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Subject: Re: OZZY BLOWS GOAT
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:10:35 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: spirals swanky seedee sail
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:18:15 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: calliope and fibre
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:31:40 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: egg on my face
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 23:37:47 -0600
From: Kanga and lisaRoo (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: Re: good godfearin' music/TMC cover girl
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 21:45:05 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: eggs n' gorey
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 23:49:48 -0600
From: Kanga and lisaRoo (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: EBTG and mark eitzel (sp?)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:03:58 -0600
From: Kanga and lisaRoo (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: Re: EBTG and mark eitzel (sp?)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 01:25:00 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: Lush Tabs/My Penis/Ozzy/Jesus Christ
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 22:21:13 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: EBTG and mark eitzel (sp?)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 22:39:17 -0800
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: siren song... aka: COPS.. not really.
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 01:47:24 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: And dogbones too???
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 01:59:07 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: better than seasame street!
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 02:16:22 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: davidsylvianthesedays?
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:34:57 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: no 4ad content--you have been warned
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:01:59 -0800
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: eggs n' gorey
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 02:39:18 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Maybe we can help get ESP S/D a label deal!
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 04:57:44 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (TooPurist@AOL.COM)
Subject: hnia and the meaning of *my* so-called life...
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 02:06:11 -0800
From: snowangel k-j (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: John Cage, anyone?
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 05:13:02 -0500
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Mojave 3
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 04:23:08 -0600
From: Sung Shim (foss@STARNETINC.COM)
Subject: Re: EBTG and mark eitzel (sp?)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 11:50:41 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: jp limited vinyls sale
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 21:35:54 +0900
From: Masaya Toyokawa (toyokawa@LIB.BEKKOAME.OR.JP)
Subject: H. Zazou/Doom Generation/metal hoo-ha
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 11:26:15 -0500
From: Squezy bottles under Pepsi sign (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: hnia and the meaning of *my* so-called life...
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:14:19 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Curve
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:33:09 -0800
From: thrifty orbit (prr@SIRIUS.COM)
Subject: Re: Curve
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:53:07 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Swallow sampled by Chemical Brothers
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:55:30 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: davidsylvianthesedays?
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:59:37 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: Curve
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:54:43 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: EBTG and mark eitzel (sp?)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 10:03:03 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: John Cage, anyone?
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 18:54:43 CET
From: "Gaveston, Gaveston, I'm hooked on you" (ADAMRADV@PLEARN.BITNET)
Subject: Songs on 2 DCD boots
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:33:10 -0600
From: Holly Emmer (hemmer@RRGROUP.COM)
Subject: Harold Budd
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:24:22 EST
From: Grover Cleveland (bwilliam@FOGELSON.CSF.EDU)
Subject: MIME things...
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:21:56 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: bros. quay
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 19:14:56 -0700
From: "M. Wade Chamberlainn" (chamberlainw@YVAX.BYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: bros. quay
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 21:42:30 -0500
From: firebrat (cbayard@SAS.UPENN.EDU)
Subject: bros. Quay
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 22:29:49 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: Re: bros. Quay
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:09:37 -0500
From: firebrat (cbayard@SAS.UPENN.EDU)
Subject: Re: Curve
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 20:21:24 -0800
From: thrifty orbit (prr@SIRIUS.COM)
Subject: Re: bros. quay full length film
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:32:04 -0500
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: bros. Quay
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:32:11 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:10:35 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: OZZY BLOWS GOAT


"ozzy blows goat"? hahaha. come on. the silliness is
too much to bear.

On Sat, 18 Nov 1995, just Brian (so we dont
commit the other two owners of this account
to this fine bit)  so intelligently
observed in his best record reviewing lingo:

> Listen, I read a post stating to the
> effect that metal is music and
> 4-ad is namby pamby.

wait, itll all be over soon... its okay
dont cry. dont get so wound up about it...
it sounds like you have a seriously repressed
problem with metal... i think that the only way to
solve that is to confront it.
        im a friend. and i want to help. thats
why i will spend the next 8 paragraphs discussing
why heavy metal should replace every form of music
that currently exists, except michael bolton. but he will
be required to join a heavy metal band, by law. the heavy
metal division will be an important part of the government.
you know who says "namby pamby"?   ...my dad...

> At the expense of sounding
> narrow-minded.....METAL SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

plus tax im afraid.

> I don't need some long haired,
> numbskull screaming while some freak
> guitar guy does a 90 minute guitar solo.

no i guess not. but we _do_ need this message. because
it is far superior in merit, and well thought out.
now, are all guitar gals/guys freaks? i just want to
make sure.

> As for banging ones
> head.......No wonder metal heads are so stupid.

yes! illiterate, cromagnon fools!
i hope they all choke on that hair while they
are passed out from all that beer they drink.

>                                 Brian

the post about ozzy was funny.
best thing since the "e the racist"
and "the united church of 4ad" discussions.
i really dont think the ozzy post was meant to
be serious, but if it was that makes it
even more funny...

whens recess kids?

