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Subject: Bought out? Controlled? Did I miss something?
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 21:33:54 -0600
From: YOUNG GRASSHOPPER (DECLERCA@CARLETON.EDU)
Subject: lisa gerrard review (take II)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 22:11:37 -0800
From: bmilner (bmilner@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: My name is Lisa Gerrard.
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:00:04 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: this whole outdoor miner/psychic driving bs
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 01:04:16 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD IRC channel
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:32:35 +0100
From: Guy Vandekerckhove (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: promo cd artwork
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:12:28 -0400
From: bruce levenstein (bruceL@INTERRAMP.COM)
Subject: Re: The End of 4AD
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 02:44:37 -0500
From: Renee Castro (Rennyok@AOL.COM)
Subject: OPAL????!!!
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 02:00:47 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: sorry this is about an auction, I ned an address
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:03:38 -0400
From: DISORDER OF ARCADIANS (SG12200@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU)
Subject: Re: projekt mailing list?
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 12:07:19 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: promo cd artwork
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 22:51:53 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: The Veruca Salt triumvirate
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:11:48 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: The Return of St Etienne
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:41:02 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:53:05 +0100
From: Andre.van.Leeuwen@CWI.NL
Subject: superliciousmalesticious
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 03:17:11 -0800
From: snowangel k-j (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: medicine vs. garbage
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 07:14:02 -0500
From: cold-hearted orb that rules the night (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Various Stuff -- Some 4AD, Some Not
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:17:35 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: all this lame talk about "goth wannabee"
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:27:30 +0100
From: Katy Renick (katy.renick@STUDENT.UNI-TUEBINGEN.DE)
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:30:19 CST
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: The End of 4AD, or How to Be A Zillionaire...
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:37:21 CST
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: OPAL????!!!
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:49:15 -0500
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: FSA "outdoor miner"
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:47:10 -0600
From: Marc Ostermeier (moster@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Xmal Deutschland
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:21:12 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: BAD 109/ AD 6
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:30:39 +0100
From: Matthias Walzner (umw17@RZSERV2.FH-LUENEBURG.DE)
Subject: Re: all this lame talk about "goth wannabee"
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:41:38 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:29:52 -0800
From: Elvia Tarango (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: medicine vs. garbage
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:07:54 -0400
From: redacted (unknown@unknown)
Subject: Re: cocteau twins ep? -- to katy
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:53:14 -0700
From: Laura M Watling (watlingl@WATMAIL.UCR.EDU)
Subject: Re: projekt mailing list?
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:18:52 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Various Stuff -- Some 4AD, Some Not
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:25:27 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Bought out? Controlled? Did I miss something?
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:04:52 -0800
From: YOUNG GRASSHOPPER (DECLERCA@CARLETON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Xmal Deutschland
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:28:24 -0800
From: "J. Tan" (easu447@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Thanks for the help!
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:46:08 -0500
From: "J.H. Rodrigues" (drex@DORSAI.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Re. Xmal Deutschland (from a newbie)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:01:25 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: cocteau twins ep? -- to katy
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:27:47 -0500
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: wanted: seefeel succour
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 21:02:19 -0400
From: bruce levenstein (bruceL@INTERRAMP.COM)
Subject: Re: Then End Of 4AD
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:16:01 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: the redemption of Ivo/no, fuck *you* tiger/Mojave
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:16:00 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Felt fans unite!
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 21:16:11 -0500
From: "tOM." (tom@BEAVIS.IRESEARCH.COM)
Subject: Re: a slap in the face for 4ad
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:56:35 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: asteroid crashes into earth details at 11
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 22:16:05 -0500
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Thislisty(?) upcoming releases
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:58:55 -0500
From: rebecca fagan (rfagan@TIAC.NET)

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 21:33:54 -0600
From: YOUNG GRASSHOPPER (DECLERCA@CARLETON.EDU)
Subject: Bought out? Controlled? Did I miss something?


My friend just mentioned that he thought that 4>A>D had been bought out by
Warner Bros. or WEA.  Some major label, anyway.  This is the third time I've
heard this this week...did I miss something big awhile back?  I was under
the impression that Ivo and Co. were still independent.  Ah, well....

When exactly did this happen?  I don't see any mention of it in my copy of the
FAQ.  Sorry if this is just a rumour, or if this has been discussed before...

Aaron


Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 22:11:37 -0800
From: bmilner (bmilner@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: lisa gerrard review (take II)


I think this got bounced before so here it is again...

Dear List,

          Thought I would give you a little mini review of the Lisa Gerrard
show here in Seattle the other night.  I taped it so you can email me for
info about how to get a copy.  Opening up for her was a sultry voiced
member of her band reciting a 35 minute monologue.  I wasn't sure what he
was racanting at first.  I thought it was just some of the worst
Baudelaire style poetry I had ever heard until he segue-wayed into a
medley of Shakespeare including a lengthly chunk of Hamlet.  All in all,
pretty ridiculous and pretentious sounding stuff.

