4ad-l Mail for 11-10-1995

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Subject: Re: Seefeel/Cocteaux
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:42:17 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Seefeel vs Cocteaus; & AOL haters
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:16:52 -0800
From: Ryan (ryan@LEONARDO.NET)
Subject: Macbeth + 4AD Catalogue Answers
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 21:54:03 -0500
From: Hrtn@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: another exile outed
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 22:38:03 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: What Seefeel sounds like...
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:03:34 -0700
From: Ernest Lopez (elopez@SCF.USC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Are these taking the piss?
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 23:32:09 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: suggestions?
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 21:20:05 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: shiFt!
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 21:10:53 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: a bunch of stuff...
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:23:21 -0800
From: "Reality's email account" (mcclure@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: Re: Design for a living
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 20:29:52 -0800
From: Peter Perez (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: suggestions?
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 01:33:32 EWT
From: soul whirling somewhere (BGMUTZA@CLUSTER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: taking a piss;dumbAOLers;braindamage etc etc
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 02:00:05 -0500
From: Naomi M Glina (SuprSwirly@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: brenden perry/mojave/hnia
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 02:08:26 EST
From: William Bill (bwilliam@FOGELSON.CSF.EDU)
Subject: Re: Are these taking the piss?
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 02:48:26 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Medicine Broke up?/dorky bands I like
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 01:34:45 -0800
From: reicja00 (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Seefeel vs Cocteaus; & AOL haters (fwd)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 01:44:44 -0800
From: snowangel k-j (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: The Mirror Pool - a defence
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:39:19 CET
From: "Gaveston, Gaveston, I'm hooked on you" (ADAMRADV@PLEARN.BITNET)
Subject: sacred?
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:54:00 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Untitled Soundtracks
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:32:27 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: dorky bands some people like
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 06:42:55 -0500
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: TMC sample in WFO?
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 05:10:47 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Woof!!!!
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 07:23:52 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: That last bit
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 07:53:36 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: The Starlashwishes are So In Your Head? This Mortal Coil,
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 07:41:52 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Eliteists!!!
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:20:18 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Seefeel vs Cocteaus; & AOL haters
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:55:26 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: mistle thrush
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:50:38 -0400
From: rebecca fagan (rfagan@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Woof!!!!
Date: Friday, 10 November, 1995 12:23
From: 4AD-L; hortman.m
Subject: Re: shiFt!
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:42:49 CST
From: thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM
Subject: astrobite?
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:18:10 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Erm...Pixies studio recordings et al
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:06:48 -0400
From: EZ (st953km8@DUNX1.OCS.DREXEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: "El Schlongo" or "Don Quixote"
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:13:51 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Shelleyan Orphan
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:29:43 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: AOL & DAMN Proud of It!
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:13:28 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Re: astrobite?
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 11:41:33 -0500
From: "jason du chassis.uwaterloo.ca" (jjvenkit@SCIBORG.UWATERLOO.CA)
Subject: Insides
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 11:10:05 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: dorky bands some people like
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:49:36 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan *plus*
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:50:18 -0600
From: "Kendal..." (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Swirlies review (long overdue)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 11:27:38 -0800
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:49:54 EWT
From: soul whirling somewhere (BGMUTZA@CLUSTER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:30:38 -0800
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:46:05 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 16:39:25 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: suggestions?
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:47:23 -0500
From: KH1@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:45:58 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Are these taking the piss?
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:27:56 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Woof!!!!
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:27:43 -0800
From: Peter Perez (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Woof!!!!
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:27:45 -0800
From: Peter Perez (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:36:39 -0800
From: Peter Perez (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: dorky bands some people like
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:59:46 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo Cassette thingees
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 16:27:21 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Swirlies review (long overdue)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:52:10 -0800
From: snowangel k-j (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: dorky bands some people like
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 16:05:52 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Good Lisa Gerrard interview on the web
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 00:36:08 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Insides
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:22:56 CST
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: (like me)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 20:17:59 -0500
From: Neil James (Quixote4@AOL.COM)
Subject: a Shelleyan error
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:07:06 -0800
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Insides
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:48:34 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: a Shelleyan error
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 19:25:40 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: dorky bands some people like
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 19:17:35 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Eliteists!!!
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:03:25 -0400
From: EZ (st953km8@DUNX1.OCS.DREXEL.EDU)

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:42:17 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Seefeel/Cocteaux


  No, I'm not on drugs and I don't have any brain damage.  IMHO, Seefeel
are way better than CT.  Now don't get me wrong, I love CT (Remember I
was the one who got the whole thing about CT's Pink Opaque "is it an
album or not?" thing going), but I think musically Seefeel have done alot
more.  I love Pink Opaque, and thought Blue Bell Knoll was good, but
after that, everything went downhill.  Twinlights????  Gimme a break.
Seefeel have done some very intelligent things, IMHO.  Who can compare
the delights of sitting in the dark and just listening to "signals"
repeatedly?  What they did with that song (with just one instrument!) is,
to me, quite frankly amazing..  And "Come Alive" will always be one of
the most impressive songs ever, alomost as good as mbv's "soon". 
(Did I say that?)  What they do with their music is much more interesting
than CT's therapy session lyrics anyday.

       Wiil, determined to shamelessly plug shiFt's "A Folding Sieve" for
the next several weeks.

******************************************************************************

                                   A.I.D.S.
              We are all infected because we are all affected.........

                                  *********
                     Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. soon@unm.edu
  MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
******************************************************************************

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:16:52 -0800
From: Ryan (ryan@LEONARDO.NET)
Subject: Seefeel vs Cocteaus; & AOL haters


In response to a claim that Seefeel is better than the Cocteaus will ever
be, BluBelKnol@AOL.COM replied:
> So tell me, are you on drugs? or just some sort of mild brain damage?

And einexile replies back:
>That's funny. As it turns out, the Cocteau Twins were using drugs *and*
>inflicting upon themselves mild brain damage all during the recording of
>your misspelled namesake.
>
>Dumb AOLer!

First of all, einexile, BluBel's "misspelled namesake" is not a
misspelling, but rather an abbreviation for a username.  Duh!!!  You should
know that.  Secondly, the Cocteaus' use of drugs has nothing at all to do
with this issue being discussed of whether or not Seefeel is better than
the Cocteaus.

But what really is frightening about einexile's reply is that "Dumb AOLer"
part.  By attacking something about BluBel the *person* (his being on AOL),
rather than what he *said*, you've commited one of the greatest fallacies
of reasoning/logic.  Furthemore, you are just like a racist.  Calling
someone a dumb AOLer is just like calling someone a dumb 'N-word' (Mark
Furman).  Sure there are both dumb and brilliant AOLers, Netcomers, African
Americans, Anglo-Saxons, etc.  But to GENERALIZE in a negative way (as you
did with your remark) a class or category of people to be dumb is racist,
or *elitist* in this situation.  I can imagine some of you saying "yeah,
but AOL does suck", but that's *your* opinion.  Some people truly like AOL
and who are you to tell them otherwise?  Plus, even if AOL does suck, it
doesn't follow that its users suck.

So, we should not welcome AOLers on this list nor listen to what they have
to say because they are dumb. Right?  Only people from "cool" internet
providers will be taken seriously on 4AD-L!  Everyone else: unsubscribe
immediately!!!  You are not worthy to be among us cool hip internet
know-it-all elitists!  This kind of attitude is shameful and an
embarrassment to everyone on this list.

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 21:54:03 -0500
From: Hrtn@AOL.COM
Subject: Macbeth + 4AD Catalogue Answers


Actually, I think I have answers to some of the questions a few people have
had lately.



