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Subject: Re: Seefeel vs Cocteaus; & AOL haters
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:11:48 -0800
From: Chico Salmon (brett@WOPR.GSM.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo Cassette thingees
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:32:50 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: a bunch of questions
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:50:29 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Erm...Pixies studio recordings et al
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 01:12:57 -0600
From: Michael C Lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: sonic youth and the amps
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 02:13:19 -0800
From: lushmuse (eahu597@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: (petty whining about aol bashing)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 04:03:18 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Thirty-three degrees and Lycia
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:53:21 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: About TAD and XAD things...
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 14:35:30 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan/M.M. O'Hara/another Bigg sleeve
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 09:46:43 -0500
From: KILLMESOON@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Insides
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 09:46:41 -0500
From: KILLMESOON@AOL.COM
Subject: Singing Lessons?
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 09:48:04 -0500
From: SortSol@AOL.COM
Subject: Who had DOG BONES and ITIGTHOI auction? Jason E?
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 10:20:05 -0500
From: "John B. Jones" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: dorky bands redux/Cocteaux vs Seefeel
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 10:17:45 -0500
From: Pyramus and his frisbee (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Solid State (= Kelley Deal)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 16:56:47 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: dorky bands some people like
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 11:26:46 -0500
From: Kevhin Kean (Spider1327@AOL.COM)
Subject: RHP
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 09:34:16 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: 4AD List?
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:59:10 -0500
From: SortSol@AOL.COM
Subject: the real crime (was aol bashing)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 13:06:41 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo Cassette thingees
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:28:13 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Insides
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:24:47 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD List?
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:39:29 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD List?
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 14:09:20 CST
From: "(Ivan Hernandez)" (IHernandez@NABORS.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD List?
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:39:51 -0800
From: snowangel k-j (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo Cassette thingees
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:32:19 -0500
From: Bear of Very Little Brain (farrago@BETA.DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Skylab
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:53:10 -0800
From: Chico Salmon (brett@WOPR.GSM.UCI.EDU)
Subject: so, this is a 4ad list? i thought it was grunge-l!!!!
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:49:03 -0800
From: snowangel k-j (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: so, this is a 4ad list? i thought it was grunge-l!!!!
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 13:01:08 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: so, this is a 4ad list? i thought it was grunge-l!!!!
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:43:26 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Insides
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:19:14 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: 4AD records for sale (33 left)
Date: 11 Nov 1995 23:03:55 GMT
From: Sebastien GREPPO (100337.1757@CompuServe.COM)
Subject: That Dog. in concert. Woof.
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:40:45 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: so, this is a 4ad list? i thought it was grunge-l!!!!
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 18:30:12 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: help i've been abducted by jordan catalano!!! (no 4ad content)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 18:47:52 -0600
From: dizzy-rock fraggle baggle (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: so, this is a 4ad list? i thought it was grunge-l!!!!
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 17:31:32 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: help i've been abducted by jordan catalano!!! (no 4ad content)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 18:22:52 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:11:48 -0800
From: Chico Salmon (brett@WOPR.GSM.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: Seefeel vs Cocteaus; & AOL haters


> But what really is frightening about einexile's reply is that "Dumb AOLer"
> part.  By attacking something about BluBel the *person* (his being on AOL),
> rather than what he *said*, you've commited one of the greatest fallacies
> of reasoning/logic.  Furthemore, you are just like a racist.  Calling

No it is not racism. A person chooses to use the AOL service. One does
not choose their race.

Brett

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:32:50 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo Cassette thingees


  Hi all.  I was talking with Marc from shiFt recently, and he said ESP
Summer is going to have something new out soon.  I don't remember what it
was, but it is supposed to be something new.  I'll go back and look at
the post again and see what it was.  Later!


******************************************************************************
soon@unm.edu         * MBV, Medicine, Seefeel * A.I.D.S. -> We are all
Will Coucheron-Aamot *   lovesliescrushing    *    infected because we
Delta Lambda Phi     * FSA, shiFt, Slowdive   *    are all affected.
******************************************************************************


Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:50:29 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: a bunch of questions


>
The Lush Home Page is alive and well.  I've been too busy
to update it with current rumours and the new song (not to
mention the link someone sent me for song tabulatures)


1. )Where is the song tablatures place?