          The Lisa Gerrard came on and played a very varied set.  I was
worried at first because the first 25 minutes or so were SO very mellow
and similar.  Just synth drones with lengthly simple repeating melodies.
Admittedly, this reflects my personal bias toward Dead Can Dance's more
rhythmic stuff.  But things got more varied as the night progressed.

          She simply has an amazing voice.  Everything she sang soared
and flowed like wine.  I'm not an expert on DCD material but I didn't
recognize a lot of what she played.  I assume she played a lot off her
new album.  I didn't hear much that I knew of from the recent DCD
albums except for a reworking of two songs.

        I really liked her accompanying musicians, especially when they
played percussive instruments.  Soliloquoy's over synthesizer didn't do it
for me like the pieces with strings and drums.  I actually found myself
missing Brendan's contributions because he adds a lot of those kind of
sounds.  But, overall, she was pretty spellbinding herself.  She has great
stage presence for someone who doesn't move at all :) It's a kind of a
subtle movement of the eyes type thing.

           Well, as I final note, as I said, I taped it so email me for
more information about getting a copy.  I'm usually up for a good trade.
The show was 110 minutes and no, I didn't tape the opening monologue... :)

Brandon


Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:00:04 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: My name is Lisa Gerrard.


There is a small letter from Lisa Gerrard on the Warner Bros. site
beautiful picture on it as well...



-------------------------------------------------------------------
For those of you who can't visit web-sites:
-------------------------------------------------------------------

To whom it may concern:
[Image] <- that's the one

My name is Lisa Gerrard. It is out of a love of accuracy that I have chosen
to communicate directly the outline of a solo project I have recently
completed called "The Mirror Pool."

Let me begin with a brief history: For the past fifteen years I've worked
with Brendan Perry under the title of Dead Can Dance - a title chosen to
describe the process of creativity. Brendan and I have released eight
albums. There is usually a surplus of work that overlaps the continuous
nature of a Dead Can Dance record. Some of these pieces, which were not
realized for reasons of continuity, have been collected together in the form
of largely orchestral-based works and pieces written primarily for 'voice'
music. They are acoustic pieces made up of Greek bouzouki, yang chin
(Chinese dolcimer) and live percussion including derabukkas, hand claps,
camel drum, bass tablas, Indian elephant bells, tambours, tambourines, and
finger cymbals. Alongside these works exist pieces created out of
instrumental samples.

The orchestral music was composed by myself on a computer, using samples in
my home studio. These parts were then translated into score form by John
Bonnar, who also conducted the recorded performance by the 'Victorian
Philharmonic Orchestra' at Eaton Studios in Melbourne, Australia. I
performed the vocal pieces live with the orchestra.

The acoustic pieces, which I also composed, were recorded live in my home
studio, as were the sampled works and all the 'voice' music.

Usually when work is reviewed there are references made to cultural
influences. In my case, I have explored cultural expression as a means of
freeing the spirit.

I have chosen the title "The Mirror Pool" because it is suggestive of the
abstract properties that exist within the entity of music - the properties
being those that permit reflection.

Lisa Gerrard
June 1995

-------------------------------------------------------------------

HELP! I'm running out of e-mail paper!!




-
   Emiel Efdee
-
   efdee@luna.nl (the netherlands)
-
   no sense at all: http://www.luna.nl/~efdee
-
   all time american hero: oswald cooper
-


Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 01:04:16 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: this whole outdoor miner/psychic driving bs


this ep (by fsa) seems to be getting mixed reactions.  it took me a few
listens (as it should with anyone firmly grounded in reality) to like this
one, but it's brilliant.  granted, the land beyond the sun and eee are old
songs, but hey, it's more music for your buck (or pound, or whatever), so
don't complain.

the first track, outdoor miner is only really good if you shut off
everything in the house and just listen, the
half-wisperedvocalsbeneaththefuzz are wonderful, even creepier and quieter
than the usual fsa.  psychic driving is an instrumental, initially my fave,
now it's my least fave, but it's still good.  sort of a repeated rythym to
start off, but it's great nonetheless.

the land beyond the sun is an opal cover (i think, it might be one of the
other songs that is).  it's sort of the early fsa formula of
popsongswithfuzz.  eee i don't really remember very well, so i'll avoid
this one.

my point is, it's worth the ep price (unlike bonny and clyde/chinatown by
luna), go and buy it today.

i heard something about another distance comp being released in the future,
do any of you know anything about this?

thanks,

eric


"I know a place, a beautiful place, where the moon kisses the sea in a
nighttime embrace. . .forever and ever. . ."
        -pram "sea swells and distant squalls"

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:32:35 +0100
From: Guy Vandekerckhove (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: 4AD IRC channel


I joined this channel a few times but nobody was there :-(

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:12:28 -0400
From: bruce levenstein (bruceL@INTERRAMP.COM)
Subject: promo cd artwork


i just got a copy of 'think i'm getting...'
the cd itself has some artwork printed on it.
my copy of the 'facing the wrong way' was just orange.
is there a version of ftww with the cover art printed on the cd?

