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Subject: Re: Cocteau / Seefeel
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 16:33:36 -0500
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Erm...Pixies studio recordings et al
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 13:45:47 +0000
From: Jon Kvebaek (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: What's wrong with synth-pop???????
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:07:45 +0100
From: snailhead (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: MacBeth?
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 16:41:14 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re. Brendan Perry
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 21:26:08 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: MacBeth?
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 12:03:40 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: RHP
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 01:53:39 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: St. Etienne
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:34:26 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Super 31 / Aberdeen
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 01:55:56 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 02:03:57 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Moira Lambert
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:33:47 +0100
From: Gerald Audenis (geralda@MECH.KTH.SE)
Subject: Saint Etienne/Joy Division covers/HNIA en Mexico
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 07:07:23 -0500
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: WWW Page?
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 07:42:47 -0800
From: "Blaine E. Thompson" (ui796@FREENET.VICTORIA.BC.CA)
Subject: Untitled Soundtracks
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:49:31 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Frank Black/EOST/V23
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:30:35 GMT
From: "Hugh O'Brien" (hugh@INTERNET-EIREANN.IE)
Subject: suddenly, tammy!
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 08:38:04 -0700
From: Steve Hatcher (Steve.Hatcher@USOE.K12.UT.US)
Subject: scheer
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:00:38 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Is 4AD a Style or Concept?
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:47:25 EST
From: Charles Kim (ST201432@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU)
Subject: Re: Re. Brendan Perry/Lisa
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:52:24 CST
From: Steven W Hill (shill@HARPER.CC.IL.US)
Subject: Re: Frank Black/mike watt
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:14:49 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Design for a living
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:46:26 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: the whole eno/u2 think
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:22:12 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Untitled Soundtracks
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:18:55 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: RHP
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:23:06 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: sacred?
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:40:07 -0600
From: John Nguyen Van (jvskip@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Vaughan and the Internet
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 19:20:06 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: 4ad samplers
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:37:42 -0500
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Hi!
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 15:19:50 GMT+5
From: WILDER GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: more info on Macbeth
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:39:00 PST
From: bahman (IZZYW5B@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: mistle thrush
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:39:21 -0500
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Medicine Broke up?/dorky bands I like
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:11:02 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Design for a living
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 17:39:07 -0500
From: "M. Christopher Jones" (mcjones@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU)
Subject: Are these taking the piss?
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:41:47 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: That last bit:
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:27:22 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Frank Black/mike watt
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:10:05 -0500
From: Simon Crowe (Crowe_Simon/furman@FURMAN.EDU)
Subject: Stoopid AOLers
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:43:21 -0500
From: KILLMESOON@AOL.COM
Subject: another exile outed
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:21:21 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: What Radio to Listen to in London?
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:29:07 PST
From: "Jim S. Thompson" (jimt@SUNFSE.ESE.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM)
Subject: No IFFY Zazou!
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 19:37:03 -0500
From: SortSol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Untitled Soundtracks
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:08:47 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Erm...Pixies studio recordings et al
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 17:18:01 -0600
From: Michael C Lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: "El Schlongo" or "Don Quixote"
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 19:35:26 -0500
From: KILLMESOON@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Amps & Autechre again
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:20:50 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: game4
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:21:15 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Medicine Broke up?/dorky bands I like
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:04:47 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Design for a living
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 19:35:11 -0500
From: KILLMESOON@AOL.COM
Subject: re. v23
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:37:55 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: the whole eno/u2 thing
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 15:31:14 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: That last bit:
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 00:19:14 +0000
From: "Jason L. Phillips" (gec95028@CENT1.LANCS.AC.UK)
Subject: Brain damage?
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:45:14 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: brenden perry/mojave/hnia
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:54:39 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: scheer
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:11:18 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Outside v/23 design
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 22:24:58 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 16:33:36 -0500
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau / Seefeel

              

can anyone tell me about seefeel?what are they like?


Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 13:45:47 +0000
From: Jon Kvebaek (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Erm...Pixies studio recordings et al


I guess a few Pixies fans might still be lurking around on the list
inbetween the Goth wannabe and Swans threads... Anyway, if you're there,
you might be interested in picking up (if you can find it) a bootleg
called "Rough Diamonds". It's "a collection of alternate & unreleased
studio recordings". It contains no less than 31 tracks, and the sound
quality is quite good (being studio recordings, it should be). Ok, here
it is:

1.  Hey                         Maida Vale, Studio 4, London 3/5/88
2.  Levitate me                                 "
3.  Wild honey pie                              "
4.  Caribou                                     "
5.  In Heaven                                   "
6.  Dead                        Hippodrome Studio, London 9/10/88
7.  Tame                                        "
8.  There Goes My Gun                           "
9.  Manta Ray                                   "
10. Down To The Well            Maida Vale Studio 3, London 16/4/89
11. Into The White                              "
12. Surf Of Mutilation                          "
13. Monkey Gone To Heaven       Maida Vale Studio 5, London 18/8/90
14. Alison                                      "
15. Wave Of Mutilation                          "
16. Ana                                         "
17. Palace Of The Brine         Maida Vale Studio 3, London 23/6/91
18. Letter To Memphis                           "
19. Motorway To Roswell                         "
20. Subbacultcha                                "
21. Build High                  Master Control Studio, Burbank 9/91
22. I Can't Forget                              "
23. Born In Chicago             Recording Co. Studio, Chicago 7/90
24. Velouria                    Portastudio demo, Los Angeles 6/90
25. Hang On To Your Ego                         "
26. Is She Weird                                "
27. Gigantic                    Blackwing Studio, London 2/5/88
28. River Euphrates                             "
29. Tame                        Fort Apache Studio. Boston 3/87
30. Down To The Well                            "
31. Rock-A-My-Soul                              "

The CD is released on Blue Moon Records (cat no. BMCD32).