                ---> [spiral MD] net psychiatrist
        who thinks king diamond should be added to the
        thislisty artistes in the FAQ. (ever notice: Fa Q)
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu
ps. thanks eric for the christian thread, i
knew what you were up to, it was funny.. ;)
pps. i really do like king diamond.

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:18:15 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: spirals swanky seedee sail


hi. you can have these cds for
whatever, and ill pay for postage...
i just want them to find a good home.
im not taking bids and all that crazy
stuff, nothing is that sacred here. ill probably
use some unorthadox method for choosing who
gets what. or a trade is always super cool.
        -* lush: gala
        -* lush: split
        -* stereolab: mars audiac quintet
        -* the breeders: last splash
        -* the breeders: pod
        -* the rosemarys: s/t
        -* mercury rev: yerself is steam
        -* the innocence mission: umbrellla

of course anyone who wants to give me
the movietone disc, or fsa _further_ you can
have as many of these as you want... :)
thanks
[spiral]

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:31:40 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: calliope and fibre


someone mentioned calliope awhile
ago, i just wanted to tell anyone who
is interested that they are recording their
2nd album with brad wood (liz fair fame, and
RS hot producer)... fibre is also quite excellent
i sat in amazement when they opened for
m7x and hnia. fibre is clark from sixth with violet
(who is calliope minus clark)... got all that?
fibre is a soundscape band. effects, effects effects.
pretty weaving of 2 guitars and drums. if anyone
wants to know more about any of this stuff just
mail me.

                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu
i think this is the first post ive ever made with a
relevant subject header... maybe not.

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 23:37:47 -0600
From: Kanga and lisaRoo (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: egg on my face


pardon me, oh dear listies, for it seems I have maligned a fellow member
without meaning to!  deep regrets, adam cooper, and all who mailed me!
I meant no malice, and only wondered pourqoi our lines had gotten crossed...
cheerio, lise...


Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 21:45:05 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: good godfearin' music/TMC cover girl


You wrote:
>
>>so
>>what music do you guys listen to to reaffirm your faith?
>
>Deicide.
>
>>"why do children break toys?"
>
>I dunno, but..."I love children, because when they cry, someone comes
and
>takes them away."
>
>[TMC girl]
>>so I'd say her name is Pallas Citroen and she's too
>>beautiful
>
>Hmm...that doesn't sound like it could be her real name, considering
Citroen
>(the French car manufacturer) had a model called Pallas once...
>

hey i just read the liners, i thought it a parcular myself, but i never
heard of pictures of calls called portraits, SO

>All this discussion of whether it's Tim or Jeff Buckley on the Tom
Waits
>tribute reminds me:
Tim is dead, last time i heard, could be wrong, i often am SO

>there was talk some time ago of Jeff Buckley and Liz
>Fraser recording something together. Did that ever happen, and if not,
is it
>still in the cards?
>
>Larry
>
midi3x3x

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 23:49:48 -0600
From: Kanga and lisaRoo (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: eggs n' gorey


huge apology, ok? I didn't realize what I was doing.. someone posted the same
way about me once before, and I didn't like it; sorry... I'll send you some
edward gorey christmas cards, ok?? perfect to send out with that ozzy bottle
of bat blood or what ever...

I got about 6 letters from friends of yours, and that was really cool. stunning
descriptive vocabulary there, I know. I mean, just to see someone's friends
really supporting him... I've been ripped off before for about 100 dollars, so
I was a wee bit skeptical... And I swear I never got that post from you asking
for my snail mail address, honest!!  crossed wires, oh well..

go see the legendary jim ruiz group and sf seals and all will be well with the
universe...  hey, do you want a copy of that new esp summer/dolphin remixes
album on farrago? I think there's a spare one 'round here somewhere...

lisa cooley
5526 mcknight
houston, texas 77035

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:03:58 -0600
From: Kanga and lisaRoo (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: EBTG and mark eitzel (sp?)


what isup with mark american music club doing a solo tour?? and opening for
everything but the girl?? granted, I am not upset, by far, I have front row
seats, so close I'll be able to count every bump on tracey thorn's nose, but
I just found out about mark opening... I'm thinking mark red house painters
goes off on his little solo tour, so now mark american music club is doing it??
anyone know about this, or seen the show? Is there a mark e. solo album in the
works or something???

isalai oooray

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 01:25:00 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: Re: EBTG and mark eitzel (sp?)


i think there is a solo record brewing for mr eitzel. AMC broke up
earlier this year, too, I think

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 22:21:13 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Lush Tabs/My Penis/Ozzy/Jesus Christ


Ok, is there a place besides Nevada (guitarbys know what I'm talkin
about) where there is Lush Tabs?

B. My penis is 3/4 in. across by 5 and 3/4 inches long (erect) and was
wondering if that is a good size. By the way I'm 5'6 and 110 pounds.

3.) I still don't like Ozzy.

4.) Who here thinks Jesus had a bigger weiner than me?


P.S. I know! How about everybody (guys) exchange weiner sizes and
impress all the girls!  But be Truthful! Well all know if one is lying
if someone says "Mine is 10 inches by 3 inches."

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 22:39:17 -0800
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: EBTG and mark eitzel (sp?)


