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Subject: and to make up for that last note
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 05:44:19 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Kissing the Pink (NON 4AD)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:54:25 -0800
From: Greywolf (greywolf@ANNA.AZ.COM)
Subject: Re: TMC IN N.O./HOLY SINGLE The Ryko Story
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 23:29:55 CST
From: Steven W Hill (shill@HARPER.CC.IL.US)
Subject: Throwing Music-- _Holy Single_
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:54:49 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cath Carroll/Hector Zazou
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 02:06:50 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Throwing Music Newletter
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 22:36:16 -0800
From: Snarlo (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: to the girl who owes me the V23 book
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 23:02:11 -0600
From: John Monroe (5ES8MONROEJ@vmsa.csd.mu.edu)
Subject: Re: i 2nd attempt...
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:30:19 -0600
From: Terry Collins (ispy@OAK.NCC.UMN.EDU)
Subject: FTWW??
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 03:17:43 -0500
From: Hement Gopal (090GOPAL@UWCC.CC.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: Kissing the Pink
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 02:48:28 -0500
From: "Francis X. Connor" (waxtrax@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: RHP Seatle show
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:00:26 -0800
From: Elvia Maree Tarango (elvia@uclink3.berkeley.edu)
Subject: Re: hello!
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:17:27 -0600
From: Loomer (ST5SD@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Slug and Lettuce
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 23:31:31 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Just one question....since when is 4AD a Christian label?!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 00:13:13 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Jesus Christ, it's FSA!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:09:56 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: good godfearin' music/TMC cover girl
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 06:51:16 -0500
From: hapax legomenon and on (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Just one question....since when is 4AD a Christian label?!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 15:01:45 +0100
From: snailhead (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: Hector Zazou?
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:00:09 -0500
From: Michael N Schlesinger (mns6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: throwing music
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:16:17 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.COM)
Subject: Tone/Unrest question
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 10:14:36 -0500
From: Steve Willett (willett@NI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Simon Raymonde solo project.
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:25:33 -0500
From: "[Deleted]" (robertfo@UOGUELPH.CA)
Subject: trickery?
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 06:56:05 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: hello! (or 4ad and christianity)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 22:07:44 +0100
From: snailhead (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: New Frank Black album...
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 18:54:31 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: hello!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 10:51:05 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: hello! (or 4ad and christianity)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 13:51:32 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Interesting Bay Area Events
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 14:07:01 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: hello!/st. etienne's too young to die.
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 18:16:07 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: hello! (or 4ad and christianity)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:35:04 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: 4ad: deal on hnia - hiiyh
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 19:57:16 -0700
From: drew schwickerath (schwicke@CS.COLOSTATE.EDU)
Subject: Re: St Etienne, Otherness
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 22:59:08 -0500
From: Chris Hiebert (SNFLDFAN@AOL.COM)

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:26:01 -0500
From: anaconda (anaconda@wwa.com)
Subject: well.........a bit of trickery


in defense of einexile (who can be a pleasant bastard ;') )

when those of you willing to bitch and whine start to post
info such as the following, your whining and bitching
might carry some weight.........

-------- Forwarded message --------

Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 05:44:19 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: and to make up for that last note


Nothing gets me truckin like a little guilt. :)


Mojave - Ask Me Tomorrow
------------------------
 1. Love Songs on the Radio
 2. Sarah
 3. Tomorrow's Taken
 4. Candle Song 3
 5. You're Beautiful
 6. Where Is the Love
 7. After All
 8. Pictures
 9. Mercy

It may be true that nothing can beat Pygmalion--in fact I'll give it away
and confirm that fact: nothing can beat Pygmalion. But this is one hell
of a country and western album. We start with the infamous track everyone
wanted the new comp for, even though you all pretended you cared about
Scheer and Tarnation. Love Songs on the Radio's intoxicating quality does
not suffer with age from diminishing returns. It remains the closest
thing to sex in a bottle this side of the 5ep, those strums carrying you
along, Rachel more prominent than ever before, the bendy guitar like
nothing you have ever heard before. It is bore beautiful than any Simon
Bonney, Nick Cave, Red House Painters, or The Moon Seven Times (well,
there are some DAMNED good M7x songs on 7=49) that come to mind. The
songs lingers and lingers and then ends, and we start slowly into Sarah.
Now we have piano, generous and full but not stealing the show. The
percussion on this album is largely brushed snare, very nice with classy
cymbals all over, the beats commanding some but not all of your
attention. jOHN unfortunately will HATE this album since I am about to
compare it to the brilliant DARKLANDS. Not really, but it has some of
those same nice qualities. Sarah is soft and sweet and innocent and
short, a sad little Neil lament, before begins Tomorrow's Taken, a
fucking work of art. It is SO goddam great. Rachel again, her voice
deeper, full and sexy. Rhythmic piano and more of those gorgeous bendy
guitars. The harmonies come in and the song is just heaven. We are
moving fast now, faster than you might expect. The singing becomes
sadder, more pensive, and the song cuts off, slowing to a long epilogue
with a stunning, subdued cello melody. Here as in other places on the
album, we hear Neil singing near the back of the room as if was not meant
to show up on the recording, or even is a ghost. The epilogue goes
further and then winds down. I think this may be the best song on the
album.

