4ad-l Mail for 11-15-1995

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Subject: Re: "Another Day"/Apartments
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:28:01 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Review: QuickSpace Supersport
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 23:27:19 -0500
From: susan@ACS.BU.EDU
Subject: Re: "Another Day"/Apartments
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 23:13:20 -0600
From: Jon Corbett Wetzel (jcw0003@JOVE.ACS.UNT.EDU)
Subject: Re: unpopular 4ad albums
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:15:17 -0800
From: Snarlo (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Review: QuickSpace Supersport
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:41:48 -0800
From: Snarlo (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 and TMC box set
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:20:55 -0800
From: Snarlo (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Looking for a trade
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 00:50:04 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: peng
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 00:45:35 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Cath Carroll (the woman) and Unrest
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 00:55:36 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: off my listlisty shelf...
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:23:57 -0500
From: Suey (chon@VIRTU.SAR.USF.EDU)
Subject: lots of Bark Psychosis info (and 4AD linkages...)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 02:32:22 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (TooPurist@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: unpopular 4ad albums
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:08:56 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: RHP
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 00:46:47 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 and TMC box set
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 15:18:08 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: The The
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:12:21 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: MSG: *4ad-ISH*
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:55:24 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Hector Zazou?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:20:37 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: new slowdive (just kidding) "doom generation" sdtk: thumbs up!
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 03:49:48 -0500
From: ROXCEE@AOL.COM
Subject: one of those annoying i can't find your address messages
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:00:04 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: L' Faith Healers (was Re: Review: QuickSpace Supersport)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:28:10 -0500
From: a Bear of Very Little Brain (farrago@BETA.DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: The The
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 23:32:36 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: Cath Carroll (the woman) and Unrest
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:43:55 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: CD Europe
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:33:33 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Predictions...
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:37:09 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: in defence of....einexile!
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 05:08:11 -0500
From: Hement Gopal (090GOPAL@UWCC.CC.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: This mortal coil
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:50:41 -0500
From: a Bear of Very Little Brain (farrago@BETA.DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: in a daze, i make this prediction...
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:06:48 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Pictures of Lily (was Re: suggestions?)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:43:11 -0500
From: a Bear of Very Little Brain (farrago@BETA.DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Predictions...
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:49:08 -0500
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: NEW THIS MORTAL COIL??
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 05:28:52 -0500
From: Hement Gopal (090GOPAL@UWCC.CC.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re. RHPs and Mark K. and 4AD
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:58:15 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance - bootlegs?
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 01:01:58 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: No, I'm SortSol!
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 20:58:41 -0500
From: SortSol@AOL.COM
Subject: RHP Videos
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:08:56 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Dead Can Dance Double?
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:50:11 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: 4AD catalogue
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 23:16:28 -0600
From: Michael C Lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Double Dead Can Dance
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 01:35:57 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: predictions/Dilworth
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:51:54 -0500
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: kranky stuff/Stereolab
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:19:37 -0500
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance - boot info
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 01:10:20 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: unpopular 4ad albums
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 23:16:19 -0600
From: Michael C Lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD catalogue
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:39:15 -0500
From: Andrea Dawn Meth (ameth@EMORY.EDU)
Subject: air miami
Date: 14 Nov 1995 15:23:22 U
From: David Dunn (David_Dunn@erm.com)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 and TMC box set
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:56:48 -0600
From: Chad Burkey (burkey@CSTAR.AC.COM)
Subject: Re: Double Dead Can Dance
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:55:31 -0500
From: Hement Gopal (090GOPAL@UWCC.CC.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Merchandise List
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:11:12 +0100
From: bdmwilli@GLAM.AC.UK
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 and TMC box set
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:46:18 -0600
From: Chad Burkey (burkey@CSTAR.AC.COM)
Subject: Re: unpopular 4ad albums
Date: Wednesday, 15 November, 1995 05:16
From: 4AD-L; lawmic
Subject: Re: NEW THIS MORTAL COIL?
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:23:48 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: This mortal coil
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 15:30:18 +0100
From: Katy Renick (katy.renick@STUDENT.UNI-TUEBINGEN.DE)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance - bootlegs?
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 15:37:20 +0100
From: Katy Renick (katy.renick@STUDENT.UNI-TUEBINGEN.DE)
Subject: Re: air miami
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:29:30 -0500
From: Me Me Me (CHUBSCOUT@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 and TMC box set
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:07:49 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Tim Buckley (Re: "Another Day"/Apartments)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:05:38 -0500
From: a Bear of Very Little Brain (farrago@BETA.DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Predictions...
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:09:43 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: sinkhole
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:07:37 -0800
From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@SUN1.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cath Carroll (the woman)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:19:35 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance - bootlegs?
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 21:10:54 +0100
From: Roland Ulbert (roland@ILLUMINATUS.OR.AT)
Subject: Sorry!
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:15:32 -0600
From: Chad Burkey (burkey@CSTAR.AC.COM)
Subject: Legendary Pink Box?
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:04:00 EST
From: CALLAHAN (CALLAHAN%DIALOGVM@MCIMAIL.COM)
Subject: sleazy e and the Re: Merchandise List
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 12:49:36 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:57:00 PST
From: bahman (IZZYW5B@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: This mortal coil
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:51:55 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Mary Margaret O'Hara
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:56:00 PST
From: "Patrick D. Oltraver" (seraphim@CTS.COM)
Subject: Re: sinkhole
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:13:19 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance - bootlegs? *Plus*
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:43:08 -0600
From: "Kendal..." (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Predictions...
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:30:18 -0500
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:58:11 -0800
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:27:22 -0800
From: nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 and TMC box set
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:02:37 -0800
From: ozymandias G desiderata (ogd@ORGANIC.COM)
Subject: Re. DCD Bootlegs
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 12:40:50 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Minty 23 or the 1996(?) Calender
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 01:33:43 +0100
From: Roland Ulbert (roland@ILLUMINATUS.OR.AT)
Subject: Re: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:46:05 +1300
From: Robin Fargher (robinf@DEV.WHOLESALE.NBNZ.CO.NZ)
Subject: Ooops, I meant "with tomorrow" not "another day"
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:52:44 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: NO WAY MAN; _BLOOD_ R U L E S !!!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:05:17 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Another Day versions
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 15:01:24 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Hector Zazou?
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 18:13:39 -0500
From: Michael N Schlesinger (mns6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Naughty No. 23
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 18:47:31 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Re. RHPs and Mark K. and 4AD
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:34:12 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Legendary Pink Box? (long)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:35:18 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Naughty No. 23
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 01:44:18 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Predictions... (fwd)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:43:25 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Pale Saints / Tom Waits
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:11:11 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:43:16 +0800
From: Lim May Lin Melissa (art50981@LEONIS.NUS.SG)
Subject: Mary Margaret O'Hara
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 20:47:25 -0500
From: jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU
Subject: Re: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 20:30:44 -0500
From: The Spangle Maker (bvlaonip@EMAIL.UNC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Hector Zazou?
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:58:27 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Fave TMC tunes
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 17:53:37 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:28:01 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: "Another Day"/Apartments


>Jake wrote:
>
>>>not to be nitpicky (i.e. you probably already know this but just in
>case...)
>"another day" was originally Tim Buckley.  "Mr. Somewhere" was the
>Apartments.<<
>
>"Another Day" was written by Roy Harper.

Well, Tim Buckley, Roy Harper... they're both 70's folk singers with one
syllable first names and two syllable last names, etc., etc....

 As for the Apartments, they have a
>fairly new release out that is quite available domestically (U.S. that is).
>It is quite good as well.

I've seen the new release, but I was wondering specifically about the
release that "Mr. Somewhere" was on.  Any ideas?

Jake, who's pretty fuckin' sick of hearing about the Qin dynasty for the
last three hours
Jake Reichert                   |  I used to be indecisive/
reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu      |  But now I'm not so sure...
                                |                    -The The
--------------------------------------------------------------------
                     "LONELY IS AS LONELY DOES"
B.C. Gilbert/G. Lewis ------------------------    The Happy Family
A=====================================V  Bulgarian Voices | Pixies
|          |              |   ____    |  Bauhaus |  Frazier Chorus
|     /|   |      /\      |  |    \   |  Michael Brook |  Spirea X
|    / |   |     /  \     |  |     \  |  The Breeders |  Colourbox
|   /  |   |    /    \    |  |      | |  Dead Can Dance |  Dif Juz
|  /___|   |   /______\   |  |      | |  Throwing Muses |  The The
|      |   |  /        \  |  |     /  |  Clan of Xymox | Rema-Rema
|      |   | /          \ |  |___ /   |  Cocteau Twins | Liquorice
A=====================================M  Lisa Germano  | M|A|R|R|S
X Mal Deutschland | Dance Chapter | Insides |   The Birthday Party
A.R. Kane | Rowland S. Howard & Lydia Lunch  | C.V.O  |  Air Miami
Ultra Vivid Scene | Unrest | Pieter Nooten/Michael Brook | Swallow
That Dog. | Psychotic Tanks  |  Lisa Gerrard  | Last Dance |  Lush
Modern English |  Budd/Fraser/Guthrie/Raymonde |  This Mortal Coil
The Wolfgang Press |  Richenel |  His Name Is Alive  | Pale Saints
The Glee Club    ---------------------------------    Colin Newman
                       "LONELY IS AN EYESORE"

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 23:27:19 -0500
From: susan@ACS.BU.EDU
Subject: Re: Review: QuickSpace Supersport

              14, 95 10:48:52 am

> Andrew Norman wrote:
> >does anyone know what the rhythm section are doing
> >now?  Dilworth has drummed for Stereolab

Pursuing his other job as rock photographer, most likely. He takes photos for
MM and NME, I think. See also Unrest's Cath Carroll ep.

> And hey! Whatever happened to the impending re-release of "L'" on
> American Records? I never saw it show up.

Umm.. what happened to any of the re-releases on American?! Stereolab's Peng
is sheer brilliance, Minxus' Pabulum maybe not.. but they've all gone missing,
regardless. "L'" was definitely reissued. I have seen it. But you wouldn't
know it from all the promotion it got. Mouse on Mars, anyone?

