Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 23:06:22 -0400
I was visiting a friend of mine over this weekend and early week in San
The trip was perfect alas one detail, I was to fly back to Texas the day Lisa
Gerrard was slated to play in town. I was bummed!!
I checked with the airline and the cost of an extension was just too much,
even for a heavenly event.
I was walking in downtown San Fran after spending some time in Chinatown and,
after stepping off the bus, I saw the biggest music store I've ever seen .
I usually perfer indiw stores because I can find great obscure shit that I
love (Like the ESP Summer 10" I found @ Aquarius Records in Noe Valley
Anyway I went in to this megastore, Virgin records megastore in fact, and the
place was HUGE. They even had their own D.J. !!
I was shopping around for take home gifts listening to this d.j. and he
started playing Dead Can Dance. I thought it appropriate due to the show the
next night. After the song was over he announced that Lisa Gerrard would be
in the store in two hours.
I ran down the street, bought some flowers, and camped my butt in line. And I
was not disappointed.
I had already bought the Mirror Pool in Texas and did not want to by another
just to get a signature. She signed the photo of herself that I had tore from
a local magazine feature and she was very sweet and gracious. "Don't feel
you have to buy anything I do this to meet people." she said.
I begged her to come to Texas but she said it was "..too far." I did not want
to overstep the moment and point out that from England Texas was actually
closer than San Fran.
And then I left.
If I had to miss the show I flew home with the second best experince I could
have hoped for.
Sorry for rambling.
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 21:37:56 -0700
Here is a current list of the bids on my CDs.
If you were out bidded, feel free to up the bid.
(reply to firstname.lastname@example.org)
Belly - Feed the Tree (BAD 3001 CD).........................Min $6
Belly - Judas My Heart-Promo w/ 5 Tracks, 2 B-sides 2 Live. Current $10 andrew
Breeders - Divine Hammer (US, 4 Tracks).........................$3
Cocteau Twins - Summerhead (1 Track Promo 3:37, US)..........Min $2
Heidi Berry - Distant Thunder (4 Track promo w/ 2 b-sides)...Min $6
Heidi Berry - The Moon and the Sun (Bad 3010 CD)............Current $8 Shri
Lush - Sweetness & Light (BAD 0013 CD).....................Current $11 Allis
Lush - Mad Love (BAD 0003 CD)...............................Current $10 DaveP
Lush - Hypocrite (BAD 4008 CD) (4 Tracks/New in Shrink.......Min $6
Michael Brook & U. Srinivas (2 track Sampler)................Min $2
Pixes - Gigantic (Bad 805 CD)...............................Current $6 Shri
Pixes - Here Comes Your Man (BAD 909 CD)....................Current $6 Michae
Pixes - Monkey Gone to Heaven (BAD 904 CD)..................Current $6 Michae
Pixes - Dig For Fire (Rare 3" CD on Rough Trade, 4 tracks)..Current $6 Michae
Red House Painters - (8 Tracks) (cad 3016 CD)...............Current $6 Elvia
Throwing Muses - Counting Backwards (US, 3 Tracks)..........Current $6 steph
Wolfang Press - A girl Like You (BAD 2006 CD)...............Current $8 Justin
Non-4AD, but of interest
Slowdive - Morningrise EP...................................Current $20 Michae
Chapterhouse - We are the Beautiful (promo/4 tracks)........Current $3 maryann
Loop - Arc Lite (SIT 64 CD) 3 Track import..................Current $3 James C
Sloan - Peppermint Ep, 6 Tracks (Murderecords)..............Current $3 Nate
Seefell - Starethrough EP (Import)..........................Current $9 David P
FULL LENGTH CDS
Cocteau Twins/Harold Budd - The Moon And the Melodies.......Current $23 Michae
Michael Brook - Live at the Aquarium (London Zoo May 1992)..........$7
Swallow - Blow......................................................$7
Tarnation - Gentle Creatures........................................$8
Throwing Muses - University.........................................$7
Red House Painters - (14 Tracks)(dad 3008 CD................Current $7 Allison
Lonely is and Eyesore - 4AD Compilatio......................Current $16 steph
Shed Seven - Change Giver...........................................$7
The Auction will be closing in a day or two. Please send last bids in soon.