No, this is. Candle Song 3. Gentler than the previous tracks, and a
genuine duet between Neil and Rachel. Ivo Lorelei's disinterest in the
harmonies on this album are, I'm sorry, DEAD WRONG. The vocal harmonies
on this album blow the M7x and their rubber duck out of the bathtub. This
is the best duet I can remember. We are moving slowly through this
genuinely heartbreaking song with a sweet guitar melody plucking back and
forth. Then the harmonies pick up, the percussion becomes more
interesting, and the song goes full rhapsody. Still slow, but so rich and
with such power. There is nothing like this album anywhere. Neil and
Rachel are out in full force, hiding nothing. We begin You're Beautiful,
just Neil with delicate, complex picking. This record has an amazing flow
to it. The cello comes in. Rachel comes in. The song retains its modest
tone, dipping into interludes and back out, then ends peacefully. Where
Is the Love starts in another full duet, piano and strum. The songs on
this album are so basic and simple, so frequently returning to the tonic,
but so original and pretty and pure, traveling between sections with
such confidence. The chemistry between Neil and Rachel is different here;
more anguished, they resonate strangely. The effect throws you off; the
song seems almost carelessly put together, but it is at the same time
lively and healthy.

After All has Neil almost alone again with his guitar, the piano winding
behind secretively, then full instrumentation comes in, including the
cello. Neil is becoming more emotional as we near the end of the album.
Guitar picking drops through like a subtler Sundays moment. Rachel again
accompanies him, though Neil continues to dominate the song. I feel for
him on this track. He is very convincing, all the more so because he
seems not only to be speaking for himself, but for us all. When he has
said his piece the song vanishes. Pictures begins with another very
pretty picked melodies. Some of you may be shocked but I saw it coming:
Neil Halstead has turned into James Taylor! He really kind of sounds like
him here. The harmonies are gorgeous on this track, the pickings tricking
us to stumble into unexpected chords. This song is also unique in that he
is harmonizing with himself--something he does quite beautifully and
should probably do more often. The song draws to a slow close, as classy
as ever, then bangs in Mercy, slow and quiet at first, but this is the
make no mistake about it end of the album song, as it should be. Already
it vibrates with some kind of power. It is the harder edge to the snare,
perhaps. And to the strum. it is more raw. Neil sings alone and is joined
by Rachel. Blammo, anthem time. Tonic, tonic, tonic. We even have some
distorted guitar here. It's goddam great. It's so simple and so perfect
and it just sweeps you away with it...but wait, chill, we have some
business to take care of. Nice slow bits here and there. This is one heck
of a little story they're hinting at. Always hinting. The power of the
song is unleashed, all class and restraint but such power and passion. As
perfect an ending as was the beginning.

I apologize for the plodding song-by-song rundown of the album but
thought as much specific information as possible might interest a lot of
people as this record seems to be the source of a lot of anxiousness, as
it should be. :) Trust me, you will NOT be disappointed, and if you are,
then you are HOPELESS! The album comes out October 17.

Sorry if the track listings annoy anyone but I like it when people post
that stuff. :)


Tarnation - Gentle Creatures
----------------------------
 1. Game of Broken Hearts
 2. Halfway to Madness
 3. The Well
 4. Big O Motel
 5. Tell Me It's Not So
 6. Two Wrongs Don't Make Things Right
 7. Lonely Lights
 8. Gentle Creatures
 9. Listen to the Wind
10. The Hand
11. Do You Fancy Me
12. Yellow Birds
13. Burn Again
14. Stranger in the Mirror
15. It's Not Easy

I was wrong about this band, largely. Remember when your parents or
someone made you listen to their shitty country records and you thought,
"Why is this so damned happy sounding? Why are the lyrics so fucking
shallow??" You wanted the song to be genuinely pretty and sad, but it was
cheezy and uncompelling. THIS, my friends, is the album you always wanted
your lame parents to make you listen to INSTEAD. I reject the David Lynch
comments as David Lynch draws his material from established camp staples
and never tried to create something genuinely moving or beautiful in his
life. His work is poisoned by self-parody and hatred for good art and
culture. Tarnation is not a joke. There are many influences here, but I
think they are serious. They are used for serious purposes. Tarnation are
a band that knows what works and has decided that certain classic
elements should not be written off simply because they are old or
overused. The steel guitar and country style are here, the Patsy Cline
(no i cannot spell her name) vocals, but at the same time you have some
thoroughly modern guitar picking and cool strum, HONESTLY cool, not
stupid and campy! You people do not get it! Just as you mistake kitsch for
good camp, you mistake brilliant art for silliness. HERE, is BRILLIANT
ART. Well, not really but it is a dark and mostly beautiful and moving
album with definite purpose, based in realism--not surrealism--and
achieving that purpose very effectively if you can meet it at the level
on which it actually operates. The song off the sampler no longer
irritates me in the context of this album. The album DOES have a context
and it works, and there are some breathtaking songs on here: Game of
Broken Hearts and Lonely Lights especially. Two Wrongs Won't Make Things
Right is also very effective, with a classy guitar solo. OTOH, this album
has its problem, mainly the vocals of one Michelle Cernuto and one
Lincoln Allen. Get these people the hell away from the mic! For God's
sake, what are you doing!? The entire album is beautiful and magical and
deep and serious, and then they let these two fucking JOKERS, IDIOTS, to
the front of the stage and COMPLETELY RUIN IT! Thank GOD for programmable
CD players. UGH. The rest of the album is sung by one Paula Frazer who
has one hell of a gorgeous voice and knows exactly what the hell to do
with it. Lonely Lights is just her and a guitar in Warren Defever's
basement and let me tell you THAT is where the future of this band ought
to be. Lincoln and Michelle may well contribute to the great songwriting
here and there...but well, I have made my point. I am happy--nay,
enchanted--damned enchanted!--with this album, but these little earsores
really, really fuck it up for me. They ruin the album. Somebody better
get with the program cut out those two wankers' vocal cords! Let me
reiterate that this album is worth buying for the artwork alone, or at
least worth telling other people to buy for the artwork alone if you
think the album is great anyway. :) It's not as pretty as King maybe, but
i *really* like the King artwork.


