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Subject: Re: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:30:52 PST
From: Ron Jost (RON@SYBEX.COM)
Subject: Re: Fave TMC tunes
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 22:38:21 -0500
From: Suey (chon@VIRTU.SAR.USF.EDU)
Subject: help
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 23:16:58 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 and TMC box set
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 21:28:40 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Re. RHPs and Mark K. and 4AD
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 21:47:36 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Fave TMC tunes
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 21:51:48 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: NO WAY MAN; _BLOOD_ R U L E S !!!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 21:45:01 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: help
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 01:17:06 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 23:05:29 -0800
From: Peter Conroy (pconroy@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Oops & TMC (was: Re: help)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 02:15:43 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:23:19 CST
From: ariane181@DALLAS.EMAIL.NET
Subject: Re: sinkhole
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:05:03 +0100
From: snailhead (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: Mary Margaret O'Hara
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:37:21 +0100
From: Grant Goodes (ggo@CSD.CRI.DK)
Subject: Re: Merchandise List
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 04:52:37 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: St Etienne, Bjork, Bark Psychosis, Flamebait.
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:21:56 +0000
From: Jon Kvebaek (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Fave TMC tunes
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 07:03:42 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Oops & TMC (was: Re: help)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 07:22:06 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: St Etienne, Otherness
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:52:56 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: TMC/M. Hortman
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:53:28 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: i haven't been paying attention...
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:36:01 -0500
From: "Maura A. Smale" (mas5815@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Fave TMC tunes
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:15:03 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: hello!
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:54:23 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: hello!
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:55:23 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: hello!
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:15:05 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Kissing the Pink
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:45:50 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: Oops & TMC (was: Re: help)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:27:32 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Reply to Re. The TMC girl
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:12:59 -0600
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.MTI.CDC.COM
Subject: Re: Kissing to be clever
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:55:12 -0500
From: "tOM." (tom@BEAVIS.IRESEARCH.COM)
Subject: Re: KH Holy Single
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:30:36 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: KH Holy Single
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:57:44 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: FSA's "the drowners"
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:33:02 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Hello
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:22:20 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: Kissing the Pink
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:25:55 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Slug and Lettuce / Wanker
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:59:31 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Clue for the clueless?
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:37:21 -0500
From: Adam J Weitzman (weitzman@INDIVIDUAL.COM)
Subject: Re: the TMC goil
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:35:36 EST
From: William Bill (bwilliam@FOGELSON.CSF.EDU)
Subject: Re: i 2nd attempt...
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:18:44 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Re. RHPs and Mark K. and 4AD
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:48:21 -0800
From: Delphine Eunice Hwang (delfy@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints / Tom Waits
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:16:50 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: hello!
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 20:52:46 +0000
From: Jon Kvebaek (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: hello!
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:03:36 CST
From: Steven W Hill (shill@HARPER.CC.IL.US)
Subject: Re: non-cocteau liz fraSer vocals
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:33:11 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints / Tom Waits
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 19:59:18 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: TMC IN N.O./HOLY SINGLE
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 19:07:11 -0500
From: SortSol@AOL.COM
Subject: Cath Carroll/Hector Zazou
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 19:47:25 -0500
From: "Fred Garvin, male prostitute" (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 22:04:41 CST
From: ariane181@DALLAS.EMAIL.NET
Subject: Re: Naughty No. 23
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 19:10:15 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Brendan Perry
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 18:03:29 GMT
From: "Hugh O'Brien" (hugh@INTERNET-EIREANN.IE)
Subject: Re: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:15:42 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re. The TMC girl
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:21:07 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re[2]: Hector Zazou?
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:24:58 CST
From: thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:30:52 PST
From: Ron Jost (RON@SYBEX.COM)
Subject: Re: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals


> i am interested in collecting all liz frazer vocals on non-cocteau
> tracks. below is the list of all the tracks that i am aware of.
> if anyone has any comments or info, please share them w/ the rest of us:
>
> 1. this mortal coil--
> song to siren
> another day
> 16days, gathering dust
>
> 2. ian Mcculloch
> candleland
> heaven's gate
>
> 3. wolfgang press
> respect
> i am the crime
>
> 4. dif juzz
> love insane
>
> 5. Felt (one of my favorite bands)
> primitive painters
>
> 4. peace it-- be still
> the robin guthrie mix
>
> bahman
>

future sound of london - lifeforms 1-8
this is an ep that came out last year on Astralwerks, distributed by
Caroline.  liz does vocals on every track if I remember correctly.

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 22:38:21 -0500
From: Suey (chon@VIRTU.SAR.USF.EDU)
Subject: Re: Fave TMC tunes


can't forget the song with the best line in any song that i can think of...

"don't ask me now to wash away the grime, i can't come in cuz it's too
high a climb" - "morning glory", filigree and shadow

(anyone ever feel like that?  i do all the time... )


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SuJean Chon                                     New College Student Alliance
chon@virtu.sar.usf.edu                                          941-359-4267
Developmental Psychology                                  fax   941-359-4284
Sociology                           5700 N. Tamiami Trail, Sarasota FL 34243

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 23:16:58 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: help


******************************************************************************
soon@unm.edu         * MBV, Medicine, Seefeel * A.I.D.S. -> We are all
Will Coucheron-Aamot *   lovesliescrushing    *    infected because we
Delta Lambda Phi     * FSA, shiFt, Slowdive   *    are all affected.
******************************************************************************

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 21:28:40 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 and TMC box set


>  I bought my TMC box set in Albuquerque for around $33 (course, I worked
> at the store I bought it at, so....).  It's a good investment.  Really
> enjoyable to listen to, especially the Thais pieces, and that one that
> sounds like a ship in the fog (what was that called?  I want to say the
> Pierced Heart or somethign similar to that).  If you don't want to invest
> in the whole thing, just get Filigree and Shadow.  It hsa the above
> mentioned tracks.