($2 dollar increments)
Thanks for looking.
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 00:59:22 -0400
As the subject says, so here it is.
I didn't go; I saw REM in Philly
instead at the GF's request...whatever.
In Battle Between Alterna-Heavyweights, Catherine Wheel Is Decisive Winner
Thursday night's double bill of Catherine Wheel and Belly at New York's
Academy was a case of two critics' darlings headed in opposite directions.
After the surprising success of their 1993 gold-selling debut "Star,"
expectations were enormous for Belly's 1995 follow-up, "King." However,
despite mostly positive reviews, the band's nonstop touring and their
coronation as the "shiny happy people of power pop" on the cover of Rolling
Stone, "King" has more or less fallen on its face, selling barely 200,000
Flip side: With their third record, "Happy Days," Catherine Wheel has
released their strongest, most cohesive effort to date and are slowly
beginning to reap the rewards of success.
Consequently, it was little surprise that -- to be blunt -- Catherine Wheel
blew Belly off the stage Thursday night and in the process established
themselves as one of the tightest, most powerful live acts on the circuit.
"Happy Days" finds Catherine Wheel adopting a more tight-fisted, punkish
attack rather than the atmospheric mood-rock swings found on their previous
releases, "Ferment" and "Chrome." Fueled by the two-pronged attack of
guitarist/vocalist Rob Dickinson and guitarist Brian Futter, Catherine Wheel
roared through a 75-minute set with an urgent ferocity. Crushing versions of
"Little Muscle" and "Waydown" -- both from "Happy Days" -- stood out as
examples of the band's deft ability to combine volume and power with
razor-sharp melodies. Despite their tougher stance, though, Catherine Wheel
easily downshifted into epic guitar journeys, as evinced by the delicate
"Eat My Dust You Insensitive Fuck" and a 10-minute version of their
near-classic "Black Metallic."
Unfortunately for Belly, the highlight of their portion of the show came
when lead singer Tanya Donelly joined Catherine Wheel onstage, performing a
duet with Dickinson on a raw version of "Judy Staring at the Sun." Launching
into "Now They'll Sleep" -- arguably the weakest track from "King" -- Belly
played a complacent 85-minute show that never really caught a spark.
Moreover, their performance exposed the band's greatest weakness -- an
inability to translate the intensity and wistfulness of their recorded
material to a live setting. Belly finally found a groove with a rock-solid
stab at "Low Red Moon" -- dedicated to Oasis, members of which were glued to
the venue's bar -- and the peppy "Red." But by then, the handwriting was on
the wall: Belly's star, one of the brightest at the beginning of the year,
is slowly fizzling out.
-- MATT HENDRICKSON <email@example.com> / Copyright 1995 by Rolling
"Are you allgeric to the 20th Century?"
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 21:52:55 -0700
For anyone interested, I just got word from the program director at the
Great Amercan Music Hall in San Frnacisco, California, that they are trying
to put together a show with 'RHP' at the Noe Valley ministry in the City.
They're planning it for December 8th or 9th. I was told to keep checking
their web site.That's all I know. If you want the GAMH's URL, e-mail me.
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 00:04:39 -0700
What's this...? MORE BID UPDATES! Wheeee! Didn't we just
get over a whole stink about posting these to the list?
Actually, I don't really care if people post them or not,
but I do hope we're not all going to go through the whole
mess again. For those who missed it, the general consensus
was PLEASE DON'T POST BID UPDATES. Please handle them privately.
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| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 02:35:50 -0400
Granted...these may not be considered extra-special items, I still need to
get rid of them - dare I call them "clutter" in my humble domicile.