About that Mark e solo album.  Yes.  I think you can use yes to answer
all questions posed.  I saw a bit about that in addicted to noise.
uh, yeah, hell yeah, here it is even:


I'll let Emiel quote it for everyone :)

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 01:47:24 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: siren song... aka: COPS.. not really.


for the cat that was looking for the
lyrics to song to the siren i still have
them all tucked away, i guess i didnt realize
it earlier. sorry.

[spiral and the sultans of swank]
        -catch them now on tour now at your local IGA.
         with opening act: king diamond..."missy was screaming..."


Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 01:59:07 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: And dogbones too???


Anyone have an extra copy of this sampler from our favourite Defever creation
His Name Is Alive????

-Blue
blubelknol@aol.com

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 02:16:22 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: better than seasame street!


yea! this list has been so cool in the
past few days... i havent had so much fun.
we had the religious discussion, e and the battle of
wits, heavy metal and now the english lesson...
im being sincere...
thanks evan for the info. cool.
i vote we add the following things to the "thislisty"
        -common english terminology and definitions
        -king diamond
        -anything e has to say
        -really emabarrasing bands you listened to in 4th-11th grade
        -religious discussion
        -hnia... hey wait!
[spiral...annoying the masses with electricity, but knowing
        wont be cold when i wake to many o' flame]

ps.thanks kelli fer the looong "how to save 4ad"
that was suuper kool... i just read it. eamil catchup night ya know?

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:34:57 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: davidsylvianthesedays?


spiral has inspired me....so here's something fun to ponder...

i'm too lazy to join the sylvian list, so can someone tell me what mr.
david is up to these days?

...and please someone, find that budd/zazou thing and tell us all what
you think!

spiral is my friend.  i like mazzy star, suede, and fuel and i'm durn
proud of it!

                definitelytimeforbed.....mark


Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:01:59 -0800
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: no 4ad content--you have been warned


but who knows, he might end up there someday.  Once he drops that pedal
steel thingy.  Oh, sorry, "he" is Mark Eitzel, subject of previous
banter, bicker, bruhaha.  I just want to know, since the group of
geniouses commonly known as American Music Club is NEVER discussed on
this list (okay, sometimes.  See population of universe section of the
hitchhikers guide and then come talk to me) I was wonderin if some of
y'all who are out there would like to step forward and admit you like the
dudes.  People who care nothing about music labels often stick the fellas
in with RHP in the depressing SanFran dept.  But people on this list seem
to snub their slightly-more-mainstream sound.  I wonder, what would
happen if eitzel were signed to 4ad?  Would everyone claim to have loved
them from the start?  (1983 I believe)
In an effort to make this a helpful post, I'll give those AMC beginners
out there something to start with:

the first album, The Restless Stranger, is impossible to find.  I cannot
describe its beauty.  Why not?  Because it's impossible to find.  Hence,
i have not found it.

After that is Engine.  You can find this one and so i have.  It has quite
a few great songs.  Very VERY fragile at times.  Don't judge this album
as you would any other.  He's speaking the truth.  Sometimes the truth
doesn't fit into metaphores.  The pop songs are very likeable (except for
"Art of Love" which still sux) while the slower songs take a bit more
getting used to.  I've seen this one compared to joy divison but I
wouln't agree with dat.  It's a great album but doesn't seem to fit
together as well as their later work does.  Probably not the best one to
buy first.

Next comes United Kingdom.  This one is very short, and hence was
rereleased on a cd with the album that comes after it, California.  Songs
are much more developed.  Still has that country twang at times that
has decreased through the years.  I said it was short, well, take off the
last two songs (and i wouldn't mind it if they had left those off) and
you have seven songs and less than a half hour.  But those seven songs
are gorgeous.  Some all-out pop songs, others very moody but still very
nice, and some that display the unique ability AMC has to make listeners
crawl into the corner and sob.

As I said, UK was rereleased about 2 years ago with California tacked
on.  Make sure you get this one because California is also available by
itself.  That's the only way to get the lyrix but not worth the $15.
This is the album where AMC finally realizes their potential.  The songs
fit well together for the most part.  Only exception is "Bad Liquor",
which follows the beautiful "blue and grey shirt," but this drunk
holleringfest might be there just to stop people from killing themselves
when they see how pointless life is in the song before.  There are so
many classic songs on this one!  Don't let "firefly," the album's opener,
put you off with its country sound.  This album has everything.
Everything but a radio-ready single.  But that will come--stay tuned.

Everclear is next.  The breakthrough.  If all you've heard is "Rise" then
you have a very bad idea of what this album sounds like.  Some harsh
production techniques that only add to the emotion of the songs.  The
country sound is gone for the most part.  Except on crabwalk that is.  I
prefer the acoustic version on the "rise" ep, but this one isn't awful.
Listen closely for some funny surprises.  And for a cool banjo solo in
the middle of a great song, "Royal Cafe."  Songs about breakups,
relationships, even more powerful than before.

