4ad-l Mail for 12-16-1995

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Subject: Bel Canto
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 21:02:02 -0800
From: Angela Blakely (BLAKELYA@ULVACS.ULAVERNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: :(
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 23:20:14 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: one less liliput in the world
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:57:27 -0800
From: phil (PLOCKE@US.ORACLE.COM)
Subject: New AREA???
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 02:17:36 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: famous nazis on 4ad-l (NO MUSIQUE CONTENT)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 13:51:07 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: general musical stuff
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 16:36:43 -0500
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Welcome to jwgrote_cocteau
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:58:43 -0500 (EST)
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: WWW as distributed multimedia database
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 02:36:05 -0500
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: on enya and at my wit's end
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 01:36:35 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: e (was Re: new Enya?
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 02:29:57 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Re: New AREA???
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 02:05:48 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: New Lush releases
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 13:06:04 +0100
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: e (was Re: new Enya?
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 08:56:21 -0500
From: wendy lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: New AREA???
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 08:35:08 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Inoue (Fax), LPD, Etienne
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 07:08:48 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: espaņol/Steve tries to unsvb
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:22:56 -0500
From: varoom! (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: New AREA???
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 09:25:54 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: one less liliput in the world
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:55:48 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: SNOW Has Been Re-Released
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 11:03:57 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: "Chains Changed"
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 16:39:39 +0000
From: Graeme Delap (graeme@GRIEVES.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: disclaimers
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 00:05:48 EDT
From: Steve Kafasis (Steve_Kafasis@WALNUT.PRS.K12.NJ.US)
Subject: Re: Info on Empire Records NYC wanted!!!
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 23:50:10 EDT
From: Steve Kafasis (Steve_Kafasis@WALNUT.PRS.K12.NJ.US)
Subject: Re: e (was Re: new Enya?
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 11:24:09 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: New Lush releases
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 12:55:03 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Re: e (was Re: new Enya?
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 12:55:07 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Re: e (was Re: new Enya?
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 14:05:50 -0800
From: snowangel (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: NOT Re: e (was Re: new Enya?
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:30:12 -0500
From: wendy lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: famous nazis on 4ad-l (NO MUSIQUE CONTENT)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 14:10:50 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: e (was Re: new Enya?
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 22:53:38 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: I'm a Nazi moron inquiring about promos!
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 18:13:48 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Paul's anti-Flamage suggestion.
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:19:15 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Alan Moulder
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 18:45:47 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Cibo Matto www Address/coctoes-coctous-cocteaus,
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 18:29:36 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: I'm a Nazi moron inquiring about promos!
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 21:59:25 -0500
From: JEHEINDL@AMHERST.EDU
Subject: Re: Cibo Matto www Address/coctoes-coctous-cocteaus,
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 19:38:21 -0800
From: Rocky Colavito (brettg@NETCOM.COM)

Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 21:02:02 -0800
From: Angela Blakely (BLAKELYA@ULVACS.ULAVERNE.EDU)
Subject: Bel Canto


Not sure of the exact release date, but i do know that the knew
album is titles "Magic Box".

I haven't received word from the Bel Canto list as to the forthcoming
release date....you might try the web sight if you have access:

If you find out, please alert me at Blakelya@ulvacs.ulaverne.edu

thanks, and good luck......angela

"See his hands..look at the fingers..the fingers of the right hand spell
HATE..those of the left hand LOVE..the fingers of the left hand LOVE HATE..
those of the right hand HATE LOVE..."--Coil


Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 23:20:14 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: :(


On Fri, 15 Dec 1995, Russell Martin wrote:

>
> I'm sure Hitler and Stalin had friends too.
>
Bug OFF!

Geez...it's pretty amazing to some people that others would have friends, eh?

Now can we talk about something a BIT more relevant please?

I'm wearing my 'Me. Me. Me.' shirt.  *gasp!*  4AD content!  Who woulda
thunk it?

Strick9


Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:57:27 -0800
From: phil (PLOCKE@US.ORACLE.COM)
Subject: one less liliput in the world


pardon me for mourning in public...

i live in the sf area, and, as some of you may know, we had
our first big rains of the season this week.  this is the
first rain we've gotten since i moved into my apartment, and
on monday morning i woke up and discovered water streaming
out of my living room ceiling.

one of the streams was centered directly onto my copy of
Liliput, which i had temporarily moved from it's usual safe
resting place onto a table in the middle of the room because
i was reorganizing some stuff.

it was thoroughly soaked, and still hasn't dried completely
after 4 days.  the paper portions are wrinkled, the cardboard
is warped, and the glue holding the 2 pieces of the back
cover together has apparently dissolved.



this may not be covered by my insurance, since the value of
the item is based on its collectibility, rather than a
fair market value (or so my insurance person told me).



it also rained on my stereo, and the tape deck & tuner are
ruined...

anyway, as i said, pardon me for mourning in public.  it's
just that if i tell most people that my Liliput is ruined,
they have no concept.  i thought y'all might understand.

soggily yours,
--phil

ps, the good news is that i got my copies of the movietone
cd and fsa's 'chorus' in the mail this morning.  cool stuff.

Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 02:17:36 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: New AREA???


        e writes:
>Area do O Come Emmanuel, and while the new vocalist lacks skill, she
>nevertheless has class and her voice is intensely charming. If she could
>stay on pitch and didn't get breathy at times, this would be the model
>for what this album should have been. I mean this not as a slagging but
>as a bit of good news, that someone really good is on her way if she gets
>her shit together. Kris Krasnowski is her name and for her alone I do not
>entirely regret purchasing this album. The treatment of the song is
>tasteful; dark but in a way that fits the spirit of the song

        Is this a new song by a new incarnation of AREA?  What is Area
without Lynn Canfield?  Is this just Steve Jones (I think that is that the
keyboard guy's name from Area?) with a new singer or are there others too?

        Inquiring minds want to know...  Do they have anything else out?

-cz   ... who's been way too busy of late ...

Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 13:51:07 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: famous nazis on 4ad-l (NO MUSIQUE CONTENT)


BEEN WARNED.

On Fri, 15 Dec 1995, [spiral], leader of the forest fairies, wrote:

> before we start throwing around
> names that dont in anyway generalize
> like ohhhhh... say: NAZI... and RACIST.
> take a look at what you are saying.

i realize this thread is pretty much dead and all, but the whole nazi
thing really started to bother me in the shower this morning....so i
wanted to say a few words.

remember what you imply when you call someone a NAZI.  this is not some
catch-all term that applies to someone who might be considered fascist,
staunchly opionated, closeminded, whatever thing you are trying say about
them.  if you say NAZI, you imply a fascist, a murderer, among other things.
whatever the case, this is not a light term.  i realize that most people get
the picture when stuff like this is said, but remember that not everyone does.
what if BiZ were a native german?  or a Jewish person?  or any other person
that might take extreme offense to this term?  i suggest that anyone who
uses this term lightly do the following things:

1.take a course in german culture.
2.watch the film "night&fog" or "shoah".
3.read some postwar german lit. (& german/jewish lit.).
4.read paul celan's "death fuge".
5.talk to some germans about die Nazizeit (nazi era)

(and yes, i have done all of these things....so there :p )

sorry to preach.  i'm not trying to be PC (god forbid), i'm just asking
for people to think about what you are saying.

i had to get that off my chest.  no flames please.

        .mark....ich liebe slowdive.

Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 16:36:43 -0500
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: general musical stuff


hey ho
i'll try and answer question #2.
one lp i've been reccomending to all of my pals, is the newest lp/cd
by Cul De Sac. It's called "I Don't Want To Go To Bed". It's got the
ugliest, stupidest cover i've seen in a long while, but if you can
get past that, then you'll discover a lo-fi (actually, a 4track-
recorded practice session), kraut-rockish collection of instrumental
grooves and zone-outs.
I reccomend this to 4AD-fans, because I hear so much talk of Kranky
on this list, as well as FSA, whose fans I think would find Cul De Sac
appealing. Also, this may be the closest thing to Dif Juz I can think
of, but don't rely on that comment, as I could be way far off the mark.
But if you been yearning for some rockin' instrumental stuff, then
check these fellas out, if you haven't already. They're from Massachusettes,
but are on New Zealand's Flying Nun label. Although, I think the lp has
just been released on a domestic label. Don't know which one.

The Amps, by the way are playing here in D.C. this Sunday.
I'm a probably goin', so I'll post a review next week! cya!

 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 ''J''O''H''N'''''''R''I''C''K''M''A''N''''''''''''''''''''''''
                                       jknee@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

On Thu, 14 Dec 1995, Scott, Mari & Brian wrote

>   2.) I bought this album from Echobelly and it sounds like Bow Wow Wow
>       in a way. Now someone recommend to me something good.

Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 00:57:01 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: First mail


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Subject: Welcome to jwgrote_cocteau


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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 02:36:05 -0500
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: WWW as distributed multimedia database


Andrew Norman wrote:
The Mojave 3 interview page, by the way, is 48% loaded, ten minutes
after I started.  Netscape tells me there are twelve minutes to go, and
I think I'm about to look at Mirsky's "worst of the web" instead.
===================

You have "high speed" access? Come on now! I have a 28.8 SLIP
connection and the 4AD pages don't take that long to load!

However, a word of advice to anyone who might read this
and can forward it to the folks who put up the 4AD WWW site:
Make the background images smaller! 69K for a background
image is waaaay to large.  This is what's creating a big
bottleneck for those on slower links. The WIndows version
of Netscape loads the background image first, then the foreground
images and text. If it's huge image, the user sees nothing until
the image finishes loading. Not good.

Also, don't use graphics for text. The ASCII text would
be fine for the interview answers. But when the interview
is nothing but GIFs, yeah, that's bad for non-graphical
browsers (unless they are using the ALT tags).

As for the folks who think the Web is all about information:
True, in the early days of the Web, graphics were few and
far between. Web designers are between a rock and a hard
of the people browsing are using Netscape)
are just beginning to push the envelope design-wise, yet the majority
of people have slow dialup connections (e.g, 14.4Kbps)
But at the same time  the Web is moving
farther and farther away from it's humble beginnings.
Thus we're seeing stuff like  Shockwave and Java that
will make the Web more dynamic, less static.