2.) Why can't I have a copy of the tape?....screw Emma, she can get her
own tapes!

                                    Love,
                                        Brian

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 01:12:57 -0600
From: Michael C Lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Erm...Pixies studio recordings et al


Rough Dimonds is on Blue Moon Records, (BMCD32)
I don't know how available it is I got my while visiting England this summer.

mike


Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 02:13:19 -0800
From: lushmuse (eahu597@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: sonic youth and the amps


hey everyone!!

just got home a little while ago from seeing sonic youth, the amps, and
bikini kill at the hollywood palladium...all were amazing especially
bikini kill...kathleen hanna has a very energetic and strong presence and
a great big voice.

when sonic youth were on, kim deal came out into the audience where i
said hi and talked to her a little and told her that "pacer" was a pretty
good album and she said thanks for the support and that she appreciated
it...also in the audienc was, i could've sworn was frank black...a few
others thought so too but no one said anything and i didn't either.  oh
well!

laters!

p.s. have any of you heard of a band called, emily's sassy lime?  they
are playing with aberdeen soon in irvine and they consist of 3 teenage
asian girls...definitely worth checking out...cute punk pop...they have a
cd out right now called "right is here" and i think they have a new one
out next week or something...not quite sure.


Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 04:03:18 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: (petty whining about aol bashing)


On Thu, 9 Nov 1995, Ryan wrote:

> In response to a claim that Seefeel is better than the Cocteaus will ever
> be, BluBelKnol@AOL.COM replied:
> > So tell me, are you on drugs? or just some sort of mild brain damage?
>
> And einexile replies back:
> >That's funny. As it turns out, the Cocteau Twins were using drugs *and*
> >inflicting upon themselves mild brain damage all during the recording of
> >your misspelled namesake.
> >
> >Dumb AOLer!
>
> First of all, einexile, BluBel's "misspelled namesake" is not a
> misspelling, but rather an abbreviation for a username.  Duh!!!  You should
> know that.

Do you really think that I am this stupid? It is of course a ridiculous,
tacky abbreviation. Whether or not it is an abbr. doesn't except it from
being a misspelling. Or if it does, do you really care?

> Secondly, the Cocteaus' use of drugs has nothing at all to do
> with this issue being discussed of whether or not Seefeel is better than
> the Cocteaus.

No, it was whether or not there is something wrong with meso's head. If
you choose to recall, I didn't bring up the topic of drug use.

> But what really is frightening about einexile's reply is that "Dumb AOLer"
> part.

I'm fuckin terrified! Horror of horrors, next the Vile Politzei will be
marching Darkwavers into ovens. Will we stop at nothing?

> By attacking something about BluBel the *person* (his being on AOL),
> rather than what he *said*, you've commited one of the greatest fallacies
> of reasoning/logic.

You learned about this in the AOL 'illogical arguments' FAQ! Didn't you?
DIDN'T YOU!?!?

BAHAHAHAHA....

> Furthemore, you are just like a racist.

Fuckin'A right I am. One and the same. You know what I did the other day?
Right in the middle of sending mail FROM MY AOL ACCOUNT, i threw myself
down on the ground and beat the hell out of myself with a baseball bat.

> Calling
> someone a dumb AOLer is just like calling someone a dumb 'N-word' (Mark
> Furman).

Are you calling Mark Furman a nigger?

> Sure there are both dumb and brilliant AOLers, Netcomers, African
> Americans, Anglo-Saxons, etc.  But to GENERALIZE in a negative way

So it's okay to do so in a positive way?

Aren't you unfairly holding my bigotry against me? I am terrified that
you would make such a general statement about racists as if we were all
the same.

> (as you
> did with your remark) a class or category of people to be dumb is racist,
> or *elitist* in this situation.

Why don't you stop this now? You aren't really cut out for it.

> I can imagine some of you saying "yeah,
> but AOL does suck", but that's *your* opinion.

And what is this in your post? God's Infallible Will? Who said that any
statement about the quality of a person or organization even *can* be
something other than an opinion? Tell me, when is a judgement NOT an
opinion?