Mercury is their major label debut.  Besides a few poppy songs like "If i
had a hammer"  (no, not the campfire song) this album is pretty darn
low key.  It's a beauty, but steps in a direction similar to the one RHP
took on ocean beach.  Piano pops up more often.  Stronger use of metaphore
replaces firsthand stories of pain.  He also shows how much fun it can be
to make long songtitles.

San Fransisco.  You might have heard a song or two from this on the
radio.  I did and almost peed my pants.  I love the production of this
album.  I was put off at first by the extreme pop sound of some songs, but
it's not all like that.  and even those are very good.  THe simple acoustic
guitar sadsongs are less common on this.  But the lyrics are still
there.  Some are just him screwing around while others are among the
strongest he's penned.  This album is very long and goes from mood to
mood every three or four minutes.  By the end, when once again you are
about ready to kill yourself, their cover of "California Dreaming" makes
everyone jump up and dance.

There's plenty more but those are the basic albums for anyone who
wondered.  Try it, you'll like it.  Or don't.  Whatever.  If you do,
I'd say go for california or everclear first.  Or pick up san
francisco in a used bin.  It's probably not hard to find.  Also, if anyone
has the first album, email me and we'll trade tapes, k?  :D

talkative Aaron,
King of Kitsch

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 02:39:18 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: eggs n' gorey


>I'll send you some
>edward gorey christmas cards, ok?? ...
>hey, do you want a copy of that new esp summer/dolphin remixes
>album on farrago? I think there's a spare one 'round here somewhere...

        Hey now!  No bringing candy to class unless you have enough to share
with everyone.  :(   I want gorey christmas cards and an ESP Summer album too.

-cz   ... a beastly baby christmas ...


Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 04:57:44 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (TooPurist@AOL.COM)
Subject: Maybe we can help get ESP S/D a label deal!


Hi all

I mentioned ESP Summer/Dolphins to "Mr Kranky" - of THE most consistenly
awesome label this side of the Atlantic. He says this (after I mentioned the
prospect of releasing their album officially)
"...Any chance of having the bands send me some tapes? We always listen to
everything we get, even unsolicited material."

I suggested 6 String Malfunction, too. This one I can handle - but I don't
have a copy of any of the ESP tapes. Can someone help me here? Or, better
yet, can someone get Warren or Ian in touch with Kranky? From what I've read
(sadly, not 'heard'), the ESP album would fit well into the label's sound -
especially with the Spiny Anteaters' beautiful album proving that 'pop' isn't
a dirty word. :)

Here's the address (everyone should be familiar with it, anyways...):

KRANKY
PO BOX 578743
CHICAGO, ILL 60657

Maybe this is the way to do things - take the bands we love into our own
hands. Don't wait for 4AD or Creation or ANYONE to do it for us.

...on an unrelated note, RACHEL'S fans would be doing well to check out GASTR
DEL SOL'S "Harp Factory on Lake Street" cd-ep. Similar 'vibe'. Does anyone
have information on the new Rachel's album ("Egon Schele"?) due out next
week?

and while I have ya'... can someone post a discography for DROP? I know they
have an album, "Beyond the Within" and at least one single ("Reflections") on
Chapter22... Is there anything else?

That's it. Please note: THIS IS NOT AN ADVERTISMENT!!!!!
Jeez... will I have to say that everytime I post about something? :(

Be good, friends!
Gil



Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 02:06:11 -0800
From: snowangel k-j (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: hnia and the meaning of *my* so-called life...


  well, it's several days late. but i'm always late, with everything.
  too late in some matters, unfortunately. anyhoo, rather than tackle
  'livonia' right now, i'd rather muse with you about 'home is in your
  head'. mainly because it's easy for me to ponder on....the impact of
  the album on my li'l cranium was instant and heavy...but i also choose
  hiiyh because i can relate to it on an even deeper level now than i
  could when it was first released.
  fun fact numero uno: i lost my virginity to this album. talk about an
  omen....
  please take into account that these are *my* opinions. my thoughts.
  my personal interpretations of the songs, the music, the album as
  a whole. don't turn around and twist my words all up...otherwise i
  will be forced to send the Bad Karma gremlins on you, and they are
  already overbooked for this fine holiday season. :)

  what sort of record would you make, assuming you could make one, to
  document the disintegration of a relationship? how would you capture
  all the confused, fucked up feelings you go through when your lover
  turns ghost...invisible presence in your life? try as i might, i
  doubt i could document something so painful in such a beautiful
  way...unlike hnia. 'home is in your head' is my Official Break-Up
  Album. it's a bitter and delicate pill to swallow. it's not just
  centering on losing what was once an important part of your life, but
  also on losing yourself. disjointed, yet seamless. cacophonic and
  minimalistic. the ebb and flow of the songs...the short snippets and
  the longer, subdued instrumentals...it's a fantastic portrayal of
  that empty and confused feeling. much like i feel right now, to be honest
  with you. i stand at a crossroad for the time being...and my moods,
  my feelings, my emotions are like 'chances are we are mad'....you have
  this rather quiet and soft music and then NOISE and then back again.
  the entire album is a spiral of hurt and confusion and love that once
  was...bittersweet and jagged at the right moments. it's a masterpiece
  of a concept album...if it were a concept album. :) i've heard and
  read so many people complain about the "short songs" and how
  disappointing they are for their length...but look at it from a
  different perspective. it all made perfect sense to me upon my first
  "real" listen.
  i'll leave it at that for now. go ahead and tell me how wrong i am,
  and explain to me why. ;) i might just sign on again and respond...


  emotive mode off,
  k

  ...well, the rose got me The Silent Treatment...

