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Subject: Re: Review: QuickSpace Supersport
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 23:01:09 -0500
From: a Bear of Very Little Brain (farrago@BETA.DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Kooler V-J
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:00:46 CST
From: "(Ivan Hernandez)" (IHernandez@NABORS.COM)
Subject: This mortal coil
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 22:19:54 -0600
From: Michael C Lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: anuddah proposal/stereolab
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 21:31:01 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: ThisListy: Einexile
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:02:37 -0500
From: SortSol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: This mortal coil
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 23:33:26 -0500
From: Suey (chon@VIRTU.SAR.USF.EDU)
Subject: Sorry....
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:59:57 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: everyone is wrong about otherness
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 21:02:13 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: What the hell is this doing on the list?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 00:54:29 -0500
From: jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU
Subject: in a daze, i make this prediction...
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 22:35:37 -0800
From: snowangel k-j (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: whither 4ad list?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 21:05:46 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: kiss me kate - or anyone for that matter
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:03:26 -0500
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Kiss me Kate...or anyone for that matter
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 23:52:03 -0800
From: Angela Blakely (BLAKELYA@ULVACS.ULAVERNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mark K. / Caroline Records (Idaho) / Bettie Seveer
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:52:17 -0800
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: autechre in 4ad faq
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 01:26:10 -0600
From: "you'll poke your eye out" (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: whither 4ad list? (FAQ address)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 01:36:10 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kiss me Kate...or anyone for that matter
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:20:02 +0800
From: Lim May Lin Melissa (art50981@LEONIS.NUS.SG)
Subject: lyric madness
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 03:16:52 -0500
From: Suey (chon@VIRTU.SAR.USF.EDU)
Subject: Kissing to be clever
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 22:33:06 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: St Etienne, Bjork, Bark Psychosis, Flamebait.
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:04:36 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: 4-ad list / Mojave
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 01:10:42 -0800
From: ozymandias G desiderata (ogd@ORGANIC.COM)
Subject: Re: MSG
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:06:43 +0000
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: in defence of....einexile!
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 05:03:37 -0500
From: Hement Gopal (090GOPAL@UWCC.CC.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: clear of mind, *I* make THIS prediction!
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 02:23:48 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: RHP
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:09:35 -0800
From: Delphine Eunice Hwang (delfy@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Good Lisa Gerrard interview on the web
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 04:45:09 -0500
From: "Apinitis, John" (Apinij@LAWDEPT.DAYTONOH.ATTGIS.COM)
Subject: Re: suggestions?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:30:40 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: unpopular 4ad albums
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:59:34 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: the unbearable thislistiness of being
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:31:42 -0500
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Scorn review
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:35:10 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: The The
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 02:41:56 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: Review: QuickSpace Supersport
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:47:00 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Love Lies Crushing WAV's
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 23:36:20 +0930
From: William yonaire (kymtosh@STUDENT.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: kiss me kate - or anyone for that matter
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:13:35 +0100
From: Gerald Audenis (geralda@MECH.KTH.SE)
Subject: Dead Can Dance - bootlegs?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:38:08 -0600
From: Holly Emmer (hemmer@RRGROUP.COM)
Subject: Re: lyric madness
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:55:25 -0500
From: Naomi M Glina (SuprSwirly@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: please buy my cds and vinyl
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:43:10 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: MSG: *4ad-ISH*
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:13:01 -0500
From: Naomi M Glina (SuprSwirly@AOL.COM)
Subject: Minty 23 or the 1996(?) Calender
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:20:42 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Hector Zazou?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:17:10 -0500
From: Andrea Dawn Meth (ameth@EMORY.EDU)
Subject: Re: This Mortal Coil
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:53:14 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: kiss me kate - or anyone for that matter
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:33:50 -0500
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: in defence of....einexile!
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:02:27 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: kiss me kate - or anyone for that matter
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:24:58 -0500
From: Rodney Rodriguez (ItsonlyRod@AOL.COM)
Subject: Mojave 3 and TMC box set
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:51:29 EST
From: Charles Kim (ST201432@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance - bootlegs?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:41:38 CET
From: Adam Olszewski (ADAMRADV@PLEARN.BITNET)
Subject: Re: This mortal coil
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 20:24:03 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: This mortal coil
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:47:01 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: What the hell is this doing on the list?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:49:20 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: in defence of....einexile!
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:27:31 -0700
From: Sara Ann Meyer (sam6@DANA.UCC.NAU.EDU)
Subject: Re: This mortal coil and stereolab
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:06:54 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: lisa video...
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:53:36 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Bark Psychosis
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:23:58 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Review: QuickSpace Supersport
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:48:52 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: This mortal coil
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:45:54 +0000
From: Jon Kvebaek (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: in a daze, i make this prediction...
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:05:24 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: suggestions?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:37:54 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Bark Psychosis one more time...
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 15:42:46 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: This mortal coil
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:00:47 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: This Mortal Coil
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:12:39 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: RHP (100% 4AD)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:25:28 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: MSG: *4ad-ISH*
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:38:40 -0600
From: Naomi M Glina[SMTP:SuprSwirly@AOL.COM]
Subject: Re: lyric madness
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:44:06 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 and TMC box set
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:48:10 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Kool V-J (for Nina only)!; Sombient
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:29:42 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: 4AD catalogue
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:20:24 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: This mortal coil
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:57:44 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: MSG: *4ad-ISH*
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:54:25 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: clear of mind, *I* make THIS prediction!
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:30:38 -0600
From: Jon Corbett Wetzel (jcw0003@JOVE.ACS.UNT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Bark Psychosis
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:55:01 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: cocteau twins
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:29:00 PST
From: bahman (IZZYW5B@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: 1996 v23 Calendar
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 20:02:30 EST
From: Tom Homulka (Thomas_Homulka.WORLDGROUP@NOTES.COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance - bootlegs?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:53:50 -0600
From: Adam Olszewski[SMTP:ADAMRADV@PLEARN.BITNET]
Subject: Life cycle of a listserv list--humor (sort of)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 10:17:06 -0600
From: Jan Anderson (JANAND@CC.USU.EDU)
Subject: "Another Day"/Apartments
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 20:17:48 -0500
From: SortSol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Jake's 4AD catalogue
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 20:32:37 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: shiFt!
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:58:39 -0700
From: "M. Wade Chamberlainn" (chamberlainw@YVAX.BYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance - bootlegs?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 20:48:52 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 20:07:37 -0700
From: "M. Wade Chamberlainn" (chamberlainw@YVAX.BYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: shiFt!
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 22:37:49 -0500
From: a Bear of Very Little Brain (farrago@BETA.DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: "Another Day"/Apartments
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 22:25:27 -0500
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: "Another Day"/Apartments
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:28:02 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 23:01:09 -0500
From: a Bear of Very Little Brain (farrago@BETA.DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Review: QuickSpace Supersport


>  All in all, cool stuff! It's nice to see at least part of Th Faith
>Healers reappearing in a new guise (what's Roxanne up to?? Her singing is
>missed.) I hope they have a full album in the works, as listening to one
>song gets old after a while.

I was led to believe that Roxanne had gone back to school.  Alas th', poor,
sadly-missed Faith Healers.

Cheers,



hk
--

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:00:46 CST
From: "(Ivan Hernandez)" (IHernandez@NABORS.COM)
Subject: Re: Kooler V-J


On my part of the globe, I would say the coolest  V.J. would be Ruth from
MTV Latino.

She is into real cool stuff ! ! !

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 22:19:54 -0600
From: Michael C Lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: This mortal coil


To generate a little music discussion I'd like to pose an intresting
question. I got onto this list for the Pixies and other Kim Deal projects,
and I am forced to confess my ignorance on "classic" 4ad bands such as This
Mortal Coil, and others, However with any luck I may be able to scrape
together enough $ for a new CD, what TMC album should I buy?

mike

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 21:31:01 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: anuddah proposal/stereolab


>  seriously, let's talk music. real music. pick an album, or band..and
>  go on a writing spree about it/them.

ok, but you're all going to HATE me because it's not a 4ad band!

for me, the album would have to be The Boo Radley's "Giant Steps" (yes,
this shows my relative youth).

It was '93-'94, my senior year in high school, and i needed a change.  i
lived in la crosse, wi, so i had no choice but to listen to either classic
rock, top 40, or country.  needless to say, i was getting tired of my
classic rock mainstay.  then, i stumbled across giant steps in a used bin.
the band name was the greatest i'd ever heard, and the album was soon mine
because of it.

i took it home, listened to it, and discovered its brilliance.  who were
these strange men who fused noise and pop to please my ears so?  i had to
hear more, and meriel barham's voice on "rodney king" led me to buy the
pale saints' in ribbons, which slowly became my favorite cd (eventually
eclipsed by comforts of madness and mrs. dolphin).

a brother of a friend was minorly into dreampop, and got me turned on to
lush, which later brought me into the 4ad thing.  after discovering
eyesore, and subscribing to dewdrops, i joined this list (about april/may).
previous interest in a few other thislisty bands like spoonfed hybrid,
slowdive, stereolab, and the cocteaus made me a relatively frequent
contributor to the list.

since joining the list, i've been turned onto pram, fsa, fsol, and many more.
i doubt any of this would have happened had it not been for the brilliant
"giant steps." (wiped tear from his eye)

>stereolab are shit (or whatever)

them's fightin' words!

bye,

eric

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:02:37 -0500
From: SortSol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: ThisListy: Einexile


About Einexile...

