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Subject: miami liquorice
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 21:30:11 CST
From: ariane181@DALLAS.EMAIL.NET
Subject: Re: More magazine shennanigans
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 01:26:02 GMT
From: rcostner@intergate.net (Robert A. Costner)
Subject: Elijah's Mantle
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 23:17:39 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Body Shop CD
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 23:17:42 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: FTWW available in LA
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 02:19:30 -0500
From: Jay Senese (JaySenese@AOL.COM)
Subject: cranes mailing list
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 02:12:13 -0500
From: Christina Johnson (br713@freenet.carleton.ca)
Subject: The Starlashwishes are So In Your Head? This Mortal Coil, Vol. IV?
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 02:08:54 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (TooPurist@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: OOH an apostrophe flame! :)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 23:33:01 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: cranes mailing list
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 00:34:47 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Subscription information
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 95 3:24:05 EST
From: Mail Server (Listserv@busop.cit.wayne.edu)
Subject: Amps & Autechre
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:09:19 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Cranes mailing list
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 06:22:21 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject:
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 07:10:44 -0500
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Brant Nelson's e-mail address/St Et.
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 23:49:32 +1100
From: Donald Chin (donaldc@NETSPACE.NET.AU)
Subject: St. Etienne
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 08:05:27 CST
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: Body Shop CD
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:50:46 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: guernica. . .
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:24:03 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: more cranes blab
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:25:16 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: more cranes blab
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:26:19 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: St. Etienne
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 10:51:51 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: Pwooorgh, couldn't have been me
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:59:10 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: No Balls CD for swap!
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:14:16 -0800
From: David Stack (dstack@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: mercury rev
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 11:26:06 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.COM)
Subject: Re: Elysium
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:21:29 -0800
From: Staff (griggs@BEST.COM)
Subject: the Cardigans
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:42:00 CST
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: miami liquorice
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 10:24:08 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Scheer are godlike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 20:14:55 +0100
From: snailhead (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: MACBETH
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:23:00 PST
From: bahman (IZZYW5B@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: St. Etienne
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:40:40 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Cranes (again)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:12:52 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Seefeel and Cocteau Twins
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 16:29:59 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Otherness
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 15:14:16 -0500
From: Matthew Krom (krom@MEDIA.MIT.EDU)
Subject: autechre
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 17:50:06 EWT
From: soul whirling somewhere (BGMUTZA@CLUSTER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:43:05 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: MACBETH
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 16:52:44 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: MACBETH
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 16:47:25 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: Amps & Autechre
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:41:50 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Cookies
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 15:58:12 -0500
From: James Sanchez (JSANCHEZ@HSSCAM.MIS.SEMI.HARRIS.COM)
Subject: Re: St. Etienne
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 17:27:15 CST
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: this is how you save 4 a d
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 15:56:09 -0800
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Elysium and Dd thank you / christmas release
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:46:57 -0800
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:37:15 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: St. Etienne
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:06:02 -0500
From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: What the hell!?!?!?!
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:45:14 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Sheer/medicine/Daou=Cool death metal bands!
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:52:15 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 21:30:11 CST
From: ariane181@DALLAS.EMAIL.NET
Subject: miami liquorice

              

hi there!

umm..err...i think you might mean jenny toomey, if you are asking about
liquorice. she is the wonderful vocalist for not only that band, but also
tsunami and grenadine. with the help of tsunami-mate kristin thomson, she
runs a label out of arlington, va caled simple machines. arlington is less
than five minutes away from washington d.c. though.

mark robinson also runs a label out of arlington, va called teenbeat. so, he
and jenny run around in that scene together. in fact, they are both members
of the lovely band grenadine!

if you are interested in ordering stuff from jenny and the simple machines
label, their e-mail address is simplemach@aol.com, though they are
sometimes really slow at getting back to you v.i.a. computer. the grenadine
albums are available throught both simple machines and teenbeat records.

and...umm...i can't remember who else you had asked about!!! :D

hope that helped a little! if not, then feel free to send any questions my
way at ariane181@dallas.email.net and i will do my darnedst to see they get
answered. (i'm a little tsunami/liquorice/jenny toomey fanatic!! *grin*)

janice ariane

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 23:50:18 -0500
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Fwd: Irritating Magazine Bastard


excuse the cross post but this may be of interest
---------------------
Forwarded message:
From: shaunc@faceplant.gvg.TEK.COM