        Heart of Glass... although I'm not positive that's the one with
the foghorn sounds. There're so many songs on F&S, it's hard to remember
which is which, especially the instrumentals. But that album really does
have a nice ambient flow for the last third or quarter of the way
through. I agree about Thais I & II, those lush keyboards with the
helicopter sound in the background are so soothing.
        But I actually like Blood better, I find it a bit more consistent
overall, more balanced and less 'bloated' than F&S. And really really
nice, too.

________________________________________________________________________
= "The kids of today should defend ) "So we're complicated, so what?"  =
= themselves against the 70's!"    (  - His Name Is Alive, "Why People =
=  - Mike Watt                     )    Disappear"                     =
========================================================================
= "If life is a performance, and I am not an actor, am I supposed to   =
= lay down and die?" - Juliana Hatfield                                =
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 21:47:36 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Re. RHPs and Mark K. and 4AD


>At 6:58 PM 11/14/95, Andrew Massey wrote:
>>>"The
>>>feeling we were getting from 4AD was that we couldn't go in a studio and
>>>have fun any more," said Kozelek.
>
>>Ha ha hah ha hahh ha haaaaahh haah hahhhhh ha ha ha ha hhhhhahhh. He's such
>>a happy chappy our Mark is, eh? Such a joker....

>your point being....?

        Yeah!! [ganging up] Don't EVEN fuck with Mark!!

You know, there are too many damn >'s in this thing by now.


________________________________________________________________________
= "The kids of today should defend ) "So we're complicated, so what?"  =
= themselves against the 70's!"    (  - His Name Is Alive, "Why People =
=  - Mike Watt                     )    Disappear"                     =
========================================================================
= "If life is a performance, and I am not an actor, am I supposed to   =
= lay down and die?" - Juliana Hatfield                                =
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 21:51:48 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Fave TMC tunes


> 1) It'll End In Tears ( one of the few songs that make me wanna cry no
>   matter how many times I hear it)
> 2) Another Day
> 3) Thais I & II
> 4) Mr. Somewhere
> 5) Tears (one of those short in-between tracks)
> 6) The Jeweller
> 7) Not Me

        HelLOOO! IVY & NEET?? PLEASE tell me you just forgot Ivy & Neet!

I'm posting like crazy now, but it's part of my post-midterm unwinding
process. Well, I've still got Physics and Astronomy to go, but I'm not too
worried about them.y

________________________________________________________________________
= "The kids of today should defend ) "So we're complicated, so what?"  =
= themselves against the 70's!"    (  - His Name Is Alive, "Why People =
=  - Mike Watt                     )    Disappear"                     =
========================================================================
= "If life is a performance, and I am not an actor, am I supposed to   =
= lay down and die?" - Juliana Hatfield                                =
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 21:45:01 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: NO WAY MAN; _BLOOD_ R U L E S !!!!!!!!


> Finally, in 1991, I saw "Blood" in a Tower Records in New Orleans; I
> bought it
> and have been completely in love with it ever since.  I almost don't

        OMIGOD! I bought my copies of both Filigree & Shadow and Blood at
that SAME PLACE!! I believe it was April 11, 1992. My High School Band
was on 'tour' there. I guess that makes me a young 'un being in HS that
recently. I sense almost everyone else here is quite a bit older than that.
Anyway, talk about coincidence. What are the chances that two people on
this list will visit the same Tower Records and buy the same album there??
And yeah, Blood does rule...
        I happened to be in possession of some amount of cash while I was
there, and I also bought CT's _Treasure_, Danny Elfman's _So-Lo_ (excellent
album), Siouxsie & The Banshees Peel Sessions (*raw* production, a gem
from just-after-punk, 1977-1978!), and They Might Be Giants' _Apollo 18_
at that very store. Just thought I'd throw that in.

________________________________________________________________________
= "The kids of today should defend ) "So we're complicated, so what?"  =
= themselves against the 70's!"    (  - His Name Is Alive, "Why People =
=  - Mike Watt                     )    Disappear"                     =
========================================================================
= "If life is a performance, and I am not an actor, am I supposed to   =
= lay down and die?" - Juliana Hatfield                                =
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 01:17:06 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: help


you need to send the help command to "listserv@american.edu" to get a list of
commands.
-cz

>******************************************************************************
>soon@unm.edu         * MBV, Medicine, Seefeel * A.I.D.S. -> We are all
>Will Coucheron-Aamot *   lovesliescrushing    *    infected because we
>Delta Lambda Phi     * FSA, shiFt, Slowdive   *    are all affected.
>******************************************************************************
>


Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 23:05:29 -0800
From: Peter Conroy (pconroy@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals


She also sings on The Bathers' "Sunpowder," though I cannot remember on
exactly which songs.

pete

On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, bahman wrote:

> i am interested in collecting all liz frazer vocals on non-cocteau
> tracks. below is the list of all the tracks that i am aware of.
> if anyone has any comments or info, please share them w/ the rest of us:
>
> 1. this mortal coil--
> song to siren
> another day
> 16days, gathering dust
>
> 2. ian Mcculloch
> candleland
> heaven's gate
>
> 3. wolfgang press
> respect
> i am the crime
>
> 4. dif juzz
> love insane
>
> 5. Felt (one of my favorite bands)
> primitive painters
>
> 4. peace it-- be still
> the robin guthrie mix
>
> bahman
>


Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 02:15:43 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Oops & TMC (was: Re: help)


>you need to send the help command to "listserv@american.edu" to get a list of
>commands.
>-cz

Ooops, of course i meant to send that to the list, right  ;) .  Actually, i
have seen a few listserv commands sent here, so it won't hurt to remind
people of what the listserv address is.

