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Subject: query on remixes for perusal (fwd)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 18:50:17 -0500
From: Christina Johnson (br713@freenet.carleton.ca)
Subject: Re: Scott and Mary/Long Fin Killie discog.
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 23:55:16 -0500
From: susan@ACS.BU.EDU
Subject: Re: "wrong" opinions/Lush Imports =: +
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 23:30:38 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: fsa
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 00:07:08 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Cocteau Twins on Baywatch
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 00:08:45 EST
From: "Matthew A. Neimark" (mattn@MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 7 Dec 1995 to 8 Dec 1995
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 16:06:18 EST
From: "Matthew A. Neimark" (mattn@MIT.EDU)
Subject: mai pen Rai
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 19:11:46 -0500
From: "bcrayon@en.com" (bcrayon@EN.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 7 Dec 1995 to 8 Dec 1995
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 16:10:35 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Bauhaus or Joy Division?
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:35:38 +0100
From: snailhead (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: Muses
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:39:00 +0100
From: snailhead (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: Long Fin Killie discog
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 10:47:48 -0800
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: And Also the Trees/Bel Cant
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:31:57 GMT
From: "FOLKERD-HOBBS JAKE ()" (FJ333@GREENWICH.AC.UK)
Subject: new Brit bands/where are they now?
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 07:06:58 -0500
From: 3-D silence (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: dcd
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 12:29:38 GMT
From: "FOLKERD-HOBBS JAKE ()" (FJ333@GREENWICH.AC.UK)
Subject: ARGH!! :(
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 04:55:22 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: new Brit bands/where are they now?
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 12:57:26 GMT
From: "R.E. BAGLEY" (HIS5REB@ARTS-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: (idm) chapterhouse, idm related?
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 14:54:12 -0600 (CST)
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: new Brit bands/where are they now?
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:05:10 GMT
From: "FOLKERD-HOBBS JAKE ()" (FJ333@GREENWICH.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: (idm) chapterhouse, idm related?
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:56:46 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: (idm) chapterhouse, idm related?
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 15:26:19 GMT
From: "FOLKERD-HOBBS JAKE ()" (FJ333@GREENWICH.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: fsa
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 09:20:53 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: ARGH!! :(
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 09:42:10 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Re: dcd
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 07:54:50 -0800
From: Doraemon (zorg@ALOIS.ICON.PALO-ALTO.MED.VA.GOV)
Subject: Re: ARGH!! :(
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 10:20:38 -0800
From: Elvia Maree Tarango (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: ARGH!!
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 14:41:29 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: ARGH!! :(
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:38:09 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Slowdive-ish bands
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 14:34:56 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: "wrong" opinions/Lush Imports =: +
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 14:11:33 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: re:new signing
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 95 22:26:29 +0100
From: Charlotte Steinmark (char@coco.ihi.ku.dk)
Subject: Ooh, a grudge match!
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 14:56:12 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: (idm) chapterhouse, idm related? (fwd)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 17:13:15 -0600
From: Sung Shim (foss@WWA.COM)
Subject: Scheer/Echobelly, general musical stuff
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:47:06 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Lush Live! 125 recordings
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:35:18 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: hisnameisaliveLIVE
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 21:36:22 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: twinlights lyrics please...
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 20:07:17 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)

Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 18:50:17 -0500
From: Christina Johnson (br713@freenet.carleton.ca)
Subject: query on remixes for perusal (fwd)


    ================= Begin forwarded message =================

    From: WBYERS@indiana.edu (william byers)
    To: cranes@busop.cit.wayne.edu ("Living and Breathing")
    Subject: query on remixes for perusal
    Date: Wed, 13 Dec



    i've got some questions about the Jewel remixes...
    i have read that they are fans of Foetus; so the
    Thirlwell remix is expected, they toured with the Cure,
    so, the Robert Smith one is expected as well. However,
    where does Ivo Watts-Russell enter the picture? i know
    he is the main man behind 4AD records, so is he a fan, a
    friend, someone who was looking to sign them in the early
    days, what?! also, how were the remixes received by the
    band themselves, they obviously liked them or they wouldnt
    of had them released, but... yeah. any thoughts of any
    possible remixes in the future? i am thinking perchance
    Brad Laner of Medicine, Robin Guthrie (Cocteau Twins),
    Mark Clifford (Seefeel) and many others would do some
    interesting takes on the material...especially some more
    ambient-like schtuff. who knows, i am not to say!?
    just some thoughts... thanks...............!
    heath
    wbyers@indiana.edu





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                          | Christine, the strawberry girl   "Christine"
    Christina Johnson     | Christine, banana split lady      [Siouxsie
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                          | Christine, sees her faces unfurl  Banshees]

Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 23:55:16 -0500
From: susan@ACS.BU.EDU
Subject: Re: Scott and Mary/Long Fin Killie discog.

