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Subject: Re: more of this damn swans thread
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:17:20 -0400
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Air Miami "I Hate Milk" video
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:46:40 -0400
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: 4AD 'The Site' preview!!
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 15:55:04 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: oops
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 03:54:00 -0400
From: "Peter C. Lee" (Lushmuse@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: pal-ntsc
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:27:32 -0700
From: Doraemon (zorg@ALOIS.ICON.PALO-ALTO.MED.VA.GOV)
Subject: hey ivo!
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 03:53:23 -0400
From: "Peter C. Lee" (Lushmuse@AOL.COM)
Subject: Haunted
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 02:54:26 -0600
From: "E. L. Cable" (ecable@ACS.UCALGARY.CA)
Subject: Re: Soundtracks
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 18:44:24 +1000
From: Donald Chin (donaldc@NETSPACE.NET.AU)
Subject: 'The Site'
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 10:24:53 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Soundtracks
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 04:30:32 CDT
From: Steven W Hill (shill@HARPER.CC.IL.US)
Subject: Re: Air Miami "I Hate Milk" video (and Cocteau Twins)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 03:34:52 -0700
From: shane (shane@trex.org)
Subject: The 4AD Site
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 09:43:18 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD 'The Site' preview!!
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 10:35:45 -0500
From: Michael C Lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: new Pink Orange Red/Blind Mr Jones
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 11:49:42 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: The 4AD Site
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 17:00:44 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: CT 'Garlands'
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 13:37:54 -0400
From: Neil James (Quixote4@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: The 4AD Site
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 19:35:42 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: 4AD WWW site
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 14:37:29 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: Re: The 4AD Site
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 17:33:19 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: oh my wah-wah...and a plea to thislisty OC/LA kids...
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 18:26:50 -0700
From: cricketsnowangel (kelli@netcom.com)

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:17:20 -0400
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: more of this damn swans thread


ahem....
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 ''J''O''H''N'''''''R''I''C''K''M''A''N''''''''''''''''''''''''
                                       jknee@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu
On Thu, 19 Oct 1995, eric wrote:

> and the usual creepy stuff from Jarboe.
>
> what do you mean?  i invested in her 13 Masks (or something like that) solo
> cd, and i found it to be one of the worst solo efforts i've ever heard.  is
> that a could indicator of what her solo stuff sounds like?  i keep hearing
> that "i got a gun" echoing through my head to this day. awful stuff.
> swans, on the other hand, is great.
>
I admit that calling Jarboe's music creepy, is really vague.
But I was only generalising. I've always seen Gira's songs as "dead serious",
whereas Jarboe's contributions are more "otherworldly".
I've never heard her non-Swans related releases, basically I veered away
from them due to their tacky covers, but "Sacrificial Cake" is along the
lines
of Skin. (If that helps at all...)


Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:46:40 -0400
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Air Miami "I Hate Milk" video


Yes! It is Romania. Where did you see this video?

 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 ''J''O''H''N'''''''R''I''C''K''M''A''N''''''''''''''''''''''''
                                       jknee@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu


On Fri, 20 Oct 1995 TMParade@AOL.COM wrote:

> Who are the two guys miming to "I Hate Milk" in the video? (the band Romania
> perhaps?) It's definitely NOT Air Miami, although Mark Robinson does appear
> in this rather bizarre video!
>


Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 15:55:04 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: 4AD 'The Site' preview!!


There is a preview up now of 4AD's official WWW-site! It looks rather good.
The layout and typeface are like the Mailorder catalogue. I tried the
address that was announced a few months ago:  www.4ad.com, but got connected

www.iuma.com/4AD/preview

to read that:

"after reconciling the ephemeral  aural experience and its
visually aesthetic counterpart to pynchon's dreaded sieve
of  binary reductivism,  4AD and v/23  tossed back  a few
transatlantic   highballs  and  whipped  up  this  little
internet site delight.
arriving fashionably  late to this cosmic  cocktail party,
our  presence will remain  poised on the cusp of a current
us/uk release  schedule while  our attention  will canvass
the site with pre-releases, exclusive  interviews, images,
elements and still and stop-motion photography -- a  slant
intimate and informal.
and while 4AD looks forward to passing out limited edition
and  pre-release party  favors on  a monthly  basis,  v/23
plans to invite graphic artists, photographers, short-film
makers  and the occasional naredowell  upstairs where they
can  see the  site as a  turnstyle platform  for their own
work.
at this stage,  and with the kind and steady assistance of
the good people at iuma, we offer an  appetizer.  the v/23
designed  site presents  pages  on the  artists and tracks
from  our first  publication.  paying  close  attention to
highlighted links will transform  unfulfilled expectations
into  anticiption.  additionally, visitors may register at
the site while artists may register to show their work.

4AD invites our visitors to register on the site
4AD invites you to register on THE SITE. We'll keep you apprised
of site specific events, offers and deadlines, as well as information
on the artists, the label and v/23. The first one-hundred will receive
either an Air Miami or The Amps 7".
One name and address will be pulled out of the digital hat each week
for four weeks and that person will receive a rare signed edition of
THIS RIMY RIVER Vaughan Oliver and v23 graphic works 1988 - 94 (peep)"

Frank
++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++


Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 03:54:00 -0400
From: "Peter C. Lee" (Lushmuse@AOL.COM)
Subject: oops


the last message was to ivo and not to the list...sorry!!

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:27:32 -0700
From: Doraemon (zorg@ALOIS.ICON.PALO-ALTO.MED.VA.GOV)
Subject: Re: pal-ntsc

              an Ear" at Oct 20, 95 02:08:32 pm

Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear said:
>
> The easiest thing to do would be to look in your Yellow Pages under VIDEO.
> That's what I did here in Boston and I found 3 firms that would do this
> for me, and each gave different price quotes.  The least expensive I
> found was $99 per tape.  Talk about extortion....When all one requires is
> a PAL-type VCR and an NTSC-type VCR hooked together with a coaxial cable,
> press PLAY on one and RECORD on the other...

You need to shop around some more.  I've found places that would do a
2-hour tape for $20.  Of course, it varies from city to city.  If you have
a lot of decoding to do, look into renting a multi-format VCR.  I was
able to decode over 10 hours of stuff for $80 that way.

Sorry for this non-musical interjection.
Ed
--
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Sleep Lab, x4227                      \/      La-la-la-la-la di-da
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zorg@interramp.com                    \/

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 03:53:23 -0400
From: "Peter C. Lee" (Lushmuse@AOL.COM)
Subject: hey ivo!


hey ivo!

how are you?!  how's the internship coming along?  i still haven't called
yet...kinda nervous to talk to that john guy...afraid to get rejected...who
did you talk to when you got interviewed?  i met bev chin and rich
holtzman...which in fact, rich, who you work for was the boyfriend of our
radio station's music director, hillary.  she was the one who suggested that
i call to inquire about an internship since my show was basically all
4ad/creation oriented...should i call and ask for john again or just talk to
whoever is on the phone?  i don't know...any advice??!!

thanks for the rarity info for the lilliput.  the reason i asked is bcuz i
just bought it from rockaway records on glendale blvd a few days ago for $55
brand new...well, the girl said it was brand new to her knowledge, but i'm
not really sure if it was used or not.  it's in super good condition though
and the cds seems and looks as though it has never been taken out of the
container...true most of the stuff can be found elsewhere but i don't have a
lot of the stuff in there, i.e. xmal deustchland, ultra vivid scene, the
wolfgang press, modern english, etc...

hey, how was ivo's daughter?  how is ivo?!  when i almost went to see mark
kozelek play when he was here a few months ago at lunapark, i couldn't get in
bcuz i'm under 21 but i had some zines i wanted to give him but the guy at
the door how was letting people in were checking ids and he was checking the
id of this guy who said he was from 4ad and had a british accent and i
thought that was ivo...but when i asked the id checker if he can give the
zines to mark, the brit guy said he would give it to mark...the next day at
the interview at 4ad, i found out from john, who saw my zines at the show,
that the brit guy was paul mcmenamin from v23.  cool huh?!   yeh, that would
be soo cool if we can work together...let me know ok if there are any
openings or any advice you might have for me.