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 05:13:02 -0500
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: John Cage, anyone?


Hi, this is my first post. I've been lurking for a couple of weeks.

After having heard lots and lots about John Cage over the years, I finally
purchased a couple of CDs of his music recently: "In A Landscape" a
collection of keyboard pieces performed by Stephen Drury, and "Sixteen
Dances" performed by the Ensemble Modern conducted by Metzmacher.

The music struck me, despite all the hype, as being exceptionally lovely
(some of the pieces were very reminiscent of Satie: I had known Cage admired
him, but I didn't know he had been such an influence), and also, the reason
for this post, exceptionally thislisty.

I was wondering if anyone else on this list liked Cage (and agrees with the
4adesque association), and also if there were other pieces that would
normally be pegged classical that listmembers would be interested in (Harold
Budd, I know, is often thus pegged). One piece that comes to mind is Olivier
Messiaen's "Cinq rechants": a setting for twelve (I think) solo singers
singing half in French, half in a made-up language (shades of Liz Fraser,
though with more emphasis on consonants than vowels) on the subject of
Tristan and Iseult.

Thanks

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 04:23:08 -0600
From: Sung Shim (foss@STARNETINC.COM)
Subject: Mojave 3


     I haven't really been keeping up, but what's the general consensus on
Mojave 3?  I was going to buy it on import vinyl today but my plastic didn't
run through, maybe it's an omen.  Is it available domestically?  Basically I
love the early slowdive EPs, didn't go for any of their LPs, was so-so on
5EP (thought the 5EP remix disc was kick ass though), didn't hear Pygmalion,
but liked Neil's contribution on the Leaf compiliation.

sung
---
  foss@starnetinc.com
  http://www.starnetinc.com/pwp/foss/index.htm

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 11:50:41 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: EBTG and mark eitzel (sp?)


>About that Mark e solo album.  Yes.  I think you can use yes to answer
>all questions posed.  I saw a bit about that in addicted to noise.
>uh, yeah, hell yeah, here it is even:
>
>
>I'll let Emiel quote it for everyone :)

No I'm not.. I only quote thinks I like, who's interested in Mark e anyway? =-)


Emiel


I'm going to see The Amps next tuesday, do they play any Breeders stuff at
concerts?


Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 21:35:54 +0900
From: Masaya Toyokawa (toyokawa@LIB.BEKKOAME.OR.JP)
Subject: jp limited vinyls sale


sorry non-4ad content,

maybe somebody will be interested.
today i picked up a 12" echo & the bunnymen - never stop.
which maybe japanese limited.
it's the first time to see the vinyl even for me.

never stop, rescue, the cutter, back of love, do it clean (live)*
*recorded live at the royal albert hall, london, july 18, 1983.

released 1983
warner pioneer P-6195

price \1030
almost perfect condition(with obi and an insert)

reply me privately,
toyokawa@lib.bekkoame.or.jp

i also have some thislisty japanese release for sale

Masaya Toyokawa
4ad-jp release site: http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~toyokawa/4ad-jp.html


Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 11:26:15 -0500
From: Squezy bottles under Pepsi sign (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: H. Zazou/Doom Generation/metal hoo-ha


>>Hmmm...I thought it was unclear who Mr X was, exactly. DCD duo esteemed? Not
>>by everyone.
>
>You'll eat those words one day (the ones about DCD), when you see the light.

We'll see about that. Hey, I'm just saying that DCD have never done anything
for me. Is that allowed? As for who Mr X was, I guess I should have paid
more attention on the Sylvian list.

>>But the bit about his record company being litigious proved to
>>be quite an omen, since they are now suing Cindy Crawford for using a Rain
>>Tree Crow song in her workout tape without permission. That's gonna be
>>interesting.
>
>I can't believe that!  Well, one, i can't believe that Cindy Crawford has
>heard of Rain Tree Crow and, two, i can't believe they're suing her rather
>than just saying "pay up".  Which song was it by the way?  Someone has to
>fess up to owning this tape.

If she or her producers had just paid up in the first place, as they
presumably did with the somewhat thislisty music on the second workout tape,
this wouldn't be happening. The song is "Big Wheels in Shanty Town," BTW.
What's interesting is that all the articles I've seen about this haven't
mentioned who recorded the song or who the songwriter is, but they *have*
seen fit to indicate that it was used on CC's first workout tape "Cindy
how I know). If this means Sylvo and his pals get a bit more money and Cindy
has a bit less, then I'm all for it. The wheel of karmic justice - yay!

[Doom Generation]
>...I heard the sdtrk has CT, slowdive and Curve...what songs are they?


so nothing a fan of either wouldn't have already.

