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Subject: soundtracks
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:01:47 -0400
From: Hement Gopal ([email protected])
Subject: COCTEAU ART WORK
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:47:14 BST
From: Simon Hughes ([email protected])
Subject: Movie Soundtracks
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 01:15:00 PDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Air Miami, Tarnation & Mojave
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:02:05 +0100
From: Andrew Norman ([email protected])
Subject: Re: I've Got No Balls and I'm Facing The Wrong Way
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:30:35 -0500
From: "John B. Jones" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: the amps/new kristin hersh e.p.
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:14:00 EST
From: "Ellens, Harm" ([email protected])
Subject: Golden Palaminos Connection...
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 01:41:07 -0400
From: Alex Wolfson ([email protected])
Subject: Re: the amps/new kristin hersh e.p.
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 04:23:18 PDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: New cocteaus Finally!
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 04:15:14 GMT
From: Ian McCausland ([email protected])
Subject: Lisa Gerrard tour ad
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:45:46 -0700
From: "Michael S. Fischer" ([email protected])
Subject: Tindersticks
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 06:25:28 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: air miami and muses
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:05:18 -0500
From: Steven Szaks ([email protected])
Subject: Soundtracks
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:06:31 EDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: air miami and muses
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:33:48 -0500
From: Terry Collins ([email protected])
Subject: Re: air miami and muses
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:19:47 -0400
From: "Maura A. Smale" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Soundtracks
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:38:40 -0400
From: Alex Wolfson ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Golden Palaminos Connection...
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:18:08 -0400
From: "James P. Crimm" ([email protected])
Subject: Pink Liz
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:02:43 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops ([email protected])
Subject: i'm a closet swans fan, too
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:59:28 -0600
From: eric ([email protected])
Subject: Sale response netiquette [PLEASE READ]
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:20:43 -0700
From: Jens Alfke ([email protected])
Subject: Scenic Pete
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:46:09 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops ([email protected])
Subject: 50 lashes with a wet noodle.
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:33:29 -0500
From: "John B. Jones" ([email protected])
Subject: Pat Crimm: Re: Lori Carson
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:49:14 -0400
From: Jay Senese ([email protected])
Subject: Re: i'm a closet swans fan, too
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:12:56 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: the amps/new kristin hersh e.p.
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 12:50:40 -0400
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Soundtracks
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:08:02 -0500
From: "Michael C. Lawyer" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Soundtracks
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:41:31 EDT
From: redacted (unknown@unknown)
Subject: Re: Soundtracks
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:25:09 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: the amps/new kristin hersh e.p.
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:06:03 -0700
From: kenneth ([email protected])
Subject: Re: mo wax/anoiseannoys/tindersticks
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:33:29 +0100
From: "Hugh O'Brien" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Soundtracks
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:00:14 -0400
From: "James P. Crimm" ([email protected])
Subject: <>
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:26:03 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: Last two Elysium shows
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 12:49:24 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops ([email protected])
Subject: more of this damn swans thread
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:49:09 -0500
From: eric ([email protected])
Subject: Lisa Gerrard Live in LA
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:20:52 -0400
From: Jay Senese ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Pat Crimm: Re: Lori Carson
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:55:59 -0400
From: "James P. Crimm" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: mo wax/anoiseannoys/tindersticks
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:00:44 -0700
From: Jens Alfke ([email protected])
Subject: top 10 movie stuff (weird topic)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:55:24 -0700
From: Matthew Polder ([email protected])
Subject: Re: mo wax/anoiseannoys/tindersticks
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 23:59:27 +0100
From: Guy Vandekerckhove ([email protected])
Subject: Soundtracks
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 20:38:53 -0400
From: TIM CONLON ([email protected])
Subject: CT 'Garlands'
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 20:51:36 -0400
From: Neil James ([email protected])
Subject: FROM IG88 TO THE ECSTACY & WINE CD AUCTIONEER
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:00:37 EDT
From: redacted (unknown@unknown)
Subject: Re: mo wax/anoiseannoys/tindersticks
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 21:30:42 -0600
From: Michael C Lawyer ([email protected])
Subject: Re: I've Got No Balls and I'm Facing The Wrong Way
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:09:11 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Saint Etienne
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:03:40 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" ([email protected])