4AD UK is creating a new update of the Mail Order Catalogue. I had called
them asking about the v23 Deluxe Book and their ``subscription`` service and
was told ``the art department is working on an update to the catalogue that
was sent out last year``. The subscription service doesn`t officially start
until the beginning of 1996. So I was told.

Macbeth is a Gordon Sharp (Cindytalk) project. He originally agreed to sing
the song for Ivo on TMC`s Blood and went into the studio to record for two
days and ended up in a big disagreement about the way it was being
approached. Later, Volume wanted a new Cindytalk track for their comp, but
Gordon didn`t have anything new at the time except the then-unreleased
Wappinschaw album. He didn`t want to split anything off of that, so he
pitched the idea of Help Me Lift You Up because he was so taken with the song
and Mary Margaret O`Hare. They and Robin Guthrie agreed to donate the money
and studio time to record it. Nothing else has been done under the name
Macbeth. But in the future Gordon plans to do either covers of songs or
traditional Scottish songs under the name Macbeth. Some of the other side
projects of Gordon`s have been The Freeze (pre-Cindytalk from the late-70`s,
I have two 7-inch`s), Lucinder (the name the band uses when they want to do a
live show but not under the name Cindytalk), and Bambule (Gordon`s
industrial-acid electronic project going on right now). Nothing by Bambule
has been released, but Praxis in London have expressed interest and a few
singles might be out in the next few months. This info comes from Gordon
himself (nice guy that he is).

..................Paul

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 22:38:03 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: another exile outed


>>I fucking LOVE Achtung Baby. All you naysayers can suck on my Metallica
>>collection. :p
>>
>>
>>e

could one of you all-knowing, non-AOLer's tell this Stoopid-AOLer when U2
signed to 4AD???

I publicly apologize for my dribble on how the Cocteaux were so much superior
to Seefeel.  What I should have said was that anyone who could compare
Seefeel (an ambient band) with the Cocteax (thislisty) has got to be bonkers
(see below).  Even my local record store has the sense to keep the 2 in
entirely different categories.  It's like comparing funk with punk.

}}Yes, fellow listies, do not compare Seefeel and the Cocteau Twins:
}}Seefeel is easier far better than CT could ever hope to be.
}} Come Alive =  one of the best songs ever?


then again, just a dumb AOLer's opinion.

-Blue


Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:19:50 -0600
From: John Roseborough (jrose@AUSTIN.METROWERKS.COM)
Subject: Re: Seefeel


>can anyone tell me about seefeel? what are they like?

This was covered on 4AD-L last month.  Here are those posts, because I'm
too busy to write my own description of them.  For interviews, sounds, pix,
discog and more, check out Hyperreal's web pages:


snail mail:
seefeel information
p.o. box 1944
london nm 10 5pj

My vote: I like 'em, especially the Pure, Impure EP.  I think I'm the only
person in the world that was not impressed with their latest release
"Succour".

John

_____________________________________________________________________________

Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:30:18 EDT
From: Lawren Wu (lcwu@MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: seefeel newbie question



Seefeel's "Quique" is their latest album and can be found on the Astralwerks
label.  Although the band is guitar-based, the overall sound is ambient techno.
The guitars don't sound like traditional guitar, and the overall feel could just
as easily be generated from several layers of synth.  Overall, it sounds
like there are several layers being looped over and over at a pretty
mellow pace.  When there is singing, it's not in the traditional song lyrics
sense.  The voice is used as kind of another "instrument" sound, added into the
layers.  It all comes together quite nicely, is rather soothing and pretty.
Some people think the songs drag on, though.  I guess it depends on what
you're used to.

Lawren
lcwu@mit.edu

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:03:34 -0700
From: Ernest Lopez (elopez@SCF.USC.EDU)
Subject: What Seefeel sounds like...


I really cannot say that Seefeel sounds like techno at all on Quique.  Techno
has energy, whereas this album is languid and dazed and quite undancebly slow.
It has some good qualities, but trust me, it is too repetitive and I feel
does not live up to the hype.  that is my 2 pesos worth.

elopez@scf.usc.edu


_____________________________________________________________________
john roseborough                jrose@metrowerks.com

     A belief in hell and the knowledge that every ambition is doomed
     to frustration at the hands of a skeleton have never prevented
     the majority of human beings from behaving as though death were
     no more than an unfounded rumour.

         Aldous Huxley (1894-1963)
         British author
         Themes and Variations, "Variations on a Baroque Tomb" (1950)

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 23:32:09 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Are these taking the piss?


Andie added:

>Are these people taking the piss, have they just joined in the last two
>minutes,

No, probably five minutes at least.  Remember not all of us are veterans.

>don't they bother to read their mail from this list,

Does anyone?  I mean unless it's about Spirea X or Cupol I usually delete it
w/out reading, so I can see where others might pass by the Macbeth and
Seefeel discussions.

>or are they
>just plain fucking stupid?

hmmm, yea probably.  Being righteous is sooo rewarding, and I'm glad *I*
don't ask questions this mundane.  (In reference to the Seefeel and Macbeth
inquiries)

>There's enough stuff about non-4AD bands to wade
>through, let alone bother to go over old groung hundreds of times...

I love old groung with a side of pinto beans (cold) and a cool Corona with
half a lime stuffed in it's slender neck.

Now, does anyone know of this sampler called "...think I'm getting the hang
of it?"  I believe they're giving it out at the Body Corps or some place like
that.

>
>Now I wonder..... do Seefeel sound like the Cocteau Twins....?

Exactly alike, I wish they would collaborate on an e.p. or something.

>                  have Macbeth done an album.....?

Four of them and a box set of live material.

Jason

srilank@aol.com
srilank@chagrin.eidna.gov

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 21:20:05 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: suggestions?


  Hi all.  I was wondering if y'all could help me out.  I was wondering
if you could give me some musical direction.  I'm looking for some good
dreampop nad have been a little disappointed in some buys recently.  I am
a huge MBV and lovesliescrushing fan, and a huge fan of Medicine and
Seefeel and FSA.  Recently I got the Outdoor Miner ep from FSA and loved
it.  I just got MBV's YMMR, and it's pretty good too, although I think
it's a little derivative from Isn't Anything.  And I got shiFt's cd-ep
recently, which I can't say enough about.  Brilliant, brilliant,
brilliant.  I also listened to some Bowery Electric and Labradford
recently, and liked them well enough, but held off.  ANd I've picked up
Half-String's "Tripped Up Breathing", and well, it's okay.  Kinda
janglily but not teh full tilt noise, grind I like to hear.  Alison's
Halo also fell into this category.  I liked it, but it wsn't (IMHO)
spectacular.  Not enough noise.  So does anyone have any suggestions in
this vein?  Something like
MBV,FSA,Seefeel,Medicine,shiFt,lovesliescrushing?
  Any particular bands I should check out?  Thanks in advance!
  P.S. Get shiFt!

******************************************************************************

                                   A.I.D.S.
              We are all infected because we are all affected.........

                                  *********
                     Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. soon@unm.edu
  MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
******************************************************************************

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 21:10:53 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: shiFt!