talk to you soon!
pete


Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 02:54:26 -0600
From: "E. L. Cable" (ecable@ACS.UCALGARY.CA)
Subject: Haunted


A friend of mine has been hunting for a cover of a song called "Haunted"
done twice by Shane McGowan and two different females.  Anyone know of
these and what they are found on?

Thanks

Elaun


X  Elaun L. Cable        x  Rm. 127 MacEwan Hall   x "My life suits    X
X  Spoken Word Director  x  University of Calgary  x  me very well..." X
X  CJSW 90.9 fm          x  Calgary, AB            x                   X
X                        x  T2N 4N1                x                   X
X      ecable@acs.ucalgary.ca    /    cable@freenet.calgary.ab.ca      X

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 18:44:24 +1000
From: Donald Chin (donaldc@NETSPACE.NET.AU)
Subject: Re: Soundtracks


Hi

Just adding my few favourite soundtracks...

When Night Is Falling
Blade Runnder
Betty Blue
Matter of Degrees

Donald

--..........
Donald Chin ..........  
--..........         "Lost somewhere in Australia..."

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 10:24:53 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: 'The Site'


Oh god... this site looks great!

Cliff Walton mentioned it some days ago when I asked him if 4AD was
planning to create a website, but he didn't give the URL (so thanks Bruce!)

It's a bit 'heavy' with all those jpeg images but what would a 4AD site be
without them?

If they put all the back-catalogue information on this site I will probably
delete my own 'unofficial 4AD catalogue'. This gives me some space to
create something else.




 Emiel Efdee

============================
 rotterdam, the netherlands
============================
 efdee@luna.nl
============================
 http://www.luna.nl/~efdee
============================

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 04:30:32 CDT
From: Steven W Hill (shill@HARPER.CC.IL.US)
Subject: Soundtracks


I realise this thread has almost nothing to do with 4AD.
So I'll just post once. :)

The soundtracks I listen to a lot:
ALEXANDER NEVSKY                Sergei Prokofiev
ALIEN                           Jerry Goldsmith
ALIEN3                          Elliot Goldenthal
BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA           Wojciech Kilar
BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN           Franz Waxman
CRIMSON TIDE                    Hans Zimmer
DEAD AGAIN                      Patrick Doyle
FAREWELL TO THE KING            Basil Poledouris
HENRY V                         Patrick Doyle
ICEMAN                          Bruce Smeaton
KOYAANISQATSI                   Philip Glass
LITTLE PRINCESS                 Patrick Doyle
MARY SHELLEY'S FRANKENSTEIN     Patrick Doyle
MEDICINE MAN                    Jerry Goldsmith
MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING          Patrick Doyle
POWAQQATSI                      Philip Glass
PRINCE OF DARKNESS              John Carpenter
RAISE THE TITANIC               John Barry
SHINING                         Wendy Carlos
THING                           Ennio Morricone
UNDER FIRE                      Jerry Goldsmith
USUAL SUSPECTS                  John Ottman

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Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 03:34:52 -0700
From: shane (shane@trex.org)
Subject: Re: Air Miami "I Hate Milk" video (and Cocteau Twins)


I just saw the video for Air Miami's "I Hate Milk" and to me, that
does indeed look like Romania in the video.  The only person I
recognized was Mark, who takes a ski mask off and drinks wine.  The
rest of the video looks very "80s" minimal, with a lot of
breakdancers...

