Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 20:47:41 -0800
Sorry if you've seen this one too many times, but I
want to make sure it's known that Elysium is playing at
the Whiskey on Monday, Nov 6. Admission is free for 21+,
$3 for 20-. The other bands playing are Lava Diva, The Devics,
Twig, Blinker Star, and Eye TV. Elysium expects to play
2nd, at 8:45. With the number of bands playing, it'll
probably be a short set.
Dewdrops makes it to AP!
Check out the most recent issue
(Oasis cover) on p.113. We're thrilled! A review of
_Glisten_ is coming up next month.
Orange is reviewed in Underscope.
Reviewed by Jiji Johnson
"The Innocence Mission, the Cocteau Twins, and a 2 1/2
year old girl singing her ABC's as translated by a pre-
pubescent girl might...sort of explain this. Its dizzy
brilliance is ethereal, not haunting. It's birds and sweets.
What's more grand is the shapeshifter geography it creates.
Words and meaning hide, coy, underneath the gauze and gamine.
It's sensory overload, like the colour/sound/taste/touch
inherent in the word Orange."
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 15:05:23 +0900
\100 = $ 1 US in these days.
so \2500 will be about $ 25, but you will need some exchange cost and
postage to send the postal money order for me.
At 11:12 AM 95.11.4 -0500, John B. Jones wrote:
>>I have some copy of Spoonfed Hybrid JP version cd for sale.
>>It has two extra track : messrs hyde : bullets and bees
>>It is \2500 and postage will be \400 or so.
>I am sure you will get many responses to this posting, but I was curious
>how much \2500 is in US dollars.
Maoko & Masaya Toyokawa
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 00:51:23 -0600
>Hmmmm... got this weird message after posting to the list...anyone know
>what's going on??
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>User "multiple" does not exist on this system.
Nope, I got four or five of them once, i just deleted them.
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 01:31:34 -0800
On Sat, 4 Nov 1995, Robert Pietrusko wrote:
> he is on "loved," he writes *all* of the music for CRANES and he is
> still in the band. it's kind of like he writes the music, and she
> writes the lyrics.
Actually, it is pretty clear that Alison is also writing the music now.
The instrumentals on Shining Road are credited to both of them and the
style of the vocal melodies changed drastically on Loved while there was
no much shift in the rest of their music. Also, they are known to fight
together over the lyrics, so even though Alison is known to write the
lyrics, that Jim has input there means that their definition of "___ by"
is pretty liberal.
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 01:44:53 -0800
On Sat, 4 Nov 1995, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:
> For all you fans of Seefeel...get a clue, folks! Seefeel is a great
> ambient group, but do not compare them with the Cocteau Twins. I think were
> talking, apple and oranges. I recently bought the
> Seefeel album, Quique. I listen to a lot of trip-hop and ambient music.
> The vocalist on Seefeel doesn't even come close to the diversity of vocal
> sounds as the Cocteau Twins. I say to all of you
> listen before you leap to expressions of comparisons.
Um. Uh. We have all been listening to Seefeel for three years. I say to
you, read your mail and give us the benefit of the doubt that we have
actually heard the bands we are discussing.
Anyway, everything good is apples and oranges. The rest is written off as
copyist. The Cocteaus are hardly undeserving of criticism and Seefeel
have offered some of the most innovative, beautiful, complex, and well
crafted music in recent years. It may also interest you that Seefeel have
not recorded a new vocal track since 1993. No one credits Sarah Peacock
with being a great singer, and what you're hearing on Starethrough and
Succour are looped samples. Clifford has however done more with Peacock's
voice than Liz has (with the exception of Lifeforms 1-7) done with her own
You can take your foot out of your mouth any time now!
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 15:27:16 +0100
> At least I hope she doesn't self-destruct on the verge of greatness like the
> cranes did. :\ (btw, anyone notice that the piano player on the first two
> cranes cds is listed as Jim Shaw? Is he alison's brother/husband? Did they
> divorce? Is she single? :) :) Is he even related to her? I noticed he's
> not on "loved" and there's NO piano. I think his talent is sorely missed on
> that one--maybe it was he who maintained that delicate balance of piano and
I interviewed the cranes for my school paper when they toured for "Loved."
Jim Shaw is Alison's brother...and he is on the "Loved" album.
He writes all the music for the band, although at their live shows he only
plays drums. By the way, the cranes have not self-destructed and Jim's
talent is not missed because he never left.
