Subject: Re: COCTEAU ART WORK/Garlands
Subject: Re: Heavenly Bodies
Subject: Air Miami "I Hate Milk" video
Subject: soundtracks
Subject: pal-ntsc
Subject: Pink Orange Red/bad fake 4AD bands
Subject: Re: CT 'Garlands'
Subject: Re: Pink Orange Red/bad fake 4AD bands
Subject: Re: soundtracks
Subject: Re: pal-ntsc
Subject: how rare is lilliput?
Subject: Re: Air Miami "I Hate Milk" video
Subject: Re: pal-ntsc
Subject: soundtracks
Subject: Re: I've Got No Balls and I'm Facing The Wrong Way
Subject: Re: pal-ntsc
Subject: the sweet sounds of top-notch terror (was re: soundtracks)
Subject: Re: Soundtracks
Subject: Re: Soundtracks
Subject: the unofficial 4AD catalogue
Subject: Re: the sweet sounds of top-notch terror (was re: soundtracks)
Subject: These Friggin Auctions / 4AD Artwork
Subject: Re: Unrest producer
Subject: Unrest ? and more swans
Subject: Re: FROM IG88 TO THE ECSTACY & WINE CD AUCTIONEER
Subject: soundtracks again
Subject: Re: Saint Etienne fan club CD
Subject: 4ad OFFICIAL WWW site!!
Subject: 4ad OFFICIAL WWW site pt. 2
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:36:04 PST
neil wrote:
>I've always thought of the EP 'Peppermint Pig' as a single from the
>'Garlands' album because "Hazel" is on both.
Actually, "Hazel" was not on the "Garlands" LP, it was a Peel session
included as a bonus track with the "Garlands" CD. Actually, the "Garlands"
bonus tracks were a major incentive when I finally decided to get a CD
player.
Martin
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 23:19:23 -0500
Jens said:
>Hugh O'Brian asks:
>> question: anybody know anything about Heavenly Bodies?
>> robin guthrie produced and I think played on a 12" I have
>> from them on Cest la Mort called "rains on me". thanks.
>
>I owned the album briefly. Avoid. Bad imitation 4AD stuff, down to the
>artwork (hint to thislisty art directors: avoid ITC Garamond like the
>plague. In fact avoid any ITC typeface from before, oh, 1988.) Some of
>the music was alright and kept me amused for a week or two, but
>ultimately the fact that they were blatantly aping their betters (DCD,
>TMC, Cocteau Twins to name a few) began to turn my stomach. The same
>could be said for the Rose Chronicles and, to a lesser extent, Blind Mr.
>Jones...
>
>--Jens feels cranky (kranky?) today.
^^^^^^
Only a couple weeks until Jessamine (great band on kranky) play Portland!
I'll be the one walking out of the show before the Dandy Warhols (GACK!)
get anywhere near the stage (don't you hate it when an excellent band has
to open for a bunch of twits?).
Anyways-- I'd have to say that Jens is being a bit hard on Heavenly
Bodies. I have to admit that it's not an album I pull off the shelf too
often, but to say that they're "aping" their betters is a bit harsh and
unjustified. First of all, James Pinker recorded with Dead Can
Dance on Spleen and Ideal and Caroline Seaman recorded with This
Mortal Coil on Blood, so it's not like some of the similarities wouldn't
be expected. Still, Heavenly Bodies definitely had an approach that was
uniquely them. James Pinker is a very talented musician and he seems to
turn up in some of the strangest places. He did quite a bit of stuff on
the last Michael Brook record and also recorded recently with some other
band that I can't recall. I personally wish they would have steered more
clear of the saxophone on that record, though...
As for ITC Garamond: at least it's not as hideous as Korinna, the one
the Cocteau Twins used on Four Calendar Cafe! Yikes!
Worst CD purchase of the year: Tarnation (and I actually like
traditional country!) I cannot listen to her voice without wanting to
toss my CD player out the window. My advice to curious people is to save
your money and go buy Emmylou Harris' Elite Hotel CD (or her newest one
with Daniel Lanois, Wrecking Ball--excellent stuff!). This Mortal Coil
covered Harris' song Till I Gain Control Again.
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:41:49 -0400
Who are the two guys miming to "I Hate Milk" in the video? (the band Romania
perhaps?) It's definitely NOT Air Miami, although Mark Robinson does appear
in this rather bizarre video!