It's getting to the point where the "information for information's sake"
is not cutting it anymore. The Web, like it or not,  is about enterainment
for most
people (if you like to read text, more power to ya! My zine
Dreampop has a lot of text). In short, the Web is becoming
a distributed multimedia database (graphics, animation, sound, video, and,
yeah, text).

Sorry about this techno babble, but I do this for fun _and_ a living.

-B
=====================================================
                                    Brendon Macaraeg
               http://www.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~brendonm
   "Paranoia is often an extreme hightened awareness"


Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 01:36:35 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: on enya and at my wit's end


On Fri, 15 Dec 1995, weeny-Russell Martin wrote:

> Weeny-exile recently wrote:
> >> I've been
> >> flamed personally before by said e, and I havn't exactly gone for therapy.
> >
> >I don't recall the thread. Would you mind refreshing my memory just for
> >the same of interest/trivia?
>
> You seem to forget alot, even about current threads. Like how you were
> getting bigheaded and I decided to be obnoxiously rude to you about it.
> (Yes, I can admit when I'm not nice.)

What makes you think I forgot this?

> If you're having trouble recalling... I think you claimed that one person
> left for every post you made and that you should go on a marathon and clean
> the list out.

Sorry about that. It was really wrong of me to say this.

> P.S. Your review of the new Enya, absurdly lengthy as it is, is fairly
> intellectually anemic.

We're reviewing reviews now? Okay, be intellectually bold about Enya in
25 words or fewer. That should be fun to see.

> It made me long for breviety and clarity.

If you wanted brevity and clarity, why did you even start reading my
message?

> And
> besides trying to intellectualize about music the way you do is pointless
> and boring. Who the fuck cares what you think about a particular "chord
> progression"?

People who care what I think about music (there *are* some) because
either they think I have smashing taste or they think I have rotten
taste. That's who. So I should not intellectualize and also not be
intellectually anemic? In fact I was not intellectualizing at all; I was
*describing* the record. There are, believe it or not, people here who
like to know what an album sounds like and how it is designed rather than
just whether or not it is pretty and whether or not you dig it and it
makes you weep for joy and wiggle your butt.

Is alt.angst closed for the holidays or something?


e

Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 02:29:57 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Re: e (was Re: new Enya?


PLEASE GET TO THE GOOD STUFF BELOW! (THERE IS ALSO A 4AD EASTER EGG HIDDEN
IN THE BODY OF THIS MESSAGE.) YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! 8-] <- I learn this
smiley by my book!

>> First of all, why does everyone defend weeny-exile? I've read his posts,
>> and I personally don't think that he stands in danger of winning a Pulitzer
>> for his writing ability or "sarcastic wit" or whatever you want to call it.
>> I think he's just some schmuck who tries REAL hard to be an inflammatory
>> asshole.
>
>and just what do you call repeated flaming of someone who you know is
>liked and respected on this list?

I'm sorry, I missed the section of the FAQ that says:
"Members of this list are forbidden to flame einexile because he is liked
and respected on the list. Recent surveys show that 75% of all listies
enjoy, nay, cherish every word which proceedeth forth from his almighty
keyboard."

By the way, I didn't call e an "inflammatory asshole", I said he failed at
his attempts. Nice how you cut my paragraph in half to suit your purposes.

>> Too bad he doesn't succeed everytime he wants to.
>
>He's obviously succeeded pretty well in inflaming you, pal.  Try
>switching to decaf.

No, e has not upset me. In fact I'm pretty amused at how many people jump
to his defense. And no one is saying "what you said in response to e is not
accurate or correct". Instead its more like "yes e is occasionally a dufus,
but he has had some great posts so please don't flame him"

Yes, I would rather talk about music also! (anyone else been listening to
Medicine, "Her Highness" lately?) <---D'oh! It's really an American
Recordings easter egg. But, please remember, I didn't make the arrogant
comment to begin with. And...I was only poking fun at him. (Yes, I realize
that e was joking) Last time I checked, it was okay to remind someone that
they are getting a big head. (Do YOU realize that I was also joking??)

Then he HAD to get the last word in by making fun of my "smiley" (the
aforementioned smiley, by the way, should have been a big hint about the
nature of my comments). He made that damn innuendo that I bought a book to
help me with my "smileys"! I worked LONG and HARD on that particular
EMOTICON! His insensitivity incensed me, and I had no other choice but to
flame him again. (P.S. just in case you don't get it, I am still only
JOKING)
>
>>(D'oh! The previous sentence ended in a preposition.)
>
>Actually, it ended in an elliptical infinitive.  Just so you know.
>-----
>wendy

And FURTHERMORE... I expect you to grade my essay and correct all
grammatical, punctuational, and spelling errors! (This is a joke too.)

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|  Liz or Russ       |   For all the things that I have seen and done        |
|  russellm@         |   and sung and said                                   |
|  xmission.com      |   And when my tears are dry, I hold my head up high   |
|                    |   and feel the rain"      -Rainy Season, Roddy Frame  |
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 02:05:48 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: New AREA???


On Sat, 16 Dec 1995, cz wrote:

>         e writes:
> >Area do O Come Emmanuel

>         Is this a new song by a new incarnation of AREA?

Yes!

> What is Area
> without Lynn Canfield?

Good, but not the M7x.