Air Miami - me. me. me.
-----------------------
 1. I Hate Milk
 2. World Cup Fever
 3. Seabird
 4. Special Angel
 5. Afternoon Train
 6. Dolphin Expressway
 7. Sweet as a Candybar
 8. You Sweet Little Heartbreaker
 9. Neely
10. Bubble Shield
11. Event Horizon
12. Definitely Beachy
13. Reprise

Yes! Yes! Yes! Air Miami kick ass! Who would have known that members of
Unrest were capable of writing real songs? You Unrest people...bleagh. I
know you all think Air Miami suck: I think they ROCK. All the cool shit
you got with Unrest, plus real songs, cool songs, pretty songs, attitude,
fun songs, new wave songs, party songs, more attitude, and no stupid test
tones or the same chord strumming over and over for 40 minutes. Thirteen
songs, a generous helping, but a little too short considering what a
fun, cool ride it is. Better yet, they really have put work into this.
You can tell that even in its less serious moments care has been taken
with the mix and writing and vocal nuances.

Okay, a quick run through of the songs: I Hate Milk, an evil little pop
song that rocks. World Cup Fever, the mysterious lost Dead or Alive song!
names anymore.) Lots of pretty sevenths. Borderline brilliant. Did I
mention this album has a cool cover? :) Special Angel, a pretty duet,
sad, psychedelic and cute. (Why did I completely ignore it the first four
times I listened to this?) Unrest fans, beware! Here comes more great
songwriting! Actually, in this very song: bonus great songwriting, but
just wait for the next song. :) Have you ever seen so many smileys in one
review?? :) Are you not convinced to avoid this album at all costs?? :)

Afternoon Train, more of the girl, more pretty sevenths, tacky drum
machine which you i LOVE. :) Dolphin Expressway, which I already said I
loved, great stuff. Sweet as a Candybar, sounds like a bad Bauhaus demo
with Stereolab Chyck singing over it, confused by bad acid--stupid but
short and worth the trouble. You Sweet Little Heartbreaker, a rock song,
bang bang bang, punky and fun, silly. Neely, very Unresty but with real
music, hehehe, surf music with cursing. Even when Air Miami are stupid
and lame, they are much cooler than Unrest. :)

Bubble Shield, a classic, best song on the album, extremely pretty,
beautiful in fact. The Event Horizon, also very pretty but corny and
creepy in a seventies way, or a Lush way? I can't tell. Definitely
Beachy, kind of like a good Unrest song but with structure and high and
low points, nice mellow atmosphere to it. Reprise, just a cute, nice
instrumental, very effectively sad. I never was going to give this band a
chance but all you Unrest fans hated them so much I thought I would give
them a try and now aren't you sorry! Air Miami have a champion and
apologist and YOU have created him! Muahahahaha.


Facing the Wrong Way
--------------------

Nothing much to say about this since it is a piece of SHIT and almost
exactly the same as the piece of SHIT us lousy Americans got. The artwork
is a little prettier, but prettier than what? Actually I am being hard on
it because I thought it contained a new Throwing Muses song and it does
not. Here is what it does contain: good news, and bad news. The Scheer
song is good, relatively speaking. Not great, but a fitting replacement
for Belly at this point. I'm serious about that. It's about mid-level
King material, and if the whole album is this good I will buy it and
enjoy it (or get a free copy and enjoy it, hehehe). The singer is kind of
cute. I kind of dig on her voice. I can't place the quality but she
reminds me of someone. More good news, or at least interesting: Love
Songs on the Radio was written by Neil Halstead. I was kind of wondering
who was writing the new stuff and I guess it's Neil so that's cool, but
kind of weird. Heidi Berry song is crap, but who cares. :) The law of
Heidi Berry: for two minutes she's the cat's meow, then she's barf on a
stick. Yuck. That leaves the Kim Deal song, The Amps or whatever, which
is AWFUL. It sounds like Jefferson Airplane listened to too much Nine
Inch Nails and then had a bad trip and came onstage after Jimi Hendrix
and felt they needed to one up on him. I have heard my share of demos,
and this one is right up there with those Metallica demos they included
on b-sides from the singles for the last album. I mean I have not have
friends whose demos were this poor. It is a careless, worthless piece of
shit and she should be hanged for it, and I mean that. After listening to
this once I was genuinely offended. On second listen, I now am on the
verge of seriously hating Kim Deal. What the hell happened? Basement 4
track version my ass. This couldn't have been recorded on a medium
quality walkman. I hate to end on a sad note, but there it is: the fall
of Kim Deal, unless you know something I don't know. But I probably don't
care either. :( In closing, so that it is a happy closing, I want to say
that I have finally almost fully acquainted myself with the second
Autechre album and think that is it a true masterpiece of the genre up
there with Selected Ambient Works Volume II, Bytes, Orbital 2, Virtual
State, and 5ep...and I don't even like it as much as I am going to yet.
So Mr. Norman, if you are out there, you were right, and I do stand
corrected. :)