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 09:57:22 -0500
>>So...if you're obsessing, then you won't mind me pointing out that Jim
>>McPherson didn't play on Pod. He didn't join the Breeders until AFTER
Then who did play drums on Pod?
>> I thought they'd broken up last year, or something about Sarah Cracknell
>> leaving for a solo career. Anyone?
>She wasn't part of the band to begin with, so she can leave without doing
>much damage. Personally I preferred the girl who sang on their first
>single. (Who and where is she? Is she for sale??)
I suppose you're referring to Donna Savage, who sang on the single version
of "Kiss And Make Up". She went back to New Zealand after her collaboration
with Pete and Bob fell apart. She is/was in a band there named Look Blue Go
>At least I hope she doesn't self-destruct on the verge of greatness like the
>cranes did. :\ (btw, anyone notice that the piano player on the first two
>cranes cds is listed as Jim Shaw? Is he alison's brother/husband? Did they
>divorce? Is she single? :) :) Is he even related to her? I noticed he's
>not on "loved" and there's NO piano.
"Self-destruct"? Do you mean that they split up? When did this happen, if at
all? Jim Shaw is, as others have already pointed out, her brother - the two
of them have been the nucleus of the band from the beginning, so it would
certainly be a big deal if he left. Which I don't think he did, since he
still has the songwriting credits on "Loved" and as far as I can tell, he's
in one of the liner photos. Perhaps they decided to get rid of the piano -
it always sounded dinky and synthy to me.
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 10:09:13 -0500
>To eliminate any further confusion between the
>two most recent 4AD promo compilations, here are
>complete descriptions of each.
>...think I'm getting the hang of it
>(hereafter TIGTHOI, cat.no.PRO-CD-7625, 9 TRACKS)
>Released in the US only as a giveaway at The
>Body Shop with a minimum purchase of $20 of
>their typically overpriced soap/bath/purfume
>related products. This is now finally available.
>The CD comes in one of those cheap cardboard sleeves,
>just like the No Balls sampler. The artwork is the
>"coffee grounds covering a moldy orange" design. Design:
>Vaughan Oliver at v23. Photography: Jason Love.
How many of you have actually been able to obtain this at your local Body
Shop? I keep dropping by there every couple of weeks to check on
availability of the CD, and they NEVER know what I am talking about. Am I
missing something here? Was it just for Body Shops in the Los Angeles area
John B. Jones e-mail: [email protected]
"You know Bootleg Sal used to live crosstown,
The law went there and they closed him down,
Now you can't get that stuff no more." -Tampa Red & Georgia Tom, 1932
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 17:53:25 +0200
On Thu, 2 Nov 1995, J Beswick (c.l.g.e.) wrote:
> Start a label! You could call it twee
> records or something :) :) :)
But Brant already has tweeness sewn up with Dewdrops. Any more twee
and we'd be listening to nursery rhymes.
[wishing Brant and Pat could get Dewdrops more widely distributed]
-- Andras Salamon [email protected]
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 18:03:39 +0200
On Sat, 4 Nov 1995, einexile the meek wrote:
> 2. Has anyone got Stina Nordenstam's singles for So This Is Goodbye or
> Something Nice? Are there any non-album tracks to be had? I can't for
> the life of these find these and I absolutely *love* her. :( Help!
Something Nice has one non-album track. I don't have STIG, but I do
have a promo for Little Star which also has a non-album track.
Both the tracks are rather nice.
[wishing there was time to get the album scans to more manageable size]
-- Andras Salamon [email protected]
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 11:19:42 -0500
Just thought some of you on the list might be interested in knowing that Jane
Siberry will be performing here in Detroit on Tuesday (Nov. 7th) at the
Majestic on Gratiot.
I know it's a bit late notice, but I myself just found out 30 minutes ago.
Hope someone here on the list goes... be sure to give a review!
-The Blue Bell's Knoll
"Me not allowed? Why, I'm allowed everywhere!" -the Doctor
P.S. Don't forget to vote Tuesday!
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 18:18:57 +0100
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Eat some cookies girls..... :)
DENNIS D BELROSE
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA AT SANTA BARBARA
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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 15:54 -0800 (PST)
This may be apocryphal, but if it's true it's great paybk. .