This is *not* an auction. Prices are firm. No haggling please. FIRST COME
FIRST SERVED. Mailing/shipping costs waived.
-His Name Is Alive: In Every Ford (cutout), CD5, $2.00
-Cocteau Twins: Iceblink Luck, CD5, $4.00
Tarnation, Air Miami, Mojave, Belly, TWP, Heidi Berry, Lisa Germano,
Liquorice, Kendra Smith and The Amps.
IMPORTANT NOTE: If you're interested, contact me BC...NOT on the list. If
you reply to the list, I won't hear you *and* you'll piss quite a few people
off as I have in my subscriber days.
Check or MO accepted, "trust" references avail upon request. Advance payment
buys the treats. See you online.
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 00:45:51 -0700
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 18:39:01 EDT
I just got this info from Beggers Banquet about
Carl's new album/band. It is NOT death metal.
sorry about the delay-technical problems
The new album - called Zoon - will be released early next year and preceded by
a single (title tbc) No tour plans yet
thats all so far
confirmed dates will follow
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:52:53 PDT
Sorry, with all the continual messages I have lost my clear
thinking regarding these latest Cocteau releases. Please correct
me if I'm wrong.
"Needfire" was a song from "Judge Dredd". (How can it be acquired?)
except for buying the soundtrack.
Twinlights" - a four track EP.
I thought there was going to be a second EP - " Milk and Kisses" (or
something). If so, is this out or is it still pending.
"Otherness" I assume is the Album?
If I'm way off track here please update me.
I am allowed to be confused......
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:08:06 -0400
... just received my weekly shipment from the UK, and they have sent me an
extra copy (and charged me for it!) of the new Tindersticks limited-edition
live CD. "The Bloomsbury Theatre 12-3-95". 14 tracks.... I'll sell the
extra to someone for my cost: $15.00+$2.00 shipping = $17.00. (By the way,
the Cocteau Twins "Otherness" was in here, too: can't wait to hear it! The
packaging is handsome.) Thanks, JaySenese@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:17:44 -0500
pulled out further again today. definately one of my fave albums. i,
unlike most, bought this one first, and was quite surprised when i bought
the first one because the female singer on further is not present on the
first album. she's not on the outdoor miner cd5 either. is she in the
band? come to think of it, does anyone know the names of any of the band
members? i have to say, though, that i like the accoustic further much
more than i like the s/t.
home taping is reinventing music.
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:13:28 -0400
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 14:13:31 -0700
I have access to the upcoming Trash Can Sinatras album "A Happy
Pocket", which isn't scheduled for release until next year! Unlike
the @#%$! on the TCS list, we are willing to share :) If you want a
copy, all we're asking for is a copy of a live show, TCS preferred,
but really, any cool pop band would do. Um, please e-mail ME if you
are interested in this trade and tell me
a) what band/show date and location you are willing to trade
b) your mailing address
I will get back to you if it's all good and send the address which
you should send the live show to! And then your copy of the NEW TCS
will be on its happy way!
OH...and I also have a list of some EXTREMELY rare TCS items that
are being actioned off, so if you are interested in that, e-mail me
as well. Some of this stuff is way out of print, limited, etc. Very
Thanks! Oh, please respond quickly, as I don't want to be getting
requests for the new album way into December and all! :)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 20:38:55 -0400
>Is there anyone who has any idea what's the title (and the point!) of the
>hidden, 5th track on the Scheer 'Schism' CD-EP? (it isn't on the 12")
I know there are some weird shenanigans in the UK about "cd singles" or "eps"
having only 4 tracks. So, 4ad has been known to sneak on a fifth track while
only listing 4 (as in "the dirt eaters/his name is alive"). Doesn't explain
why the track is not on the vinyl (space limitations?)...