> Some people truly like AOL
> and who are you to tell them otherwise?

Who are you to tell me otherwise? Here you've accused me of being a
terrifying bigot, and then you ask where I get my right to judge an
online service. When did I undertake to tell someone that they did not
like AOL, anyway?

> Plus, even if AOL does suck, it
> doesn't follow that its users suck.

Great software, great interface, great concept, great system. Shitty
people all over the place, though, just like you might safely say that
most people in prison are pretty shitty. AOL sucks because 99% of its
users are for shit. You will of course note that I did not use Mr.
Knol's chosen online service as a means of arguing against his position.
I merely noted that he is one of many dumb AOLers. I believe it was you
who assumed that this was a redundancy, and that somehow from the
statement "dumb AOLer" can be concluded that the speaker thinks *all* AOL
users are dumb.

You *will* note that, won't you?

> So, we should not welcome AOLers on this list nor listen to what they have
> to say because they are dumb. Right?

No, we should not welcome AOLers onto this list because they are
*probably* dumb. Only when they inevitably confirm our prejudices should
we cease to give them our attention.

> Only people from "cool" internet
> providers will be taken seriously on 4AD-L!

I suppose by this you mean Netcom?

> Everyone else: unsubscribe
> immediately!!!  You are not worthy to be among us cool hip internet
> know-it-all elitists!

I suppose it's fair to assume that all people who dislike AOLers are
elitists? Jesus Christ, how many times have I posted to this list from my
AOL account? With how many 4ad-l subscribers from AOL have I joined here
in intelligent discussions? It just goes to show that all people with
cool hip ISPs who do not also have AOL accounts don't know what the hell
they're talking about and just like now and then to publicly vent and
spew the conventional wisdom for the week.

> This kind of attitude is shameful and an
> embarrassment to everyone on this list.

This kind of needless, oblivious sanctimony would be an embarrassment to
everyone on this list were there any reason for 420 people to be
embarrassed by one fool's blather. Do you really think your entire sermon
didn't enter my mind before sending that post? I had a good laugh about
it, too. Lighten up, buddy. Or if you wish to be outraged, at least be
outraged about something about which someone gives a shit.

Stupid Darkwaver.



 einexile

all flameage and nice-nice will find its way back onto this list


Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:53:21 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Thirty-three degrees and Lycia


Thirty-Three degrees is a great record store located at 27th and
Duval( by the Posse-East).  They have 3 copies of ESP-Summer at 7$
each.  This store is very small and not noticable.  It is all way at
the end by the Crown and Anchor Pub.

Please privately email me your buy/don't buy recomendation Lycia's
"Iona".

Thanks!

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 14:35:30 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: About TAD and XAD things...


Oct 23 Ivo wrote:

>Ok, this is kinda shaky information that I just kinda happened to glance
>at in the office the other day, but here goes.
>TAD 5017 Kristin Hersh 'The Holy EP'
>don't ask for any details, because I don't know anything more.

I know the CD-EP is out in the US, through Ryko/Throwing Music. Any news yet
about the UK/Euro version??


I ordered the V23 '1996' calender about a month ago from 4AD mailorder, but
still haven't received it. I thought the release date was Oct 23, but i saw
a message from Vinyl Ink on the 4AD Newsgroup saying that they were
expecting the catalogue around Thanksgivingday (that's Nov 30 isn't it?).
Is there anyone who knows the REAL 'release'date?

Thanks in advance!

Frank
++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++


Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 09:46:43 -0500
From: KILLMESOON@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan/M.M. O'Hara/another Bigg sleeve


>>>Well, after years of searching, I finally found a copy of Shelleyan
Orphan's
first album, _Helleborine_.  The copy I am getting is on vinyl, and I was
wondering if anyone knew if there was ever a cd version put out.<<<

YEP!!! On Columbia in the States. Seems like Rough Trade would still have it
going on in the rest of the world (i.e. you can probably get it import).

Me, I'm looking for Mary Margaret O'Hara's "Miss America" on Vinyl or CD.
She's truly gifted. (Oh yeah, the sleevies are done by Chris Bigg).

