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Subject: Re: Then End Of 4AD
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 23:19:11 -0600
From: Michael C Lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: orange pink red/
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 23:24:31 -0600
From: Michael C Lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: fsa
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:10:06 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Then End Of 4AD
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:09:58 -0800
From: Elvia Tarango (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:59:07 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: The End of 4AD, or How to Be A Zillionaire...
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 02:53:51 -0500
From: Hement Gopal (090GOPAL@UWCC.CC.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: The CONTINUATION of 4AD, v23
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 08:53:19 +0000
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: um, right, hi.
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:41:27 -0800
From: "WILLIAM FITZALAN, ROUGE AI,
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 01:18:50 -0800
From: snowangel k-j (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: save 4ad from the toilet bowl
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 05:25:54 -0500
From: Hement Gopal (090GOPAL@UWCC.CC.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: fsa
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:31:30 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: 4AD Revival
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 02:04:37 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: If it's Monday, this must be those damn used CDs...
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 06:43:21 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: The CONTINUATION of 4AD, v23
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:36:54 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Artistic Urges (SORRY, IGNORE!!!!)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:17:52 -0600
From: Terry Collins (ispy@OAK.NCC.UMN.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 Cd is here
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 08:07:04 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Artistic urges...
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:07:22 -0600
From: Terry Collins (ispy@OAK.NCC.UMN.EDU)
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 08:30:29 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: a slap in the face for 4ad
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:05:04 -0800
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:58:49 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: having probs with my subscription (ignore if won't help)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 12:28:09 -0500
From: "...xuxu loves xodo..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: The sampler's worth the price
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:42:26 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: a slap in the face for 4ad
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:21:42 -0600
From: Brant Dewdrops[SMTP:nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU]
Subject: Re: The sampler's worth the price
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 12:38:49 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:50:20 CST
From: thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:52:17 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD IRC channel
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:43:42 -0400
From: EZ (st953km8@DUNX1.OCS.DREXEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: having probs with my subscription (ignore if won't hel
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 14:46:02 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:26:37 -0500
From: anaconda (anaconda@wwa.com)
Subject: Re: The sampler's worth the price
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:29:16 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: The End of 4AD, or How to Be A Zillionaire...
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:19:05 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:38:06 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: a slap in the face for 4ad
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:26:51 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: projekt mailing list?
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:17:10 -0800
From: "Michael S. Fischer" (msf@NSI.EDU)
Subject: Re: a slap in the face for 4ad
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:43:36 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: The End of 4AD, or How to Be A Zillionaire...
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:50:27 -0800
From: Elvia Tarango (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: The sampler's worth the price
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:45:47 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: a slap in the face for 4ad
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:25:50 -0800
From: Elvia Tarango (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: The End of 4AD, or How to Be A Zillionaire...
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:54:46 -0800
From: snowangel k-j (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:04:12 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Thislisty(?) upcoming releases
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:28:08 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 23:19:11 -0600
From: Michael C Lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Then End Of 4AD


>>So who's going to save the label?

Why do we always look to others to save what is dear to us. Form your own
damn band, get them signed to 4ad, and save the label yourself!!!!! That's
what I'm working on now, the band is the kumQuats and we'll officialy form
for the first time on holloween, by next holloween we'll be ready to save
4ad, or if they won't take us, we'll make our own label, it dosen't matter,
salvation lies in your self, not mortal coil, not the Cocteau twins, not
anyone, quit bitching about the lack of originallity and make something new
yourself!

Mike

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 23:24:31 -0600
From: Michael C Lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: orange pink red/


>It's in her contract - she's the only one in the Breeders or the Amps to
>actually have a contract for x number of albums, and she did say once that
>she could put out a "Kim Deal tuba album" if she really wanted to and it
>wouldn't be a problem. So much for quality control...

Don't underestamate the tuba, I was quite impressed by the tuba solo's on
the Billy and the Boingers I'm a Boinger single :>
As for Kim, I'll wait till after tommarrows show to pass judjment


Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:10:06 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: fsa


In Message Sun, 29 Oct 1995 19:56:46 -0700, mesocyclone  writes:

>  Um, I guess I'm just a morom, but I never noticed there was a woman
>singing on any FSA album.  Whoops.  On which songs does she sing?

still point on furthur, at least.  my fave fsa song, maybe another, too.