To add some actual 4AD content, i'll give my $0.02 worth on the whole This
Mortal Coil fave thing.

        Each of the albums have spent time being my favorite mortal coil and
i love them all BUT that doesn't help someone who doesn't know where to
start.  So what sets them apart from each other?

        1) *It'll End In Tears* has the "early 4AD feel" all over it. It's a
little rougher a little less ... something (i wanna say sappy but...).  The
highlights, though, are as high as ever.  Liz's decipherable songs have
never compared to "Song to the Siren" and the title track is great too.  So
if you like the early CT vs Treasure vs BBK era cocteau AND you like early
DCD vs Serpent's Egg vs recent stuff then you might like It'll End In Tears
best.
        2) *Filigree and Shadow* is the longest (at least it seems that
way???).  It's the most atmospheric with long instrumentals and where it
really is a great album that is very well crafted.  Most of the songs flow
very well from beginning to end.  It has the song "The Jeweller" that seems
to be a real crowd pleaser (i love it anyway).
        3) *Blood* has to be my favorite though because of the delightful
female singers Deirdre Rutkowski (sp?), Caroline Crawley (Shelleyan Orphan),
etc.  really do a great job.  "I come and stand at every door..."   Ahhhh.
Bliss.  A word of caution for those who's tastes are very sensitive to sap.
This album has the most of that "something" that "It'll End in Tears" didn't
have as much of.  I can't place it though, it might be the string
arrangements, maybe not.  It's very much a culmination of what This Mortal
Coil always had latent in it IMHO.  When i first got this album i listened
to it non-stop.  It blew me away the same way that His Name Is Alive's *Home
is in Your Head* did.  (therefore, maybe it's a good thing they didn't make
that next album, it might have been as much of a let-down as Mouth by Mouth
  ;)  )

If you think you're prone to like all of these disks (a requirement for any
die-hard 4ADer) then you might as well get the boxed set.  If that's not an
option, i hope my descriptions helped some of you to figure out the best one
*for you* to start with.

-cz   ... you can get a lot for $0.02 on the internet ...

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:23:19 CST
From: ariane181@DALLAS.EMAIL.NET
Subject: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals

              <199511151956.OAA128906@atlanta.american.edu>

i don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but liz sings on a medicine song
titled "time baby III"

trying to be helpful,
janice ariane :)

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:05:03 +0100
From: snailhead (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: sinkhole


On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Matthew Polder wrote:

> I noticed whilst perusing the eyesore database last night that Sinkhole
> was on one of the first Throwing Muses CDs. Is this the same Sinkhole
> that's on the new Kristen Hersh Holy Single? Does anyone eat pomegranets
> anymore? Enquiring minds want to know.
>
> thanks,
>
> matthew
>
Right,but it wasn't a cd actually;it was on the demo tape they released
in 1985 (the one Ivo got in hands and made him decide to sign an
American band afterall (so said kristin in an inteview in MM))
And yes it is the same song as on the 'holy single',but it is a different
version.(the demo-version is backed by drums,bass and tanya.

guy


Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:37:21 +0100
From: Grant Goodes (ggo@CSD.CRI.DK)
Subject: Re: Mary Margaret O'Hara


jtgayton@polisci.wisc.edu wrote:
> I have no idea if it's still in print, but here's the US cat. info:  Virgin
> Records 91274.  It is genius.  If you like Lisa Germano and/or Kendra Smith,
> you really should check it out.  Check it out even if you don't like them,
> because she's better than they are.  Actually, those comparisons are
> probably not as good as Tarnation and Mojave 3.  There's definately a
> country feel to it.  Sort of a "deranged k.d. lang" vibe.  And what a voice!

It's unfortunately out-of-print, and yes, it is genius.  She
has an amazing voice.  I would compare her music somewhat to
the quirkiness (and somewhat shakey, slightly
out-of-tune-ness) of Jane Sibery.

> Contrary to at least one opinion, I don't think the album is just "Help Me
> Lift You Up" and a bunch of filler.  It is the best song (head and shoulders
> above the TMC version), but "To Cry About," "Body in Trouble," and "You Will
> Be Loved Again" are brilliant too.

Yes, I cringed slightly at message after message saying the
album was a one-hit-wonder.  The whole thing is quite
strong.  There was a video for "Body in Trouble", which is
primarily the divine Miss-O standing there having a caffiene
reaction while singing the song -- quite effective.

I have some annecdotes about MMO'H, since I lived in Toronto
where she sometimes plays.  The first is about "Miss
America" itself.  It seems that she is a bit (or a lot) of a
flake, and the album was bogged down in endless revisions,
and it looked like it would never be finnished.  Then,
someone brought in Michael Brook ('nother Canadian) to work
on the project.  He was credited by all involved with saving
the album, and making it coherant, etc.  General Goodness.