Phil

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 09:46:41 -0500
From: KILLMESOON@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Insides


The "Clear Skin" EP on Guernica. This is amazing (to me at least; one
instrumental track that lasts about 30 minutes)!

As Earwig (an earlier incarnation that sounds a good bit like Insides) a LP
"Inside My Skin I Am Laughing" on a domestic label (I think it's called
La-Di-Da).

Any others?

These are all I know of.

Bye,

Phil

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 09:48:04 -0500
From: SortSol@AOL.COM
Subject: Singing Lessons?


>>I love reading stuff like this.  When a band that is the embodiment of
mediocre, Red House Painters, leaves the label, it is decried by some as one
of the worst things to EVER happen to 4AD... I'm just thinking, HELLO?? Can
Mark take a singing lesson or two?  PLEASE?<<


So now you have to be classically trained operatic singer to be in a pop
group. Someone tell Robert Smith to shut his trap then.

La-la-la,
SortSol (a.k.a. Golden Tonsils)

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 10:20:05 -0500
From: "John B. Jones" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: Who had DOG BONES and ITIGTHOI auction? Jason E?


Whomever you are, I'm pretty sure your name is Jason Erslanger, please
e-mail me back.  You sent me e-mail this week with your address, and it got
deleted accidentally.

Sorry, and hope to hear from you!

(and sorry to the rest of you who have to read this.)

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
John B. Jones                           e-mail: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu


"A pox upon the media and everything you read,
 They tell you your opinions and they're very good indeed." -Soft Boys
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 10:17:45 -0500
From: Pyramus and his frisbee (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: dorky bands redux/Cocteaux vs Seefeel


>2.) Bow wow wow
>What was her name again?  I keep thinking something like "anastasia" or
>"Anabel" but I can't quite seem to remember.

Annabella Lwin (yes, Lwin)

>> Maybe not dorky, but certainly irritatingly mediocre and complacent
sometimes.

>Lush is FAR from mediocre, and definitely NOT irritating.

I didn't say they themselves were irritating, just that SOMETIMES they are
mediocre/dull and complacent and that THAT can be irritating. There were
some songs on Spooky that just didn't go anywhere and "Hypocrite" was just
too generic-sounding for me. That sort of thing.

On another note:
This is not meant as a slag to Will, but something occurred to me about his
Seefeel vs Cocteaux post, the one that, um, garnered so much attention. I'm
quoting from memory here, but I'm sure the first thing he said was:

"Do not make the mistake of comparing Seefeel and the Cocteau Twins"

which seems fair enough - I mean, the bands are really quite different, and
comparisons can be a bit iffy - but then he said something like:

"Seefeel are far better than anything the Cocteaux could ever do"
                 ^^^^^^
and my point is: isn't that a comparison as well? I thought we weren't
supposed to make those...

Larry

"Yes, my world's tumbling down, stone by stone, to the ground"
-Please take out the garbage


Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 16:56:47 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Solid State (= Kelley Deal)


Kelley Deal formed her own band, called 'Solid State'.

Does anyone have more information about it?


Emiel

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 11:26:46 -0500
From: Kevhin Kean (Spider1327@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: dorky bands some people like


does any one know what happend to Catherine Wheel when they were supposed to
play Pittsburgh, PA on 10/14/95?  They never played and Belly dedicated their
set to the remaining memebers of CW

teho
kk


Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 09:34:16 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: RHP


>>>I love reading stuff like this.  When a band that is the embodiment of
>mediocre, Red House Painters, leaves the label, it is decried by some as one
>of the worst things to EVER happen to 4AD... I'm just thinking, HELLO?? Can
>Mark take a singing lesson or two?  PLEASE?<<

Uhm, actually, which group on 4AD couldn't use a singing or 2? As far as
RHP, they are one of my favorite groups and actually, I think that their
decision to leave 4AD is probably going to be the best thing that ever
happened to them!
>
>
>So now you have to be classically trained operatic singer to be in a pop
>group. Someone tell Robert Smith to shut his trap then.
>
>La-la-la,
>SortSol (a.k.a. Golden Tonsils)

THANK YOU, 'nuf said (and yes, I realize that I just butchered the
language. A little disclaimer for all you list members who have SO much
time on your hands to write paragraphs about crap like that).


