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Subject: so *this* is what DCD stands for...
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 21:21:01 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: the two 4ad samplers
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 23:18:12 -0600
From: Michael C Lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Greatest Cookie in the World (fwd)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 21:55:59 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: stina / stina / stina
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 21:50:51 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: drummer on Pod/Saint Etienne singer/Cranes
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 21:43:43 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: mojave
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 00:24:00 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: more cranes blab
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 21:59:58 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: St. Ivo/Time Stereo galore
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 23:57:48 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Time Stereo Cassette thingees
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 22:56:22 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: the two 4ad samplers
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 22:54:48 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: TMC & HNIA
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 23:05:33 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cookies and stina musings
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 02:02:27 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 09:55:14 +0100
From: Cord Walter (xeper@UNIXEN.HRZ.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE)
Subject: Re: Charlatans Discography v1.2
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:06:10 +0100
From: Santiago Serna Yanyez (o0200@SOBRINO.EUI.UPM.ES)
Subject: Re: the two 4ad samplers
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:26:32 +0100
From: Tonny Mortensen (Tonny.Mortensen@STUD.OSIR.HIHM.NO)
Subject: BlackFrankBlackFrankBlack - Crap?
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 04:07:16 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: stina / stina / stina
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:21:51 -0800
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: "Fuck You Tiger"/"Star Me Kitten"
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 06:54:04 -0800
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: The Rest Of Joy Division
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 09:25:26 -0500
From: Steve Willett (willett@NI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: Seefeel and Cocteau Twins
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 09:36:25 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: St. Ivo/Time Stereo galore
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 12:19:39 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Elysium
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:03:54 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Charlatans Discography v1.2
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:28:49 +0100
From: Erik S|derstr|m (chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE)
Subject: Re: more cranes blab
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:01:07 -0500
From: rebecca fagan (rfagan@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: frazier chorus *Plus*
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 11:58:25 -0600
From: "Kendal..." (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Greatest Cookie in the World (fwd)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 21:55:59 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: lonely may be an eyesore, but the teardrop explodes
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:22:06 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Bruce?!
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 11:22:37 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Joy Division sacred?
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:05:26 -0500
From: KILLMESOON@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: guernica. . .
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:17:17 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Cranes (again)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 11:48:10 -0800
From: "J. Tan" (easu447@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: frazier chorus
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:48:31 -0500
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Otherness
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 17:06:01 -0500
From: Rodney Rodriguez (ItsonlyRod@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: more cranes blab
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:25:16 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: a CD sale
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:54:00 EST
From: Rob Galgano (0005338863@MCIMAIL.COM)
Subject: Re: Elysium
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:58:12 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: the sinking of the titantic
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:42:17 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: HNIA & related tape releases
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 11:09:30 -0800
From: Jeffrey Reid (jgreid@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: frazier chorus *Plus*
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 19:00:18 -0500
From: Kevhin Kean (Spider1327@AOL.COM)
Subject: the two 4ad samplers
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:05:48 CST
From: ariane181@DALLAS.EMAIL.NET
Subject: Re: Cranes (again)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:47:46 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: miami liquorice
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:56:11 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: a CD sale
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 20:09:10 -0400
From: bruce levenstein (bruceL@INTERRAMP.COM)
Subject: Re: stina / stina / stina
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 19:19:53 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: SOME CDs for sale
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 19:46:35 -0500
From: Edward Pak (ep2j+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU)
Subject: OOH an apostrophe flame! :)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 19:34:42 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)

Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 21:21:01 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: so *this* is what DCD stands for...


Meanwhile, On Sun, 5 Nov 1995, IHOSAura@aol.com wrote:

>    Dildo Cannon of Death: NOT to be confused with Dildo
> of Death. (See above) The Dildo Cannon of Death is a
> Dildo of Death on a much larger scale. It shoots "secret
> sauce" at unsuspecting citizens, normally causing instant
> death.

> FAMOUS QUOTE: IHOS Phyr, about to fire the DCD:
> "Take this, Dwarves!"

> Fun Facts:
>     The Dildo Cannon of Death weighs in at 3 TONS. That's
> about as much as 8 Baby Elephants! Or it may not, I just
> made that up for a metaphor.

Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 23:18:12 -0600
From: Michael C Lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: the two 4ad samplers


>
>How many of you have actually been able to obtain this at your local Body
>Shop?  I keep dropping by there every couple of weeks to check on
>availability of the CD, and they NEVER know what I am talking about.  Am I
>missing something here?  Was it just for Body Shops in the Los Angeles area
>or something?
>
After running arround two or three local body shops, the best answer i got
was that it's availible in californa, but the midwest hasn't gotten a
chance to order it yet.
mike


Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 21:55:59 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: The Greatest Cookie in the World (fwd)


On Sun, 5 Nov 1995 Initialboy@AOL.COM wrote:

> Three observations:
>
> 1. The Neiman-Marcus Cookie Story is a hoax.