              "Srilank@AOL.COM" at Dec 8, 95 09:30:21 pm

> ps-someone inquired about a Long Fin Killie discog., and here's what I have
> which may or may not be complete--
>
> Hollywood Gem {cds/7"} (Too Pure 44)
> Houdini {lp} (Too Pure 47)
> Head of Dead Surfers/Flower Carrier (Pruned Version) {7"} pt. 1/3
> Rhino/Homo Erectus {7"} pt. 2/3
> Vanilla/Love Smothers Allergy {7"} pt. 3/3

there's also the lamberton lamplighter ep, which came first and is quite good,
though perhaps not as great as houdini.

and for complete completists, there's a medicine/lfk promo that was being
given away at shows with a few tracks from both. (album versions)

btw, who the hell had the idea for these 7"s? do they really think we're
gullible/pathetic enough to shell out $12 for 3 7"s with one album and one
exclusive track on each? i'm certainly not going to buy into it, much as i
love too pure. (uk)

Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 23:30:38 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: "wrong" opinions/Lush Imports =: +


>>few things bother me more than self-appointed monitors of
>>good taste who tell people that their opinions about music
>>are wrong.  just because someone has a different opinion
>>than you does not make them wrong _or_ lazy.

just thought i'd comment on this one, b/c you're slagging this guy for
expressing his opinion.  kind of funny, eh?  don't take everything so
seriously.  not everything people say on this list is completely serious.
(do you want us to put a smiley after every sarcastic/joking remark?)  calm
down.

Brian wrote:

>God bless you sir, I agree.
>
just wanted to make it clear that i flamed you for the degrading language
you used to state your opinion, not your actual opinion.  it's fine if you
say you're sexually attracted to miki, but it's crude and disrespectful to
say "i'd do her."

>Hey, there are some 125 Lush imports and I've only found three. Where
>can I find the rest? For all 5 people who DIDN"T add me to their kill
>file please help.

do you mean bootlegs?  or anything that hasn't been released in the us?

well, that's all,

BiZ

put your finger in your eye


Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 00:07:08 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: fsa


hey, i just noticed that "in the light of time" from further uses the same
guitar line as "wish" from fsa.  do they do this with other stuff, too?

later,

BiZ

"you say love, and it sounds so good."
        -slowdive "blue skied an' clear"


Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 00:08:45 EST
From: "Matthew A. Neimark" (mattn@MIT.EDU)
Subject: Cocteau Twins on Baywatch


>anyhow, the song in question I believe is "Sigh's Smell of Farewell".
>I can't remember exactly which lp (if it even ever appeared on one at
>all) it's on at the moment as I have Treasure lent out at the moment,
>but it does appear on the "Love's Easy Tears" cd single.

I searched desperately at the end of the show for the credits but failed
to see them.  Isn't the song simply gorgeous?

Matt

Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 16:06:18 EST
From: "Matthew A. Neimark" (mattn@MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 7 Dec 1995 to 8 Dec 1995

              <199512090505.AAA102827@atlanta.american.edu>

>                                Brian
>
>>P.S. Sell-out or not......I'd do 'er.  And with a few drinks the rest
>>of the band too. Probably.

 wrote
>what is this childish drivel?  god, the list has really gone downhill the
>last few days, and posts like this really do nothing to drag it out of the
>muck.  the main point of this list is to discuss music, not who you'd like
>to fuck.  i'm serious.  what were you thinking when you posted this?  and
>why did you feel like you needed to share it with 400 plus people?  if this
>is intended to generate some sort of discussion, it's only gonna be flames
>kiddo.

Ok.  Not to start a flame war, but I think the "look" of Miki is part
of the music or at least the total aesthetic package of the band.  It
is at least as pertinent to discuss our being attracted to Miki as it
is to discuss the artwork of Vaughn Oliver, or the fact that Miki's
mother was in a James Bond movie.  Besides this is the 4AD list, not
the 4AD music list perse.  Do music magazines (or fanzines) just discuss
the music?

Perhaps it is the wording of the message that distresses you but it is
important to say so.  Personally thought, I find nothing wrong with
saying that I am attracted to Miki.

Matt

Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 19:11:46 -0500
From: "bcrayon@en.com" (bcrayon@EN.COM)
Subject: mai pen Rai


I'm clearing out a mess of cds that I've got and was wondering if anybody
is interested in buying my copy of the 4ad/independent project packaging sampler
from 92 called mai Pen Rai.  it's in excellent shape.  If interested email me
with a bid.

Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 16:10:35 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 7 Dec 1995 to 8 Dec 1995


>>                                Brian
>>
>>>P.S. Sell-out or not......I'd do 'er.  And with a few drinks the rest
>>>of the band too. Probably.
>
> wrote
>>what is this childish drivel?  god, the list has really gone downhill the

>Perhaps it is the wording of the message that distresses you but it is
>important to say so.  Personally thought, I find nothing wrong with
>saying that I am attracted to Miki.

um. . .yeah.  "i'd do her." has got to be one of the most disgusting,
dehumanizing ways to express an attraction i've ever heard.  then again, if
you refer to women as "broads," you might not understand what i'm saying.

i thought your message was fine and appropriate, matt, but the phrase
"i'd do her" is too infantile and degrading to be seen on this mailing list.
you have to remember that brian also tried to "start" a penis-size thread a
couple of weeks ago.  god, i thought there were newsgroups for shit like
that.

BiZ


Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:35:38 +0100
From: snailhead (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: Bauhaus or Joy Division?


New Order :)

 _____________________________________________________________________________

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:39:00 +0100
From: snailhead (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: Muses


On Mon, 11 Dec 1995, 'H'y wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would just to say that the Muses version of Amazing Grace on one of
> their singles is better than on the Holy Single. It builds more and more
> and just when you think its going to stop it carries on.