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:10:51 -0700
now that i'm more awake and am paying a bit more atention to detail,
the hnia discog. will be 100% revised by tonight. i left out a lot of
odds and ends, but it's all squared away and i'm gonna fix up some
lame typos and incorrect info right now. if'n you want a copy of the
super-duper ultrakeen all fixed up version, e-mail me and ask for
one and i'll mail it as an attached file. also, time stereo &
pd-m discographies are separate and if you want those just ask..i
should have those up tonight...
i was originally against this but on the subject of bootlegs...
i can list all the ones i know of. if anyone cares to send me info on
what they have or have seen, that would be kool. maybe we can get some
underground hnia taping ring going or something *snicker* ...though,
relying on me or jOHN for tapes is like waiting for li'l piglets to
sprout wings and fly...
oink and flutter,
...grasshopper and spiral..they're both so darn cute...
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 03:48:16 -0700
Yes, the girl is part of the band. Fsa is a Bristol duo,
consisting of Dave Pearce and Rachel Brook. If you're a fan of her vocal
work on "Further," then you should try to find the two 7"'s that her side
project, Movietone, has out on Planet Records. There's also an album in
the works. I've recently heard rumors that Fsa have broken up. Anyone?
Although, "Further" is quite good, I still prefer "Distance."
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 06:49:08 -0400
>is the cocteau's 'otherness' ep being released in the states or what?
>*** the record-store-dude told me it would be out tomorrow (Fri), but
>you know those record-store-dudes...I'll keep my fingers crossed!! :)
I don't know if the released schedules are different, but it's already out
here in Canada - I got my copy the other day and it is amazing.
If there's one thing I hate record companies for, it's for saying a record
is already out or "in stores now" but you can't find it anywhere. I saw a
Polydor ad for Mojave and some other stuff but haven't seen the CD yet. Can
someone tell me what the cover looks like, so I'll know when I see it?
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:15:49 CDT
at Oct 26, 95 9:37 pm
> The Auction will be closing in a day or two. Please send last bids in soon.
> ($2 dollar increments)
So SOON? Why not draaaagggg it out for a few more weeks?
I bid a billion dollars for the whole lot, wait make that
a billion and two dollars. Aren't you glad you waited?
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 12:51:05 +0000
On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Noah Slankard wrote:
> the works. I've recently heard rumors that Fsa have broken up. Anyone?
> Although, "Further" is quite good, I still prefer "Distance."
Umm. Must have been very recently. They played a set in Glasgow a couple
of weeks ago which I, of course, missed out on. Let's hope it isn't so...
"Distance" is brilliant. (Thanks spiral :)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:38:54 +0100
I have been told this (Kristin Hersh 's "holy single" )is going to be
released by Rykodisc in the USA,will 4ad distribute it in Europe or
do we have to pay the high US-import prices?
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:41:14 +0100
i would feel really lame, if i screwed up the order in that title!
anyway, does anyone have the new "Twinlights"? this song is on it,
which, i guess, is originally from "Echoes in a Shallow Bay" (as far as i
know). it has a much more relaxing, softer effect on "Twinlights", which
is nice and all, but i prefer the old version. comments?
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:39:56 +0100
ok, ok. . .is a new album coming out or something? i'm getting mixed
messages here. i read from some magazine or something that they have two
new ep releases (one of which i have now, "Twinlights"). what's this i
hear about an album? what's this "Otherness"? does this mean a tour is
coming up? and, if so, where can i get the dates? it's hard for me to
find this sort of information (i'm in an obscure little town in
Germany!). anyway, sorry for all the questions. but some one please help!
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:37:29 +0100
A friend of mine just sent me (from California to Germany) the new
"Twinlights" (ep), but I had no idea there was another one! What is this
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:46:46 -0700
> So it seems that at a certain point a release was cancelled or re-scheduled.
> Any suggestions?
This could be one of a couple of things....
It could have something to do with the Mojave album delay, or even the
Breeders album that was scrapped... I don't know, how long before
releasing them are the pressed??
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:57:27 -0700
On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Guy Vandekerckhove wrote:
> I have been told this (Kristin Hersh 's "holy single" )is going to be
> released by Rykodisc in the USA,will 4ad distribute it in Europe or
> do we have to pay the high US-import prices?