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 23:13:20 -0600
From: Jon Corbett Wetzel (jcw0003@JOVE.ACS.UNT.EDU)
Subject: Re: "Another Day"/Apartments


On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Jake Reichert wrote:

> Well, Tim Buckley, Roy Harper... they're both 70's folk singers with one
> syllable first names and two syllable last names, etc., etc....
>
After hearing the This Mortal Coil versions of Tim Buckley songs, I had
to get some of his stuff and found it to all be great. Try "Dream Letter"
or "Live at the Troubador"


Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:15:17 -0800
From: Snarlo (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: unpopular 4ad albums


At 01:59 PM 11/13/95 -0800, you wrote:
>        Well, my favorite Pixies album is "Trompe Le Monde". Really, it
>is. Is there a single person here who shares that view? I noticed it was
>the only Pixies album not included in someone's "best of each year" list.
>
>How about that spat-upon bombastic brilliance that is "REV" by ultra vivid
scene? A totally overlooked release... not to mention "queer" by wolfgang
press, which many despise since it isn't retreading through their prior
styles. by the way, i've seen some of you real die-hard four ay dee fanatics
praise "The BURDEN OF MULES" (those of you fortunate to know what a vinyl
record is)...all i can say is listen to "Second Edition" (Metal Box) by
Public Image Ltd...you will understand.  TOTAL derivative (not nearly as
good as PiL's masterpiece album that would very much appeal to most of you
kind list-folk, as would "The Flowers Of Romance", which kicks butt on Dead
Can Dance's later forays into moroccan/arab cultural appropriation.

Yours in love with the amps (the production is brilliant for those
enlightened enough to be sick of high gloss),
Pedro________________________________________________________________________
>= "The kids of today should defend ) "So we're complicated, so what?"  =
>= themselves against the 70's!"    (  - His Name Is Alive, "Why People =
>=  - Mike Watt                     )    Disappear"                     =
>========================================================================
>= "If life is a performance, and I am not an actor, am I supposed to   =
>= lay down and die?" - Juliana Hatfield                                =
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:41:48 -0800
From: Snarlo (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Review: QuickSpace Supersport


At 11:27 PM 11/14/95 -0500, you wrote:
>> Andrew Norman wrote:
>> >does anyone know what the rhythm section are doing
>> >now?  Dilworth has drummed for Stereolab
>
>Pursuing his other job as rock photographer, most likely. He takes photos for
>MM and NME, I think. See also Unrest's Cath Carroll ep.
>
>> And hey! Whatever happened to the impending re-release of "L'" on
>> American Records? I never saw it show up.
>
I have the american american reissue of "L'" by the Faith Healers, which i
think came out in august (which is when i purchased it)...the track listing

POP SONG
DELORES
SLAG
REPTILE SMILE
LOVELY
GORGEOUS BLUE (g.b.f.)
NOT A GOD

find it, it is quite excellent

beauty in subjectivity,

pedro >

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:20:55 -0800
From: Snarlo (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 and TMC box set


At 12:51 PM 11/14/95 EST, you wrote:
>There is a TMC box set sitting in a local record store for $45.  The shrink
>wrap is torn off but for 4 discs costing the usual $50 to $70 this is a good
>price.  I think that the TMC box set is discontinued.  E-mail me privately if
>you wish to buy this excellent box set.
>
>I was wondering if anyone has access to the new Mojave 3 cd on import.  I've
>been combing all of the record stores in the PRovidence and Boston area and
>have been coming up empty.  If anyone has access to one I will pay all
>shipping and handling and cost of the record and have my heartfelt gratitude.
>Thanks.
>
>here in the san francisco/bay area you can find mojave 3 at either amoeba
records or mod lang, both in berkeley. the area code is 510, so call
information & order it...they both do mail order, and the cd is about $21 or
so.  I personally think the album is one big melodrama cal southern rock
70's country bore... but i also didn't love slowdive, so i am not the best
judge.

ep's by the Cocktoe Twins for $8.99...they do mail order also i  am quite
shure, so dial area code 415 & get the num.  that ep is quite interesting.

aahh, the beauty of subjectivity,

Pedro
>
>Charle_Kim@brown.edu
>
>

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 00:50:04 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Looking for a trade


I'm been searching for for the following stuff (who hasn't, right?) for
awhile and haven't seen or heard a peep about it for a long time (again, no
big surprise), and was wondering if anyone had one, or an extra they were
willing to sell or trade.  I can offer a couple sealed "AVAM"'s, a few Mai
Pen Rai's, a "NO BALLS", and I also have a few "Joe Friday"'s I'm willing to
part with for the following (some of which I'm sure anyone on the list would
love to get their hands on):

Various - "The 13year Itch" - video & CD
Various - "Natures Mortes-Still Lives"
Various - "12" Anthology" (japanese thingy right?)
Wolfgang Press - "Choir" (this was a japanese thingy, like PS "Mrs. Dolphin")
His Name Is Alive - the "home" tapes
Air Miami - their "home" tapes as well (I think there were 2)
the first v/23 poster pack
any of the v/23 postcard packs
any of the v/23 calendars

again, i'm sure everyone on the list is looking for one, a couple, or all of
the items listed above.  but since i haven't seen anyone ask or offer these
in awhile, i thought i'd ask.  and, as always ------- PLEASE respond via
private e-mail.

much thanks,
-Blue
blubelknol@aol.com
"Know who you are at every age" - CT


Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 00:45:35 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: peng


>Umm.. what happened to any of the re-releases on American?! Stereolab's Peng
>is sheer brilliance, Minxus' Pabulum maybe not.. but they've all gone missing,
>regardless. "L'" was definitely reissued.

i've seen the reissue of peng at best buy.

eric

"watch me fall apart, but leave me with my heart."

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 00:55:36 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Cath Carroll (the woman) and Unrest


hey.  while listening to "moves like you," a cath carroll song from the
factory days, i noticed that near the end of the song she sings "angel,
i'll walk you home. . ."  that's one of the names on unrest's "perfect
teeth" cd, with cath on the cover.  the album, as most of you no doubt
know, also contains the song cath carroll.  are any of the other songs on
the album "inspired" by her?  i would look/listen, but i traded my copy of
perfect teeth away (for the NEW cath carroll album -- coincidence?  i think
NOT!).

how is the factory album in general?  i have the song "moves like you" on a
comp disc, and that is it.  more importantly, is it still available?
"moves like you" kicks the new album (which is still ok) into the ground,
so i'd like to hear the older stuff.

so who's keepin' my company tonight while i write my stories for Journalism?

g'bye,

eric

"why do children break toys?"


Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:23:57 -0500
From: Suey (chon@VIRTU.SAR.USF.EDU)
Subject: off my listlisty shelf...


not knowing the etiquette here, i hope this is appropriate... do people
offer lists of different non-4AD thislisty groups here?  if so, here are
some off my shelf (and i hope you will try some of these out, if you
haven't already)...

black tape for a blue girl - mushy and lushy - "lush garden within",
projekt records
blue faces (hometown band - seattle)- oh, how to describe?? - "in the
days of the lightbulb", vagrant records
faith and disease (another hometown band)- dream pop/ethereal - "fortune his
sleep" and "beauty and bitterness", ivy records
sky cries mary (yet another seattle band) - mixture between ethereal,
dreampop, and classic rock... very very very good stuff, esp the EP "exit
at the axis", "a return to the inner experience", "this timeless
turning", world dominion records




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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 02:32:22 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (TooPurist@AOL.COM)
Subject: lots of Bark Psychosis info (and 4AD linkages...)


Jens, an all-around great guy with simply amazing taste, said:

>The only other things I know of are:
>
>Big Shot / Reserve Shot Gunman
>  A-side is the album version. B-side is one of the best things they've
>ever done, a piece of all-out techno with their regular instrumentation,
>incl. guitars and real drums and only bits of keyboard. During the
>breaks, instead of samples, you get piles of feedback. Awesome, but good
>luck finding it.
>

it's "A Street Scene / Reserve Shot Gunman". Came out on cd, btw... with
really beautiful sleeve art/deep red see-through case. A.S.C is exactly the
same as on "Hex" (an album which I STILL insist is too perfect for words!).
And Jens' comments about R.S.G are all right on...

>Blue / Hex / Big Shot(?) remix
>  "Blue" is more or less in the same style as the album "Hex" but more
>upbeat and with synthesized bass and drums.

'Blue" is the closest that BP will ever/should ever come to making pop. It
sounds like a v-e-r-y moody Pet Shop Boys. Doesn't mean that I don't love it
utterly - this band has yet to make a single misstep - but "Blue" isn't what
"Hex" fans are expecting. Bark Psychosis seems to travel in footsteps
parallel to A.R.Kane... mere 'pop' from either group dusts the ground with
everything else in its wake. :)

>"Hex" is incredibly noisy.

"Hex", the 'title track'(?) IS incredibly noisy - but it's probably the most
addictive bit of pure noise overdose you'll ever experience; think Princess
Dragon-Mom, Merzbow, and (Dead) His Name Is Alive - run through with
Main/Labradford flatline sensibilities.

>The remix (is it "Big Shot" or some other album track? I forget) is
>redone as all-synths. Worth picking up for the completist but there's
>nothing really good on it.
>
"Big Shot" is remixed by Rudi (A.R.Kane) Tambala - which not only makes it
essential, but also gives it tangible 4AD relevance! Yay! :-D

>Supposedly the band are still together, but they haven't released
>anything since '94.

I dunno - just saw the dreaded words 'ex-Bark Psychosis' in a Boymerang
preorder statement. :( Let's just all hold hands, cross fingers, and hope
that it's not true - since Bark Psychosis without Graham Sutton would be
like...uh... Disco Inferno without Ian Krause (WAAAAH! I'm still crying over
that one...)

quick backtrack:
"All Different Things"(89) and "Nothing Feels"(90) were originally issued as
2-sided 12"s ONLY on Che(ree) Records. The two 12"s were combined to create a
single EP, "Nothing Feels/I Know/All Different Things/By Blow"(90) - the
first four tracks on the INDESPENSIBLE "Independency" compilation. The first
- and only non-compiled B.P. track - was on a Che(ree) flexi with Spacemen 3
and the Fury Things. But Graham himself (who are we mortals to doubt him?!)
says that it's absolute crap. :) ... actually, he says that about the
spine-melting "By Blow", too. So go out, look for it, and let me know what
YOU think! It might even be on the "Mon Cheree Amour" cd comp. . . I don't
know.

If you need to satiate your Graham Sutton cravings - can't blame you, of
course - check out O'RANG - "Herd of Instinct". Not only is it Talk Talk's
rhythm section; it's also fookin' brilliant - sensational, rich, vibrant,
complex, dub/world/ambient/experimental music. AND Graham -Hallowed Be His
Name- plays guitar on tracks 1,2, and 3!!!! Beth (Nobody Loves Her) Gibbons
and Matt (more 4AD relevance!) Johnson are on the album, too. Graham used to
reefer to the band as SCHWAA in interviews, but I'm pretty sure that they
simply changed the name of the project. It's a phenomenal album - hard to
find and expensive, but aren't ALL the best things in life?! :) There's an
EP, too - "Spoor". Both are on Echo UK, though the ep has been reissued by
the wonderful folks at HitIt! - who also resurrected
[go-out-and-buy-it-this-minute] BUTTERFLY CHILD's "Onomatopoeia".