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:01:47 -0400
From: Hement Gopal ([email protected])
Subject: soundtracks


my top ten

1. bladerunner (vangelis bootleg)*
2. bladerunner (vangelis bootleg)*
3. bladerunner (vangelis)
4. bladerunner (vagellis bootleg)*
5. bladeruuner (vangelis)
6. bladerunner (vangelis bootleg)*
7. bladerunner (vangelis)
8. bladerunner (vangelis bootleg)*
9. bladerunner (vangelis bootleg)*
10. bladerunner (vangelis bootleg)*


my least favorite is the ochestral version that was first
released...utter shite if ever  i've heard any!!

piss and vinegar dept
hems

* = a big fat thanx to Mr. Hortman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:47:14 BST
From: Simon Hughes ([email protected])
Subject: COCTEAU ART WORK

              <[email protected]>

neil wrote:

>>>          Something just hit me...who is the person responsible for
>>>doing all the incredible weird, spooky photographs and artwork for CT
>>>albums...especially head over heels and ummm... the PEPERMINT PIG CD
>>>SINGLE!
>>
>>For some
>>reason, it always put me in mind of Scandinavia and sex.  However, I'm
>>pretty sure this says more about me that the photo.  As for it being Liz in
>>the photo, I doubt it.
>
>I'm pretty sure the photo is Liz from the back.

Well, this seems to be the consensus.  I always guessed it was just a photo
that Vaughan, or someone, found in a mag., or something.

>I've always thought of the EP 'Peppermint Pig' as a
>single from the 'Garlands' album because "Hazel" is on both.

Yeah, but with different versions.  And the Garlands "Hazel" (from a Peel
session) isn't on the original UK release.

>And I'm like
>you Simon; I always think of Scandinavia when I see this photo.

Yes, but do you think of sex?  Or is that just my peculiar problem?

Simon Hughes


Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 01:15:00 PDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Movie Soundtracks


In no particular order:

 - The Mission (Morricone)
 -  Bladerunner (Vangelis)
 - Natural Born Killers (Var)
 - Pulp Fiction (Var)
 - To Live and Die in LA

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:02:05 +0100
From: Andrew Norman ([email protected])
Subject: Air Miami, Tarnation & Mojave


Shortest first - Air Miami's "Fuck You, Tiger" (or "F**k You, Tiger" as
the ad in today's swearword-free NME has it) is interesting but not
immediately gripping - "I Hate Milk" has the stupidest chorus ever
("please kill me soon"???), there is an oddball noise track ("Afternoon
Train"), the other two songs are pleasant enough - as with Unrest, I
quite like it but I probably won't buy the album.

Mojave 3 - "Ask Me Tomorrow".  A bit of a throw-back - the experimental
tinkering about of "Pygmalion" or parts of "Souvlaki" has gone, this is
stripped-down guitar, piano and drums.  Neil does a pretty good job of
singing in tune, Rachel's voice is as wonderful as ever, the songs are
fine, but it is a leap sideways rather than forward.  I'll listen to it
a lot, but it hasn't surprised me in the way "Pygmalion" did.

Tarnation - "Gentle Creatures".  Great stuff, almost.  Straight country
music with a ragged edge, generally stays on the right side of the
tracks, though there are occasional lapses into near-parody.  The album
suffers from CD bloat, though - three or four songs should have been
dropped, which would have made it a better album and a more reasonable
length.  I have seen a couple of people saying that the Mojave album is
"short" - in fact, 40 minutes is more or less the ideal length for an
album.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // [email protected] // 18/10/95
On my walkman this morning : Mojave 3 - Ask Me Tomorrow
Listen! you hear the grating roar

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:30:35 -0500
From: "John B. Jones" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: I've Got No Balls and I'm Facing The Wrong Way


>Here's some stuff for  bid or trade... I will be extreeeeeeemely fare ('cuz I
>might want someone to be that way towards me someday and I might want
>somethin' from you).
>
>Get your bids in before October 23.