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:09:58 -0800
From: Elvia Tarango (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Then End Of 4AD


>>>So who's going to save the label?
>
>Why do we always look to others to save what is dear to us. Form your own
>damn band, get them signed to 4ad, and save the label yourself!!!!! That's
>what I'm working on now, the band is the kumQuats and we'll officialy form
>for the first time on holloween, by next holloween we'll be ready to save
>4ad, or if they won't take us, we'll make our own label, it dosen't matter,
>salvation lies in your self, not mortal coil, not the Cocteau twins, not
>anyone, quit bitching about the lack of originallity and make something new
>yourself!
>
>Mike

Good Luck!!!!!!!!!!! dude.

Fred/Derf

(c/o elvia@uclink3.berkley.edu)


Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:59:07 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees


Anyone who indiscriminately bashes Projekt is a moron. Frankly, I find
virtually all the music they're releasing to be more interesting than the
twopenny garage-band junk on 4AD these days. They're far more consistent
in the quality of what they're releasing than Cleopatra and Bedazzled,
too, IMO, though Bedazzled in quite good. And Projekt is much more than
goth. The Darkwave catalog is something I genuinely look forward to in my
mailbox.

Martin with his 2c


Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 02:53:51 -0500
From: Hement Gopal (090GOPAL@UWCC.CC.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: The End of 4AD, or How to Be A Zillionaire...


just my 2 cents worth

in some i/view of years gone bye *sniff sniff* Ivo said that since
4ad was begun in 1980 the right thing would be to fold it in december
1990....its a damn shame that the sod didn't follow this thru!!!

he breaks our legs and we say thank you when he hands us crutches!!

piss and vinegar dept
hemsy


Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 08:53:19 +0000
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: The CONTINUATION of 4AD, v23


Sorry, but for me the only good thing to come out of 4AD at the moment is
the artwork. There seems to be more time gone into this than the music.

Otherness = Seefeel minus thought.

'h'y

'H' Cambridge

Stockholm Environment Institute at York

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:41:27 -0800
From: "WILLIAM FITZALAN, ROUGE AI, DREAMS OF ENGLAND"
Subject: um, right, hi.


        Hello, everyone whom I don't know.  I'm Rob, and I'm sort of
a list virgin, so I
        have decided to just take it all into my hands and write
something.
        I'm pretty much signed on here because of Lisa Germano, so
if anyone has cool things to say about her, you should say them.
For those other Lisaheads out there, I have some items that are some
what hard to get hold of, the first of which being her first album,
"All the way down from the moon palace" which was only released on
Major Bill records, and is now no longer made.  I realize that this
is not too impressive, so I suppose I should mention (in an effort
to make myself more important, or something) that I managed to find
purely by accident, the Inconsiderate Bitch EP, which is very cool
and almost better than Happiness. Tapes sent to me would be sent back,
with music on them, one hopes.  So write me, and I'll send you my
address.
        Wee-ha.  Lisafreaks rule.  Or something.
Watch your back.
        Rob

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 01:18:50 -0800
From: snowangel k-j (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees


> Jens recently wrote:
> > lovesliescrushing should
> >dump that goth-wannabe label they're on and sign to 4AD. 

  PROJEKT IS NOT A GOTH-WANNABE LABEL!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!
  just as 4ad is no longer a reliable source for good music.... :)

> Cool, Jens again brings up the 'goth-card' ala Johny Cochran's 'race-card'.

  so, it's all mark hitler's...uh...furhman's fault?

> Love Spirals Downwards, Eden, Soul Whirling Somewhere, O Yuki Conjugate,
> Thanatos, and Steve Roach (who all have releases on Projekt) are goth
> artist/bands, check on one of those Cleopatra records' 'Goth' comps to see
> what that kind of music is.

  if anyone wants a firsthand experience with 1995 gothdom, come out to
  southern california and i'll give you the guided tour. complete with
  trip to helter skelter and homemade diagrams of the different degrees of
  Gothkid...
  any goth i ever knew in high school {which wasn't that long ago, but
  long enough...} never even listened to projekt bands...

> Oh yeah, lovesliescrushing can just walk right into 4AD and get signed!

  only if they change their sound to heavy metal country cowpoke....
  {and that's not a put-down on tarnation, who i *like*}


  snowflakes fall upon my heart,
  k-j

  ...ready to kick any tweaker who thinks he can yell and bitch at me
  because i'm too tipsy to remember it's my turn at Monopoly...


Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 05:25:54 -0500
From: Hement Gopal (090GOPAL@UWCC.CC.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: save 4ad from the toilet bowl


six step label revival

1. Sign on Ralf Hildebeutal

2. Get the Young brothers to perform more of thier magic and handle
   an offshoot lable ala Guernica that handles only trance/ambiet/dub
   ...i'm sure Steve and Martyn will deliver the goods!!!!

3. Release a radically remixed version of Vath's ill fated Harlequin,
   Robot and Ballet Dancer (remixed by Colourbox)

4. Send V.Oliver down the rimy river withouth a lifejacket and bring
   back Grierson!!!

5. Bring back W. press...so what's a few thousand pounds between
   stablemates.

6. Elect Einexile as lable head and pro ...after the coup de tat!!
   (interested partied meet me at Alma Road...bring yer own molotov
   cocktails!!!!!)

.....ok, now that i did the self-indulgent thingie...LEAVE ME
ALONE!!!!

piss and vinegar dept
hems


Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:31:30 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: fsa

              Tain" at Oct 28, 95 03:27:11 am

Thwoo Tain  wrote:
 >
 > Just found the Outdoor Miner / Psychic Driving ep ... is rather
 > excellent .  Did this come out inbetween Distance and Further ??
 > The last 2 songs on the ep are probably FSA at their best IMHO

FSA at their worst, in mine.  The last two songs on the CD, "Land Beyond
the Sun" and "Everywhere Was Everything" came out on a 7" before
"Further", and are too formulaic for my taste - I think FSA are at their
best when they break out of that "pop songs plus noise" routine.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 30/10/95
On my walkman this morning : Can - compilation
Into his mind the turbid ebb and flow


Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 02:04:37 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: 4AD Revival


1. Adopt a new marketing strategy whereby the it sells itself as a country
and western / three chord punk label.
2.  Immiediately increase fan base 7000 percent (sudden rush of hillbillies
and reborn 45 year old punks)
3. As soon as they are successful in this sphere, go against the grain and
release interesting / experimental bands (as was done with HNIA, Dif Juz).
4. Piss these new followers off, but keep the original 4AD crowd as happy as
pigs in shit.

Chris,
Marketing manager to the Gods


Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 06:43:21 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: If it's Monday, this must be those damn used CDs...


Breeders, The                       Last Splash
         $8ppd         27-Oct-1995 slw18@columbia.edu

Breeders, The            CD         Safari
         $5            26-Oct-1995 googe@u.washington.edu

E                                   A Man Called (E)                  ;~)
         $9ppd in US   26-Oct-1995 david@pharlap.ci.com

Harvey, P.J.                        Rid of Me
         $7ppd         24-Oct-1995 marcus@vestek.com

PJ Harvey                           Rid Of Me (unopened)
         $9.00 ppd     25-Oct-1995 tetsuo@wam.umd.edu

Moby                     CD         Early Underground
         $9            27-Oct-1995 emorris@pacifier.com

Oasis                               (What's The Story) Morning Glory
         $8            29-Oct-1995 shannon@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu

Orb                                 Orbvs Terrarvm (unopened)
         $9.00 ppd     25-Oct-1995 tetsuo@wam.umd.edu

Orb                                 Pomme Frtz
         $8ppd in US   26-Oct-1995 david@pharlap.ci.com


Don't reply to me; reply to THEIR addresses...and once again I don't know any
of these people so use your own common sense when trading, etc...


marvynHortman

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:36:54 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: The CONTINUATION of 4AD, v23


        'h'y say:
>Sorry, but for me the only good thing to come out of 4AD at the moment is
>the artwork. There seems to be more time gone into this than the music.
>
>Otherness = Seefeel minus thought.

        Is this supposed to support your argument?  If you haven't noticed,
the Cocteau Twins aren't on 4AD anymore.  This statement indicates a lack
of thought regarding your position.

-cz        ....who's pretty groggy from just waking up

___<<<<<<<<<*********ckemnitz@students.wisc.edu********>>>>>>>>>___

"Names are but Noise and Smoke, obscuring Heavenly Light."    -Johann Goethe

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:17:52 -0600
From: Terry Collins (ispy@OAK.NCC.UMN.EDU)
Subject: Artistic Urges (SORRY, IGNORE!!!!)

              at Oct 27, 95 11:03:32 am

>
Sorry, ignore that previous personal message.


Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 08:07:04 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 Cd is here


  Okay, this really doesn't have anything to do with Mojave, sorry, but
k-j had mentioned polvo.  And I'm way curious, bc awhile ago I heard they
were a good noise band along the lines of mbv.  I haven't heard much
about them here or on  dreampop, so I'm assuming they arent' that close.
Does anyone know nything about them?  Give me a good description of their
sound?  Will I like them if I like mbv, medicine, lovesliescrushing,
etc?  Thanks in advance.

******************************************************************************

                                   A.I.D.S.
              We are all infected because we are all affected.........

                                  *********
                     Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. soon@unm.edu
  MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
******************************************************************************

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:07:22 -0600
From: Terry Collins (ispy@OAK.NCC.UMN.EDU)
Subject: Artistic urges...

              at Oct 27, 95 11:03:32 am

>
> There are several folks in Minneapolis meeting up for round 2 of CW and
> Belly tonight at first ave.  I will one of the first in line, look for
> a 5'4" person with longish reddish hair.  I'm hoping we can hook up
> with Patty who does all of CW's web page, mailing list stuff.  Anyhow,
> ask for Kayleigh, maybe we can take over the whole place!  cheers
>
Golly, I just know we have to hook up some time, Kayleigh!  This weekend
artistic urges got the best of me.  My friend Dan and I had an extremely
good weekend photographing in Chicago last weekend, and we decided to
take a trip up to the Iron Range on the spur of the moment Friday to
take advantage of our still hyper creative urges.  We spent the weekend up
there milling about and shooting pics.  Tell me about the concert, por
favor.  How were Catherine Wheel?  Did they play "Black Metallic"?  That's
my fave of theirs.  What comps did you score?  What are your next 1st
Ave plans?

  -T

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 08:30:29 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees


  Actually, from what I understood, projekt always hypes themselves as a
goth-ambient label.  Just read their promotional stuff.  They have Lycia,
which is a damn good goth band, if you ask me.

******************************************************************************

                                   A.I.D.S.
              We are all infected because we are all affected.........

                                  *********
                     Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. soon@unm.edu
  MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
******************************************************************************


Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:05:04 -0800
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: a slap in the face for 4ad


What I'd do if I ran 4AD:

1. Fire everyone except J. 'ivo' Beswick at the US office.

2. Reinstate Guernica-- they haven't released anything in at least a year.

3. Dump most of the current lineup except HNIA, Muses, and DCD,
   and possibly Mojave3, Air Miami, and Lisa Germano.

4. Bring back Nigel Grierson (that was a good one!)

5. Not let anyone at WB or on the 4AD staff tell me what I
   can and can't release.

6. Release ESP Summer.

7. Bring back Spoonfed Hybrid as a fully supported 4AD band.

8. Try to get Dif Juz back together (supposedly they want to).

9. Have a better relationship with fanzines and fans.

10. Sign / license the following bands: Elysium, the ex-Disco Inferno guy,
    Virginia Astley, Daniel Figgis, Alison's Halo, Luminous Orange,
    Super 31, Six String Malfunction, etc.

This bit of self-indulgent fantasy brought to you by

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:58:49 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees


Ryan rebuts:
> But whatever prejudices some may have, Projekt, is NOT a goth label.

Right, that was a cheap shot made in haste & I apologize.

> Oh yeah, lovesliescrushing can just walk right into 4AD and get signed!

Cool! Will they be doing so soon? ;-) Is this the LA or the London office?

--Jens (still struggling to get Claris Emailer's auto-signature working)


Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 12:28:09 -0500
From: "...xuxu loves xodo..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: having probs with my subscription (ignore if won't help)


sorry to bother u all who are reading this, but i am having probs with my
        subscription to this list.  i tried setting it to digest, but guess
        what?  i got a msg saying that i was not subscribed to the list.
gee wiz, then how come i am getting all these posts?  i tried reviewing my
        subscription, but there's no record of moi there. :(  i want to
        unsub then sub again, and hopefully it will fix the problem.
i remember that someone tried to unsub once before but somehow he was not on
        the list!  whatever happened to that person, and if someone helped
        him to unsub, please, help me.
thank u for the help.  i also advise all those who have not checked their
        status in the list yet to check it out as soon as possible.  perhaps
        there might be more of u in the same situation and u don't know (hey
        list veterans, i am talking to u ).

sincerely;

Joherius


                "La sottise, l'erreur, le peche, la lesine,
                Occupent nos esprits et travaillent nos corps,
                Et nous alimentons nos aimables remords,
                Comme les mendiants nourrissent leur vermine."
                                C. Baudelaire (Au Lecteur)

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:42:26 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: The sampler's worth the price


It's true, you can now walk into your neighborhood Body Shop store and
walk out with the 4AD "...think I'm getting the hang of it" promo CD
free. You don't even have to buy any pretentious personal cleansing
products. The CD doesn't exactly leap out at you, though -- they had a
big display for a CD that fights violence against women (don't ask me
how) but for the 4AD promo I had to quiz the gothchick behind the counter
and wiggle my eyebrows a bit. "Oh yeah, that other CD", she said,
reaching under the counter for it...

