Subject: Re: wanted: seefeel succour
Subject: this is how you save 4 a d
Subject: Re: In defence of Scheer
Subject: Re: How to save 4AD/the amps
Subject: Re: The Amps
Subject: Re: How to save 4AD/the amps
Subject: Re: Mark K. / Caroline Records (Idaho) / Bettie Seveert /
Subject: 4AD Calendar/etienne/EOST/morricone
Subject: Re: this is how you save 4 a d
Subject: milk and kisses
Subject: Re: Bought out? Controlled? Did I miss something? (fwd)
Subject: Bruce?!/long EPs/projekt calls itself goth
Subject: Re: Bruce?!
Subject: Re: Bought out? Controlled? Did I miss something? (fwd)
Subject: yet another auction
Subject: Re: 1996 V23 - 4AD Calendar
Subject: Bauhaus
Subject: Re: The Rest Of Joy Division
Subject: 4ad-jp
Subject: Re: EOST
Subject: (Re: etienne) & (Otherness)
Subject: Re: JD & St.Et.
Subject: Re: Mark K. / Caroline Records (Idaho) / Bettie Seveert /
Subject: Mark K. / Caroline Records (Idaho) / Bettie Seveert /
Subject: Re: (Re: etienne) & (Otherness)
Subject: Re: Elysium
Subject: CD sale
Subject: Dust Brothers
Subject: Re: Bruce?!
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 23:22:40 -0500
>>>>>if anyone has a copy of seefeel's succour cd they'd like to sell, let me
know.
-bruce<<<<<
I know I mention this 'CDNow' thing alot, but, you can get it at
Got mine there. Succour is quite different from Quique; no quitar effects or
Sarah's quiet mumblings. This is more techno-ambient-dub. Lots of loops and
blissed-out atmospherics.
neil
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 20:56:28 -0800
it starts like this...
* put me in charge.
* put spiral in v23.
* sign extreme noise outfits from MI and clear out all the old 4ad
fans, then start from scratch and look for the less extreme-noise
talent {unless Warren, god of food consumption and all things
nonsensical, is involved}.
* hire einexile to do marketing and public relations.
* sign brad laner, just for the hell of it. who cares if he already has
a contract with other people. {another fanbase overhaul manuever, seeing
as how most li'l 4ad snoots don't like medicine. slick, ain't i?}
* give all demo tapes and possible release stuff to jOHN...let his
gemini traits pick and choose what is acceptable {tho i, being in
charge, have the final say and depending on feminine mood swings...
taurus bullheadedness...tidal pulls...bloating, sign whatever the
hell seems ok at the time. *warning..this may actually be what ol'
Ivo W-R is doing now*}.
* through extreme pressuring, mind control, and bribery..have vaughan
oliver do more art related merchandise and material..completely
separate from the music release artwork...inevitable goal is to
make 4ad a graphic art and design label, with a lil musical offshoot
thingy...
* find kurt ralske. sell him my soul in exchange for his musical abilities.
or maybe just sell him my soul, just to say i got to meet the li'l dude...
* fire bev chin.
* buy a snoopy snow cone machine and put it next to a mega-heavy duty
espressocappucoffeemocha machine monster. hey, the music biz is tough,
baby. sometimes you just gotta have a homemade snow cone after a hard
day's work...
* make the US promo goodies just that....GOODIES. none of this hard to find,
buy this and get that BS. sure, it costs money, but screw it. we're 4ad!!!
* marry lisa marie presley and kill OJ. it'll get the label attention, and
create a world wide media overload. 4ad will be evening news fodder for
the next 10 years... {ok, that's just silly...}
* new label logo will be tiny pictures of my pets.
* funky design staple for all releases will be my li'l "....blah blah
blah....." end-of-message .sigs. a different one for each release, worked
into the art in some way, shape, or form...
* a real, up and running internet communique with 4ad staff..people who
actually read and respond to all the e-mail questions and post TIMELY
news bulletins. even geekoid computer fans need to have updated info
on releases, tours, etc. throw in free seedy gossip as a bonus perk...