Date: 95-11-06 22:42:42 EST I posted the most recent magazine spam we received to the net-abuse newsgroup, news.admin.net-abuse.misc, and I got a response back with the phone number and address of the loser who is subjecting us to his crap marketing. I've enclosed it below. I wouldn't dream of suggesting a few midnight phone calls or visits. I wouldn't even dare recommend a few oh-so-just trial magazine subscriptions. No, not me. Not at all. Nope. I would suggest something much, much worse. @Man Tabloid reporters were flabbergasted when Robert A. Costner wrote:
From: rcostner@intergate.net (Robert A. Costner)
Subject: Re: More magazine shennanigans

Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 01:26:02 GMT This is the PO Box that Kevin uses for the Magazine Business: Kevin Jay Lipsitz PO Box 120990 Staten Island NY 10312-0990 This is an address Kevin currently does, or used to live at. This address belongs to Joesph J. Lipsitz. I would think that a duplicate notice to this address would be in order. Kevin Jay Lipsitz 350 Richmond Terrace #5-P Staten Island, NY 10301 Kevin's ansering machine is 718-967-1234 Additional information: D/O/B: 01/29/59 Previous addresses: 431 THORNYCROFT AVE STATEN ISLAND NY 10312 934 STEWART AVE APT6 ITHACA NY 14850 On 6 Nov 1995 19:00:46 GMT, shaunc@faceplant.gvg.tek.com (Math Hoodlum) posted the following: >I'm still getting bonehead magazine subscription junk email via mailing >lists. Here is a header from the latest piece. -- When first I came to town, they called me the roving jewel Now they change their tune, they call me Katy Cruel Oh that I was where I would be, then should I be where I am not here I am where I must be, where I would be I cannot // Trad. // PGP mail welcome

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 23:17:39 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Elijah's Mantle


Hi there. I picked up some copies of two CDs by Elijah's Mantle:

-Angels of Peversity
and
-Remedies in Heresies

I had wanted to check them out because Brendan Perry produced the first one
and is thanked on the second one. It's not really my cup of tea, but I
figured some one on this list might be interested in these. I have no idea
if these are hard to get or what their value (monetary value) is?

If you are interested in purchasing either of them (or both) please email
me and make me an offer. (In case you are wondering, they are in brand new
condition)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Russell Martin
russellm@xmission.com

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 23:17:42 -0700
From: Russell Martin (russellm@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Body Shop CD


Stopped by a Body Shop here in Utah today, and I asked about the 4AD CD. I
was told that the CD is only available in some "select" markets. They were
fairly confident that the CD is availabe in California and Colorado (?). I
was also told that if you phone a store that is participating, you can
place a credit card order and have your order and your free CD shipped to
you.

Hope that helps.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Russell Martin
russellm@xmission.com


Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 02:19:30 -0500
From: Jay Senese (JaySenese@AOL.COM)
Subject: FTWW available in LA


FYI, for those in Los Angeles, Virgin Megastore is stocking FTWW for $9.99.
  Also, FYI, Eastside Records on Hillhurst had 10-12 copies of the Amps CD,
sealed w/promo punch for $5.99 last time I was in there.  Jay

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 02:12:13 -0500
From: Christina Johnson (br713@freenet.carleton.ca)
Subject: cranes mailing list


Well, I just test-posted to the list and it DID work, so I'm assuming it's
still in working order.

to subscribe, send to listserv@busop.cit.wayne.edu the message "subscribe
cranes" (i didn't test this part as i'm already on the list, of course)

to post, send to cranes@busop.cit.wayne.edu

O.K.?

Christina


--
                          | Christine, the strawberry girl   "Christine"
    Christina Johnson     | Christine, banana split lady      [Siouxsie
br713@freenet.carleton.ca | Christine, the strawberry girl      & the
                          | Christine, sees her faces unfurl  Banshees]

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 02:08:54 -0500
From: Gil Gershman (TooPurist@AOL.COM)
Subject: The Starlashwishes are So In Your Head? This Mortal Coil, Vol. IV?


Hi everyone

I've been keeping sort of quiet about this one, but it's really something
that you should all know about.