I couldn't agree more and I would say the same for 'sinkhole' The version
on the muses 1985 demo is WAY better than the one on holy single

 _____________________________________________________________________________


Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 10:47:48 -0800
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Long Fin Killie discog


> Re: Scott and Mary/Long Fin Killie discog.
>
> susan@ACS.BU.EDU
> Wed, 13 Dec 1995 23:55:16 -0500
>
> > ps-someone inquired about a Long Fin Killie discog., and here's what
> > I have which may or may not be complete--
> >
> > Hollywood Gem {cds/7"} (Too Pure 44)
> > Houdini {lp} (Too Pure 47)
> > Head of Dead Surfers/Flower Carrier (Pruned Version) {7"} pt. 1/3
> > Rhino/Homo Erectus {7"} pt. 2/3
> > Vanilla/Love Smothers Allergy {7"} pt. 3/3
>
> there's also the lamberton lamplighter ep, which came first and is
> quite good, though perhaps not as great as houdini.
>
> and for complete completists, there's a medicine/lfk promo that was
> being given away at shows with a few tracks from both. (album versions)

for completely complete completists they also had a track on the 'camden
crawl' compilation cd published on 'love train records' recently although i
don't think it's an exclusive track ('heads of dead surfers' sounds
familiar, i have nothing else by the band at all).

--
andyx (a.dean@uk22p.bull.co.uk)
who has to miss luna play with the mo-javes in london on saturday (the garage
if anybody's interested) because he's going home for christmas - humbug.

last night's luna radio session was ok, he fluffed the words to indian summer
pretty badly though - 'touch girl, apple blossom. croquet and baked alaskas'
i ask you.

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:31:57 GMT
From: "FOLKERD-HOBBS JAKE ()" (FJ333@GREENWICH.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: And Also the Trees/Bel Cant


The trees have just completed recording of the album. I've heard some
demo tapes, and Justin has written some top tunes, with quality
trumpet blowing from the boy William ('Will' to his chums).

They've just signed a new record deal, the name of the label escapes me for the
moment; *beloved*?
No plans of touring just yet, but will no doubt at least play Europe
esp. France.
America? Who knows, a short promotional tour perhaps.

The Loafer.



Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 07:06:58 -0500
From: 3-D silence (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: new Brit bands/where are they now?


>p.s. by the way, what do you think about them and the batch of new
>british bands out there such as powder, cast, coast, and northern uproar?

Well, if they sound as bad as they look (and they do seem to be turning out
some seriously ugly, desperately unstylish bands there these days), then I
don't think much of them. Considering that music in Britain is at an
all-time low as it is, where your influences and your ability to recreate
faithfully a given style from the past without the slightest originality is
all that counts (along with where and with whom you do your drinking), it
shouldn't be that hard to be at least *slightly* challenging and different,
but that's not what people seem to be looking for.

e asked what the deal was with (among others):
>Dean Garcia

According to Toni Halliday, he's noodling on his Moog a lot these days,
coming up something semi-ambient

>Andrew Eldritch

Tried to fire himself from the Sisters in order to get out of his record
contract, although the label said it wouldn't work legally. Things must be
pretty bad.

>Bud

Either got shelved when Toni started Scylla, or Bud became Scylla

>Richard Ashcroft

Now working as a swimming-pool attendant in Rhyl, Wales

>Guy Chadwick

I don't know either. His new band, The Madonnas, doesn't seem to have gotten
off the ground. It shouldn't be that hard for him to get signed somewhere
(but going back to Creation might not be such a good idea, I think)

L

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 12:29:38 GMT
From: "FOLKERD-HOBBS JAKE ()" (FJ333@GREENWICH.AC.UK)
Subject: dcd


Salutations from over the pond. Minority vs majority.

Firstly may I apologise for any breaking of message construction
conventions, for I am new to this game. Besides isn't it what you
say, rather than how you say it. Indeed.

To the matter at hand.
Does anyone know the name of the film(s) that Dead Can Dance provided
the soundtrack to?
Is the film or just the soundtrack available to buy?

Also one person on this list has already mentioned them, but to all
those who have not checked them out yet, a tip:
'and also the trees' you will not be disappointed; I hope.
A good place to start is 'Green is the Sea' esp. the track 'the fruit
room'.
However if you like your music a tad Cure-ish (what a great
descriptive word) then head for the earlier material i.e. Virus
Meadow.
The band are not on 4AD but I feel would appeal to those who like
that kinda thing.
By all means drop us a line to tell me they are pants (a jovial term
proposing the notion of dislike).
But be prepared for a relentless barrage if you do.

Britpop.
Shite (rhymes with 'flight' in case your wondering) expression but
some semi-decent acts.
I would be interested to see how the idea is being pushed in the US.
I saw an advert in a comic book (the invisibles) and it looked
decidedly shifty, with a big union jack flag and peddled like some
invasion.
Corperate record labels- don't you just love'em. Cynic. Me?

Aimless writing abound. Time to go.

"Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day"

Ta-ta

The Loafer.



Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 04:55:22 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: ARGH!! :(


On Thu, 14 Dec 1995, L-Soft list server at AMERICAN.EDU (1.8b) wrote:

> Your message dated  Thu, 14 Dec 1995 04:42:26 -0800  (PST) with subject "Re:
> (idm) chapterhouse, idm related? (fwd)" has been successfully distributed to
> the 4AD-L list (398 recipients).
                  ^^^
Anyone notice that one person leaves for every message I post to this
list? Maybe I should do a marathon sometime and see if I can't empty out
the whole lot of you!


 einexile, charter member of the Undead Prosaics Army

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 12:57:26 GMT
From: "R.E. BAGLEY" (HIS5REB@ARTS-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: new Brit bands/where are they now?