>>He is
entertaining, a pleasure to read and knows what he's talking about.
He is just one of many assorted personalities on this list that I look
forward to hearing from.<<

I do agree. It's also a load of my mind!!! Now I don't have to continue
wondering about the size of his penis. Thanks e! Now we all know why your so
easily agitated!

Thanks,
SortSol (who has been on this list for a great while, ever heard of changing
your name?)

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 23:33:26 -0500
From: Suey (chon@VIRTU.SAR.USF.EDU)
Subject: Re: This mortal coil


On Mon, 13 Nov 1995, Michael C Lawyer wrote:

> To generate a little music discussion I'd like to pose an intresting
> question. I got onto this list for the Pixies and other Kim Deal projects,
> and I am forced to confess my ignorance on "classic" 4ad bands such as This
> Mortal Coil, and others, However with any luck I may be able to scrape
> together enough $ for a new CD, what TMC album should I buy?
>
> mike
>

blood the last album released is the most "popular" of the three, but
i've gone through the "this is my fave TMC cd" cycle so many times, all
of them are excellent (and different) in their own rite, please please
please do not stop at one album, get the box set, you won't regret it...

from an AVID "blood, no, it'll end in tears, no, filigree and shadow, no
wait..." fan,

su

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:59:57 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Sorry....


  ....I goofed!  Sorry about those sign-off messages.  I absentmindedly
sent them to the wrong place.  50 lashes of a wet noodle!  Please forgive me!

  ob4ad (has to be something there, right?) -- I looked for the body shop
cd here in Richmond, Va and all they had was the Domestic Violence thing
(almost got it, it's a good cause, even if the music is crap, does that
save me from being a mean and snotty flame-prone 4ad'er?).  The lady had
no idea what I was talking about, but was very willing to try and get it
in for me if I knew what it ws called.  Of course I blanked and sais,
"Well, my friends on the 8i'Net call it the body shop cd".  Good one,
eh?  I guess school has finally fried my brain.......

  And personally, I don't think 4ad has gone downhill -- I think the
entire music scene has gone downhill completely.  Now the only place you
can get good music is from word of mouth through small indie labels.
Seems to me like things were much better back in '90.  But then again, my
tastes were much more mainstream then, back before the raise of Toe Jam,
eh, Pearl Jam..........can anyone relate?  I think y'all do.  Just a few
years ago, hanging out with my friends from high school, I remember
discussing with them how cool it would be if "new wave" got to be
popular.  We could hear our fave tunes on the radio all the time.  Well,
new wave is now "alternative", and it's now mainstream, supposedly.  Just
goes to show  you should be careful what you wish for........


******************************************************************************
soon@unm.edu         * MBV, Medicine, Seefeel * A.I.D.S. -> We are all
Will Coucheron-Aamot *   lovesliescrushing    *    infected because we
Delta Lambda Phi     * FSA, shiFt, Slowdive   *    are all affected.
******************************************************************************

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 21:02:13 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: everyone is wrong about otherness


On Mon, 13 Nov 1995, einexile the meek wrote:

> Listening to this record, I can tell that he loves the Cocteaus, loves
> these songs, and with much care went about bringing out what struck him
> as particularly nice. And if I'm right, that's why this disc is more
> Cocteaux than it is Seefeel. [....] It's also a full blown
> and rather good Cocteau Twins ep in its own right.

first off....this kind of review is why although einexile can be a wanker
(in his own words, mind you. :) ) he is actually a very important member
of this li'l community of ours.  great job!

now...the real point.  i have to agree with e. to a certain extent.
listening to otherness tonight it really hit me how much  the cocteaux
are all over this ep.  listen to some of those guitar sounds!  wow!
altough i'm a huge seefeel fan i have to say that many of these sounds
would neverever show up on seefeel record.....they are quite
guthrie-esque (for lack of a better term)....very "bright&sparkly" while
seefeel has more of an engulfing mass of cold air sound (or something)
admittedly, some of the sounds are mark's:  the fuzz on FLF & quite a few of
the drum sounds for example.  compare "Seekers..." to "When Face Was Face".
yep, those are mark's drums.

this idea that mark loves the cocteaux and really threw himself into this
ep is a rather good one.  this kind of mutual respect in bands (artists)
garners a lot of respect from me.  i don't really want to start the
debate again, but i think it's safe to say that seefeel was probably
influenced by the cocteaux at one point.  this ep completes the circle
with the cocteaux drawing on seefeel (in a sense).

earlier tonight i was thinking of comparing otherness to the moon and the
melodies.  what?!  are you insane?!  well...look at it this way:  this is
the only other collaborative project the cocteaux have ever done
(excluding side-project work).  it could also be looked at this way:
otherness is as much a markclifford ep as TM&TM is a harold budd album.
yesyesyes i realize that the writing process is different, blah blah
blah, but i think the comparison can be made. maybe it should not have
the name cocteau twins on the sleeve, but instead:
Clifford | Fraser | Guthrie | Raymonde.  hee hee hee. (i'm just kidding
about that, okay?)

of course, now that i've read e.'s review i'm beginning to think this is
just a really damn cool cocteaux ep.

        .eyesmouthalways.....mark.

on whoever it was!


Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 00:54:29 -0500
From: jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU
Subject: What the hell is this doing on the list?


I was SHOCKED, nay OUTRAGED, to find this interesting and useful bit of
information on the 4AD list.

>Had quite an interesting weekend.  It seems that rockway records got a ton of
>used 7" singles recently & I just had to go through ALL of them!  I was quite
>surprised to find a new 4-ad sampler.  I had seen it once before, but I
>didn't know what it was.  It was at the Tarnation in-store at no life few
>months ago.  I saw a few people at the counter opening a box of 7" singles
>from across the room.  Well, being the chicken little that I am, I didn't
>investigate further and didn't think any more of it.  Oh well, I should have
>know.  Anyway, here's all the details on it:
>
>It's called "Yeah, but... : a selection of 4ad artists; fall 1995" catalog #
pro-s-7630
>

...etc. etc. etc.  Rodney, don't you know this kind of thing has no place
here?  Unless it's another flame or something else totally irrelevant to
4AD, we don't want to here about it!  Shame on you!

-- Jeff

Jeffrey T. Gayton
jtgayton@polisci.wisc.edu


Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 22:35:37 -0800
From: snowangel k-j (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: in a daze, i make this prediction...


  hnia will save 4ad in 1996.



  place your bets,
  k-j


  ...so, is it really lame to give a guy a rose?...

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 21:05:46 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: whither 4ad list?


On Mon, 13 Nov 1995 nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU wrote:

> Who am I, you might ask,
> to decide what guidelines are set? Just a concerned
> list member, nothing more.

How about you are a concerned listmember who is RIGHT?

> > We need more information/opinion/review content, something
> which seems to have gone by the wayside these days.

I have noticed that when people post reviews and musings, it actually
puts an end to flames, or at least the flames that don't belong here
(i.e. personal insults and goody two shoes netpolicing). This is one
reason having a 'thislisty' is good and one reason I post so much
irrelevant ambient crap here. :)

> am I alone in thinking that a lot of junk like this
> floating around degrades the integrity of the list and
> probably annoys newcomers?

Personally I can't stand a list where someone can get away with accusing
someone with whom they disagree of stupidity, drug addiction, whatever.
Whether these are serious accusations doesn't matter so much as that a
perfectly legit argument is being written off.

> Put some at least some
> fairly well-thought-out criticism in your messages,
> rather than just meaningless statements.

I don't think it's honorable or honest to slag an album or band without
going into detail. Personal taste is irrelevant if you're making a
*judgement* of a work. Let's talk about craft, about originality, about
artistic consistancy and integrity.

> > No auction bids or updates to the entire list.

But now people are scared to post any list at all, and frankly I find
writing someone personal mail to have them send you a list so you can see
if you are interested AT ALL is kind of a pain in the neck. Just for the
record, is there anyone on this list who objects to someone posting what
they have up for grabs ONCE?

I personally don't see any problems with small updates if they are tacked
onto a relevant post but I know most others don't agree with this.

> I hope some of this makes sense.

I'd like to add something. It's just not very nice or classy to yell at
people who are new, who make innocent mistakes, who do something dumb or
rude one time because they don't yet have their list legs. Send a polite
personal message; if it's really a generally accepted rule that's been
broken do we need to discuss it here?

Also, despite what I wrote last night, I do agree that accurate subject
headers are the way to go. Lord knows I have been harping on this
forever, which is why I balked at the 'lazy bastard' comment.

I think Autechre definitely belong in the FAQ, as well as the addresses
to some other mailing lists for thislisty artists--Cranes, Bel Canto,
&atT, etc. Some of these friendly little guidelines couldn't hurt matters
by being in there, either.

 e


Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:03:26 -0500
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: kiss me kate - or anyone for that matter

roup3>

"Feed Me With Your Kiss" by My Bloody Valentine
"Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me" by the Cure

also, isn't there a song called "Kissing To Be Clever"?
why did I think of that? who did dat?

 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 ''J''O''H''N'''''''R''I''C''K''M''A''N''''''''''''''''''''''''
                                       jknee@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 23:52:03 -0800
From: Angela Blakely (BLAKELYA@ULVACS.ULAVERNE.EDU)
Subject: Kiss me Kate...or anyone for that matter


kissing to be clever....Boy George, 1982.

also, Stephen TinTin Duffy-"Kiss me"


ms.kitty

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:52:17 -0800
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mark K. / Caroline Records (Idaho) / Bettie Seveer


>   No real news. This post was really just an excuse to mention Bark
> Psychosis again in the hopes that it might induce someone else to go buy
> something by them.