I posted this last week... "The Holy EP" will be released by 4AD with
cat. no. TAD 5017
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:38:48 +0100
wow. . . .
as for myself, i have recently moved to germany where she played only 2
shows, i think, in the entire country (the whole european tour was quite
small itself) and i, unfortunately, could not attend either.
thanks for the story, i feel better now.
i really like "Swan Song" (is that what it's called? you'll have to
forgive me, i've only just recently bought it, and i don't have it in
front of me right now. i do know it's track 14 though). this song
actually makes me think of Natasha Atlas in a way with that beautiful and
intense Arabic (actually, i suppose you might call it Turkish
considering l. gerrard's cultural heritage?) sound.
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:04:03 CST
In Message Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:38:54 +0100,
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 12:22:04 -0700
I don't know. I'm starting to think that after a decade of 4ad, that their
time is over...I think its time to find a new label...like Matador or
something to that effect. After the Red House Painter situation and just
the general same-ness of recent albums by various groups, I feel that a new
movement needs to be found. I would like to hear comments on this. Please
don't flame...this is just a thought of day.
Lightnin' Power to All
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:31:11 -0700
Oct 25, 95 11:58:22 pm
The Slowdive EP is going to be sold for $22 unless you bid higher than that
in the next day (till saturday).
Let me know if interested,
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:49:40 -0700
Koch on Fri, 27 Oct 1995 06:49:08 -0400)
>>is the cocteau's 'otherness' ep being released in the states or what?
>>*** the record-store-dude told me it would be out tomorrow (Fri), but
>>you know those record-store-dudes...I'll keep my fingers crossed!! :)
>I don't know if the released schedules are different, but it's already out
>here in Canada - I got my copy the other day and it is amazing.
I got my copy yesterday at Off the Record in Hillcrest, in uptown San
Diego. It was an imported Fontana digipak (yecch), but it was
reasonably priced at $9.99 (not bad for an import).
The inside front cover is strikingly similar to that of Funky Little
Demons by The Wolfgang Press.
Feet Like Fins 5.30
Seekers Who Are Lovers 5.41
Cherry-Coloured Funk 5.07
Of the four songs, I think Violaine is the most original and
brilliant. The new versions of Feet Like Fins and Cherry-Coloured
Funk don't really sound much like their original versions, neither in
instrumentation nor in form (unlike Pink Orange Red in Twinlights,
where the instrumentation was different but the form was basically the
To be frank, I don't like the new versions, nor Seekers Who Are Lovers
that much. The new versions, in a nutshell, take a single phrase from
their original versions and repeat them over and over and over for 5
minutes until you're utterly bored with them. *sigh*
The instrumentation throughout is rather interesting. It's like
Cocteau Twins meet percussion sounds normally used in techno and slow,
deep bass like in gangsta rap songs. Kinda funny, but used in a
reasonably okay fashion.
Violaine is brilliant in its use of those elements--I call it Cocteau
Twins meet The Police--percussion comes alive (complete with echoing
rim shots and short bursts of high hat) against a syncopated, low bass
To top it all off with whipped cream and a cherry, Liz has returned to
her wonderful old voice--beautiful yet incomprehensible.
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:01:37 -0400
>pulled out further again today. definately one of my fave albums. i,
>unlike most, bought this one first, and was quite surprised when i bought
>the first one because the female singer on further is not present on the
>first album. she's not on the outdoor miner cd5 either. is she in the
>band? come to think of it, does anyone know the names of any of the band
>members? i have to say, though, that i like the accoustic further much
>more than i like the s/t.
>home taping is reinventing music.
i've had their first for a bit now and just copied their second. their
names are david pearce and rachel brook. theres a little interview with
them in the new AP. its actually a pretty cool iss asside from red hot
chili peppers on the cover. it also has the ropers, medicine and luna and
some other stuff someone might like.