>From the "Fuzzbox Hell" of Seattle comes the surprise of the year. A small
local label, ae (look for them to be making B-I-G waves soon...), has been
releasing albums which are sure to delight anyone with a taste for exquisite
(and challenging) music.

ae #1 - LUCID's "Baby Labyrinthian"

I KNOW I've thrown this name around a few times in postings to the list.
Parasol carried it for a little while (ALL ae cds are in ltd editions of
500), and I don't know if you can still get it through them... but TRY! What
we have here is (and I'm going to try not to simply rehash my reviews from
the upcoming Big Takeover...) an astonishing piece of work: 31 tracks, not
one a throwaway - 72+ minutes. Maybe the best analogy I can draw is this: the
"lost in fog" feel of lovesliescrushing and the odd
instrumentation/experimentation of Pram or Disco Inferno joined to His Name
Is Alive's mesmerizing quietude. Song structure, or lack thereof, is closer
in spirit to the fragments of LLC, while the gentle chimes, drones, and
meshing samples recall Pram and DI - while a hypnotic HNIA-ish calm folkiness
ties it all together. It doesn't leap out at you as quickly as any of these
bands - it's extremely subtle music. But I'll be damned if this isn't one of
the best albums of '95 - and one of the most incredible secrets US music has
to offer.

ae #2 - After the Flood

With a 'supergroup' of Seattle band members (including most of LUCID and,
strangely enough, people from grungeoids, Sage...) you'd expect a numbing
guitar-wank holocaust. Nope. Instead, this is likely the greatest 4AD album
that the (now on the downslide...oh, sorry...I'll stop editorializing...)
label never released. Though there are no Big Star or Rema Rema covers - it's
all original music - you'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference between
this group of players and the TMC stable. A pawn-shop full of instruments,
from the usual GBDV to the truly unusual, and a 22 songs which cover every
aspect of TMC - from the DCD-on-holiday of "Waves Become Wings" ("Evocation"
- which even hints at isolationist ambience) to the tortured emotional folk
of "Kangaroo"("Quite Surprised"). There are your experimental pieces ("Terra,
She Said", "Morning Come, Bottle Dry") - lots of LUCID/TooPure-ish tape loop
and sample tapestries. Tell me that "Sister" isn't a Pram song! Okay, you can
tell me... but I don't believe you. A few songs here shine with the gossamer
blissfulness that the Cocteaus have traded for solemn minimalism (try "Grace"
and "Sophia" - which has a male vox that puts Breathless to shame). Every
base is covered - and then some. The European street-cafe vibe of
"Glissando", the "Red House Painters playing with Moose's delay-guitar
pedals" melancholy of "Abandoned Ship", "Dispell the Nightmare"'s smoky
Portishead jazz, and the "are you sure this isn't MAIN?!" ambient whispers of
"Circles, Smoke" suggest something larger than TMC ever accomplished: This
could be a project to end all projects, assembling all the most brilliant
musicians of our time (and before) - from Tim Hardin to Martin Carr - and
having them create a /magnum opus/ with as many flavors and nuances as life
itself.

Suuuuuuure. You all think that it's the ravings of a (stubbornly opinionated)
madman. But track down a copy of either (or both) of these albums and see for
yourself. Even 4AD's 'baby steps' weren't THIS exciting. We have something
here, folks. While too many cities churn out endless streams of indie-rock
clones, here is a thouroughly original assembly of musicians creating what
will prove to be lasting and incomparable art. The idea is carried over into
the packaging - especially AtF, with it's ghostly silver parchment paper and
postcard inserts.

Well, I'm impressed. :)

Here's some info for anyone out there who shares my excitement.

AE / AETERNA (ae's 'house' store)
 - Clark Von Trotha -   <---- who is one of the musicians in LUCID and the
engineer of AtF...
4751 Twelfth Ave. N.E. "A"
Seattle, WA 98105 USA
206-527-6117 phone/fax

Oh - and PLEASE tell Clark that Jeff and Gil sent you! :) I have my
reasons...

Go forth and get your hands on this cds. Life is too short to waste it on
mediocrity.

now with so many wings...
Gil

Can anyone tell me something about Eyeless in Gaza (esp: "Orange Ice and Wax
Crayons") and CINdYTALK's "The Wind is Strong"?
Is/was "Camouflage Heart" ever available on cd?

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 23:33:01 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: OOH an apostrophe flame! :)


> > The Crane's _what_?
> Okay, let's be *completely* petty...

Sorry, I've just seen this in *so* many places over the past year or
so... it's starting to push me over the edge.  My complaint stand's.
Hopefully it will make other's be more aware of thi's mistake in the
future.

> >life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."
>                           ^
>                           THIS should not be a semicolon! :p

I won't take responsibility for that mistake. <:-)

What do you folk's think about thi's butter cake incense?