> Is this just Steve Jones (I think that is that the
> keyboard guy's name from Area?) with a new singer or are there others too?

>From the notes of the bad christmas album:

Kris Krasnowski - Vocals
Steve Jones - Keyboards
Mel Eberle - Bass

People tend to dog on Steve Jones and I don't know why. Fragments of the
Morning is the best Area I've heard. 7=49 is a lot beter, but let's not
give Henry Frayne too much credit; he did lift much of his guitar style
from The Chameleons. Steve Jones' keyboard twittering has always had an
uncommonly eerie feel to it. I should have mentioned that the keyboarding
is very nice on the Excelcis track. KK's voice reminds me of Moira
Lambert (what band was she in again?) but stylistically I can't place
her. The whole setup is really quite charming.

>         Inquiring minds want to know...  Do they have anything else out?

Maybe they are signed to Projekt, since Projekt had supposedly planned to
reissue their old releases. There is nothing else new out to my knowledge.

This reminds me: What happened to C'est La Mort?


 oi!nexile


Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 13:06:04 +0100
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: New Lush releases


Hi,

Yesterday I received three new Lush releases on CD:

'Single Girl - disc one'
BAD 6001 CD

'Single Girl - disc two'
BAD D 6001 CD

'Lovelife - Sampled'
LUSH 5 CD
Osbourne mix)

Cheerio,

Huite Rietveld


Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 08:56:21 -0500
From: wendy lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: e (was Re: new Enya?


On Sat, 16 Dec 1995, Russell Martin wrote:

> I'm sorry, I missed the section of the FAQ that says:
> "Members of this list are forbidden to flame einexile because he is liked
> and respected on the list. Recent surveys show that 75% of all listies
> enjoy, nay, cherish every word which proceedeth forth from his almighty
> keyboard."

I'm sorry, I missed the section of my post that says "you are forbidden
to flame einexile."  Defending your *right* to post is always so much easier
than defending the *content* of your post, isn't it?
>
> By the way, I didn't call e an "inflammatory asshole", I said he failed at
> his attempts. Nice how you cut my paragraph in half to suit your purposes.

I could have left your paragraph intact and it wouldn't have made any
difference.  You're attacking a straw man here.
>
> No, e has not upset me.

Guess that explains why you've felt the need to tell us over and over
again how much he bugs you...

> And no one is saying "what you said in response to e is not
> accurate or correct". Instead its more like "yes e is occasionally a dufus,
> but he has had some great posts so please don't flame him"

What you said in response to e is not accurate or correct.
>
> (Yes, I realize
> that e was joking) Last time I checked, it was okay to remind someone that
> they are getting a big head. (Do YOU realize that I was also joking??)

If you will expend all this energy on something that's just meant as
a joke, you've got far too much time on your hands.
-----
wendy

in your bunkbed you said i was bit by a snake so you sucked out the poison
but you left all of the pain you tasted my blood and you said it was too
sweet so you poured salt in the wound but it made you weep...   racecar

Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 08:35:08 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: New AREA???


I found the new incarnation of Area on Excelsis to be surprising and
exciting. It's definitely different than the Lynn Canfield variation; I
for one find it meatier. LC-Area had a terrifically spooky feel to it,
their music had real mystique. BUT (and the same goes for M7X), if you're
not in precisely the right frame of mind for it, it can seem dull and
somewhat directionless, like rough demos she never got back to. Even
Fragments of the Morning is an in-the-mood-for-it type of album. 7=49 was
a considerable step up for M7X (even though the first album was good),
but even this album had some loose moments, as well as the same major
irritation of the first album: numerous unlisted "bonus tracks"
consisting of little other than white noise, ephemera, Lynn goofing off
in her kitchen, etc., which appear to have no other point than to fill
out the CD to 75 minutes. Her music is often lovely, but why Lynn feels
we want to hear every little noise that takes place in her apartment is a
bit obscure. Once she gets over the sloppy self-indulgence, M7X will be a
great band.

The new Area with Kris is very different musically. They're playing tight
and professionally now, which may annoy fans of the early flighty stuff,
but I think the new band will find an audience.

So that's my 2

Martin


Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 07:08:48 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Inoue (Fax), LPD, Etienne


Thank you, all you rad people who stick up for me. You're the bestest.

I need to tell you bout some stuff...

Tetsu Inoue - Organic Cloud
---------------------------
I have often wondered at people who accuse Inoue of putting no music into
his work, creating something that is largely found sounds and ambience. I
do not agree with this at all. His music develops *very* slowly, but it
is music and you if you have the time it is even pretty.
  My initial reaction to Organic Cloud is that I don't have enough time.
Which is funny because I've listened to it several times in the three
days or so that I've had it. For those not in the know, this is one of
the more coveted Fax releases and I have had a bitch of a time finding
it. It may be too old to review or pointless since the disc is hard to
find, but Inoue puts out a lot of music. What I don't understand is why
this stuff is so loed, because it is fairly uneventful. Perhaps I am
spoiled, since I heard before this an album by the name of 62 Eulengasse,
Inoue with Pete Namlook, which is truly a monumental record.
  Organic Cloud, however, is more or less uneventful. It drifts through
quiet ambience with only the occasional uninteresting rhythm or only
somewhat interesting melody accompanying it. Perhaps it is that it
develops so slowly, but many of my favorite records are longer and
slower. My tentative conclusion is basically that this album is way
overhyped and severely inferior to 62 Eulengasse, Shades of Orion 2, and
the other Inoue work I've heard on Fax, to say nothing of other Fax
releases. (Chris Meloche's work comes to mind. There, I did say
something!)