> > by the way, what do you think about them and the batch of new
> >british bands out there such as powder, cast, coast, and northern uproar?
>
> Well, if they sound as bad as they look (and they do seem to be turning out
> some seriously ugly, desperately unstylish bands there these days), then I
> don't think much of them.

Bollocks to that.  Cast are pretty good and excellent live.
Admittedly it could be argued their style is 'unoriginal', but then
if their music is good, and enjoyed by some what's wrong with it?  I
often remove one of my proper relevant-to-this-list 4ad CDs out of
the player and listen to the Cast album.

Rasputin.
---------------------------------------------------
"You may break my body, you may strangle my soul,
but my will to live will remain"
---------------------------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 04:42:26 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: (idm) chapterhouse, idm related? (fwd)


I thought some on this list might be interested to know that Global
Communication are even more full of shit than we thouht they might be.

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 14:54:12 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: (idm) chapterhouse, idm related?


On Wed, 13 Dec 1995,  Jason W. King wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Dec 1995, einexile the meek wrote:
> > While I'm here, can someone please tell me what happened to Chapterhouse?
> > Thanks.
>
> The only thing i ever heard from Chapterhouse (several years back), sounded
> a lot like oasis and stone roses type stuff.  Have they done something
> that idm'ers might be interested?  Just curious.
>

Chapterhouse was one of the semi-dream pop/post My Bloody Valentine bands
that were momentarily big 2-3 years ago.  Otheres in this genre-let were
bands like Moose, Swervedriver, the Lilys, the Swirlies etc.

They were nothing to write home about IDM-wise.  Global Communication have
gone on record as having hated Chapterhouse.  The blood music remixes were
based on just shreds of the original music.

More germane pop acts are (of course) early Depeche Mode, Erasure, New
Order, Human League, etc, etc.  Some of the industrial dance stuff (the
things that aren't so charred flesh and gristle oriented) like Nitzer Ebb
has it's tasy moments as well.


Kent Williams kent@inav.net (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219
(work) (319) 626 3489 (fax)

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:05:10 GMT
From: "FOLKERD-HOBBS JAKE ()" (FJ333@GREENWICH.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: new Brit bands/where are they now?


Perhaps not truly relevant to this list, but still needs to be said.

Music in the UK is doing fine. With a quickly growing underground
movement in a style solely cultivated in the UK, known most commonly
as 'Jungle' as in 'inner city jungle'; that will no doubt wash onto
the shores of the US and is already having an influence on some
american artists.
There are also bands which are perhaps more related to these
lists, (music is global and all forms are relevant and provide
influences to many people, so I regret this need to relate) that are
consistantly releasing innovitive, and more importantly top tunes,
that many would enjoy but cannot because of what large record
companies deem to be financially viable.

Yes that old cynical chestnut again. I am aware that there are record
companies with honourable intentions but there are business's
nevertheless, and are small fish in a large ocean.

BLINKERED VIEW ALERT:
Besides, Oasis. Serious business.

Remember you only hear the records from other countries that
companies choose to provide. They are *perhaps* not reflective of
what's actually occuring.
I really have a thing about record companies don't I? Well they
killed my brother, and now it's personal.

Rant over.

Does anybody actually read every message on this and other lists?
If you do, I am not worthy.

Ta-ta.

The Loafer.



Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:56:46 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: (idm) chapterhouse, idm related?

              meek" at Dec 14, 95 04:42:26 am

einexile the meek  wrote:
 >
 > I thought some on this list might be interested to know that
 > Global Communication are even more full of shit than we thouht
 > they might be.
 >
 [Snip - someone else says:] They were nothing to write home
 > about IDM-wise.  Global Communication have gone on record as
 > having hated Chapterhouse.  The blood music remixes were based
 > on just shreds of the original music.

Full of shit?  einexile doesn't seem to be his usual cheerful and
even-tempered self today!  Actually, the Chapterhouse/GC link-up was
pretty obviously done at the request of the record company (Dedicated),
as was the remix Spiritualized did of a GC track.  That doesn't
necessarily mean the results aren't worth listening to - I like the
Spiritualized remix of "Maiden Voyage", I'm less keen on "Blood
Music".  The Bandulu and Reload remixes of Slowdive were pretty
obviously a result of Creation's (then) link with Infonet, to which
both the techno acts were signed.  Mike Paradinas (Mu-Ziq) apparently
hated the Auteurs, and though I don't like the album much, many people
think the remixes he did of their stuff are the bee's knees.  On the
other hand, Richard James's views on indie pop are probably too well
known to repeat, and I've never heard anyone claim that his St Etienne
remixes are worth listening to.  Back to Spiritualized, they also
remixed LFO recently, which probably means that there is some sort of
mutual respect, as there is no obvious label link, and neither group
stood to gain much in the way of audience crossover.  I'd say that
"Otherness" is based on "shreds" of the original music every bit as
much as "Blood Music" is, and yet that's no sign of a lack of respect
or love on Mark Clifford's part.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 14/12/95
On my walkman this morning : Leonard Cohen - New Skin...
With tremulous cadence slow, and bring


Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 15:26:19 GMT
From: "FOLKERD-HOBBS JAKE ()" (FJ333@GREENWICH.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: (idm) chapterhouse, idm related?