Here's another excuse to mention them.  Can you give me/us a quick
listing of what's out there by them?  I want to know what else
there is besides Independency and Hex because that's what I have.  Aww
heck, anyone can answer, doesn't have to be Jens

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 01:26:10 -0600
From: "you'll poke your eye out" (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: autechre in 4ad faq


...what is autechre?...
...
autechre is a crunchy and loveable techno group with three records and a
handful of eps out. you might as well go buy them now because you'll be
hearing *a lot* about them.

also see: fax, kranky, etc.
...

.j.
read most of my listmail since thursday. what, a flamewar on 4ad? however,
if you are getting tired of reading all this crap and are thinking about
unsubbing, you can still keep up with the major threads by reading the
tasty thread digest from the sick-n-tired list. (mail-order service +
esoteric indie music discussion + biweekly reviews (shows and lists) zine).
they also have just put out a print zine with tons of reviews, a free
single with lou barlow on it, a guide to the net and indie stuff, and
choice quotes from the litterbox (list synopses.) some 4ad gems may have
been included, but i don't know as i still haven't received my copy. i
write synopses of list traffic for this list, ambient, and dreampop. you
too may be made fun of! and boy is that dreampop synopsis a hard one to
write! :) email me for more info, web sites, last tasty thread, or sugar
kisses.

ain't it funny how in five minutes a five-line paragraph blooms into what
you see above.

---
joroses@mail.utexas.edu
andover '94
-
i shoulda had a v8.

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 01:36:10 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: whither 4ad list? (FAQ address)


>On Mon, 13 Nov 1995 nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU wrote:
>
>> Who am I, you might ask,
>> to decide what guidelines are set? Just a concerned
>> list member, nothing more.
>
>How about you are a concerned listmember who is RIGHT?

I'll second that! Those friendly guidlines seem like the most thoughtful
post to recently grace this list.  (but that's not the reason i wrote).

>I think Autechre definitely belong in the FAQ, as well as the addresses
>to some other mailing lists for thislisty artists--Cranes, Bel Canto,
>&atT, etc. Some of these friendly little guidelines couldn't hurt matters
>by being in there, either.

Agreed.  Though the Bel Canto list (Dewy Fields) address is given the Cranes
and &atT lists are not so you should provide Jens with the info.  There's a
web page listed for And Also the Trees though.

I'm not sure how many people actually read the FAQ but i hope any new person
on this list takes the oportunity to do that.  It's really got a lot of
useful information and it saves others from answering the same questions
over and over.

For all of you who don't have the FAQ webpage bookmarked, here's the address
for the FAQ's special limited edition version in *stereovision* (coming at
you soon, glasses not provided).


-cz


Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:20:02 +0800
From: Lim May Lin Melissa (art50981@LEONIS.NUS.SG)
Subject: Re: Kiss me Kate...or anyone for that matter


 "Popkiss" by Blueboy...

 "Last September's Farewell Kiss" by Northern Picture Library



 -mel-

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 03:16:52 -0500
From: Suey (chon@VIRTU.SAR.USF.EDU)
Subject: lyric madness


since i fared well with my last request for a TMC lyric, another request:

can anyone accurately fill in the blank to this song for me?

"another day" (the apartments, TMC)

i must take her and i must make her
while the dove domains
and feel the juice run as she flies
run my wings under her sides
as the flames of eternity rise
to __________ the first-born lash of dawn

thanks
su

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 22:33:06 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Kissing to be clever


>"Feed Me With Your Kiss" by My Bloody Valentine
>"Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me" by the Cure

>also, isn't there a song called "Kissing To Be Clever"?
>why did I think of that? who did dat?

Kissing to be clever was an album (Culture Club)
I only thought of this because you did.  I *promise*.

Kissing the Pink was a band (Watching their eyes 7" was brilliant) IMHO
Kiss off (Violent Femmes)
The perfect kiss (New Order) Dancing to suicidal lyrics....


That's enough methinks
Chris


Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:04:36 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: St Etienne, Bjork, Bark Psychosis, Flamebait.

              13, 95 01:51:55 pm

Jens Alfke  wrote:
>
> Here's the track listing for "Independency":
>
> I Know                 [???]
> Nothing Feels
> All Different Things
> By Blow

ADT/By-blow was one EP, NF/IK was the second one - I don't know why they
mucked about with the order.

St Etienne - "Too Young to Die", the singles collection, is out now.
Double CD pack in extremely flimsy cardboard wallet which is somehow
ideal - one CD is an hour long, all the 14 singles (including a couple
of double A sides), the limited bonus CD is a collection of nine
remixes, only one of which I hadn't got (and that was a remix of
"Speedwell", hardly their finest moment).  Despite which, I don't feel
ripped off.  There's a distinctly "farewell" atmosphere to the whole
thing - Julie Burchill's "you're gonna miss them" blurb on the back, the
"thank you" list in the back, etc.  I wonder if they really will all get
back together some day?

Bjork seems to have run out of songs again - "It's Oh So Quiet" comes in
two CDs with various remixes of "Hyperballad", "Sweet Intuition", and
one new song - "My Spine", a pretty groovy collaboration with Evelyn
Glennie the famous deaf percussionist.  "Sweet Intuition" is quite nice,
too - a live version with lots of real organ - and one of the Beaumont
Hannant "Hyperballad" remixes turns the kooky song into a brutal noise.
No Black Dog collaborations this time - there is, however, a compilation
of early Black Dog tracks called "Parallel" or something similar, on R&S
or one of those continental techno labels.

the only Cocteau Twins record with good production was "Peppermint
Pig", His Name Is Alive suck even worse than DCD (I haven't heard
anything by them, I just *know* they suck), and everyone in America is
stupid.  Don't bother responding to any of this, I just thought I'd
join in with the fun.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 14/11/95
On my walkman this morning : St Etienne - So Tough
And naked shingles of the world.

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 01:10:42 -0800
From: ozymandias G desiderata (ogd@ORGANIC.COM)
Subject: Re: 4-ad list / Mojave

              <951112180819_104656026@mail06.mail.aol.com>

  Quoth SortSol:
  SS> P.S. What does my not being on the list for very long have to do with
  SS> anything you fucking snobs!!!

  Because we're fucking _elitist_ snobs, kid, that's why. :) 4AD-L is a
  great karmic wheel, and the odds are very good that if you spend more than
  three months on the list you'll see the wheel do a complete revolution.
  The same personalities with the same obsessions making the same arguments
  about the same bands over and over again. Of course, the same could be
  said about just about any music discussion list or newsgroup on the
  internet (idm, anybody?), but that could be construed as a cynical
  overgeneralization (cynical, me?).

  It's reassuring to me, after dropping out of the list for at least two
  years (and after being subscribed to the list since 1990), to come back to
  _exactly_ the same people acting like complete idiots and to see other
  folks engaging in the same pointless discussions of 4AD's current
  suckitude vis a vis its glorious past. It makes me feel all fuzzy and
  nostalgic. Especially because I engage in exactly the same kind of
  defeatist bitching myself. I thought 4AD was on an express train to Hell
  until I got the Mojave CD and heard the Amps. For all that, though, you'd
  still have to start handing me crisp new $100 bills before you could
  persuade me to listen to Lisa Germano or Kendra Wilson.

  Ob4AD: What's with saying that Mojave are "country" and some sort of
  radical departure for Rachel & Neal? The progression from _Souvlaki_ to
  _Pygmalion_ to _3_ seems clear to me. They've been gradually weaning
  themselves from the effects pedals ever since the "Slowdive" EP. In fact,
  the first few times I listened to _Pygmalion_ and _3_ (I bought both
  albums on the same, deranged day that I spent $300 on a big pile of
  hardcore techno) I could have sworn that one of the songs on _3_ was a
  different version of one of the songs on _Pygmalion_. Does it mean
  something that I can't recall any of the songs after I listen to the CD (I
  hasten to add that I like both _3_ and _Pygmalion_ bunches, though)?

  onNow: Swans -- "Song for the Sun"

yrz,
ozy

PS -- Hello to everybody, if in fact anybody remembers me whence I used to
haunt this list back in the Good Old Days (tm). Anatolia, if you're still
around, drop me a line.

ozymandias G desiderata      ogd@organic.com       Ravers Suck Our Sound
(415)284-6888     http://www.organic.com/Staff/ogd/       ::AOAIOXXYSZ::

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:06:43 +0000
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: MSG


To the person who was looking for TMC type people who would be good
enough to go on a new album. I would suggest Miranda Sex Garden. Their
version of In Heaven (Lady in the radiator song) is excellent. Some of
their stuff fits into framework of 4AD quite nicely.