Fax music continues to thrill me and I recommend it to everyone. The
first compilation on Instinct is a good place to start. My top ten this
year will probably be full of Fax: Modula Green, Solitaire, Chris
Meloche's _Wireless_ and _Recurring Dreams of the Urban Myth_, Otras 2.
Modula Green is essential; spooky, atmospheric ambient music that is way
up there with SAW2, Bytes, 76 14, Lovely Thunder, Lifeforms.


The Legendary Pink Dots - From Here You'll Watch the World Go By
----------------------------------------------------------------
Like I said yesterday, LPD always return to brilliance. They've been gone
for too long, though. I was worried.
  This may not really be fair to their last album, Nine Lives to Wonder,
which was actually quite good--but it wasn't great. This album is great,
though it may offend a few die hard fans. It is sometimes poppy and
contains guitar strumming, sensible drumming and songwriting that doesn't
dive into the depths of hell just for fun. The album, though often
experimental and weird, is executed professionally. And it does have its
very dark moments--none of the really brilliant CHORD PROGRESSIONS you
once could expect from Edward Kaspel, but still some fairly inspired
work. What's most refreshing is that the Dots seem to have climbed out of
a cycle where they were trapped into doing what had worked in the past,
and maybe what was expected of them. They have kind of let their hair
down, and as a result this album is pretty well on the light side. It is
nevertheless an LPD record and it is nevertheless on the great side. For
people who have been turned off by the Shadow Weaver albums and the
recent Edward solo offerings, this is a return to the intelligence of The
Maria Dimension and The Golden Age without repetition but rather some new
quirks and a refining of what was wasted on the Shadow Weavers into
useful style. It's so sad to see them put out brilliant albums and start
to gain some recognition, only to again and again ruin their chances by
putting out a slab of real nonsense. So if you are one who has given up
on the Dots, give em another chance. This is a mesmerizing, fun album.


Saint Etienne - He's on the Phone
---------------------------------
This is a RAD SONG! I don't care if they kind of stole part of it from the
Twin Peaks theme and it's got bangy house piano chords, it's really a
groovy, rocking track. It's pretty and it leads you all over the place. I
never know where the hell the song is going. You're not really meant to.
It's a fast, highly melodic and poppy ride--moreso even than Join Our
Club--comparable to Electronic's "Disappointed" (which some may not know I
consider a classic; can I stay on the list? :) ...anyway, the song is
worth the price of the disc if you'd like to have two good dance songs in
your life instead of just one.
  Unfortunately, you'll have to settle for the one song, because the rest
of the disc sucks. "Grovely Road" is a whining, stock ballad for a
seventies Neil Simon drama; it is NOT HIP and it is NOT ENDEARING. It is
tacky, depressing, and kind of sick in a way. Ian Catt and Sarah
Cracknell wrote it; isn't it time they left the band? "Is It True", aside
from missing the necessary question mark, is almost as bad as Grovely
Road but it is a cover. Or something. And as such it hasn't got that
entirely depressing flavor that only Cracknell can achieve--and I don't
belittle that, because it is valuable to some Etienne trax, but on
Grovely Road it's not depressing in a good way--it kinda makes you feel
shitty about life in general. Anyhow, "Is It True" only does this a
little. Which makes it a less interesting song, but just as lame. "The
Process" is (whew!) finally a Stanley/Wiggs composition. It's not much
more uplifting than Grovely Road but at least it isn't hopelessly
nostalgic. It is, however, not much use as a song. It's kind of
predictable and also rather awkward. There is a flute that repeats a
simple melody and becomes kind of irritating. Still, there is something
appealing about the song, and those who enjoyed "Hobart Paving" and other
evil songs of that sort may actually like it. Me, I don't.

Could someone please tell me about the remix disc if they have it? Also
the remixes for Hug Your Soul. I considered buying these but am rather
wary of remix discs these days.

Sorry to be slothlike. I'm kinda tired, not to mention kind of on my
guard for obvious reasons.


 e, who finally saw the good the bad and the ugly and was blown away, wow

Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:22:56 -0500
From: varoom! (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: espaņol/Steve tries to unsvb


>No te preocupes concerniente tu ingles.  Me imagino que sos un capo, a
>causa de tus opiniones buenos de la musica de 4AD.
>
>Donde vivis? En Baires? O otra parte?
>
>Yo vivi en varias partes de Argentina (Cordoba, Santiago del Estero, Salta,
>Mendoza) en los anos 86 & 87.
>
>Me imagino que hay otros en esta lista que tambien hablan espanol.  Quizas
>hagamos una lista de 4AD para hispanohablantes! (ja ja ja)

Now, I'm the furthest thing from being one of those English-only freaks (in
fact, if everyone spoke English, I'd be out of a job), but this really is
the sort of thing that is best done by private e-mail...oh, and it's "*u*
otra parte", BTW

>Please send no more mail thanks
>-Steve

Oh no. You're not getting off the list that easily...