That the cookies story is a hoak is a myth.

> 2. The Good Times virus is a hoax.

Not really. It works. It's just a different kind of virus. And you're
soaking in it.

I am writing to say again: PLEASE PUT THE COOKIE STORY IN THE FAQ. It has
now been posted to this list at least four times.

Anyway, fuck the Easter Bunny. :)

what, five months apart? Six? I still don't see what the fuss is about.
Mojave's sound is all over Pygmalion and Souvlaki.

 e

Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 21:50:51 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: stina / stina / stina


On Sun, 5 Nov 1995, Andras Salamon wrote:

> Something Nice has one non-album track.  I don't have STIG, but I do
> have a promo for Little Star which also has a non-album track.
>     http://www.dns.net/andras/music/sn/
>
> Both the tracks are rather nice.

The extra song on Little Star is AMAZING, not nice. :) Thanks for putting
up the page; that is cool. Do you need info on her first album? Also
there is a proper single for Little Star and an 'ambient mixes' ep which
is supposedly dreadful.

If you know where I can find a copy of that other disc would you please
let me know?

Thanks,

e

Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 21:43:43 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: drummer on Pod/Saint Etienne singer/Cranes


On Sun, 5 Nov 1995, Larry Koch wrote:

> I suppose you're referring to Donna Savage, who sang on the single version
> of "Kiss And Make Up". She went back to New Zealand after her collaboration
> with Pete and Bob fell apart. She is/was in a band there named Look Blue Go
> Purple.

Actually I meant the girl who sings on "Only Love Can Break Your Heart".

> > I noticed he's
> > not on "loved" and there's NO piano.
>
> Perhaps they decided to get rid of the piano -
> it always sounded dinky and synthy to me.

There is piano on the Shining Road single, and it's even more dinky and
synthy than before. In fact he's been playing with sequencers and stuff.

e

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 00:24:00 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: mojave


>ob4ad-l - Mojave 3:  The notion of Halstead and Co. doing these country-esque
>sad luuuurv ballads only slightly reeks of some sort of cultural slumming
>(i.e. Jon Spencer and the whole Pussy Galore experience), but I've gotten
>really fond of the album.  However, I do wonder what these songs might have
>sounded like if "Slowdive"-era Slowdive had tackled them.

i just heard that when 4ad/warner releases mojave in the us, it will have
the entire pygmalion album as well as neil's contribution to the leaf ep
tacked on to the end as ten bonus tracks!  and mojave will tour with
slowdive!

my silliness for the night,

eric, who's glad sbk is not distributing ask me tomorrow

"watch me fall apart, but leave me with my heart."

Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 21:59:58 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: more cranes blab


On Sun, 5 Nov 1995, Robert Pietrusko wrote:

> the main point i was trying to get across was that
> alison and jim were the main members, though i was not aware that
> alison was now writing lyrics aswell. shrug. close enough :)

Yes, they have always been the two main members. In fact, the other two
went and made their own album because Jim and Ali allowed them NO
creative input whatsoever. As far as I know, however, Ali has always
written the lyrics. I could be wrong about this but I don't think so.
Does the Cranes list still exist?

e

Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 23:57:48 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: St. Ivo/Time Stereo galore


>Again, most bands on 4AD do not have contracts per se. The 4AD attitude has
>always pretty much been based on the option of one recording, then seeing how
>things work out. Most bands are free to walk at any time and / or 4AD is free
>to drop them.
>

that's guernica, innit?

>I haven't agreed with every single thing that 4AD has ever put out. But one
>of the reasons that I can't dismiss them so readily, one of the reasons that
>I haven't tired of them, is that they aren't the same label they were a year
>ago, or the year before that, or the year before that, or the year before
>that.

but what about the year before that?

got an update from time stereo the other day:


Cooper Time ($5):  a tribute to alice cooper:  saucer family, esp beetles,
d. james, little princess, grace bros., the impaler and many more.  darin
tells me ian masters appears on this cassette under the name united
friendly.

Majic Impossible:  movie featuring princess dragon mom.  ntsc only $8


ultraman coloring book and scenes from amish life:  $5
puppet time by mog:  $4
the whale that became a star (by warn):  $4
little princess activity book: (by davn) $4

and da da da dum. . .

time stereo t-shirts:

extra large at $10.  i plan to be the first kid on my block to own one!


a princess dragon mom video comp for $10
no credit cassette by s. van gelder (warren defaver)

that's the news for today.  bye now,

eric

"watch me fall apart, but leave me with my heart."


Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 22:56:22 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Time Stereo Cassette thingees


I posted something here a few days ago about this, but no one responded.
Does anyone still have the list of Time Stereo cassettes that are available?
I remember it being posted about a month ago, but I accidentally deleted my
copy.  If anyone still has a copy of this list, could you please mail it to me?

Thanks,
Jake

Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 22:54:48 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: the two 4ad samplers


>How many of you have actually been able to obtain this at your local Body
>Shop?  I keep dropping by there every couple of weeks to check on
>availability of the CD, and they NEVER know what I am talking about.  Am I
>missing something here?  Was it just for Body Shops in the Los Angeles area
>or something?


Well, I'm in San Francisco and I finally got mine.  They've had them for at
least two or three weeks.

Mr. Jake

Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 23:05:33 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: TMC & HNIA


Okay, a thought occurred to me last night and I'ts been bothering me all
day.  Given that Blood came out in 1993, why isn't anyone from His Name Is
Alive on it?  Other than the cryptic dedication of the box set to Warren,
they don't have any connection with it (that I know of).  Why not?  It seems
that their style fits in awfully well with TMC.

Jake, scratching his noggin in confusion

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 02:02:27 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cookies and stina musings


>I am writing to say again: PLEASE PUT THE COOKIE STORY IN THE FAQ. It has
>now been posted to this list at least four times.

Um  ... well ... actually ...

from the FAQ
>
>than the
>cookies. You might want to post it to alt.folklore.urban, though, they love
>cookie recipes
>there.


-cz

buy out Stina Nordenstam's contract which may even help her level of
distribution :)  but even if it doesn't then at least *we* will all know
where to get the CD's.

___<<<<<<<<<*********ckemnitz@students.wisc.edu********>>>>>>>>>___

"Like a diaphanous nightgown, language both hides and reveals.  There is no
way of getting at the naked truth, even if it's wearing the Emperor's New
Clothes, or the Empress's New Clothos.  We follow our Mother Tongue into
her boudoir, anyway, hoping for a glimpse of something never yet beheld-and
come face to face with our own reflections in her most private mirror,
veiled meanings in a gossamer heap on the floor."     -Karen Elizabeth
Gordon


Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 09:55:14 +0100
From: Cord Walter (xeper@UNIXEN.HRZ.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE)
Subject: Re: Lush


Brian wrote:

> Don't you run that lush page? It's pretty good actually......
> Do you know when they'll get more on baby talk?

Well thanks. Always nice to here that...
I updated the Baby Talk info recently, but it always depends on what the
editor, David, sends me. Recently I got 4 Discs from him, but three of them
contained image files the Workstations here couldn't load ...

> Anyway where could I find the '88 demo? Do you know who sells it?

You could contact _reality_, the keeper of the discography. I send him a copy
for the now infamous _fLUSH_ compilation tape.

Qapla',
    cord

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         /


Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:06:10 +0100
From: Santiago Serna Yanyez (o0200@SOBRINO.EUI.UPM.ES)
Subject: Re: Charlatans Discography v1.2


yes, i want the Charlatans Discography, and send me adresses to contact with peo
le o
ple who can give me information about Blur, Oasis, Supergrass,, etc.
Thank You Erik.


Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:26:32 +0100
From: Tonny Mortensen (Tonny.Mortensen@STUD.OSIR.HIHM.NO)
Subject: Re: the two 4ad samplers


On Sat, 4 Nov 1995, Brant Dewdrops wrote:

> To eliminate any further confusion between the
> two most recent 4AD promo compilations, here are
> complete descriptions of each.
>
> Facing The Wrong Way
> (hereafter FTWW, cat.no. FTWW1, 13 TRACKS)
> Released in the UK only with a "buy one 4AD release
> from the back catalogue and get FTWW free" deal at certain stores.
> Digipak format, mostly pink and orange artwork showing a
> wierd burst of worm-like objects. The CD itself comes in
> two versions: plain orange, and a repeat of the design on the
> front cover. There has also been a wide variation noted in the
> how dark this second variety was printed. Design: Vaughan
> Oliver / v23. Assistance: Kees Hubers. Photography: Jason Love.
>
> ...think I'm getting the hang of it
> (hereafter TIGTHOI, cat.no.PRO-CD-7625, 9 TRACKS)
> Released in the US only as a giveaway at The
> Body Shop with a minimum purchase of $20 of
> their typically overpriced soap/bath/purfume
> related products. This is now finally available.
> The CD comes in one of those cheap cardboard sleeves,
> just like the No Balls sampler. The artwork is the
> "coffee grounds covering a moldy orange" design. Design:
> Vaughan Oliver at v23. Photography: Jason Love.
>
> Since the tracklistings are not identical, here's
> a breakdown of what's on what:
>
> Scheer - Take You Anywhere                              [FTWW]
> Scheer - Sometimes                                      [TIGTHOI]
> Throwing Muses - Snakeface                              [FTWW]
> Red House Painters - Summer Dress                       [FTWW]
> Red House Painters - Cabezon                            [TIGTHOI]
> Tarnation - The Well                                    [FTWW + TIGTHOI]
> Air Miami - You Sweet Little Heartbreake                [FTWW]
> Air Miami - Dolphin Expressway                          [TIGTHOI]
> Mojave - Love Songs On The Radio                        [FTWW]
> Belly - Super-Connected                                 [FTWW]
> The Wolfgang Press - Christianity (Wicked Man Remix)    [FTWW + TIGTHOI]
> Heidi Berry - Miracle (New Version)                     [FTWW + TIGTHOI]
> Lisa Gerrard - Sanvean                                  [FTWW + TIGTHOI]
> Liquorice - Cheap Cuts                                  [FTWW + TIGTHOI]
> Kendra Smith - Valley Of The Morning Sun                [FTWW + TIGTHOI]
> The Amps - Empty Glasses (4 track version)              [FTWW]

Anyone want to do a trade with me for this??
I'll send some cool norwegian music back...like
barbie bones, motorpsycho, kung fu girls etc.

Tonny
~Pixies~Sebadoh~Pavement~Nirvana~Polvo~JimiHendrix~
~BettieServeert~MadderRose~BestKissersInTheWorld~
~Ed'sRedeemingQualities~Breeders~ArchersOfLoaf~
~Motorpsycho~SilverJews~ToriAmos~SuddenlyTammy!~Phish~
~BarbieBones~Morphine~UrgeOverkill~JesusAndMaryChain~
       ~tonny.mortensen@stud.osir.hihm.no~


Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 04:07:16 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: BlackFrankBlackFrankBlack - Crap?


Ahem,

The other day I happened across (I think) his second LP (I can't remember what i
 was
called). It had a limited second 12" EP free, so I was tempted. I had a listen t
 it and
I must admit I thought it was tosh.  And I do like Pixies, so it's not him perso
ally
(Of course there is no Kim here). My question is: Is the LP with "Hang on to you
 ego"
similar to this (because I enjoyed the single releases). I would say equally bad
 but
each to his own, so I'm sure somebody out there enjoys his stuff.

I suppose as a die-hard Pixie fan I should enjoy it, but I just can't bring myse
f to....

Drowning in shit, from the evil sludge, deep in the bottomless pit  (Leather Str
p)
- Yes another Monday at work.

Chris - to stop lurking is to stop working, so here goes.
.

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:21:51 -0800
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: stina / stina / stina


> stina / stina / stina
>
> einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
> Sun, 5 Nov 1995 21:50:51 -0800
>
> The extra song on Little Star is AMAZING, not nice. :)

everytime i hear 'little star' (which, thankfully, isn't often) i get the
feeling that there are notes in it that only dogs can hear.

bought the cocteaus vs. seefeel on saturday and it's the best thing that
either the cocteaus or mark clifford have done for a long time especially
tracks 1 and 4. recycled symbol is a nice touch too.

the amps lp isn't bad either despite the fact that i have singles longer
than the entire lp.

andyx
(a.dean@uk22p.bull.co.uk)

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 06:54:04 -0800
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: "Fuck You Tiger"/"Star Me Kitten"




        Has anyone else noticed the similarity between the title
"Fuck You Tiger" and R.E.M.'s "Star Me Kitten" - sung as "Fuck Me Kitten"
in the song itsself?  Just an observation.

        David


Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 09:25:26 -0500
From: Steve Willett (willett@NI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Rest Of Joy Division

              <951102181440_11056458@mail04.mail.aol.com>

> this sounds as bad as the recent A Means to an End, covers of Joy Division
> songs.  btw, check out Evelyn McDonnell's recent article on the band and this
> horrible compilation in the November issue of Interview.

I actually like 'A Means to an End' alot.  The version of "Transmission"
by Low is absolutely amazing.  There are also good tracks from Kendra
Smith, Codeine, Starchildren (I know it's Billy Corgan ... but it's
really good), Girls Against Boys !!! and whoever does that sort of
ambient medley at the end of the disc.