'H'y

'H' Cambridge

Stockholm Environment Institute at York
University of York, York, Uk.
Tel +44 1904 432992
Fax +44 1904 432898



Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 05:03:37 -0500
From: Hement Gopal (090GOPAL@UWCC.CC.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: in defence of....einexile!


yo

i was away for 8 days and when i returned my mail box was filled to
ver brim...most of the msgs re : einexile.

if the 4ad list can be likened to a compost heap (and i think it can)
then einexile is the biggest weed growing out of it ...so lets show
more appreciation for our garden varieties huh kids!!! I don't know
of anyone else who can kick ass (in the info providing dept) on a
list as diverse as IDM and still do the same on 4ad-l!!!! so a VIVA
to ein!!

in fact i suggest we start an Einexile Flame Defence
Fund....contributiions can be in the form of LUSH material which can
be burnt.

ermm...sorry!! *slaps his hand*...i get carried away sometimes...and
just before someone bitches about this mail having no 4ad content
here goes : LUSH DO REALLY SUCK!!!!

piss & vinegar dept
hems

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 02:23:48 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: clear of mind, *I* make THIS prediction!


>   hnia will save 4ad in 1996.

By getting themselves thrown off the label! hahahahahaha...

>   place your bets,

- The Real World V will be in Moscow.
- Mojave will go nowhere or have an identity crisis.
- HNIA won't get tossed, but will only save the label if left alone.
- Dead Can Dance will put out a full fledged GOOD ALBUM.
- We will see the fourth album from Ultra Vivid Scene.
- Rumors will fly of a reunited Bauhaus.
- Bill Clinton will win reelection.
- Expect to hear from Dean Garcia, Richard Ashcroft, and Guy Chadwick.
- Still no new Cure album.
- Current 93 will ROCK.
- *Paula* will save 4AD in 1996.

>   ...so, is it really lame to give a guy a rose?...

Not if the guy happens to be Douglas P.
Roses are for girls. Keep it. :)


autechre didn't come today,
the new black dog comp sux,
and i'm tired...


 e

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:09:35 -0800
From: Delphine Eunice Hwang (delfy@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP


On Sat, 11 Nov 1995, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:

> >>>I love reading stuff like this.  When a band that is the embodiment of
> >mediocre, Red House Painters, leaves the label, it is decried by some as one
> >of the worst things to EVER happen to 4AD... I'm just thinking, HELLO?? Can
> >Mark take a singing lesson or two?  PLEASE?<<
>
> Uhm, actually, which group on 4AD couldn't use a singing or 2? As far as
> RHP, they are one of my favorite groups and actually, I think that their
> decision to leave 4AD is probably going to be the best thing that ever
> happened to them!

>
> THANK YOU, 'nuf said (and yes, I realize that I just butchered the
> language. A little disclaimer for all you list members who have SO much
> time on your hands to write paragraphs about crap like that).
>
>
> Elvia
>
> (elvia@uclink3.berkeley.edu)
>
Right on, mah sistah!

eunice ;)

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 04:45:09 -0500
From: "Apinitis, John" (Apinij@LAWDEPT.DAYTONOH.ATTGIS.COM)
Subject: Re: Good Lisa Gerrard interview on the web


Delete 4AD-L
 ----------
>
>Michael Franz has interviewed Lisa Gerrard and you can read it here:
>
>        http://gaysource.com:80/gs/ht/nov95/gerrard.html
>
>There is also a review of The Mirror Pool here:
>
>        http://gaysource.com:80/gs/ht/oct95/mirrorpool.html
>
>
>Original URL: http://www.gaysource.com/ (aesthetica section)
>
>
>Here's a piece:
>
>     GS: The video was beautiful. How involved were you in the
>     selection of images used in the video?
>
>     LG: I wasn't very involved at all. I spoke to Nigel [Grierson] on
>     the phone and one thing that I really wanted to do with this
>     project, because of the work that I've done with Brendan over the
>     years where we've been so involved in everything and sometimes
>     I've thought, well that's OK but I wonder whether we've stopped
>     the true potential of this other person from coming into being. I
>     really wanted to just let Nigel be. When we talked about the piece
>     and he told me what it meant to him, I felt that this was the time
>     to respect the work of the other man. He's very, very competent,
>     and I was really happy with the result. It's wonderful.
>
>
>Has anyone seen this video? I hope I can see it sometime...
>
>
>
>     GS: I understand you and Brendan have began working on a new album?
>
>     LG: We've been working for about seven months on a sort of
>     transcendental...rhythm... It's absolutely a huge animal. I don't
>     think even we know what to do with it at this stage. It's a very
>     large work, very strong. There's also Brendan's solo project
>     that's coming out.
>
>     GS: Any idea when that's going to be out?
>
>     LG: He's doing a little work on it right now. He might finish it
>     before we get back together. It's practically finished. It's very,
>     very beautiful, very powerful.
>
>     GS: I read rumors in the French press that you two had almost
>     broken up?
>
>     LG: There's a sign on the wall in a shop where I live and it says,
>     " Nothing much happens around here but the rumors make up for it."
>
>     GS: So you generate the rumors to keep the intrigue going, right?
>
>     LG: Maybe.
>
>(Copyright 1995 GaySource, Inc.)
>
>
>And there's a lot more to read. Good interview btw.
>
>
>
>
>
>-
>   Emiel Efdee
>-
>   efdee@luna.nl (the netherlands)
>-
>   http://www.luna.nl/~efdee
>-
>

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:30:40 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: suggestions?


Well, the major thing you omitted is the Lilys' "In the Presence Of
Nothing", which is a really, really nice take on the whole MBV "Loveless"
sound. It was released on Slumberland in '92. The Lilys have two later
albums which are not of the same sound; I haven't heard them but they get
mixed reviews.

You have of course heard Sonic Youth's early stuff, right? I can't
recommend "Bad Moon Rising" ('85) and "EVOL" ('86) too highly if you're
looking for spacey guitar noise, and "Confusion Is Sex" ('83) is good too
although _very_ raw.

In a more ambient vein, look for the Virgin "Isolationism" compilation.
Lots of great scary noisy yet quiet music...

>I just got MBV's YMMR, and it's pretty good too, although I think
>it's a little derivative from Isn't Anything.

Actually this came out before "Isn't Anything", but they were both in the
same year so they are definitely very similar.


____________
Jens Alfke |__________________      He was once a little round ball of cells
            jens@mooseyard.com   Now he makes loud noises & sometimes smells


Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:59:34 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: unpopular 4ad albums


        Well, my favorite Pixies album is "Trompe Le Monde". Really, it
is. Is there a single person here who shares that view? I noticed it was
the only Pixies album not included in someone's "best of each year" list.

________________________________________________________________________
= "The kids of today should defend ) "So we're complicated, so what?"  =
= themselves against the 70's!"    (  - His Name Is Alive, "Why People =
=  - Mike Watt                     )    Disappear"                     =
========================================================================
= "If life is a performance, and I am not an actor, am I supposed to   =
= lay down and die?" - Juliana Hatfield                                =
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:31:42 -0500
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: the unbearable thislistiness of being


Andie wrote:
>I suggest, being the sensible person I am, that everyone puts at the front
>of their subject either < 4AD - Re. blah blah blah > or < Thislisty - Re.
>blah blah blah > and just keep to those two (and no more) starting points.

Wouldn't it be easier just to mention the name of the band or the title of
the record your post is about - it would make the '4ad' or 'thislisty'
headings irrelevant. Moreover, I'd say the majority of people on this list
*are* interested in stuff other than just 4ad releases and this seems like
the place to discuss them, for better or for worse. 4ad stuff is really a
subset of the whole thislisty genre - it's just unfortunate that this list
had to start as one devoted to a single label. Look at some lists devoted to
one band - they don't often stay on topic either.


>Ah, some smart alec says, what about if I want to talk about something in
>both topics? <=oI Why don't you make two postings? Clever or what?

Posting separately for every single topic just clutters up the list. If
there's something in a post that interests you and something that doesn't,
how long does it take to realise that part of it isn't your cup of lapsang
and just ignore that paragraph? As long as everyone writes message headings
that describe the content of the post, there should be no problem.

Jared wrote:
>you should also check out
>"u-ziq"  he remixed an auteus album and i was really good
                                         ^
You were involved with that? What part did you do?      ;)

k-j observed:
>...billy corgan kinda looks like the original Nosferatu now...or Powder...

He's always acted like a prick, and now he looks like one too. Literally.

Larry

"Don't like it? Move to Russia."
-HJS

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:35:10 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Scorn review


I'm not sure where this was posted originally; it was forwarded to me.
Non-4AD of course, and I think Scorn are teetering on the edge of
thislistiness, but I know a number of people here like them. There's
certainly not a big step from Seefeel to Scorn these days...