According to Monkey gone to heaven, Joey Santiago's full name's Joey St.
Alberto Santiago. Thought you'd like to know...

And now for something completely different:
I just picked up suddenly, tammy! (we get there when we do) and I think
it's lovely. Is this their second album? How does it compare to their
other release(s)?

I also highly recommend Stereolab's 'Refried Ectoplasm [Switched on
Volume 2]. Saves you the trouble of trying to collect all those 7"s.

Umm...I'm listening to Godflesh right now - what about last years rumour
about the 4AD/Earache thing?  Tarnation/Godflesh could have been an
interesting constellation...with tubas thrown in of course.

Cheers,

Jon Kvebaek 

"Listen to us. We are serving the The Garden of Delights Immortality
Cosmic Conciousness The Best Ever In Drug Kicks. And love love love in
slop buckets. How does that sound to you boys?"
                                - William S. Burroughs, 'Nova Express'


Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:07:45 +0100
From: snailhead (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: What's wrong with synth-pop???????


On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, Jens Alfke wrote:

> ....the original, which had unbelievably
> cheesy synth-pop instrumentation. ...

Hey mate what's wrong with synthpop?
Nothing if you ask me.
I always thought New Order was way better than Joy Division (I only
like their "closer"-album in fact),just because of that synthy sound.
And I even like the pet shop boys
SYNTHPOP ROCKS!!!!!

guy

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 16:41:14 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: MacBeth?


On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, Nadim Baki-Zada wrote:

> Forgive my ignorance once more (somehow, I always feel like the dumbass who's
> missing out on something). But who is MacBeth? What have they done so far?

okay, this has already gone on at some length, but i'll try to finally
clear this up.  (warning: all my info may not be precise, perhaps howard
will correct me if he's still here)

macbeth was (is?) gordon sharp's (gordon is the vocalist for cindytalk)
'hushed' project.  quiet acoustic stuff aimed mostly at covering some of
gordon's favorite songs.  you may recall that gordon appeared on the
legendary TMC album _it'll end in tears_.  well, rumor has that he was
asked to sing _help me lift you up_ on _blood_, but it fell through
because ivo wanted gordon to sing like a "normal person" or some
such silliness.  anyway,
gordon couldn't resist covering the aformentioned song as it is one of
his favorites.  so, he recruited robin guthrie and they did the track for
the volume 5 comp.  in an interview i read over the summer gordon said
that he wants to do more with Macbeth, but i'm not sure it will ever
happen.  for one thing, gordon is poor.  and for another, i've
heard tell that he spends most of his time in danceclubs....:)
lastly, gordon is working on a techno project of his own at the moment.

ok, i'm done.  i promise.

        .xxx....mark.

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 21:26:08 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re. Brendan Perry


When I spoke to Vaughan the other week he said he didn't really like Lisa's
own work (think I posted something about that last week?), but that he
really liked Brendan's. I said that I had read on the Dead Can Dance web
site that 4AD had told Brendan that his album wasn't good enough for
release and that was why it had ben postponed/cancelled.

He didn't take this very well - it seems he (Vaughan) doesn't like the
Internet for various reasons (but that's another story I'll tell some other
time), and this just made himeven worse. Both he and Chris said that what
they had heard of Brendan's solo album was "nothing short of brilliant",
and that the reason why it hadn't been released was because it hadn't been
finished yet due to personal problems. He said everyone who had heard the
new songs were really taken by  them - so much so that they were
desperately trying to sort out the problems so that Brendan would go back
into the studio and finish off the album.

He couldn't say enough good stuff about the new songs, and added that it
would probably finally be out in the New Year.

Andie


Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 12:03:40 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: MacBeth?


Forgive my ignorance once more (somehow, I always feel like the dumbass who's
missing out on something). But who is MacBeth? What have they done so far?

NB

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 01:53:39 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: RHP

              at Nov 8, 95 06:08:45 pm

Well..here we (or I) am (or are)...

I'm curious to find out what sort of info you've got!

Rick


>
> All you Northern California RHP fans, come out, come out wherever you
> are....Eunice, I- see- you. Got some info. E-mail me.
>
> Elvia
>
> (elvia@uclink3.berkeley.edu)
>

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:34:26 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: St. Etienne


>
>There's a store in town that has another copy of Life if
>you can't find it.  Any decent store should be able to
>order it for you or try cdeurope.com

thank you. there is a store around here that gets good imports,
perhaps, i will check it out there. thank youfor the info.

                            -robert.


Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 01:55:56 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: Super 31 / Aberdeen

              at Nov 8, 95 11:46:37 am

Anyone who's going please tell Beth from Aberdeen that Rick from Dart
says hi...



>
> Kelly might have posted this here already:
>
> Thursday (tomorrow night) at 9pm
> Hell's Gate, Hollywood
> Super 31
> Aberdeen
> 8 Page Story
>
> Also, Jane Siberry is playing at the Wadsworth on Nov 13.
>
>
> |     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
> | Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
> | Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
> | http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
>

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 02:03:57 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: your mail

              95 06:37:15 pm

And has anyone picked up a copy of the new AP??  Shitty issue, but
there's an ad for Untitled Soundtracks No. 2, which is basically U2 (ugh)
with Brian Eno and a guest appearance by none other than Luciano Pavarotti!!