-bruce

 ---------------------------------------------
 |   A is for AMY who fell down the stairs.  |
 ---------------------------------------------
 | bruce levenstein     brucel@interramp.com |
 ---------------------------------------------

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 02:44:37 -0500
From: Renee Castro (Rennyok@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: The End of 4AD


I think one think people tend to over look is that Ivo likes all kinds of
music. I remember at that All Virgos Are Mad thing is LA the tape playing in
the background had The Beastie Boys, Hole, as well as old weird 60's stuff.
My friend who knows him told me he made the tape. If he didn't have such a
wide variety of musical tastes, would there be a "This Mortal Coil"? I'm sure
very few of you like The B. Boys or Hole but, the B. Boys (at least) are
talented in what they do.

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 02:00:47 -0600
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: OPAL????!!!


ok, just ignore that bit about opal.  i was told it's wire.  i already knew
that one of them was a wire cover.  i was listening to "fell from the sun"
on comforts of madness when i posted this, so i guess i crossed threads.

sigh,

eric


"I know a place, a beautiful place, where the moon kisses the sea in a
nighttime embrace. . .forever and ever. . ."
        -pram "sea swells and distant squalls"

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:03:38 -0400
From: DISORDER OF ARCADIANS (SG12200@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU)
Subject: sorry this is about an auction, I ned an address


sorry
these are the cds i am interested in
but I lost the address to whom this goes to
so if someone could please tell me
I would be lovely
and all happy
sg12200@conrad.appstate.edu

CD Singles - All in Excelent Condition
=======================================
Michael Brook & U. Srinivas (2 track Sampler)................Min $2
Red House Painters - (8 Tracks) (cad 3016 CD)...............Current $6
Loop - Arc Lite (SIT 64 CD) 3 Track import...................Min $3
Seefell - Starethrough EP (Import)...........................Min $6
FULL LENGTH CDS
===============
Red House Painters - (14 Tracks)(dad 3008 CD....................Min $7

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 12:07:19 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: projekt mailing list?


You wrote:
>
>        Hey, whatever happened to that Projekt mailing list someone
said
>a month or two ago they were going to set up? That would've been fun.
>        Speaking of Projekt, is lovesliescrushing's (who should stay
>*right* where they are, thank you very much) "Xuvetyn" going to be out
>before the new year? Last I heard, it wasn't. The Projekt homepage
isn't
>much help on that, I'm afriad.

i happen to know andrew and allysa (additional members on LLC live) i
can ask them the next time i hear from them about the release date...
quite curious myself actually.

                        till then,
                                robert.


Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 22:51:53 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: promo cd artwork


>i just got a copy of 'think i'm getting...'
>the cd itself has some artwork printed on it.
>my copy of the 'facing the wrong way' was just orange.
>is there a version of ftww with the cover art printed on the cd?

>-bruce

Yeah, my FTWW has the same sleeve artwork on the CD in brown
and white. (Yes - people in South Africa get 'em too!)

Chris


Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:11:48 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: The Veruca Salt triumvirate

              

Steven "The Truth is out there" Venn wrote:

>>  Make that four people who will admit to liking Veruca Salt.......
>
>Make that 5 now.

No, there are only three.  But who'd have thought they'd all be subscribed
to this mailing list?!

Simon Hughes

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:41:02 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: The Return of St Etienne


"He's on the Phone" will be on the forthcoming singles album - bad news
for StE fans is that according to an interview in last week's NME, the
"split for a while to do solo albums" period starts now.  Earlier in
the year there were rumours of a split, which turned out to be a plan
for Pete & Bob to do their own thing for a while and Sarah to do a solo
album, the results supposedly to arrive by the end of the summer.  The
group were supposed to get back together about now to work together
again, but it looks as if we'll have to make do with this single for
the time being.

The A-side is a bit like Whigfield (appalling Swedo-disco for those of
you in countries which have been spared that horror), but with better
lyrics.  One CD has three B-sides - a couple of poignant little songs
and a Marc Bolan number which seems to have been chosen to show that
Bolan could write really crappy songs, the second CD has an extended mix
of the A-side, a quarter of an hour of "Cool Kids of Death" remixed by
Underworld (haven't listened to that one yet), and a throwaway
Television Personalities cover.  Sarah's contribution ("Grovely Road",
on the first CD) makes her solo album an intriguing prospect - it's a
lovely melancholy song in the same sort of vein as "Avenue".

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 31/10/95
On my walkman this morning : Seefeel - More Like Space
Of human misery; we


Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:53:05 +0100
From: Andre.van.Leeuwen@CWI.NL
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees


If people are so hung up about which labels/music/etcetera
can be caled goth or not, they should be having fun doing
the goth test by pointing their web browser to:


instead of having a pointless (IMHO) discussion on the list.