>Listen, I read a post stating to the effect that metal is music and
>4-ad is namby pamby.  At the expense of sounding
>narrow-minded.....METAL SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>I don't need some long haired, numbskull screaming while some freak
>guitar guy does a 90 minute guitar solo. As for banging ones
>head.......No wonder metal heads are so stupid.

Hello? He was just posting that to piss the person off who accused him of fraud.
Guess you got suckered in by his irony, eh Brian? (BTW, when are Scott and
Mari going to get a chance to post?). If he was a real metalhead, he
wouldn't have misspelled Randy Rhoads' name. Okay, maybe he might. You've
been had, either way.

Yours non-metallically

Larry

"...it's a very big place, Mr Shadrack...a man could lose himself in London"


Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:14:19 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: hnia and the meaning of *my* so-called life...


        k-j divulged:
>....the impact of
>  the album on my li'l cranium was instant and heavy...but i also choose
>  hiiyh because i can relate to it on an even deeper level now than i
>  could when it was first released.

This album was irrevocably in my ears and head from the moment it first
graced my CD player (in fact it was one of my first CD's).

>  what sort of record would you make, assuming you could make one, to
>  document the disintegration of a relationship?
>  it's not just
>  centering on losing what was once an important part of your life, but
>  also on losing yourself.
>  album. :) i've heard and
>  read so many people complain about the "short songs" and how
>  disappointing they are for their length...
>  i'll leave it at that for now. go ahead and tell me how wrong i am,
>  and explain to me why. ;) i might just sign on again and respond...

I'll tell you how wrong you are,  0% wrong.  From the opening lines of the
album to the abrupt closure this is the beautiful expression of pain, loss,
depression, and insanity.

....and speaking of these things:

>  ...well, the rose got me The Silent Treatment...

Forget him!   You know that this love's a fish eye...
... and next time, lose your virginity to an album which is less
portentous.   ;)

-cz

___<<<<<<<<<*********ckemnitz@students.wisc.edu********>>>>>>>>>___

"Like a diaphanous nightgown, language both hides and reveals.  There is no
way of getting at the naked truth, even if it's wearing the Emperor's New
Clothes, or the Empress's New Clothos.  We follow our Mother Tongue into
her boudoir, anyway, hoping for a glimpse of something never yet beheld-and
come face to face with our own reflections in her most private mirror,
veiled meanings in a gossamer heap on the floor."     -Karen Elizabeth
Gordon

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:33:09 -0800
From: thrifty orbit (prr@SIRIUS.COM)
Subject: Curve


>
>so nothing a fan of either wouldn't have already.

I used to be a fanatical Curve Fan, but completely gave up on them at Cuckoo.
I think they were a better studio band when Dean and Toni's bo played all
the Guitar parts. They never strummed the damn things they just turned 'em
up to 11 and jumped on for a ride, pointed them at pain. I once drove from
Portland to San Fran just to see them live and they pretty much sucked. I
can handle a rhythm section on DAT, but not gtr!

Anyway, tell where "on a wheel" is from. I'm curious, and unfortunately
ignorant at this point.

Bye,

thrifty orbit


Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:53:07 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Curve


"On The Wheel" is from the Blackerthreetracker EP, which contained a
remix of "Missing Link" and another track entitled "Triumph".

BTW, on a Curve-related note, Toni Halliday sings vocals on a recent
track by Leftfield entitled "Original". It's okay...nothing major.


Mike
iceblink@delphi.com

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:55:30 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Swallow sampled by Chemical Brothers


Chemical Brothers have a song out entitled "Too Many Mornings" which
samples Swallow's "Follow Me Down" as it appeared on the Blowback CD in
its remixed form.  "Too Many Mornings" is a GREAT song and I highly
recommend tracking it down. I don't know what album it's on, as I got
it off a compilation a friend gave to me yesterday.

Mike
iceblink@delphi.com

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:59:37 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: davidsylvianthesedays?

              from ".mark." at Nov 19, 95 00:34:57 am

I heard that their is supposed to be a new Sylvian album out by December
and that Brian Eno is supposed to have had something to do with it...

Curiouser and curiouser...

Rick


>
> spiral has inspired me....so here's something fun to ponder...
>
> i'm too lazy to join the sylvian list, so can someone tell me what mr.
> david is up to these days?
>
> ...and please someone, find that budd/zazou thing and tell us all what
> you think!
>
> spiral is my friend.  i like mazzy star, suede, and fuel and i'm durn
> proud of it!
>
>                 definitelytimeforbed.....mark
>

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:54:43 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: Curve

              Nov 19, 95 09:33:09 am

On the Wheel is a b-side to one of the 'Missing Link' singles.

Rick



>
> >Curve: On the Wheel
> >
> >so nothing a fan of either wouldn't have already.
>
> I used to be a fanatical Curve Fan, but completely gave up on them at Cuckoo.
> I think they were a better studio band when Dean and Toni's bo played all
> the Guitar parts. They never strummed the damn things they just turned 'em
> up to 11 and jumped on for a ride, pointed them at pain. I once drove from
> Portland to San Fran just to see them live and they pretty much sucked. I
> can handle a rhythm section on DAT, but not gtr!
>
> Anyway, tell where "on a wheel" is from. I'm curious, and unfortunately
> ignorant at this point.
>
> Bye,
>
> thrifty orbit
>

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 10:03:03 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: EBTG and mark eitzel (sp?)