Elvia

(elvia@uclink3.berkeley.edu)


Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:59:10 -0500
From: SortSol@AOL.COM
Subject: 4AD List?


This is supposed to be the 4AD List, isn't it?

Yes, even I have posted occasionally about non-4AD signings and I've learned
much from others who have done the same. As of late, though, it just seems to
be getting out of hand.

If you'd rather mention something non-4AD related casually, that's fine. But
to fill this list with nothing but seems lazy and silly. If someone brings
up, say, Autechre, and you'd like to go into that particular topic a little
more, it seems logical that you'd continue that discussion with the party
that originated it and not via this list. There are other lists for that sort
of thing.

I'm not that picky either. At least the Cocteau Twins were on 4AD, but all of
this other talk is a waste of a lot of people's time.

I'm into plenty of other musics non-4AD, including the Swirlies, but I'd
rather not read about that stuff on this list (this-listy or not). I'm sure
I'm not alone.

I'll probably get pounced upon for this posting by many (especially e who
seems to subscribe to this list for that purpose alone).

Let's talk 4AD shall we.

Thanks,

Sort Sol

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 13:06:41 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: the real crime (was aol bashing)


        e said:
>> >Dumb AOLer!
>>
        response:
>> By attacking something about BluBel the *person* (his being on AOL),
>> rather than what he *said*, you've commited one of the greatest fallacies
>> of reasoning/logic.
        e again:
>You learned about this in the AOL 'illogical arguments' FAQ! Didn't you?
>DIDN'T YOU!?!?

        Don't we all learn this fallacious line of reasoning by living
through grade school?  Of course, i didn't learn the name for it till my
college logic class (it's the ad hominem fallacy, if memory serves).

        the one valid, logical, point of defense that e has:
>I merely noted that he is one of many dumb AOLers. I believe it was you
>who assumed that this was a redundancy, and that somehow from the
>statement "dumb AOLer" can be concluded that the speaker thinks *all* AOL
>users are dumb.

BUT nevermind all that, HERE's the real crime:
>Do you really think your entire sermon
>didn't enter my mind before sending that post? I had a good laugh about
>it, too. Lighten up, buddy.

You troll!  You knew all along that we'd all waste this "valuable"
bandwidth (or wear out our tired 'delete pinky') as a result of your
statement and yet you did it anyway.  Yeah it is kinda funny in that light
but SINISTER too.

-cz

>I'm fuckin terrified! Horror of horrors, next the Vile Politzei will be
>marching Darkwavers into ovens. Will we stop at nothing?

Don't worry, i'll hide you all in my attic.   :)

... dreaming of an attic full of darkies hanging upside down from the
rafters  ...


___<<<<<<<<<*********ckemnitz@students.wisc.edu********>>>>>>>>>___

"Like a diaphanous nightgown, language both hides and reveals.  There is no
way of getting at the naked truth, even if it's wearing the Emperor's New
Clothes, or the Empress's New Clothos.  We follow our Mother Tongue into
her boudoir, anyway, hoping for a glimpse of something never yet beheld-and
come face to face with our own reflections in her most private mirror,
veiled meanings in a gossamer heap on the floor."     -Karen Elizabeth
Gordon


Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:28:13 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo Cassette thingees


In Message Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:32:50 -0700, mesocyclone  writes:

>  Hi all.  I was talking with Marc from shiFt recently, and he said ESP
>Summer is going to have something new out soon.  I don't remember what it
>was, but it is supposed to be something new.  I'll go back and look at
>the post again and see what it was.  Later!
>
a month ago ian wrote me that they were supposed to have another french
thing out soon.  i'm going to write him again, soon for details.  other than
the farrago thing, i think that's it.  oh, and that (mono?) 7" on perdition
plastics.  anyone know if that's out yet?

eric

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:24:47 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Insides


In Message Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:48:34 -0800,
  Jake Reichert  writes:

>>There are two CDs available that I know of, when they were called
>>Earwig.  One is called Under My Skin I Am Laughing and the other
>>is a compilation of earlier stuff called Past.  UMSIAL is more
>>similar to Insides than Past, but Past is AWESOME.
>
>I have a promo lp that I picked up for three bucks (!!) at a store a few
>months ago.  One side is a shorter mix of clear skin, the other side is
>another mix of it and a version of "Distractions" whick is quite different
>from the album version.
>
>Jake

that would be the vinyl version of "clearskin," methinks.  insides attempt
at top 40 ;)

eric

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:39:29 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD List?