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
 "He who clearly apprehend's the scheme of existence doe's not rejoice over
life, nor repine at death; for he know's that external limit's are not final."


Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 00:34:47 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: cranes mailing list


On Tue, 7 Nov 1995, Christina Johnson wrote:

> to subscribe, send to listserv@busop.cit.wayne.edu the message "subscribe
> cranes" (i didn't test this part as i'm already on the list, of course)
>
> to post, send to cranes@busop.cit.wayne.edu
>
> O.K.?

Um, what was that again? :)

 einexile, putting foot back in mouth

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 00:33:14 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: the goods on the cranes list


I sent listserv@whatever the command 'subscribe cranes'. Pretty standard.
I wonder if anyone is still using the list though?

It's set up so only subscribers can post there. Which I think it kinda
stupid but it beats what's been happening on Dewy Fields...

 e

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 95 3:24:05 EST
From: Mail Server (Listserv@busop.cit.wayne.edu)
Subject: Subscription information



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Thanks.

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:09:19 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Amps & Autechre


Slight contrast in this week's purchases.  The Amps first - I know I
said recently that on the strength (or weakness) of "Tipp City" I was
unlikely to buy the Amps album, but this weekend I heard a rather good
song in a record shop which could only have been Ms Deal singing.  And
as others have reported, the album is actually not bad.  Not all that
good, but not bad - it would have made a really good 8 track "Come on
Pilgrim" style mini-album, there are some songs on it which wouldn't
be out of place on a Breeders album.  Having said that, I don't think
the Breeders have been all that special since Tanya left.  Try before
you buy, but don't judge the Amps on the "Tipp City" single.

Autechre's "Tri Repetae" has two fewer songs, but is more than twice as
long.  Plain metallic grey-green package with no writing on it other
than a sticker on the front, and some cards inside with track listing
and pictures of engines.  The music is wonderful - I didn't like "Anvil
Vapre" very much, and was a bit apprehensive about this album, but they
seem to have worked out their Aphex fantasies on the EP, and the album
is a bit like a cross between the previous two - the complex rhythms of
"Amber" with the droning and buzzing of "Incunabula".  Definitely the
most consistent and interesting techno album since, well, their last one
I suppose.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 07/11/95
On my walkman this morning : Luna - Penthouse
Lay like the folds of a bright girdle furl'd.


Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 06:22:21 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Cranes mailing list


>On Tue, 7 Nov 1995, Christina Johnson wrote:
>
>> to subscribe, send to listserv@busop.cit.wayne.edu the message "subscribe
>> cranes" (i didn't test this part as i'm already on the list, of course)
>>
>> to post, send to cranes@busop.cit.wayne.edu
>>
>> O.K.?
>
>Um, what was that again? :)
>
> einexile, putting foot back in mouth


Oh, I'm *so* excited that a Cranes mailing list has been set up!.....

Perhaps now we can get back to 4AD stuff.


Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 07:10:44 -0500
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM) >> I suppose you're referring to Donna Savage, who sang on the single version >> of "Kiss And Make Up". She went back to New Zealand after her collaboration >> with Pete and Bob fell apart. She is/was in a band there named Look Blue Go >> Purple. > >Actually I meant the girl who sings on "Only Love Can Break Your Heart". Umm...I think that's Sarah Cracknell. I was just reading about how when they went for their first recording session, they didn't have any original material, so they did "Only Love..." and "Kiss and Make Up". >>ob4ad-l - Mojave 3: The notion of Halstead and Co. doing these country-esque >>sad luuuurv ballads only slightly reeks of some sort of cultural slumming >>(i.e. Jon Spencer and the whole Pussy Galore experience), but I've gotten >>really fond of the album. However, I do wonder what these songs might have >>sounded like if "Slowdive"-era Slowdive had tackled them. Some critics have dismissed it as "new country". I was worried when I decided I liked the album ("does this mean I like country?!") but I decided since this was like no other country, it was okay. >i just heard that when 4ad/warner releases mojave in the us, it will have >the entire pygmalion album as well as neil's contribution to the leaf ep >tacked on to the end as ten bonus tracks! You're kidding...that would be even dumber than tacking 5EP onto the end of Souvlaki... >eric, who's glad sbk is not distributing ask me tomorrow I'm just glad SBK is not distributing anything anymore Larry

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 23:49:32 +1100
From: Donald Chin (donaldc@NETSPACE.NET.AU)
Subject: Brant Nelson's e-mail address/St Et.