              Nov 19, 95 00:03:58 am

I just feel the need to clarify this one:

Mark EITZEL started this solo acoustic tour thing (between mssrs eitzel
and kozelek).

And for anyone who hasn't seen a Mark Eitzel acoustic show, its a
religious experience.  Or as a friend of mine described the Tindersticks
show two days ago: scary good.

Rick


>
> what isup with mark american music club doing a solo tour?? and opening for
> everything but the girl?? granted, I am not upset, by far, I have front row
> seats, so close I'll be able to count every bump on tracey thorn's nose, but
> I just found out about mark opening... I'm thinking mark red house painters
> goes off on his little solo tour, so now mark american music club is doing it?

> anyone know about this, or seen the show? Is there a mark e. solo album in the
> works or something???
>
> isalai oooray
>

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 18:54:43 CET
From: "Gaveston, Gaveston, I'm hooked on you" (ADAMRADV@PLEARN.BITNET)
Subject: Re: John Cage, anyone?


Paul Spirito wrote:

"I was wondering if anyone else on this list liked Cage (and agrees with the
"4adesque association), and also if there were other pieces that would
"normally be pegged classical that listmembers would be interested in (Harold

Yeah, I'm very much into Cage and all the New York Minimal/Fluxus stuff.
I love Meredith Monk (who was on concert in Warsaw just a few weeks ago with
a hall full of fans!), Steve Reich and Ph. Glass a bit too.

Actually 4AD of 1980's is quite close to many 'contemporary classic' composers
just look at HM Gorecki or Gavin Bryars: I think it's the same public that
listens to them that goes to DCD gigs or swings to TMC noises.

As for Messiaen, he may be found a bit more difficult because of the large
intellectual basis of his musical style, but some pieces could get an easier
audience too.

And don't forget Arvo Part: every concert of his music in Warsaw sees the
concert hall full of goths who otherwise would never frequent this place!

Adam Olszewski
adamradv@plearn.edu.pl

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:33:10 -0600
From: Holly Emmer (hemmer@RRGROUP.COM)
Subject: Songs on 2 DCD boots


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Hi.  Some people on this list wanted to get a list of the songs (as liste=
d) on the 2 boots I have.  So...=20

Meditabor - recorded live in Detroit - 1994
The Arcade
Ocean
The Children's Toys
Advent
The Cardinal Sin
Flowers of the Sea Circum
Catara
Eden
Orbis de Ignis
kadath
Garden of Refuge
Convict of Sin
Sevrance
Musica Eternal, Carnival of Light, Adnajc
Noctambulist
Dreams Made Flesh
The Host of Seraphim
Indoctrination
Sea of Tears
Nacht der Himmel (by POPOL VUH)

Dark Christ-Mas - recorded in Belgium - 1993
Amelia
Lost Treasure
Cantara
Ignis Factuus
Mourmer Rose
Forest of Souls
Severance
Xerophyte
Karath
Empty Dreams
Ichor
Yuycinga
Eternath Beauty
Garden of Refuge
The Song of Sibgh
Crystal Palace
Angel Tears


bye,
Holly=20
p.s. if there is an attachment with this email, ignore it.
It's just a MIME thing that gets mixed up for UUENCODE
people!


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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:24:22 EST
From: Grover Cleveland (bwilliam@FOGELSON.CSF.EDU)
Subject: Harold Budd


    Recent discussion of Harold Budd has prompted:

    A completely unsolicited but moderate review of the album _She is
a Phantom_ by Harold Budd and Zeitgeist. 1994 New Albion Records
(NA066CD)

    In my estimation, no fan of Harold Budd will *hate* this album.
Not taking up where any of his previous albums left off, _She is a
Phantom_ will probably generate mixed feelings. A good portion of the
disc is made up of good-as-ever Budd minimalism in a new context; the
context of piano (Budd), clarinet, flute, vibraphone, marimba, and
various percussion (the Members of Zeitgeist, Contemporary music
performers), all performed with the expected level of confidence and
command. And, a good portion of these instrumental passages are
short and pleasant albeit not as Budd-ly dissonant as, for example,
the better parts of _Lovely Thunder_. And, the form tends to be less
solid, and more like the meanderings of _The White Arcades_, but
that's where the similarities end.
    Major criticism: The tracks featuring Budd's poetry. First, the
poetry. I was disappionted in the inconsistency of his writing. A few
of the passages are quite effective, but are often followed by lines
leaving me puzzled about their inclusion. Try this passage from "And
Then I Alone":
    Her face is faint through the window--
    The glass is obscured--
    Encrusted by bad decisions.
    Angels in the crystal
    Messy evening sky
    Wounded
    A coat of laurel turned to glass
        and then at the speed of
        surprised light my fingers
        are vapors of laurel
        like that flick by Orson...