>Next...
>
>"Facing The Wrong Way"
>
>FTWW I (1995)

I would like to bid $25 for this.


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John B. Jones                           e-mail: [email protected]


"You know Bootleg Sal used to live crosstown,
 The law went there and they closed him down,
 Now you can't get that stuff no more."  -Tampa Red & Georgia Tom, 1932
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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:14:00 EST
From: "Ellens, Harm" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: the amps/new kristin hersh e.p.


>
>Keith
>"I saw you kneeling on a desert plateau/Your eyes were melting from inside
>your skull." - M. Gira
>
So we do have closet-S.W.A.N.S. admirers on this list!

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 01:41:07 -0400
From: Alex Wolfson ([email protected])
Subject: Golden Palaminos Connection...


Was just listening to the GPs Drunk With Passion (had bought it ages ago,
but never really listened to it) and I'm saying to myself, "hey that
sounds like michael stipe."  Lo and behold, it was.  Also Bob Mould is
also on a track.

The biggest kicker is that the cover design is by our very favorite
v23/vaughn oliver.

through this year!   At least.

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 04:23:18 PDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: the amps/new kristin hersh e.p.


>So we do have closet-S.W.A.N.S. admirers on this list!

Who says closet?
Try avid SWANS, Jarboe, Beautiful People, Skin fans...

Although (shame on me) I havn't heard the new SWANS LP. Has anyone?




Chris, coming out of the closet once again

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 04:15:14 GMT
From: Ian McCausland ([email protected])
Subject: New cocteaus Finally!


out here in the Middle of canada I finally get the EP..... so I see this as a
hold over to the next album.. but a crossroads of sorts . either they doo
another  Harold Budd like-team up with someone like Yanni. or the next
Victorialand  is coming.. either I will buy it cuz I love her voice........

the acoustic  Pink Orange Red only wanted me to listen to the first version

Ian in winnipeg....

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:45:46 -0700
From: "Michael S. Fischer" ([email protected])
Subject: Lisa Gerrard tour ad


Go out and buy a copy of today's (18 October) New York Times!

On page B7, there's a massive, beautiful full-page ad for Lisa Gerrard's USA
tour.  I think I want to tear it out and frame it. :)

On the top half, there's a picture of the CD and the text logo that
appears on the cover.

On the bottom half, the following text: "Lisa Gerrard of Dead Can Dance
and her band featuring members of Dead Can Dance, will be performing in
the following cities:

APPEARING LIVE October 19 - 25  1995

19 DENVER Boulder Theatre
22 SEATTLE Meaney Theatre
24 SAN FRANCISCO Palace of Fine Arts
25 LOS ANGELES Wiltern Theatre

Lisa Gerrard's debut solo album The Mirror Pool is available now cat. 45918

4AD"

Below that, there's a really nice Dead Can Dance catalogue, with
catalogue numbers and all.

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 06:25:28 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Tindersticks


Lately I've taken in high doses of the second lp by the Tindersticks, titled
in original fashion _Tindersticks_, which is the name their debut as well.