The cover's brilliant. Another prime entry in the "what the HELL is that
thing?" school of v23 cover art. My guess: an orange, covered with used
tea leaves, under weird lighting.

The contents? Knowing full well that this forever destroys my 4AD-L rep
that I've painstakingly spent four years building up, I must in all
honesty say that for me the Scheer track is the standout. Surrounded
though it is with track after track of DESPERATELY DULL FOLK ROCK SHIT
(and painfully I must include the work of usually-genius Jenny Toomey in
this generalization) it nonetheless manages to KICK OUT THE JAMS,
MOTHERFUCKERS. I've heard more original music, even more original
hard-rock-guitar music, but it got my blood moving. Jesus, after that
Heidi Berry track I was reaching for the defibrillators as I slumped
inexorably deeper into my easy chair, and I needed something, anything,
to restore my faith in pop music.

The Wolfgang Press remix rocks too, by the way, even if it pushes that
great Kraftwerk-y synth line into the background. But it's got some great
squidgy noises going on near the end.

Tarnation are nice as far as country goes, and Paula's got a nice voice,
but it's still country. Kendra Smith has done much better on the "Guild
Of Temporal Adventurers" CD; the track here is just DDFRS. Mojave^3's
secret unlisted track is, again, nice as far as country goes, but it's no
"Rutti" or "Miranda" or even "Alison".

So is 4AD dead? Not quite, maybe. Let's play track 5 again...

--Jens


Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:21:42 -0600
From: Holly Emmer (hemmer@RRGROUP.COM)
Subject: Re: a slap in the face for 4ad


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I'd vote 4U.
Holly

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From: Brant Dewdrops[SMTP:nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU]
Subject: a slap in the face for 4ad


What I'd do if I ran 4AD:

1. Fire everyone except J. 'ivo' Beswick at the US office.

2. Reinstate Guernica-- they haven't released anything in at least a year.

3. Dump most of the current lineup except HNIA, Muses, and DCD,
   and possibly Mojave3, Air Miami, and Lisa Germano.

4. Bring back Nigel Grierson (that was a good one!)

5. Not let anyone at WB or on the 4AD staff tell me what I
   can and can't release.

6. Release ESP Summer.

7. Bring back Spoonfed Hybrid as a fully supported 4AD band.

8. Try to get Dif Juz back together (supposedly they want to).

9. Have a better relationship with fanzines and fans.

10. Sign / license the following bands: Elysium, the ex-Disco Inferno guy,
    Virginia Astley, Daniel Figgis, Alison's Halo, Luminous Orange,
    Super 31, Six String Malfunction, etc.

This bit of self-indulgent fantasy brought to you by

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 12:38:49 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: The sampler's worth the price


>The contents? Knowing full well that this forever destroys my 4AD-L rep
>that I've painstakingly spent four years building up, I must in all
>honesty say that for me the Scheer track is the standout. Surrounded
>though it is with track after track of DESPERATELY DULL FOLK ROCK SHIT
>(and painfully I must include the work of usually-genius Jenny Toomey in
>this generalization) it nonetheless manages to KICK OUT THE JAMS,
>MOTHERFUCKERS. I've heard more original music, even more original
>hard-rock-guitar music, but it got my blood moving.

At least I'm not the only one who thinks so.  I picked up the sampler a few
days ago dreading the Scheer track after everything I'd heard about it, but
it's one of my favorites on the album.  Sure, it's not DCD, but no one
claimed it was.  The Sex Pistols are hardly intricate music, but that's not
what punk is all about.  Same thing here.  It's not nearly as difficult as
HNIA, but it's good, loud music.  I guess you either like the style or you
don't.  Of course, this is coming from one of three people in the universe
who will actually admit to liking Veruca Salt...

Jake

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:50:20 CST
From: thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees


> Projekt, is NOT a goth label.