Hi all,

I have been reading all the posts about Elysium. I am quite interested in
getting this CD. The trouble is that I don't have an e-mail contact with
the Dewdrops label or Brant. Could someone post that information to me?

Also, Donna Savage was in the the New Zealand band, Dead Famous People.

Cheers

Donald

--..........
Donald Chin ..........  
--..........         "Lost somewhere in Australia..."


Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 08:05:27 CST
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: St. Etienne


St. Etienne fan(atics), if you miss them, check out
the Cardigans or Dubstar.  Similar 60's stuff.
(With better singers)



kent
kjv@mti.cdc.com


Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:50:46 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Body Shop CD


This CD is "I Think Getting The Hang Of It", right?  What's the
track listing? Is it very different from "Facing The Wrong Way"?

Mike
iceblink@delphi.com

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:24:03 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: guernica. . .


Eric said:    >>>spoonfed hybrid didn't have another contract.  neither did
insides, neither
did bettie serveert (they were later signed by matador, and the album was
re-released), neither did underground lovers (i think), but they were later
signed as well.<<<

Right about Spoonfed Hybrid and Insides (who incidentally had released a few
things under the name Earwig); however Bettie Serveert were already signed to
Matador, That Dog were already signed to Geffen, and Underground Lovers had
released things in Australia.

I was mostly going from a press release I'd received from 4AD a few years ago
when they launched Guernica. Maybe they could release the new Red House
Painters on Guernica (joke) if it does still exist. I would like to know as
well. That second Insides release came out just about one year ago.

Bye Bye,

RBNRy


Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 16:04:00 +0100
From: Katy Renick (katy.renick@STUDENT.UNI-TUEBINGEN.DE)
Subject: Re: more cranes blab (fwd)


YES!  the cranes list still exists. do this:  listserv@busop.cit.wayne.edu
---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:25:16 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: more cranes blab


>Yes, they have always been the two main members. In fact, the other
two
>went and made their own album because Jim and Ali allowed them NO
>creative input whatsoever.


do you know what this is called, i would be interested in picking it
up.

>Does the Cranes list still exist?

i'm not sure, i tried subscribing once, but it said that the list
didn't exist.... i was going to get a list of all of the mailing lists
on the listserv but the Web page i got the listserv address from is no
longer there. shrug. i would like to be on it myself, if it still
existed....


                                -robert.

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:26:19 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU) >>i just heard that when 4ad/warner releases mojave in the us, it will have >>the entire pygmalion album as well as neil's contribution to the leaf ep >>tacked on to the end as ten bonus tracks! > >You're kidding...that would be even dumber than tacking 5EP onto the end of >Souvlaki... ah. . .somebody sees my point!

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 10:51:51 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: Re: St. Etienne


>St. Etienne fan(atics), if you miss them, check out
>the Cardigans or Dubstar.  Similar 60's stuff.
>(With better singers)

I saw a Cardigans video last week and they reminded me quite a bit
of St. Etienne, as well. Does anyone know what label they are on?

MIke

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:59:10 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Pwooorgh, couldn't have been me

              

Micah Newman wrote:

>Simon wrote:
>> Then there's the very quiet bit right at the end of "The Eternal" on Joy
>> Division's Closer where we find out what those men with weight on their
>> shoulders are really like.
>
>          I've had this album for about five years but haven't heard what
>you're referring to. What is it? I'll have to listen for it next time.

I've never got anyone else to admit to the existence of what I'm talking
about so sometimes I wonder if I'm just imagining it.  But it is on both my
vinyl and CD copies of "Closer".  Right at the end of "The Eternal",
someone clearly (to me at least) says "Pwooorgh, couldn't have been me"
(standard English schoolboy response to someone smelling a fart).  I think
it then gets repeated only more quietly.  Try listening for it with
headphones.

Simon Hughes


Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:14:16 -0800
From: David Stack (dstack@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: No Balls CD for swap!

              7, 95 10:51:51 am

Hello,
  I have an extra No Balls CD and I would like to swap it for
either FTWW or an interesting 4AD/Creation single(s).  I
am looking for early chapterhouse singles (pearl/mesmor.)
I'm also am interested in Adorable singles.
Also, If you have anything else interesting to trade send me your list.