Rick


>
> In Message Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:43:05 -0800,
>   Heffalump  writes:
>
> >> >>the entire pygmalion album as well as neil's contribution to the leaf ep
> >
> >Sorry, but what is the leaf ep?
>
> it's a 12" with one song from neil halstead, mark clifford, and an autechre
> guy (i forget his name).  it's ambient, and called "Untitled Soundtracks
> Vol.1"  it's on Leaf records, i think.  someone who actually owns it (unlike
> me) could give more info.  where can i get this nifty plastic disk?
>
> bye,
>
> eric
>

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:33:47 +0100
From: Gerald Audenis (geralda@MECH.KTH.SE)
Subject: Moira Lambert


Hi!

I thought I was the only one in the world who like Faith Over Reason!
I bought their first E.P., called "higher than the sun" maybe 4 or 5
years ago. There was this wonderful song: "Ice queen", which promised
so much... So I waited for a second E.P., or a L.P., but nothing came.
I thought they gave it up, just like you, until I came here in Stockholm!
Last year, they played as guests for  Jeff Buckley's gig in Stockholm, at
Gino. (for only something like 2 pounds or 3 dollars). I couldn't believe
they were still alive! the problem was that the gig began before the
time, and I missed Faith Over Reason for five minutes... Anyway, I bought
their new album ( I can't remember the name of it, but I think they're
still on Big Cat) which is only good, maybe overproduced... There are
still two or three great songs with Moira Lambert alone with her guitar
that chill me. But there were no articles in the newspapers, and the only
place I found the CD was at the concert. I understand they can be tired
of all this no-hype around them... I wonder how they survived so long.
Maybe they gave it up as you say after this disappointment.
Maybe we're too far from the 4AD bands, but I really would like to know
if someone loves them as I do, and I have found some TABs for guitar...
But I didn't know about this All about eve thing, and I don't know if
Faith Over Reason released other stuff than what I said.

mvh A+

                        Gerald



On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, Anthony John Bailey wrote:
>
> The story is correct, but it ain't Sarah; the first single she sang on
> was "Nothing Can Stop Us". The vocalist in question is Moira Lambert,
> who sang with All About Eve-ish Croydon band Faith Over Reason.
>
> Originally the question was: what is said vocalist doing now? I know
> Faith Over Reason made a few records, but I think they gave it up a
> while back. Moira was living in Brighton the last I heard, but all
> this information may well be out of date.


Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 07:07:23 -0500
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Saint Etienne/Joy Division covers/HNIA en Mexico


>>> Actually I meant the girl who sings on "Only Love Can Break Your Heart".
>> Umm...I think that's Sarah Cracknell. I was just reading about how when
>> they went for their first recording session, they didn't have any original
>> material, so they did "Only Love..." and "Kiss and Make Up".
>
>The story is correct, but it ain't Sarah; the first single she sang on
>was "Nothing Can Stop Us". The vocalist in question is Moira Lambert,
>who sang with All About Eve-ish Croydon band Faith Over Reason.

Doh. Of course. And all because I was too lazy to go look at my copy of Fox
Base Alpha. It's funny - both MM and NME have done interviews with Saint
Etienne recently with that story but there's been no mention of the other
singers. I wonder what happened to Stephanie?

>>I'd have to say nope to that one. It is horrible to hear others cover their
>>songs though (i.e. Swans cover of "Love Will Tear Us Apart" circa 1988)

Can't be much worse than Paul Young's cover of the song...

>>Are HNIA and Mojave on tour or did they just play New Mexico?
>
>Neither apparently.  Looks like that show in Mexico City got cancelled at the
>last minute.  However, HNIA did play a special show in Detroit to try to make
>up for it (I think one of the stipulations for that show was to have the
>venue's flyers have the band name in Spanish...).

Well, Mojave 3 poses no problems, but...Su Nombre Esta' Vivo?

Larry


Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 07:42:47 -0800
From: "Blaine E. Thompson" (ui796@FREENET.VICTORIA.BC.CA)
Subject: WWW Page?


Does the 4ad group have a www page?

TIA

Blaine


Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:49:31 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Untitled Soundtracks

              95 02:03:57 am

Rick Stone  wrote:
>
> And has anyone picked up a copy of the new AP??  Shitty issue, but
> there's an ad for Untitled Soundtracks No. 2, which is basically U2 (ugh)
> with Brian Eno and a guest appearance by none other than Luciano Pavarotti!!

I think there's a bit of confusion here - the U2/Eno album is by a group
called Passengers, which is U2, Eno and a few guest vocalists.  It has a
tacky seventies orbiting space station cover, and is probably as dire as
everything else Bono has ever touched.  Why does Eno hang around with
these people?  His solo recordings are wonderful, but he doesn't half
pick some dodgy people to collaborate with (Slowdive and Harold Budd
excepted, of course).

Meanwhile, on Planet Earth, there is a label called Leaf which has
released an EP by Boymerang (half of Bark Psychosis), and an EP called
"Imaginary Soundtracks", which had one track each by Seefeel's Mark
Clifford (as Disjecta), Neil Halstead, Autechre (in their Gescom
disguise) and someone else who I can't remember.  Not essential, unless
you are a big fan of the people concerned - the Disjecta piece sounds
like a half-finished Seefeel track, Halstead's contribution sounds like
something left off Pygmalion due to poor quality, etc.  Both EPs were
12" vinyl only - I saw something in the NME recently about another
Boymerang EP, but I haven't seen it in the shops.