  Hello everyone.  Just dropping in to tell y'all about the best damn
record I've got in a long time.  It's shiFt's "A folding Sieve".  It is
incredible.  Marc, the head guy in the band, sent it to me as a b-side to
a dub of mbv's Ecstasy and wine.  I have been doint nothing but rewinding
and playing that side of the tape with shiFt on it.  Forget Ride, forget
lush or anything else.  If you like MBV, this is a must-have for your
collection.  For me, it was like being in the desert, when it's really
hot, and you can see the waves of arid heat ascending from the ground.
ANd then I ran across the soil, disturbing the patterns of air.  The air
swirled around and a dustdevil rose up behind me, a great twisting mass
of air and noise and vibration eating everything up in it's path.  It is
quite an incredible experience.  shiFt's music is just like this.
Grinding guitars mashing over a humming synth in perfect accompaniment.
I would look for shiFt to become the next big thing.  Get this cd!  It is
available (you know a plug was coming, didn't you?) from:ND Records,
P.O.Box 4144, Austin Texas 78765 USA.  Get it!

******************************************************************************

                                   A.I.D.S.
              We are all infected because we are all affected.........

                                  *********
                     Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. soon@unm.edu
  MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
******************************************************************************

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:23:21 -0800
From: "Reality's email account" (mcclure@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: a bunch of stuff...


Hi folks... Reality here.  I've been lurking big-time for
the past several months (still had the old email address
for the list in my mail program!)  Busy. Busy. Busy. I'm
on the job market, got a dissertation to finish, experiments
to do, etc., etc.  But, hey, that's my problem.  A few notes
from recent postings:

1) The Lush Home Page is alive and well.  I've been too busy
to update it with current rumours and the new song (not to
mention the link someone sent me for song tabulatures), but
it's still a fun place (it gets enough "hits" per week!).
Check out:


2) The _fLUSH_ tape is a collection of rareities, b-sides,
and bootleg material I put together last year.  Right now
it's a limited edition of 20 (only 13 of which have been
printed) and don't even think of asking me for a copy.  It's
not for sale.  My second tape deck is broken.  I have to mail
out job applications next week. I haven't even mailed Emma
*her* two copies yet.  You get the picture.  Here's the track

fLUSH

Side 1

1) female hybrid - from 1988 demos
2) skin - from 1988 demos
3) truth or fiction - from 1988 demos
4) sunbathing - from 1988 demos
5) etheriel (demo) - from _donde esta los INSECTS_ compilation
6) second sight (demo) - from _donde esta los INSECTS_ compilation
7) unidentified song - possible early demo
8) de-luxe  (alternate single edit) - from a U.S. promo
9) chirpy chirpy cheep cheep [Middle of the Road cover] _Alvin Lives in Leeds_
10) And David Seaman Will Be Very Disappointed About That...-from Lillies flexi
11) hey hey helen [Abba cover] - from Peel session
12) leaves me cold - from Peel session
13) breeze - from Peel sessions
14) superblast! [remix]
15) outdoor miner [Wire cover] - from For Love e.p.
16) astronaut - from For Love e.p.
17) fallin' in love - from Black Spring e.p.
18) desire lines (demo) - from _13 Year Itch_ -

Side 2

1) stray (choirmaster mix) - Drum Club Remix
2) tinkerbell (demo) (3.16) - from _Volume 10_
3) starlust (live) (4.30) - from _in a field of their own_
4) sweetness & light (live) - London 1990, from _Lovers of Today_ boot
5) monochrome (live) - from Cabaret Metro
6) leaves me cold (live) - from Cabaret Metro
7) babytalk (live) - from _Live at St. Sebastian_ boot (2.1.90)
8) childcatcher (live) - from 1994 Black Sessions
9) de-luxe (live) - from 1994 Black Sessions
10) hypocrite (live) - from 1994 Black Sessions
11) cat's chorus (live) - from ICA 13yritch show
12) kiss chase (live) - from MTV
13) leave's me cold (live) - from ?? (Cord's tape)
14) stray (hole in the sky mix) (excerpt) - from Drum Club remixes

(I don't know why I just wrote that, now EVERYBODY'S gonna
wanna copy...)

3) There is no number 3.

4) I like scheer.  I found a copy of the "I Wish You Were
Dead" CDsingle in England in this summer and it has grown on
me.  Indie-rock with one element of seventies cock-rock thrown
going around these days, why is Scheer the only band to indulge
in this seventies signature sound?  I dunno, I think it's
moderately funny and self-mocking in a Breeders, Nomeansno,
Driptank (SD band) sorta way.

5) SanDiego Body Shops have the give away CD.

6) Is the Area stuff ever gonna be reissued on CD?

Is all. This is Reality signing off (for another 6 months?)


Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 20:29:52 -0800
From: Peter Perez (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Design for a living


At 06:46 PM 11/9/95 +0200, you wrote:
>...        also V23 artwork on non-4ad releases, those in europe
>...        check out Liquid's "Sweet Harmony" on XL, artwork by Paul
>...        McMenamin. anyone know of anymore?
>
>Chris Bigg did some artwork for 'Luxuria' and helped 'The Glee Club'
>
>There are a few David Sylvian sleeves (and a tour book) by mr. Oliver, who
>also designed the 'Rare On Air' compilations
>
>but there should be a few more out there...
>

v23 also did the artwork for the final psychedelic furs album 'world
outside', also kirsty maccoll's 'titanic days' lp.  oh, one more, felt's
'sunlight bathed the golden glow" single (23 envelope, actually).  also,
chris bigg did the art for the self titled "the moon seven times" lp.

peter


Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 01:33:32 EWT
From: soul whirling somewhere (BGMUTZA@CLUSTER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: suggestions?


>So does anyone have any suggestions in
>this vein?  Something like
>MBV,FSA,Seefeel,Medicine,shiFt,lovesliescrushing?
>  Any particular bands I should check out?  Thanks in advance!

how about sixteendeluxe or the swirlies?  perhaps a little poppier than, say,
lovesliescrushing or fsa, but i think sixteendeluxe's _backfeed magnetbabe_ is
plenty noisy and the swirlies' _blonder tongue audio baton_ is quite excellent
as well.  both put on excellent live shows as well!

brian


Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 02:00:05 -0500
From: Naomi M Glina (SuprSwirly@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: taking a piss;dumbAOLers;braindamage etc etc


MEAN PEOPLE SUCK

      I belong to this newsgroup because i *felt* that it was a forum in
which i could get and share information about a common interest in music that
i hoped others on this list shared.  If they cared so much about the music,
maybe they would HELP those who god-forbid missed something and clued them
in.  That would be doing something useful- instead of wasting the bandwidth
in attacking them.  I really didnt think the (atti)  'tude would affect this
group but its burrowed in.
     i will not elaborate too much more on how this really pisses me off, as
ryan and srilank have already done this briefly and more articulately (a
word?) than I could be at this hour.
     Maybe this is why i am very shy and chose not to post because i feel too
intimidated because I AM NOT an *expert* at everything about everything on
this list.  I just know what i like.
     By the way, i use AOL because it is faster for me to go through my
newsgroups than my univ. acct, and i have too much other shit to do than hang
on the net all day, reading bashings.

nomi

*************************************************
                       Naked Truth
"If by your actions and your art you cannot please everyone- please a few.
 To please everyone is bad"



                                                                   H.Schiller
*************************************************

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 02:08:26 EST
From: William Bill (bwilliam@FOGELSON.CSF.EDU)
Subject: Re: brenden perry/mojave/hnia


    I'm currently living in Santa Fe, and I sure don't remember
Mojave or HNIA coming through here recently. Not alot of places to
play here in town since Club Luna closed shortly after CT played there
in April '94.
    brian..
    bwilliam@fogelson.csf.ed

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 02:48:26 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Are these taking the piss?


>>Are these people taking the piss, have they just joined in the last two
>>minutes, or are they just plain fucking stupid?

        Perhaps a little tact would go a long way.

>>Now I wonder..... do Seefeel sound like the Cocteau Twins....?
>
>Exactly alike, I wish they would collaborate on an e.p. or something.
>
>>                  have Macbeth done an album.....?
>
>Four of them and a box set of live material.

dualing sarcasm.  I love it!