Just a note, since my 'cred' seems to be at stake here. I am NOT connected
with any sort of store, label, or commercial venture. The AE reviews were
posted for purely informational purposes - I thought it a shame that few have
been aware of those two amazing albums... I don't work for ae, Hitit!, Echo,
or Third Stone - hell, I'm not even working. :( I'm trying to dig up some
'unheard' classics. Hope that's clear now.

please join me in setting fire to all the busses in the world...

Gil


Pure. . . for quite some time now. The only thing is that they charge album
price for it. Seems pretty stupid, considering that it's only 6 tracks
long...

Oh. . . .
13th Floor Elevators RUUL!
and Kranky has yet to release anything less than sensational.

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:08:56 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: unpopular 4ad albums


You wrote:
>
>        Well, my favorite Pixies album is "Trompe Le Monde". Really,
it
>is. Is there a single person here who shares that view? I noticed it
was
>the only Pixies album not included in someone's "best of each year"
list.
>
>_______________________________________________________________________
_
>= "The kids of today should defend ) "So we're complicated, so what?"
=
>= themselves against the 70's!"    (  - His Name Is Alive, "Why People
=
>=  - Mike Watt                     )    Disappear"
=
>=======================================================================
=
>= "If life is a performance, and I am not an actor, am I supposed to
=
>= lay down and die?" - Juliana Hatfield
=
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~
>
still unpopular with me?  their best was the first, well okay who
really cares.  still unpopular with me, IMNSHO  euthelene

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 00:46:47 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: RHP

              "M. Wade  Chamberlainn" at Nov 14, 95 08:07:37 pm

Its definitely happening...different set than the '3 hour tour' shows
(slightly anyway) and its at the Noe Valley Ministry.


>
> any more word on the December 8 date in Frisco Me and a bunch of friends
> are gonna drive out from SLC if so!
>


Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 15:18:08 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 and TMC box set


If you're in the Boston area, HMV in Harvard Square can special order
the Mojave3 CD for you.  They actually had one in stock a couple of
weeks ago, but told me that it was on hold for someone who had
special ordered it.

Mike
iceblink@delphi.com

P.S.  I don't think the TMC Box Set has been discontinued.  Or maybe it's
      just too expensive. I've seen it everywhere.  $50 is a good deal,
      though.

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:12:21 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: The The


You wrote:
>
>I just saw the "Unpopular 4AD albums" message and thought about my
>recent visit to my local 2 hand shop. After listening to Frank Black's
>Teenager of the year LP I decided it wasn't for me. Then I found The
The's
>Blue Soul Mining(?) on CD and gave it a listen. I couldn't quite get
into it. I have Infected
>as well as some 12" which I really enjoy. Maybe it's coz they are
mixed by
>J G Thurlwell. I don't know.....
>
>Chris
>
ARGH sacrilidge, slaming Burning Blue Soul.  okay so you weren't
slamming it.  sometimes these older releases don't stand up production
wise to the new fangled toys of today.  for its time, BBS was an
incredible venture.  i thank the day IVo gave matt a chance.
euthelene, who is not a closet theThe fan...i'd give matt a rose anyday
and he could eat it or throw it away

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:55:24 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: MSG: *4ad-ISH*


Oops.  Sorry for the massive .sig, all.  that's what happens when you don't
get your crack first thing in the morning.

Jake

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:20:37 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Hector Zazou?


You wrote:
>
>Could someone please tell me more about Hector Zazou? I know he'w
worked
>w/Siouxsie & Dead Can Dance (not bad I know!)


he's a producer and arranger extraordinaire.  into the keyboards,
programming and elctronics thang.  on his latest "Songs from the Cold
Seas", which is excellent, he collaborates with the voices of bjork,
suzanne vega, john cale, jane siberry, siuxsie, and several world
musicians.  he empahsizes the ethnicity of music, not really world beat
music purely but a zazou'edified take on native melodies and folk
tunes.  as for his background etc, i have to dig up the interviews i
have stowed somewhere, can't seem to remember all this music stuff
anymore, too much stored in the ever shrinking brain.   euthelene




>
>Also, does anyone have a copy of the "Moonchild" soundtrack performed
by
>Dead Can Dance?
>
>Thanks,
>Andrea
>ameth@emory.edu
>

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 03:49:48 -0500
From: ROXCEE@AOL.COM
Subject: new slowdive (just kidding) "doom generation" sdtk: thumbs up!


this may be old hat by now... i don't know because i haven't been keeping up
with the list, but i just wanted to throw in my 2 pennies in favor of the
"doom generation" sdtk.  i was quite pleased with "curve"... a band i've
grown quite fond of lately.  if anyone can suggest some albums by them, i'd
welcome the info.  ( oh, i have "cuckoo" )

 i loved the sdtk, especially twp's remix of "christianity."  one question
tho', what other sdtks are there that feature as many 4AD bands as "doom
generation"?  if any of you haven't heard it yet, take a listen...


Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:00:04 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: one of those annoying i can't find your address messages


Ron Jost.  please e-mail me.  i can't find your e-mail address anywhere,
and to make this slightly less offensive for the rest of you, i'd like to
see chris trout working with lisa gerrard on the next tmc album, or ian
with the pale saints -- minus colleen ;).

the e. e. witt-me

"the greater is the beauty. the profounder is the stain. significant of the
forbidden transgressed in eroticism."
        -stereolab "pack yr romantic mind"


Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:28:10 -0500
From: a Bear of Very Little Brain (farrago@BETA.DELPHI.COM)
Subject: L' Faith Healers (was Re: Review: QuickSpace Supersport)


>And hey! Whatever happened to the impending re-release of "L'" on
>American Records? I never saw it show up.

But it did!  It did get show up!... um, y'know what I mean.  If memory
serves, the US domestic release of "L'" happened a couple of months ago.
Now only if I can find a second-hand copy....


hk
"We were swinging on so nice, bubbly pink champagne on ice,
 Nancy, Jaques Closeau and Claire, I believe they all were there
 Having the time of their lives..." - The Cardigans

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 23:32:36 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: The The


>ARGH sacrilidge, slaming Burning Blue Soul.  okay so you weren't
>slamming it.  sometimes these older releases don't stand up production
>wise to the new fangled toys of today.  for its time, BBS was an
>incredible venture.  i thank the day IVo gave matt a chance.
>euthelene, who is not a closet theThe fan...i'd give matt a rose anyday
>and he could eat it or throw it away

I'd also give the man a rose (for the post 4AD albums). This is a turnaround
yes? It's not a case of production inferiority either. It just didn't do it for 
e.
Personal taste and all that.....

Tack for att Ivo har listnad till Matt (Skit, jag har glomt mycket).
Chris

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:43:55 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Cath Carroll (the woman) and Unrest


Eric wrote:

>hey.  while listening to "moves like you," a cath carroll song from the
>factory days, i noticed that near the end of the song she sings "angel,
>i'll walk you home. . ."  that's one of the names on unrest's "perfect
>teeth" cd, with cath on the cover.  the album, as most of you no doubt
>know, also contains the song cath carroll.  are any of the other songs on
>the album "inspired" by her?

There's a line in 'Angel I Walk You Home' that goes "England Made You". The
title of CC's solo LP on Factory is 'England Made ME'.
The Unrest instrumental on 'The 13 Year Itch' is called 'Where Are All Those
Puerto Rican Boys'. And that's a line from CC's 'Beast (On The Streets)', a
track on 'England Made Me', also released as a CD-single/12".


>how is the factory album in general?  i have the song "moves like you" on a
>comp disc, and that is it.

The 'England Made Me' LP/CD is rather good but a bit too smooth. I prefer
her 'True Crime Motel' album on Teenbeat. 'England Made Me' contains the
original version of  'Moves Like You' which isn't half as good as the
single-remix.

> more importantly, is it still available?

Factory went down 3 years ago, so you'll have to look for a second hand
copy, I'm afraid. Or try to get in touch with someone in Germany. The album
was re-issued there via Rough Trade in 1992.

Frank
++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:33:33 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: CD Europe


I want to share my first experience with ordering online
from CD Europe. In short, I'm delighted! 21 days ago
I placed an order for Disco Inferno's "Summer's Last Sound"
and yesterday it arrived in my mailbox. They have a nice feature
where you can check on the status of your order, and it was
great to view the progress of my order as it went from
"on order" to "filled" to "shipped".

The only problem is that the prices are more than you
typically would pay at a record store. For all the
stuff I looked up, prices from $25 to $30 or more
were common, even for readily available releases.
But if you just can't find that one disc anywhere else,
maybe it's worth it. For the Disco Inferno cd-single
I ended up paying $11.95 plus $3.50 shipping.
Pretty painful, but I think that's the only way I could
have gotten it.

Here is something someone posted here over a year ago:

>For my fellow 4AD-Lers with telnet access to the internet: CD Europe is now
>on line (node 199.35.15.100).  There're 200,000 imports listed, including CDs,
>CD singles, box sets, cassettes, vinyl, etc.  The Cocteau Twins alone had 50
>items listed.  Check it out even just to browse around and see what's _out_
>there. Despite the name, CD Europe also carries some Japanese releases (take a
>look at the listing for Curve).

Get there by telnet cdeurope.com or
telnet 199.35.15.100

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:37:09 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Predictions...

              "Johnathan A. Rickman" at Nov 14, 95 04:49:08 pm

"Johnathan A. Rickman"  wrote:
>
> AIR MIAMI
> (i'll bet 4ad won't push their new album - have they really? - or any
> future AM albums, thus AM will have little impact on anyones lives,
> especially in England where Mark Robinson seems to have little effect
> on anybody.

There's a small ad in this week's NME for the album, and there was an
identical ad in last week's (sixth of a page, I think).  4AD also put
ads in for "Fuck You, Tiger", so Air Miami have had a sight more
promotion in the NME than Tarnation or Liquorice.  I'm in two minds as
to whether I'll buy this one - I quite like the EP but it hasn't exactly
grabbed me.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 15/11/95
On my walkman this morning : St Etienne - So Tough
Ah, love, let us be true

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 05:08:11 -0500
From: Hement Gopal (090GOPAL@UWCC.CC.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: in defence of....einexile!