This message is sent to you with the hope you will forward it to
EVERYONE you have ever even seen the e-mail address of. In the spirit of
the originator,please feel free to post it anywhere and everywhere.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Okay, everyone....a true story of justice in the good old U.S. of A.
Thought y'all might enjoy this; if nothing else, it shows internet
justice, if it can be called that.
My daughter & I had just finished a salad at Neiman-Marcus Cafe
in Dallas & decided to have a small dessert. Because our family are
such cookie lovers, we decided to try the "Neiman-Marcus Cookie". It
was so excellent that I asked if they would give me the recipe and
they said with a small frown, "I'm afraid not." Well, I said,
would you let me buy the recipe? With a cute smile, she said,
"Yes." I asked how much, and she responded, "Two fifty." I said
with approval, just add it to my tab.
Thirty days later, I received my VISA statement from Neiman-Marcus and it
was $285.00. I looked again and I remembered I had only spent $9.95 for
two salads and about $20.00 for a scarf. As I glanced at the bottom of the
statement, it said, "Cookie Recipe - $250.00." Boy, was I upset!! I called
Neiman's Accounting Dept. and told them the waitress said it was "two
fifty," and I did not realize she meant $250.00 for a cookie recipe.
I asked them to take back the recipe and reduce my bill and they
said they were sorry, but because all the recipes were this expensive so
not just everyone could duplicate any of our bakery recipes....the bill
I waited, thinking of how I could get even or even try and get any of my
I just said, "Okay, you folks got my $250.00 and now I'm going
to have $250.00 worth of fun." I told her that I was going to see to it
that every cookie lover will have a $250.00 cookie recipe from
Neiman-Marcus for nothing. She replied, "I wish you wouldn't do this." I
said, "I'm sorry but this is the only way I feel I could get even," and I
So, here it is, and please pass it to someone else or run a few
copies....I paid for it; now you can have it for free.
(Recipe may be halved.):
2 cups butter 4 cups flower
2 tsp. soda 2 cups sugar
5 cups blended oatmeal** 24 oz. chocolate chips
2 cups brown sugar 1 tsp. salt
1 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated) 4 eggs
2 tsp. baking powder 3 cups chopped nuts (your choice)
2 tsp. vanilla
** measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder.
Cream the butter and both sugars. Add eggs and vanilla;
mix together with flour, oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and
soda. Add chocolate chips, Hershey Bar and nuts. Roll into
balls and place two inches apart on a cookie sheet. Bake
for 10 minutes at 375 degrees. Makes 112 cookies.
Have fun!!! This is not a joke --- this is a true story..
That's it. Please, pass it along to everyone you know, single
people, mailing lists, etc.....
Ride free, citizen!
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 12:53:46 -0500
1. The Neiman-Marcus Cookie Story is a hoax.
2. The Good Times virus is a hoax.
3. The Easter Bunny is a hoax.
And at the same time, there was what Vonnegut had said about Foma, so...
there you go.
ob4ad-l - Mojave 3: The notion of Halstead and Co. doing these country-esque
sad luuuurv ballads only slightly reeks of some sort of cultural slumming
(i.e. Jon Spencer and the whole Pussy Galore experience), but I've gotten
really fond of the album. However, I do wonder what these songs might have
sounded like if "Slowdive"-era Slowdive had tackled them.
"They all sound like Cocteau Twins wanna-be's!"
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 19:17:35 +0100
excuse me, but could someone help me with some technical stuff here? i'm
also on the cocteau twins list, but the mail i send isn't getting
through. any ideas?
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 21:01:05 +0100
> Is this double Joy Division remix album for real? I read it on
>the New Order list and thought it was a joke, and now it appears on the
>4AD list. Where did you get your information? I could swallow NO 'Rest
>of', because they played the dance/pop game, but Joy Division's remix
> Is it true? What is your source for this information?
It IS a joke. Maybe my posting was a bit confusing. I read it on the NO/JD
And of course 'Sister Ray' isn't a JD track.
News is however that Factory Once/London are planning a Joy Division CD-ROM
and a boxed set including some unreleased recording (as opposed to tracks).
Let's hope they finally put out the Genetic Demos, recorded with producer
Martin Rushent in March 1979.
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 15:59:04 -0500
at Nov 4, 95 03:35:22 pm
I also just picked up a copy (import) of the Otherness CD. Most
excellent ambient excursion for the Twins. I can only hope to hear more
in this vein on the upcoming full-length CD.