-cz


Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 01:34:45 -0800
From: reicja00 (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Medicine Broke up?/dorky bands I like

              Beswick" at Nov 9, 95 10:11:02 am

> > 9.) Veruca Salt
> > 2.) Bow wow wow
> > 3.) Scheer
> > 5.) Cathrene Wheel
> > 6.) Belly "Star" (the good one)
> > 1.) Lush
>
> Huh???? Sorry, friend, but you are not alone... I like/love all of these
> bands!

As the meter ticks to five....

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 01:44:44 -0800
From: snowangel k-j (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Seefeel vs Cocteaus; & AOL haters (fwd)


> Everyone else: uns*bscr*b*
> immediately!!!  You are not worthy to be among us cool hip internet
> know-it-all elitists!

  :poke head out from under the bed:

  uh...but if people do that, i'll be all alone here... :pout:


  tee hee,
  k-j   ...not just a girly, but extraSpecial too..loved by li'l
        noise grasshoppers and other twee friends all over the 'net...

  asterisks are a courtesy to our friendly
  You Can't Write That To Listserv server...i
  didn't want it to freak out on me...

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:39:19 CET
From: "Gaveston, Gaveston, I'm hooked on you" (ADAMRADV@PLEARN.BITNET)
Subject: The Mirror Pool - a defence


Hello,

I am sorry to have purged my reader and be unable to find the name of the peopl
e who have made contributions about L.G.'s LP recently, not favourable at all.
I think it deserves some defence too.

I can remember Brendan describing in an interview from 1991 or 1992, how he and
Lisa give shape to DCD music, where he pointed out the fact that Lisa would
always bring 'feminity', which meant a lot of emotional and sensual response, w
hile he has always been percieved as the 'rational' and 'intellectual' half of
the group. I think this is a good model, even if not completely satisfactory, t
o describe the phenomenon. Now we have both elements split (at least musically)
one can see it clearly.

Lisa finally got rid of all the DCD limitations, which resulted from the band's
image and their fans' expectations. This setting up borders to what can be pres
ented to general public has become really annoying with their two last LPs, esp
ecially since the US promotion. I had a feeling of self-censorship, and especia
lly in Lisa's parts. People used to get extatic during concerts on Cantara perf
ormance, but a series of chants has always had to be intterrupted by something
that would keep the audience awake.

So we have got now PURE Lisa, without Brendans philosophic subtleties and moral
indications. Some may well find it boring, she's much more monotonous in style,
 or 'ambience' as you prefer. Some may also find it too harsh and boring, but t
hen, remember, she hasn't a work just by herself since 'It'll End in Tears' (at
 least I have no info about it), and I do not know if any of them have ever wor
ked with a bigger orchestra. So she also has to learn to handle things, even
if she spent 100 hours in front of her computer.

I don't want to say the LP is marvellous. No, some pieces sound like earlier
ideas re-worked (the last one - almost "The summoning of the Muse" with a diffe
rent sampler!), some seem hasty improvisations, finally her Haendel cover is
something I skip every time I listen to the record. But there is a lot of
beautiful poetry in it, a lot of dreaming and also some of this primordial
energy she is able to recreate like nobody else. "Glorafin" (or "Gloradin", I c
an never remember that, the one with the pulsing rythm) I find extremely moving
even more than "Cantara" I think, because it's so simple and yet so intensive
it's hard not to dance to it weirdly.

Put in this way, the record IS successful, because if we think what Lisa was in
Dead Can Dance and what she woud be able to present as herself, it's just "The
Mirror Pool". Actually TMP IS unpretentious, as she does not pretend to be
another person. She does what she has always been doing, she has just more free
dom and no obligation to appeal to rock-oriented fans who then put on Lush or s
omething on their CD and say, hell, that's the groove.

So, I am satisfied, I got what I wanted since 1984, and I hope the next release
s will be better, maybe made with more reflection and technical mastery. But ac
tually what I want from Lisa and what she seems to give graciously is her voice
and her drowned world.

Sorry if that was as long and boring as the mirror pool.

Adam Olszewski
adamradv@plearn.edu.pl

PS. Now, one thing I got really exctited about was the point of her 'cruel and
bitchy' character. Whoever knows more about, please share this spicey details!


Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:54:00 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: sacred?

              <199511091940.NAA16294@great-gray.owlnet.rice.edu>

John Nguyen Van wrote:

> you sad git

Yeah, you're right.  I am a bit miserable at the moment.  I hate these dark
mornings closing in and the weather's pretty dodgy.  Only six more months
till Summer comes again so chin up, eh?

Simon Hughes

P.S.  John's comments seem to be in response to something that Jens wrote.
I wonder what it was.  My money says it was the thing about "Love Will Tear
Us Apart" having cheesy synths.  I think Joy Division's "LWTUA" is a
brilliant song; in fact it used to be my all-time fave song.  But when Jens
said it had cheesy synths I kinda thought "He's right!  But who cares, I
love it anyway".

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:32:27 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Untitled Soundtracks


einexile the meek  wrote:
>
> On Thu, 9 Nov 1995, Andrew Norman wrote:
>
> > Why does Eno hang around with
> > these people?  His solo recordings are wonderful, but he doesn't half
> > pick some dodgy people to collaborate with (Slowdive and Harold Budd
> > excepted, of course).
>
> Some of his solo work is really rotten, actually. Have you neard Nerve
> Net, by any chance? :)

The songs I have heard from it (and the My Squelchy Life aborted album
which some of it came from) are a pretty good definition of "rotten".
But 90% of the solo Eno that I have heard (5 or 6 albums and both the
box sets) is stunning.  I used to like U2 in their early days, but never
enough to actually buy anything by them - I think they are a bit like
the Doors, I thought they were the bee's knees when I was 18 but now I
can see a bit more clearly.

> And since no one has asked this in at least a week, whatever happened to
> Slowdive's soundtrack work.

Yeah!  Re-activate the TAD series and put it out as a mid-price digipak
temporary release please Ivo.  I can't see Creation putting it out.

> Is there a track listing available for the Disjecta album yet?

?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ? according to the Warp website.  Whether that
means none of the tracks have names, or they aren't known yet, I don't
know.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 10/11/95
On my walkman this morning : Pulp - Different Class
Retreating, to the breath


Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 06:42:55 -0500
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: dorky bands some people like


>>9.) Veruca Salt
>
>It seems the official Veruca Salt closet fan-o-meter now reads 4...

Yeah, but it still doesn't make them any good.

>>1.) Lush
>
>I don't think Lush could be considered a dorky band on 4AD-L.  That would be
>heresy or something.

Maybe not dorky, but certainly irritatingly mediocre and complacent sometimes.

>>5.) Cathrene Wheel

Catch them now, on tour with...Candlebox

Larry


Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 05:10:47 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: TMC sample in WFO?


You wrote:
>
>e writes:
>>I'm talking about the first track on Excusions in Ambience: The
Second
>>Orbit, "No One in the World" by WFO. Is this a This Mortal Coil
sample
>>here? It souns like one but I can't place the source. The lyric, for
the
love

it's funny that last night i was listening to the Chemical Brothers-
Exit Planet Dust, there was a song called "song to the sirens" but even
better there was (what i am pretty sure) a DCD vocal loop, of course it
was severely played with, it is still Lisa, i haven't had time to
listen through my DCD cds yet to figure out which one but i know the
line.


                                    -robert.

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 07:23:52 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Woof!!!!


> Oh yeah here are the dorky bands I mentioned that nobody
> else here likes but me:

[...]