Warp's Website (http://www.ncl.ac.uk/~n264671/wap-indx.html) lists the
Disjecta album/EPs as WAP68CD, "Looking for Snags", released 27/11/95 on
either two four-track vinyl discs or a single CD.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 09/11/95
On my walkman this morning : Autechre - Amber
Its melancholy, long, withdrawing roar,

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:30:35 GMT
From: "Hugh O'Brien" (hugh@INTERNET-EIREANN.IE)
Subject: Frank Black/EOST/V23


        anyone heard the Frank Black track, "Chinese Firedrill",
        on the Mike Watt album "Ball Hog or Tugboat"? one of his
        calmer moments and quite good. was this written by Black
        or Watt?
        the EOST "Free-D", is that the lp or the remix ep by
        Bandalu and Disco Inferno? i can probably get both here
        on cd for whoever was looking for it.
        also V23 artwork on non-4ad releases, those in europe
        check out Liquid's "Sweet Harmony" on XL, artwork by Paul
        McMenamin. anyone know of anymore?

 Hugh O'Brien            hugh@internet-eireann.ie
"Music has to be sound, otherwise you are lost.Sound
goes into the inner part of the human soul"-Iannis Xenakis

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 08:38:04 -0700
From: Steve Hatcher (Steve.Hatcher@USOE.K12.UT.US)
Subject: suddenly, tammy!


>>> Jon Kvebaek  11/08/95
And now for something completely different:
I just picked up suddenly, tammy! (we get there when we
do) and I think it's lovely. Is this their second album? How
does it compare to their other release(s)?>>>>>

You just made my day.  The first E-mail message I have
read and what a surprise.  I thoroughly enjoy Suddenly,
Tammy!, and I am thrilled that someone else does as well.
The album, and band, are a nice change of pace to an
otherwise inundated and often over-rated music market.
Beautiful voice, lovely piano and thoughtful arrangements.
If you enjoyed there second album, try their first.  Their
self-titled release on SpinArt records is even better.  It is
not as produced-- more raw, if that is possible.  The song
"Babee" was one of my favorites for that year.  Cheers to
you.
steven
shatcher@usoe.k12.ut.us
        Dead Can Dance:  Into the Labyrinth
        The Bottle Rockets:  The Brooklyn Side


Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:00:38 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: scheer


Regardless of the band's intrinsic merits, from a couple of
listens to a borrowed copy of Scheer's EP, it's clear that
this is another 4AD signing that has nothing to do with the
4AD "aesthetic" abandoned a few years back.  To my ears, the
instrumental textures are pure Seattle pop-grunge, with the
female vocals and country of origin providing the main
novelties.  You have been warned.

--
Computers are  /\  D. Stephen Roy  /\  Die in your thoughts
useless, they //\\ dsroy@rice.edu //\\    every morning and
can only give \\//                \\//   you will no longer
you answers.   \/  space for rent  \/  fear death: Hakakure

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:47:25 EST
From: Charles Kim (ST201432@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU)
Subject: Is 4AD a Style or Concept?


----------------------------Original message----------------------------
These past few weeks a major discussion focused on if 4AD is losing its edge
and uniqueness in the musical world.  Some felt that the 4AD of yesterday is
much superior than todays.  The acts were more interesting and innovative than
to todays more generic and relatively "mediocre" bands.  While this issue has
been discussed heatedly and to the death I was thinking about the fundamentals
of 4AD; what is the purpose or goals of 4AD and what does it want to accomplish
.

Many labels can be described as a musical style.  For instance Verve is a Jazz
label and Warp is an ambient techno label.  What is 4AD.  Can we say it is a
musical style where all of the bands cater to a musical style.  Or is it
different.

I feel that 4AD is not particularily a musical style but rather a concept.
A concept for a label for me is where the label takes an ideaology and signs
bands that have that ideaology.  There is no particular musical style.
What is this concept?  I think the name itself sums it up 4AD =  Forward.  The
concept is to sign on bands and acts that are the forefront or the originators
of their style.  How many times have you heard "this band sounds like the
(insert 4ad band here) -ish" and never said "this (insert 4ad band here) sounds
like this band".  For all of the bands on 4ad (at least the old school) the
sounds and music they produced was unique to them.  They created a style than
take on a style.  This uniqueness is a newness which is moving forward in
music.  4ad didn't care that you may have gothic roots, or country, or garage,
just as long as what you did was unique and innovative that made you stand
out from the rest of the crowd.

However,  is 4ad still following the Forward concept today.  I think so but in
a different manner.  I can't pinpoint this, but when I hear a recording by
4ad I can easily identify it as a 4ad artist even though I've never heard of
then before.  For me the musical innovation and individuality of the bands on
4ad is important than a band trying to be like the Cocteau Twins or DCD or
HNIA.

Charle_Kim@brown.edu


Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:52:24 CST
From: Steven W Hill (shill@HARPER.CC.IL.US)
Subject: Re: Re. Brendan Perry/Lisa

              Massey" at Nov 8, 95 9:26 pm

> When I spoke to Vaughan the other week he said he didn't really like Lisa's
> own work (think I posted something about that last week?), but that he
> really liked Brendan's. I said that I had read on the Dead Can Dance web

Slightly related opinion:
A friend of mine (a 4AD expert who has probably heard everything that has
ever come out on the label/a Dead Can Dance fan/a friend of Lisa
Gerrard's) expressed his opinion of THE MIRROR POOL to me. He feels it's
the worst record 4AD has ever put out. He says he told that to Lisa too.
Makes me wonder what the reaction was to that, knowing how
cruel and bitchy Lisa is reputed to be...
-shill

--
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:14:49 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Frank Black/mike watt


>        anyone heard the Frank Black track, "Chinese Firedrill",
>        on the Mike Watt album "Ball Hog or Tugboat"? one of his
>        calmer moments and quite good. was this written by Black
>        or Watt?

i don't know.  that "big train" song scared me away from mw, though the
video did have han solo, greedo, and stormtrooper star wars action figures.
. .

eric, who's marvelling at how brilliant st. ettienne's remix of "lazarus"
(by the boo radleys) is.