"art is not a mirror held up to reality, but a hammer with which to shape it"
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:33:05 -0700
For those of you who were looking forward to the Swirlies
tonight at Las Palmas Theatre, it has unfortunately been
cancelled due to an electrical fire recently at the theatre.
They're not back up and running quite yet, so the show has been
moved to The Velvet Room for tomorrow night (Saturday).
There's a Swirlies EP coming out in a month or so, and the
album won't be out until February.
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 22:44:56 +0000
The subscribe address is firstname.lastname@example.org
I don't know but I think you only put subscribe in the body, maybe
followed by you real name. It seems we have a few people already who are
unfamiliar to 4ad-l yet are L. Germano experts (i.e. a couple
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:50:43 -0700
Can someone please telll me if sunny sundae smile by my bloodied
valentines is any good? I would really like to know and surely there are
others out there who have wondered the same. everybody knows the old
stuff is supposed to be awful. kevin says it himself. i mean the '85
stuff. but sss is from '87 i think. sorry, too tired to check. i only
got 2 hours of sleep. anyway, I personally think ecstacy and wine is
very entertaining. just messy pop songs but good ones i think. and the
cd i have says 1987 so what i want to know is does sunny sundae smile
sound anything like ecstacy and wine? If i find out it doesn't then i
won't be as tempted to pay $50 for it. Thanks for reading and possibly
saving me $$$
oh and one more thing. i should do a separate message but am too lazy.
please answer both questions, okay? thank you. here's #2: So what
broke the three legged cat's 4th leg? That one web page says "the mirror
tumbled on me i cried" but i'm not sure if mirror sounds right. I want
to know so i can sing along correctly (at home in my room not bothering
anybody) Thank you all once again and good night for a long time i hope.
the very sleepy little boy
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:43:43 -0700
Last I heard, Emma used an Alesis Quadraverb, at least one overdrive or
distortion, and a Digitech Whammy pedal. For those trying to duplicate
the Lush sounds, some of Miki's effects would sound different with
six-string guitars than the twelve strings that she often uses.
On Mon, 16 Oct 1995, Chadwick Dorton wrote:
> Miki uses BOSS pedals on a BOSS power supply board. I could not for the
> life of me tell what Emma was using. It seemed Miki had the standard
> battery of BOSS pedals. Stereo Chorus, somoe kind of Distortion pedal,
> more than one Delay pedal, a flanger, etc....
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:25:43 -0500
I can't help but wonder either. With many of their longtime best acts
defecting at a rapid rate (TWP, RHP most recently) and the, ahem,
lackluster quality of their new signees (Licourice, Air Miami, K Smith)
it's definitely cause for concern whether or not 4AD will have anything
exceptional to offer in the future. Don't know if we'll ever get another
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:53:37 -0700
>I don't know. I'm starting to think that after a decade of 4ad, that their
>time is over
Fifteen years, actually, if you're talking about 4AD's lifetime (their
"13 Year Itch" celebration was in 1993.) Or maybe you mean that you've
been listening to 4AD for ten years?
>...I think its time to find a new label...
There is a hallowed tradition of "4AD is dead" threads/flames on this
list, dating at least back to the time I joined in '92. In general they
don't really seem to shed any light. I mean, I agree with you; the last
thing I bought on 4AD that was really a keeper was probably Unrest's
"Cath Carroll" EP. I still have Lush's last album but haven't really
listened to it in over a year. I have Air Miami's album but haven't
decided whether I like it enough to keep it. (However, I have extremely
high hopes for Mojave3...)
But I'm not sure there's another label one can switch such loyalty over
to. Too Pure was it for a while for me, but for some reason they let all
their best bands leave or split up (Stereolab, PJ Harvey, Th Faith
Healers, Seefeel) and the stuff that's left doesn't enthuse me too much,
apart from Laika. Although I hear great things about the new Mouse On Mars LP.