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:02:18 +0200
in no particular order
1. The Omen
2. Hellraiser 2
3. Night of The Living Dead (original)
4. 2001
5. Aliens
s 2 5
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:59:43 -0400
???where can I get tapes converted from pal to ntsc format
(video) in Virginia/DC/MD??? any help is appreciated- also does
anyone know how much it costs per tape?
thanks in advance..
ted
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"You don't have to call it music, if the term disturbs you." JC
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 07:04:16 -0400
>the acoustic Pink Orange Red only wanted me to listen to the first version
It only proves that the song doesn't work on piano - I was kind of hoping
they would use acoustic guitar for that instead. I listened to the original
again, and apart from the guitar sound being a little dated, it was much
better. In fact, the whole Tiny Dynamine/Echoes... thing sounded better than
I remembered it (and yes, I know that's not a very popular thing to say)
>the fact that they were blatantly aping their betters (DCD,
>TMC, Cocteau Twins to name a few) began to turn my stomach. The same
>could be said for the Rose Chronicles and, to a lesser extent, Blind Mr.
>Jones...
I know the Rose Chronicles are craaaap!, but how bad are Blind Mr Jones? I
heard they were like Slowdive without tunes
>--Jens feels cranky (kranky?) today.
^^^^^^
You need to put on some Dissolve or Labradford then...
Larry
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:41:32 -0700
Neil James writes:
>My CD (UK version) has SIX songs that the US version is missing:
>...
> 5) Speak No Evil
> 6) Perhaps Some Other Aeon
Yup. Those two were demos from before the recording of "Garlands" (I
think it says this in the CD booklet...) In my opinion they're for
completists only, not nearly as good as the album or the Peel Session tracks.
The release date for "Otherness" is next Tuesday, right? (Everything
seems to be released on a Tuesday in the US...)
--Jens (revisiting the Swans' "In My Garden" after many years)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:44:01 -0700
>>the acoustic Pink Orange Red only wanted me to listen to the first version
>It only proves that the song doesn't work on piano
I rather liked it, except that the synth-vibes are a bit fake sounding.
Faced with the choice I'd still pick the original, though.
>I know the Rose Chronicles are craaaap!, but how bad are Blind Mr Jones? I
>heard they were like Slowdive without tunes
More like [early] Ride with some nice flute playing and a
Will-Heggie-style strummed bass. Actually they _do_ have tunes and the
instrumental ones are very nice, it's just that I dislike the singer and
the lyrics; he sounds like a 15-year-old Ian Masters wannabe and the
words just don't scan properly. [Disclaimer: I speak only of "Stereo
Musicale", their only album I own or have heard.] Come to think of it, it
was the singer/words that turned me off the Rose Chronicles too.
Looking back, I think I was too harsh on BMJ yesterday. They really do
have some nice songs, "Sisters" in particular -- it has a nice flute solo
winding all through it, and alternates mellow parts with furious
white-noise fuzzfests in true Ride style.
--Jens
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:14:46 -0700
> 5. Aliens
Has anyone else noticed that James Horner reuses the same music for all
his movies, including "Aliens", "Patriot Games", & "Clear & Present
Danger"? All three of those movies use the same "quiet violins" part, for
instance at the beginning of Aliens when the _Narcissus_ is floating
through space. I've seen that movie SO many times.
Sorry for the tangent...
= "Wake up, see \ If there's no God, why + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists? + dread the due changes =
= done is done..." \ -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..." =
= -Ride: "Today" / Ontological Proof + -Red House Painters =
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 14:08:32 -0400
The easiest thing to do would be to look in your Yellow Pages under VIDEO.
That's what I did here in Boston and I found 3 firms that would do this
for me, and each gave different price quotes. The least expensive I
found was $99 per tape. Talk about extortion....When all one requires is
a PAL-type VCR and an NTSC-type VCR hooked together with a coaxial cable,
press PLAY on one and RECORD on the other...
Mike
[email protected]
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 00:56:15 -0700
hey everyone!
just wanted to know how rare the 4ad promo book/2cd thing, lilliput is...
laters!
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:56:15 -0500
where did you see this video? certainly not on MTV, I imagine...
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:13:40 -0500
> ???where can I get tapes converted from pal to ntsc format
> (video) in Virginia/DC/MD??? any help is appreciated- also does
> anyone know how much it costs per tape?
Yeah, about $15 or so bucks per hour. Just about anybody can do this...check
with any local import co. or home video specialist. Make sure it's digital xfer
(most are these days...); they even sell decks with the 2 formats for like $400
or so.
I get them tranfered locally in Houston at a place called "east-west imports"
and they always tranlate fine.
marvynHortman
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:15:25 -0700
hey!
here are a few soundtracks i thought were pretty good...
1.twin peaks
2.twin peaks: fire walk with me
3.the piano
4.pulp fiction
5.blue velvet
6.the indiana jones trilogy (basically, most john williams stuff)
7.dances with wolves
8.natural born killers
9.pretty in pink
10.so i married an axe murderer
11.married to the mob
12.kids
laters!
p.s. the l.a. weekly showed an ad for the forthcoming gregg araki film,
"the doom generation" with a listing of some of the bands on the soundtrack
featuring slowdive, the jesus and mary chain, and the cocteau twins, and
more...i know someone posted the track listing but i erased it...could
someone post the track listing for this again please?
thanks!