"in our christian society there's something wrong with having pleasure.
pleasure more precisely is called sin."
        -stereolab "perversion"


Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:46:26 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Design for a living


...        also V23 artwork on non-4ad releases, those in europe
...        check out Liquid's "Sweet Harmony" on XL, artwork by Paul
...        McMenamin. anyone know of anymore?

Chris Bigg did some artwork for 'Luxuria' and helped 'The Glee Club'

There are a few David Sylvian sleeves (and a tour book) by mr. Oliver, who
also designed the 'Rare On Air' compilations

but there should be a few more out there...









-
   Emiel Efdee
-
   efdee@luna.nl (the netherlands)
-
   http://www.luna.nl/~efdee
-

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:22:12 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: the whole eno/u2 think


>I think there's a bit of confusion here - the U2/Eno album is by a group
>called Passengers, which is U2, Eno and a few guest vocalists.  It has a
>tacky seventies orbiting space station cover, and is probably as dire as
>everything else Bono has ever touched.  Why does Eno hang around with
>these people?  His solo recordings are wonderful, but he doesn't half
>pick some dodgy people to collaborate with (Slowdive and Harold Budd
>excepted, of course).

actually, i sort of like (i think) some of eno's u2 stuff.  i don't really
listen to 'em much, but even though i've been out of high school for awhile
now, i still like a couple of the songs on "achtung" and "zooropa" (though
not the other stuff.) examples would be erm. . .one, love is blindness,
lemon.  eno definately made a bad band mediocre, though their "rawk" songs
annoy me.

coming out of closet,

eric

"watch me fall apart, but leave me with my heart."


Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:18:55 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: Untitled Soundtracks

              95 01:49:31 pm

Andrew,

I stand corrected.  (Insert embarrassed, throat clearing sound here)

Have you ever seen the FIRST Boymerange ep?  I've been looking for a long
time to no avail.

Rick


>
> Rick Stone  wrote:
> >
> > And has anyone picked up a copy of the new AP??  Shitty issue, but
> > there's an ad for Untitled Soundtracks No. 2, which is basically U2 (ugh)
> > with Brian Eno and a guest appearance by none other than Luciano Pavarotti!!
>
> I think there's a bit of confusion here - the U2/Eno album is by a group
> called Passengers, which is U2, Eno and a few guest vocalists.  It has a
> tacky seventies orbiting space station cover, and is probably as dire as
> everything else Bono has ever touched.  Why does Eno hang around with
> these people?  His solo recordings are wonderful, but he doesn't half
> pick some dodgy people to collaborate with (Slowdive and Harold Budd
> excepted, of course).
>
> Meanwhile, on Planet Earth, there is a label called Leaf which has
> released an EP by Boymerang (half of Bark Psychosis), and an EP called
> "Imaginary Soundtracks", which had one track each by Seefeel's Mark
> Clifford (as Disjecta), Neil Halstead, Autechre (in their Gescom
> disguise) and someone else who I can't remember.  Not essential, unless
> you are a big fan of the people concerned - the Disjecta piece sounds
> like a half-finished Seefeel track, Halstead's contribution sounds like
> something left off Pygmalion due to poor quality, etc.  Both EPs were
> 12" vinyl only - I saw something in the NME recently about another
> Boymerang EP, but I haven't seen it in the shops.
>
> Warp's Website (http://www.ncl.ac.uk/~n264671/wap-indx.html) lists the
> Disjecta album/EPs as WAP68CD, "Looking for Snags", released 27/11/95 on
> either two four-track vinyl discs or a single CD.
>
> --
> Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 09/11/95
> On my walkman this morning : Autechre - Amber
> Its melancholy, long, withdrawing roar,
>

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:23:06 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP


>Well..here we (or I) am (or are)...
>
>I'm curious to find out what sort of info you've got!
>
>Rick
>
)


Got some news from the booker at the Great Maerican Music Hall that they
have BOOKED a show with RHP Dec. 8! Check the Sunday pink section!


Elvia

(elvia@uclink3.berkeley.edu)


Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:40:07 -0600
From: John Nguyen Van (jvskip@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: sacred?

              8, 95 02:44:14 pm

 you sad git

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 19:20:06 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Vaughan and the Internet


>>it seems he (Vaughan) doesn't like the
Internet for various reasons (but that's another story I'll tell some other
time)<<

Aw, go on Andie and tell it.

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:37:42 -0500
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: 4ad samplers


i was in DC yesterday for the sylvian show and i went over to vinyl ink in
silver springs. they had both the FTWW and the NB sampler as well as a
guernica sampler. they do do mail order there and i believe they now have a
web site


todd sanders

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 15:19:50 GMT+5
From: WILDER GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Hi!


    Hi! I'm Wilder. And I like really a lot these groups: SPACEMEN 3,
MY BLOODY VALENTINE, SPECTRUM, SPIRITUALIZED, DARKSIDE, VELVET
UNDERGROUND, LAIKA, SEEFEEL,PRAM, LOVESLIESCRUSHING, SLOWDIVE,
SEEFEEL, SILVANIA, INSIDES, HIS NAME IS ALIVE, etc... well I think
you have an idea already.
    What about you?

    Do you have bootlegs from any of the groups above?

    Do you like ambient?

    Have you heard SILVANIA?
    It's like SLOWDIVE with COCTEAU TWINS but sometimes with a sweet
guitar like SPACEMEN 3. Believe me, they're really wonderful. They
have a lot of beautiful ambiences. Pretty beautiful ambiences. I know
they have 2lps EN CIELO DE OCEANO (1993) and PAISAJE III (1994) and
an EP called MIEL NUBE HIEL. But I only have master tapes with those
stuffs because from here -Peru- is really hard to get their discs.
Can you find them there? Please if you get some information from
them, let me know it.