Andre

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 03:17:11 -0800
From: snowangel k-j (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: superliciousmalesticious


  happy halloween!


  dressing up as a cat tonight,
  k


Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 07:14:02 -0500
From: cold-hearted orb that rules the night (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: medicine vs. garbage


Medicine were cool, except for that watery "Time baby 3" shit...not even Liz
Fraser could save that one. Garbage are complete prefabricated shit - 3
middle aged guys and some clueless goth-tart who can't sing except in that
half-assed speaking way, and a bunch of dumb noises so people won't notice
there's no tunes.

Waiting for "Kim Deal Plays the Hits of 70s on her Armpit Accordion" (out soon),

Larry

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:17:35 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Various Stuff -- Some 4AD, Some Not

              "jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU" at Oct 24, 95 11:51:15 pm

jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU wrote:
>
> Now onto the non-4AD related stuff.  Does anyone know when and if Goldie's
> album is coming out in the US?  And what about Seefeel's and the Jazz
> Butcher's latest?  Help!

November under the name Disjecta (there was a poor track under that
name on Leaf's "Imaginary Soundtracks" 12").  I think Warp are
releasing them - two vinyl discs and a CD containing all the tracks
from the vinyl EPs.  When the NME announced a Clifford/Liz Fraser album
coming out early next year, to be preceded by a couple of MC solo
ambient EPs, I thought this might be a garbled version of the Cocteau
Twins release schedule, but now I'm not so sure.  "Otherness" is
definitely one of the high points of the year for me - "Twinlights" I
thought was an interesting oddity, but the "recycled" EP is
magnificent.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 31/10/95
On my walkman this morning : Seefeel - More Like Space
Of human misery; we

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:27:30 +0100
From: Katy Renick (katy.renick@STUDENT.UNI-TUEBINGEN.DE)
Subject: Re: all this lame talk about "goth wannabee"


i just gotta say that this is a pretty lame argument going on about
projekt being "goth wannabee" and all that shit.  (not to sound bitter or
anything, really!), but who cares? or, actually, WHY would you care?
these bands, whether or not you want to call them "goth", make good
music.  and if you think it isn't good music, then that's fine too.  but
why get all caught up with names and labels and all that?  that reminds
me, a few weeks ago i was on vacation in amsterdam, and i had asked where
i could find some "goth clubs".  to begin with, i already felt lame about
asking a question like that, because the whole label identity thing is
pretty stupid.  but then the guy says, "why? you don't LOOK like you
listen to goth music."  so i thought, what is one SUPPOSED to look like
to listen to GOTHIC music?  is it because my hair isn't dyed black and i
wear shiny, red pajama pants through town?  so i broke the rules, and i
really shouldn't be listening to Faith And the Muse or the always
misinterpreted, Dead Can Dance?
well, anyway, that's what i think.  i don't even know if my lash of anger
is appropriate here, but i just had to get it out anyway!
comments always appreciated!


Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:30:19 CST
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees

              Oct 30, 95 8:04 pm

>
>         Call them "goth" or not, i'll still join the projekt mailing list.

*Is* there a Projekt mailing list?

> Ahhh, LSD and Eden discussions will abound and no-one will know if i'm
> wearing black along the disinformation super-highway.

kent
kjv@mti.cdc.com
if the person selling you that CD is not
sporting a nose ring, then maybe you're
in the WRONG music store!


Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:37:21 CST
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: The End of 4AD, or How to Be A Zillionaire...

              "J Beswick" at Oct 30, 95 3:19 pm

> By the way... I was trying to prove to my friend how Robin Guthrie is, in
> my opinion, more important to the modern rock scene than Perry Farrel.
> Any opinions??

Who's Perry Farrel?   bwaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

>
>
> Strick9
>
>
> The J stands for an icky biblical name that I want erased from my fuckin'
> birth certificate.

Jimmy?

>
> :)
>

kent
kjv@mti.cdc.com
who likes *his* biblical name

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:49:15 -0500
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: OPAL????!!!


"outdoor miner" is an original wire song, and apparently everybody loves
it, coz lush covered it, and so did luna-- this saturday when i saw them...

lorelei


On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, eric wrote:

> ok, just ignore that bit about opal.  i was told it's wire.  i already knew
> that one of them was a wire cover.  i was listening to "fell from the sun"
> on comforts of madness when i posted this, so i guess i crossed threads.
>
> sigh,
>
> eric
>


Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:47:10 -0600
From: Marc Ostermeier (moster@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: FSA "outdoor miner"


"outdoor miner" is the cover on the new FSA EP/7" (originally done by Wire
from Chairs Missing era), also covered by Lush on an EP.

MARC OSTERMEIER
moster@mail.utexas.edu

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:21:12 -0500
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Xmal Deutschland


>where they have gone
>since releasing Tocsin.