Oh I don't know. I listen to the aphex remixes every now and again.
They're not that bad. The Autechre remix of 'motorway' is similar and
is spot on, fella.

The Loafer. (I was there first fella)


Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 09:20:53 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: fsa


On Thu, 14 Dec 1995, the boy in zinc wrote:

> hey, i just noticed that "in the light of time" from further uses the same
> guitar line as "wish" from fsa.  do they do this with other stuff, too?

actually, i noticed on my radio show last night that the first track from
_distance_  and the first track from _further_ can be played on top of each
other with a lovely effect....so the overall sound of those two is similar.

        .mark...it was noisekids kinda night on the radio last night.


Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 09:42:10 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Re: ARGH!! :(


>On Thu, 14 Dec 1995, L-Soft list server at AMERICAN.EDU (1.8b) wrote:
>
>> Your message dated  Thu, 14 Dec 1995 04:42:26 -0800  (PST) with subject "Re:
>> (idm) chapterhouse, idm related? (fwd)" has been successfully distributed to
>> the 4AD-L list (398 recipients).
>                  ^^^
>Anyone notice that one person leaves for every message I post to this
>list? Maybe I should do a marathon sometime and see if I can't empty out
>the whole lot of you!
>
>
> einexile, charter member of the Undead Prosaics Army

You obviously give yourself TOO much credit. If you think that the mindless
blather that fills the ill formed tripe you pass for arguments is causing
people to unsubscribe, think again. Avoid placing your head near sharp
objects to avoid the danger of popping that over bloated under-worked
apparatus. =^)

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 07:54:50 -0800
From: Doraemon (zorg@ALOIS.ICON.PALO-ALTO.MED.VA.GOV)
Subject: Re: dcd

              at Dec 14, 95 12:29:38 pm

FOLKERD-HOBBS JAKE said:
>
> Does anyone know the name of the film(s) that Dead Can Dance provided
> the soundtrack to?

They apparently did music for two films for a director by the name of
Agustin Villarongas, 'El Nino de la Luna,' and the other which roughly
translates to 'Death and Springtime' (I've forgotten the exact title).
'El Nino' is notable because it features Lisa Gerrard in her acting
debut.  They've also done some theatre work, Lisa producing music for
a version of Oedipus Rex.  'Host of Seraphim' appears on the soundtrack
to 'Baraka.'

> Is the film or just the soundtrack available to buy?

No and no.  I seem to recall that El Nino won some prestigious award at
some festival but even so, the film was not released into commercial
viewing nor will it ever (according to an interview Raven, DCD web page
maintainer, conducted with Brendan).  The second Villarongas film was
not actually ever released, possibly it wasn't even finished.

Ed
--
Edward Wakabayashi                    /\   You've kissed everybody else's
Sleep Lab, x64227                     \/   so you can kiss my ass as well
zorg@alois.icon.palo-alto.med.va.gov  /\      -*Her Majesty the Baby*-
zorg@interramp.com                    \/


Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 10:20:38 -0800
From: Elvia Maree Tarango (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: ARGH!! :(


Thank you! Really eix-geek, whatever, you got your 10 seconds of
fame...back to the music.

On Thu, 14 Dec 1995, Russell Martin wrote:

> >On Thu, 14 Dec 1995, L-Soft list server at AMERICAN.EDU (1.8b) wrote:
> >
> >> Your message dated  Thu, 14 Dec 1995 04:42:26 -0800  (PST) with subject "Re

> >> (idm) chapterhouse, idm related? (fwd)" has been successfully distributed t

> >> the 4AD-L list (398 recipients).
> >                  ^^^
> >Anyone notice that one person leaves for every message I post to this
> >list? Maybe I should do a marathon sometime and see if I can't empty out
> >the whole lot of you!
> >
> >
> > einexile, charter member of the Undead Prosaics Army
>
> You obviously give yourself TOO much credit. If you think that the mindless
> blather that fills the ill formed tripe you pass for arguments is causing
> people to unsubscribe, think again. Avoid placing your head near sharp
> objects to avoid the danger of popping that over bloated under-worked
> apparatus. =^)
>
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 14:41:29 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: ARGH!!


>Thank you! Really eix-geek, whatever, you got your 10 seconds of
>fame...back to the music.

when i first joined this list, i wondered why everyone got annoyed with the
newer members.  now i know.  it's funny to see people who've joined in the
last couple months "flaming" one of the "regulars" who along with having
his good share of fun, makes this list worth subbing to.  i think e's
contributed more stuff to the list worth reading than you have, but then
again, i'm not a big fan of rhp.

and, to make this somewhat musically related.  i should be receiving my
movietone cd today, so i'll post a review tonight or tomorrow.

BiZ

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:38:09 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: ARGH!! :(


>>On Thu, 14 Dec 1995, L-Soft list server at AMERICAN.EDU (1.8b) wrote:
>>
>>> Your message dated  Thu, 14 Dec 1995 04:42:26 -0800  (PST) with subject "Re:
>>> (idm) chapterhouse, idm related? (fwd)" has been successfully distributed to
>>> the 4AD-L list (398 recipients).
>>                  ^^^
>>Anyone notice that one person leaves for every message I post to this
>>list? Maybe I should do a marathon sometime and see if I can't empty out
>>the whole lot of you!
>>

yes, but every time i post, one joins, so you better start workin' mistah.