* 4ad condoms. it's a marketing thing. safe sex is "in". make 'em glo-in-the-
dark...2 free with each cd. the kids will go nuts.
have a nice day,
k-j
...is it abnormal to have a severe stiff neck for 4 weeks?...
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 20:57:27 -0800
>>Sorry Phil, from what I've heard from them the Amps are pish (and I like
>>milk). I'm almost undoubtedly in a minority here, but I didn't care much
>>for the Pixies either. Prefered the Breeders by a mile, and since Black
>>Francis/Frank Black's stuff was cack too, I assumed it was just down to
>>that fat git... Not so sure now. Horrible noise.
> I, being a firm believer in free speech, fully support your right to
> publicly display you ignorance and lack of musical taste, however I must
> point out that the Pixies are far closer to divinity than Ivo ever will be
> (he's a nice guy and everything, but still)
And furthermore, Frank Black is brilliant, definitely not "cack".
I hope he finds a label soon.
= "Wake up, see \ If there's no God, why + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists? + dread the due changes =
= done is done..." \ -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..." =
= -Ride: "Today" / Ontological Proof + -Red House Painters =
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 23:59:23 -0500
>Hey, with that kind of talent you could just reorganize into a polka band.
>Cause despite what anyone says, polka is the thing that will _really_ save
>4AD...
4AD? The world, natch. ;)
Cheers,
hk
[insert subtle plug for Lozenge - the missing link between japcore bombast
and polka oom-pah]
--
"Ivo Watts-Russell? No, we meant Ivo Papasov!"
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 09:29:01 +0000
Heading 1. - The Amps
I wasn't won over by Tipp City. I thought very crap production and songs.
But it is interesting to note that the British press are singing their
praise. Whilst they don't think Pacer is a brilliant record many have
given it 4/5. They also reckon its one of those records that make a
refreshing change to the 'Britpop' stuff that all the rage here.
I read somewhere that Tipp City is the best pop record this year.
In this month's select there is news that Kelley deal has a new project
with a guy from The Grifters (Dave Grifter). The Amps drummer has heard
it and reckons its quite good. The Amps are also going back to the studio
quite soon to do more stuff and also there will be some more stuff by the
breeders in the future.
H'y
'H' Cambridge
Stockholm Environment Institute at York
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:44:03 +0100
>3. Attract all sorts of strange new young bands who want to be just like my
>band (The kumQuats) only they want to play the tuba.
Why tuba? Why not the oboe? I have a friend who has a friend who plays the
oboe in a band called Oboe-Cop. I'm sure they'd fit the bill. Um, how about
a Tex-Mex oboe-fronted band.... Los Oboes?
[Hats off to Liz the Wind-Up Girl for the oboe jokes.]
------------------------
hey, man, the tuba is WAY different than the oboe (but i still like them
both!). either way is good for me........
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 22:38:11 -0800
1, 95 06:54:26 pm
So...if you're obsessing, then you won't mind me pointing out that Jim
McPherson didn't play on Pod. He didn't join the Breeders until AFTER
Safari.
Just being anal.
Rick
>
> "YOU
> >FUCKIN' DIE!" routine, and "Josephine, do ya think yer goin' bald?" in
> >The Breeders' _Pod_ (it's kind of quiet, listen for it right before
> >"Metal Man", I think).
>
> Actually it's at the end of happyness is a warm gun it goes something like thi
>
> Jim: Josephine, do ya think you're going bald?
>
> Joesphine: now you asked me that before, and the answer is no!
> (laughter in backround)
>
> Not that I obsess much or anything
> mike
>
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:17:27 GMT
-0500 <9752132001111995/A02873/ADMIN/119B0D0D2C00*@MHS>
marvynHortman wrote:
>..and why isn't St. Etienne a 4ad artist? Those samples they use fit right in
>with Colourbox. I really REALLY like "so tough". Much better than "Fox Base
>Alpha"; although I do LOVE the line:
>
>"where am i from? I'm from the united states of KISS MY ASS!"