A local entertainment rag (Now Magazine) ran an article on
Mr. Brook, wherein he shyly denied that he had done all that
much for "Miss America", but saying he though MMO'H was
briliant.  One week later, they published a scathing letter
from Miss O'Hara (which I wish I'd saved) in which she
basically called Michael Brook a raving ego-maniac, and
saying that he'd been a heavy-handed dictator, coming in on
a nearly complete project, and tried to grab credit for work
that wasn't his, etc.  Somewhat contradictary, don't you
think?

I've seen Brook play in a small club, and he was extremely
quiet, self-efacing, and pleasant.  I've also seen MMO'H
play at a benefit concert for a local street-shelter, and
she was, to say the least, unstable.  Sort of a combination
"Glass Menagerie"/Scarlet figure.  She had endless
dificulties setting up her song, and there were various
thick undercurrents with the other musicians on-stage.

I also have a Christmas EP she released about that time, and
it too is good, but who knows why she hasn't released more
material.  By the way, she's got many talented siblings,
some of whom are probably more famous than she, especially
sister Katherine.

grant..

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 04:52:37 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Merchandise List


>Please send a merchandise list or any info regarding 4AD logo/pixies t-shirts,
> thanks Dave.

XAD95  Limited edition (100,000) "No Balls" T-shirt.  XL or XXL only.
Plain white T with v23 logo in small type where left pocket would be and No
Balls artwork (to scale) centered near the bottom of the front side.

Order now, don't be left "without no balls."

-cz

___<<<<<<<<<*********ckemnitz@students.wisc.edu********>>>>>>>>>___

"Like a diaphanous nightgown, language both hides and reveals.  There is no
way of getting at the naked truth, even if it's wearing the Emperor's New
Clothes, or the Empress's New Clothos.  We follow our Mother Tongue into
her boudoir, anyway, hoping for a glimpse of something never yet beheld-and
come face to face with our own reflections in her most private mirror,
veiled meanings in a gossamer heap on the floor."     -Karen Elizabeth
Gordon


Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:21:56 +0000
From: Jon Kvebaek (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: St Etienne, Bjork, Bark Psychosis, Flamebait.

              Bark Psychosis, Flamebait." (Nov 14,  9:04am)

On Nov 14,  9:04am, Andrew Norman wrote:
> Subject: St Etienne, Bjork, Bark Psychosis, Flamebait.
> Jens Alfke  wrote:
> >
> > Here's the track listing for "Independency":
> >
> > I Know                 [???]

>
> St Etienne - "Too Young to Die", the singles collection, is out now.
[snip]
> ripped off.  There's a distinctly "farewell" atmosphere to the whole
> thing - Julie Burchill's "you're gonna miss them" blurb on the back, the
> "thank you" list in the back, etc.  I wonder if they really will all get
> back together some day?

Well, according to The Chart Show  (whoops, there goes my indie cred)- the band
denided all rumours of splitting up. The lass who sings was about to embark on
some kind of solo project though.

Cheers,




--
Jon Kvebaek 

- Roy, I'm shining this torch into your eyes. Pupil dilation seems more
   evident. Good. Good.
                                    -Irvine Welsh, "Marabou Stork Nightmares"


Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 07:03:42 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Fave TMC tunes


> can't forget the song with the best line in any song that i can think of...
>
> "don't ask me now to wash away the grime, i can't come in cuz it's too
> high a climb" - "morning glory", filigree and shadow
>
> (anyone ever feel like that?  i do all the time... )

Yeah, back in the mid-80s, I was playing on a local BBS in Monroe, La. and
someone was asking if anyone could write poetry.  I started typing  "..I lit
my purest candle close to my window..." and typed the whole song in.  There
was silence for a few minutes then everyone started writing "wow, that's
incredible!  Did you just write that?"  I said "no, it's from a group called
TMC...blah blah blah."  It was kind of neat to see the reaction to the lyrics,
though.

Anyway, my favorite songs from each CD.

BLOOD
1) ..til I gain control again.
2) You and Your Sister
3) with tomorrow
4) Mr. Somewhere

F&S
1) My Father
2) Tarantula (just love that piano..regardless if this is Colourbox or TMC)
3) The Jeweller
4) ...all the ambient crap on the second half of the CD

It'll End In Tears
1) I forget the name: "..I didn't touch you..you didn't touch me"
2) Fond Affections (before the Santa Fe Cologne commercial)
3) Holocaust
4) Song To The Siren

Oh, and as long as we're on the kick "who bought what where"; I picked up most
of my Colourbox, Pink Dots, TMC, etc. at Kadair's in Baton Rouge; Woody Dumas'
record shop off of Chimes Street (before they kicked him off of KLSU because
of some issue about missing records and he moved to Oregon) and "New
Generations" back when they used to stock some pretty cool import titles.


marvynHortman                  ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 07:22:06 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Oops & TMC (was: Re: help)


> If you think you're prone to like all of these disks (a requirement for any
> die-hard 4ADer) then you might as well get the boxed set.  If that's not an
> option, i hope my descriptions helped some of you to figure out the best one
> *for you* to start with.


Alright, my last 2 bits and then I promise I'll shut up.

As an endorsement for anyone teetering on the edge; consider that I paid like
$15 apiece for tapes of the first two TMCs, (i actually made a dub of the
Filigree and Shadow tape to play for fear it would turn to chipmunks if I
played it too much...) then turned around and spent $20 apiece for CDs of
each, (domestic packaging of Blood SUCKS!  Don't be fooled into getting that
ugly yellow CD...) then paid like $50 for the box set when it rolled around.
That's how great this music is to me.  Most of the other music I have?  I'm
sorry I paid for it on tape or CD; let alone go out and buy it again if it got
stolen.


mH


Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:52:56 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: St Etienne, Otherness


Jon Kvebaek  wrote:

 > Well, according to The Chart Show  (whoops, there goes my indie
 > cred)- the band denided all rumours of splitting up. The lass
 > who sings was about to embark on some kind of solo project
 > though.