>>
>> einexile, charter member of the Undead Prosaics Army

Liz or Russ retorted:

>
>You obviously give yourself TOO much credit. If you think that the mindless
>blather that fills the ill formed tripe you pass for arguments is causing
>people to unsubscribe, think again. Avoid placing your head near sharp
>objects to avoid the danger of popping that over bloated under-worked
>apparatus. =^)

i hope you're joking b/c e contributes quality stuff to this list all the
time.  if you're not joking, just go away. . .btw, i think he was joking. .
.

BiZ, the anti-e

"what can i do?  what can i say?  the world was large and i felt very small."
        -pale saints "sight of you"


Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 14:34:56 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Slowdive-ish bands


Some time ago Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se) posted:

> Here's where I need
> your help. Below is a short list of bands I understand is pretty
> close to the "Slowdive" sound.

> Alison's Halo
> Closedown
> Shift
Yes, brilliant bands all, although the Closedown album
missed the mark relative to their demo tapes.

> Strange Boutique
Huh? They're definitely a good band and worth a listen,
but not very close to Slowdive at all.

Others in a general dreampop, female-vocalist fashion,
which probably most of you know about already:

Orange
Elysium
We released albums by both.

Mistle Thrush, on Bedazzled. Their Agus Amarach EP
is more dreamy than the Silt album.

Siddal, also on Bedazzled. Two 7" and an album.

Astrobrite
only demo tapes so far

Lovesliescrushing
have an album and 7" on Projekt

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 14:11:33 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: "wrong" opinions/Lush Imports =: +


>>>few things bother me more than self-appointed monitors of
>>>good taste who tell people that their opinions about music
>>>are wrong.  just because someone has a different opinion
>>>than you does not make them wrong _or_ lazy.
>
>just thought i'd comment on this one, b/c you're slagging this guy for
>expressing his opinion.  kind of funny, eh?  don't take everything so
>seriously.  not everything people say on this list is completely serious.
>(do you want us to put a smiley after every sarcastic/joking remark?)  calm
>down.

I think the point here is that it's ridiculous to tell someone that there
opinion is "wrong", especially for something as subjective as music.  I
didn't read the original post as being sarcastic or joking, by the way, so
if he misunderstood the remark he wasn't the only one.

And he wasn't slagging someone's opinion.  Unless you consider it an opinion
that only certain people should be allowed to have an opinion (which is
ridiculous in the first place).

Jake

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 15:04:11 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: &atT's new label & album title


I realize that most of the Trees people here are subscribed over at aatt
but this seemed important enough I thought I would send it here.

 * einexile, working on minute #11 *

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 95 22:26:29 +0100
From: Charlotte Steinmark (char@coco.ihi.ku.dk)
Subject: re:new signing


Latest news from yesterday evening.

Justin has informed us that they have signed Beyond Records (UK). Beyond
has made a new label for AATT called Mezentian. The album Angelfish will be
out in late March. They are planning a european tour late April and May.

That is all for now

Charlotte

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 14:56:12 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Ooh, a grudge match!


On Thu, 14 Dec 1995, Russell Martin wrote:

> >Anyone notice that one person leaves for every message I post to this
> >list? Maybe I should do a marathon sometime and see if I can't empty out
> >the whole lot of you!
>
> You obviously give yourself TOO much credit. If you think that the mindless
> blather that fills the ill formed tripe you pass for arguments is causing
> people to unsubscribe, think again. Avoid placing your head near sharp
> objects to avoid the danger of popping that over bloated under-worked
> apparatus.

Should I post messages like this one instead? You can't even put together
a halfway decent sentence. *Someone's* blather has to be causing all this
mayhem, yes?

> =^)

You bought that smiley book, didn't you?



 einexile, king of pop

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 17:13:15 -0600
From: Sung Shim (foss@WWA.COM)
Subject: Re: (idm) chapterhouse, idm related? (fwd)


At 04:42 AM 12/14/95 -0800, you wrote:
>I thought some on this list might be interested to know that Global
>Communication are even more full of shit than we thouht they might be.

[kent williams wrote]
>They were nothing to write home about IDM-wise.  Global Communication have
>gone on record as having hated Chapterhouse.  The blood music remixes were
>based on just shreds of the original music.

     if you're saying that they're full of shit 'cos they hated
chapterhouse, i just want to laugh.  those two guys at global communication
have more musical sense in their pinkys than chapterhouse

sung
---
  foss@wwa.com
  http://shoga.wwa.com/~foss/


Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:47:06 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Scheer/Echobelly, general musical stuff


Hay a few questions, comments, whatever, requests:


  1.) Well I haven't been able to find the new Sheer album anywhere is
     it even out yet?

  2.) I bought this album from Echobelly and it sounds like Bow Wow Wow
      in a way. Now someone recommend to me something good.

  3.) I think I'm going to get the Cibo Matto cd because the guy who
      runs their page on the web said they were nice and everyone says
      they are diffrent. I'm a moron, huh.

  4.) My copies of Lush's "Superblast!" and "For Love" should get to my
      house soon.

  There, answer those while I the eat dinner that Scott paid for and
 Mari cooked!