>
>Anybody know where that line is from?
It's from that film with Joe Mantegna (I think he says the line) about the
con artists. It's adapted from a David Mamet play, I think. Is it called
"House of Cards"?
Simon Hughes
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 01:47:49 -0500
>> * fire bev chin. <<
Why this? I met her once as she was really nice. She introduced me to
Kristin Hersh, which places her into a saint-like catagory to me...
Haven't been to the record store this week yet...anyone know if her (KH, not
BC.) christmas single on Ryko came out on schedule, or was it delayed?
Keith
Bugg Out
"The wind was burning holes into my skin/Where does a body end?" - M. Gira
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 12:43:33 +0100
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 12:34:26 +0100 (MEZ)
hello.
i'm in germany. does anyone know the release date for out here?
thanks.
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 12:30:51 +0100
>If 4AD has to be distributed in America by corporate dollars, and that's
>the only way I can get my LG and DCD then I'll probably do it, corporate
>swine that I am.
My background is in Economics. The issue as a consumer is to maximize my
pleasure for the least amount of bucks. I don't know if you noticed, but
when 4AD finally got together with those "Corporate" entities, prices for
domestically back catalog CDs were lower in price, i.e., Cocteau Twins.
I think imports are the biggest rip-off in the record industry. Its bad
enough that new CDs cost 12.98 and up, but to add tariff costs to CDs
that could easily be made domestic makes me fume.
Thoughts for the day.
Fred Collins
---------------------------
you think that's bad! man, i just moved to germany, and the prices here
are just OUTRAGEOUS! i used to live in berkeley where i could get great
cds (ALL cds, really.) for under $10 at amoeba or rasputins. nowadays i
pay ATLEAST $25 for the same deal! what gives? but i mustn't complain.
it's one lame drawback to living in a very beautiful country. and i
still get to listen to great music, even if it is for a higher price.
too bad. life is for the living.
back to the original issue.....(i think).. something having to do with
bands, etc. "selling out"? yeah, whatever. i'm just grateful that bands
DO "sell out" (if you will). otherwise, how else would i know of them?
(ha ha). i mean, just like i think William Fitzalan once said:
"In a strict Marxist sense, any material resources you surrender to those
willing to take it is an expoitation of sorts; in a perfect world, we'd
all sit around in the workers' paradise while Lisa Germano and DCD surrounded
us with free ambience. But it just ain't so, and we know it, so we all
fork up the bucks."
the whole point of this business is that it IS business. this is
a money making industry whether or not we'd like to admit it. but thank
god we get some great music out of the deal!
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 07:05:59 -0500
>bruce also
>played the last song of the show on belly's time, DUSTED. he was
>screaming the screamer part of the lyrics, which led the crowd to
>believe that bruce and tanya were doing the nasty in the greyhound bunk
>beds.
>
Bruce?! There's no one in CW named Bruce. You mean Rob, Rob Dickinson. Bruce
Dickinson is his uncle, the former singer of Iron Maiden. Unless there was
something very strange going on at that show...
>Length and track number limits are for similar reasons -
>there's no reason why bands can't exceed the limits, but they won't get
>included in the charts.
The current rules are something like 4 tracks or 20 minutes, right? But what
about that really long Orb single "A Huge Ever-Pulsating Brain..." or
whatever? That was 50 mins long or something
BTW if you've ever noticed the Projekt ad in the back pages of Spin, it reads:
ethereal - gloom - *goth* catalog ...free!
so what does that mean in terms of the ongoing and oh-so-fascinating
"is"/"is not" debate?
Larry
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 08:28:37 -0500
On Thu, 2 Nov 1995, Larry Koch wrote:
> >bruce also
> >played the last song of the show on belly's time, DUSTED. he was
> >screaming the screamer part of the lyrics, which led the crowd to
> >believe that bruce and tanya were doing the nasty in the greyhound bunk
> >beds.