Yes they are. Contrary to what seems to be a common opinion amonst
people on this list, not all goths are mopey, "I only listen to
the Cure and the Sisters" types. We are actually a varied lot.

If you think that Lovesliescrushing,
Love Spirals Downwards, Eden, Soul Whirling Somewhere, O Yuki Conjugate,
Thanatos, and Steve Roach (who all have releases on Projekt) are goth

Actually I would call several of these artists goth.

> check on one of those Cleopatra records' 'Goth' comps to see
> what that kind of music is.

No don't. Cleopatra are frequently just dead wrong.

later on,
Thad
"This isn't death, this is just a textural event"


Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:52:17 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees


>   any goth i ever knew in high school {which wasn't that long ago, but
>   long enough...} never even listened to projekt bands...

They did in my high school...

MIke

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:43:42 -0400
From: EZ (st953km8@DUNX1.OCS.DREXEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD IRC channel


i heard that undernet isn't that good though. i'm pretty new at the irc
thing, but i'll be watching for more info.

-eric z

"art is not a mirror held up to reality, but a hammer with which to shape it"
-Brecht


Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 14:46:02 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: having probs with my subscription (ignore if won't hel


I'll reply to the list since this question comes up somewhat often...

What's probably going on is that the address you're subscribed under
doesn't exactly match your return address when you try to unsubscribe.
This can easily happen due to mail forwarding. (For instance, I can be
reached at jens@inow.com or jens@mooseyard.com since INow handles the
mapping to my custom domain name.)

Step 1: Send a message to listserv@american.edu with "scan 4AD-L name" in
the body, where "name" is some portion of your name or e-mail address.
The listserv will send back a list of all subscribers whose
names/addresses contain that string. You should be there, and this will
show you the address you're subscribed at.

Step 2: If you have enough control over your mail program, change your
return address to the address you're subscribed with. (In Eudora or
Claris Emailer for the Mac, for instance, the settings dialog has a
Return Address field.)

Step 3: Send a "signoff 4AD-L" command to the listserv.

Step 4: Change your return address back, if necessary.

If your mail setup is not under your control, Step 2 won't work. If you
have a mail administrator who handles your Internet mail, ask her/him if
s/he can send the message for you. You need the node administrator (your
sysop) to use the single line command (as above)
    for username signoff 4AD-L
This type of command must be sent from user@node, where user is maint,
postmast, or postmaster. [This paragraph cribbed from Dr Bruce Scott,
cribbed from the FAQ.]

If all else fails, the list admin is Jim Jones, . Jim has
a better email address, but unfortunately I don't a copy of it handy...

Hope this helps!

--Jens

____________
Jens Alfke |__________________      He was once a little round ball of cells
            jens@mooseyard.com   Now he makes loud noises & sometimes smells

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:26:37 -0500
From: anaconda (anaconda@wwa.com)
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees


In article , you wrote:

and don't forget Eden, best thing since peach pie...though they were
on third mind first...but then 4AD certainly didn't pick them up...

--
======================================================================
the further i get from the things that i care about,
     the less that i care about how much further away i get...cure
======================================================================

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:29:16 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: The sampler's worth the price


  Make that four people who will admit to liking Veruca Salt.......

******************************************************************************

                                   A.I.D.S.
              We are all infected because we are all affected.........

                                  *********
                     Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. soon@unm.edu
  MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
******************************************************************************

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:19:05 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: The End of 4AD, or How to Be A Zillionaire...


>
> What you've just said is that the folk-rock stuff 4AD is putting out is
> "the big thing in the mainstream". Doesn't sound like cutting edge to me?
>
  The point is that it WAS ahead of it's time... now it's mainstream, but
back in 1991 when folksy-ish-type of albums like HB's 'Love' and half of
TMC's 'Blood' were released... it wasn't.

> That reverberating thud was my jaw hitting the floor. Don't think I've
> ever seen MBV -- who have been around since ~1985, and been refining the
> same type of sound since ~1988 -- accused of imitating Lush,

point taken.

>   As for Medicine, I think it's MBV they took their greatest inspiration,

Medicine suck anyway.  The most interesting thing about when I saw them
live was the cartoon loops they used.  And the only song I ever really
liked by them was remixed by Robin Guthrie and featured Liz Fraser on
vocals.  Garbage could wipe up the floor with Medicine's sorry asses
anyday.



By the way... I was trying to prove to my friend how Robin Guthrie is, in
my opinion, more important to the modern rock scene than Perry Farrel.
Any opinions??