If any of you out there thought that perhaps Robin and Liz's recently
found parenthood had driven them into the land of adult contemporary
with Twinlights, have no fear at all. This just continues to prove that
they remain one of the most creative bands around. (By the way, I
thought Twinlights did not deserve all the negativity.)
Otherness reminds me of Slowdive. What can I say? Listen and enjoy.
You may recall the Slowdive 'In Mind' ep. But it's better...
Sorry, Ivo. You really let a good thing go and now you're drowning in
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 13:34:12 -0800
> News is however that Factory Once/London are planning a Joy Division CD-ROM
> and a boxed set including some unreleased recording (as opposed to tracks).
> Let's hope they finally put out the Genetic Demos, recorded with producer
> Martin Rushent in March 1979.
Yes, I've been hoping for the genetic demos also, but I've always
had the impression it wasn't Factory's choice, like the tapes are
still sitting on some shelf in Genetic studios or something. I
don't believe Factory had anything to do with the peel sessions
being released. After Still was released, Factory claimed no
"tracks" had been left unreleased. This does not count songs that
were recorded before they were signed to Factory because "All Of
This For You" has still never been officially released. So when I
hear them talk about unreleased recordings, I think of new live
tracks instead of demos. It will probably be a letdown though if
this is the case because it will probably just be stuff from
the Amsterdam show, and everyone has that already. What I would
like to hear is the three days of shows that "Sister Ray" came
from. Wasn't that at Eric's? If anyone has that, can I please have
a copy? :) It would also be nice to hear the Joy Division demos for
"Ceremony" and "In A Lonely Place" (yes they do exist--or at least
Hmm, I thought I stopped caring about this stuff a few years ago...
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 07:59:26 +0900
I didn't mean to post to the list.
Maoko & Masaya Toyokawa
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 15:05:46 -0800
I'm talking about the first track on Excusions in Ambience: The Second
Orbit, "No One in the World" by WFO. Is this a This Mortal Coil sample
here? It souns like one but I can't place the source. The lyric, for the
/ Nowhere in this where could there be a love as pure as my love." Who
is/are WFO, anyway? This is a killer song.
And while I'm writing to both 4ad-l and ambient@hyperreal, who mentioned
The Sinking of the Titantic, and what exactly was said? This was quite
some time ago but I recall being intrigued. Who and where is this track
and can someone maybe tell me if I will like it? I think it was compared
to Harold Budd or the more ominous Aphex Twin material or some such.
Thanks and thanks,
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 17:43:17 -0700
> Then who did play drums on pod?
Britt Walford, then of the Louisville band Slint, under a pseudonym.
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:55:15 -0500
""No One in the World" by WFO. Is this a This Mortal Coil sample here? "
I don't know if TMC sampled it, but the original lyric is from "Hurting
Each Other" by the Carpenters.
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 21:00:03 -0500
>How many of you have actually been able to obtain this at >your local Body
>Shop? I keep dropping by there every couple of weeks to >check on
>availability of the CD, and they NEVER know what I am talking >about. Am I
>missing something here? Was it just for Body Shops in the >Los Angeles area
I had called the Body Shop's 1-800 number back in August to ask about the
release of the disc, and they explained that although at that time plans
weren't solidified, it was likely that it would be a west-coast only
phonomenon. I've called Baltimore area stores to no avail.
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 02:57:21 +0100
The new version of the Charlatans discography (v1.2) is ready and
waiting for you to read it :). If you want a copy, please email me
([email protected]) and you'll have a copy in your mailbox.
For those who want to be on the distribution list for the discography,
let me know (at the same address), and you'll receive new updates
as they are made.
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 19:02:56 -0800
>On Sat, 4 Nov 1995, Robert Pietrusko wrote:
>> he is on "loved," he writes *all* of the music for CRANES and he is
>> still in the band. it's kind of like he writes the music, and she
>> writes the lyrics.
>Actually, it is pretty clear that Alison is also writing the music
>The instrumentals on Shining Road are credited to both of them and the
>style of the vocal melodies changed drastically on Loved while there
>no much shift in the rest of their music. Also, they are known to
>together over the lyrics, so even though Alison is known to write the
>lyrics, that Jim has input there means that their definition of "___
>is pretty liberal.
true, true.... the main point i was trying to get across was that
alison and jim were the main members, though i was not aware that
alison was now writing lyrics aswell. shrug. close enough :)