Dave (dstack@netcom.com)

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 11:26:06 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.COM)
Subject: mercury rev


if you didn't already know, mercury rev are touring in support of 'see you on
the other side'.  i saw them this weekend and highly recommend going to
their show if you have the chance.  i don't see much mention of mercury rev on
this list.  IMHO, they are one of the better bands going today, and they have
plenty of thislisty qualities.

also saw palace/palace music/palace brothers, whatever name will oldham/pushkin/
push is going by this day, this weekend.  lots of different arrangements for
their songs... more up-tempo.  also highly recommended.  not that my opinion
means much.

alan


Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:21:29 -0800
From: Staff (griggs@BEST.COM)
Subject: Re: Elysium


 you wrote:
     Thanks for this input. I have just today sent off an order for
>this album, and look forward to getting it. What about the other Dewdrops
>artists? How do they rank? And BTW, on Brant Nelson's "Dewdrops" web
>page, only Elysium, Orange, Hover, and "Thurtene" are listed. Are those
>really the *only* releases on that label?


 i write:
        yes, those four albums are the only ones available on dewdrops.
elysium was just at a cafe around the corner from my house a few weeks ago,
and my bf talked to the lead vocalist and she is very nice.  orange is
similar to cocteau twins...i quite like it. however, they broke up and she
will be in another band, i believe.  hover is girl/boy pop, and it has
really grown on me...it's very east coast pop...  thurtene is a collection
of 4ad covers, some of which are very good...orange does an interesting
cover of pixies "gigantic" and hover's cover of breeders' "when i was a
painter" is fun...tel basta even attempts "i melt with you" and it's not
bad (although the cocteau twins cover sourly misses the mark--faye wong is
the only person i've heard that even does justice to the twins music). but
'thurtene' is almost a must for 4ad lovers...info from talking with someone
from dewdrops--they are considering another 4ad cover album...there'll be
more coming from them...keep your ears open...

anyway, hope this helps some...

ciao mein...

jim

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:42:00 CST
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: the Cardigans


The Cardigans' "Life" CD that I have has
trampolene records and stockholm records
copyrights on it.  The Cardigans and Dubstar
are not released in the U.S. yet.



kent
kjv@mti.cdc.com

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 10:24:08 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: miami liquorice


On Mon, 6 Nov 1995, Noah Slankard wrote:

>
>       Paula Toomey??!? Do you mean Jenny Toomey?
>
   Did I say Paula Toomey...?   Sorry.. musta been thinking of Paula
Fraser and Jenny Toomey at the same time...aiee.

Strick9


Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 20:14:55 +0100
From: snailhead (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Scheer are godlike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hello,

Just to say that I just bought that Scheer EP (Schism or something),
and that it is the best debut on 4ad,I've heard since the Red House
Painters'"Down Colorfull Hill" or something.
Is that "Demon"-mailordersingle still available
and is it as good as the EP?

Guy Vandekerckhove                  "My best friend knows this old guy,who
gvdekerc@eduserv.rug.ac.be           who keeps a picture in his shoe"
                                         -Tanya Donelly-

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:23:00 PST
From: bahman (IZZYW5B@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: MACBETH


Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Macbeth's album????
        appreciate any inf,
bahman


Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:40:40 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: St. Etienne


You wrote:
>
>St. Etienne fan(atics), if you miss them, check out
>the Cardigans or Dubstar.  Similar 60's stuff.
>(With better singers)

i love Dubstar myself. unfortunatly, i have yet to hear the
Cardigans... any suggests on what i should check out by them???
another band in this vein i find quite nice is Pizzacato 5.

                            -robert.

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:12:52 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Cranes (again)


You wrote:
>
>While we're on the subject of the Crane's, I just wish that the
>darn 'Sartre' work will be released sometime soon...last i heard it
>was caught in a licensing matter with the Sartre foundation of some
sort.
>
>Anyone have any info about this?
>

nope! that is the latest word! hopefully, they can work past it and
release it... i've been hearing about since about last Dec./Jan.


                        -robert.

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 16:29:59 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Seefeel and Cocteau Twins


>
>Yes, fellow listies, do not compare Seefeel and the Cocteau Twins:
>Seefeel is easier far better than CT could ever hope to be.

So tell me, are you on drugs? or just some sort of mild brain damage?
-bbk

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 15:14:16 -0500
From: Matthew Krom (krom@MEDIA.MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Otherness


>I also just picked up a copy (import) of the Otherness CD.  Most
>excellent ambient excursion for the Twins.  I can only hope to hear more
>in this vein on the upcoming full-length CD.