L

Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 09:25:54 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: New AREA???


> out the CD to 75 minutes. Her music is often lovely, but why Lynn feels
> we want to hear every little noise that takes place in her apartment is a
> bit obscure. Once she gets over the sloppy self-indulgence, M7X will be a
> great band.

Hey, I really like the "out-takes".  It fits the m7x style perfectly.  Have
you never recieved anything in the mail from them?  They always send litte
trinkets and all sorts of goodies which IMO make me feel that I have a
personal connection with the band.  (Even though I'm 800 miles away from
Champagne, IL and have never had the pleasure of seeing them live)

"Sloppy self-indulgence?"  I think those ramblings provides a unique insight
to Lynn and the other band members which is quite rare for bands.  That's also
what I like so much about Amy Denio.  She's very personable.

Anyway, I thoroughly enjoy both m7x Cds and Area's Fragments...  Fragments...
is a great CD to listen to early on a warm Saturday morning with the sun
streaming in.  Too bad it's foggy and warm and disgusting this morning in
Houston.



marvynHortman                    ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us


Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:55:48 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: one less liliput in the world


I sympathize with your loss... as I myself have one and would hate to loose
it to something especially theft or some sort of natural disaster.

I'd like to help out in any way I can with your insurance agent.  If it would
help to have written 'estimates' of value signed by those who do collect
them, then maybe the insurance agency would be willing to pay fair market
value.  Either that or look through Goldmine magazine, usually every month or
2 you can find a Lilliput advertised for sale...maybe they would accept that
ad then as proof of value.

As far as pelacement goes, I'd like to help you out there too.  As far as I
know (and I've combed the country to help my friend find one!) your best bet
is is a place that often advertises in Goldmine called Southland CD.  They
were recently advertising one for sale at $75, but sold it before the ad even
hit.  They have a waiting list of names for those who want to get a Lilliput,
and last week I put my friends name on it and she was #3.  So I think that
might be your best bet (taking into acount that some people on that list
might be unprepared to buy one once their name comes up).

Contact Southland CD at:
P.O. Box 3005
Redondo Beach, California
90277-1005
310.379.6300 (phone M-F 12-6pm Pacific time)
310.379.3055 (fax)

or you might also have some luck trying Arcana book stores who had almost 10
of the little devils when "This Rimy River" was released...but sold every one
of them in a week when Vaughan had a signing there.

The address and # escape me for the moment...it has been posted on the list
before, so if you really need it, either ask for it on the listserve, or
e-mail me back and I shall rummage for it.  But it is also there in
California.

Hope all of this helps you in some way.

By the way, I'm sure the CD's are still good right???  If you get a
replacement,and want to get rid of the extra CD's let me know!

-Blue
blubelknol@aol.com
"Know who you are at every age" -CT

Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 11:03:57 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: SNOW Has Been Re-Released


Please pardon me if this is redundant information; I have been deleting
much mail recently without first reading it.

I discovered yesterday at HMV Records that Capitol & Fontana are now
packaging Twinlights and Otherness WITH copies of Snow (featuring
"Frosty the Snowman" and "Winter Wonderland").  There are two separate
CD's, but they're packaged together in one plastic wrapper.

Actually, this may be something that HMV is doing of their own accord,
but I'm not sure.  The 2-CD sets are selling for $9.99.


Michael
iceblink@delphi.com

Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 16:39:39 +0000
From: Graeme Delap (graeme@GRIEVES.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: "Chains Changed"


"House Tornado", the best Muses record.


You think so?

Hey, can anyone tell me what's latest on the Muses.......?

Cheers.....

g


Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 00:05:48 EDT
From: Steve Kafasis (Steve_Kafasis@WALNUT.PRS.K12.NJ.US)
Subject: Re: disclaimers


Send no more mail thanks
-Steve Kafasis

-----Princeton Regional Schools takes no responsibility for the
    accuracy or content of the above message.

Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 23:50:10 EDT
From: Steve Kafasis (Steve_Kafasis@WALNUT.PRS.K12.NJ.US)
Subject: Re: Info on Empire Records NYC wanted!!!


Please send anymore mail thanks alot
-Steve Kafasis

-----Princeton Regional Schools takes no responsibility for the
    accuracy or content of the above message.

Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 11:24:09 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: e (was Re: new Enya?


>I'm sorry, I missed the section of the FAQ that says:
>"Members of this list are forbidden to flame einexile because he is liked
>and respected on the list. Recent surveys show that 75% of all listies
>enjoy, nay, cherish every word which proceedeth forth from his almighty
>keyboard."
>
and i missed the section that says other members can't defend him ;)

BiZ


Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 12:55:03 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Re: New Lush releases


>Hi,
>
>Yesterday I received three new Lush releases on CD:

Cool. Where did you get these? Were they purchases, or promos?

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|                    |  "When the rainly season comes I hang my head         |
|  Liz or Russ       |   For all the things that I have seen and done        |
|  russellm@         |   and sung and said                                   |
|  xmission.com      |   And when my tears are dry, I hold my head up high   |
|                    |   and feel the rain"      -Rainy Season, Roddy Frame  |
 ==================== =======================================================


Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 12:55:07 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Re: e (was Re: new Enya?