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:35:31 -0700
Michael Fischer writes:
>To be frank, I don't like the new versions, nor Seekers Who Are Lovers
>that much. The new versions, in a nutshell, take a single phrase from
>their original versions and repeat them over and over and over for 5
>minutes until you're utterly bored with them. *sigh*
That's the bad side of Seefeel [Mark Clifford's band] -- when they're
uninspired they do exactly that, although there are usually some levels
of complexity going on, like multiple loops of different lengths going in
and out of phase.
>The instrumentation throughout is rather interesting. It's like
>Cocteau Twins meet percussion sounds normally used in techno and slow,
>deep bass like in gangsta rap songs. Kinda funny, but used in a
>reasonably okay fashion.
What you're describing is ambient dub, which Seefeel at their best are
I haven't heard "Otherness" yet, but from what I read, those who like it
but are unfamiliar with Seefeel need to RUN out and pick up either
"Polyfusia" (a comp of their first two EPs) or "Quique" (their first
album). Both are fabulous, esp. the former. (The later EP "Starethrough"
has a wonderful title track but the rest drags, and I wouldn't recommend
their latest album "Succour", which is rather sterile.)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:10:17 +0100
Ignore this completely, just joined and wanted to check if my mail got
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:54:36 -0700
> I don't know. I'm starting to think that after a decade of 4ad, that their
> time is over...
I'm afraid I'm starting to agree, after hearing the "Facing The
Wrong Way" compilation last night. It's hard to believe this is the
same label that brought us Lonely Is An Eyesore. On FTWW,
most of the material is just plain dull (RHP, Heidi Berry, Liquorice),
to generic (Belly), to annoying (Tarnation), to downright boring
(Kendra Smith), to awful (Scheer, Amps).
Where's the beauty (besides Lisa Gerrard)? Where's the
experimentation (HNIA, where are you?) The originality,
for crying out loud? Some of the recent stuff is... nice,
like RHP and Heidi Berry, but it's not the kind of thing
to really get people fired up. It's like, yeah this is
OK, but it's more like background music than something you
really want to pay full attention to. Liquorice is just lame
Tsunami-lite; Tarnation was good live, but what I've heard of
the CD really put me off; Belly lost whatever spark they
once had, as did Lush (Robin Guthrie was the best thing
that ever happened to them); I haven't made up my mind about
Air Miami or Mojave yet. So who's going to save the label?
His Name Is Alive, Dead Can Dance (plus solo projects),
and Throwing Muses (after years of slagging them off, and after
being ready to drive the final nail into their coffin after
Red Heaven, I was delighted by University, by far their best
effort since House Tornado).
That's my opinion... what's yours?
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 01:39:36 +0200
This cd 'Pacer' by Kim's Apms is great fun!
The last track (dedicated) is just... er ... Breeders!
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:40:31 PST
>> I don't know. I'm starting to think that after a decade of 4ad, that
>>their time is over...
>I'm afraid I'm starting to agree, after hearing the "Facing The
>Wrong Way" compilation last night. It's hard to believe this is
>the same label that brought us Lonely Is An Eyesore. On FTWW,
>most of the material is just plain dull (RHP, Heidi Berry,
>Liquorice), to generic (Belly), to annoying (Tarnation), to downright
>boring (Kendra Smith), to awful (Scheer, Amps).
I don't know if it is fair to compare FTWW with LIAE. One is a promotional
sampler with material from current releases, the other is made up of
material not available elsewhere, and in a few cases recorded especially
for LIAE (I might be wrong about that!). My point being, I think the
artists had more input into LIAE than FTWW.
>Where's the beauty (besides Lisa Gerrard)? Where's the
>experimentation (HNIA, where are you?) The originality,
>for crying out loud? ^^^^^^^^^^^
I think this is key to the whole issue of "4AD, now
vs.then". When I was introduced to 4AD in the mid-80's,
the label was made up of bands who (for the most part)
sounded like nobody else at that time. Maybe the music
world has changed too much. It is becoming harder to find
new (pop) music which doesn't refer to something I've
heard before. I'm not saying that it is impossible, it is
just that so-called "alternative" has become mainstream,
so bands now have to distinguish themselves from what was
"alternative" 10 years ago.