I do like them Xmal Deutschland fellas!


-----------

I like them, too, but I managed to find a CD they released in 1989
(entitled "Dreamhouse" or something), and it quite frankly sucked.
Very synth-y and uninspired; poppish. The last release from them
that was of merit, IMO, was "Viva" -- which is incredibly difficult
to find (released 1987, with 23 Envelope art but NOT 4AD). I have
it on vinyl and am thankful for that.

Their Peel Session disc is also worth having, as it has much better
versions of previously released songs, as well as a couple I'd not
heard before.


Mike
iceblink@delphi.com


Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:30:39 +0100
From: Matthias Walzner (umw17@RZSERV2.FH-LUENEBURG.DE)
Subject: BAD 109/ AD 6


Hi to all Matrix number specialists,

I have just two news according to Matrix/Mispress:

*BAD 109       DIF JUZ  Huremics
Two different Version exist:
Matrix number BAD 109 A-1/B2 and the second has the Matrix BAD 109 A2/B2.

*AD 6          MODERN ENGLISH   Swans On Glass
Another „mispress" has the right matrix number and plays the right tracks,
but has the b-side         labels on both sides. (the other mispress w/ the
two Pete Townsend songs has been               discussed earlier.)

Any further information on these two items...feel free to email.

Matthias.


Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:41:38 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: all this lame talk about "goth wannabee"


Well as far as I can see people use labels for two reason; to be
derogatory about something, or when they can't think of a way to
describe something "err, electric distored guitars, loudish, err,
drums, err moody, err..." and reach for a comon (mis)understood
reference point. The problem is no one likes being labelled or the
things they love being labelled. "We are not a Goth/Indie/Britpop/Metal (DELETE 
S APPROPRIATE)
band we are doing are own thing". Such labels (IMHO) are meaningless
out of context. After all 'thislisty' is just another label and peopl
on the 4AD-L can't even agree what that is.

> i just gotta say that this is a pretty lame argument going on about
> projekt being "goth wannabee" and all that shit.  (not to sound bitter or
> anything, really!), but who cares? or, actually, WHY would you care?
> these bands, whether or not you want to call them "goth", make good
> music.  and if you think it isn't good music, then that's fine too.  but
> why get all caught up with names and labels and all that?  that reminds
> me, a few weeks ago i was on vacation in amsterdam, and i had asked where
> i could find some "goth clubs".  to begin with, i already felt lame about
> asking a question like that, because the whole label identity thing is
> pretty stupid.  but then the guy says, "why? you don't LOOK like you
> listen to goth music."  so i thought, what is one SUPPOSED to look like
> to listen to GOTHIC music?  is it because my hair isn't dyed black and i
> wear shiny, red pajama pants through town?  so i broke the rules, and i
> really shouldn't be listening to Faith And the Muse or the always
> misinterpreted, Dead Can Dance?
> well, anyway, that's what i think.  i don't even know if my lash of anger
> is appropriate here, but i just had to get it out anyway!
> comments always appreciated!
>

Richard Clemens, Centre Officer
Department of Construction & Surveying
University College Salford, Salford M6 6PU, UK

"Oh Jesus make me eight years old and take me home to mummy.
I want the whole world run without me"
                                                 AC Temple


Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:29:52 -0800
From: Elvia Tarango (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees


>kent
>kjv@mti.cdc.com
>if the person selling you that CD is not
>sporting a nose ring, then maybe you're
>in the WRONG music store!

Or maybe he's full of bull. Get it BULL and NOSE RING.  He He HA HA Ho HO
Ha...Happy Holloween

Fred/Derf

(c/o elvia@uclink3.berkley.edu)


Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:07:54 -0400
From: redacted (unknown@unknown)
Subject: Re: medicine vs. garbage


>Medicine were cool, except for that watery "Time baby 3" shit...not even Liz
>Fraser could save that one.
....IT DOSEN'T SOUND LIKE YOU'VE EVER HEARD TIME BABY 2 YET. MEDICINE WAS
MORE THAN COOL, THEY WERE AN INCREDIBLE BAND...MAYBE YOU SHOULD CHECK OUT
MORE OF THEIR STUFF THAN JUST THE CROW SOUNDTRACK

 Garbage are complete prefabricated shit - 3
>middle aged guys and some clueless goth-tart who can't sing except in that
>half-assed speaking way, and a bunch of dumb noises so people won't notice
>there's no tunes.
>....I DISAGREE. TRUE, THE SINGING IS A BIT SILLY, HOWEVER THOSE "DUMB" NOISES
>ARE KIND OF REFRESHING. IT'S GREAT TO HEAR NOISES IN A POP WORLD DOMINATED BY
>3 CHORD WONDERS LIKE COURTNEY LOVE, GREEEEN DAY AND OH I CAN'T GO ON.....