    Where do you live?
    How is the scene there?

    Do you have something from these groups : SUICIDE, MC5, 13th
FLOOR ELEVATORS and BRIAN ENO?
    I'm pretty interested in to get some stuff from them.
    And of course in to make tape exchanges.


    Well, I'll wait your answer.
    My direction is:   932307@cenco.ulima.edu.pe
    Bye by now.

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:39:00 PST
From: bahman (IZZYW5B@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: more info on Macbeth


Macbeth is a fairly new band featuring Gordan SHarp and another member of
cindytalk, along with Robin guthrie who plays guitar and co-produces.


They released a version of "Help Me LIft you up," on December, 1992 issue
of volume.  In the accompanying article in volume, Gordon Sharp explains
that Ivo originally asked him to sing the vocal for the mortal coil
version .  Over musical differences, the two had a falling out, so
Sharp decided to record it for his new band Macbeth.

Though i have not been able to afind a copy of any of their work
(other than the Volume bit) a very reliable friend has informed me that
he saw couple of copies at AAron record in LA.

if anyone has any info on them, please share....

bahman


Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:39:21 -0500
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: mistle thrush


while in DC yesterday i picked up the latest issue of VEER a music newspaper
from virginia. they had a long interview with mistle thrush and some pics.
anyone interested in a copy of the article?  email me. by the way mistle
thrush and lycia are playing here in pittsburgh this weekend

ts - dcd scribe

"now that winter's drawing close the days are getting older"

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:11:02 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Medicine Broke up?/dorky bands I like


On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, Scott, Mari & Brian wrote:

>  Oh yeah here are the dorky bands I mentioned that nobody
> else here likes but me:
>
> 9.) Veruca Salt
> 2.) Bow wow wow
> 3.) Scheer
> 5.) Cathrene Wheel
> 6.) Belly "Star" (the good one)
> 1.) Lush

Huh???? Sorry, friend, but you are not alone... I like/love all of these
bands!

Strick9

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 17:39:07 -0500
From: "M. Christopher Jones" (mcjones@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Design for a living


At 6:46 PM 11/9/95, Emiel Efdee wrote:
>   Emiel Efdee

*raises hand*

I'm currently a graphic designer for the Wexner Center for the Arts here in
Columbus, Ohio.


   M. CHRISTOPHER JONES || Concentrate on my v o i c e ||
-> mcjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
-> http://mcjones-mac.wca.ohio-state.edu/self-oscillator

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:41:47 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Are these taking the piss?


>Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Macbeth's album????
>        appreciate any inf,
>bahman

                          &

>can anyone tell me about seefeel?what are they like?

Are these people taking the piss, have they just joined in the last two
minutes, don't they bother to read their mail from this list, or are they
just plain fucking stupid? There's enough stuff about non-4AD bands to wade
through, let alone bother to go over old groung hundreds of times...

Now I wonder..... do Seefeel sound like the Cocteau Twins....?
                  have Macbeth done an album.....?

Dahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Andie


Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:27:22 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: That last bit:


If I knew how to cancel it, I would...
Please, please, please, accept my humblest apologies for
that horrendously noisy contribution.  It was inadvertantly
send to the wrong address.  Now to mend my aliases...

Hanging my head in shame...

--
Computers are  /\  D. Stephen Roy  /\  Die in your thoughts
useless, they //\\ dsroy@rice.edu //\\    every morning and
can only give \\//                \\//   you will no longer
you answers.   \/  space for rent  \/  fear death: Hakakure

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:10:05 -0500
From: Simon Crowe (Crowe_Simon/furman@FURMAN.EDU)
Subject: Re: Frank Black/mike watt


> >        anyone heard the Frank Black track, "Chinese Firedrill",
> >        on the Mike Watt album "Ball Hog or Tugboat"? one of his
> >        calmer moments and quite good. was this written by Black
> >        or Watt?
>
>
The Frank Black song is probably the only restrained moment on the Watt
album, and one of the best I've ever heard Frank do. I THINK the song
was co-written by Black and watt but i'm not sure.


Simon C. (a new list member!!)
>

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:43:21 -0500
From: KILLMESOON@AOL.COM
Subject: Stoopid AOLers


Jens writes:

>> I really don't like to generalize about AOL members (I was one once
back in the dark ages, and my sister is one) but you're really doing a
nice job of proving all the stereotypes true. <<

So while you are, you know, generalizing about groups of people, do you hate
blacks, hispanics, bus drivers, T.V repairmen, T.V. repairwomen, women in
general... basically anything that you aren't?

Please don't make "flamebaiting" part of your arguments with an idiot who's
"flamebaiting".  It's obvious he'd still be an idiot even if he wasn't using
AOL.

KILLMESOON@AOL.COM

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:21:21 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: another exile outed


I fucking LOVE Achtung Baby. All you naysayers can suck on my Metallica
collection. :p


 e

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:29:07 PST
From: "Jim S. Thompson" (jimt@SUNFSE.ESE.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM)
Subject: What Radio to Listen to in London?


        I'm going to be in London for 3 weeks from mid-Dec to
        Jan 6.  What radio programs (if any!) should I try
        to check out?  I want to make some audio tapes to
        bring back to San Francisco....

        Thanks most muchly!

        jim thompson - CUBE ROOT FACT AXON INFO GRID DATA FATE
        ::: ..::.  ....:  ::::.::::::     .       ....::... ::
        .:..:::::  ....:::.....::.:::::::::..     .. :..:::::
        .:.:..:.. ..:  ...::::..:. . ...:: : .... :........:.:
        .....  ::...   .:::::::    ...:::: ...  :..... ..::...