>
> I have a better idea. Why don't we start a newsgroup called
> alt.4ad.dipshits-with-tiny-dicks that guys like you can post to?
>
> Martin


oh boy

a year later and not much has changed!!!

"cynical appreciation, cynical appreciation...my 4ad collection for
some cynical appreciation " he cried!

piss and vinegar dept
hemsy or wattso or whatever the hell he calls himself!!

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:50:41 -0500
From: a Bear of Very Little Brain (farrago@BETA.DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: This mortal coil


>filagree and shadow.  TMC is really more of a collaboration that
>evolves its participant list like the golden palominos--some of the
>same people but lots of fringees.  love there covers, especially
>holocost by alex chilton,  chills on the spine.

The cover of "Holocaust" is on the first TMC album, not 'Filigree and
Shadow'.  And while I'm not sure exactly how the timetables line up, I think
the Paisley Underground "soopergroop" Rainy Day might have beaten Ivo'n'Co.
to the punch by covering the aforesaid LX Chilton toon on their album with a
similar arrangement as the TMC version.

Personally, while 'It'll All End in Tears' has more than its share of
outstanding songs (albeit covers, including a characteristically wordless
rendition of Roy Harper's "Another Day" sung by our favorite twitchy siren
Liz Fraser), I'd found 'Blood' to be more... coherent, to pull a word out of
the air.

Trainspottingly,


hk
"We were swinging on so nice, bubbly pink champagne on ice,
 Nancy, Jaques Closeau and Claire, I believe they all were there
 Having the time of their lives..." - The Cardigans

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:06:48 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: in a daze, i make this prediction...


>  hnia will save 4ad in 1996.

Even if they don't, Mr. Jake will be one happy guy come '96.

Jake

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:43:11 -0500
From: a Bear of Very Little Brain (farrago@BETA.DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Pictures of Lily (was Re: suggestions?)


>I've got to add my $0.02 here...the Lilys 2nd proper album (Eccsame the
>Photon Band) is either just in the top 5 on '94/'95 (came out the end of
>'94) or it might be the single best album.  (The single best new band
>honor would have to go to The For Carnation)  This album takes a bit of
>MBV, a lot of Sgt. Pepper (in a good way - not the hokey crap most bands
>do) and a lot of drugs and make the fantastic, psychedelic, slowcore
>album of the past few years.  Its hard to compare against others as its
>somewhat of an enigma...but listen for yourself.  Has anyone here??

Actually, it is hard to compare 'Eccsame the Photon Band' to anything else,
because there really isn't anything as marvellously schizoidly pop as the
aforementioned long-player from  Mssr. Heasley & Co.  The Boo Radleys came
close in spots of 'Giant Steps' (another repectably Sgt. Pepper-inspired
album, in my book), but on the whole, the "Difficult Second Album from the
Lilys" is quite the curious beast all on its own.

But anyhoo, if the original topic of discussion had to do with "noisy guitar
pop bands," I'd throw in my endorsement for Henry's Dress, the mythical
missing link between the Valentines, Unsane, and Beat Happening, and quite
arguably one of the loudest three-piece bands I've witnessed of late.  And
there's this band Godzuki from Detroit (home of MC5, natch) whose relatively
recent set w/ ESP Family was gratifyingly noisy yet concurrently melodic
(and the two-time double-feature of 'A Hard Days Night' and 'Death Race
2000' on the background movie screen did cast a really funny VU/Warhol angle).

And here's a curveball from out of nowhere: does anyone here rememeber Yuji
Oniki?

Cheers,


hk
"We were swinging on so nice, bubbly pink champagne on ice,
 Nancy, Jaques Closeau and Claire, I believe they all were there
 Having the time of their lives..." - The Cardigans

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:49:08 -0500
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Predictions...


This predictions thread got my thoughts a rollin', and it seems I have
some predictions of my own............................................

AIR MIAMI
(i'll bet 4ad won't push their new album - have they really? - or any
future AM albums, thus AM will have little impact on anyones lives,
especially in England where Mark Robinson seems to have little effect
on anybody. The UK generally overlooked or up their noses towards
Unrest, so why should they care about AM? Mark's projects will probably
always have a place on 4AD though, cuz Ivo thinks Mark is tha shit, and
rightfully so in my opinion.)

HNIA
(i think someone mentioned that this band will "save" 4ad or will release
THE 4ad lp of the decade or something. I hope that this is the case, and
i certainly think it's possible, but their cut and paste approach has
kinda wore thin with me. I haven't heard any of the esp cassttes, but
anything Warren touches seems to turn to gold. I don't know that he'll
"save" 4ad, but he could be the glue that hold it together.)

LUSH
(easily my favorite , current 4ad act. anything they release i always like,
although the last lp made me fidgety. if their new album DOES sound like
elastica, it could give 4ad a little more worldwide cred, but i don't know
if i would want to buy anything that sounds like elastica. but i'm not
worried, it still is Emma and Miki runnin' the show after all.)

PALE SAINTS
(to me, ian's departure is the most depressing 4ad factoid ever. i found
this to be even more depressing than the Cocteau's departure from 4ad.
their last album MAYBE showed promise, and you can accept them for what
they are, but to me, listening to them now is simply painful. as far as
i'm concerned, ian was the pale saints. and i predict that their new album
will anger me, and not just simply make me roll my eyes like the last one. i
kinda wish they'd just go away. their new album, if there is to be one,
will flop, flop, and flop.)

i'm beginning to wonder if i actually made ANY predictions. :P
just my mind mind wondering i guess, thanx for listening!
any other thoughts to add to mine?

 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 ''J''O''H''N'''''''R''I''C''K''M''A''N''''''''''''''''''''''''
                                       jknee@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu


Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 05:28:52 -0500
From: Hement Gopal (090GOPAL@UWCC.CC.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: NEW THIS MORTAL COIL??


hi gang

I had a nightmare last night. TMC had reformed for a 4th release and
in keeping with the trend of using current in house rosties, Ivo got
together the "talents" of amps/scheer/mojave 3/liquorice...but wait
theres more..the release was a triple album *yikes* and the cover art
was a luminous bright orange background with an out of focus photo of
a half eaten mouldy cabbage...and it was one of those scrath-'n-sniff
jobs too!! I can't remember more as I was awoken by the slapping palm
of daddy dearest..apparently my nightmare induced wails had awoken
the entire block...but i'm a lot better now after those two nice man
in the white van came to take me away...in fact i'd hug them if it
wasn't for this ridiculously tight fucking straight-jacket! ah
well...time for my shot again!

damn..i hate it when my other half takes over the terminal. soory
gang...just a little mail to say that i wrote off to 4ad complaining
about the fact that their supposedly free FTWW disc was being sold
here for $30 so those nice chaps sent me a freebie + a crappy belly
postcard + a copy of the catalogue (i have a spare now so Ed, write
me if you want it). Anyways, the catalogue included a nice A4 card
listing releases available  post catalogue release and also a
list of deletions. The funny thing is that it had DCD towards the
within marked as double cd/tape/lp...right down to the catalogue nos
too! anyone know anything about this...is this a conspiracy?? also
had the lisa gerrard tour prog listed as a sale item but alas no
price was given! anyone want to shed light on the Towards the Within
anomaly...??

in the mean time i best get my asbestos suit on...and who the hell is
LUSH anyway...are they old or new 4ad sounding??

sugar and spice dept
hemsy

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:58:15 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re. RHPs and Mark K. and 4AD


>"The
>feeling we were getting from 4AD was that we couldn't go in a studio and
>have fun any more," said Kozelek.

Ha ha hah ha hahh ha haaaaahh haah hahhhhh ha ha ha ha hhhhhahhh. He's such
a happy chappy our Mark is, eh? Such a joker....

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 01:01:58 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance - bootlegs?


...
...Attachment converted: Computer:Re- Dead Can Dance - bootlegs?
..(????/----) (0002A606)


Sometimes there are some strange documents attached to 4AD-l messages...


Why? And what the hell am I supposed to do with them?

Emiel


Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 20:58:41 -0500
From: SortSol@AOL.COM
Subject: No, I'm SortSol!


There will be no more SortSol (if you were paying attention, you know why).

1. Someone asked about UVS. I know that they are no longer on 4AD. Do they
still exist?

2. Does anyone know the whereabouts of Colourbox and/or Lorita Grahme (sp?)?

3. Just to get it straight, who is in RHP now? Who left? Who were the
musicians that Mark K. recorded with (someone mentioned this once before I
believe)?

4. The band TONE on Bruce Licher's IPR does contain Phil Krauth of Unrest. T
or F? (i.e. I want to know)

Regretfully,

Sibyl (who thinks that "Pump Up The Volume" is actually good)

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:08:56 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: RHP Videos


Does anyone out there know if it's possible to purchase RHP videos? I would
apreciate any information on the subject. Thanks!

Elvia

(elvia@uclink3.berkeley.edu)


Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:50:11 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Dead Can Dance Double?

              95 05:28:52 am

Hement Gopal <090GOPAL@UWCC.CC.WITS.AC.ZA> wrote:
 > The funny thing is that it had DCD towards the within marked as
 > double cd/tape/lp...right down to the catalogue nos too! anyone
 > know anything about this...is this a conspiracy?? also had the
 > lisa gerrard tour prog listed as a sale item but alas no price
 > was given! anyone want to shed light on the Towards the Within
 > anomaly...??

Same with Frank Black's last one, and the first self-titled Red House
Painters album - the DAD catalogue numbers are used for albums where
the *vinyl* version is a double disc, so you don't need to worry about
there being a double CD version of that DCD live album somewhere.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 15/11/95
On my walkman this morning : St Etienne - So Tough
Ah, love, let us be true

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 23:16:28 -0600
From: Michael C Lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD catalogue


>I finally got my 4AD catalogue in the mail, but I've still got a few
>questions.  First, does this automatically put me on the mailing list for
>all those things like free 7"'s and Christmas cards?  Second, I got mine
>from 4AD UK.  If I were to get it from 4AD US would I be able to order
>things through the US office or would it still go through the UK?
>Basically, I just want to know if it would be less costly and more expedient
>to get a new catalogue from the US office.

What's the sddress to get a catalog from the US office?

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 01:35:57 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Double Dead Can Dance


Wattso,

I also received that catalogue (and FTWW). As I recall, the CD is single (althou
h the
catalogue number is DAD) The vinyl version has the two extra tracks from a passa
e in
time i.e. Bird, Spirit. The CD doesn't. My "Towards the within"  is definitely s
ngle, but has
a DAD number on it. It's obviously a plot to confuse the masses and force us to 
collect"
it. My catalogue has a Scheer promo postcard and some "wormy looking things" on 
t.