In Message Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:59:10 -0500, SortSol@AOL.COM writes:

>This is supposed to be the 4AD List, isn't it?

rest deleted. . .

you haven't been on this list for very long have you?  one of the cool
things about it is that the list isn't a 4ad list per se.  we often discuss
bands "that are on 4ad in parallel universes" (see the FAQ).  even though
much of the discussion here is "off topic," most of the bands discussed seem
to fit in with what the rest of us are listening to.  besides, who wants to
read about scheer, some kristen hersh religious songs, and a lush ep that
was never released anyway?  i hear there's a wonderful 4ad newsgroup though
(snicker). . .

so there,

eric

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 14:09:20 CST
From: "(Ivan Hernandez)" (IHernandez@NABORS.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD List?


You wrote:

>I'm into plenty of other musics non-4AD, including the Swirlies, but I'd
>rather not read about that stuff on this list (this-listy or not). I'm sure
>I'm not alone.

You are right, you are not alone, I consider this a waste of time too for
many who really want to chat about 4AD.
I had to sign-off from this list, since I was receiving about 60 E-mails a
day, from which 55 were crap.
Instead of arguing like a bunch of kids, lets get into serious opinions and
information. And try everyone to learn a little from each other, if not this'll
be simply rubbish.


\\\\  IH

PS    By the way, anybody any recent information on DEAD CAN DANCE
(Tours, new releases)
I will be glad to exchange any information on them.


Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:39:51 -0800
From: snowangel k-j (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD List?


> I'm into plenty of other musics non-4AD, including the Swirlies, but I'd
> rather not read about that stuff on this list (this-listy or not). I'm sure
> I'm not alone.

  if you read the welcome and faq, you'd know that the discussion on this
  list encompasses "thislisty" music as well, which is a broad and
  general term. you want strictly 4ad talk and nothing but 4ad talk,
  start yer own list..otherwise, become intimately familiar with your
  delete key....


  always delete-worthy,
  k-j


Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:32:19 -0500
From: Bear of Very Little Brain (farrago@BETA.DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo Cassette thingees


>>  Hi all.  I was talking with Marc from shiFt recently, and he said ESP
>>Summer is going to have something new out soon.  I don't remember what it
>>was, but it is supposed to be something new.  I'll go back and look at
>>the post again and see what it was.  Later!
>>
>a month ago ian wrote me that they were supposed to have another french
>thing out soon.  i'm going to write him again, soon for details.  other than
>the farrago thing, i think that's it.  oh, and that (mono?) 7" on perdition
>plastics.  anyone know if that's out yet?

According to Ian, the French release of ESP Dolphin (ESP Summer by any other
name is... pretty much the same thing) should be out within the next few
weeks.  Throw in the fact that this is a France-only sort of release, and
the availability of this disc should be comparable to that of the Spoonfed
Hybrid 7" that was out a few months back (and speaking of which, we'll be
getting some of those 7"s for mailorder soon).

The 7" on Perdition Plastics will consist of two songs from the tape that's
been remastered on a wire recorder (an amazing piece of equipment from the
days before the magnetic tape was invented).  Mono as mono gets, truly.  No
word on when that should be ready, tho'.

Cheers,



hk
farrago records * box 13148 houston 77219 usa
"two black eyes and one of blue will lead me straight to you,
 there's been no rain since i arrived; the sticky sun is you."
 - esp summer "when it snows"

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:53:10 -0800
From: Chico Salmon (brett@WOPR.GSM.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Skylab


Since there has been a lot of discussion about Seefeel and Astralwerks, I
am interested in opionions on Skylab. Got a postcard advertising this
disc the other. It looked interesting.