But that's what they always say.  I'm still waiting for the return of
Stump, who split up for a while to do their own thing, no bad blood,
would all get back in a short while to resume their Beefheart-with-a-
pint-of-Guinness career, etc.  About eight years ago.  I sincerely hope
that Bob, Pete and Sarah will all be back as Saint Etienne soon, but as
I said there's a definite "end of an era" feel about the greatest hits
album.  What's going to happen if Sarah's solo album makes her as big as
Mariah Carey, and Bob & Pete's new project becomes as successful as
Eternal?  Are they going to chuck it all in to go back to being a
moderately successful dance-pop-indie band?

Rodney Rodriguez  wrote:
 >
 > Stumbled accross "otherness" on 12" vinyl the other day.  Is
 > there a 2x7" version as well?  Just wondering.........

I was rather peeved about this - there is no 2x7 pack, just a 12".  Not
that I have ever played the 2x7 "Twinlights", but it's a nice package,
and it would have been good to have a similar format for "Otherness".

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 16/11/95
On my walkman this morning : Bjork - Post
To one another! for the world, which seems

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:53:28 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: TMC/M. Hortman


   I know TMC did a fine job with the Hobo...but the original line-up
for Blood Sweat and Tears put this out on "Child is Father to the Man"
in 1968 (an excellent album BTW).


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:36:01 -0500
From: "Maura A. Smale" (mas5815@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: i haven't been paying attention...


hi,

okay i've been really busy lately and haven't been paying attention much
so i'm pretty sure that this has already been discussed but i'd really
appreciate it if someone could enlighten me on this subject because i
just got the kristin hersh "hole single" ep and i'm dying of curiousity
to know *why* is this on ryko?!?!?!?!  and no mention of 4ad *anywhere*
(or sire for that matter)?!?!?!  i'm confused...please help!

love your fairy dogmother,
maura

we now have a new rule on the bus: passengers will refrain
from killing my soul! --stu the bus driver
        mas5815@is2.nyu.edu


Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:15:03 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Fave TMC tunes


>> 1) It'll End In Tears ( one of the few songs that make me wanna cry no
>>   matter how many times I hear it)
>> 2) Another Day
>> 3) Thais I & II
>> 4) Mr. Somewhere
>> 5) Tears (one of those short in-between tracks)
>> 6) The Jeweller
>> 7) Not Me
>
>        HelLOOO! IVY & NEET?? PLEASE tell me you just forgot Ivy & Neet!

I can't remember Ivy & Neet off the top of my head, but I'll take a listen
when I get home and let you know what I think.

One thing I forgot, though.  My favorite song title is:

The Horizon Bleeds and Sucks its Thumb

I'm quite positive I'm not the only one.  Anyone still have a copy of that poem?

Sunburst & Snowblind,
Jake

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:54:23 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: hello!


hi!  this is my first post to the list, and i'm subscribing because i heard
Kristen Hersh's "the holy single."  a friend of mine told me that 4ad is a
really great christian label, and gave me the address for your list.  so
what music do you guys listen to to reaffirm your faith?

thanks,

eric

"why do children break toys?"

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:55:23 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: hello!


>hi!  this is my first post to the list, and i'm subscribing because i heard
>Kristen Hersh's "the holy single."  a friend of mine told me that 4ad is a
>really great christian label, and gave me the address for your list.  so
>what music do you guys listen to to reaffirm your faith?
>
>thanks,
>
>eric

A little Bauhaus.  A little Samhain.  Ya know, the usual.

Jake

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:15:05 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: hello!


At 12:54 16-11-1995, eric wrote:

>what music do you guys listen to to reaffirm your faith?


Welcome Brother!

Well, Eric, we listen to things like Sisters Of Mercy, The God Machine,
Faith No More, The Mission, Jesus Jones, Christian Death, Dead Can Dance,
Frankie Goes To Holywood, Killing Joke, Maria Sex Garden, John Denver, a
lot of Death Metal and ofcourse Chistin Hersh.

Praise the Lot!


Emiel

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:45:50 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Kissing the Pink


Wow! I thought I'd never hear anyone mention them ever. I have been fascinated
by "Watching their eyes ever since a friend of mine taped it for me back in
1987 or something. Can anyone tell me if they have any CD stuff still
available anywhere?

NB

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:27:32 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Oops & TMC (was: Re: help)


RE "Blood":
> When i first got this album i listened
>to it non-stop.  It blew me away the same way that His Name Is Alive's *Home
>is in Your Head* did.  (therefore, maybe it's a good thing they didn't make
>that next album, it might have been as much of a let-down as Mouth by Mouth
>  ;)  )

Excellent description of the three, I'd say.  I liked everything you had to
say (except the Mouth by Mouth bit, it being my favorite HNIA album and all).
I'd like to add a little about the often-forgotten first TMC release,
"Sixteen Days - Gathering Dust".  "Song to the Siren" is on the B-side (same
as the version on IEIT), with the title track on the first side.  The more I
listen to it, the more I like it.  Very early 4AD-ish.  Come to think of it,
I think I like it better than Modern English's rendition.  I think Liz doing
the vocals on it just add a lot to it.