I would imagine the wormy things are from the mouldy cabbage from your TMC
cover.  And by the way you are incorrect. In my dream the new TMC is a 4 album
 metal boxed set which contains real voodoo dolls of some members of the bands
 you mentioned....

Chris, who found Vaughan lurking in his veggie patch

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:51:54 -0500
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: predictions/Dilworth


>- Expect to hear from Dean Garcia, Richard Ashcroft, and Guy Chadwick.

What *is* Guy Chadwick doing these days? Did that new band of his, The
Madonnas, not get off the ground, or did he break it up once he realised
what an awful name it was?

>does anyone know what the rhythm section are doing
>now?  Dilworth has drummed for Stereolab and one of the songs on
>PJHarvey's last album, but I haven't heard anything about his getting a
>permanent job.

At the time of Stereolab's tour for Mars Audiac Quintet, Dilworth was on a
motorcycle trip around Europe, according to Duncan from Stereolab, but I
suppose he's finished that by now. I imagine he's doing photography again.

Dilworth is the only person to have a Saint Etienne song named after him
*and* to be mentioned in a different SE song...

Larry

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:19:37 -0500
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: kranky stuff/Stereolab


>Labradford and JEssamine are 2 great Kranky bands......

Absolutely. Labradford do a good atmospheric thing, especially on their new
one "A Stable Reference". Another recent release is by a New Zealand band
called Flies Inside the Sun, which should appeal to fans of all-out noise
and general sonic mayhem. Jessamine you will like if you are a fan of noisy
guitar a la Swirlies or Th' Faith Healers and/or droney old keyboards,
similar to Stereolab. Speaking of which...

>> stereolab are crap,
>
>Truer words were never spoken.

>them's fightin' words!

Never mind all that...I'd like to see you follow through with Brant's
eminently sensible idea: explain WHY and HOW they suck/rule, in your own
words, at least 500 words, on my desk by Thursday lunchtime.

Laetitia thinks you're a capitalist worm,

Larry

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 01:10:20 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance - boot info


For whoever is compiling the DCD boot info, here is one I have, good quality

Dead Can Dance - "Europe 1987"
Live Storm Records (made in Italy) #LSCD51514

1. Anywhere Out Of The World (4'14")
2. Host Of Seraphim (4'30")
3. The Arcane (4'34")
4. Cantara (3'54")
5. Indoctrination (6'16")
6. Dreams Made Flesh (5'56")
7. Enigma Of The Absolute (4'14")
8. Ocean (2'39")
9. In The Wake Of Adversity (3'55")
10. In Power We Intrust (4'45")
11. Xavier (4'00")
12. Circum Radient Dawn (4'42")
13. Persephone (3'01")
14. At First And Then (5'00")
15. Avatar (3'17")
16. Severance (4'05")
17. The Children's Toys (4'16")

The sleeve doesn't say where in Europe it was recorded, all it says is
"Recorded Live In Europe, February 22nd 1987"
It was recorded in front of an audience, but not in the order on the CD (i.e.
there's a blank space in between each song)
I also know some of the songs on the sleeve are mistitled.  For example, #9
(if I'm not mistaken) should be "In power we entrust the love advocated"
(from the first self-titled CD of course).  But I listed the songs as they
appear on the sleeve.  I hope this helps someone.

-Blue
"Know who you are at every age" - CT

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 23:16:19 -0600
From: Michael C Lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: unpopular 4ad albums


>        Well, my favorite Pixies album is "Trompe Le Monde". Really, it
>is. Is there a single person here who shares that view? I noticed it was
>the only Pixies album not included in someone's "best of each year" list.
>
Favorite Pixies Album, hummm, Surfa Rosa is an undeniable classic
(Gigantic, River Euphraties, Vamos) But Trompe Le Monde is also truly great
(Head on, Subucultcha, planet of sound, U-mass) but let's not forget
doolittle (debaser, no 13 baby, I blead, tame, dead) However I would have
to cast my vote for the Come on Pilgram EP (vamos, ed is dead, I've been
tired, caribou, nimrods son, basically the whole darn thing is good) It
lacks some of the passion of Surfa Rosa, but it still walks the thin line
of mania while preserving talent, a well balanced EP, however, I'm open to
having my mind changed if anyone can pursuade me otherwise.

mike


Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:39:15 -0500
From: Andrea Dawn Meth (ameth@EMORY.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD catalogue


 Could someone please tell me how to get on the 4AD mailing list to
receive/purchase a catalogue (in the US or UK) Thanks!

Andrea
ameth@emory.edu

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:38:08 -0500
From: "Maura A. Smale" (mas5815@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: air miami


hi,

i'm on the indiepop list as well as 4ad and someone recently asked this
question and we weren't sure about the answer so i said i'd ask it here...

thanks in advance to everyone who responds!

maura

we now have a new rule on the bus: passengers will refrain
from killing my soul! --stu the bus driver
        mas5815@is2.nyu.edu

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: 14 Nov 1995 15:23:22 U
From: David Dunn (David_Dunn@erm.com)
Subject: air miami


but what i want to know is, what's the deal with the two
air miami cassettes that are advertised inside the album's
booklet. does anybody have these?  do they really exist?

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:56:48 -0600
From: Chad Burkey (burkey@CSTAR.AC.COM)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 and TMC box set


Hi Charles,

Me again.  I forgot one of the main points of my letter you you!  Is the TMC
box still available?  If so then I would really like to buy it.

Thanks,

Chad

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                          I speak only for myself

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:55:31 -0500
From: Hement Gopal (090GOPAL@UWCC.CC.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: Double Dead Can Dance


> I also received that catalogue (and FTWW). As I recall, the CD is single (alt
> hough the
> catalogue number is DAD) The vinyl version has the two extra tracks from a pa
> ssage in
> time i.e. Bird, Spirit. The CD doesn't. My "Towards the within"  is definitel

hmmm sounds like the into the labyrinth double vinyl set...it too has
the two unreleased trax (bird/spirit) on it....in fact spirit in on
the dcd box set promo cd too if me brain is in working order...guess
i'll have to check it out tonite...the disc not my brain!!

piss & vinegar dept.
hemsy


Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:11:12 +0100
From: bdmwilli@GLAM.AC.UK
Subject: Merchandise List


Please send a merchandise list or any info regarding 4AD logo/pixies t-shirts,  
hanks Dave.

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:46:18 -0600
From: Chad Burkey (burkey@CSTAR.AC.COM)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 and TMC box set


At 12:51 pm 11/14/95 EST, you wrote:
>There is a TMC box set sitting in a local record store for $45.  The shrink
>wrap is torn off but for 4 discs costing the usual $50 to $70 this is a good
>price.  I think that the TMC box set is discontinued.  E-mail me privately if
>you wish to buy this excellent box set.
>
>I was wondering if anyone has access to the new Mojave 3 cd on import.  I've
>been combing all of the record stores in the PRovidence and Boston area and
>have been coming up empty.  If anyone has access to one I will pay all
>shipping and handling and cost of the record and have my heartfelt gratitude.
>Thanks.

Hi Charles,

You can order the Mojave disc from Intergalatic Garage  (contact information
below).  This is were I ordered mine.  I believe that the total cost of the
whole thing after shipping and stuff was about $28.  Not exactly cheap, but
at least they have it.

Hope this helps,

Chad

Here is the IG information:

INTERGALACTIC GARAGE
POB 3047
Shepherdstown, WV
25443
(304) 876-6818
(304) 876-9414 FAX
best Email = igg@intrepid.net
Home Page: http://www.intrepid.net/igg/igg.html

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Chad Burkey                                             Andersen Consulting
burkey@cstar.ac.com                Center for Strategic Technology Research
                          I speak only for myself

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:43:33 +0100
From: Gerrit Heirbaut (Heirbaut_Gerrit/softcell@SOFTCELL.BE)
Subject: Re: unpopular 4ad albums


--openmail-part-004fe0f1-00000001

I must definitly reply to tell that I fully agree on the Pixies albums;
it's shame that after they've splitted up, neither Frank Black or Kim
Deal reached the same level as they did with the Pixies, although the
Breeders had some good singles and maybe Kim's new project is something
to look forward to.  Let's hope -after a bad sale- they reconsider
working back together.  At least I will continue buying their next records.
----------
From: 4AD-L; lawmic
Subject: Re: unpopular 4ad albums

Date: Wednesday, 15 November, 1995 05:16 > Well, my favorite Pixies album is "Trompe Le Monde". Really, it >is. Is there a single person here who shares that view? I noticed it was >the only Pixies album not included in someone's "best of each year" list. > Favorite Pixies Album, hummm, Surfa Rosa is an undeniable classic (Gigantic, River Euphraties, Vamos) But Trompe Le Monde is also truly great (Head on, Subucultcha, planet of sound, U-mass) but let's not forget doolittle (debaser, no 13 baby, I blead, tame, dead) However I would have to cast my vote for the Come on Pilgram EP (vamos, ed is dead, I've been tired, caribou, nimrods son, basically the whole darn thing is good) It lacks some of the passion of Surfa Rosa, but it still walks the thin line of mania while preserving talent, a well balanced EP, however, I'm open to having my mind changed if anyone can pursuade me otherwise. mike --openmail-part-004fe0f1-00000001 eJ8+IgAAAQuAAQAuAAAAdjAxNTMwNTA0YWNjZWRjYjQ4NWU0KGEpKDA5MSkxNDAuODguMi4y NigwOTMpAKoK --openmail-part-004fe0f1-00000001--

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:23:48 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: NEW THIS MORTAL COIL?


Ha ha ha!

I, for one, am glad to see you back, Hemsy.  Your off-beat humor is what this
list has been missing lately.  (not to take anything away from e's offbeat
humor...)


marvynHortman                ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 15:30:18 +0100
From: Katy Renick (katy.renick@STUDENT.UNI-TUEBINGEN.DE)
Subject: Re: This mortal coil


On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Emiel Efdee wrote:

> ...BTW - was the box a Limited Edition?
>
> There were 'only' 2000 boxes released.
>
> That's about 8000 cd's
>
> I've got one, my sister owns a copy so there must be 1998 elsewhere...
>
>
> Emiel
>
I have one! (and i love it too!).
kate.

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 15:37:20 +0100
From: Katy Renick (katy.renick@STUDENT.UNI-TUEBINGEN.DE)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance - bootlegs?