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 19:37:03 -0500
From: SortSol@AOL.COM
Subject: No IFFY Zazou!


>>What??  IFFY?  That was one of the BEST albums i discovered last
year (it was released in 92 though).<<

I'll have to entusiastically agree with cz.

The Lisa Gerrard / Brandon Perry contributions better their own recent DCD
output.

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:08:47 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Untitled Soundtracks


On Thu, 9 Nov 1995, Andrew Norman wrote:

> Why does Eno hang around with
> these people?  His solo recordings are wonderful, but he doesn't half
> pick some dodgy people to collaborate with (Slowdive and Harold Budd
> excepted, of course).

Some of his solo work is really rotten, actually. Have you neard Nerve
Net, by any chance? :)

> "Imaginary Soundtracks", which had one track each by Seefeel's Mark
> Clifford (as Disjecta), Neil Halstead, Autechre (in their Gescom
> disguise) and someone else who I can't remember.

Gescom seems to usually be Autechre + miscellaneous collaborators, and
the name change IMO is *very* warranted. I am an immense fan of Autechre
but cannot stand Gescom. Maybe it's good for what it's supposed to be,
but I sure as hell can't listen to it for long.

And I don't think Neil's track is actually *by* Neil. First, it doesn't
sound like him, musically or stylistically. The credit on the disc says:
"written / produced by Tony F. Wilson / Neil Halstead" which leads me to
believe he simply produced the song.

And since no one has asked this in at least a week, whatever happened to
Slowdive's soundtrack work.

> the Disjecta piece sounds
> like a half-finished Seefeel track, Halstead's contribution sounds like
> something left off Pygmalion due to poor quality, etc.

I thought both tracks were pretty nice, actually. Is there a track
listing available for the Disjecta album yet?

e


Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 17:18:01 -0600
From: Michael C Lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Erm...Pixies studio recordings et al


>I guess a few Pixies fans might still be lurking around on the list

ME ME ME!!!!!!! I own Rough Dimonds already, it's amazing, especially Born
in Chicago, good stuff! Also check out Give Me Extasy Half of it is studio
demos of Doolittle, and the other half is a live show, decent quality for
the live show, excellent studio sound (go figure)
1 tame
2 debaser
3 I bleed
4 wave of mutalation
5 crackity jones
6 balie's walk (listed as untitled)
7 mr grieves
8 dead
9 gouge away
10 manta ray (listed untitled)
11 santo (listed untitled)
12 no 13 baby
13 La La Love you
14 there goes my gun
15 silver
16 monkey gone to heaven
 -(here's where it goes into the live show, recorded in Liverpool on may
3rd 1989)-
17 into the white (listied into the doubt)
18 wave of mutalation
19 no 13 baby
20 dead
21 crackity jones
22 river euphraties
23 there goes my gun
24 monkey gone to heaven
25 isla de encanta
26 gigantic
27 tame
28 Caribou
29 Debaser

mike

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 19:35:26 -0500
From: KILLMESOON@AOL.COM
Subject: "El Schlongo" or "Don Quixote"


Brian said:

>>>Listen, I would have liked to have defended Scheer when they were being
bashed but I did'nt know who they were, but I think there good and and if
anybody says otherwise they can suck "El Schlongo"  Sure not very intelligent
but it gets the point across:-)<<<


This actually made me laugh out loud (I'm very worried about my mental
state).


Phil

P.S.  They aren't my faves. Do I have to suck "El Schlongo" ?

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:20:50 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Amps & Autechre again


  Actually, "hoverin" wasn't on the last Breeders album -- it's on teh
single for "Divine Hammer".  But damn good.

******************************************************************************

                                   A.I.D.S.
              We are all infected because we are all affected.........

                                  *********
                     Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. soon@unm.edu
  MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
******************************************************************************

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:21:15 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: game4


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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:04:47 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Medicine Broke up?/dorky bands I like


>    Did Medicine break up, I thought I heard something to that effect a
>while ago. Oh yeah here are the dorky bands I mentioned that nobody
>else here likes but me:
>
>9.) Veruca Salt

It seems the official Veruca Salt closet fan-o-meter now reads 4...

>2.) Bow wow wow
>3.) Scheer

But the more threads I see, it seems the more people there are that really
do like Scheer.

>4.) Metalica "Meticalla"
>5.) Cathrene Wheel
>6.) Belly "Star" (the good one)
>7.) Chris Issak
>8.) Smashing Pumpkins
>1.) Lush

I don't think Lush could be considered a dorky band on 4AD-L.  That would be
heresy or something.


Jake

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 19:35:11 -0500
From: KILLMESOON@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Design for a living



Here's a designer. Love every minute of it (and there are so many of them to
love).


More Chris Bigg design:

    Felt "Ignite the Seven Cannons" (beautiful, that one)
    A lot of stuff by In the Nursery
    And plenty of other stuff while working with Rob O'Connor
    at Stylorouge.


More v23:
    That book by Rachel Felder "Manic Pop Thrill"
    That book by...can't think of the guy called "Blissed Out"

Russell Mills and David Coppenhall are no slouches either.

not he really designed the sleeves for "Deep" as they indicate. They look
incredibly Chris Bigg-ish to me. If they aren't, it was an extremely skillful
rip-off.