Jake

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:12:59 -0600
From: kjv@AQUARIUS1.MTI.CDC.COM
Subject: Reply to Re. The TMC girl

              <9511161713.msg.aa08184@relay-3.mail.demon.net>

>>Here's an open question to all you 4AD people.  I asked this a while
>>back and got no response, so I'm tryin' again.  Who is the woman on
>>the cover of TMC's "Blood" CD?  I just gotta know!
>
>I'm not actually certain of this, but I think I read that it is the same
>girl on all three albums and that she works in the pub across the road from

The one on It'll End in Tears is different...

>the 4AD/Beggars Banquet/XL offices, called the Slug and Lettuce. (The pub
>not her).
>
>I either dreamt that or read it somewhere - I've been meaning to go for a
>pint in there for a while....

THe box set lists the model in the credits.  I assume you're talking
about the short hair, dark eyed one.  One of her names was
very familiar but I forget.  Maybe someone at home could grab
their box set and look...

___________________________________________________________________
Kent J. Vanderwaal
kjv@mti.cdc.com

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:55:12 -0500
From: "tOM." (tom@BEAVIS.IRESEARCH.COM)
Subject: Re: Kissing to be clever

              13, 10:33pm)

On Nov 13, 10:33pm, Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM wrote:
> Subject: Kissing to be clever
>
> Kissing the Pink was a band (Watching their eyes 7" was brilliant) IMHO
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I have a KTP cd from several years back, but they were calling themselves
KTP there, not "Kissing the Pink".  Can anyone tell me more about them?  You
can reply directly 'cause from the KTP I have, they don't really fit this
list.

thanks.....