On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, cz wrote:

>         Holly said:
> >Hi. I have two CDs of DCD not on 4AD.  I think they are bootlegs.  Anyone
> have these?  Are there others like the ones I have?  Anyone want more
> information on these?
>
>         I have a different one called "Gothic Spleens" but actually i seem
> to remember that there are two pairs of duplicate boot CD's with different
> names.

hey, i've got a few myself.  and, i was wondering if you also had noticed
that some of these tracks were recorded by lisa gerrard on her new
album (i.e., "Arabian Gothic" becomes "Swans"--very beautiful, i must say).
kate.


Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:29:30 -0500
From: Me Me Me (CHUBSCOUT@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: air miami


The two air miami cassettes advertised inside the album's booklet were
privately given out by Mark Robinson as gifts to his friends & employees.
 They were never commercially available, and unfortunately prolly never will
be.  Anyone who can get me a copy of one or both please e-mail me  ;)

PS  I have a live AM bootleg tape from 2/16/95 which features "I Hate Milk"
with different lyrics!  Can't really make 'em out though...


Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:07:49 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 and TMC box set


  I bought my TMC box set in Albuquerque for around $33 (course, I worked
at the store I bought it at, so....).  It's a good investment.  Really
enjoyable to listen to, especially the Thais pieces, and that one that
sounds like a ship in the fog (what was that called?  I want to say the
Pierced Heart or somethign similar to that).  If you don't want to invest
in the whole thing, just get Filigree and Shadow.  It hsa the above
mentioned tracks.


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Will Coucheron-Aamot *   lovesliescrushing    *    infected because we
Delta Lambda Phi     * FSA, shiFt, Slowdive   *    are all affected.
******************************************************************************


Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:05:38 -0500
From: a Bear of Very Little Brain (farrago@BETA.DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Tim Buckley (Re: "Another Day"/Apartments)


>> Well, Tim Buckley, Roy Harper... they're both 70's folk singers with one
>> syllable first names and two syllable last names, etc., etc....

>After hearing the This Mortal Coil versions of Tim Buckley songs, I had
>to get some of his stuff and found it to all be great. Try "Dream Letter"
>or "Live at the Troubador"

Most definitely, 'Dream Letter' and 'Live at the Troubadour' comprise a very
good starting point for Tim Buckley's works.  If memory serves, those two
live albums document a period in Buckley's career that I personally find to
be his peak (somewhere around 'Happy/Sad' and 'Starsailor').

Okay, so can anyone recommend a good Roy Harper album to get?

Cheers,


hk
--
"We were swinging on so nice, bubbly pink champagne on ice,
 Nancy, Jaques Closeau and Claire, I believe they all were there
 Having the time of their lives..." - The Cardigans

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:09:43 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Predictions...


On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Johnathan A. Rickman wrote:

> This predictions thread got my thoughts a rollin', and it seems I have
> some predictions of my own............................................
>
> AIR MIAMI
> (i'll bet 4ad won't push their new album - have they really? - or any


Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, YES.... EMPHATICALLY YES.

It went number 1 in CMJ, ya know.


Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:07:37 -0800
From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@SUN1.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: sinkhole


I noticed whilst perusing the eyesore database last night that Sinkhole
was on one of the first Throwing Muses CDs. Is this the same Sinkhole
that's on the new Kristen Hersh Holy Single? Does anyone eat pomegranets
anymore? Enquiring minds want to know.

thanks,

matthew

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:19:35 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cath Carroll (the woman)


>> more importantly, is it still available?
>
>Factory went down 3 years ago, so you'll have to look for a second hand
>copy, I'm afraid. Or try to get in touch with someone in Germany. The album
>was re-issued there via Rough Trade in 1992.
>
that said, does anyone have an extra copy?

eric


Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 21:10:54 +0100
From: Roland Ulbert (roland@ILLUMINATUS.OR.AT)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance - bootlegs?

              Nov 14, 95 08:48:52 pm

And lo!, cz spake unto the masses:
>         I have a different one called "Gothic Spleens" but actually i seem
> to remember that there are two pairs of duplicate boot CD's with different
> names and different covers that are from the same concert.   so, be careful.
You are right, I have one called "Ailema", which is also the Belgium 93
concert. I don't know if it's exactly the same as "Dark Christmas" - if
anyone wants to compare, "Ailema" has 18 tracks (first is "Amelia", last "Angel
Tears")
The second DCD bootleg I own is called "The Rare Traxx" and has been "recorded
live in the US 90-94". Sound quality is quite good.
Tracks are:
- Fuaelo
- Spleens
- Lilian Colours
- End of a Circle
- Desert Sun
- Mystical Rain
- Sailing the Sea
- Watch over me
- Out Of A Serpent's Egg
- Amelia
- Ignis
- Lost Treasure
- Forest Of Souls
- Factuus
- Empty Dreams
- Mourner Rose
- Garden of Refuge
- Ichor

Some other bootlegs I know of: "Golden Age" (fairly old, ~86), "Mystical Rain"

++roland

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:15:32 -0600
From: Chad Burkey (burkey@CSTAR.AC.COM)
Subject: Sorry!


Forgot to check those damn headers!

My sincerest apologies,

Chad

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Chad Burkey                                             Andersen Consulting
burkey@cstar.ac.com                Center for Strategic Technology Research
                          I speak only for myself

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:04:00 EST
From: CALLAHAN (CALLAHAN%DIALOGVM@MCIMAIL.COM)
Subject: Legendary Pink Box?


A bunch of LPD CDs showed up recently and I am curious about the
contents of the Legendary Pink Box. Is it a comp? Remixes? Repackaging
of original albums? Worth getting? Thanks.

--michael--
callahan%dialogvm@mcimail.com

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 12:49:36 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: sleazy e and the Re: Merchandise List


On Wed, 15 Nov 1995 bdmwilli@GLAM.AC.UK wrote:

> Please send a merchandise list or
> any info regarding 4AD logo/pixies t-shirts,  thanks Dave.

should we send dave a faux list of things he can buy??
since when did the flame department become
the merchandise section??

3rd floor... auto parts and baby food.

thanks e for making the list readable the past
few days... it was quite dramatic and about the
only thing i read through the 10 gazillion messages...
i hope you people realize e thrives on your blood...
and flames. you always have been the voice of reason.
a sincere thanks from lil' spirally me. :)

                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu
ps. you know? you could tell me what you think
about the moons boat you bastard... dont pull a j.

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:57:00 PST
From: bahman (IZZYW5B@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals


i am interested in collecting all liz frazer vocals on non-cocteau
tracks. below is the list of all the tracks that i am aware of.
if anyone has any comments or info, please share them w/ the rest of us:

1. this mortal coil--
song to siren
another day
16days, gathering dust

2. ian Mcculloch
candleland
heaven's gate

3. wolfgang press
respect
i am the crime

4. dif juzz
love insane

5. Felt (one of my favorite bands)
primitive painters

4. peace it-- be still
the robin guthrie mix

bahman


Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:51:55 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: This mortal coil


>Personally, while 'It'll All End in Tears' has more than its share of
>outstanding songs (albeit covers, including a characteristically wordless
>rendition of Roy Harper's "Another Day" sung by our favorite twitchy siren
>Liz Fraser)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Interesting story about this song.  I read once in a magazine that Kate Bush
was a big Tim Buckley fan, so back in the early '80's she and Peter Gabriel
did a duet of it.... AND IT WAS NEVER RELEASED!!!!AAAARRRRRGGGG...

Being one of my favorite songs sung by one of my favorite artists, I was
obviously a little incensed.  I finally found a copy of a demo of the song
on a KB bootleg, but the quality was definitely below mediocre.

Maybe in a parallel universe somewhere, it reached #1 and stayed there for
15 weeks straight.  I can only hope.

Jake

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:56:00 PST
From: "Patrick D. Oltraver" (seraphim@CTS.COM)
Subject: Mary Margaret O'Hara


        In response to the person from AOL asking where to find the 'Miss
America' album by Mary Margaret O'Hara:
1. Look around at used record stores.  It's out of print.
2. The artwork is done by Mary Margaret O'Hara herself, NOT Chris Bigg!
Unless the part on the liner notes that said "Album Artwork : M2O'H" is some
strange sister company of V23.
3. This album was produced by Michael Brook, which may be the 4AD connection
you were thinking of.
4. 'Help me lift you up' is the best song on the album... so don't expect a
potpourri of shimmering brilliance.

Glad to be of assistance, please deposit 20 cents for the next 10 minutes.
This is my Stupid Signature Line

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:13:19 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: sinkhole


> Does anyone eat pomegranets anymore?

Of course!  I *love* pomegranets!  I used to go vist my grandmother's farm and
pick these things up all the time and eat them.  Unique flavor!


marvynHortman                   ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:43:08 -0600
From: "Kendal..." (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance - bootlegs? *Plus*

              "Katy Renick" at Nov 15, 95 03:37:20 pm

Yes, did anyone mention Mystic Dreams, which is definitely not put out
by them themselves, considering the bootleggy titles and the cover
art??
                                *Kendal*

>
> On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, cz wrote:
>
> >         Holly said:
> > >Hi. I have two CDs of DCD not on 4AD.  I think they are bootlegs.  Anyone
> > have these?  Are there others like the ones I have?  Anyone want more
> > information on these?
> >
> >         I have a different one called "Gothic Spleens" but actually i seem
> > to remember that there are two pairs of duplicate boot CD's with different
> > names.
>
> hey, i've got a few myself.  and, i was wondering if you also had noticed
> that some of these tracks were recorded by lisa gerrard on her new
> album (i.e., "Arabian Gothic" becomes "Swans"--very beautiful, i must say).
> kate.
>


Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:30:18 -0500
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Predictions...


Hate ta burst yo' bubble, but CMJ ALWAYS gives any Mark Robinson release
mad props. Then again, this #1, was it for college radio results, or for
CMJ staff picks? If it was for the former, then I must say I'm surprised,
i wasn't aware that Air Miami was getting so much college air play!
Then again, I live in D.C. which is totally devoid of college radio.
If it was for the latter, then I would argue it has more to do with a
bunch o' hip New Yorkers (CMJ staffers) who always worship at the TeenBeat
alter. This is great for publicity, but 4ad had little to do with it. It
coulda been on Cleopatra & CMJ woulda given it the highest rating.
Ya see - the power of Mark E. in effect!

Sorry to sound negative, and thanks for pointing the CMJ fact out, but
I'm still not convinced 4AD will push Air Miami the way they have other
acts - i.e. Breeders, Lush, etc...