Hi all!  Just in case anyone is confused, "Otherness" is remixed by Mark
Clifford of Seefeel (god I hope I got his name right).  It is *not* a Cocteau
Twins end-product, and therefore the style cannot be expected to bleed into
the upcoming album.  While I'm sure the band members are thrilled to have
released an excellent ep, you won't be hearing that sound again unless they
recruit Clifford once more...

Cheers!
Matt Krom


Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 17:50:06 EWT
From: soul whirling somewhere (BGMUTZA@CLUSTER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: autechre


could someone give me some information on autechre?  i have _amber_ and enjoy
it quite a bit.  what other releases are there and how do they compare to
_amber_?  i seem to remember a discussion about this a couple months ago but
can't remember what the consensus was.

thanks...

brian


Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:43:05 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: your mail


> >>the entire pygmalion album as well as neil's contribution to the leaf ep

Sorry, but what is the leaf ep?

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 16:52:44 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: MACBETH


>>>Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Macbeth's album????<<<


Did they ever release an album?  The only song I ever encountered
from Macbeth (Gordon Sharp, Robin Guthrie, and someone else) was
a cover of "Help Me Lift You Up" my Mary Margaret O'Hara. It was
featured in Volume 5 CD/Magazine back in 1992.

Mike
iceblink@delphi.com

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 16:47:25 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: MACBETH


On Tue, 7 Nov 1995, bahman wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Macbeth's album????
>         appreciate any inf,

if you're talking about the macbeth that features gordon sharp and robin
guthrie then you are (as far as i know) out of luck.  the only thing
they've ever done is the cover of _help me lift you up_ which is on the
volume 5 comp. (oh...i *think* it's #5)

supposedly there is more to come from them at some point.  i know that's
an area gordon wants to explore, but we'll just see if it ever happens.

what the hell, i'll throw in a cindytalk plug......if you still haven't
picked up _wappinschaw_ (released on touched via world serpent) i highly
suggest you do so.  ok, that's all.

        .dolphinsbearsowls.......mark.

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:41:50 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Amps & Autechre


I saw the Amps open last Sat. when Sonic Youth played on campus here...
Isn't that 'hoverin'' song a breeders song?  Kim whipped out a snare "OK,
for this song I'm on snare and McPherson (sp?) is on digital delay
pedal..."  I'm sure I've heard it before, but I haven't listened to the
Amps album, so...

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 15:58:12 -0500
From: James Sanchez (JSANCHEZ@HSSCAM.MIS.SEMI.HARRIS.COM)
Subject: The real story behind the cookie story. It's not very pretty!!!!


This is the real version.  I downloaded it from 'alt.ass.beating' this
morning.

George
-------------------------------------------------------------------------'

Subject: Cookies


My daughter & I had just finished a salad at Neisho-Markum Cafe in Dallas
and decided to stuff our fat asses with cookies.  Because our family of fat
asses are such cookie lovers, we decided to try the "Neisho-Markum chicken
meat Cookie".  It was so excellent that I asked if they would give me the
recipe.  With a sort of twisted smile, she said, "Yes."  I asked how much,
and she responded, "Two fifty K."  I said with approval, just add it to my tab.
one day later, I received my VISA statement from Neisho-Markum and it was
$250,029.95.  I looked again and I remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two
salads and about $20.00 for cookies.  As I glanced at the bottom of the
statement, it said, "Cookie-Recipe - $250,000.00."  Boy, was I pissed!!  I
called Neiman's Accounting Dept. and told them the waitress said it was "two
fifty K," and I did not realize she meant $250,000.00 for a cookie recipe.
I tried to play ignorant but they didn't fall for it.

I asked them to take back the recipe and reduce my bill and they said
they were sorry, but because all the recipes were this expensive so not
just everyone could duplicate any of our bakery recipes...the bill would
stand.  Two days later some folks from the department store showed up and gave
me the ass beating of my life.  They went insane on my fat ass.  I didn't
think this act of senseless violence would ever end.  My fat ass felt a
kind of pain I could never describe.  The beating grew more sickening
by the minute.  My pig like screams could be heard around the neighborhood.
Never cross a big department store... they will chop your boobs off and
nail them to your ear lobes.


