knows where I might buy one of these.

I apologize in advance to anyone who feels this is inappropriate.

Thanks!


Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:17:31 -0800
From: Ryan (ryan@LEONARDO.NET)
Subject: e's technical review of excelsis


With regards to This Ascension's track, e says:
>buy some effects and plug your fucking keyboard into them!!
I've let Tim and Matt in on your technical production advice since you know
what's up; plugging effects into the fucking keyboard.  How much do you
charge?

And for Lovesliescrushing:
>As a rule, my guitar
>has come up with more interesting music on its own while I left the room,
Really?  Your guitar just up and plays on its own?  You should probably
have that checked out...schizophrenia run in your family?
>and this is not a joke.
Hmmm, wonder why they're signed and you're not if this is indeed not a joke.

Regarding Balderas & Osbourne:
>orgy of keyboard presets, an arrangement that offers nothing new
Well actually it's samples and samplers, not synth presets.

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 03:40:03 +0100
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: New Lush releases


>>Hi,
>>
>>Yesterday I received three new Lush releases on CD:
>
>Cool. Where did you get these? Were they purchases, or promos?
>

I do happen to work at PIAS Benelux, 4AD's distributor for the Netherlands.
BAD 6001 CD is a regular release,
BAD D 6001 CD is a limited edition release,
LUSH 5 CD is a promo-release.

Cheerio,

Huite

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 03:40:05 +0100
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Who's me?


So I've been away a couple of months...
I've posted a little remark on three new Lush releases, and my
mailbox overfloweth with questions, written by new (to me , that is)
members of 4AD-L.

So here's a little background on Huite Rietveld:

I do work for Play It Again Sam Records (PIAS Benelux) which happens
to be the distributor for 4AD in Belgium, The Netherlands and Luxembourg.
I'm doing the Internet-stuff for the promo-department in Hilversum, The
Netherlands eg. the E-mail and the WWW-site and occasionally IRC's with
artists.

The last one is off-line right now. We're doing a new lay-out and
try to come back online on februari 1st 1996. You'll receive a
invitation (via 4AD-L) when the site is available again.

Who's me? I'm a 35 year old guy, living in The Hague, The Netherlands,
a devotee and collector to 4AD and v23. Very busy as allways, but
allways in for a little correspondance/chat on 4AD-related stuff.

So I hope you don't mind if I occasionally post messages containing
information on forthcoming 4AD-releases.

Cheerio,

Huite Rietveld


Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 19:30:20 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: 4-ad really blows, (someone hold me back!)


>
>No one has ever *really* received anything from the 4AD retail offices
in London.  There have been (234 at last count) people from this list
who have placed orders since 4AD put out the first catalog (and
subsequent updates) in 1994.  Of those 234, I believe 230 are still
waiting in hope.  The 4 people that did receive their merchandise, had
to physically go over to the offices and threaten the 4AD staff with
inhumane treatment if they did not receive their goods immediately.*
You have been jipped unfortunately, *but* you are not alone.  In fact
there are several support groups throughout the world that share the
same frustration that you have conveyed here.  I only know of one in
this country, and here's the pertinent info (assuming you are

So let me get this straight, 4-ad cashed my check, everyone elses check
but nobody recieves anything. Thats downright....uh...bad. Those sons
of bitches, dirty rat bastards! I'm not jackassing up to L.A. to get a
catalogue so maybe I'll just make some really obsene phone calls to get
my stuff! "Hey you fuckin' wackyass bastards! Don't make me come down
there, or I'll shoe your ass'es like a motherfucker! You ever had a
shoe enema before? would you like one if I don't get my stuff?" -click-
well maybe not.

                                        Brian