Wow, this is quite a long message. Sorry! Haha. Actually they are only
going to get longer and longer so hold on to your hats boys and girls. Oh
yes--and don't see Waterworld, it sucks! I finally found that out. hehehe


 einexile, truly an enemy of the people

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:54:25 -0800
From: Greywolf (greywolf@ANNA.AZ.COM)
Subject: Re: Kissing the Pink (NON 4AD)


On Thu, 16 Nov 1995, Nadim Baki-Zada wrote:

> Wow! I thought I'd never hear anyone mention them ever. I have been fascinated
> by "Watching their eyes ever since a friend of mine taped it for me back in
> 1987 or something. Can anyone tell me if they have any CD stuff still
> available anywhere?
>
> NB

Yes, they have an album called "Certain things are likely" under their
second band name "KTP".  I've seen this around our town and understand
why it's still floating around (although i'm sure they've stopped
pressing it).  It stinks.  Sounds nothing like their first effort.

The original album "Naked" under the name "Kissing the Pink" is
*fantastic* IMO, and relatively rare (while it can be found on cassette,
i'm beginning to think cd is impossible).

Also, they're rumored to be working on a new album...


Rann

         // greywolf@horizon.wa.com / rannster@henson.cc.wwu.edu //
   "The world is your exercise-book, the pages on which you do your sums.
   It is not reality, although you can express reality there if you wish.
   You are also free to write nonsense, or lies, or to tear the pages..."
                                                        --  Richard Bach


Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 23:29:55 CST
From: Steven W Hill (shill@HARPER.CC.IL.US)
Subject: Re: TMC IN N.O./HOLY SINGLE The Ryko Story

              "SortSol@AOL.COM" at Nov 16, 95 7:07 pm

> Are Kristin Hersh/Throwing Muses now officially on RYKO in the U.S.? Have
> they left Sire? I finally got the "Holy Single". Brilliant!! The version of

I'm surprised nobody posted this yet.
Reproduced from the new Alternative Press Dec 1995 without permission:

 Throwing Muses recently severed ties with their label Reprise and have
formed their own label, Throwing Music. After various contractual
disputes with Reprise, as well as an increasingly insurmountable debt
brought on by Throwing Muses' records not selling as well as expected,
the band presented the label with an ultimatum stating that if the last
Muses record, University, did not sell a specific amount of copies, then
the band would be released from their contract. It didn't, and they were.

 "I never really thought we were a major-label band," says Muses leader
Kristin Hersh. "But somehow, a long time ago, we convinced the major
label that we were. I mean, we would have to be idiots to think that the
Muses could have a Top-40 record."
 "We bear absolutely no animosity towards Warner Bros. at all," says
Billy O'Connell, Muses manager and Hersh's husband. "The main reason that
we won;t sign to another major label is because we were on the best and
we know what it gets you. Their schedule is too damn full."

 Throwing Music is a joint venture between the band and Rykodisc. The
first release will be a Christmas single from Hersh, due in November.
Featuring acoustic renditions of Big Star's "Jesus Christ," "Amazing
Grace," a version of the Muses' "Sinkhole" and a cover of the Carter
Family's "Will The Circle Be Unbroken?" and adorned with cover art
supplied by Hersh's two sons, the single will be released just as the
Muses retreat into Kingsway Studios in New Orleans to record their next
full-length release.
 "I'm thrilled about it, even though it doesn't change my life too much,"
says Hersh. "I do have the security as a bandleader that my band can
continue to exist. Plus, I get to do goofy shit like Christmas singles."

by Jason Ferguson

-----
That should explain everything!
-shill, sorry if there are any typos

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:54:49 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Throwing Music-- _Holy Single_


>Are Kristin Hersh/Throwing Muses now officially on RYKO in the U.S.? Have
>they left Sire? I finally got the "Holy Single". Brilliant!! The version of
>Big Star's "Jesus Christ" is a bit over the top, but Big Star's version is as
>well, so...
>
>At any rate, it had a "TM-Throwing Music" logo on the disc along with the
>Ryko logo. Sleeves are kinda weird... It almost looks like it could be a
>bootleg of a 4AD release (V.O. and Dave Narcizo were among a few credited
>with the design).
>
>THANKS,
>SortSol@AOL.COM

I haven't heard this recent TM release but, Throwing Muses' music
has always been published by Throwing Music.

I remember a few months ago that in an interview or from their
email information service Kristin said that they (I assume
she and her husband Billy [the internet freak]) would have their
own label and release their self titled album, _Chains Changed_,
and maybe _The Fat Skier_ (?) on it.
This is probably that new label, distributed and manufactured by Ryco.

I don't get their email info though, the address for it is in the FAQ.
um...  DaMuses@aol.com

-nck

"..well besides classes, I cook, eat, do some music, electronics, try
to keep up with the 4ad-l.."
that .sig with the "ball of cells" is the best! better than the
"that's cheese" and "open doc" ones.


Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 02:06:50 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cath Carroll/Hector Zazou


        Larry spake:
>There's a further complication in that there are two versions of "Sahara
>Blue". It initially contained vocal work by David Sylvian, but he decided at
>some point that he wasn't happy with his contribution and so his parts were
>taken off later versions and replaced with someone else's (can't remember
>who - possibly Siouxsie?). The first version is now only available in
>Australia, I believe.

        There are two releases of Sahara Blue but what i heard was this:
David Sylvian did not appear on the US release because Sylvian's record
label did not allow it.  In fact he does appear on the album (to a lesser
degree) credited as "Mr X".  I think the songs in which his presence was
unmistakable (i.e., the record company could sue) were removed and replaced
by other songs NOT by Siouxsie but by our esteemed Dead Can Dance duo.

-cz

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 22:36:16 -0800
From: Snarlo (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Throwing Music Newletter


thought you might all be interested in the following bit of information,

love,

Peter

>
>For those of you who didn't receive the newletter, you can get on
>their mailing list by sending a postcard to:
>
>PO Box 1287
>Newport, RI 02840
>
>Or by emailing DAMUSES.AOL.COM.
>
>The first newsletter was mailed to me on Nov 7, and I received it on
>the 11th.
>
>It's a photocopied page folded twice. On the outside on there is a
>birthday cake with one candle on it. There is also a picture with the
>words" WH-EE-EEE ARE WE CRAZY?" on it.
>
>On the inside the text is:
>
>Thanks for waiting...this was kind of a long time coming. We have
>lots of good excuses though...
>
>First the big news...Throwing Muses has left Warner/Reprise. The band
>has formed their own record company; the aptly named Throwing Music.
>We're currently negotiating an association between Throwing Music and
>Rykodisc that will allow all of you to locate Throwing Muses and
>Kristin Hersh releases even more easily than before.
>
>The Throwing Music label is celebrating it's own birth with a special
>release. The solo-acoustic Kristin Hersh is releasing a CD Christmas
>card of sorts on October 31, 1995. The disc consists of four songs,
>all vaguely spiritual in theme; Big Star's "Jesus Christ", Kristin's
>own arrangement of "Amazing Grace", "Sinkhole" a song about Florida,
>flooding and sin, written by Kristin and her father in 1980, and a
>version of the Carter Family's "Can the Circle be Unbroken". The
>title..."The Holy SIngle", of course.
>
>Meanwhile, Throwing Muses is pre-producing their next album at home
>in Newport, RI. The band will once again be recording at Kingsway in
>New Orleans from November 14th to December 21st, with the exquisite
>Trina Shoemaker ("University" engineer), and mixing the recording in
>January with the wildly talented David Bianco ("University" mixing
>engineer).  That stuff is tentatively scheduled for release sometime
>in the late spring/early summer of 1996.
>
>There is now a Throwing Music Hotline to satisfy your most desperate
>and acute Throwing Muses and Kristin Hersh informational needs.
>Callers will hear a message that will be changed monthly.
>
>The hotline number is (401) 849-2468...Bye for now.
>
>
>
>
>
>


Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 23:02:11 -0600
From: John Monroe (5ES8MONROEJ@vmsa.csd.mu.edu)
Subject: to the girl who owes me the V23 book


its been a freakin' _year_ since i sent you the money for that book,
seems you could have sent it by now!

really, apologies to this list, you don't deserve to have such drivel
so randomly distributed amongst you, but one of your esteemed members
has ripped me off and won't reply to any personal mail from me.

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:30:19 -0600
From: Terry Collins (ispy@OAK.NCC.UMN.EDU)
Subject: Re: i 2nd attempt...

              "Maura A. Smale" at Nov 16, 95 09:36:01 am

Here's an open question to all you 4AD people.  I asked this a while
back and got no response, so I'm tryin' again.  Who is the woman on
the cover of TMC's "Blood" CD?  I just gotta know!

  --iSpy--
        _
      _( )_          _
    _(     )_      _( )_
   (_________)   _(     )_   What dreams may come when we have
     \  \  \    (_________)  shuffled off this mortal coil?
       \  \       \  \  \
                    \  \

Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 03:17:43 -0500
From: Hement Gopal (090GOPAL@UWCC.CC.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: FTWW??


FTWW!!!! yep...shite it is

but the kendra smith track did a little something for mine head...so
the question is -  can someone shed light on her long player...is it
worth getting, what's it like?? (pvt emails welcome)

...and can someone pleeze pass the salt!!

sugar & spice dept
hemsy


Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 02:48:28 -0500
From: "Francis X. Connor" (waxtrax@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kissing the Pink


On Thu, 16 Nov 1995, Nadim Baki-Zada wrote:

> Wow! I thought I'd never hear anyone mention them ever. I have been fascinated
> by "Watching their eyes ever since a friend of mine taped it for me back in
> 1987 or something. Can anyone tell me if they have any CD stuff still
> available anywhere?