Don't the sacredness of Joy Division scare you away from this
collection !!!


Steve @ Bedazzled


Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 09:36:25 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Seefeel and Cocteau Twins


  Yes, fellow listies, do not compare Seefeel and the Cocteau Twins:
Seefeel is easier far better than CT could ever hope to be.
 Come Alive =  one of the best songs ever?

******************************************************************************

                                   A.I.D.S.
              We are all infected because we are all affected.........

                                  *********
                     Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. soon@unm.edu
  MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
******************************************************************************

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 12:19:39 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: St. Ivo/Time Stereo galore


4AD attitude has always pretty much been based on the option of one
recording, then seeing how things work out. Most bands are free to walk at
any time and / or 4AD is free to drop them.<<<

Eric's response:       >>that's guernica, innit?<<

My answer:    No, Guernica is a label that licenses recordings for the U.K.
only by bands that are already on other labels. Until the second Insides
release, these releases were one-offs (which is why other Unrest releases
jumped to 4AD).

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:03:54 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Elysium


I received an order of a few things from Bedazzled mail-order last week,
and I'll probably do thumbnail reviews of the others when I get around to
listening to anything other than Elysium's "Glisten".  It's the the finest
post-Cocteaux album I've heard since the last Bel Canto or perhaps the
first Moon Seven Times, and definitely one of the best thislisty albums of
the year.

I, and likely you, have heard these sounds before:  Elysium has their
share of chorus and reverb pedals.  What distinguishes this album from
other attempts is the vocalist, a textured, sumptuous, mature alto whose
voice I relate to on an emotional level better than than the the airy
intonations of, say, Love Spirals Downward's singer, and the bands
tremendous gift for melancholy melodies which have lodged themselves in my
head for days.

Anyway, it's on listmember Brant Nelson's Dewdrops label.  Thanks Brant,
for bringing us such a gem.

Really hoping my discman's batteries don't die...

DSR

--
Computers are  /\  D. Stephen Roy  /\  Die in your thoughts
useless, they //\\ dsroy@rice.edu //\\    every morning and
can only give \\//                \\//   you will no longer
you answers.   \/  space for rent  \/  fear death: Hakakure


Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:28:49 +0100
From: Erik S|derstr|m (chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE)
Subject: Re: Charlatans Discography v1.2


It seems I was too fast on the keys when I wrote my address
when posting about the new version of the Charlatans Discography,
so here it is again, with the correct address.

The new version of the Charlatans discography (v1.2) is ready and
waiting for you to read it :). If you want a copy, please email me
(chief@lysator.liu.se) and you'll have a copy in your mailbox.

For those who want to be on the distribution list for the discography,
let me know (at the same address), and you'll receive new updates
as they are made.

 //Erik

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:01:07 -0500
From: rebecca fagan (rfagan@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: more cranes blab


>Yes, they have always been the two main members. In fact, the other two
>went and made their own album ...

really? what is this project called? is it out yet?

r

rebecca fagan
rfagan@tiac.net (try this one first)
fagan@pja-net.com

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 11:58:25 -0600
From: "Kendal..." (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: frazier chorus *Plus*

              at Nov 4, 95 01:00:17 pm

     A span of how many years are we dealing with here?
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
          *kendalwhoseoldsaved4ad-lstuffwentlost*



     "I do not think you can catch me, for I am super-freaky."


>
> i am interested in finding older frazier chorus on cd. (i.e. sloppy heart,
> etc).  thanks
>
> teho
>
> kk
>


Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:46:00 +0100
From: Katy Renick (katy.renick@STUDENT.UNI-TUEBINGEN.DE)
Subject: Re: The Greatest Cookie in the World (fwd)


hello. very sorry for posting the cookie story.  i thought it was funny
and might help some people out.  anyway, how do i get rid of it?  all i
did was send the damn thing.  can i erase it or something? (sorry)

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 21:55:59 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: The Greatest Cookie in the World (fwd)


On Sun, 5 Nov 1995 Initialboy@AOL.COM wrote:

> Three observations:
>
> 1. The Neiman-Marcus Cookie Story is a hoax.

That the cookies story is a hoak is a myth.

> 2. The Good Times virus is a hoax.

Not really. It works. It's just a different kind of virus. And you're
soaking in it.

I am writing to say again: PLEASE PUT THE COOKIE STORY IN THE FAQ. It has
now been posted to this list at least four times.