>Cat No: SCORN CD2
>
>Scorn have performed a rather comprehensive change of direction from
>their first two releases.  Starting out as a hybrid of industrial,
>ambient and, in places, metal influences, they have, since the release
>of _Evanescence_, mutated into a superb ambient dub project. After the
>release of the remix album _Ellipsis_ this year, one hardly expected
>anything too different from _Evanescence_ and this turns out to be a
>justified expectation. Very plain packaging as far as information goes,
>something I thoroughly approve of, the cover is quite similar to both
>_Evanescence_ and _Ellipsis_. The disc as before, is totally
>black. Nicholas Bullen has left, leaving Mick Harris as the sole Scorn
>member. It was rumoured that Laswell and friends were to play on this
>but there are no notes to verify this on the disc. Overall, I would say
>that _Gyral_ is superior to _Evanescence_ in many respects. There are no
>vocals which were rather a weak spot when they appeared previously and
>the slightly plain plodding beats that occured on _Evanescence_
>ocassionally (but rarely, granted) are absent. "Far in Out" has a
>wonderful assymetric beat, for example. As usual, there is
>much attention to the individual sounds, particularly of the percussion
>tracks. Some nice timbres there. The bass is mostly sub-audible. I
>would exepct this to be floor-shaking on a large sound system. Scorn
>often manage to generate marvellous soundscapes arranged around such
>infectious and hypnotic beats and here, they excel. _Gyral_ is a truly
>superb album of trance-like rhythms and textural sonority. It has a much
>more consistent feel than _Evanescence_ whilst leaving room for more
>innovative material like the beautiful "Stairway". This has a
>looped eerie piano line that a friend remarked reminded him of Steve
>Reich. Looped backwards whistling sounds underwritten by a strong bass
>and percussion convey the title imagery nicely. Those who enjoyed
>_Evanescence_ should certainly enjoy this. It is a pinnacle of
>ambient/industrial music.
>--
>=                    Phil Kime (Phil.Kime@ed.ac.uk)                   =
>=             Centre for Cognitive Science/Dept of Philosophy         =
>=                         Edinburgh University                        =


____________
Jens Alfke |__________________      He was once a little round ball of cells
            jens@mooseyard.com   Now he makes loud noises & sometimes smells


Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 02:41:56 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: The The


I just saw the "Unpopular 4AD albums" message and thought about my
recent visit to my local 2 hand shop. After listening to Frank Black's
Teenager of the year LP I decided it wasn't for me. Then I found The The's
Blue Soul Mining(?) on CD and gave it a listen. I couldn't quite get into it. I 
ave Infected
as well as some 12" which I really enjoy. Maybe it's coz they are mixed by
J G Thurlwell. I don't know.....

Chris

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:47:00 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Review: QuickSpace Supersport

              Little Brain" at Nov 13, 95 11:01:09 pm

a Bear of Very Little Brain  wrote:
>
> >  All in all, cool stuff! It's nice to see at least part of Th Faith
> >Healers reappearing in a new guise (what's Roxanne up to?? Her singing is
> >missed.) I hope they have a full album in the works, as listening to one
> >song gets old after a while.
>
> I was led to believe that Roxanne had gone back to school.  Alas th', poor,
> sadly-missed Faith Healers.

"Gone back to school" sounds very funny in a UK context - as if she's
learning to read and write, or something.  I can heartily agree with
Jens's approval of Quickspace Supersport - there were a couple of
previous 7" singles, but I have never been able to find them.  Th'Faith
Healers were a band I always thought were OK but nothing special, till I
made a compilation tape and played it at full volume on my weekly walk
to the supermarket - does anyone know what the rhythm section are doing
now?  Dilworth has drummed for Stereolab and one of the songs on
PJHarvey's last album, but I haven't heard anything about his getting a
permanent job.


--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 14/11/95
On my walkman this morning : St Etienne - So Tough
And naked shingles of the world.


Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 23:36:20 +0930
From: William yonaire (kymtosh@STUDENT.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU)
Subject: Love Lies Crushing WAV's

              14, 95 09:04:36 am

 Is it just me , or are the wav's from the the LLC interview thingy
 (that was mentioned here not long ago) screwed ??
--

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:13:35 +0100
From: Gerald Audenis (geralda@MECH.KTH.SE)
Subject: Re: kiss me kate - or anyone for that matter


>   Can you think of any song
> > that clearly has "kiss" in the lyric?  As much information as possible
> > please.


>
> "kiss him on the cheek and tell him where to go"
>                         Heavenly "C is the Heavenly Option"
>                         off "Le Heavenly De Jardin"
                           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                               LE JARDIN DE HEAVENLY
                               ---------------------

"kiss me goodbye"
                Cure "The same deep water as you"
                off "disintegration"

"I miss the kiss of treachery"
                Cure "disintegration"
                off "disintegration"

"And then he kissed me"
                The Crystals "And then he kissed me"
                Dominique A made a great cover of it...


Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:38:08 -0600
From: Holly Emmer (hemmer@RRGROUP.COM)
Subject: Dead Can Dance - bootlegs?


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Hi. I have two CDs of DCD not on 4AD.  I think they are bootlegs.  Anyone=
 have these?  Are there others like the ones I have?  Anyone want more in=
formation on these?

Name of the CDs are:

Dark Christ-Mas  - recorded in Belgium 1993
Meditabor - recorded in Detroit - 1994
        has previously unreleased songs of:
        Flowers of the Sea Circum
        Eden
        Garden of Refuge
        Convict of Sin
        Musica Eternal, Carnival of Light, Adnajc
        Noctambulist
        Sea of Tears

Any info is appreciated.
Holly

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:55:25 -0500
From: Naomi M Glina (SuprSwirly@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: lyric madness


to- lick us with -the first........


Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:43:10 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: please buy my cds and vinyl


<<<<

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:13:01 -0500
From: Naomi M Glina (SuprSwirly@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: MSG: *4ad-ISH*


>enough to go on a new album. I would suggest Miranda Sex >Garden. Their
>version of In Heaven (Lady in the radiator song) is excellent. >Some of
>their stuff fits into framework of 4AD quite nicely.

I have iris, and though i had to listen to it a couple of times to get into
that sparse, eerie feeling, and tense vocal harmonies, i like it now.  How
does their newer stuff compare to this album?  Anyone?

nomi

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:20:42 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Minty 23 or the 1996(?) Calender


I just got the v23 'Modern Calender' in the mail (there's no sign that it is
a calender for 1996!). All I can say is that I'm.... slightly disappointed.
Just 13 (14) nice pictures. I think the 1993 calender was far better and
maybe the 1990 was better too.
And no decorated cardboard box, just the calender. The calender is also not
part of the 4AD catalogue (the cat.# is MINTY 23), so officially it doesn't
count as another nail in 4AD's coffin :) :)

Frank


++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:17:10 -0500
From: Andrea Dawn Meth (ameth@EMORY.EDU)
Subject: Hector Zazou?


Could someone please tell me more about Hector Zazou? I know he'w worked
w/Siouxsie & Dead Can Dance (not bad I know!)

Also, does anyone have a copy of the "Moonchild" soundtrack performed by
Dead Can Dance?

Thanks,
Andrea
ameth@emory.edu

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:53:14 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: This Mortal Coil


<<<<

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:33:50 -0500
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: kiss me kate - or anyone for that matter

              

could i have the kissing girls address, i lost it...

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:02:27 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: in defence of....einexile!


On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Hement Gopal wrote:

>
> ermm...sorry!! *slaps his hand*...i get carried away sometimes...and
> just before someone bitches about this mail having no 4ad content
> here goes : LUSH DO REALLY SUCK!!!!

I have a better idea. Why don't we start a newsgroup called
alt.4ad.dipshits-with-tiny-dicks that guys like you can post to?

Martin


Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:24:58 -0500
From: Rodney Rodriguez (ItsonlyRod@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: kiss me kate - or anyone for that matter


I think the opening of either Kiss Alive I or II starts out with something to
the effect of "you wanted the best, you got the best. ladies & gentlemen, the
greatest band in the world K I I I I S S S S S S S !!"   I might be wrong, I
was only 12 you know.........but you asked :)

later
rod

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:51:29 EST
From: Charles Kim (ST201432@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU)
Subject: Mojave 3 and TMC box set


There is a TMC box set sitting in a local record store for $45.  The shrink
wrap is torn off but for 4 discs costing the usual $50 to $70 this is a good
price.  I think that the TMC box set is discontinued.  E-mail me privately if
you wish to buy this excellent box set.

I was wondering if anyone has access to the new Mojave 3 cd on import.  I've
been combing all of the record stores in the PRovidence and Boston area and
have been coming up empty.  If anyone has access to one I will pay all
shipping and handling and cost of the record and have my heartfelt gratitude.
Thanks.



Charle_Kim@brown.edu

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:41:38 CET
From: Adam Olszewski (ADAMRADV@PLEARN.BITNET)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance - bootlegs?

              


/Hi. I have two CDs of DCD not on 4AD.  I think they are bootlegs.  Anyone=
/ have these?  Are there others like the ones I have?  Anyone want more in=
/formation on these?

dele of the CDs are:
 how on earth have you come into this possession?
(otherwise put: how could I?)
orded in Detroit - 1994
Adam Olszewski
adamradv@plearn.edu.pl
        Eden

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 20:24:03 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: This mortal coil


...BTW - was the box a Limited Edition?

There were 'only' 2000 boxes released.

That's about 8000 cd's

I've got one, my sister owns a copy so there must be 1998 elsewhere...


Emiel

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:47:01 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: This mortal coil


> together enough $ for a new CD, what TMC album should I buy?
>


Well, if you like Kim Deal, buy Blood.  It has her and Tanya Donnelly
singing 'You and Your Sister'.  If you want the more, how did you put it,
'classic 4AD' sound, It'll End in Tears is great with lots from members
of Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance and Colourbox, but Filigree and Shadow
is also pretty spectacular too, if you want the 75 or so minute epic type
of recording.

Hell, save up money and buy all three. :)

Strick9

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:49:20 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: What the hell is this doing on the list?


>
> ...etc. etc. etc.  Rodney, don't you know this kind of thing has no place
> here?  Unless it's another flame or something else totally irrelevant to
> 4AD, we don't want to here about it!  Shame on you!
>

Ha ha ha... I think we've all made our point.  Can we just move on
please?  If you're not happy with the list, the FAQ tells you how to
unsubscribe.  It's stupid namecalling and immaturity like this that made
me quit another list, I really don't want to be forced into leaving this
one too.