> 2.) Bow wow wow

[...]

What was her name again?  I keep thinking something like "anastasia" or
"Anabel" but I can't quite seem to remember.


marvynHortman                  ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 07:53:36 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: That last bit


Jason Phillips wrote:

>  Not many people are into this type music in Houston


Hey!   Get 'im Lisa!



marvynHortman                ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us


Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 07:41:52 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: The Starlashwishes are So In Your Head? This Mortal Coil,

              Vol. IV?

> ae #1 - LUCID's "Baby Labyrinthian"

> ae #2 - After the Flood

Ok, I waited to hear feedback; and having heard none so far, I was wondering
if anyone could offer an opinion on either of the two above.  I heard the
commercial; but I'd like additional opinions (e? anyone?) before I decide
whether or not to get either of these.

thanks,


marvynHortman                   ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:20:18 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Eliteists!!!


e, you mean sob.  Now go and personally apologize to all 2.5 million AOL users
and maybe, *just* maybe you won't get a phone call in the middle of the night
from Steve Case.  Better yet, make an appearance in the MEN4MEN or
WOMEN4ANIMALS or HERMAPHRODITES4SELFMUTILATION chat rooms and tell all the
intelligent AOLer masses gathered within how sorry you are that you
stereotyped them.



marvynHortman                  ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us


Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:55:26 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Seefeel vs Cocteaus; & AOL haters

              

Ryan,
     On the 4AD list, you wrote:

>First of all, einexile, BluBel's "misspelled namesake" is not a
>misspelling, but rather an abbreviation for a username.  Duh!!!  You should
>know that.  Secondly, the Cocteaus' use of drugs has nothing at all to do
>with this issue being discussed of whether or not Seefeel is better than
>the Cocteaus.
>
>But what really is frightening about einexile's reply is that "Dumb AOLer"
>part. [much deleted]

Bravo!

Simon Hughes

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:50:38 -0400
From: rebecca fagan (rfagan@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: mistle thrush


>while in DC yesterday i picked up the latest issue of VEER a music newspaper
>from virginia. they had a long interview with mistle thrush and some pics.
>anyone interested in a copy of the article?  email me. by the way mistle
>thrush and lycia are playing here in pittsburgh this weekend
>
>ts - dcd scribe
>
>"now that winter's drawing close the days are getting older"

Mistle Thrush will be playing

Friday
November 10
in Youngstown Ohio
with Sky King


Saturday
November 11
in Pittsburgh PA
with Lycia


i'm not sure of the venues, but you should be able to check your local
listings to find out.

rebecca fagan: rfagan@tiac.net

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:34:43 +0100
From: Gerrit Heirbaut (Heirbaut_Gerrit/softcell@SOFTCELL.BE)
Subject: Re: Woof!!!!


--openmail-part-004ef1a1-00000001

'Annabel' was close; but I think that's something like 'Annabella Lu Win'.
----------
From: 4AD-L; hortman.m
Subject: Woof!!!!

Date: Friday, 10 November, 1995 12:23 ------- > Oh yeah here are the dorky bands I mentioned that nobody > else here likes but me: [...] > 2.) Bow wow wow [...] What was her name again? I keep thinking something like "anastasia" or "Anabel" but I can't quite seem to remember. marvynHortman ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us --openmail-part-004ef1a1-00000001 eJ8+IgAAAQuAAQArAAAANjQ1MjIzMDcxMDExMTk5NS9BMDEwODcvQURNSU4vMTE5QjUxRDcy QzAwAAIJ --openmail-part-004ef1a1-00000001--

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:42:49 CST
From: thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM
Subject: Re: shiFt!


> It's shiFt's "A folding Sieve".  It is
> incredible.  Marc, the head guy in the band, sent it to me as a b-side to
> a dub of mbv's Ecstasy and wine.
> ...
> from:ND Records, P.O.Box 4144, Austin Texas 78765 USA.  Get it!

I'm going to echo Will's recommendation for this album. It is
quite good, and N D records is one of the best labels in Austin.
Other things they have released are:
2 excellent CDs by PBK, CDs from Factory Press, Maeror Tri, Brume,
et. al.
I wouldn't recommmend the Vidna Obmna CD "Ending Mirage", but then
I find all of his work to be horribly boring.

Also, anyone who visits Austin *must* drop by thirty-three degrees,
the record store run by Dan from N D.

later on,
Thad
"This isn't death, this is just a textural event"


Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:18:10 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: astrobite?


  Could somebody repost the ordering information for astrobite's tape?  I
know it was posted a few eeks ago, but I deleted the info and forgot
where I wrote it down.......

******************************************************************************

                                   A.I.D.S.
              We are all infected because we are all affected.........

                                  *********
                     Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. soon@unm.edu
  MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
******************************************************************************

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:06:48 -0400
From: EZ (st953km8@DUNX1.OCS.DREXEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Erm...Pixies studio recordings et al


>>I guess a few Pixies fans might still be lurking around on the list
>
>ME ME ME!!!!!!! I own Rough Dimonds already, it's amazing, especially Born
>in Chicago, good stuff! Also check out Give Me Extasy Half of it is studio
>demos of Doolittle, and the other half is a live show, decent quality for
>the live show, excellent studio sound (go figure)
is this easy to come by? sounds great. what label?

-eric z

"if love were easy, life would be too simple"
-Camus


Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:13:51 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: "El Schlongo" or "Don Quixote"


>Phil
>
>P.S.  They aren't my faves. Do I have to suck "El Schlongo" ?


Sorry, Phil.  You know the rules.

Jake

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:29:43 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Shelleyan Orphan


Well, after years of searching, I finally found a copy of Shelleyan Orphan's
first album, _Helleborine_.  The copy I am getting is on vinyl, and I was
wondering if anyone knew if there was ever a cd version put out.  Also, did
they put out any singles or anything?  I have their other two albums, a
promo cd, all the stuff from TMC, and a 7" I stumbled across once.  Does
anyone know if they put out anything else?

Jake

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:13:28 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Re: AOL & DAMN Proud of It!


>-The Blue Bell's Knoll
>blubelknol@aol.com  <---------AND DAMN PROUD OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Forgive me, I know this is unrelated to the subject matter of this mailing
list, but I couldn't help wondering...WHY THE HELL WOULD ANYONE BE PROUD TO
BE ON AOL!

I don't know where you live and what your local internet providers offer or
what their rates are, but I would wager that it is more economical than
AOL. If I'm not mistaken, AOL costs $9.95 per month and you only get 5
hours of online time. Anything beyond that is billed at $2.95 an hour. (I
could go on and talk about how AOL tries to censor what their subscribers
can see on the net or how 144 is the FASTEST connnection you can usually
hope for, but I'll stick to berating you for purely economical reasons.)

Where I live, most local providers charge about $20 a month for an
uncensored SLIP or PPP connection with unlimited connect hours. I'm no
mathematical genius, but it doesn't take one to figure out that you get
more "bang for your buck" by using someone other than AOL. But, hey...
maybe you're "DAMN PROUD OF IT" because you've got money to burn and you
like having AOL decide what is and is not appropriate for you to have
access to????