I remember seeing their _Certain Things Are Likely_ album on CD as a
cutout, but that was years ago.  So yes, they do have stuff on
CD--finding it is the tricky part.
 --Fran


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                Hope springs eternal in the human breast:
                Man never Is, but always To be blest...
                                        Alexander Pope, "An Essay on Man"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        I'm not Samuel Beckett, but I'm still waiting for good dough...
                                        Consolidated, "Dog & Pony Show"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  Fran Connor--M.A. Candidate, English Lit--George Washington University

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:00:26 -0800
From: Elvia Maree Tarango (elvia@uclink3.berkeley.edu)
Subject: RHP Seatle show


Someone mentioned the Seatle show on November 21st. I was curious to know
about the club and whether or not they knew if MArk and RHP had ever
played there before (?). Thanks!


Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:17:27 -0600
From: Loomer (ST5SD@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: Re: hello!


Just one question....since when is 4AD a Christian label?!

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 23:31:31 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Slug and Lettuce


>The Slug and Lettuce gets my vote for the worst
>pub name ever. Seemed like a good place, though,
>as far as I could tell, being there in the middle
>of a weekday. I'll bet it really rocks when 4AD
>closes up shop and Vaughan and Chris head on over.
>If you ever get by there, there's another good pub
>near the top of the hill where Alma Road hits another
>street. I remember having a pint and catching part
>of a cricket match there during the 13 Year Itch.

> What more stereotypically British thing is there? :)

Eehh, losing every non-friendly international football match!

++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++


Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 00:13:13 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Just one question....since when is 4AD a Christian label?!


>Just one question....since when is 4AD a Christian label?!

This occurred when Beggars Banquet started catering for Jehovah's Witnesses,
and the Pope subscribed to the indie-list.

Discussions include: Saint Etienne, Christian Death, Sisterhood, Sisters of Merc
,
God Machine, Godflesh, Pale Saints, Jesus and Mary Chain, Jesus Jones, Creaming
Jesus, Jesus Lizard, His Name Is Alive, The Young Gods and The Mission.

A good song to reaffirm your faith is "Heresy" by Christian Death. Although this
isn't
a 4AD band, it is a good start for your passage to greater being.

Seriously though, all faiths are catered for. The only prerequisite is a sense o
 humour....

Chris,
Thrown out the church choir for the garagy rendition of Godshit (Armageddon Dild
s)


.


Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:09:56 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Jesus Christ, it's FSA!


eric  wrote:
 >
 > i was just listening to fsa's version of the drowners when i
 > noticed that near the end of the lyrics, the singer (i forget
 > his name).  says something.  it comes at the point in the song
 > after he sings, "stop taking me over" for the last time, or
 > around 3:55 if you have a cd player, which fsa would, of course,
 > dissapprove of.  dependent clauses rock!  whatever he says is
 > not in the original.  does anyone out there know what he's
 > saying?  perhaps it could key us in on why fsa, the antithesis
 > of brit-pop, covered this song.  ideas?

I think he says something like "that's enough now, surely?".  I think
he/they probably covered the song because it's a good one - I know Suede
rapidly metamorphosed into something fascinating in an ugly way, but the
first three or four singles were actually pretty wonderful.

Emiel Efdee  wrote:
 >
 > Kristin Hersh The Holy Single
 >
 > Jesus Christ

Is this the Alex Chilton song?  (Starts "Angels from the realms of
glory, star shone down above", chorus "Jesus Christ was born today").
The Family Cat did a fine version of that song on a Clawfist 7", I
think it was originally on the infamous third Big Star album that Ivo
loves so much.

 > Amazing Grace
 > Sinkhole
 > Can The Circle Be Unbroken


--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 17/11/95
On my walkman this morning : Teenage Fanclub - Grand Prix
To lie before us like a land of dreams,

Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 06:51:16 -0500
From: hapax legomenon and on (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: good godfearin' music/TMC cover girl


>so
>what music do you guys listen to to reaffirm your faith?

Deicide.

>"why do children break toys?"

I dunno, but..."I love children, because when they cry, someone comes and
takes them away."

[TMC girl]
>so I'd say her name is Pallas Citroen and she's too
>beautiful

Hmm...that doesn't sound like it could be her real name, considering Citroen
(the French car manufacturer) had a model called Pallas once...

All this discussion of whether it's Tim or Jeff Buckley on the Tom Waits
tribute reminds me: there was talk some time ago of Jeff Buckley and Liz
Fraser recording something together. Did that ever happen, and if not, is it
still in the cards?

Larry

Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 15:01:45 +0100
From: snailhead (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: Just one question....since when is 4AD a Christian label?!


On Fri, 17 Nov 1995 Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM wrote:

> >Just one question....since when is 4AD a Christian label?!
>
> This occurred when Beggars Banquet started catering for Jehovah's Witnesses,
> and the Pope subscribed to the indie-list.
>
> Discussions include: Saint Etienne, Christian Death, Sisterhood, Sisters of Me
cy,
> God Machine, Godflesh, Pale Saints, Jesus and Mary Chain, Jesus Jones, Creamin

> Jesus, Jesus Lizard, His Name Is Alive, The Young Gods and The Mission.

Yep,but don't forget the wolfgang press'christianity
>
> A good song to reaffirm your faith is "Heresy" by Christian Death. Although th
s isn't
> a 4AD band, it is a good start for your passage to greater being.
>
> Seriously though, all faiths are catered for. The only prerequisite is a sense
of humour....
>
> Chris,
> Thrown out the church choir for the garagy rendition of Godshit (Armageddon Di
dos)
>
>
> .
>

guy


Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:00:09 -0500
From: Michael N Schlesinger (mns6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Hector Zazou?