Anyway, fuck the Easter Bunny. :)

what, five months apart? Six? I still don't see what the fuss is about.
Mojave's sound is all over Pygmalion and Souvlaki.

 e

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:22:06 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: lonely may be an eyesore, but the teardrop explodes

              at Nov 4, 95 01:58:24 pm

Brant Dewdrops  wrote:
 >
 > Anyone else out there fans of The Teardrop Explodes?  I just dug
 > out my old vinyl copies of Kilimanjaro and Wilder and I must say
 > that these are two damn fine albums! I don't want to start a
 > whole discussion on them (well, maybe it *would* liven up the
 > list a bit...), but I was wondering what the 3rd TTE album
 > Everyone Wants To Shag...  is like, and is the compilation
 > called Piano worth owning?  Furthermore, are Julian Cope's early
 > solo albums any good?  Forget about everything from World Shut
 > Your Mouth onward...  I'm wondering about Fried and any others.

"Piano" is mostly (perhaps all) taken from crackly vinyl, and collects
the first few Teardrops singles before they signed to Mercury.
Interesting for fanatics, but most of the good songs were re-recorded
for the first album.  "Everybody Wants To Shag The Teardrop Explodes"
(the title which was originally going to be used for "Wilder") is a
collection of odds and ends - some tracks from the "You Disappear from
View" EP (their swansong, and 100% wonderful), a couple of old B-sides,
and some tracks from an unfinished third album which are not very good
- the sort of synthesiser pop which would have been very avant-garde in
the early eighties, but sounds terrible now.

Cope's early solo albums are great - "World Shut Your Mouth" (his first,
the song of that name is on "Saint Julian", album number three) is a
feast of English psychedelic pop, with "Oboe Kate StJohn" on woodwind,
some first-class songs (many of them Teardrops songs which never made it
onto TE recordings), and a generally consistent quality.  "Fried" is a
bit patchier, and he had overdone the chemical stimulation slightly, but
it's still very good.  The next couple ("St Julian" and "My Nation
Underground") were more conventional (and therefore worse).  I think "20
Mothers" (his latest) is the best he has done for a long time - probably
since "Peggy Suicide".  If anyone offers you "Queen Elizabeth", ask them
how much they are willing to pay you to take it off their hands - it's
*that* bad.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 06/11/95
On my walkman this morning : Spiritualized - Pure Phase
Was once, too, at the full, and round earth's shore


Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 11:22:37 -0800
From: Sharkless girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Bruce?!


You wrote:
>
>> Bruce?! There's no one in CW named Bruce. You mean Rob, Rob
Dickinson.
>> Bruce Dickinson is his uncle, the former singer of Iron Maiden.
Unless
>> there was something very strange going on at that show...
>
>        Aren't the two Dickinsons cousins? That's what I heard.
>
yes yes they are cousins, in my whipped up frenzy I goofed. OKAY, i
confess and my sentence started a long time ago.  I just serving out my
time.  Parole soon to come, so on the lookout for more human errors to
come your way soon.  euthelene, convicted human

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:05:26 -0500
From: KILLMESOON@AOL.COM
Subject: Joy Division sacred?


Referring to "A Means To An End":


>>Don't the sacredness of Joy Division scare you away from this collection
!!!<<

I'd have to say nope to that one. It is horrible to hear others cover their
songs though (i.e. Swans cover of "Love Will Tear Us Apart" circa 1988). Sort
of like hearing people do Cocteau Twins covers. Their songs, like Joy
Division's, are so completely their own. There's not much room for an artist
to bring enough of him/herself to it and make it their own [i.e. re-interpret
rather than (badly) re-hash.]

This collection is just really, really bad (especially Low's "Transmission"
which manages to defeat the purpose of the song entirely). The Peter Saville
sleeve and the Tony Wilson liner notes still were not enough to keep me from
getting rid of this poop (and I quite like Versus).

Phil

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:17:17 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: guernica. . .


>Eric's response:       >>that's guernica, innit?<<
>
>My answer:    No, Guernica is a label that licenses recordings for the U.K.
>only by bands that are already on other labels.

spoonfed hybrid didn't have another contract.  neither did insides, neither
did bettie serveert (they were later signed by matador, and the album was
re-released), neither did underground lovers (i think), but they were later
signed as well.

besides does guernica still exist?  (looks at ivo/strick9)

bye,

eric

"watch me fall apart, but leave me with my heart."


Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 11:48:10 -0800
From: "J. Tan" (easu447@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Cranes (again)


While we're on the subject of the Crane's, I just wish that the
darn 'Sartre' work will be released sometime soon...last i heard it
was caught in a licensing matter with the Sartre foundation of some sort.

Anyone have any info about this?