Brett

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:49:03 -0800
From: snowangel k-j (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: so, this is a 4ad list? i thought it was grunge-l!!!!


  listen, you kids who want 4ad chatter, one reason there is barely
  any 4ad talk is that no one brings up anything worth talking about...
  so why don't YOU start a discussion on something 4ad related...
  you do have to participate in order to gain results...



  k

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 13:01:08 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: so, this is a 4ad list? i thought it was grunge-l!!!!


>  listen, you kids who want 4ad chatter, one reason there is barely
>  any 4ad talk is that no one brings up anything worth talking about...
>  so why don't YOU start a discussion on something 4ad related...
>  you do have to participate in order to gain results...
>
>
>
>  k

The reason why there is no 4AD chatter is because there is nothing to say
about 4AD acts.  There so
bunk at this point. Jesus. I will not spend $20.00 for an import to hear shite.

The gentle disturbed

Fred/Derf

(c/o elvia@uclink3.berkley.edu)


Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:43:26 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: so, this is a 4ad list? i thought it was grunge-l!!!!


>The reason why there is no 4AD chatter is because there is nothing to say
>about 4AD acts.  There [sic] so
>bunk at this point. Jesus. I will not spend $20.00 for an import to hear shite.
>(c/o elvia@uclink3.berkley.edu)

Um, either i totally misconstrued what you said OR you're pretty confused.
What do import prices have to do with anything?  In case you haven't
noticed, 4AD is not JUST a UK operation anymore, they are also based in CA
(the same state that your e-mail account seems to indicate you live in).  So
either you haven't bought a CD from them at all lately (and, therefore, are
in no position to judge) OR you have bought some recent stuff but you're too
clueless to notice.

Sorry to be so harsh,
cz


Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:19:14 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Insides


>>I have a promo lp that I picked up for three bucks (!!) at a store a few
>>months ago.  One side is a shorter mix of clear skin, the other side is
>>another mix of it and a version of "Distractions" whick is quite different
>>from the album version.
>>
>>Jake
>
>that would be the vinyl version of "clearskin," methinks.  insides attempt
>at top 40 ;)

Do you mean that it is the vinyl version of the song "clear skin" or the
vinyl version of the whole album "clear skin" (I know there's only one song
on the album, but I just wanted to avoid confusion)?  I don't know if there
was a vinyl version of it or not, but the album I have says "promo" on it.


Jake

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:31:58 -0800
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: 4AD records for sale (33 left) (fwd)


I bought a cd from this guy a while ago.  There were no problems whatsoever.
Spend money, listies!!!

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: 11 Nov 1995 23:03:55 GMT
From: Sebastien GREPPO (100337.1757@CompuServe.COM)
Subject: 4AD records for sale (33 left)


 Hi, and thanks to all the people that replied and bought records
from my previous posting, there are 33 records left for sale,
so if you are interested by anything please send me your selection
by e-mail at:

  100337.1757@compuserve.com

(Prices go from $ 10 to $ 20 depending on item, all are in perfect
condition, I will make good discounts on multiple items)


 Please note that this is a small selection from a list of approx.
1450 records, so if you are interested by other bands or labels,
feel free to ask ! Also I am not a shop so only 1 copy of each
record is available and I am not interested in trades since I
am selling almost all my collection.