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:37:55 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: re. v23


I think you'll find that most of the stuff on XL records is done by v23 -
they share the same building as 4AD and Beggars. XL is a new dance label
who have only released a couple of records as yet. They have been
advertising in Design Week (or was it Creative Review?) for a Graphic
Designer who 'knows the club/dance scene'. A few weeks before Beggars
Banquet were advertising for a Mac Operator for their in house graphic
design studio - I didn't even get an interview ... bastards.

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 15:31:14 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: the whole eno/u2 thing


Come on now, maybe I'm dating myself but U2's early albums (_Boy_ through
_The Unforgettable Fire_) were brilliant. I do agree that they got
awfully tiresome awfully fast after 1985, but listen to "I Will Follow",
"Gloria" or "Indian Summer Sky" and remember their long-gone greatness...

fully rocks my world. One of their best ever, infinitely better than
"Mars Audiac Quartet" (not surprisingly, as all the tracks are from
'92-'93). (Warning: Reading the liner notes will make you go blind.) Buy
ten copies and give 'em to your friends for Xmas. Also picked up a Planet
Dog comp and a promo-only SpinArt comp. Full reviews shortly, I promise.

____________
Jens Alfke |__________________      He was once a little round ball of cells
            jens@mooseyard.com   Now he makes loud noises & sometimes smells


Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 00:19:14 +0000
From: "Jason L. Phillips" (gec95028@CENT1.LANCS.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: That last bit:


On Thu, 9 Nov 1995, Darryl Stephen Roy wrote:

> If I knew how to cancel it, I would...

Huh?

Do you mean the incomprehensible shit you sent two messages after this
(by 4ad-l measurements)?  :)

BTW I'm normaly jasonlee@owlnet.rice.edu
I'm studying abroad for a term.  Did you accidently post to 4ad-l or do
you like good music or familiar with KTRU or something?  Not many people
are into this type music in Houston, judging by the crapola concerts we
get (or fail to get).  My favorites are RHP, HNIA, and Lisa Germano.

Cheers,

Jason Phillips
Baker College, '96, Biology

P.S.  I'll be back in Spring '96, so email me if you want to head to a
concert.

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:45:14 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Brain damage?


On Wed, 8 Nov 1995 BluBelKnol@AOL.COM wrote:

> >Date:  95-11-08 02:47:17 EST
> >From:  einexile@NETCOM.COM (einexile the meek)
>
> >That's funny. As it turns out, the Cocteau Twins were using drugs *and*
> >inflicting upon themselves mild brain damage all during the recording of
> >your misspelled namesake.
>
> yet another correction for a non-AOLer:  It was only Robin who was having
> difficulty during that time and began using narcotics.

Did I say anything about difficulty?
I certainly hope the others were using some drug as well; they need SOME
excuse, don't they?

> At least he had the
> courage to admit to himself he had a problem and loose the habit.

THAT he had a problem. LOSE the habit. Gee, maybe he didn't. Otherwise
why would he be into Seefeel enough to a) ask them to remix his music and
b) copy them?

> And despite the drug use, they were able to put out one of their greatest
> pieces of work,  (aforementioned Blue Bell Knoll) FAR surpassing anything
> Seefeel ever, or ever shall put out.

THE aforementioned. WILL put out.

Such is the case against Seefeel; such are those who make it. I rest my
case. Dumb AOLer.


 einexile

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:54:39 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: brenden perry/mojave/hnia


  I seriously doubt HNIA and Mojave played in New Mexico.  Having grown
up there, and suffered through a lack of any good shows worth seeing ( I
can count the last couple on one hand), I seriously doubt they were
there.  Can anyone confirm that they actually played there?  I'd be
surprised if they did.  And I bet anything they played Santa Fe.

  Go get shiFt!  A Folding Sieve!  Now!
  (ND Records, P.O.Box 4144, Austin Texas, 78765 usa)

******************************************************************************

                                   A.I.D.S.
              We are all infected because we are all affected.........

                                  *********
                     Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. soon@unm.edu
  MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
******************************************************************************

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:11:18 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: scheer


>Regardless of the band's intrinsic merits, from a couple of
>listens to a borrowed copy of Scheer's EP, it's clear that
>this is another 4AD signing that has nothing to do with the
>4AD "aesthetic" abandoned a few years back.


I just saw another post related to this topic, but I just thought I'd
reiterate it here.  I don't believe that there ever was a 4AD "aesthetic".
I don't think Ivo sat down in 1980 and said, "I want to produce a bunch of
bands with this type of sound."  There has always been a lot of diversity in
the label, but people insist on defining the label's style by some of their
more popular bands.  For instance, the whole myth of the 4AD sound started
sometime around 1986 when CT and DCD were achieving a lot of noteriety.
However, let's not forget that around that time other bands were recording,
too, like Colourbox, Pixies, The Wolfgang Press, etc.  Previous to that, in
the early 80's, a lot of the bands had a dark sound to them (most of the old
7", The Birthday Party, Bauhaus).  The moral of the story is, there is no
4AD "sound" (or aesthetic, if this refers purely to the style of music and
not to the mindset behind it).  Like any successful label they are always
changing and trying to diversify.  Scheer may not be DCD, but I still like
them.  I'm sure anyone could look back to 1986 and find an album they
weren't crazy about then, either, but that doesn't mean the label was going
to hell.

Jake, who thinks you'd have a hard time grouping The Happy Family with HNIA

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 22:24:58 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Outside v/23 design


...        also V23 artwork on non-4ad releases, those in europe
...        check out Liquid's "Sweet Harmony" on XL, artwork by Paul
...        McMenamin. anyone know of anymore?

Chris Bigg did most, if not all (someone else confirm please) of the artwork
for the band "In the Nursery" on WaxTrax records.

-The Blue Bell's Knoll
blubelknol@aol.com  <---------AND DAMN PROUD OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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