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:48:31 -0500
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: frazier chorus


i looooooooove old frazier chorus!  the sloppy heart 12" is the greatest
thing in the world, the version of "typical" is my favorite thing by them
ever...i have it on vinyl though, and they have a bit of f.c. vinyl in
new york.  at rebel rebel they do have "sue" on cd, which is like $25 i
think...i can get it for you if yer interested...

lorraine

On Sat, 4 Nov 1995, Kevhin Kean wrote:

> i am interested in finding older frazier chorus on cd. (i.e. sloppy heart,
> etc).  thanks
>
> teho
>
> kk
>

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 17:06:01 -0500
From: Rodney Rodriguez (ItsonlyRod@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Otherness


Stumbled accross "otherness" on 12" vinyl the other day.  Is there a 2x7"
version as well?  Just wondering.........


later,
Rod


Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:25:16 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: more cranes blab


>Yes, they have always been the two main members. In fact, the other
two
>went and made their own album because Jim and Ali allowed them NO
>creative input whatsoever.


do you know what this is called, i would be interested in picking it
up.

>Does the Cranes list still exist?

i'm not sure, i tried subscribing once, but it said that the list
didn't exist.... i was going to get a list of all of the mailing lists
on the listserv but the Web page i got the listserv address from is no
longer there. shrug. i would like to be on it myself, if it still
existed....


                                -robert.


Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:54:00 EST
From: Rob Galgano (0005338863@MCIMAIL.COM)
Subject: a CD sale


If you see anything you like, please write to YCDWorse@aol.com (not to the


Section 25              The Key Of Dreams               $15
Vapourspace             Gravitational Arch Of 10        $6
Juno Reactor            Transmissions                   $8
The Birthday Party      Hits                            $9
Various Artistes        Dedicated sampler               $5
(Cranes, Butterfly Child, This Picture - 8 or 9 tracks total)
Red House Painters      Ocean Beach                     $9
His Name Is Alive       King Of Sweet (numba 0276)      $20

(and god forgive me)

Consolidated            The Myth Of Rock
                        Friendly Fascism
                        Play More Music                 $8 each
NIN                     The Downward Spiral             $9
                        March Of The Pigs               $6
                        Broken                          $9
                        Fixed                           $15

Again, offers to YCDWorse@aol.com only. Postage is a little bit extra.

Bless your little Rilkean hearts,
Rob Galgano

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:58:12 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Elysium


        Thanks for this input. I have just today sent off an order for
this album, and look forward to getting it. What about the other Dewdrops
artists? How do they rank? And BTW, on Brant Nelson's "Dewdrops" web
page, only Elysium, Orange, Hover, and "Thurtene" are listed. Are those
really the *only* releases on that label?

________________________________________________________________________
= "The kids of today should defend ) "So we're complicated, so what?"  =
= themselves against the 70's!"    (  - His Name Is Alive, "Why People =
=  - Mike Watt                     )    Disappear"                     =
========================================================================
= "If life is a performance, and I am not an actor, am I supposed to   =
= lay down and die?" - Juliana Hatfield                                =
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:42:17 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: the sinking of the titantic


On Sun, 5 Nov 1995, einexile the meek wrote:

> And while I'm writing to both 4ad-l and ambient@hyperreal, who mentioned
> The Sinking of the Titantic, and what exactly was said? This was quite
> some time ago but I recall being intrigued. Who and where is this track
> and can someone maybe tell me if I will like it? I think it was compared
> to Harold Budd or the more ominous Aphex Twin material or some such.

i'm not sure you will like it.  it's a work by gavin bryars. (i'm told
there's also aphextwin remixes of it.)  basically it's superminimalist
classical stuff w/some ambient washy-ness.  it doesn't change at
all.....well, at least not noticably.  the coolest thing about it is that
when i listen to it i always fall asleep and then wake up superdisoriented,
because the same string melody is playing. (in other words, it feels like
time has stopped)

anxiously awaiting e's updated fax review (and a few other things for
that matter, not that anyone seems to care......)

        .yesimstillouthere.....mark.


Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:55:30 -0600
From: John Roseborough (jrose@AUSTIN.METROWERKS.COM)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo Cassette thingees


>I posted something here a few days ago about this, but no one responded.
>Does anyone still have the list of Time Stereo cassettes that are available?
>I remember it being posted about a month ago, but I accidentally deleted my
>copy.  If anyone still has a copy of this list, could you please mail it to me?
>
>Thanks,
>Jake

others may need this too so i'm sending it to the whole list.

from a digital packrat and closet hnia fan............ john

_______________________________________________________________________

Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 11:09:30 -0800
From: Jeffrey Reid (jgreid@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: HNIA & related tape releases


Hello,
        I own and operate Isomorphic Records, and we recently released a
CD compilation with a Princess Dragon-Mom & a Dead His Name Is Alive
track.  I have been asked by Davin (from the group) to post this list of
HNIA related tapes that his small tape label 'Time Stereo' has
available.  If you are interested in these tapes you must contact him
directly, I cannot take orders and forward them to him since he currently
has no net access.  If you are interested in our CD then email me
privatly for more information.