>Some of the recent stuff is... nice, like RHP and Heidi
>Berry, but it's not the kind of thing to really get
>people fired up. It's like, yeah this is OK, but it's
>more like background music than something you
>really want to pay full attention to.
I would have to disagree with you here regarding RHP. I can't
think of many bands who cover the lyrical territory RHP does
and can come across as sound as sincere as RHP. I
So who's going to save the label? His Name Is Alive, Dead Can
Dance (plus solo projects),and Throwing Muses (after years of
slagging them off, and after being ready to drive the final
nail into their coffin after Red Heaven, I was delighted by
University, by far their best effort since House Tornado).
I would have to agree that DCD and HNIA are the current 4AD bands which
continue the 80's originality tradition. Although for a while I thought
Into the Labyrinth was a misstep for DCD, because it sounded a little
"new-agey" at times. I have since grown to really like it, and I was quite
impressed with Towards the Within (especially Rakim). I will also agree
that the Muses are back on track after Red Heaven. There are other current
4AD releases I like (Kendra Smith, Tarnation, Lisa Germano), but they just
don't have the same impact as when I hear "Treasure" or "The Serpents Egg"
I am completely unable to explain why Scheer and The Amps are on _any_
record label (Ivo must feel some loyality to Kim Deal for some reason,
other than Pod, she hasn't done anything worthwhile since the Pixies, IMHO).
There, that's what I think...
Martin (not to be confused with the other one on this list)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 22:33:13 -0400
Or maybe the name of this list could be changed to "If it's not dreamy,
ethereal, or depressing we hate it" I don't think 4AD has changed. It's your
tatse in music that hasn't changed. The 4AD I've been following for the past
10 years has always put out a variety of music.
"Pump Up The Volume" was hardly one to get all emotional over and goth out
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:34:02 -0400
All this information is on the Cocteau Twins web page:
>"Needfire" was a song from "Judge Dredd". (How can it be acquired?)
>except for buying the soundtrack.
It won't be otherwise released... :(
>I thought there was going to be a second EP - " Milk and Kisses" (or
>something). If so, is this out or is it still pending.
>"Otherness" I assume is the Album?
"Milk & Kisses" is the forthcoming album. "Otherness" is the ambient EP,
already available in the UK and Canada (according to 4ad-l'ers), set for Nov
21 here in the states. Hopefully, copies will sneak over sooner...
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:01:53 -0700
thanks for posting this, i love "Happy Days" except for that damn judy
song, hope there is an eclipse. anyhow, i appreciate the attempt at
providing "equal time" if anything. thanks again
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:03:32 -0700
There are several folks in Minneapolis meeting up for round 2 of CW and
Belly tonight at first ave. I will one of the first in line, look for
a 5'4" person with longish reddish hair. I'm hoping we can hook up
with Patty who does all of CW's web page, mailing list stuff. Anyhow,
ask for Kayleigh, maybe we can take over the whole place! cheers
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 03:27:11 +0930
Kvebaek" at Oct 27, 95 12:51:05 pm
> On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Noah Slankard wrote:
> > the works. I've recently heard rumors that Fsa have broken up. Anyone?
> > Although, "Further" is quite good, I still prefer "Distance."
> Umm. Must have been very recently. They played a set in Glasgow a couple
> of weeks ago which I, of course, missed out on. Let's hope it isn't so...
> "Distance" is brilliant. (Thanks spiral :)
> Jon Kvebaek
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 00:05:54 -0400
Since Ryko is releasing her new EP, does this mean the end of her
relationship with Sire Records? And if so, why didn't 4AD US release her new
material? (Because Warner Bros. are a bunch of...?) 4AD has become unbearably
corporate, no thanks to the Warner Bros. deal.