                                    Brian


Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:35:18 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Lush Live! 125 recordings


I received this from the Lush list and was wondering if anyone had any
of the list below. I just e-mailed the poster of the message and am
awiating a reply.
                                        Brian



you wanted it, so here we go - my LUSH live-recording-collection:

Location                                Date    Min. Source Qual.Rem.
Demos                                 00.00.88  11   Mx     A
London - Camden Falcon                00.04.88  35   Au     C
London - Camden Falcon                25.06.88  24   Au     B
Demos                                 00.00.89  7    Mx     AB
Southampton - University              03.06.89  21   Au     B
London - Subterrania                  11.10.89  22   Au3    A
Leeds - Poly                          24.10.89  24   Au     C
London - ULU                          26.10.89  23   Au2    CD
London - Town & Country Club          09.11.89  23   Au2    B
Camden - Workers Club                 14.11.89  23   Au2    CD
Portsmouth - Guildhall                08.12.89  28   Au     BC
Words & Music Promo For GALA          00.00.90  46   Cd3    A
Nantes - Salle Escall                 01.02.90  33   Fm2    A
+Interview
Peel Session                          19.02.90  9    Fm3    A
Norwich - Wilde Club                  05.03.90  31   Au     B
Sheffield - University                08.03.90  34   Mx3    AB
Sheffield - University                08.03.90  39   Au     B
+Soundcheck
Utrecht - Tivoli                      21.03.90  27   Au4    B
Nancy - Terminal Export               27.03.90  33   Au     BC
Paris - New Morning                   29.03.90  30   Au     C
Lille - L'Aeronef                     31.03.90  24   Au     CD
Koeln - Luxor                         02.04.90  29   Au2    BC
Frankfurt - Batschkapp                03.04.90  34   Au3    A
Hildesheim - Vier Linden              04.04.90  32   Au3    B
Berlin - Loft                         05.04.90  29   Au     B
Hamburg - Grosse Freiheit             06.04.90  32   Au4    C
Bruessel - Ancienne Belgique          19.04.90  45   Au1    AB   +Pale
Saints
London - Borderline                   27.04.90  13   Au     A    incl.
Blondie-Cover
London - ULU                          25.05.90  45   Au     BC
Glastonbury - Festival                23.06.90  42   Au     B
London - Crystal Palace Bowl          11.08.90  35   Au     B
London - Town & Country Club          05.11.90  44   Au     B
Hoboken - Maxwells                    23.11.90  51   Au3    B
Boston - Night Stage                  26.11.90  30   Au     B
San Francisco - Kennel Club           03.12.90  53   Au     BC
Snap Session                          07.12.90  28   Fm5    AB
+Interview
Hollywood - Club Lingerie             08.12.90  55   Au3    B
"Kaleidoscopic Harmonies"             00.00.91  64   Cd0    BC
London - Venue                        01.03.91  57   Au3    C
Lynn - WFNX Interview                 23.03.91  12   Fm4    A
Boston - Paradise                     23.03.91  43   Au2    BC
Chicago - Cabaret Metro               30.03.91  54   Au     A
Chicago - Cabaret Metro               30.03.91  36   Fm2    A
Minneapolis - 1st Avenue              01.04.91  29   Au4    BC
Denver - Gothic Theatre               03.04.91  46   Fm2    A
Sacramento - Cattle Club              06.04.91  46   Au4    B
Edge Palo Alto                        07.04.91  54   Au3    BC
San Francisco - I Beam                08.04.91  51   Au3    BC
Hollywood - Roxy                      11.04.91  34   Fm2    A
New York - Marquee                    29.04.91  53   Au4    AB
London - Kilburn National Ballroom    03.05.91  7    Tv1    A
Roskilde - Festival                   28.06.91  29   Fm4    A
+Interview
Roskilde - Festival                   28.06.91  57   Au2    B
Giessen - Bizarre Festival            30.06.91  37   Au1    AB
Steve Rippon - Phone Interview        01.08.91  27   Au2    AB   one
channel only
Nottingham - Irish Centre             08.10.91  62   Au     BC
London - Rocket Theatre               10.10.91  58   Au4    BC
Lille - L'Aeronef                     18.10.91  58   Au     B
Paris - La Cigale                     19.10.91  45   Fm2    A
Paris - La Cigale                     19.10.91  58   Au     BC
Glasgow - Mayfair                     22.10.91  58   Au3    BC
Portsmouth - Pyramids Centre          29.10.91  58   Au3    B
London - ULU                          19.12.91  45   Au     B    Steve
Rippon's last gig
France Radio Interview                29.01.92  69   Fm2    A
Cambridge - Junction                  05.02.92  62   Au     AB
Sheffield - Poly                      26.02.92  60   Au2    AB
Minneapolis - 1st Avenue              14.03.92  50   Fm     A
Orlando - Beacham Theatre             04.04.92  63   Au3    BC
New Orleans - Tipitina's              06.04.92  67   Fm2    A
KROQ - Loveline(Lush solve love-probl 13.04.92  90   Fm3    A
Dennis Miller Show - "For Love"       14.04.92  4    Tv     A
San Francisco - Slim's                14.04.92  58   Au2    B    early
set
San Francisco - Slim's                14.04.92  58   Au2    B    late
set
San Francisco - Union Square          15.04.92  43   Au2    A
Seattle - Rockcandy                   17.04.92  67   Au4    B
Seattle - Rockcandy                   17.04.92  65   Cd0    A    "The
World Of Lush"
Vancouver - Commodore                 18.04.92  60   Au1    C
Berlin - Loft                         03.05.92  60   Au     A
Stockholm - Gladjehuset               06.05.92  30   Fm5    A
Uppsala - Barowiac                    07.05.92  63   Au3    B
Koeln - Luxor                         12.05.92  64   Au1    A
Frankfurt - Batschkapp                13.05.92  65   Au2    A
Lausanne - Entrepot                   14.05.92  55   Fm1    A
+Interview
Basel - Kulturwerkstatt               16.05.92  64   Au3    B
Tours - MJC Joue                      25.05.92  58   Au3    A
Paris - Bataclan                      27.05.92  67   Dat2   B
Bruessel - Ancienne Belgique          28.05.92  60   Au4    B
Amsterdam - Paradiso                  29.05.92  61   Au3    AB
Utrecht - Tivoli                      30.05.92  64   Au2    A
VARA - 2 Meter Session                31.05.92  24   Fm3    A
Stuttgart - Universum                 02.06.92  62   Au2    A
Muenchen - Nachtwerk                  03.06.92  55   Au     B
Rome - Palladium                      09.06.92  60   Au2    A
Napoli - Havana Club                  10.06.92  51   Au3    BC
Castefranco - Emilia - Soundcheck     11.06.92  20   Au2    D
Castefranco - Emilia                  11.06.92  49   Au2    D
Glastonbury - Festival                27.06.92  42   Au2    C
San Francisco - Slim's                16.07.92  52   Au2    A
San Francisco - Shoreline             19.07.92  42   Au4    A
Vancouver - UBC Field                 21.07.92  43   Au4    BC
Chicago - World Amphitheater          02.08.92  43   Au     B
Toronto - Molson Park                 05.08.92  12   Au3    BC
Miami - Bicentennia Park              22.08.92  44   Cd0    A
"Lollapalooza |92"
Minneapolis - Harriet Island          28.08.92  43   Au     B
Chicago - Cabaret Metro               30.08.92  60   Fm4    A
Fort Bend - Country Fairground        15.09.92  43   Au     BC
London - ICA "13 Year Itch"           21.07.93  50   Au3    B
London - Brixton Academy              11.09.93  31   Au2    BC
BBC - Evening Session                 01.06.94  21   Fm1    A
+Interview
London - Astoria 2                    09.06.94  62   Au2    B
Paris - Black Session                 28.06.94  47   Fm1    A
Minneapolis - 1st Avenue              01.08.94  72   Au1    AB
Santa Monica - KCRW Interview         09.08.94  11   Fm2    A
Boston - Avalon Club                  16.08.94  73   Au2    BC
Reading - Festival                    26.08.94  61   Au2    A
Brighton - Zap Club                   05.09.94  32   Fm3    A
Koeln - Luxor                         11.09.94  66   Au0    AB
incomplete
Paris - New Morning                   29.09.94  77   Au2    A    incl.
"Sunday Girl"


Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 21:36:22 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: hisnameisaliveLIVE


Dropped in today at Time Stereo (actually a record store that also serves as
Time Stereo) and spoke to Kenny Greenbaum, co-member of Princess-Dragom Mom
with Warren and Davin.  We had got to talking about the past few PDM shows
(all of which I missed mainly because I didn't find out about them until 2
days after the fact) - anyway, he mentioned some other recent shows,
including a 'secret' show by HisNameIsAlive.

After mentioning how disappointed I was to have missed both the HNIA and PDM
shows, he then told me of a 'festival' of sorts that will be taking place
sometime between Christmas and New Years at one of two area clubs.  Along
with miscellaneous local bands, HNIA, and PDM, Kenny said that there was a
good chance of other Time Stereo bands playing (i.e. Defever & Davin side
projects) such as New Grape, Little Princess, and even Kenny's new side
project Mog.

Thought I'd let all of you know in case some of you want to travel a bit
(sorry to all you west-coasters... don't mean to gloat, but it's our turn to
have some great shows!).  Unfortunately Kenny didn't have any exact dates as
of yet, but I'll be in constant contact and will be sure to post any and all
info as soon as I get it.

He also mentioned a little about the new HNIA lp due in April... not much
more than what has already been posted, but he did mention the fact that as I
was there talking to him about all this, Warren Karin and Trey were down the
street in a studio recording.

Also worth mentioning:  Picked up Warren's Mystic Moog Orchestra while I was
there... I've only had time to listen to the first 2 tracks.  Kind of a cross
between Flying Saucer Attack and PDM (in my opinion).  If you aren't at all
turned on by the whole "noise" thing, don't worry about it...  however, if
you are, it's a must.  Once again Warren has shown his genius (although I
think he only plays a small part in this project).

One last thing... if you haven't bought the hisnameisaliveLIVEINMEXICO tape
from Time Stereo yet - do so immediately!  this tape is simply incredible!

More to come!

-Blue
blubelknol@aol.com
"Know who you are at every age" - CT

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 20:07:17 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: twinlights lyrics please...


...sometime ago someone posted the lyrics to rilkean heart and half-gifts
as transcribed from the short film/video thing.  anyway, i managed to
lose these, and now i've made the mistake of offering them to the
cocteaux list, and i can't deliver.  so....before i go ftping into the
archives, could someone just send them to me???  that would be truly
neato! thanks....

        .mark.....patientlying awaiting BiZ's movietone review.
        (vonminde@rtt.Colorado.EDU)

& cocteau's treasuredrumsound in chapterhouse's "the pearl"?  (maybe
that's siouxsie's homage to chapterhouse, i have no idea what came before
what).  i've been trying to sneak that question in for awhile now....and
since there's been some chapterhouse discussion.....hee hee