On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, cz wrote:

> >Hector Zazou has made two albums, "Songs From the Cold Seas" and "Sahara
> >Blue."
> >Both albums are of the compilation sort, but with pretty clear central
> >direction from Hector Zazou. Sahara Blue is the first and has a more
> >industrial edge, the second album is more ethnically diverse. Take your
> >pick, they're both interesting.
>
> Hector Zazou has several albums, not just two.  Unfortunately i only have
> these two to compare.  I like them both but I find "Sahara Blue" a heck of a
> lot better than "Songs from the Cold Seas".  I think it is missleading to
> say that Sahara Blue is more industrial since neither of them are very
> industrial.  SB has more haunting songs and i'd say a bit dreamjazzier.  SB
> has Brendan and Lisa.  SftCS has Siouxsie on her continueing crusade for
> mediocrity.  SB is based on the poetry of Arthur Rimbaud so if you like that
> decadent french poetry (which i do!) then i'd recommend getting this album
> first.
>
> -cz
>
>
>
 I agree that SB is more interesting personally: there's a mixture of
male and female voices, the Gerard Depardieu vocal is cool, the Dead Can
Dance songs are a bonus. And there's a really cool almost bluesy track at
the beginning of side two (the cassette) with just great lyrics.

However! Songs From the Cold Seas, while it may have some really boring
vocals from Siouxsie and from Suzanne Vega (how could they not be?), it
also has a really beautiful vocal from this French woman whose name
eludes me, and the album as a whole is one great big tribute to the
woman's voice, which I particularly appreciated. It includes some lesser
known vocalists singing more ethnically diverse material.

Therefore, I stand by my opinion in the first mailing, take your pick,
both are interesting.

Michael

Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:16:17 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.COM)
Subject: throwing music


i thought someone had posted about this a couple of weeks ago, but here goes.

in the latest ap press, there was an article about throwing muses not renewing
their contract with sire.  i think they said they were tired of dealing with a
major label's ways.  anyway, they started their own label called throwing music.
i believe that the label's releases will be distributed through ryko.  they are
still with 4ad on the other side of the pond.  if anyone wants the exact info,
i will post it because the article was only one paragraph.

alan

Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 10:14:36 -0500
From: Steve Willett (willett@NI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Tone/Unrest question

              <951114205824_106663865@mail06.mail.aol.com>

> 4. The band TONE on Bruce Licher's IPR does contain Phil Krauth of Unrest. T
> or F? (i.e. I want to know)

Phil is indeed a member of Tone.  However, he didn't play on the 'Build'
ep that is out on IPR.


Steve @ Bedazzled

Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:25:33 -0500
From: "[Deleted]" (robertfo@UOGUELPH.CA)
Subject: Simon Raymonde solo project.


Hello there.

just rejoined the list a couple of weeks ago.  great post on mojave's new
disc.  i just can't wait!!!

anyway, when i was on this list eons ago, there was talk about a Simon
Raymonde album, in which vocals would be performed by some of his friends
(i.e., liz fraser, hamish macintosh of fuel......)

has anyone heard anything about a release date for this, or if it is actually
still going to happen?

any info appreciated!!

btw, for those of you who do not know who Simon is, he's the bassist for
the Cocteau Twins.

------------------------------------------------
Robert Foster.  Guelph, CANADA.
"Any opinions expressed here may not necessarily
 be those of my other personalities."


Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 06:56:05 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: trickery?


einexile wrote:

> yes--and don't see Waterworld, it sucks! I finally found that out. hehehe

I thought it was worth the price of admission strickly for the scene where
Dennis Hopper is trying to get information out of the little girl.  I enjoyed
this almost as much as the scene from "True Romance" with Christopher Walken.

"I guess that makes you part egg-plant!"


marvynHortman                  ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us


Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 22:07:44 +0100
From: snailhead (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: hello! (or 4ad and christianity)


On Thu, 16 Nov 1995, eric wrote:

> hi!  this is my first post to the list, and i'm subscribing because i heard
> Kristen Hersh's "the holy single."

Yeah,it's kinda good,isn't it.You ought to check out Throwing Muses,Kristin's
band.

>  a friend of mine told me that 4ad is a
> really great christian label, and gave me the address for your list.  so

You're friend is a kind of joker or what,or maybe you are.
4ad has nothing to do with christian religion.4ad is a religion
itself,I guess.

> what music do you guys listen to to reaffirm your faith?
>
     -dead can dance
     -Throwing Muses
     -Pixies
     -Breeders
     -Belly
     -Wolfgang Press (they actually HAD a single called christianity)
     -Pale Saints
     -Mojave3
     -Scheer
     -Air Miami
     -Kendra Smith
     -Tarnation
     -Kristin Hersh
     -Bauhaus
     -This Mortal Coil
     -..............
> thanks,
>
> eric
>
> "why do children break toys?"
>
Guy Vandekerckhove                      "Don't kill the god of sadness,
gvdekerc@eduserv.rug.ac.be               just don't let her get you down"
                                                     -KH-

Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 18:54:31 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: New Frank Black album...