I also saw the video for _Rilkean Heart/Half Gifts_.  The video opens
with a short title sequence, and then _Rilkean Heart_ plays. There's
a brief interlude inbetween and then _Half-Gifts_ begins, after that,
final credtis of: "Elizabeth Fraser, Robin Guthrie, Simon Raymonde,
Directed by Dirk Van Dooren & Graham Wood, Tomato 1995."  The
video(s) themselves are overlays of what looks like super 8mm of the
band outdoors.  I haven't gotten a hold of the new single, so I don't
know if lyrics are included, but the lyrics are all over the video.
Here they are (just in case) (and I realize the lyrics don't quite
match up) (? = hard to read text):

_Rilkean Heart_
Rilkean heart I looked for you to give me transcendent experiences to
transport me out of self and aloneness and alienation into a sense of
oneness and connection, ecstatic and magical I became a junkie for it
I came looking for the next high and I'm sorry I've been putting the
search on the wrong place I understand that you're confused feeling
overwhelmed that's a feeling state from then the reality that with
cleaning up emotional (?) and I'm getting in touch I'm beginning to
ground myself in my own sense of being one entity (?) become truly
self reliant and become connected with something beyond me that is
where I have to I'm so (?) you're lost and you don't know what to do.

_Half-Gifts_
It's an old game my love, when you can't have me you want me, because
you know that you're not risking anything, [intimacy is when we're in
the same place at the same time, dealing honestly with how we feel,
that's what grown up's do, that is a mature thinking], (??) steal a
junkie for it, it takes me out of my lonliness, but this relationship
cannot sustain itself [chorus] I just have to know, how to be in the
process of creating things in a better way, it hurts but it's a lie
that I can't have it all, but I still have a world of meness to
fulfill, I still care about this planet, I am still connected (??)
and to my dreams for myself, I have my friends and family, i have
myself, I still have me.

by the way, I saw these on a local Public Acccess video show that's
been around for years on South Bay Cable Channel 6 (use to be 30)
______________________
shane | shane@trex.org
isn't on the list (accesses hypertext archives) but thought you'd
like to know.


Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 09:43:18 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: The 4AD Site


I agree, the site is fantastic....but what on EARTH is that thing on
the first page??? At first glance, it appears to be some sort of
mutilated penis or something....dear god.... Anyone have a clue?

Mike
iceblink@delphi.com


Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 10:35:45 -0500
From: Michael C Lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD 'The Site' preview!!


Just Checked it out, I like it lots. It must be still under construction,
not all of the links are working, but they will be eventually


Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 11:49:42 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: new Pink Orange Red/Blind Mr Jones


>>>the acoustic  Pink Orange Red only wanted me to listen to the first version
>>It only proves that the song doesn't work on piano
>
>I rather liked it, except that the synth-vibes are a bit fake sounding.

I actually liked the vibes, but now I know they're fake, maybe not...

>Faced with the choice I'd still pick the original, though.

POR was the song whose title I didn't know but because of which I bought
several CT albums trying to find it, thereby discovering Victorialand

[Blind Mr Jones]
>More like [early] Ride with some nice flute playing and a
>Will-Heggie-style strummed bass. Actually they _do_ have tunes and the
>instrumental ones are very nice, it's just that I dislike the singer and
>the lyrics; he sounds like a 15-year-old Ian Masters wannabe and the
>words just don't scan properly.

But words that don't scan properly can be nice sometimes (I'm thinking
specifically of Laetitia here)...

>Come to think of it, it
>was the singer/words that turned me off the Rose Chronicles too.

Ugh, tell me about it..."look at me everyone, I'm sooo ethereal...I'm a
poetess! Liz Fraser? Never heard of her, but probably not as good a singer
as me!" She's apparently quite full of herself, which kind of shows through
in her singing. And that thing she did with Delerium [sic] sounds like Enigma

Larry

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 17:00:44 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: The 4AD Site


>I agree, the site is fantastic....but what on EARTH is that thing on
>the first page??? At first glance, it appears to be some sort of
>mutilated penis or something....dear god.... Anyone have a clue?

Mutilated? My penis has always looked like that!