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:53:14 -0700
From: Laura M Watling (watlingl@WATMAIL.UCR.EDU)
Subject: Re: cocteau twins ep? -- to katy


I have no clue what the heck "Otherness" is, but if it's Cocteau,
I'll buy it!!!!!
   Nov 21???  That's so far away....

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:18:52 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: projekt mailing list?


  Last I saw on the LLC web page, it was slated for Jan '96.  Did it get
pushed up?  And do they have anything else out besides the
bloweyelashwish cd and the single for youreyesimmaculate?  What's the
track listing for youreyesimmaculate?

  And in an unrelated note: Garbage suck.  Medicine  is (was) one of the
best dreampoop bands around.  How can you possibley compare the two?

******************************************************************************

                                   A.I.D.S.
              We are all infected because we are all affected.........

                                  *********
                     Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. soon@unm.edu
  MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
******************************************************************************

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:25:27 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Various Stuff -- Some 4AD, Some Not


    Seefeel's latest?  Isn't that out?  I've seen that in about a dozen
places, if you're talking about Succour.  It's kinda on the pricey side
(oops, that's the import -- about $25), but I think it's out domestically
at this pooint as well, isn't it?  Or do they have soemthing new in the
works, besides Clifford's Disjecta side project?  If so, will they return
to the p[reviously glorious sound of the Polyfusia cd?

******************************************************************************

                                   A.I.D.S.
              We are all infected because we are all affected.........

                                  *********
                     Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. soon@unm.edu
  MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
******************************************************************************


Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:04:52 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Bought out? Controlled? Did I miss something?


From: YOUNG GRASSHOPPER (DECLERCA@CARLETON.EDU) >My friend just mentioned that he thought that 4>A>D had been bought out by >Warner Bros. or WEA. Some major label, anyway. This is the third time I've >heard this this week...did I miss something big awhile back? I was under >the impression that Ivo and Co. were still independent. Ah, well.... > >When exactly did this happen? I don't see any mention of it in my copy of the >FAQ. Sorry if this is just a rumour, or if this has been discussed before... > >Aaron They are manufactured/distributed by Warner in the US. Before the distribution deal, the releases were either imports or the bands were distributed by an American label on a band by band basis (Cocteau T on Relativity, then Capitol, DCD and HNIA on Ryco etc.) Since the US is the largest market for recorded music, this was a pretty big event; Lilliput was given away to promote/celebrate the deal. Ivo W-R moved to LA, got married, but people have told me that Robin Hurley runs the show at the US office (or did, pretty much.) So WB doesn't own them but 4ad can hardly be called indie anymore. With the marketing muscle and financial strength of WB, it's not exactly hard to find 4ad stuff anymore. With that comes things such as the delay of _Funky Little Demons_ and Mojave's _Ask Me Tomorrow_ to "fit in" to the release schedule of WB. probly more than you wanted to know... -nck [go to elesium on Monday, you all]

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:28:24 -0800
From: "J. Tan" (easu447@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: Xmal Deutschland


On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear wrote:

> I do like them Xmal Deutschland fellas!
>
> I like them, too, but I managed to find a CD they released in 1989
> (entitled "Dreamhouse" or something), and it quite frankly sucked.

Hmm, you might be referring to the 'Dreamhouse' single maybe?
Their last album was 'Devils' and Dreamhouse was a track on it.
'Devils' definitely did not have that X-Maly sound. :(

> to find (released 1987, with 23 Envelope art but NOT 4AD). I have
> it on vinyl and am thankful for that.

Released on Red Rhino Europe I believe...

> Their Peel Session disc is also worth having, as it has much better
> versions of previously released songs, as well as a couple I'd not
> heard before.
>

The Sequenz EP also has pretty much the same tracks as the Peel Session disc
...and a lot better versions/recording quality imho. I've seen a couple
of those 12"ers still floating around.

As a side note, in order to revive 4AD i vote for Ivo to go and haul in
Anya Huwe and the whole X-Mal band.

(Ok so I'm probably one of the few to vouch for this...)


jt

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:46:08 -0500
From: "J.H. Rodrigues" (drex@DORSAI.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Thanks for the help!


WARNING, WHAT U ARE ABOUT TO READ IS NOT REALLY MUSIC RELATED, AND MIGHT NOT
        BE NEWS TO SOME.  ONLY THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW WHY SOME PEOPLE HAVE
        PROBLEMS UNSUB'ING FROM THE LIST AND MIGHT WANT TO KNOW SOME THEY
        MIGHT NOT ALREADY KNOW SHOULD CONTINUE READING.