Strick9

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:27:31 -0700
From: Sara Ann Meyer (sam6@DANA.UCC.NAU.EDU)
Subject: Re: in defence of....einexile!


On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Martin Wagner wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Hement Gopal wrote:
>
> >
> > ermm...sorry!! *slaps his hand*...i get carried away sometimes...and
> > just before someone bitches about this mail having no 4ad content
> > here goes : LUSH DO REALLY SUCK!!!!
>
> I have a better idea. Why don't we start a newsgroup called
> alt.4ad.dipshits-with-tiny-dicks that guys like you can post to?
>
> Martin
>
I totally agree;  you pass judgement quite harshly--and NO, LUSH DOES NOT
SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                Sincerely

                                    Disgruntled....


Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:06:54 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: This mortal coil and stereolab


 However with any luck I may be able to scrape
>together enough $ for a new CD, what TMC album should I buy?

hmmm. . .don't own any of them, but i've heard two.  out of the two i've
heard, i'd have to suggest filligree and shadow.  i don't remember much
about the cd, other than "the jeweler" is a wonderful song.  the other
album i've heard is "blood," and i thought it was terrible.  sorry.  not
much help.

last night i had this really weird dream.  i can't remember anything about
it, but it had "pack yr romantic mind" playing over and over throughout the
dream (which lasted about an hour).  i woke up this morning and listened to
the song five times in a row.  wow!

eric

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:53:36 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: lisa video...


> >     GS: The video was beautiful. How involved were you in the
> >     selection of images used in the video?
> >
> >     LG: I wasn't very involved at all. I spoke to Nigel [Grierson] on
> >     the phone and one thing that I really wanted to do with this
> >Has anyone seen this video? I hope I can see it sometime...

i'm assuming she's talking about the sanvean video.  if anyone at all
remembers when i mentioned it you will also remember that i said that it
made me miss nigel's work.  whoo hoo!  chock a point up for me! i knew it
was nigel....:) :)  sorry, it's not often that i'm right.

anyway, the video is a rich black&white affair slightly reminiscent of a
moving TMC cover.  images of a bride, a baby, lisa looking creepy behind
a watery haze.  gorgeous.

where is nigel anyway?

        .mark....back on the caffeinetrain.

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:23:58 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Bark Psychosis

              12, 95 07:06:09 pm

Look, I changed the subject line!

Jens Alfke  wrote:
>
> To bicker mildly, Bark Psychosis are on 3rd Stone, a small British indie
> label. Their album "Hex" was released on Caroline in the US. (I think
> it's been pointed out already that Virgin distributes Caroline, although
> I don't think they own them.)

To join in the general bickerfest, "Hex" and the "A Street Scene" and
"Blue" EPs which preceded and followed it were on Circa, which I think
is part of whichever global capitalist conspiracy Virgin is a subsidiary
of.  Circa generally deals in mainstream dance acts, I can't think how Bark
Psychosis ever ended up there.

>   No real news. This post was really just an excuse to mention Bark
> Psychosis again in the hopes that it might induce someone else to go buy
> something by them.

And this was another excuse to mention them yet again.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 14/11/95
On my walkman this morning : St Etienne - So Tough
And naked shingles of the world.

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:48:52 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Review: QuickSpace Supersport


Andrew Norman wrote:
>does anyone know what the rhythm section are doing
>now?  Dilworth has drummed for Stereolab

When I saw Th Faith Healers play in San Francisco, during a quiet bit
between songs where people were yelling out requests, someone yelled
"Super-Electric!" and Joe grinned and started to play the drum part.
(Unfortunately the rest of the band didn't join in.) This was the same
show where I yelled out "Mother Sky!" as loud as I could and they
actually played it, the first time I've ever had that work (or maybe it
was just next on the set list anyway.)

And hey! Whatever happened to the impending re-release of "L'" on
American Records? I never saw it show up.

Time to listen to "Lido" again,

____________
Jens Alfke |__________________      He was once a little round ball of
cells
            jens@mooseyard.com   Now he makes loud noises & sometimes
smells

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:45:54 +0000
From: Jon Kvebaek (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: This mortal coil

              11:33pm)

On Nov 13, 11:33pm, Suey wrote:

> Subject: Re: This mortal coil
> On Mon, 13 Nov 1995, Michael C Lawyer wrote:
> please do not stop at one album, get the box set, you won't regret it...
>
> su
>-- End of excerpt from Suey

By all means. Get the box set. Hell, the original versions that comes with it
is almost worth the price alone. Speaking of which...has anyone got any info on
The Apartments?
And I must add that the photographs in the book that comes with the box must be
some of the finest to emerge from v23. Right up there with the snaps from
Doolittle.

BTW - was the box a Limited Edition?

Cheers,

--
Jon Kvebaek 

- Roy, I'm shining this torch into your eyes. Pupil dilation seems more
   evident. Good. Good.
                                    -Irvine Welsh, "Marabou Stork Nightmares"

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:05:24 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: in a daze, i make this prediction...


You wrote:
>
>  hnia will save 4ad in 1996.
>
>
>
>  place your bets,
>  k-j
>
>
>  ...so, is it really lame to give a guy a rose?...
>
never ever underestimate the power of a flower with throns on it :)
euthelene

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:37:54 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: suggestions?

              13, 95 01:30:40 pm

I've got to add my $0.02 here...the Lilys 2nd proper album (Eccsame the
Photon Band) is either just in the top 5 on '94/'95 (came out the end of
'94) or it might be the single best album.  (The single best new band
honor would have to go to The For Carnation)  This album takes a bit of
MBV, a lot of Sgt. Pepper (in a good way - not the hokey crap most bands
do) and a lot of drugs and make the fantastic, psychedelic, slowcore
album of the past few years.  Its hard to compare against others as its
somewhat of an enigma...but listen for yourself.  Has anyone here??


>
> Well, the major thing you omitted is the Lilys' "In the Presence Of
> Nothing", which is a really, really nice take on the whole MBV "Loveless"
> sound. It was released on Slumberland in '92. The Lilys have two later
> albums which are not of the same sound; I haven't heard them but they get
> mixed reviews.
>
> You have of course heard Sonic Youth's early stuff, right? I can't
> recommend "Bad Moon Rising" ('85) and "EVOL" ('86) too highly if you're
> looking for spacey guitar noise, and "Confusion Is Sex" ('83) is good too
> although _very_ raw.
>
> In a more ambient vein, look for the Virgin "Isolationism" compilation.
> Lots of great scary noisy yet quiet music...
>
> >I just got MBV's YMMR, and it's pretty good too, although I think
> >it's a little derivative from Isn't Anything.
>
> Actually this came out before "Isn't Anything", but they were both in the
> same year so they are definitely very similar.
>
>
> ____________
> Jens Alfke |__________________      He was once a little round ball of cells
>             jens@mooseyard.com   Now he makes loud noises & sometimes smells
>

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 15:42:46 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Bark Psychosis one more time...

> from "Aaron Thorne" at Nov 13,
              95 09:52:17 am

Aaron Thorne  wrote:
>
> Here's another excuse to mention them.  Can you give me/us a quick
> listing of what's out there by them?  I want to know what else
> there is besides Independency and Hex because that's what I have.  Aww
> heck, anyone can answer, doesn't have to be Jens
>

A Street Scene - single, B-side "Reserve Shot Gunman" is the harder side
of BP which didn't really feature on "Hex".

Blue - EP with one new song, a very strange instrumental (a few minutes
of insanely fast and noisy rhythm followed by a few minutes of floating
ambience), and a remix of one of the tracks from "Hex" by ARKane's Rudi.

And that's it - offshoot Boymerang have put out at least one EP on Leaf
records, basically jungle with a BP twist, and remixed a Wagon Christ
track on a recent EP.

Speaking of ARKane, Rudi's ambient soul album ("Life's Rising" by Sufi)
is not really worth getting (rather like the last ARKane album,
unfortunately).  There's a thin line between ambience and somnambulence,
and Rudi is on the wrong side of it most of the time, alas.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 14/11/95
On my walkman this morning : St Etienne - So Tough
And naked shingles of the world.

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:00:47 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: This mortal coil


You wrote:
>
>To generate a little music discussion I'd like to pose an intresting
>question. I got onto this list for the Pixies and other Kim Deal
projects,
>and I am forced to confess my ignorance on "classic" 4ad bands such as
This
>Mortal Coil, and others, However with any luck I may be able to scrape
>together enough $ for a new CD, what TMC album should I buy?
>
>mike
>

filagree and shadow.  TMC is really more of a collaboration that
evolves its participant list like the golden palominos--some of the
same people but lots of fringees.  love there covers, especially
holocost by alex chilton,  chills on the spine.


Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:12:39 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: This Mortal Coil


and marvyn's copy makes 1997 left...