It's the same pic. (it looks to me like some kind of root) you can find on
the cover of the 'Joe Friday' 7", shot by Jason Love. Love is also
responsible for those weird pictures on 'No Balls', 'Think I'm Getting The
Hang Of It', 'Yeah But' and 'Facing The Wrong Way'.


Frank

++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++


Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 13:37:54 -0400
From: Neil James (Quixote4@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: CT 'Garlands'


Hello all-
when I wrote

>>>>I've always thought of the EP 'Peppermint Pig' as a single from the
'Garlands' album because "Hazel" is on both.<<<<

I meant by this that I think of 'Garlands' and 'Peppermint Pig' so
interchangably that I *think* of 'Peppermint Pig' as a single, even though I
know the 'Hazel' on 'Garlands' is from the Peel Sessions...sorry for the
confusion.

neil
--------------------------
Actually, "Hazel" was not on the "Garlands" LP, it was a Peel session
included as a bonus track with the "Garlands" CD.  Actually, the "Garlands"
bonus tracks were a major incentive when I finally decided to get a CD
player.

Martin
mahoyt@uci.edu
--------------------------


Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 19:35:42 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: The 4AD Site


...I agree, the site is fantastic....but what on EARTH is that thing on
...the first page??? At first glance, it appears to be some sort of
...mutilated penis or something....dear god.... Anyone have a clue?


v23 says: it's a CARROT... (the name of the 'thing' is carrot.jpg)



 Emiel Efdee

============================
 rotterdam, the netherlands
============================
 efdee@luna.nl
============================
 http://www.luna.nl/~efdee
============================

The Site:

The Other Site:

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 14:37:29 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: 4AD WWW site


Can someone do me a small favor? I can access this site but
my server only let's me opperate in lo-fi text version, so
no cool graphics for me.  I'd like to do the registration thing,
but there is no email address given (and my server doesn't support
forms). IF anyone can figure out the email address for sending the
registration info, please let me know.

thanks
Mike


Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 17:33:19 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: The 4AD Site


>I agree, the site is fantastic....but what on EARTH is that thing on
>the first page???




its a carrot judging by the source code for the page


Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 18:26:50 -0700
From: cricketsnowangel (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: oh my wah-wah...and a plea to thislisty OC/LA kids...


  medicine/sixteen deluxe/long fin killie...

  whoa baby. where were all the people? long fin killie opened to
  a crowd of barely anyone, and they ROKKED. blew me away. superkool.
  ultratwee. you name it, they were it. why haven't i heard these
  guys before? they're definately on my To Buy list now...them and
  sixteen deluxe, who were noisier than medicine {Well, almost.
  i'm still undecided..} and had a lot of energy and spunk and
  neato acid drenched guitarry songs. jOHN bought their cd. it's
  very kool...but why does everyone have to cover big star??????
  if i hear kangroo one more time, i'm gonna commit suicide....
  medicine where awesome, but supposedly not as great as they
  could be {or so sayeth jOHN}. jOHN and beth bonded, gripped
  hands, and had a staring contest during lime 6...she gave
  me the staredown on my personal favourite, one more...what's
  up with goodall..he scares the hell out of me....their bass
  player had the most gorgeous bass i've ever seen...brad and
  his guitar where in full effect {and his cum face isn't as
  ridiculous as people make it out to be}...the other guitar
  player reminded me of someone, complete with pouty pursed lips
  when he plays...uh...goodall still scares me, less than 24
  hours later..even had nightmares because of his freaky come hither
  pagan love maneuvers behind the drumkit...beer is too expensive,
  so i was broke and couldn't buy anything after the show...next
  up is the swirlies on the 27th..someone go and buy me drinks and i'll
  be your new best friend..or come meet jOHN..he needs to meet nice
  wholesome thislisty kids...there's no one kool to hang with out
  here {apart from me and my stunning purrsonality *bat eyelashes*}...
  i wanna be in a band..i can sing, j plays a jAZZMASTER and has
  some neato pedals..we have nothign to record on and we're bored...
  i start work this week...other than that, i have NOTHING TO DO..
  so please, be our friends....

  meow, *k*


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