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:01:37 -0500
"[email protected]" at Oct 17, 95 09:10:24 pm
I will offer $15 for the facing the wrong way disc, and I am not sure
what is fair for the v23 book. what's in it?? 4ad art or other
stuff?
steve
[email protected]
[email protected]
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 14:54:32 -0500
>The easiest thing to do would be to look in your Yellow Pages under VIDEO.
>That's what I did here in Boston and I found 3 firms that would do this
>for me, and each gave different price quotes. The least expensive I
>found was $99 per tape.
I recently converted a couple of 3 hr PAL tapes (full of 4AD promo rarities
and European Dead Can Dance video-filmed concerts) to NTSC for about $70
here in Austin.
I suggest to the original poster to keep shopping around. I found a couple
of slightly cheaper places but I knew the place I selected would do a
quality job.
j@hn
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no snappy quote today....
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 14:19:26 -0400
I can't believe they haven't been mentioned yet. . . but some of the most
amazing (and thislisty) scores can be found in the amazing Italian art/horror
films of Dario Argento and Michele Soavi.
"Suspiria" is a true shiverfest - both aurally and visually. Goblin, Dario's
"house band", mix together pounding bass lines, liquid keyboards,
angelic/demonic vocals - the warped tinklings of a satanic musicbox.... Truly
music and film to (hahaha!) die for.
Some of DA's others are:
jazzy (Ennio Morricone's too-tense-for-words "The Bird With the Crystal
Plumage" score)
creepy ("Profondo Rosso"["Deep Red"] - with that stuttered repetitive
keyboard riff which can turn you into a nail-biting paranoiac!)
bombastic cliche-ridden pseudo-classical feel as "The Omen" and Orff's
"Carmina Burana" (more than a little reminiscent of this latter one...). Ah,
but I still love it. :-b
Dario can descend into heavy-metal banality (check out... or don't...
"Phenomena"), but there are always exquisite passages of 'normal' music -
usually courtesy of Claudio Simonetti and/or Simon Boswell. And for every
"Opera" (too..uh... opera-laden, alternating with z-grade metal!) there's a
"Tenebrae", with another batch of unforgettable riffs to keep you awake at
night.
The music for Michele Soavi's "The Church" (a visually spectacular film,
btw!) is based on Philip Glass themes - more of that flowing, rapturous,
fluid sound that can turn you to jello with just a few notes. I'm not sure if
PG actually wrote the music, though he's sort-of credited... but it's
beautiful either way. Glass' main theme for "Candyman" is brilliant, too.
There are some beautiful things going on in MS's "The Sect"["The Devil's
Daughter"] as well.
Some other gorgeous soundtracks:
"Paperhouse"
"The Thing"(82) and "Prince of Darkness" (god bless minimalism!)
"Twin Peaks"
"Hardware" and "Dust Devil"
"The Nightmare Before Christmas" (fun in a goofy, over-the-top way)
"The Reflecting Skin" (probably the greatest unheard-of movie ever,
im(ns)ho...)
"Nightbreed" and the three "Hellraisers" (esp #2)
"El Topo" (especially if you dig that Scenic/Morricone thing!)
"Scorpio Rising" (kenneth anger's)-(how can you RESIST this pop-music
spectacular?!
"Naked Lunch" (free jazz is cool, huh huh...) - and most of Cronenberg's
films...
"The Fury" (prime Howard Shore... anyone ever seen it on cd?)
"My Bloody Valentine" - okay, not really. But it must have influenced
someone. . .
"The Company of Wolves" - more faerietale goosepimples...
and on a thislisty note, Dead Can Dance have a track on the soundtrack of
"Demons 2: The Nightmare Returns"! Man, Lisa and Brendan don't make much of
THAT facet of their resume, do they?
Cool film though. :)
Gil
who thinks that Dario Argento should be on the $50 bill...
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 23:26:21 EST
Until the End of the World
Bladerunner
Twin Peaks
The Wall
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John Robicheau
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 00:06:44 -0400
In no particular order:
Baraka
Betty Blue
Tous Les Matins du Monde
Paris, Texas
The Last Temptation of Christ
Birdie
Red
P.S. Thanks for wrapping up the dispute over what is an LP and what isn't! That
was embarassing!
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11 Grovenor Road #3 Tel: 617.524.7001
Boston, MA 02130 E-mail:[email protected]
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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 18:54:29 +0200
>Will someone be a sweety and give us the address for the unofficial 4AD
>catalog web-site.