    Barnaby


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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 11:41:33 -0500
From: "jason du chassis.uwaterloo.ca" (jjvenkit@SCIBORG.UWATERLOO.CA)
Subject: Re: astrobite?


it's out on lullaby records...that is label run/owned by lovesliescrushing.
write to them at
1316 jerome, lansing michigan, 48912, usa
with a SASE...
or email for more info to: prinzand@pilot.msu.edu
that's scott prinz's address

Uncertain fortune is thoroughly mastered by the equity of the calculation.
- Blaise Pascal


On Fri, 10 Nov 1995, mesocyclone wrote:

>
>   Could somebody repost the ordering information for astrobite's tape?  I
> know it was posted a few eeks ago, but I deleted the info and forgot
> where I wrote it down.......
>
> ******************************************************************************
>
>                                    A.I.D.S.
>               We are all infected because we are all affected.........
>
>                                   *********
>                      Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. soon@unm.edu
>   MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
> ******************************************************************************
>
>
>


Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 11:10:05 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Insides


I recently got Euphoria by the Insides. It's pretty cool stuff right there. I
was wondering if they have any other recordings? Anyone know?

NB

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:49:36 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: dorky bands some people like


On Fri, 10 Nov 1995, Larry Koch wrote:

>
> >>1.) Lush
> >
>
> Maybe not dorky, but certainly irritatingly mediocre and complacent sometimes.

I love reading stuff like this.  When a band that is the embodiment of
mediocre, Red House Painters, leaves the label, it is decried by some as
one of the worst things to EVER happen to 4AD... I'm just thinking,
HELLO?? Can Mark take a singing lesson or two?  PLEASE?

Lush is FAR from mediocre, and definitely NOT irritating.

>
> >>5.) Cathrene Wheel
>
> Catch them now, on tour with...Candlebox
>

I did catch them... last night...their last night with Belly.  Jewel
opened...whatever.  Catherine Wheel came out and announced that the
drummer wasn't there because his brand new baby girl that was born last
weekend just died Wednesday morning.  They did an acoustic set, which was
quite nice.  They did rock out for Here Comes the Pain, with Chris Gorman
from Belly on drums... but the annoying keyboard tape they played in the
background really grated.  Belly rocked, of course.  I've never seen
someone have as much fun on stage as Gail... yeah.  Angry Catholic School
Grrrls still kick ass sometimes.

Strick9

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:50:18 -0600
From: "Kendal..." (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan *plus*

              Nov 10, 95 10:29:43 am

     I also have Helleborine on vinyl, and a friend of mine actually
has a CD of the self-same LP, so yes, it does exist...
                                *Kendal*



>
> Well, after years of searching, I finally found a copy of Shelleyan Orphan's
> first album, _Helleborine_.  The copy I am getting is on vinyl, and I was
> wondering if anyone knew if there was ever a cd version put out.  Also, did
> they put out any singles or anything?  I have their other two albums, a
> promo cd, all the stuff from TMC, and a 7" I stumbled across once.  Does
> anyone know if they put out anything else?
>
> Jake
>


Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 11:27:38 -0800
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Swirlies review (long overdue)


I've been meaning to review the Swirlies show from
two weeks ago, so here goes. It was everything I expected
it to be, and more, even though there's only half the
original band left-- Seana's gone on to Syrup, and who
knows where the drummer went to. But it didn't matter.
The new drummer's playing was identical to the former,
and the new girl does a good Seana. They played many of the
favorites from Blonder Tongue Audio Baton (Bell, Jeremy
Parker, others [it's been two weeks]) and What To Do About
Them (Tall Ships, Upstairs) plus a bunch of new songs
that keep along the same general lines as BTAB, so
any worries about them slipping downhill are unfounded.
It's good to see that a band has decided to be CONSISTENT
for a change, rather than alienating their whole fan base.
Change is over-rated. Anyway, the crowd was really small,
due in part probably to
the mixup/show cancellation the previous night. Maybe
about 20 people total (with notable absences by kelli-jeane
and jOHN). Despite someone shouting "Pancake" after every
song, that one wasn't played. Too bad more people didn't show--
is the LA chapter of this list just plain dead, or what?
Where is everybody?

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:49:54 EWT
From: soul whirling somewhere (BGMUTZA@CLUSTER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan


>Shatter
>Dead Cat
>maybe some others? (anyone? feel free to chime in at any time)

i seem to remember seeing a video for 'burst' on 120 minutes... i think it was
a few years ago, probably when dave kendall was still around as host.
unfortunately, i can't remember anything about it...

brian

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:30:38 -0800
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan


Helleborine WAS released on CD in both the UK
(rough trade) and the US (Columbia) with
different track orders between them, and a different
version of "Anatomy Of Love" on each. There are other
very subtle differences which I haven't fully documented yet.

As I seem to end up reporting every 6 months or so,
the US/UK versions of Century Flower were similarly
different with two different versions of
"Between Two Waves", but the same track order. Also
the UK vinyl plays at 45 rpm, but I seem to remember
the speed being ever so slightly off.

As for EPs, I know of the following:
Cavalry Of Cloud 12"
Anatomy of Love 12" (I need this one. Anyone, anyone?)
Shatter 12"

All of these have non-album tracks. I don't know about
any 7" or CD-EP releases. "Dead Cat" was supposedly the
single from Humroot, but I don't know if it was ever
released as such. There is a pre-release tape of Humroot
with a very subtly different version of "Dead Cat" which
was remixed for the album.

Shatter
Dead Cat
maybe some others? (anyone? feel free to chime in at any time)

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:46:05 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan


On Fri, 10 Nov 1995, Jake Reichert wrote:

> wondering if anyone knew if there was ever a cd version put out.  Also, did
> they put out any singles or anything?  I have their other two albums, a


Helleborine was only released on vinyl, I believe.

There is a single for Cavalry of Clouds that my friend picked up for .99
and gave to me.  What a nice fella.

Strick9

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 16:39:25 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan


>>Shatter
>>Dead Cat
>>maybe some others? (anyone? feel free to chime in at any time)
>
>i seem to remember seeing a video for 'burst' on 120 minutes... i think it was
>a few years ago, probably when dave kendall was still around as host.
>unfortunately, i can't remember anything about it...
>
>brian

Was that the one where Caroline is lying in the stream like the Millais
painting Ophelia?  I only saw it once but that was great.

-cz

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:47:23 -0500
From: KH1@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: suggestions?


you might want to check out the new mojave 3.  also check out the new
chemical brothers track called 'one too many mornings' -- it samples some
swallow.  as far as full length albums, you might want to check out ride's
nowhere.  also check out the new jane siberry.

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:45:58 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan


>Well, after years of searching, I finally found a copy of Shelleyan Orphan's
>first album, _Helleborine_.  The copy I am getting is on vinyl, and I was
>wondering if anyone knew if there was ever a cd version put out.

Yes, it's on CD.  After years of having the vinyl and searching for the CD i
finally found it last year at a used CD store.

>Also, did they put out any singles or anything?  I have their other two
albums, a
>promo cd, all the stuff from TMC, and a 7" I stumbled across once.  Does
>anyone know if they put out anything else?

        They have several neat 12"'s, none of which i have.  My college room
mate had several 12"'s back in 1990 and i remember them having non-album
tracks and dramatically re-worked album tracks too.  I remember some poem
put to music as one of the non-album tracks--it was neat.  I remember that
...southern bess, a field holler... song being released as a single way back
when i didn't even have a record player yet (1985 or so).
        Maybe Brant has more info.

Good luck finding them and let me know if you do find those 12"'s.

-cz

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:27:56 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Are these taking the piss?


You wrote:
>
>>Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Macbeth's album????
>>        appreciate any inf,
>>bahman
>
>                          &
>
>>can anyone tell me about seefeel?what are they like?
>
>Are these people taking the piss, have they just joined in the last
two
>minutes, don't they bother to read their mail from this list, or are
they
>just plain fucking stupid? There's enough stuff about non-4AD bands to
wade
>through, let alone bother to go over old groung hundreds of times...
>
>Now I wonder..... do Seefeel sound like the Cocteau Twins....?
>                  have Macbeth done an album.....?
>
>Dahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
>
>Andie
>
people join lists everyday, and invariabley they will ask the questions
that we dare to ask when we first joined.  so chill and be tade more
understanding cause you too were in their shows...