    "Like that flick by Orson?" IMHO, a passage ruined by a single,
misplaced, awkward line. Possibly worse still is the inept snare drum
playing violently in the "background," obscuring much of what Budd is
saying (unless you are reading along with the lyrics in the booklet).
    Bottom line: if you dig on Budd's poetry and you've liked his
other releases, you will probably enjoy this album. If you don't find
his writing of merit, then program those tracks out on your CD
player, and you'll end up with a good, fairly even Buddscape in an
unfamiliar hue.
    Hope that helped someone!
    brian..
    bwilliam@fogelson.csf.ed


Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:21:56 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: MIME things...


>p.s. if there is an attachment with this email, ignore it.
>It's just a MIME thing that gets mixed up for UUENCODE
>people!

So why do you send it anyway?? I am recieving those attachments a few times
per week on my desktop (Mac) and have to drag them into the trash to get
rid of them, is this some kind of silly Windows thing? Can't you stop it?

!eyb

Emiel (so am I an UUENCODE person? :)


Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 19:14:56 -0700
From: "M. Wade Chamberlainn" (chamberlainw@YVAX.BYU.EDU)
Subject: bros. quay


I know (I'm pretty damn sure) the bros. Quay (of HNIA videos) made a full
length film.  I think I saw some of it on USA Up all night of all
things.  If anybody knows anything about this or other 'Quay stuff please
let me know.


Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 21:42:30 -0500
From: firebrat (cbayard@SAS.UPENN.EDU)
Subject: Re: bros. quay

              "M. Wade  Chamberlainn" at Nov 19, 95 07:14:56 pm

in response to query about brother quay materials:

there are several videos, in fact.

there's two tapes that i know of. sorry i can't give precise track
listings. the names i remember are "the cabinet of dr. caligari" and
"night on crocodile st." i think those comprise the first two, and they
are both absolutely mindblowing. i could watch crocodile st. a thousand
times and still find new things, have new visions about it. very much
like hnia, appropriately enough....

they also did the tool video for "sober."

i walked into someone's living room a couple years ago and saw the second
half of the hnia vido by them. it was on some bizarre late night channel,
on right after pink flamingos by john waters, i believe! haven't seen it
since then, which is terribly unfortunate. anyone know where i could get
a hold of it?

if you enjoy the quay style, you also might want to dig up a czech film
called "alice" (you can probably guess what it's about) by their mentor,
jan szenkmeyer (sp?). slightly lengthy and slow, but hypnotic and twisted.


good luck searching...
clare

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 22:29:49 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: bros. Quay


I think the movies you are talking about are:

Cabinet of Jan Svankmajer
and
Street of Crocodiles (from 85 and 86, respectively)

they'e also done Rehearsals for Extinct Anatomies, This Unnemaeble Little
Broom, The Comb, and a few more.


Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:09:37 -0500
From: firebrat (cbayard@SAS.UPENN.EDU)
Subject: Re: bros. Quay

              19, 95 10:29:49 pm

doht-
 my ambiguous memory for names served the bros. videos poorly-

cabinet of szankmeyer, of course.

are you sure they were that long ago?

clare

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 20:21:24 -0800
From: thrifty orbit (prr@SIRIUS.COM)
Subject: Re: Curve


>On the Wheel is on the blackerthreetrackertwo CD single for missing link,
>the other song is triumph.
>joey

Oh silly me, I've got the blackerthreetracker singles, but, on the wheel is
on the first one of mine. I'd forgotten about these, and double silly me I
actually like the song, kinda catchy techno-pop, where she keeps singing
that chorus "I'm on the wheeeeeel," that might be the one. So often songs
become track numbers to me. And both those singles were really almost pure
crud. 'specially #2
So as not to be negative entirely (it just breaks my heart when a band that
i get blown away by goes sour) Do all of you curveys have the Fait accompli
single? IMHO it has two of the best Curve ditties ever released (for promo
only) Arms Out and Sigh. That's tracks 4&5. I mention this also because #5
is very thislisty.

>"On The Wheel" is from the Blackerthreetracker EP, which contained a
>remix of "Missing Link" and another track entitled "Triumph".
>
>BTW, on a Curve-related note, Toni Halliday sings vocals on a recent
>track by Leftfield entitled "Original". It's okay...nothing major.
>Mike
How about her vocals on the Recoil album of a few years back? Pure sexual
genius.

Wow you guys are fast!
Bye,

thrifty orbit

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:32:04 -0500
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: bros. quay full length film


as far as i know the are currenyl filming a full length film in mostly black
and white. starring alice krige (who was in ghost story among other things) i
have seen several stills in an issue of the FACE about a year ago. i know it
is a british release bvut i do not know when it will be here in the US

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:32:11 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: Re: bros. Quay


> my ambiguous memory for names served the bros. videos poorly-
>
>cabinet of szankmeyer, of course.
>
>are you sure they were that long ago?

hey clare.  according to the Web Movie Index (or whatever it's
called), 85 and 86 are the years for those two movies. Some
go back earlier than that, and there was one listed for
95 as well.

mike


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