 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 ''J''O''H''N'''''''R''I''C''K''M''A''N''''''''''''''''''''''''
                                       jknee@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, J Beswick (c.l.g.e.) wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Johnathan A. Rickman wrote:
>
> > This predictions thread got my thoughts a rollin', and it seems I have
> > some predictions of my own............................................
> >
> > AIR MIAMI
> > (i'll bet 4ad won't push their new album - have they really? - or any
>
>
> Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, YES.... EMPHATICALLY YES.
>
> It went number 1 in CMJ, ya know.

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:58:11 -0800
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP


> any more word on the December 8 date in Frisco Me and a bunch of friends
> are gonna drive out from SLC if so!
>
I don't know about that show but Mark is doing a solo acoustic thingy
here in Seattle on Nov. 21st at some place called the Tracter Tavern.
Will I be there?  Of course.  Anyone else in the area might want to stop
in as well, if you're 21.  It's only $6!

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:27:22 -0800
From: nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals


Ok. Here are some others:

Medicine
        time baby 3

Felt
        the day the rain came down
        (it's hardly noticeable, but it IS credited)

and remember that there are two different versions
of "Candleland", both with her vocals (as far as I
recall). Liz actually appears in the video!

I've got a feeling there are others, but they aren't
coming to me.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:02:37 -0800
From: ozymandias G desiderata (ogd@ORGANIC.COM)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 and TMC box set

              <9511151346.AA25443@junior.tp.ac>

I hate to say this, but I bought the Mojave 3 CD (and it looks, for all
intents and purposes, to be an import copy) for $14.99 at Rasputin's in
Berkeley, CA. After reading everybody's posts I have no idea why my copy was
so cheap, but I'm sure that one of us Bay Area 4AD-L people could
periodically check out for it at Mod Lang / Rasputin's / Amoeba (you can't
shop at just one!) if any of y'all are interested.

yrz,
ozy

ozymandias G desiderata      ogd@organic.com       Ravers Suck Our Sound
(415)284-6888     http://www.organic.com/Staff/ogd/       ::AOAIOXXYSZ::

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 12:40:50 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re. DCD Bootlegs


Just to add my two pennies worth, I got this DCD CD at a recrd fair in
Glasgow. There were actually four there. One was exactly the same recording
as this one, but different artwork and design of CD. One other was
seriously bad quality, and another was pretty good quality and was their
earlier stuff (not my cup o' tea).

This one is okay quality, bit quiet (apart from the audience - especially
the person standing next to whoever recorded the gig - he coughs bloody
loudly!).

The CD is on (surprise surprise)  records from Italy, and has
quite a nice cover - sepia torso of a girl with a superimposed clockface
without hands. It says it was recorded at the Wiltern Theatre, Nov 15 1993:

1  Yulunga 6'34"                                        Yulunga
2  Solo (Lisa Gerrard) 2"40"                            Persian Love Song
3  Sinful Garden 6'05"                                  Rakim
4  The Song of Sisyl (traditional) 4'42"                Song of the Sybyl
5  Desert Sun 4'15"                                     Desert Song
6  Mystical Rain 6'50"                                  Tristan/Sanvean (5'50")
7  Woman 2'56"                                          I Can See Now
8  Watch Over Me 4'34"                                  American Dreaming
9  Horn Solo 3'52"                                      Piece for Solo Flute
10 The Wind that Shakes the Barley 2'56"                The Wind...
11 I am Stretched on Your Grave (Traditional) 4'39"     I am...
12 Mourning 3'58"                                       Dreams are Like Flesh
13 Sailing The Seas 3'50                                ?
14 Rememberance 5'10"                                   Oman
15 Cantara 4'58                                         Cantara

The recorder obviously wasn't a great fan - but he seems to have had a good
stab at making up some titles for some of the songs. And there I was hoping
that they'd be stuff I hadn't heard and only one was!

The total play time is 67.00.

Andie

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 01:33:43 +0100
From: Roland Ulbert (roland@ILLUMINATUS.OR.AT)
Subject: Re: Minty 23 or the 1996(?) Calender

              Nov 14, 95 05:20:42 pm

And lo!, Frank Brinkhuis spake unto the masses:
>
> I just got the v23 'Modern Calender' in the mail (there's no sign that it is
> a calender for 1996!). All I can say is that I'm.... slightly disappointed.
"Slighlty disappointed" is quite mildly put - in fact, I'm very disappointed.
Somehow, I expected a calendar designed by v23 - however, only very few
are done by them (at least, I've never heard of the other artists in
context of v23 (in fact, I've never heard of them at all)):
One month is by S. Larbalestier, one by C.Bigg and one by V. Olivier
himself (and although I generally like Olivier's work, this is certainly
well below his usual standard)
The months done by the other artists are with few execptions fairly
uninteresting photographs.
> Just 13 (14) nice pictures.
About 4 pictures are nice, 4 are so-so, and the others are imo quite ugly.
> I think the 1993 calender was far better and
Actually, I think all other calendars are far better (if anyone has one
to spare, drop me a mail ;)
> And no decorated cardboard box, just the calender. The calender is also not
> part of the 4AD catalogue (the cat.# is MINTY 23), so officially it doesn't
> count as another nail in 4AD's coffin :) :)
Praise God for small favours ;)

++roland

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           ..und da macht ein hauch mich von verfall erzittern..


Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:46:05 +1300
From: Robin Fargher (robinf@DEV.WHOLESALE.NBNZ.CO.NZ)
Subject: Re: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals



Future Sound of London - Lifeforms EP


Robin

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:52:44 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Ooops, I meant "with tomorrow" not "another day"


Earlier in my gushings about _Blood_ I meant to say the other song I liked with
the piano was "with tomorrow" not "another day".  All this talk about "another
day" had that on my brain when I sent the other note.

mH

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:05:17 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: NO WAY MAN; _BLOOD_ R U L E S !!!!!!!!


BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD!!!!  ...and nothing but!

Everyone rags on this one as being the weakest of the three, but I gotta
disagree.  "You and Your Sister" is one of the most haunting songs I've ever
heard...I still get chills when I listen to it.

"..til I gain control again" is also one of my favorite songs.  God, have you
heard the original?  Who is it?  Tammy Wynette or someone that did it?  I
absolutely love the old piano in that song.  I recently inherited my aunt's old
piano which sounds identical to the one in the song; and I grew up listening to
that piano, so that song along with "another day" really evoke strong feelings
in me.  However, I always thought she said "..that marks the straightest jetti's
end" instead of "that marks the safest journey's end." which I got from the
original version so that kinda depressed me.  I had images of a jetti poking out
in the water in the dead of night with a lonely lighthouse at the end.
Nonetheless, THIS SONG RULES!!

Speaking of perfection, the initial way the CD starts out also just relaxes the
hell out of me.  I hear it start out and just lose myself in the wash.  I can be
having the worst day of my life; and I hear this CD start up and I'm instantly
in the best mood.

The cover of Syd Barrett's "Late Night" is also good; and I really like the
"sicker than a cat" song; I forgot the name.

Anyway, I like Filigree and Shadow (I bought it on tape in 1986, I think and
fell totally in love with it on a three-hour drive home one time; I later bought
the CD to it.)

Next I bought "It'll End In Tears"; which, maybe I'm not that "into" the old 4AD
sound; but I liked it the least.  (Course, the only Cocteau Twins album that
really struck me was "Heaven Or Las Vegas" so you can see my bias.)

Finally, in 1991, I saw "Blood" in a Tower Records in New Orleans; I bought it
and have been completely in love with it ever since.  I almost don't want to
listen to it too much (ever feel this way?) for fear of it becoming too
"commonplace" in that it doesn't have the same feelings I get now whenever I
listen to it.

Then a couple of years ago I bought the box set and I have to second the
recommendation about the orignal disc in the set.  It is incredible as well.
Especially after hearing all these songs for years; and then get the orignal (in
some cases) more haunting versions of the songs as well?

Sheesh.  Ivo truly is a genius (at times).  hemsy, don't worry; I think if he
can turn mediocre talent like Heidi Berry into a goddess on this CD; that he can
even make something out of Scheer and Tarnation if he chooses to put together
another TMC.

In brief; instead of each TMC getting weaker; I feel just the opposite.  Even in
the weird order I bought them in, I still rank them:

1.  Blood (by a wide,   W    I     D      E    margin)
2.  Filigree and Shadow
3.  It'll End In Tears


PS You fools!  Diedre R. is a goddes and "The Kindness of Strangers" is an
awesome work.  Go listen to it again.  I'll wrastle anyone who says otherwise.


(I'm getting ready to go join wattso on the piss and vinegar list)

marvynHortman                 ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 15:01:24 -0800
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Another Day versions


> was a big Tim Buckley fan, so back in the early '80's she and Peter Gabriel
> did a duet of it.... AND IT WAS NEVER RELEASED!!!!AAAARRRRRGGGG...

I've got a copy of this song from a live bootleg. It's
fairly good quality as bootlegs go. I would think that this
was the way the song was always meant to be performed,
to better agree with the lyrical content. It's also
the first time I ever heard this song and I just figured
it was some Peter Gabriel thing. Silly me. He also
does a stirring version of "Here Comes The Flood"
(? I hope that's the right title).
The bootleg is called something like "The Wizards Quest"
or some such nonsense, and it's a double vinyl thing.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 18:13:39 -0500
From: Michael N Schlesinger (mns6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Hector Zazou?


On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Andrea Dawn Meth wrote:

> Could someone please tell me more about Hector Zazou? I know he'w worked
> w/Siouxsie & Dead Can Dance (not bad I know!)
>
> Also, does anyone have a copy of the "Moonchild" soundtrack performed by
> Dead Can Dance?
>
> Thanks,
> Andrea
> ameth@emory.edu
>
>
>
Hector Zazou has made two albums, "Songs From the Cold Seas" and "Sahara
Blue."

Both albums are of the compilation sort, but with pretty clear central
direction from Hector Zazou. Sahara Blue is the first and has a more
industrial edge, the second album is more ethnically diverse. Take your
pick, they're both interesting.

Michael

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 18:47:31 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Naughty No. 23


At 17:20 14-11-1995, Frank Brinkhuis wrote:

...I just got the v23 'Modern Calender' in the mail (there's no sign that it is
...a calender for 1996!). All I can say is that I'm.... slightly disappointed.
...Just 13 (14) nice pictures.


And you can't write all of those favourite birthdays of family and friends
on it as well...