>
> Bruce?! There's no one in CW named Bruce. You mean Rob, Rob Dickinson. Bruce
> Dickinson is his uncle, the former singer of Iron Maiden. Unless there was
~~~~~
> something very strange going on at that show...
you misspelled "cousin" :-)
-----
wendy
"To allow air strikes in Bosnia would be extremely detrimental to travel
everywhere...and this at the peak of the travel season...We should demand
that Clinton retract his statement regarding air strikes. In fact, I
believe that all unions should be stopped...No more strikes! Let's stop these
communists before they ruin our country." --Letter to the Santa Maria Times
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 04:22:14 PST
>I think imports are the biggest rip-off in the record industry. Its bad
>enough that new CDs cost 12.98 and up, but to add tariff costs to CDs
>that could easily be made domestic makes me fume.
Yes they are. I pay between $27 and $30 here in South Africa. Sire / Warner
connections in the USA would not be unappreciated here. At these kind of prices
it gets a bit expensive to buy 6 or 7 LPs a month. I'm not saying flood the mark
t
with product; just make it available at non-mercenary pricing.
I pay more for an EP ($16) than USA pays for an LP. I must admit - if I think it
s
worth it, I pay. But I wouldn't mind paying what the rest pay.......
Chris,
with a music collection worth millions of rands (about 4 CDs and a 12")...
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 08:58:23 CST
lush--nothing natural (promo)
main--corona (ep)
main--ligature (remixes) (a mini-album of sorts)
ultracherry violet--i fall to pieces
silence--I+II (a FAX release)
future sound of london--isdn (a live cd)
throwing muses--the curse; minimum bid $11
make all replies to [email protected]; not [email protected]
bye now,
eric, who won't post updates to the list :)
"watch me fall apart, but leave me with my heart."
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:23:45 -0500
thanks everyone, for the tips on how to get the calendar. just for the
record, i called Arcana and they have no idea when it's gonna be in.
r
rebecca fagan
[email protected] (try this one first)
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:21:25 -0500
>I also think that the Bauhaus '4AD' 12" is rather good. Very
>sophisticated, imo.
Which tracks were on that? Is it similar to the 'in the flat field' album
cover art?
-Matt
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 07:16:33 -0800
Is this double Joy Division remix album for real? I read it on
the New Order list and thought it was a joke, and now it appears on the
4AD list. Where did you get your information? I could swallow NO 'Rest
of', because they played the dance/pop game, but Joy Division's remix
album!
Is it true? What is your source for this information?
Yours,
David
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 00:32:12 +0900
hello,
i pleasantly anounce that 4ad japanese release web page is working now.
the list was originally written by Ralf in Germany. current release info
was provided by
a person at Nippon Columbia who is working on 4ad releases in japan.
i'd like to provide info about bonus tracks and JP only releases in the
next version.
masaya
---
Maoko & Masaya Toyokawa
Nansei,Mie, Japan
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:07:22 CST
> Also, did the Ecstacy of St. Theresa "free-d" thing come out ONLY on LP? Is
> there not a CD of it out? How the heck can I find it?
There is a CD out on Free records (the same label that put out
their other CDs).
Cat #: CD FRE4
Release in: 1993
I don't know where you would be able to find a copy. I think I got
mine from Parasol.
later on,
Thad
"This isn't death, this is just a textural event"
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 14:28:02 GMT
Hello,
Marvyn asked in connection with the Etienne:
> "where am i from? I'm from the united states of KISS MY ASS!"
> Anybody know where that line is from?
The whole dialogue in "Etienne gonna die" comes from the film "House Of
Games"; Bob & Pete are both big David Mamet fans. Joe Mantegna delivers
the line in question. I got this from, um, my web site:
Incidentally, anyone else really *like* the new single? A bit of
Euro-tesco with real class. Yes!