IF YOU'RE SICK OF READING THE TRITE ARGUMENT BETWEEN ME AND WENDY, DO NO GO
ANY FURTHER.
>> I'm sorry, I missed the section of the FAQ that says:
>> "Members of this list are forbidden to flame einexile because he is liked
>> and respected on the list. Recent surveys show that 75% of all listies
>> enjoy, nay, cherish every word which proceedeth forth from his almighty
>> keyboard."
>
>I'm sorry, I missed the section of my post that says "you are forbidden
>to flame einexile."  Defending your *right* to post is always so much easier
>than defending the *content* of your post, isn't it?

Hello! McFly? You said that repeated flaming of someone who is liked and
respected on the list makes me an asshole. (See below.)

>> I think he's just some schmuck who tries REAL hard to be an inflammatory
>> asshole.
>
>and just what do you call repeated flaming of someone who you know is
>liked and respected on this list?

Are you now trying to say that you weren't implying that I shouldn't keep
flaming him, and that I should not have flamed him in the first place? Or,
were you just trying to make sure that I understood that I was an asshole
too, without trying to tell me that I shouldn't have flamed him?

I think that the implication of what you were saying is clear, and what I
said in response is totally appropriate. If you don't see the connection
between what I have written and what you said (shrugs shoulders here)...
then let's just stop this discussion now.

>> By the way, I didn't call e an "inflammatory asshole", I said he failed at
>> his attempts. Nice how you cut my paragraph in half to suit your purposes.
>
>I could have left your paragraph intact and it wouldn't have made any
>difference.  You're attacking a straw man here.

Hello. Buhler. Buhler? Attacking? Did I not try to convey THROUGHOUT THE
ENTIRE POST THAT YOU ARE RESPONDING TO that I was only writing any of the
previous messages for fun. Don't you get it? My statement about how e fails
to be an inflammatory asshole even though he tries, is a humurous attempt
to respond to him saying that my "smiley" was got from a book. (I realize
that he was joking about my smiley, why don't YOU realize that? And please
try to realize that my response was meant to be humorous as well.) If
you're having a hard time understanding this, please leave any further
posts off of the list and just insult me personally okay?

>> No, e has not upset me.
>
>Guess that explains why you've felt the need to tell us over and over
>again how much he bugs you...

Oh, please!!! Now, who needs to switch to decaf? How many times exactly did
I say that e bothers me. I said I think alot of his posts are shit.
(Several people that defended him basically agreed with this.) But, did I
ever say once that he bothers me? I said that he fails to bother me. That
he fails at his attempts to be an innflammatory asshole. (This is getting
really redundant.) I geuss the only way you would ever be happy is if I let
e have the last jab.

>> And no one is saying "what you said in response to e is not
>> accurate or correct". Instead its more like "yes e is occasionally a dufus,
>> but he has had some great posts so please don't flame him"
>
>What you said in response to e is not accurate or correct.

Gee, isn't that nice how you thought to include that now? Thank you for
finally admitting that I have a point about this issue. Too bad you didn't
start with that line of reasoning, this whole over bloated and pointless
thread might have had a bit more relevance.

>> (Yes, I realize
>> that e was joking) Last time I checked, it was okay to remind someone that
>> they are getting a big head. (Do YOU realize that I was also joking??)
>
>If you will expend all this energy on something that's just meant as
>a joke, you've got far too much time on your hands.

I'm sorry, but I refuse to start a new argument about whether you're not
liking what I have posted to the list, and you're inability to comprehend
that someone could give e back the same type of humor that he likes to give
to others constitutes my having too much time on my hands. Therefore, I
will not respond to you publicly on this anymore. (You can have the last
word if you must.)

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|                    |  "When the rainly season comes I hang my head         |
|  Liz or Russ       |   For all the things that I have seen and done        |
|  russellm@         |   and sung and said                                   |
|  xmission.com      |   And when my tears are dry, I hold my head up high   |
|                    |   and feel the rain"      -Rainy Season, Roddy Frame  |
 ==================== =======================================================


Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 14:05:50 -0800
From: snowangel (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: e (was Re: new Enya?


  oh just get the fuck over it already...all of you....



  k

  ...single, again...

Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:30:12 -0500
From: wendy lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: NOT Re: e (was Re: new Enya?


having received the famous "i'm flaming you publicly but if you
want to flame me do it privately," i am going to disappoint the one
or two people who might have actually looked forward to the continuation
of this truly ridiculous thread.

ObMusic Related Question:  anyone know what happened to the dreampop
& MBV lists?
-----
wendy

in your bunkbed you said i was bit by a snake so you sucked out the poison
but you left all of the pain you tasted my blood and you said it was too
sweet so you poured salt in the wound but it made you weep...   racecar

Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 14:10:50 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: famous nazis on 4ad-l (NO MUSIQUE CONTENT)


****Please do not read if you are looking for 4AD content. None.

>
>remember what you imply when you call someone a NAZI.  this is not some
>catch-all term that applies to someone who might be considered fascist,
>staunchly opionated, closeminded, whatever thing you are trying say about
>them.  if you say NAZI, you imply a fascist, a murderer, among other things.
>whatever the case, this is not a light term.  i realize that most people get
>the picture when stuff like this is said, but remember that not everyone does.
>what if BiZ were a native german?  or a Jewish person?  or any other person
>that might take extreme offense to this term?