The sticker on the front of the packaging said something along the lines of
"NME screams- Total Fucking godhead", and I would have to agree.
There is a casual looseness to the band itself-the piano playing a half step
behind in spots, the occassional brass section playing an entirely different
song (or so it seems), and the vocalist!  If you would barely purse your
lips...o.k. now do your best Nick Cave/Leonard Cohen impression--yea that's
good, there you'd have an idea of his delivery (and HE will remain nameless,
b/c nowhere on either release I have is there a group rundown w/names).  All
of this clamour within the songs has an undeniable charm however.  The
lazyness that permeates is tied together by appropriate string accompaniment
as well as the other members (drummer, bassist, rhythm guitar) who seemed
somewhat awake during the recording of these songs.  I am in awe of what they
have done both musically and lyrically though.  There are stories of homeless
abandonment, hapless relationships, and a tall tale of one's sister, who went
blind @ 5, burnt the house down @ 10 (killing two), drank too much @ 12, fell
in love with the gym teacher @ 15, halfway paralyzed @ 20, and died fat @ 32.
 You don't want to laugh, but with luck like this, it makes all our days a
bit brighter.  The tindersticks do not skimp on variety either.  Each piece
is a complement to the other, going from, for example, a song with chaotic
horns dominating to the next with only a soft xylophone and light percussion.

This is one of my finds for the year, and would not hesitate to recommend
this to anyone that finds melancholy pop pleasing to the palate.
I have heard that there is a newly released live album--so, if one could give
me any information on said album, or for that matter a discog., member names,
or general recommendations along the tinderstick vein, I would appreciate the
post.

Jason

[email protected]

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:05:18 -0500
From: Steven Szaks ([email protected])
Subject: air miami and muses


I saw this GREAT show at the metro (chicago) last friday and I want
to know if air miami is giving away free 7" at all of thier shows??
the single has remixes of I hat milk, and afternoon train, and the
cat. # is listed as a 4ad promo...

steve
[email protected]
[email protected]


Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:06:31 EDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Soundtracks

              

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:33:48 -0500
From: Terry Collins ([email protected])
Subject: Re: air miami and muses

              Oct 18, 95 12:05:18 pm

>
> I saw this GREAT show at the metro (chicago) last friday and I want
> to know if air miami is giving away free 7" at all of thier shows??
> the single has remixes of I hat milk, and afternoon train, and the
> cat. # is listed as a 4ad promo...
>
They gave 'em away at the Minneapolis show last Thursday as well.

  --iSpy--


Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:19:47 -0400
From: "Maura A. Smale" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: air miami and muses


On Thu, 19 Oct 1995, Terry Collins wrote:

> > I saw this GREAT show at the metro (chicago) last friday and I want
> > to know if air miami is giving away free 7" at all of thier shows??
> > the single has remixes of I hat milk, and afternoon train, and the
> > cat. # is listed as a 4ad promo...
> >
> They gave 'em away at the Minneapolis show last Thursday as well.

...and the show at maxwell's in hoboken last month...

maura

we now have a new rule on the bus: passengers will refrain
from killing my soul! --stu the bus driver
        [email protected]


Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:38:40 -0400
From: Alex Wolfson ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Soundtracks


The best by far is the soundtrack to DIVA.  How can you surpass "zen and
the art of bread and butter"?


The Moderns - Mark Isham
Mishima - Phillip Glass
The Cook..., Drowning by Numbers, The Draughtsman's Contract - Michael Nyman

alex

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:18:08 -0400
From: "James P. Crimm" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Golden Palaminos Connection...


<<<<

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:02:43 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops ([email protected])
Subject: Pink Liz


Can anybody answer this? I have no idea myself.

> I was just wondering if you knew: On the last dewdrops, you mentioned that
> "Liz has recorded a Pink Floyd song with the London Philharmonic Orchestra."
> There is a new album out called "The Symphonic Pink Floyd - Us and Them."
> I was wondering if the Pink Floyd song Liz recorded is on this album.

brant

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:59:28 -0600
From: eric ([email protected])
Subject: i'm a closet swans fan, too


>>
>>Keith
>>"I saw you kneeling on a desert plateau/Your eyes were melting from inside
>>your skull." - M. Gira
>>
>So we do have closet-S.W.A.N.S. admirers on this list!

yes yes!  i bought white light from the mouth of infinity way before i
listened to anything marginally this listy.  it's one of the few cds from
high school i still listen to.  pulled out the white album disc one today,
still good.

eric

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:20:43 -0700
From: Jens Alfke ([email protected])
Subject: Sale response netiquette [PLEASE READ]


Mike, John, and everyone else:

PLEASE make sure you mail auction/sale responses directly to the person
running the sale, NOT to the entire mailing list. Both of you just sent
out about 300 junk mail messages to people who are not interested in
them. This kind of thing periodically starts big flame wars and causes
people to debate making sales/auctions on the list illegal.