Rastus


Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 17:27:15 CST
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: St. Etienne

              Pietrusko" at Nov 7, 95 12:40 pm

>
> You wrote:
> >
> >St. Etienne fan(atics), if you miss them, check out
> >the Cardigans or Dubstar.  Similar 60's stuff.
> >(With better singers)
>
> i love Dubstar myself. unfortunatly, i have yet to hear the
> Cardigans... any suggests on what i should check out by them???
> another band in this vein i find quite nice is Pizzacato 5.

Pizzicato 5 is OK (I like Sweet the best) but they just aren't
as swoonsome as Dubstar and the Cardigans.  All I have is their
second CD "Life" which is import only.  I see where some of the
cuts on "Life" were on their debut "Emmerdale".

There's a store in town that has another copy of Life if
you can't find it.  Any decent store should be able to
order it for you or try cdeurope.com


kent
kjv@mti.cdc.com

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 15:56:09 -0800
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: this is how you save 4 a d


> But Brant already has tweeness sewn up with Dewdrops.  Any more twee
> and we'd be listening to nursery rhymes.

Actually I wouldn't call what we do overly twee. Orange is,
obviously, but for now we gratefully kowtow to the other labels
who have made it into a religion: Sarah and Sunday. Now if we
could just find Virginia Astley and convince her to record for us...

Any leads? Anyone, anyone?

> [wishing Brant and Pat could get Dewdrops more widely distributed]
We too, my friend!

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:46:57 -0800
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Elysium and Dd thank you / christmas release


Many thanks to those who went to the Elysium show last night,
and also to all those who made it to one (or more!) of the
tour shows.
I'm not even sure how many of you are on these lists, and I
probably didn't even meet most of you, but for those who went
I hope you enjoyed it. It's YOU who were doing this for,
and I'm sure that goes for everyone in the band too.

No other shows are scheduled at this point, but we are trying to
set up shows at UCLA and Rhino in Claremont. As ever, I'll
keep you informed.

What's currently in the works at our label is a 7", possibly
released in time for Christmas (but at this point, it's best
not to hold your breath). If not in time for Christmas, then
it'll happen shortly afterward. The single will feature 4 tracks--
a new Elysium song called "Christmas", a "new" song from Orange
(one of the 4 that didn't make it to the CD, either "Chimes",
"Painted Tongue", "Ecco" or "Solace and Shade"), and a song
each from the Hover and Thurtene CDs. Dewdrops goes vinyl!


|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:37:15 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: your mail


In Message Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:43:05 -0800,
  Heffalump  writes:

>> >>the entire pygmalion album as well as neil's contribution to the leaf ep
>
>Sorry, but what is the leaf ep?

it's a 12" with one song from neil halstead, mark clifford, and an autechre
guy (i forget his name).  it's ambient, and called "Untitled Soundtracks
Vol.1"  it's on Leaf records, i think.  someone who actually owns it (unlike
me) could give more info.  where can i get this nifty plastic disk?

bye,

eric


Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:06:02 -0500
From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: St. Etienne


>>St. Etienne fan(atics), if you miss them, check out
>>the Cardigans or Dubstar.  Similar 60's stuff.
>>(With better singers)
>
>i love Dubstar myself. unfortunatly, i have yet to hear the
>Cardigans... any suggests on what i should check out by them???

The Cardigans, from what I understand, have a handful of singles and an album
out.  The latter is entitled 'Life,' and it is on Stockholm Records in the
UK.  Had to bend over backwards twice to find my copy, but it is well worth
the trouble.  They are much less dancefloor-oriented than Saint Etienne,
instead going for a more coctail party sound.  Sort of the indie band that
Astrud Gilberto, Holly Golightly, and Emma Peel would have formed if indiepop
were around in the early sixties.

Just an obvservation (and an endorsement, natch).

If you can't find 'Life,' I'd be happy to trade you a tape of the disc for a
tape of the Dubstar album.

Cheers,


hk


Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:45:14 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: What the hell!?!?!?!


Hay, I had the 4ad gurnica(sp) saved in my bookmark thing and I pulled
it up and there was a bunch of German crap. What happened?



                                    Brian


Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:52:15 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Sheer/medicine/Daou=Cool death metal bands!


    I just heard a sheer song on a sampler, called "Take You Anywhere"
Anyway I liked it and was wondering if I should get the record/cd
whatever. It also had a song "Candy Candy" by Medicine and "Black
Forest" by Vanessa Daou, which I also liked. Are these worth my money?
Basiclly, are the songs Indicative of the albums in question. Any
information on the artists in question would be nice too.


                                        Brian Ebbitt