Strick9


The J stands for an icky biblical name that I want erased from my fuckin'
birth certificate.


Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:38:06 -0700
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees


  I would term Thanatos, Eden, Love Spirals Downward, and most of the
people on Projekt goth bands, except for Steve Roach, but then he really
isn't on Projekt, he's on something called Celestial, isn't he?  And
Projekt does refer to themselves as the best place to find gothic-ambient
music (as pulled str8 outta their info).  I thought Cleopatra records
was industrial/dance/goth, kinda like the Sisters.  We have a separate
little section for that lable in our dance/techno section at Tower (for
all that means....).

******************************************************************************

                                   A.I.D.S.
              We are all infected because we are all affected.........

                                  *********
                     Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. soon@unm.edu
  MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
******************************************************************************

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:26:51 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: a slap in the face for 4ad


On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Brant Dewdrops wrote:

> What I'd do if I ran 4AD:
>
> 1. Fire everyone except J. Beswick at the US office.
>


Thanks, but I don't know if I'd be able to handle all the mailing.
Besides, everyone at the US office is GREAT.  REALLY nice people that i
get along with great.  <-- is that grammatically correct??

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:17:10 -0800
From: "Michael S. Fischer" (msf@NSI.EDU)
Subject: Re: projekt mailing list?


On Sun, 29 Oct 1995, Micah Newman wrote:

>         Hey, whatever happened to that Projekt mailing list someone said
> a month or two ago they were going to set up? That would've been fun.

It's still in the process of being set up...I ran into a problem setting
up Majordomo and I haven't had time to fix it due to midterms.  As soon
as that's done we'll be all set.  Give me another week or two.

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 |\  Michael S. Fischer                           System Administrator  _O_
 |   Internet: mfischer@nsi.edu            The Neurosciences Institute   |
()   Phone: 619.626.2000  Pager: 619.645.5693            San Diego, CA   |


Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:43:36 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: a slap in the face for 4ad


>What I'd do if I ran 4AD:

4. Bring back Nigel Grierson (that was a good one!)

Grierson was a great photographer and filmmaker...BUT! When I visited
Vaughan Oliver's
studio v23 (and I am not bsing on that, ask him yourself), Chris Bigg
mentioned that Vaughan
and Nigel had had a falling out after they folded 23 envelope. So I'm not
sure how soon that
will come into being. I like Kevin Westenberg's work  though, as well as
Larbelestier so...
but a couple of dark videos and especially a few more by the Brothers Quay
would really
be a welcome addition.

8. Try to get Dif Juz back together (supposedly they want to).

This would be a good one as well as Xmal Deutschland, I would like to see
where they have gone
since releasing Tocsin.


Steve

20th Century"



The Truth is out there.

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:50:27 -0800
From: Elvia Tarango (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: The End of 4AD, or How to Be A Zillionaire...


>just my 2 cents worth
>
>in some i/view of years gone bye *sniff sniff* Ivo said that since
>4ad was begun in 1980 the right thing would be to fold it in december
>1990....its a damn shame that the sod didn't follow this thru!!!
>
>he breaks our legs and we say thank you when he hands us crutches!!
>
>piss and vinegar dept
>hemsy

You have a wonderful sense of humor. Keep it up...
>From a not-so-serious-4AD-fan

Fred/Derf

(c/o elvia@uclink3.berkley.edu)

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:45:47 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: The sampler's worth the price


>  Make that four people who will admit to liking Veruca Salt.......

Make that 5 now.

20th Century"



The Truth is out there.


Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:25:50 -0800
From: Elvia Tarango (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: a slap in the face for 4ad


>This would be a good one as well as Xmal Deutschland, I would like to see
>where they have gone
>since releasing Tocsin.

I do like them Xmal Deutschland fellas!

Fred/Derf

(c/o elvia@uclink3.berkley.edu)

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:54:46 -0800
From: snowangel k-j (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: The End of 4AD, or How to Be A Zillionaire...


On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, J Beswick (c.l.g.e.) wrote:

> Medicine suck anyway.  The most interesting thing about when I saw them
> live was the cartoon loops they used.  And the only song I ever really
> liked by them was remixed by Robin Guthrie and featured Liz Fraser on
> vocals.  Garbage could wipe up the floor with Medicine's sorry asses
> anyday.

  WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

  garbage suck. medicine were awesome. may they rest in peace.
  that guthrie mix is hokey. too cute for such a band. and liz..hahaha
  singing in the background..again...hokey....

  shame on you,
  k-j


  ...planning a funeral for 4ad...


Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:04:12 -0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Projekt:the goth wannabees


>>   any goth i ever knew in high school {which wasn't that long ago, but
>>   long enough...} never even listened to projekt bands...
>
>They did in my high school...

Well, Projekt didn't exist when i was in high school and the word "goth"
wasn't abused yet (but not much else has changed in that movement in the
last 10 years) AND we listened to bands like Bauhaus, Cocteau Twins, Dead
Can Dance, Clan of Xymox, The Wolfgang Press, X-mal Deutchland (...ring any
bells?).  So does that mean 4AD is/was a goth label?  I don't personally
think that either label is goth (or goth wannabe).  Though many goths seem
to enjoy the music put out by these labels so too do many other types.  What
is this prediliction with pigeon-holing music into broad categories that
mean absolutely NOTHING!  (anyone remember the "alternative" debate?)
Gothic is more a term that i consider to classify a subculture of people who
choose to adopt common styles and not necessarily a type of music since so
many of the bands *called* "goth" have VERY different sounds.  Sisters of
Mercy vs. Cocteau Twins, Christian Death vs. Love Spirals Downwards, Dead
Can Dance vs. Alien Sex Fiend, Siouxsie vs. Lycia.

        Call them "goth" or not, i'll still join the projekt mailing list.
Ahhh, LSD and Eden discussions will abound and no-one will know if i'm
wearing black along the disinformation super-highway.

-cz


Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:28:08 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Thislisty(?) upcoming releases


Courtesy of the Ear/Rational pre-orders list, here are some intriguing
things coming out soon. I've sorted them in [declining] order of thislistiness:

V23-1996 Calendar $31.50
4AD's in house design teem v23 have produced a "calendar" for the new
year.  Like their previous two (which have become much sought after
collector's items) it's impractical as a calendar and might be better
thought of as a collection of 14 unique photographs. Full color through
out with occasional use of metallic inks- lt is wire bound at the top.
Limited to only 4,000 for the world and is destined to appeal to both
4AD fans and those interested in contemporary design. Don't miss it!

Moose-Live A Little, Love A Lot CD BIAS32OCD $21.75
Their 3rd album, and packaged once again in their idiosyncratic collage
style- Eleven beautiful and charming pop songs, and Liz Fraser provides
backing vocals on "Play God". On P.I.A.S.

St. Etienne-Too Young To Die LP/CD/DCD HVNLP1OL/HVNLP10CD/10CDX
$14.25/$19.00/20.25
UK only best of. The standard CD features 14 tracks like "Hug My Soul",
"Like A Motorway", "Kiss & Make Up", "You're In a Badway", etc.
The extra CD has 9 remixes--As there's some confusion among the UK
exporters whether there exist two separate digital formats, or just
one double CD, I'm preselling both so all bases are covered. On Heavenly.

Dax, Danielle-Timber Tongue 12"/CDS $11.75
Four brand new tracks from the Queen of Kitsch- "Timber Tongue" &
"Monti" would not sound out of place on the Tricky or Goldie albums,
and the other two tracks would easily give Stereolab a run for their
money. So sez the folks at the World Serpent headquarters.  12" ltd-
color vinyl. Biter of Thorpe-

Nurse With Wound-Yagga Blues CDS UDO99CD $10.50
Three brand new tracks that Stereclab, Pram, and Julian Cope would died
to have made- This ought to bring out the avant-garde kids in your
neighborhood, and just in time for Christmas, too! United Daries


Here's the ordering info if you want to get this stuff from Ear/Rational
as soon as it comes out. Don't be clueless and send me [Jens] mail, I'm
just the messenger:

>If you wish to pre-order a title, send email with the subject of PRE-ORDER
>to ear-rational@xmission.com.  In the message, list the titles you wish to
>pre-order.  DO NOT list regular catalog titles in your message.
>
>not sure you want it.  It is quite possible that you will pre-order a CD and
>then see it at your local shop before I get it to you.  If you have to have
>it the day it is released, then don't pre-order it from me (they have to be
>shipped to me, and then I have to ship them to you).  A pre-order is like a
>contract.  You are asking me to commit to buying a CD, and therefore I
>expect
>you to follow through and purchase it.  If you place a pre-order and fail to
>purchase the CD, you will no longer be allowed to place pre-orders.


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