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:27:43 -0800
From: Peter Perez (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Woof!!!!


At 07:23 AM 11/10/95 -0500, you wrote:
>> Oh yeah here are the dorky bands I mentioned that nobody
>> else here likes but me:
>
>[...]
>
>> 2.) Bow wow wow
>
>[...]
>
>What was her name again?  I keep thinking something like "anastasia" or
>"Anabel" but I can't quite seem to remember.
>
>
Her name is Annabella Luwin (sp? I'm too lazy to go to my "See Jungle..."
album)...so there are multiple 4ad/Bow
Wow Wow fans, what an incredible world this is...I wish I could come up with
a 4ad/Bow Wow Wow connection, but I
can't.

>marvynHortman                  ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us
>
>


Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:27:45 -0800
From: Peter Perez (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Woof!!!!


At 07:23 AM 11/10/95 -0500, you wrote:
>> Oh yeah here are the dorky bands I mentioned that nobody
>> else here likes but me:
>
>[...]
>
>> 2.) Bow wow wow
>
>[...]
>
>What was her name again?  I keep thinking something like "anastasia" or
>"Anabel" but I can't quite seem to remember.
>
>
Her name is Annabella Luwin (sp? too lazy to go to my "See Jungle..." album
to check)...wish I could find some
4ad/Bow Wow Wow connection, but I cannot...there are more than 4 Bow Wow Wow
fans after all.
>marvynHortman                  ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us
>
>

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:36:39 -0800
From: Peter Perez (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan


At 10:29 AM 11/10/95 -0800, you wrote:
>Well, after years of searching, I finally found a copy of Shelleyan Orphan's
>first album, _Helleborine_.  The copy I am getting is on vinyl, and I was
>wondering if anyone knew if there was ever a cd version put out.

I have "Helleborine" on cd--I bought it on cassette after "Century Flower"
was released,
and then while visiting my mother in Miami I found the cd (domestic US
release on Columbia/Rough Trade) as a cut-out for about $5.00!!! That was
about 3 years ago...so start skewering through those cut-out bins in strange
parts of the country.  Also: the cd comes with the lyrics! I also have the
"Waking Up" promo--do you have that one?

 Also, did
>they put out any singles or anything?  I have their other two albums, a
>promo cd, all the stuff from TMC, and a 7" I stumbled across once.  Does
>anyone know if they put out anything else?
>
>Jake
>
>

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:59:46 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: dorky bands some people like


> I love reading stuff like this.  When a band that is the embodiment of
> mediocre, Red House Painters, leaves the label, it is decried by some as
> one of the worst things to EVER happen to 4AD... I'm just thinking,
> HELLO?? Can Mark take a singing lesson or two?  PLEASE?

        I'll give y'all the short version of my reaction to this:
register emphatic disagreement.
        How much (or little) Red House Painters have you listened to, you
lone anti-RHP crusader, you?

________________________________________________________________________
= "The kids of today should defend ) "So we're complicated, so what?"  =
= themselves against the 70's!"    (  - His Name Is Alive, "Why People =
=  - Mike Watt                     )    Disappear"                     =
========================================================================
= "If life is a performance, and I am not an actor, am I supposed to   =
= lay down and die?" - Juliana Hatfield                                =
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 16:27:21 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo Cassette thingees


while typing this up, i thought i might as well send an update to the list,
even though it hasn't been too long since they were posted.  don't ask me
about any of these, as i've only heard esp summer and pail saint, but i'm
sure k-j has nothing but good things to say about all of them, so here goes:

oh, and this mailer program doesn't have a way for me to save this to an out
box, so could one of you (at least) be a sweetie and hang onto this for when
the next person asks?  thanx ;)  here we go again:

Time Stereo:

28143 W. 8 mile rd
Livonia, MI 48152
Fax 810-473-9321


*= warren defaver (though i may have missed some!)

Tapes ($5 each):

Noise Camp:  real kids, noise, camp
Noise Camp Remix:  noise, drum machine, kids
Grape Rave:  electronic noise and science
Time Remixes:  fast sounds in noise style
ESP Beetles:  tapes of sound*
ESP Family:  Communist Miner folk songs 1930*
ESP Summer:  summer sound with ian and warn*
Time Piano:  avant garde piano, abstract style
Time Sombrero:  one man from minnesota plays at the same time
Pail Saint:  sound from loops and sound (ian masters)
Dragon God:  god bullies and princess dragon-mom "broken time"*
Dragon God:  "more time" better than "broken time"*
Little Princess:  "forgot to remember" fast noise with rap sound
3/4 Time:  swing, polkas, and country 1951-1962 tapes
Live ESP:  esp beetles live freakout tapes edit*
Hearing Trumpet:  "sleepy lagoon" tapes, lp's noise
New Grape:  noise+girl+pop*
His Name is Alive:  mexico, live, etc. sound*
Beat Bandit:  little princess ambient home record*
War Machine:  live show free noise rock
Communist Guitar:  Warren's brother, recorded at factory
Electric Mud:  1968 psychedelic blues "bootleg"
Your Golden:  Little Princess fast noise, out of print

Cooper Time:  Alice Cooper tribute feat.  Saucer Family, ESP Beetles, D.
James, Little Princess, Grace Bros., the Impaler, United Friendly (Ian
Masters), and many more!  C-90!!  Includes rare interview with A.C.!!

Also available:

Majic Impossible:  Movie featuring princess dragon-mom.  starring mike hard,
the impaler, amazing victor, lx, collin, and more (ntsc only) $8


Tee's (size=xl) $10


Ultraman Coloring Book and Scenes from Amish Life (special book fair ed.) $5
Puppet Time by MOG $4
The Whale that Became a Star by Warn $4
Little Princess Activity Book by DAVN $4

coming soon:  "wrestle time" video and Noise Camp '95 cass.

all items ppd in the USA.

also for sale:

ESP Summer 10" on farrago $8 (though it's $6.50 ppd from them)
Princess Dragon Mom Video Comp $10
No Credit Cassette by S. Van Gelder $5*

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:52:10 -0800
From: snowangel k-j (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Swirlies review (long overdue)


> the mixup/show cancellation the previous night. Maybe
> about 20 people total (with notable absences by kelli-jeane
> and jOHN). Despite someone shouting "Pancake" after every
> song, that one wasn't played. Too bad more people didn't show--
> is the LA chapter of this list just plain dead, or what?
> Where is everybody?

  we were there. jOHN hung with the band all night and some guy
  we met the night before who wound up giving us a ride to this
  particular show. i had a li'l too much to drink and was left to
  fend for myself at a table while some creep was pawing at me
  until i was finally sober enough stand and get out of the place.
  all i remember of the whole mess is the swirlies being loud,
  and the notable absence of a certain someone's help...



  k

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 16:05:52 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: dorky bands some people like


> Lush is FAR from mediocre, and definitely NOT irritating.

Only irritating if you consider the fact that they released the same
CD 3 times with different cover art...

Mike

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."


Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 00:36:08 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Good Lisa Gerrard interview on the web


Michael Franz has interviewed Lisa Gerrard and you can read it here:

        http://gaysource.com:80/gs/ht/nov95/gerrard.html

There is also a review of The Mirror Pool here:

        http://gaysource.com:80/gs/ht/oct95/mirrorpool.html


Original URL: http://www.gaysource.com/ (aesthetica section)


Here's a piece:

     GS: The video was beautiful. How involved were you in the
     selection of images used in the video?