--
~~~~~~~~~~>>
tOM.                                                   tom@iresearch.com
                                                       www.iresearch.com
                                                                  _    .
"Occasionally, I tread water for three days in a row."       ((  ( )) o)
                                                            -|    ?    |-
   .   .                                                     (o ((_)  ))
513 321 8644                                                 .
   ^   ^

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:30:36 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: KH Holy Single


>Can someone please tell me what the track listing for this is?

Kristin Hersh The Holy Single

Throwing Music lable, distributed by RYKO (RCD5-1049)

Jesus Christ
Amazing Grace
Sinkhole
Can The Circle Be Unbroken

but I still don't know how they sound...

>Thanks...

Aah, it's nothing!


Emiel Efdee

the Netherlands, November 16, 1995
... efdee@luna.nl
... http://www.luna.nl/~efdee
... the other site: http://www.luna.nl/~efdee/Catalogue/4AD.html

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:57:44 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: KH Holy Single


        Can someone please tell me what the track listing for this is?
Thanks...

________________________________________________________________________
= "The kids of today should defend ) "So we're complicated, so what?"  =
= themselves against the 70's!"    (  - His Name Is Alive, "Why People =
=  - Mike Watt                     )    Disappear"                     =
========================================================================
= "If life is a performance, and I am not an actor, am I supposed to   =
= lay down and die?" - Juliana Hatfield                                =
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:33:02 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: FSA's "the drowners"


i was just listening to fsa's version of the drowners when i noticed that
near the end of the lyrics, the singer (i forget his name).  says
something.  it comes at the point in the song after he sings, "stop taking
me over" for the last time, or around 3:55 if you have a cd player, which
fsa would, of course, dissapprove of.  dependent clauses rock!  whatever he
says is not in the original.  does anyone out there know what he's saying?
perhaps it could key us in on why fsa, the antithesis of brit-pop, covered
this song.  ideas?

just-a-wonderin,

eric

"why do children break toys?"

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:22:20 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: Hello


I must say, dear ol Kristen is getting 4AD some bad vibes.
What's next? Father Ivo preaching the new faith through a fourth TMC album?
Maybe he'll start signing all those gospel bands that are flourishing
nowadays. Um, let's see, I must be in a specifically bad mood today to be
taking it out on everyone else, so please, nobody get offended by my touch of
sarcasm..

NB

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:25:55 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Kissing the Pink


You wrote:
>
>Wow! I thought I'd never hear anyone mention them ever. I have been
fascinated
>by "Watching their eyes ever since a friend of mine taped it for me
back in
>1987 or something. Can anyone tell me if they have any CD stuff still
>available anywhere?
>
>NB
>
another KTP fan out and about, i loved this group.  i've only seen
their music on tape and vinyl.  maybe not popular enough to be reissued
on CD.

euthelene


Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:59:31 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Slug and Lettuce / Wanker


The Slug and Lettuce gets my vote for the worst
pub name ever. Seemed like a good place, though,
as far as I could tell, being there in the middle
of a weekday. I'll bet it really rocks when 4AD
closes up shop and Vaughan and Chris head on over.

If you ever get by there, there's another good pub
near the top of the hill where Alma Road hits another
street. I remember having a pint and catching part
of a cricket match there during the 13 Year Itch. What
more stereotypically British thing is there? :)

Also, this has nothing to do with 4AD, but I think it's
funny as hell. There is a new brand of beer from somewhere
out here in southern california called Wanker. I know
you don't believe me, but I swear it's true! I had a good
laugh when I came across it a few weeks ago. Each bottle has
a one of three sultry looking women on the label, and the carton
states in big black letters "WANKER". I wonder how many
Americans are going to get the joke? I bet it would do
well in the UK merely as a novelty item. The beer is
actually quite good, surprisingly.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:37:21 -0500
From: Adam J Weitzman (weitzman@INDIVIDUAL.COM)
Subject: Clue for the clueless?


Every time I leave this list and come back, there's something else I
don't know.  *Sigh*

Anyways, what exactly is _Mojave_3_?  Should I be searching for one?
Were there a _Mojave_1_ and a _Mojave_2_?

Thanks for the help!

Adam J Weitzman
Individual, Inc.              "Hell is a place for very very bad people,
weitzman@individual.com                 and the lawyers who defend them."
                                                           - Brett Butler

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:35:36 EST
From: William Bill (bwilliam@FOGELSON.CSF.EDU)
Subject: Re: the TMC goil


    Inside me boxed set, it sayeth:
    "Peculiar love, thanks and praise to Vaughn Oliver, Nigel
Grierson (for his portraits of Pallas Citroen)..."
    Hope that helps!
    brian..
    bwilliam@fogelson.csf.ed

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:18:44 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: i 2nd attempt...


You wrote:
>Here's an open question to all you 4AD people.  I asked this a while
>back and got no response, so I'm tryin' again.  Who is the woman on
>the cover of TMC's "Blood" CD?  I just gotta know!
>
>  --iSpy--
>        _
>      _( )_          _
>    _(     )_      _( )_
>   (_________)   _(     )_   What dreams may come when we have
>     \  \  \    (_________)  shuffled off this mortal coil?
>       \  \       \  \  \
>                    \  \
>
according to the liner notes on the box set, "peticular love, thanks
and priase to Vaughn Oliver, Nigel Grierson (for his portraits of Palla
Citroen)... so I'd say her name is Pallas Citroen and she's too
beautiful...cheers, euthelene

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:48:21 -0800
From: Delphine Eunice Hwang (delfy@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Re. RHPs and Mark K. and 4AD


On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Micah Newman wrote:

> >At 6:58 PM 11/14/95, Andrew Massey wrote:
> >>>"The
> >>>feeling we were getting from 4AD was that we couldn't go in a studio and
> >>>have fun any more," said Kozelek.
> >
> >>Ha ha hah ha hahh ha haaaaahh haah hahhhhh ha ha ha ha hhhhhahhh. He's such
> >>a happy chappy our Mark is, eh? Such a joker....
>
> >your point being....?
>
>         Yeah!! [ganging up] Don't EVEN fuck with Mark!!
>
> You know, there are too many damn >'s in this thing by now.

        That's right, buddy.  They is so pretty, ain't they? ;)
Anyway, keep in mind that people don't stay stagnant all their lives.
Change is good, natural, expected.  I can very much understand why m.
kozelek wants to have a little fun.  Fuck, after all that shit, wouldn't
you?  y'all just need to chill. :)

d


Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:16:50 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints / Tom Waits


Is that bit about "Tim Buckley" correct??  I'm not a huge Tom Waits fan,
so I'm not certain how long he's been making music, but I know Tim Buckley
has been dead for a while, and so I dunno if he would have recorded a COVER
of a Tom Waits song. I could be wrong, but it's my guess that that is
actually JEFF BUCKLEY on the tribute CD and not his dead father, TIM. I
haven't heard the CD yet, so I could be totally wrong...if I'm right, though
that is a MONUMENTAL fuckup on behalf of the record company.

Forgive me if this discussion has already started, I'm in the middle of
reading 70 messages...

Mike
iceblink@delphi.com

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 20:52:46 +0000
From: Jon Kvebaek (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: hello!


On Nov 16, 12:54pm, eric wrote:
> Subject: hello!
> hi!  this is my first post to the list, and i'm subscribing because i heard