Actually, I got the idea from the show "Seinfeld" (American) wherein they
encounter problems with a soup store owner who is belligerent and mean.
They go on to deem him the 'soup-nazi'.The star of the show is *Jewish* as
are most of the cast members. And, although the show does not focus on
being *jewish*, the idea is apparent. I realize that, given everything
mentioned, "Seinfeld" has not been elected the Jewish spokesman but I think
that I, as well as others, are very aware of what 'nazi' implies.
Especially given the current wave of hatemongers hear in the US as well as
in Europe. AS a person of color, I am always conscious of where I can and
cannot go in this great big place. Now, I disagree with *not* using the
word or, with treading lightly when the issue comes up. I firmly believe
that by re-appropriating the word, the victim is empowered. Such is the
case with the term "black" within the afro-american culture or the term
"queer" within the gay community (at least here in the San Francisco Bay
Area). Silence=Death. This is, perhaps, IMO, one of the dangers of the PC
wave. It censors the dialogue between oposing views for fear that one may
punished by a small group of people or, in some cases, masses.

>>
>sorry to preach.  i'm not trying to be PC (god forbid), i'm just asking
>for people to think about what you are saying.

I respect your opinion but, we've all had our share of oppresion,
exploitation, and so on. No one group has the market cornered. Do not read
this as sarcastic. I am simply expressing my opinion and a different light
on the subject.




El


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"She's got my mental health in a vice grip"
                                               --Tom Waits
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 22:53:38 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: e (was Re: new Enya?


Just a quick note: if people are going to make jokes, they should
either be:

a) funny, or
b) clearly labled as such,

just so no one gets the wrong idea.

Yours,
Paul


Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 18:13:48 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: I'm a Nazi moron inquiring about promos!


How do I go about recieving Promos, Postcards, whatever from 4ad? Also
when do the catalogues come out? I sent money to 4ad in July and they
cashed the check in August. Have I been jipped? Oh btw, I'm glad to see
everyone flaming "E" instead of me, Better you than me buckaroo! HA!

                              Brian (the only one not flaming)

Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:19:15 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Paul's anti-Flamage suggestion.


>Just a quick note: if people are going to make jokes, they should
>either be:
>
>a) funny, or
>b) clearly labled as such,
>
>just so no one gets the wrong idea.
>
>Yours,
>Paul

After all the flack I've taken for mine, I will definitely label any
sarcastic or joking comments with a disclaimer in the future. (I thought my
smiley was adequate but, now I know better!)

As for making sure they are funny...(I think you get the idea.)

 ==================== =======================================================
|                    |  "When the rainly season comes I hang my head         |
|  Liz or Russ       |   For all the things that I have seen and done        |
|  russellm@         |   and sung and said                                   |
|  xmission.com      |   And when my tears are dry, I hold my head up high   |
|                    |   and feel the rain"      -Rainy Season, Roddy Frame  |
 ==================== =======================================================


Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 18:45:47 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Alan Moulder


Alan Moulder has worked on the following cds I own and know what, they
all rule:

Lush- Split
My Bloody Valantine- Loveless
Smashing Pumpkins- Mellon Collie......

Anyone have any Alan Moulder suggestions? I think he worked on a couple
of Ride's first two albums, not sure though.................

                                    Brian
                              (Place Sig Here)

Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 18:29:36 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Cibo Matto www Address/coctoes-coctous-cocteaus,

              I think the last one is right!

(one more thing)
I lost the address of the person who asked for the address of the home
page for Cibo Matto, so here it is:

Error records at.....



Oh, and none of you can flame me for not being thislisty 'cause no one
has heard their record yet! Nyah nyah

well there is one soundbyte that you can download but it's Aiff. So if
anyone can play it let me know.

Oh, and it is the Coctaus (I can never spell their name right) who did
those christmas songs I heard. How pretty they were: )

Wow, two posts from me and no flamage, I am such a sweety.


                            Merry Christmas!
                                  Brian

Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 21:59:25 -0500
From: JEHEINDL@AMHERST.EDU
Subject: Re: I'm a Nazi moron inquiring about promos!


Jason Eugene's guide to receiving promo:

1) become a Music Director at your radio station

2) make some phone calls


1) pretend your a Music Director at a your radio station

2) make some phone calls to LA.

enjoy

Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 19:38:21 -0800
From: Rocky Colavito (brettg@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Cibo Matto www Address/coctoes-coctous-cocteaus,

              I think the last one is right!

> Error records at.....
>
> http://www.st.rim.or.jp/~kentar/Errorindex-e.html
>
>
> Oh, and none of you can flame me for not being thislisty 'cause no one
> has heard their record yet! Nyah nyah

Yeah, but I saw them play live in Boulder,CO when they were the opening act
for Boss Hog. CM were ok. They have a song that has been a huge hit on
KCRW (public radio in LA). They even were using it to get donations
during the pledge week. So yes people have heard some of their stuff.

Oh and speaking of web pages can someone give me the newest one for
eyesore, I seem to have an old one that does not work.


Brett


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