Greetings all;

I am not on the list anymore, but i would like to say thanks to all of u who
        e-mailed me with suggestions and all.  Thank u so very much.  :)
the reason why i am posting this is because maybe someone might need the info
        in the future.  i was not able to signoff at first because i did not
        know it made any difference to american.edu which machine i was using
        in mys system.
u see, i use DORSAI.ORG, and it has two machines, amanda and dorsai (i.e,
        someone can address mail to me as drex@dorsai.org, @amanda.dorsai.org,
        or @dorsai.dorsai.org).  anyhow, depending which number i dial to,
        i might get either machine (or which i feel like telneting to).
i had sub'ed and unsb'ed to other lists without having any problems.  so at
        first, i could not figure out why american.edu was telling me that
        i was not sub'ed to 4ad, and could not use any of the commands (this
        all began when i tried to set my subscription to nomail).
i was sending mail to listserv from amanda, but i had sub'ed to it from
        dorsai.  somehow, listserv does not recognize them as being just
        two machines from dorsai.org.  so as soon as i mailed listserv from
        dorsai, i was able to unsub!!!
it seems like common sense, but since i never had any problems with other
        lists, i could not think that this was the cause of the problem.  now
        i do.  ;)
once again, thanks, and sorry if u feel that this was not necessary.  :)

JHR


                "La sottise, l'erreur, le peche, la lesine,
                Occupent nos esprits et travaillent nos corps,
                Et nous alimentons nos aimables remords,
                Comme les mendiants nourrissent leur vermine."
                                C. Baudelaire (Au Lecteur)

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:01:25 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re. Xmal Deutschland (from a newbie)


Hello everyone, I'm a new suscriber so excuse me if I've done anything wrong...

>where they have gone
>since releasing Tocsin.

I can't say I ever got round to purchasing Tocsin, but about 4 years ago I
stumbled upon a copy of Viva on CD in Glasgow. Mike mentioning it reminded
me that I haven't listened to it for well over 18 months - it has it's
moments, but nothing really special on it. The cover has a lot of silver
ink on it and has an image including that same knife Vaughan has used on
his first book (and somewhere else I think) cutting through some water.
Nigel Grierson took the shot, but none other than Anton Corbijn took the
bands' photograph. The booklet includes most of the lyrics in both English
and German - the singing is a mixture, some English, some German. There are
12 tracks. Will have to listen to it again...

What I did also find somewhere was cool though. An Xmal 12" from Exile
(spelt Xile on Viva) called Sequenz with three tracks: "Jahr um Jahr II",
"Autumn" and "Polarlicht" (different version from Viva). Autumn just has to
be the best track they've ever done (so sayeth me anyway) and Jahr... in't
half bad either. The cover is a bad 23 envelope rip off - it says it's by
"Estragon for 23 Envelope" (wonder why they're not a regular v23
contributor?)!

Someone wrote a review of a Lisa Gerrard concert. I was at the one in the
Union Chapel in London - a brilliant venue in an old church. We had that
bore reciting the poetry from a spotlit pulpit complete withreverb in
places! There were people wetting themselves all around me... I spoke to
Vaughan Oliver and Chris Bigg the next day, and  said that I'd been.
Vaughan said, "bet you wish you hadn't" - Chris had also been and said how
crap the poetry bit had been. It seems Mr Oliver does not like Lisa's solo
stuff - he enthused about Brendan's album though...

Long message here. Better sign off now,

Andie

Ps. Anyone going to the Sylvian gig this Saturday?


Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:27:47 -0500
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: cocteau twins ep? -- to katy


i have the otherness cd right now

very different than their usual stuff

has a completely new version of feetlike fins and a rather strange version of
cherry colored funk on it


Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 21:02:19 -0400
From: bruce levenstein (bruceL@INTERRAMP.COM)
Subject: wanted: seefeel succour


if anyone has a copy of seefeel's succour cd they'd like to sell, let me know.

-bruce

 ---------------------------------------------
 |   A is for AMY who fell down the stairs.  |
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 | bruce levenstein     brucel@interramp.com |
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:16:01 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Then End Of 4AD


>>>So who's going to save the label?
>
>Why do we always look to others to save what is dear to us. Form your own
>damn band, get them signed to 4ad, and save the label yourself!!!!! That's
>what I'm working on now, the band is the kumQuats and we'll officialy form
>for the first time on holloween, by next holloween we'll be ready to save
>4ad, or if they won't take us, we'll make our own label, it dosen't matter,
>salvation lies in your self, not mortal coil, not the Cocteau twins, not
>anyone, quit bitching about the lack of originallity and make something new
>yourself!

I don't have any musical talent (I just make little boats in bottles) so I or
we (I know there's more people on the list with little musical talent like
myself...well I can humm real good, but I digress)  have to steak out bands
that we would like to see on 4AD.

Good luck with your band, and if 4AD doesn't take you, I think Rough Trade
has a few spots open.

Jason

srilank@aol.com

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:16:00 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: the redemption of Ivo/no, fuck *you* tiger/Mojave


>>1) Blame Scheer and the Amps on Robin Hurley, then drop them.
>
>The Amps cannot, unfortunately, be dropped due to Kim's contract

We can still do something about that other band.