     LG: I wasn't very involved at all. I spoke to Nigel [Grierson] on
     the phone and one thing that I really wanted to do with this
     project, because of the work that I've done with Brendan over the
     years where we've been so involved in everything and sometimes
     I've thought, well that's OK but I wonder whether we've stopped
     the true potential of this other person from coming into being. I
     really wanted to just let Nigel be. When we talked about the piece
     and he told me what it meant to him, I felt that this was the time
     to respect the work of the other man. He's very, very competent,
     and I was really happy with the result. It's wonderful.


Has anyone seen this video? I hope I can see it sometime...



     GS: I understand you and Brendan have began working on a new album?

     LG: We've been working for about seven months on a sort of
     transcendental...rhythm... It's absolutely a huge animal. I don't
     think even we know what to do with it at this stage. It's a very
     large work, very strong. There's also Brendan's solo project
     that's coming out.

     GS: Any idea when that's going to be out?

     LG: He's doing a little work on it right now. He might finish it
     before we get back together. It's practically finished. It's very,
     very beautiful, very powerful.

     GS: I read rumors in the French press that you two had almost
     broken up?

     LG: There's a sign on the wall in a shop where I live and it says,
     " Nothing much happens around here but the rumors make up for it."

     GS: So you generate the rumors to keep the intrigue going, right?

     LG: Maybe.

(Copyright 1995 GaySource, Inc.)


And there's a lot more to read. Good interview btw.





-
   Emiel Efdee
-
   efdee@luna.nl (the netherlands)
-
   http://www.luna.nl/~efdee
-

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:22:56 CST
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: Insides

              10, 95 11:10 am

>
> I recently got Euphoria by the Insides. It's pretty cool stuff right there. I
> was wondering if they have any other recordings? Anyone know?

There are two CDs available that I know of, when they were called
Earwig.  One is called Under My Skin I Am Laughing and the other
is a compilation of earlier stuff called Past.  UMSIAL is more
similar to Insides than Past, but Past is AWESOME.  It's one of
my top ten favorite CDs.  It is more scruffy than the other
recordings.  It's also hard to find.  Also, I think there is
an EP out with them as Insides and the last I heard, some reviewer
at Melody Maker or NME got a tape of two songs from them that he
loved.  They aren't on a label now and the reviewer swore that if
no one else released their stuff, he would.



kent
kjv@mti.cdc.com


Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 20:17:59 -0500
From: Neil James (Quixote4@AOL.COM)
Subject: (like me)


me)>>>>

(another hand slowly rises)

i am a graphic designer and my roommate is an art director.  we work at
separate agencies, who just happen to be competitors; makes for interesting
conversations at the dinner table...

in another vein Lawren Wu wrote:
<<<>>>

Actually, Seefeel's latest album is 'Succour' on Warp...no guitars to speak
of on this release...seems as though they have abandoned the quitar effects
for more of a technolike-ambient-dub sound.  Mark is working with Sarah's
singing in more interesting ways on this release (looping her voice into
blissful oblivion as on 'Ruby-Ha'), although her voice only appears on a
couple of songs.

neil


Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:07:06 -0800
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: a Shelleyan error


I my post, everywhere I mentioned the song "Dead Cat"
I meant to say "Burst". That was the single/video/
remixed song on Humroot.

That's what I get for doing this all from memory...

The video for Shatter is the "Ophilia" one. It's a truly wonderful
video! From our interview:

submerged in a very, very cold lake, and you have a wet suit on underneath your
dress which is really uncomfortable anyway,
and you have to put your head out of
the water, supporting it with your neck muscles so that you can
hear the backing
track to sing to- I mean I was in a terrible state at the end of that; they had
to get me whiskey and everything 'cause my teeth were chattering! It was good
fun, I mean it's like being tortured for a few hours, but it was good fun as
well.
they've got lots of
lakes and everything. I think the director just had a very...
 he was obsessed with Ophilia, that painting... do you know the painting?
That's really what he wanted to conjure up. I was a bit frustrated because
we'd been typed "pre-Raphaelite" blah, blah, blah., ever since we began, and at
the end of the day we ended up doing a Pre-Raphaelite video! [laughs] It was
really funny, they gave me this sort of antique dress, and I really didn't like
it, 'cause it came right up to the top of my neck and it was really
uncomfortable to wear, but as soon as I went into this lake, I was covered in
sludge and slime. I mean you probably can't see it in the video, but when I got
out of that lake, it looked like I had been collecting rubbish for a couple of
weeks. It was really funny! [laughs] ...not quite what they wanted, you know.

Some other tracks to look for:

"Ice" on the Columbia promo-only comp New Edge Music
"Suffer Dog" on The Liberator - Artists For Animals
some cover song on a tribute album, Lloyd Cole or Lou Reed,
   or someone (anyone?)
Caroline's on the Spiritualized song "The Slide Song"
   on Pure Phase

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:48:34 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Insides


>There are two CDs available that I know of, when they were called
>Earwig.  One is called Under My Skin I Am Laughing and the other
>is a compilation of earlier stuff called Past.  UMSIAL is more
>similar to Insides than Past, but Past is AWESOME.

I have a promo lp that I picked up for three bucks (!!) at a store a few
months ago.  One side is a shorter mix of clear skin, the other side is
another mix of it and a version of "Distractions" whick is quite different
from the album version.

Jake


Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 19:25:40 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: a Shelleyan error


Thanks to everyone for the good info on Shelleyan Orphan.  Now that I've
heard some responses, though, I was wondering if it's possible to get ahold
of any of those videos.  Also, does anyone know if they are still together,
or if they are planning on releasing anything in the future?

Thanks,
Jake

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 19:17:35 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: dorky bands some people like


>> I love reading stuff like this.  When a band that is the embodiment of
>> mediocre, Red House Painters, leaves the label, it is decried by some as
>> one of the worst things to EVER happen to 4AD... I'm just thinking,
>> HELLO?? Can Mark take a singing lesson or two?  PLEASE?
>
>        I'll give y'all the short version of my reaction to this:
>register emphatic disagreement.
>        How much (or little) Red House Painters have you listened to, you
>lone anti-RHP crusader, you?

Not that I know the guy well or anything, but my guess is quite a bit.  Just
because you don't like a group doesn't mean you haven't heard much by them.
I've heard quite a bit of Pearl Jam.  I still think they suck.  Your mileage
may vary.  In any case, it's okay for you to like them and for him not to
like them, but that doesn't imply any causality from the number of times
he's heard RHP.

Just a lil' note from
Jake

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:03:25 -0400
From: EZ (st953km8@DUNX1.OCS.DREXEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Eliteists!!!


>e, you mean sob.  Now go and personally apologize to all 2.5 million AOL users
>and maybe, *just* maybe you won't get a phone call in the middle of the night
>from Steve Case.  Better yet, make an appearance in the MEN4MEN or
>WOMEN4ANIMALS or HERMAPHRODITES4SELFMUTILATION chat rooms and tell all the
>intelligent AOLer masses gathered within how sorry you are that you
>stereotyped them.
>
>
>
>marvynHortman                  ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us
oh like irc is any better. there u got #wetsex, #netsex... it goes downhill
from there. i say we give the aol-ers one more chance. after all a lot of
us have done time over there. and i quite enjoyed it(well it was free for
me). sorry to waste time with this, hopefully this won't stoke a flame. and
in the first place its kind of a silly debate "so and so vs. so and so"
you're all entitled to an opinion. thats my 2cents.

-eric z

"if love were easy, life would be too simple"
-Camus


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