To regain 4ad-content, I'd better pass some remarks on "Otherness". The
guy in the record shop said "Oh, yeah, it's just like their older
stuff." What??? It's just like Seefeel's older stuff, maybe! I really
like the ep, although I wouldn't have minded more Cocteaus input - it
comes across as Seefeel with Liz guesting on vocals to me. I was hoping
for something in the style of "Watchlar". Very nice, though. And
"Violaine" sounds as if it will work well as a regular Cocteaus track too.
@*=---=*@@*=---=*@ "F, E, E, L, I N G; C A, double L, E D; L, O, V, E;
| Anthony. | what's this thing that's happening to me?"
@*=---=*@@*=---=*@ http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~baileya/Pulp/
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:35:29 -0600
> From: Frank Brinkhuis
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:33:35 -0800
On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Jason L. Phillips wrote:
> Caroline (no major label/distrubution affiliation to my knowledge). Does
> anyone know of anyother 'worthy' bands on Caroline?
yes. bark psychosis. subtle, dark, lovely.
check 'em out!;)
delphine
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 14:08:26 GMT
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:36:02 -0500
> Incidentally, anyone else really *like* the new single? A bit of
> Euro-tesco with real class. Yes!
Is this the one entitled "Hug My Soul"? I'm enjoying it immensely. I really
like St. Etienne. Where have they been all my life? :O
marvynHortman ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 09:27:32 -0800
> Quick question to all: I've heard of Elysium from many sources, but
> where can I find their music? Tower doesn't seem to carry them and a
> couple of local indie dealers neither carry them/order them/heard of them.
> What label are they with? What do they sound like?
They're with my label, Dewdrops, and you can either get the
CD by mail order from us, or ask your local record store
to order it from Dutch East India Trading or Surefire.
You can also get it from Bedazzled (DC), Stinkweeds (AZ),
Aron's (CA), and a few other stores scattered in the southwest.
This is the description we came up with for the press release:
Elysium - Glisten
"Glisten" is the perfect word for this sun-kissed album, the debut
release from Los Angeles band Elysium.
Guitars meander and sparkle while Jen's angel-siren vocals pour
out emotion into beautiful layers. The music clearly resonates with
bliss, with an uncommon elegance and a wonderful sense of subtlety
that sets them apart from your other favorites. The results
are stunning, original and gorgeous.
The CD features 11 songs / 57 minutes of music produced by the band.
Half of the album was mixed by Shimmy Disc's Kramer, the other half by
Elysium.
A review from The Gallery Gazette (San Antonio):
"An unearthly sound... reminiscent of the famed Cocteau Twins that
we all know and love. Jenny Adams provides the vocals with a range
that simply makes our temples throb... floating somewhere between the
stratosphear and hemishpere, finding ballast in a chord, a voice,
a word..."
FREE SHOW THIS MONDAY!!
Elysium plays for free this Monday 6 Nov. at the famed
Whiskey, 8901 Sunset Blvd., W. Hollywood, CA. 8:45 pm.
$3 if you're under 21. 5 other bands are playing also.
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 13:02:00 CDT
Some stuff for sale, EMAIL ME PRIVATELY, PLEASE
Heavenly Bodies Celestial $8
C'est la mort, synth. dreamy pop, ex-DCD percussionist, caroline Seaman
was on Heavenly Voices comp.
Dr.Death vol.III 2cd (one instrumental) marvels of insect life $14
(M-1 aternative, Hex,Area,Johanna's House of glamour, controlled bleeding)
Durutti Column Domo arigato (Japanese, live) $9
Psychowelders Inertia $5
(2nd echelone US dreampop indie, fem.voc)
Ordo Equitum Solis OES $7
(EP, folkier Heavenly voicish)
Orange s/t $7
on Dewdrops
Opium Den Diary of a drunken sun $6.50
(2nd echelone US dreampop indie,operatic fem.voc.)
Ten Wings Wishing well $7
(later C'est la mort, Souixie'sh - sp?)
ALL PRICES INCLUDE POSTAGE