>
Thanks for asking.
the unofficial 4AD catalogue: http://www.luna.nl/~efdee/Catalogue/4AD.html
by the way... 4AD is testing their own - official - World Wide Web site...
and it will be 'up and running' in the near future!
Emiel Efdee
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rotterdam, the netherlands
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[email protected]
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http://www.luna.nl/~efdee
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 17:04:45 -0500
>"The Reflecting Skin" (probably the greatest unheard-of movie ever,
>im(ns)ho...)
I love that movie! It's only "horror" in the most liberal definition....
but i don't remember the soundtrack.
unheard of? Does that mean, i don't count?
-cz
about children but not *for* children.
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 01:55:12 PDT
Firstly, I don't have a problem with people posting offers to the list - I'm
often interested in the stuff being offered. I do have a problem with people
answering or making bids to the list. Most of the auctioneers (netiquette says
do so) have their private e-mail addresses included. Use them!
Secondly, this friendly reminder is not intended to start a flame war. I'm just
getting a bit sick and tired of reading about latest bids and offers and .......
Back to the real issues - Artwork? e23 have usually opted for stunning close-up
photography or scenery. The revelation that P Pig is Liz surprised me ( I have n
ver
thought about it). I was trying to think about other LP's etc. that have band me
bers
in the artwork or photography (Not inner sleeve - I'm at work and the collection
is at home OK?). I
remember The Burden of Mules and Queer had the band on it somewhere (even if it
as on the
back). It's bugging me - I'm sitting here trying to think of the obvious covers
and they
escape me. Doesn't some or other contributor appear on the Mortal Coil LP's? An
little pictures of Lush persons on various ep's (definitely Mad Love).
And I'm supposed to be working....
Chris
[email protected]
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:04:45 -0700
Perfect Teeth was actually produced by Brian Paulson, who also produced
stuff like Arcwelder's records, and used to be in Man Sized Action a
long time ago (MSA put out a couple records on Husker Du's Reflex label).
I read that Paulson was the producer in an Unrest interview, I think.
There might have been some anecdote about Le Bon recording at the
same studio at the same time and ducking his head in -- where was
Perfect Teeth recorded, Paisley Park?
Larry-bob
[email protected]
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 01:50:39 -0400
So, was "Perfect Teeth" produced by THE Simon Le Bon? Joke?
Anyway, pulled out all of my old Swans records when Great Annihilator came
out last winter (thus the sig), and it's been a Gira/Jarboe year for me. I
work in a warehouse with housewives, and two or three times a week I play a
tape with GA on one side, and Perfect Teeth on the other (they like
Unrest(?)). I'm maybe gonna work them up to Love of Life as a break from the
top 40 radio station they all enjoy. Didn't mean to start a thread...but
good to know I'm not alone out there.
Keith
"I saw you kneeling on a desert plateau/Your eyes were melting from inside
your skull." - M. Gira
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:25:00 -0400
<[email protected]>
please find "ecstacy and wine"!!!!
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 01:45:42 -0400
Glad someone else likes the Star Wars stuff!
I picked up the box set of the remastered ones
in the "Star Wars Anthology" a year or so ago.
The first flick rocked my world as a 4th grader.
Also, Ryuichi Sakamoto creates
great motifs, even if they repeat a bit
too much. Check these out sometime:
"The Last Emperor" (this won the Oscar
for best score of that year ('89?)
and
"The Sheltering Sky" (which also
has some nice world music and thrown in
addition to Sakamoto's classical stuff).
Also, the incidental music (no! not
the pop song stuff!) of
"Less Than Zero" is quite murky
yet moody and ambient (I'm still wondering
if it's ever been released....)
Lateroo,
-B
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Brendon Macaraeg
http://www.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~brendonm
"Are you allgeric to the 20th Century?"
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Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 00:16:00 +1000
Hi
>Also, there is rumored to be a fan club CD that has everything that was
>left off of You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone. For the umpteenth
>time, does anyone know how to join or contact their fan club?
There was indeed a fan club CD. I joined their club and got one! It is
called I Love To Paint (HVNLP9CD). Only 900 or so copies were made and only
available to fan club members. It was released before Christmas last year.
The tracks are:
Flight To Tashkent
Sushi Rider
Deutscher Kendals
Think Twice
Studio Kinda Filthy
We're Coming In Loaded
Fife Coast
Fake 88
Parliament Hill
Everything I Touch Turns To Gold
Schroeder
Stranger In Paradise
It comprises mostly out takes, unreleased material and samples that never
made it to their released CD's. I think it is better than Tiger Bay -
especially the US version.
Their fan club is called Lovers Unite. The cost of joining is a GBP8 pounds
sterling. The address is....
Lovers Unite
Heavenly
72 Wardour Street
London W1V 3HP
United Kingdom.
Hope this helps and good luck finding it.
Cheers
Donald
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Donald Chin ..........