> Kristen Hersh's "the holy single."  a friend of mine told me that 4ad is a
> really great christian label, and gave me the address for your list.  so
> what music do you guys listen to to reaffirm your faith?
>-- End of excerpt from eric

Godflesh. Which actually brings me over to something remotely 4ADish. Does
anyone remember the 4AD/Earache thread? Was there any substance at all to those
rumours about a project? Or was it just a cruel joke?

Hopeful,


--
Jon Kvebaek 

- Roy, I'm shining this torch into your eyes. Pupil dilation seems more
   evident. Good. Good.
                                    -Irvine Welsh, "Marabou Stork Nightmares"

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:03:36 CST
From: Steven W Hill (shill@HARPER.CC.IL.US)
Subject: Re: hello!

              Nov 16, 95 12:54 (noon)

> hi!  this is my first post to the list, and i'm subscribing because i heard
> Kristen Hersh's "the holy single."  a friend of mine told me that 4ad is a
> really great christian label, and gave me the address for your list.  so
> what music do you guys listen to to reaffirm your faith?

If you're serious, I'm sorry, but you've been misled, probably deliberately.

But I think you're trolling, since I don't believe that single has the
4AD logo or label name on it anywhere.

Regardless, people will have fun with this one for a while, I think I'll
just sit back and watch.
-shill

--
[][]  [][] Steve Hill, Network Communications Specialist, 708-925-6273
[]  []  [] Harper College, 1200 W Algonquin Rd, Palatine IL 60067-7398
           ----shill@harper.cc.il.us----http://www.harper.cc.il.us----
[]  []  []                  "Lousy Smarch weather!"
[][]  [][]       personal:(http://www.idis.com/shill/index.htm)


Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:33:11 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: non-cocteau liz fraSer vocals


Note new spelling of last name.

Ciao!


Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 19:59:18 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints / Tom Waits


>Is that bit about "Tim Buckley" correct??  I'm not a huge Tom Waits fan,
>so I'm not certain how long he's been making music, but I know Tim Buckley
>has been dead for a while, and so I dunno if he would have recorded a COVER
>of a Tom Waits song.

Nope, it *IS* Tim Buckley.  Tom Waits has been making cool music for ages.
        I just bought this album an hour ago.  Here's what the liner notes
say.  "According to Robert Duffey, Tim's tour manager at the time that
'Martha' was recorded for Tim's album 'Sefronia':  'In about 1973, Tim and
Tom knew each other, and even played together on a record company softball
team.  Tim heard 'Martha' on 'Closing Time' and wanted to record it
immediately.  Tim talked about how visual Tom's songs were.'"

-cz

*excellent*.

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 19:07:11 -0500
From: SortSol@AOL.COM
Subject: TMC IN N.O./HOLY SINGLE


marvyn wrote:

> Finally, in 1991, I saw "Blood" in a Tower Records in New Orleans; I bought
it and have been completely in love with it ever since.

Micah then wrote:

>>OMIGOD! I bought my copies of both Filigree & Shadow and Blood at that SAME
PLACE!! I believe it was April 11, 1992.<<

I, too, bought my copy of "Filagree & Shadow" at the Tower Records in New
Orleans in 1989 (bought it on vinyl at Underground Sounds in N.O. two years
earlier).

I know nobody gives a rip about this, I just felt compelled to respond. I
live in Birmingham (which really isn't that close to N.O.).

So those of you who tuned in won't be put off, a question...

Are Kristin Hersh/Throwing Muses now officially on RYKO in the U.S.? Have
they left Sire? I finally got the "Holy Single". Brilliant!! The version of
Big Star's "Jesus Christ" is a bit over the top, but Big Star's version is as
well, so...

At any rate, it had a "TM-Throwing Music" logo on the disc along with the
Ryko logo. Sleeves are kinda weird... It almost looks like it could be a
bootleg of a 4AD release (V.O. and Dave Narcizo were among a few credited
with the design).

THANKS,
SortSol@AOL.COM

(can I not like the Kindness of Strangers LP without feeling guilty and
without being called a fool, because even if Deidre R.'s voice is as close to
God as you can get on this earth, that LP was really mediocre)


Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 19:47:25 -0500
From: "Fred Garvin, male prostitute" (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Cath Carroll/Hector Zazou


[England Made Me]
>> more importantly, is it still available?
>
>Factory went down 3 years ago, so you'll have to look for a second hand
>copy, I'm afraid.

Factory apparently went down because Cath Carroll's album cost too much,
according to some people...

>Hector Zazou has made two albums, "Songs From the Cold Seas" and "Sahara
>Blue."
>Both albums are of the compilation sort, but with pretty clear central
>direction from Hector Zazou. Sahara Blue is the first and has a more
>industrial edge, the second album is more ethnically diverse.

There's a further complication in that there are two versions of "Sahara
Blue". It initially contained vocal work by David Sylvian, but he decided at
some point that he wasn't happy with his contribution and so his parts were
taken off later versions and replaced with someone else's (can't remember
who - possibly Siouxsie?). The first version is now only available in
Australia, I believe.

.ihatemarkrobinson.

Larry


Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 22:04:41 CST
From: ariane181@DALLAS.EMAIL.NET
Subject: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals

              <951116111539_108046528@emout06.mail.aol.com>

yeh, i totally agree that it sounds like liz on the liquorice song "squawk of
the town" off the stalls 7" single, but i promise you that it is jenny
toomey. that's just wacky ol' warren for ya! :)

xoxo,
janice ariane

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 19:10:15 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Naughty No. 23


At 01:44 16-11-1995, Frank Brinkhuis wrote:

>What naughty? It's a football player! He's only trying to get in the box!!
>
>(I know, this is a VERY sexist joke)


Say no more, say no more, nudge nudge



Emiel Efdee

the Netherlands, November 16, 1995
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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 18:03:29 GMT
From: "Hugh O'Brien" (hugh@INTERNET-EIREANN.IE)
Subject: Brendan Perry


        for any dublin listees,
        brendan perry is rumoured to be playing in the Clarendon
        pub off Grafton St. on Sat. night as part of the Guinness
        Buzz gigs.
 Hugh O'Brien            hugh@internet-eireann.ie
"Music has to be sound, otherwise you are lost.Sound
goes into the inner part of the human soul"-Iannis Xenakis

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:15:42 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals


I haven't been able to verify this or not, but I could swear it's Liz singing
background vocals for Liquorice on their 7" release, the last b-side song
"Squawk of the Town"...maybe it's an 'altered' sample or something... but I
could swear it's her.  Can anybody else confirm this?

-Blue

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:21:07 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re. The TMC girl


>Here's an open question to all you 4AD people.  I asked this a while
>back and got no response, so I'm tryin' again.  Who is the woman on
>the cover of TMC's "Blood" CD?  I just gotta know!

I'm not actually certain of this, but I think I read that it is the same
girl on all three albums and that she works in the pub across the road from
the 4AD/Beggars Banquet/XL offices, called the Slug and Lettuce. (The pub
not her).

I either dreamt that or read it somewhere - I've been meaning to go for a
pint in there for a while....

Andie

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:24:58 CST
From: thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM
Subject: Re[2]: Hector Zazou?


> Sahara Blue is the first and has a more
> industrial edge, the second album is more ethnically diverse.

This seems a strange comment. This album is not even remotely
industrial in either the old school SPK/TG/EN style, nor in the
more recent EBM and metal w/samplers styles.
Maybe this comparison comes from the first song which has a fairly
strong dance beat, with Annelli Drecker's (sp?) vocals. But I would
hardly call it industrial. The rest of the album is mellow, with a
lot of ethnic and jazzy textures.

later on,
Thad
"This isn't death, this is just a textural event"


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