>>2) Swallow your pride, kiss Robin Guthrie's butt, and bring the Cocteau
>Twins
>>back to their *real* home.
>
>They're not coming back and I'm sure Ivo realises that. They left 4AD for a
>reason, you know.

Yea, he probably realizes that, it was just wishful thinking.

>>3) Recall Kurt Ralske, Mark Kozelek, and Pieter Nooten.
>
>Kurt Ralske has already cost the label too much.

but it was worth it, regardless.

>Mark Kozelek is probably
>not too keen on 4AD right now.

Mark doesn't seem to be too keen on anything, but him taking his talents
elsewhere are the results of when one gets into a pissing contest with Ivo.
 The band and Ivo part usually to Ivo's advantage, and the band...well more
times than not are never heard from again.  However, in this case I believe
Ivo loses out in the long run.
There is a lot of RHPish bands with a lot less sincerity and credibility, so
replacement (unless, and this is wishful utopian thinking too, American Music
Club re-forms and signs) with another artist or act that has the impact that
RHP had or has will be difficult.

>You know, it's funny - I remember hearing an
interview with Ivo a couple of years ago, around the time that RHP and
>someone else (can't remember who) had just been signed and no matter what he
>was asked, Ivo could not utter a sentence without mentioning RHP and how
>excited he was about them (it got kind of grating after a while, actually).
>He didn't seem to think there was anything wrong with them then...

...and there's still not anything wrong with them IMO (obviously Ivo feels
different).  I've always read in articles written about 4AD or Ivo, that the
most important aspects of running the label was to preserve the  integrity of
the artist and their respective works, not tampering with the product,
letting the artists take as much time as needed, and not contemplating the
monetary rewards.  These seemed to be obligatory prominent statements.  These
days, you know as well as I, that this is *not*  the case.  Ivo signs and
drops like a major label and feels that he is in a position to change the
artists work as needed.  It's little things like this that are minor scuffs
on 4AD's charm, and fuel to the label followers fire toting the slight
decline of the label as a whole.

>>5) Beg, borrow, and steal Disco Inferno, Tindersticks, the Sundays, that
>>Kevin Shields band, Loveliescrushing, and the Innocence Mission.
>
>I don't really think 4AD's future lies in poaching bands from other labels
>or signing cast-offs from somebody's roster.

I don't either, but I couldn't off the top of my head think of a half dozen
unsigned bad metal bands that fit more in the recent 4AD scheer of things.

> DI have split, and I'm sure
>Tindersticks, the Sundays, MBV and LLC are quite happy where they are.

Only I wanted them all with v23 covers, and the best way to accomplish that
was to sign 'em all.

>Besides, MBV have only just gotten a new contract since leaving Creation.

It's with Virgin, who are now footing the bill.

> As
for the Innocence Mission - what kind of label needs a jesusfreak band
>anyway?

Yes, but if the second coming comes while Innocence Mission are signed to
4AD, could you imagine the revenue they would pull in??

>>'Fuck You Tiger'
>>        What the hell kind of a title is that?

>Oh boo hoo. It's only the product of Mark Robinson's imagination. I mean,
>it's not as if it's important or anything. Besides, "Go Away Tiger" or
"Shove Off Tiger"
>doesn't have the same zing...

Remember Unrest's comp. _Fuck Pussy Galore (& all her friends)_?
One of Mark's fave words seems to be "fuck", mine happens to be "puree"...to
each his own.

Puree you tiger,

Jason

srilank@aol.com


Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 21:16:11 -0500
From: "tOM." (tom@BEAVIS.IRESEARCH.COM)
Subject: Felt fans unite!


I'm usually a reserved reader of this list in that you don't really hear from
me much, but this particular evening I found myself listening to some Felt on
the CD player.  In particular "Primitive Painters" with Liz helping out on
vocals and produced by Robin.  I never seem to hear anything mentioned about
these guys from anyone (true, they aren't on 4AD but....) they certainly seem
to
fit the "thislisty" description to me.  Are there other Felt fans out there,
speak up!

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:56:35 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: a slap in the face for 4ad


On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Elvia Tarango wrote:

> >This would be a good one as well as Xmal Deutschland, I would like to see
> >where they have gone
> >since releasing Tocsin.
>
  They did release another 12" at least after leaving 4AD...we have it at
our radio station...quite good.

Strick9

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 22:16:05 -0500
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: asteroid crashes into earth details at 11


i was wondering if anyone saw NOVA tonight on asteroids.

in the middle of a computer simulation of an asteroid in space i suddenly
hear "anywhere out of the world" by DCD.  very nice subtle joke if i do say
so myself

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:58:55 -0500
From: rebecca fagan (rfagan@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: Thislisty(?) upcoming releases


>V23-1996 Calendar $31.50


hey! does anyone know for sure when this is coming out in the US?
I thought i remembered someone saying it was sometime in october, but i
haven't seen it around here yet....



r

rebecca fagan
rfagan@tiac.net (try this one first)
fagan@pja-net.com


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