Just kidding, I think they (v23 and friends) made a beautiful piece of
work. I hoped it would be more than 14 pieces of paper, some hardboard and
a wire-o but the pictures are great. I love the idea of not putting the
days of the week on it because I never use a wall-calender to see what day
it is anyway... Sometimes I still look at April in August. So why make it
functional? I am not disappointed with this thing (than again, I don't have
copies of the first two calendars) but I don't think it's one of 'the
studio's most challenging designs' as Vaughan (is that him on the cover??)
likes to call it. I think this thing will be on my wall in 1997 too.
Vaughan himself did a great job by working with Ichiro Kono, I have seen
other images from this artist and I like it.

Look at number 23, it's a naughty little socker!


Any of the other calenders for sale somwhere?




   Emiel Efdee

-
   efdee@luna.nl (the netherlands)
-
   http://www.luna.nl/~efdee
-

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:34:12 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Re. RHPs and Mark K. and 4AD


At 6:58 PM 11/14/95, Andrew Massey wrote:
>>"The
>>feeling we were getting from 4AD was that we couldn't go in a studio and
>>have fun any more," said Kozelek.
>
>Ha ha hah ha hahh ha haaaaahh haah hahhhhh ha ha ha ha hhhhhahhh. He's such
>a happy chappy our Mark is, eh? Such a joker....

your point being....?

Elvia

(elvia@uclink3.berkeley.edu)


Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:35:18 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Legendary Pink Box? (long)


You wrote:
>
>A bunch of LPD CDs showed up recently and I am curious about the
>contents of the Legendary Pink Box. Is it a comp? Remixes? Repackaging
>of original albums? Worth getting? Thanks.
>
>--michael--
>callahan%dialogvm@mcimail.com
>
I own this puppy, here's the listing of both CDs from the liner notes:

CD1
Pearl Moon
Tanzder China Dolls
Obession
Thrusday Night Fever
Time Dance
The Blessing
God Speed
A Day at the Dreamies
Close Your Eyes, You Can Be A Space Captain
Permonition 13

CD2
(Still) Defeated ( 1981)
Voices (1980)
Hauptbanhof (1981)
Closet Kings (1981)
Clean Up (1982)
Government Health Warning (1984)
Film of the Book (1982)
Ego Tripper (1983)
Curse - the Sequel (1983)
The Plasma Twins (1983)
Apocalypse Soon (1983)
Rapunzel
Black Highway (1981)
Swordfish Lament

HTH
cheers, euthelene

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 01:44:18 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Naughty No. 23


Emile wrote (Nov 15):

> I think they (v23 and friends) made a beautiful piece of work.
>Vaughan himself did a great job by working with Ichiro Kono, I have seen
>other images from this artist and I like it.

>Look at number 23, it's a naughty little socker!


What naughty? It's a football player! He's only trying to get in the box!!

(I know, this is a VERY sexist joke)

Frank

P.S. He Lars, what do you think about the match in Rotterdam last night!
++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:43:25 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Predictions... (fwd)


On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Johnathan A. Rickman wrote:

> Hate ta burst yo' bubble, but CMJ ALWAYS gives any Mark Robinson release
> mad props. Then again, this #1, was it for college radio results, or for
> CMJ staff picks? If it was for the former, then I must say I'm surprised,


Surprise!  It was number one on their college radio chart.  Beat out
Sonic Youth even.



Strick9


Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:11:11 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Pale Saints / Tom Waits


Pale Saints are one of the artists on the Tom Waits tribute:


                    Step Right Up, The Music of Tom Waits

If we have to tell you how cool Tom Waits is, then you may as well skip this
and go to the Barry Manilow website. If however, you are hip to one of the
world's truly iconoclastic songwriter/poet/raconteur(s) then you are going
to superdig this disc. I mean c'mon...it would be an awesome LP just for the
songwriting. But, when you've got some of Waits best songs performed by
artists like 10,000 Maniacs (the last track released w/Natalie Merchant),
Tindersticks, Drugstore, Violent Femmes, Alex Chilton, Pete Shelley, The
Wedding Present, Dave Alvin, Magnapop, Pale Saints, Frente!, Tim Buckley,
Jeffrey Lee Pierce, Archers of Loaf and These Immortal Souls...well, need we
say more? Well, maybe just one more thing...on the cover of the LP is one of
the only pictures we could find of the legendary Tropicana Hotel--the Home
of Waits, Rickie Lee Jones, and just about any L. A. Hipster you'd care to
name. This record is available everywhere in the U. S. from your fave record
store, or Caroline Distributors. For the rest of the world, look for it on
the totally wacky Virgin label.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

 Manifesto Records announces the upcoming release of album "Step Right Up:
 The Songs of Tom Waits," which will be released worldwide on November 6,
 1995.

 The full line-up for the album is as follows:

 * DRUGSTORE                    "Old Shoes"

 * TINDERSTICKS                 "Mockin' Bird"

 * PETE SHELLEY                 "Better Off Without A Wife"

 * THE WEDDING PRESENT          "Red Shoes by the Drugstore"

 * VIOLENT FEMMES               "Step Right Up"

 * ALEX CHILTON                 "Downtown"

 * ARCHERS OF LOAF              "Big Joe and Phantom 309"

 * THESE IMMORTAL SOULS         "You Can't Unring a Bell"

 * JEFFREY LEE PIERCE           "Pasties and a G-String"

 * MAGNAPOP                     "Christmas Card from a Hooker in
                                Minneapolis"

 * DAVE ALVIN                   "Ol' 55"

 * PALE SAINTS                  "Jersey Girl"

 * TIM BUCKLEY                  "Martha"

 * FRENTE!                      "Ruby's Arms"

 * 10,000 MANIACS               "I Hope That I Don't Fall In Love With You"

 The album will be out in the U.S. and Canada through Caroline
 Distribution, and in U.K., Europe, and Australia through Virgin Records.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------


the Manifesto Records Home Page:






   Emiel Efdee

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   efdee@luna.nl (the netherlands)
-
   http://www.luna.nl/~efdee
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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:43:16 +0800
From: Lim May Lin Melissa (art50981@LEONIS.NUS.SG)
Subject: Re: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals


On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, bahman wrote:

> i am interested in collecting all liz frazer vocals on non-cocteau
> tracks. below is the list of all the tracks that i am aware of.
> if anyone has any comments or info, please share them w/ the rest of us:

 ...aside from those you listed, there's the 'Lifeforms' e.p (paths 1-7)
 by Future Sound of London where Liz does vox...


 -mel-

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 20:47:25 -0500
From: jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU
Subject: Mary Margaret O'Hara


A lot of people have been asking about M2O'H's "Miss America," so I thought
I'd provide what info I could.

I have no idea if it's still in print, but here's the US cat. info:  Virgin
Records 91274.  It is genius.  If you like Lisa Germano and/or Kendra Smith,
you really should check it out.  Check it out even if you don't like them,
because she's better than they are.  Actually, those comparisons are
probably not as good as Tarnation and Mojave 3.  There's definately a
country feel to it.  Sort of a "deranged k.d. lang" vibe.  And what a voice!

Contrary to at least one opinion, I don't think the album is just "Help Me
Lift You Up" and a bunch of filler.  It is the best song (head and shoulders
above the TMC version), but "To Cry About," "Body in Trouble," and "You Will
Be Loved Again" are brilliant too.

Anyway, good luck finding it.  I hope the information helps you.

-- Jeff

Jeffrey T. Gayton
jtgayton@polisci.wisc.edu

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 20:30:44 -0500
From: The Spangle Maker (bvlaonip@EMAIL.UNC.EDU)
Subject: Re: non-cocteau liz frazer vocals


Don't forget the 'Lifeforms' 7-track EP by Future Sound of London, 'Time
Baby 3' by Medicine, that Bathers track which I don't know the name of,
the tribute to Pink Floyd with the London Philharmonic Orchestra, and I
believe there may also be one other Felt track called something like 'The
Day the Rains Came Down'.  Heard of this?

On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, bahman wrote:

> i am interested in collecting all liz frazer vocals on non-cocteau
> tracks. below is the list of all the tracks that i am aware of.
> if anyone has any comments or info, please share them w/ the rest of us:
>
> 1. this mortal coil--
> song to siren
> another day
> 16days, gathering dust
>
> 2. ian Mcculloch
> candleland
> heaven's gate
>
> 3. wolfgang press
> respect
> i am the crime
>
> 4. dif juzz
> love insane
>
> 5. Felt (one of my favorite bands)
> primitive painters
>
> 4. peace it-- be still
> the robin guthrie mix
>
> bahman
>


Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:58:27 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Hector Zazou?


>Hector Zazou has made two albums, "Songs From the Cold Seas" and "Sahara
>Blue."
>Both albums are of the compilation sort, but with pretty clear central
>direction from Hector Zazou. Sahara Blue is the first and has a more
>industrial edge, the second album is more ethnically diverse. Take your
>pick, they're both interesting.

Hector Zazou has several albums, not just two.  Unfortunately i only have
these two to compare.  I like them both but I find "Sahara Blue" a heck of a
lot better than "Songs from the Cold Seas".  I think it is missleading to
say that Sahara Blue is more industrial since neither of them are very
industrial.  SB has more haunting songs and i'd say a bit dreamjazzier.  SB
has Brendan and Lisa.  SftCS has Siouxsie on her continueing crusade for
mediocrity.  SB is based on the poetry of Arthur Rimbaud so if you like that
decadent french poetry (which i do!) then i'd recommend getting this album
first.

-cz

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 17:53:37 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Fave TMC tunes


I'm glad there's finally some discussion on TMC, because if it weren't for
that particular project I probably wouldn't be the 4AD addict that I am
today.  I was in sort of a musical funk at the time, and I walked into my
local Bionic and saw this cool boxed set by some band called "This Mortal
Coil".  The first thing I noticed about it was the cover art (little did I
know...).  The next day I was in a coffee shop playing chess with someone,
when this _gorgeous_ music came on.  "Who is this?" I asked.  "This Mortal
Coil," my chess partner replied.  So the next day I plunked down my money
for it and since have worn all four disks thin.  The end.

In any case, I've read all the discussion about which album is best.  Truth
be told, I don't know which one is best.  They all have different flavors to
them.  I normally don't even think of them in terms of songs, just because
they all flow together so well that even after owning them for 2 1/2 years I
still don't know all their names.  But, in semi-descending order, here are
my favorite songs:

1) It'll End In Tears ( one of the few songs that make me wanna cry no matter
        how many times I hear it)
2) Another Day
3) Thais I & II
4) Mr. Somewhere
5) Tears (one of those short in-between tracks)
6) The Jeweller
7) Not Me

Or somethin' like that.

Love & lemon oceans,
Jake