This is something I have stolen from alt.music.4ad:


        >> Any news on whether Frank signed back with 4AD or if
        >> there's a new album due out any time soon?
        >> Please reply by e-mail

        >I'm replying here because perhaps folks are interested. The new
album is
        >called "The Cult of Ray" and is due in january. It's on American, rick
        >rubin's label. I have a press copy, it sounds good after a very cursory
        >listen: fewer or no keyboards, very live and loud guitar.  Hope
this info
        >is helpful.

        >Rag & Bone Shop Press
        >ragbone@echonyc.com



Emiel Efdee

the Netherlands, November 17, 1995
... efdee@luna.nl
... http://www.luna.nl/~efdee
... the other site: http://www.luna.nl/~efdee/Catalogue/4AD.html


Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 10:51:05 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: hello!


> Just one question....since when is 4AD a Christian label?!

        That's what our friend eric would like to know. GOD FORBID that
Kristin should put out songs that mention God & Jesus & the Saints on the
inviolable sanctum of secularity that our beloved label is!!
        (All irony intended)

________________________________________________________________________
= "The kids of today should defend ) "So we're complicated, so what?"  =
= themselves against the 70's!"    (  - His Name Is Alive, "Why People =
=  - Mike Watt                     )    Disappear"                     =
========================================================================
= "If life is a performance, and I am not an actor, am I supposed to   =
= lay down and die?" - Juliana Hatfield                                =
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 13:51:32 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: hello! (or 4ad and christianity)


>>  a friend of mine told me that 4ad is a
>> really great christian label, and gave me the address for your list.  so
>
>You're friend is a kind of joker or what,or maybe you are.
>4ad has nothing to do with christian religion.4ad is a religion
>itself,I guess.
>
i'm da joker, ya think.  maybe that's why there's a pale saints lyric in my
sig.  i just wanted to pull your chains a little bit.  because i've been
posting to the list fairly regularly for six months, i didn't think i'd get
away with something like that, but it was fun.  i was inspired by a guy
that posted to the suede list a month or so ago asking how to get ketchup
out of his suede seat covers.  plus, i thought of the possibility of
someone actually posting something like that, and it was just too humorous
to pass up.

and for those new to the list, my offer to dub j. cauty's ambient "space"
still stands.

thanks for the laughs,

eric

"why do children break toys?"


Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 14:07:01 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Interesting Bay Area Events


I opened up the Guardian last night and found several this-listy shows in
the near future around San Francisco.  I know some of them have already been
mentioned, but here they are:


and kinda thislisty (but not really):

Oh, and I asked this before, but no one responded.  Does anyone know if
there is going to be a That Dog. show in LA sometime soon?  I'm not going to
be in SF when they play on the 25th.

Jake


Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 18:16:07 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: hello!/st. etienne's too young to die.


In Message Fri, 17 Nov 1995 10:51:05 -0800,
  Micah Newman  blathered:

>> Just one question....since when is 4AD a Christian label?!
>
>        That's what our friend eric would like to know. GOD FORBID that
>Kristin should put out songs that mention God & Jesus & the Saints on the
>inviolable sanctum of secularity that our beloved label is!!
>        (All irony intended)

boy, i can't mention the c* word without you jumping all over me, can i?
first the attack on the "perversion" lyric in my sig, now this.  if you
have an axe to grind, you've picked the wrong stone, friend.  i was
merely mocking the concept of the christian record label (you don't see
"athiest" record labels, do you?) not the fact that kristin chose to
make a christian ep.  it's pretty funny that you sit at your computer
attacking the beliefs of a person you've never even met, or discussed
the subject with, for that matter.

on a more listy note, i picked up "too young to die" at the hefty import
price of $20.  i decided to give st. etienne a second chance, and i must
say, i'm glad i did.  this, my friends, is a great comp.  20+ songs of
brilliant dance-pop!  a bonus disc of remixes (one by the aphex twin)!
woohoo!  this takes away from the fact that i have an irish history midterm
on monday.  btw, do all of these come with a bonus disc, or did i make an
unwitting find?  the remix disc isn't mentioned anywhere on the packaging.

unfortunately, it looks as if this is the end for etienne.

"like coming from a cinema matinee into daylight, st. etienne strand you
blinking and disoriented, but happy.  and already you miss them, before they
even leave.  and yet you want them to leave, so that you can get on with the
serious business of missing them.  too late to say goodbye, but too young to
die; remember them this way."

reads the last graf of the notes on the back of the cd.  well-written, but
sad, nonetheless.  sigh.

eric, who's thinking of starting a jewish record label


Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:35:04 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: hello! (or 4ad and christianity)


<<<<

Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 19:57:16 -0700
From: drew schwickerath (schwicke@CS.COLOSTATE.EDU)
Subject: 4ad: deal on hnia - hiiyh


well, i just found a copy of his name is alive's "home is in your
head/dirt eaters" cd on ryko.  it is only $3.99.  i already have a
copy, but if there is anyone who is interested in it, i'll go back
tomorrow (or perhaps even sunday) to pick it up.  $3.99 + s/h
(probably a couple bucks - i'll check).  (please route requests to
schwicke@cs.colostate.edu, rather than to the list.  danke.)

this public service announcement brought to you by - drew


Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 22:59:08 -0500
From: Chris Hiebert (SNFLDFAN@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: St Etienne, Otherness


Anyone know if there are plans to release Sarah's solo work in the US? And
what does "Bob and Pete's new project" entail? Any details out there in the
great wide UK?

Chris, sheltered Kansas boy.


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