-------------------------------------------------------
Time Stereo Catalog

Time Stereo
28143 W. Eight Mile Rd.
Livonia, MI
48152

1 ESP-Summer (w/Ian Masters)
2 ESP-Beetles "With The" (Warren: Vocal, Gutiar)
3 ESP-Beetles "Live ESP" (Warren: Vocal, Guitar)
4 ESP-Family (communist folk songs; Warren: Vocal, Guitar)
5 New Grape (Noise & Pop; Warren: Remix)
6 His Name Is Alive "Live in Mexico"

All tapes are side A only (45 min)
except ESP-Beetles "With The" is both sides (60 min)
Tapes are $4.50 ppd. in U.S.


Princess Dragon-Mom material is available elsewhere:

"The Real Folk Blues" CS on G.R.O.S.S.
"Honey Moon" CS (comes in a waterbottle) on Square D.
"Library Girl" EP on Alley-Sweeper
"Theme For Food" compilation track on Isomorphic CD001
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey G. Reid                                              Isomorphic Records
Co-Owner Isomorphic Records                                  17709 108th Ave SE
jgreid@stein.u.washington.edu                                Renton, Wa.  98055

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 19:00:18 -0500
From: Kevhin Kean (Spider1327@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: frazier chorus *Plus*


The albums I am interested in are as follows:



I am not sure they were ever released on disc.  I have a copy of Sloppy Heart
on vinyl.
Thanks for all of your help!

teho-

kk


Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:05:48 CST
From: ariane181@DALLAS.EMAIL.NET
Subject: the two 4ad samplers

              <199511060654.WAA01686@jeeves.usfca.edu>

you're not alone in your search for the body shop 4ad sampler! :) here in the
dallas/ fort worth area, all i receive is looks of bewilderment!

janice ariane

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:47:46 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cranes (again)


On Mon, 6 Nov 1995, J. Tan wrote:

> While we're on the subject of the Crane's, I just wish that the

The Crane's _what_?

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:56:11 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: miami liquorice


Can someone give a brief history of Paula Toomey and her connection to
Phil Krauth and Mark Robinson?  I hear they were all involved in the DC
punk scene somehow??

Strick9

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 20:09:10 -0400
From: bruce levenstein (bruceL@INTERRAMP.COM)
Subject: Re: a CD sale


>If you see anything you like, please write to YCDWorse@aol.com (not to the

>His Name Is Alive       King Of Sweet (numba 0276)      $20
>


i'll take the HNIA king of sweet. consider it sold (if i'm first to bite,
that is.)

-bruce

 ---------------------------------------------
 |   A is for AMY who fell down the stairs.  |
 ---------------------------------------------
 | bruce levenstein     brucel@interramp.com |
 ---------------------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 19:19:53 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: stina / stina / stina


On Mon, 6 Nov 1995, Andrew Dean wrote:

> everytime i hear 'little star' (which, thankfully, isn't often) i get the
> feeling that there are notes in it that only dogs can hear.

Really? What do they sound like?

 e


Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 19:46:35 -0500
From: Edward Pak (ep2j+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU)
Subject: SOME CDs for sale


Tarnation : Gentle Creatures  $8

Heidi Berry : Love   $10

Curve : Horror Head EP $3

The Durutti Column : Vini Reilly  $9

Channel Light Vessel : Automatic  $8

East Ash : Ellie  $7

Big Hat : Inamorata  $8

Eden : Healingbow EP $4  (6 tracks)

Clan of Xymox : Medusa  $10

New Order : Brotherhood  $8

The glee club : mine  $5  (promo print on cover)

Colin Newman : provisionally entitled the singing fish / not to  $5
    25 tracks   (promo - holed punched through cover)

------------------------------------------------

shipping on any size order : $1.25

-eddie

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 19:34:42 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: OOH an apostrophe flame! :)


On Mon, 6 Nov 1995, Heffalump wrote:

> On Mon, 6 Nov 1995, J. Tan wrote:
>
> > While we're on the subject of the Crane's, I just wish that the
>
> The Crane's _what_?

Okay, let's be *completely* petty...

>   "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
>  life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."
                            ^
                            ^
                            ^
                          THIS
                       should not be
                         a semicolon! :p


 hahahahahahahaha

 strunky elixenie


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