 Thanks
 Sebastien

************

MODERN ENGLISH; Gathering Dust; 7"; AD 15
MODERN ENGLISH; Smiles and Laughter; 7"; AD 110
BIRTHDAY PARTY (THE); RELEASE THE BATS; 7"; AD 111
COCTEAU TWINS (THE); LULLABIES; 12"; BAD 213
BIRTHDAY PARTY (THE); THE BAD SEED; 12"; BAD 301
BIRTHDAY PARTY (THE); MUTINY; CD; CAD 301CD
COCTEAU TWINS (THE); PEPPERMINT PIG; 12"; BAD 303
COLOURBOX; BREAKDOWN (2ND.VERSION); 12"; BAD 304
X MAL DEUTSCHLAND; QUAL; 12"; BAD 305
MODERN ENGLISH; GATHERING DUST; 12"; BAD 306
BIRTHDAY PARTY (THE); SINGLES; 12"; BAD 307
BIRTHDAY PARTY (THE); HEE-HAW; CD; CAD 307CD
BAUHAUS; 4AD SINGLES; 12"; BAD 312
COCTEAU TWINS (THE); SUNBURST AND SNOWBLIND; 12"; BAD 314
COLOURBOX; SHOTGUN; MINI LP; MAD 315
MODERN ENGLISH; CHAPTER 12; 12"; BAD 401
MODERN ENGLISH; RICOCHET DAYS; ALBUM; CAD 402
COLOURBOX; SAY YOU; 12"; BAD 403
COLOURBOX; PUNCH; 12"; BAD 406
DEAD CAN DANCE; GARDEN OF THE ARCANE DELIGHTS; 12"; BAD 408
COCTEAU TWINS (THE); AIKEA GUINEA; 12"; BAD 501
COLOURBOX; COLOURBOX; ALBUM; CAD 508
WOLFGANG PRESS (THE); THE LEGENDARY WOLFGANG PRESS; CD; CAD 514CD
COLOURBOX; BABY I LOVE YOU SO; 12"; BAD 604
COLOURBOX; THE OFFICIAL COLOURBOX WORLD CUP THEME; 12"; BAD 605
DIF JUZ; OUT OF THE TREES; MINI LP; MAD 612
LONELY IS AN EYESORE Video (Pal European Format) VAD 703
THROWING MUSES; THE FAT SKIER; MINI LP; MAD 706
MARRS; PUMP UP THE VOLUME; 12"; BAD 707
PIXIES (THE); COME ON PILGRIM; MINI LP; MAD 709
WOLFGANG PRESS (THE); KING OF SOUL; 12"; BAD 804
COCTEAU TWINS (THE); BLUE BELL KNOLL; ALBUM; CAD 807; LIMITED GATEFOLD
ULTRA VIVID SCENE; MERCY SEAT; 12"; BAD 906


+

POSTCARDS 23 Enveloppe (original Set of 12 cards PAD 23) at $ 40.


Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:40:45 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: That Dog. in concert. Woof.


I heard that That Dog. is playing in SF over Thanksgiving Weekend.
Unfortunately, I'm fleeing to LA then to visit my family.  Does anyone know
if they are scheduled to play anywhere in the LA or OC area, too?

Thanks mucho,
Jake

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 18:30:12 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: so, this is a 4ad list? i thought it was grunge-l!!!!


On Sat, 11 Nov 1995, snowangel k-j wrote:

>   listen, you kids who want 4ad chatter, one reason there is barely
>   any 4ad talk is that no one brings up anything worth talking about...

This may be symptomatic of the fact there are few bands left on 4AD's
roster worth talking about.

>   so why don't YOU start a discussion on something 4ad related...

Okay. What does anyone think of K. Hersh's The Holy single?

Martin

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 18:47:52 -0600
From: dizzy-rock fraggle baggle (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: help i've been abducted by jordan catalano!!! (no 4ad content)


the last two days have been really weird. yesterday i saw, in passing, part
of an episode of my so called life. my roommate has all the episodes on
tape and the half-show sparked my interest enough, so last night, after
coincidentally dyeing my hair the same color as angela's (and i'd had the
color picked out for a while, so it was really strange to think back on
this this morning), i started watching the episodes. i was up until 8am
this morning! then, after waking up at 2pm, i had to watch more. i just
finished watching the xmas episode (and drying my eyes.) i would stay up
and watch the rest but i am driving to houston in, oh, 20 minutes for a
rave. help! i have three exams next week and i can't study because of this
show! i have to watch the rest of the tapes! god, i finally see what all
the fuss regarding this show was about. aaaaaaaa!
.j.


---
joroses@mail.utexas.edu
andover '94
-
i shoulda had a v8.


Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 17:31:32 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: so, this is a 4ad list? i thought it was grunge-l!!!!


> Okay. What does anyone think of K. Hersh's The Holy single?

        What's the track list of that CD? Is it on Sire in the U.S.?

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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 18:22:52 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: help i've been abducted by jordan catalano!!! (no 4ad content)



More interesting post-rave music: Liquorice & Michael Brook (especially
Sleeps With The Fishes).  Mmmmmm...