Hey, we gonna do that HNIA *KOS* thing again with the TMC box set?  This time
without numbers to differentiate which one we have?  :)


marvynHortman                 ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:25:28 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: RHP (100% 4AD)


...Interview with Mark K....looking good!
...
.._Painters
...
...Elvia
...
...(elvia@uclink3.berkeley.edu)


And here it is:



Mark Kozelek Solo Album Causes Red House Painters To Leave 4AD

Photo by Jay Blakesberg (go to the web-page to view this one)



Addicted To Noise editor Michael Goldberg reports: The Red House Painters,
led by singer/songwriter/guitarist Mark Kozelek, have, parted ways with 4AD
Records. The group recorded four albums and one EP for the label. Their
most recent album was the gorgeous Ocean Beach, released earlier this year.
According to Kozelek, who I spoke with recently, the parting came after he
delivered a solo album to 4AD that he recorded with musicians other than
the members of Red House Painters. "I found a few musicians, liked way they
played, and said, 'Let's go up to a studio and make a record,' " said
Kozelek. "We went up to Mendocino, middle of the fucking woods. There was
no planning. I showed them songs, and we started recording them. We kept
the 2nd take. Sometimes the 1st take." He described the album, which I
haven't yet heard, as "a loose, lively sounding record. I play all the
guitars. That's a first for me." Kozelek said there were "rock songs" on
the album. "Distorted guitars, sort of a rock feeling. Like '70s Neil
Young/ Crazy Horse feeling on the record." 4AD owner Ivo didn't care for
five or six songs, and, according to Kozelek, found the guitar solos
"irritating." Faced with the option of reworking the material, or leaving
the label, Kozelek chose to take a hike. "We don't want to keep putting out
the same record over and over," said Kozelek of the Red House Painters, who
are continuing as a group and will perform the material on the album once
it's released on another label (several companies have made offers). "The
feeling we were getting from 4AD was that we couldn't go in a studio and
have fun any more," said Kozelek. "We couldn't make the record we wanted to
make."


Er... so this in fact 0% 4AD...


Thanks for the link Elvia





   Emiel Efdee

-
   efdee@luna.nl (the netherlands)
-
   http://www.luna.nl/~efdee
-


Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:38:40 -0600
From: Holly Emmer (hemmer@RRGROUP.COM)
Subject: Re: MSG: *4ad-ISH*


------ =_NextPart_000_01BAB27D.650E92E0

I have Susprina, Iris and the first (name escapes me now).  Susprina is w=
aaay more guitar driven and generally instrument driven.  Some of it is H=
NIAish and even heavier, always with the strange soprano voices above.

I haven't listened to it in a while, but I would do a full review if anyo=
ne is interested.
Holly

----------
From: Naomi M Glina[SMTP:SuprSwirly@AOL.COM]
Subject: Re: MSG: *4ad-ISH*


>enough to go on a new album. I would suggest Miranda Sex >Garden. Their
>version of In Heaven (Lady in the radiator song) is excellent. >Some of
>their stuff fits into framework of 4AD quite nicely.

I have iris, and though i had to listen to it a couple of times to get in=
to
that sparse, eerie feeling, and tense vocal harmonies, i like it now.  Ho=
w
does their newer stuff compare to this album?  Anyone?

nomi


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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:44:06 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: lyric madness


>since i fared well with my last request for a TMC lyric, another request:
>
>can anyone accurately fill in the blank to this song for me?
>
>"another day" (the apartments, TMC)

not to be nitpicky (i.e. you probably already know this but just in case...)
"another day" was originally Tim Buckley.  "Mr. Somewhere" was the Apartments.

Speaking of which, has anyone ever found the album of the original song?  I
think it's _fucking brilliant_, even better than the minor deity Ms.
Crawley's treatment of it, and I've never seen it anywhere.  Any idea of
it's availability or if the rest of it is any good?

Thanks,
Jake

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:48:10 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 and TMC box set


On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Charles Kim wrote:

> There is a TMC box set sitting in a local record store for $45.  The shrink
> wrap is torn off but for 4 discs costing the usual $50 to $70 this is a good
> price.  I think that the TMC box set is discontinued.  E-mail me privately if
> you wish to buy this excellent box set.

Hmm, I don't know. I think I only paid about $47.99 for the thing sealed.
If the box and booklet are in fairly decent condition and not too
shelfworn, I'd say buy it, but not otherwise. There are a couple of shops
here in Austin that still have sealed copies, so the set is not really
rare yet.

Martin

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:29:42 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Kool V-J (for Nina only)!; Sombient


If Nina Blackwood is on the list, would you e-mail me privately *prrettie*
please.

_____________________

I recently purchased a comp. tape put out by the Sombient label entitled
_Throne of Drones_.  The title is very indicative of the pieces themselves,
in that they are, for lack of a *better* description, 'drone-y'.
I only recall a few of  the names that were included on this (Iso-ambient
orchestra & Steve Roach) as even after a few listens the whole thing could be
mistook as one artist.
My q.
Does someone have an address for Sombient (as I would like to give this a
listen on cd) or if anyone has heard this comp., any comparable
recommendations?

Thanks,

Jason

srilank@aol.com


Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:20:24 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: 4AD catalogue


I finally got my 4AD catalogue in the mail, but I've still got a few
questions.  First, does this automatically put me on the mailing list for
all those things like free 7"'s and Christmas cards?  Second, I got mine
from 4AD UK.  If I were to get it from 4AD US would I be able to order
things through the US office or would it still go through the UK?
Basically, I just want to know if it would be less costly and more expedient
to get a new catalogue from the US office.

Thanks,
Jake

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:57:44 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: This mortal coil


>...BTW - was the box a Limited Edition?
>
>There were 'only' 2000 boxes released.
>
>That's about 8000 cd's
>
>I've got one, my sister owns a copy so there must be 1998 elsewhere...

I've got one, and I've seen at least three others in stores.  That's 1994.
Anyone else?

Jake,
hoping that 4AD-L has cornered the market on TMC boxed sets...

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:54:25 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: MSG: *4ad-ISH*


>>enough to go on a new album. I would suggest Miranda Sex >Garden. Their
>>version of In Heaven (Lady in the radiator song) is excellent. >Some of
>>their stuff fits into framework of 4AD quite nicely.
>
>I have iris, and though i had to listen to it a couple of times to get into
>that sparse, eerie feeling, and tense vocal harmonies, i like it now.  How
>does their newer stuff compare to this album?  Anyone?

I haven't heard any of their newer material, but I absolutely love Madra.  I
still need to go out and get a copy.  I've heard that their newer music has
a lot more of an ambient feel to it (for those who haven't heard it, Madra
is basically their rendition of medieval madrigals).  Is this true?

Jake
Jake Reichert                   |  I used to be indecisive/
reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu      |  But now I'm not so sure...
                                |                    -The The
--------------------------------------------------------------------
                     "LONELY IS AS LONELY DOES"
B.C. Gilbert/G. Lewis ------------------------    The Happy Family
A=====================================V  Bulgarian Voices | Pixies
|          |              |   ____    |  Bauhaus |  Frazier Chorus
|     /|   |      /\      |  |    \   |  Michael Brook |  Spirea X
|    / |   |     /  \     |  |     \  |  The Breeders |  Colourbox
|   /  |   |    /    \    |  |      | |  Dead Can Dance |  Dif Juz
|  /___|   |   /______\   |  |      | |  Throwing Muses |  The The
|      |   |  /        \  |  |     /  |  Clan of Xymox | Rema-Rema
|      |   | /          \ |  |___ /   |  Cocteau Twins | Liquorice
A=====================================M  Lisa Germano  | M|A|R|R|S
X Mal Deutschland | Dance Chapter | Insides |   The Birthday Party
A.R. Kane | Rowland S. Howard & Lydia Lunch  | C.V.O  |  Air Miami
Ultra Vivid Scene | Unrest | Pieter Nooten/Michael Brook | Swallow
That Dog. | Psychotic Tanks  |  Lisa Gerrard  | Last Dance |  Lush
Modern English |  Budd/Fraser/Guthrie/Raymonde |  This Mortal Coil
The Wolfgang Press |  Richenel |  His Name Is Alive  | Pale Saints
The Glee Club    ---------------------------------    Colin Newman
                       "LONELY IS AN EYESORE"

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:30:38 -0600
From: Jon Corbett Wetzel (jcw0003@JOVE.ACS.UNT.EDU)
Subject: Re: clear of mind, *I* make THIS prediction!


On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, einexile the meek wrote:

> >   place your bets,
>
> - Expect to hear from Dean Garcia, Richard Ashcroft, and Guy Chadwick.
>
I recently heard that Richard Ashcroft is getting back with the other
members of Verve, except Nick McGabe.  There will also be 3 new people
and they are *supposed* to have a single out in early 96...Does anyone
know if there is any truth to this rumor?


Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:55:01 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Bark Psychosis


>Here's another excuse to mention them.  Can you give me/us a quick
>listing of what's out there by them?  I want to know what else
>there is besides Independency and Hex because that's what I have.

The only other things I know of are:

Big Shot / Reserve Shot Gunman
  A-side is the album version. B-side is one of the best things they've
ever done, a piece of all-out techno with their regular instrumentation,
incl. guitars and real drums and only bits of keyboard. During the
breaks, instead of samples, you get piles of feedback. Awesome, but good
luck finding it.

Blue / Hex / Big Shot(?) remix
  "Blue" is more or less in the same style as the album "Hex" but more
upbeat and with synthesized bass and drums. "Hex" is incredibly noisy.
The remix (is it "Big Shot" or some other album track? I forget) is
redone as all-synths. Worth picking up for the completist but there's
nothing really good on it.

Half of BP have also release two(?) EPs under the name Boymerang. Andrew
Norman can provide more info, I've never seen or heard either one.
Supposedly the band are still together, but they haven't released
anything since '94.

____________
Jens Alfke |__________________      He was once a little round ball of
cells
            jens@mooseyard.com   Now he makes loud noises & sometimes
smells

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:29:00 PST
From: bahman (IZZYW5B@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: cocteau twins


i am sorry to buy eveyone with this final, ignorant question.

But...

What is the cocteau twins' e-mail list address?

grateful to any info,
bahman

p.s. Does Macbeth have an album out? Come down...just kidding.

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 20:02:30 EST
From: Tom Homulka (Thomas_Homulka.WORLDGROUP@NOTES.COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: 1996 v23 Calendar


  Does anyone have an official word on when the 1996 v23 calendar will be
  released?

  Thanks,
  Tom Homulka
  thomulka.worldgroup@notes.compuserve.com

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:53:50 -0600
From: Holly Emmer (hemmer@RRGROUP.COM)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance - bootlegs?


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Sorry to clutter up mailboxes...
Adam, I cannot send to you directly.

Well, I had to pay a bit for them $25 - $35.
Found them at a local record store here in Milwaukee.
I could probably order more if you are
interested, but I'm short of cash now.
When I bought these two, there was
one more available, but I already had most
of the songs on CD.

bye,
Holly


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From: Adam Olszewski[SMTP:ADAMRADV@PLEARN.BITNET]
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance - bootlegs?


Hi. I have two CDs of DCD not on 4AD.

 how on earth have you come into this possession?
(otherwise put: how could I?)
Adam Olszewski
adamradv@plearn.edu.pl
        Eden


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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:02:54 EST
From: Felicia Pickering (MNHAN063@SIVM.SI.EDU)
Subject: Life cycle of a listserv list--humor (sort of)


----------------------------Original message----------------------------

From: Museum discussion list

Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 10:17:06 -0600
From: Jan Anderson (JANAND@CC.USU.EDU)
Subject: Life cycle of a listserv list--humor (sort of)



THE NATURAL LIFE CYCLE OF MAILING LISTS

Every list seems to go through the same cycle:

1.  Initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush
     alot about how wonderful it is to find kindred souls).

2.  Evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to
     the list, and brainstorm recruitment strategies).

3.  Growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy
     threads develop, occasional off-topic threads pop up)

4.  Community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others;
     lots of information and advice is exchanged; experts help other
     experts as well as less experienced colleagues; friendships
     develop; people tease each other; newcomers are welcomed with
     generosity and patience; everyone---newbie and expert alike---
     feels comfortable asking questions, suggesting answers, and
     sharing opinions)

5.  Discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases
     dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every
     reader; people start complaining about the signal-to-noise
     ratio; person 1 threatens to quit if *other* people don't
     limit discussion to person 1's pet topic; person 2 agrees
     with person 1; person 3 tells 1 & 2 to lighten up; more
     bandwidth is wasted complaining about off-topic threads
     than is used for the threads themselves; everyone gets
     annoyed)

6a.  Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone
      who asks an 'old' question or responds with humor to a serious
      post; newbies are rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing
      level of a few minor issues; all interesting discussions happen
      by private email and are limited to a few participants; the
      purists spend lots of time self-righteously congratulating
      each other on keeping off-topic threads off the list)

 OR

6b.  Maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the
     participants stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly
     every few weeks; many people wear out their second or third
     'delete' key, but the list lives contentedly ever after)


=======================================================================

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 20:17:48 -0500
From: SortSol@AOL.COM
Subject: "Another Day"/Apartments


Jake wrote:

>>not to be nitpicky (i.e. you probably already know this but just in
case...)
"another day" was originally Tim Buckley.  "Mr. Somewhere" was the
Apartments.<<

"Another Day" was written by Roy Harper. As for the Apartments, they have a
fairly new release out that is quite available domestically (U.S. that is).
It is quite good as well.

Anybody on the whereabouts of Mary Margaret O'Hara's "Miss America" LP (from
whence "Help Me Lift You Up" came). I'm desparate for this release
(especially on vinyl). Sleevies by Messr. Bigg. Her voice is quite
remarkable.

Thanks,
Sorty (who really likes the Roche's version of "Jill Of All Trades" and
thinks Liquorice's version could have easily fit on TMC's "Blood")


Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 20:32:37 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Jake's 4AD catalogue


Jake wrote:

>>If I were to get it from 4AD US would I be able to order
things through the US office or would it still go through the UK?<<

It still goes through the U.K. unfortunately (you'd think that since Ivo
lived here, you could order throught the U.S. office too; I know it's
simpleton reasoning, but anyway...)

>>Basically, I just want to know if it would be less costly and more
expedient to get a new catalogue from the US office.<<

To get a new catalogue from the U.S. office would be cheaper and easier ($2,
I think). I once saw a 4AD catalogue in a record store in Atlanta that they
were selling for $7.50!!! What a joke/rip-off (although I'm sure someone's
bought it by now).

As for that freeby stuff, I don't know. I don't think that the U.S. office is
very up on maintaining their mailing list.

Does anyone have any concrete stories on why everyone thinks that Bev Chin is
a bitch? I know it's filthy gossip, but hey...

SortSol (that picture of the baby in Lilliput-it's ME!!!)

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:58:39 -0700
From: "M. Wade Chamberlainn" (chamberlainw@YVAX.BYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: shiFt!


There is a Shift playing here tommorow night with God Head Silo and Texas
Is The Reason do you know if it is the same band? if so i'll check them out!

On Mon, 13 Nov 1995, mesocyclone wrote:

>   In all my ranting and raving about how wonderful shiFt is, I forgot to
> mention one thing: Marc is on this list.  So if you're curious about
> shiFt and/or ordering the cd, you can get in touch with him at
> moster@mail.texas.edu.  He's a really nice guy and I'm sure he'll be
> happy to answer any questions you might have!
>
>
> ******************************************************************************
> soon@unm.edu         * MBV, Medicine, Seefeel * A.I.D.S. -> We are all
> Will Coucheron-Aamot *   lovesliescrushing    *    infected because we
> Delta Lambda Phi     * FSA, shiFt, Slowdive   *    are all affected.
> ******************************************************************************
>

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 20:48:52 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance - bootlegs?


        Holly said:
>Hi. I have two CDs of DCD not on 4AD.  I think they are bootlegs.  Anyone
have these?  Are there others like the ones I have?  Anyone want more
information on these?

>Dark Christ-Mas
>Meditabor

        I have a different one called "Gothic Spleens" but actually i seem
to remember that there are two pairs of duplicate boot CD's with different
names and different covers that are from the same concert.   so, be careful.
        It used to be that the Dead Can Dance page had a listing of all the
CD bootlegs (there are quite a few) with sleeve scans, the incorrect track
listings (the ones on the back), the correct track listings, and a short
evaluation of the sound quality etc..  Shortly after the DCD page became
official Brendan asked to have those removed from the webpage (for obvious
reasons)  BUT darn it all---that function of the webpage is deeply missed.
Did anyone happen to download all that information and would be willing to
share it with us?  There's certainly a need for this information since you
want to get the most out of your ill-bought booty.
        I can imagine a renegade webpage with the aforementioned information
along with sound snippets (heck, they're not legally copyrighted by the
people making the money anyway).  :)  Anyone volunteering?

-cz

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 20:07:37 -0700
From: "M. Wade Chamberlainn" (chamberlainw@YVAX.BYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP


any more word on the December 8 date in Frisco Me and a bunch of friends
are gonna drive out from SLC if so!


Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 22:37:49 -0500
From: a Bear of Very Little Brain (farrago@BETA.DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: shiFt!


>There is a Shift playing here tommorow night with God Head Silo and Texas
>Is The Reason do you know if it is the same band? if so i'll check them out!

I would hazard a guess to say that the abovementioned Shift is not the shoey
shiFt that a number of us admire and adore, as the real (at least for me)
shiFt seems to gig almost as often as... well, not very often, and almost
exclusively in Austin.  In fact, I'm almost willing to bet some money that
the band playing tomorrow night is some mediocre punkrawk band (nothing
against punk necessarily, just largely superfluous in my book...).  Instead,
stay home, save yr money, order the CD from N D, and start looking forward
their forthcoming 7" (also on N D).

Cheers,


hk
--
farrago records
box 13148 houston 77219 usa
farrago@beta.delphi.com

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 22:25:27 -0500
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: "Another Day"/Apartments


sortsol wrote


Anybody on the whereabouts of Mary Margaret O'Hara's "Miss America" LP (from
whence "Help Me Lift You Up" came). I'm desparate for this release
(especially on vinyl). Sleevies by Messr. Bigg. Her voice is quite
remarkable.




my friend and i managed to track down 90 percent of the original albums from
whence the TMC stuff came. the mary margaret album was not that hard to find
at any major record store in the folk section. the album is rather lackluster
otherwise

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:28:02 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: "Another Day"/Apartments


>Jake wrote:
>
>>>not to be nitpicky (i.e. you probably already know this but just in
>case...)
>"another day" was originally Tim Buckley.  "Mr. Somewhere" was the
>Apartments.<<
>
>"Another Day" was written by Roy Harper.

Well, Tim Buckley, Roy Harper... they're both 70's folk singers with one
syllable first names and two syllable last names, etc., etc....

 As for the Apartments, they have a
>fairly new release out that is quite available domestically (U.S. that is).
>It is quite good as well.

I've seen the new release, but I was wondering specifically about the
release that "Mr. Somewhere" was on.  Any ideas?

Jake, who's pretty fuckin' sick of hearing about the Qin dynasty for the
last three hours