The list is set up to make replies go back to the list by default. You'll
need to tell your mail program to send mail back to the sender, not to
the list. How to do this depends on your mail program. Check with the
manual or your sysadmin if you need help.

Thanks,

--Jens


Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:46:09 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops ([email protected])
Subject: Scenic Pete


> we now have a new rule on the bus: passengers will refrain
> from killing my soul! --stu the bus driver

Not only do we have closet SWANS fans on this list but also it seems
we have closet Pete&Pete fans! I myself recently paid homage to
Hoover Dam on the way from Vegas to Phoenix. Also, how many of you
went to beat up the ocean on the last day of summer? I know I did...

In more relevant areas, there is a wonderful show on Friday
at Spaceland (1717 N. Silverlake, Los Angeles).
As read off the IPR postcard, we have:

+ the East Mojave desert soundscapes of Scenic
+ the world premiere of a new visual environment by Deception Bay
+ trance works and deep listenings from A Produce

"doors open at 9pm / $7 cover / 21 and over / our apologies if this
excludes you"

Speaking of Scenic, they have an amazing new song named
"All Fish Go To Heaven" in honor of the pop festival last weekend.
It's by far the most "pop" thing Scenic has done, and it sounds
very much like an Ian Masters penned Pale Saints song, the way
the melody and timing changes go. It's lovely. They might do it
on Friday, but most of it's going to be their 'East Mojave Desert'
soundtrack music which is wonderful in a completely different direction.
Come to hear great music / meet Bruce Licher / meet Brandon Capps,
or all three.

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| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:33:29 -0500
From: "John B. Jones" ([email protected])
Subject: 50 lashes with a wet noodle.


I would like to apologize to my fellow list members.

I was careless the other day and accidentally posted an auction bid to the
list instead of to the individual.

Jens, thanks for the netiquette note.

Now, back to our program!


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John B. Jones                           e-mail: [email protected]


"You know Bootleg Sal used to live crosstown,
 The law went there and they closed him down,
 Now you can't get that stuff no more."  -Tampa Red & Georgia Tom, 1932
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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:49:14 -0400
From: Jay Senese ([email protected])
Subject: Pat Crimm: Re: Lori Carson


... to the best of my knowledge, Lori has two solo CDs.  The most recent is
readily available, and the earlier one, though out of print, I see all of the
time in used [email protected]   (Sorry, gang:  I wasn't sure how to
e-mail Pat directly)

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:12:56 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: i'm a closet swans fan, too


hey i am a swans fan also. actually i got to drive jarboe back to her hotel
when they played in dc a few months ago. as well as watch gira warm up.  i
have everything from the buring world on. anyone who wants to chat about the
swans email me at you leisure

todd sanders

your dcd scribe

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 12:50:40 -0400
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: the amps/new kristin hersh e.p.


Hello Chris -
If you're referring to "The Great Anhillator"(sp?), yes I've heard it.
I wouldn't not reccommend it, but it's not essential to your Swans
collection. I would however, reccommend their newsest release on Alternative
"Sacrificial Cake".
It is packaged together on vinyl - 3LP.
On cd, the two are released separately.
If you caught their last tour, they were playing a lot of these songs.
Basically , this release is like the World of Skin, musically.
But the musicianship is divided into two solo efforts.
Fantastic stuff from Gira, and the usual creepy stuff from Jarboe.
It's more personal and touching than "Annhillator" which has some
excellent tracks, but falls kinda flat as a whole.
In my opinion, their post "Children of God" career is summed up by
"Love of Life" and "White Light..." "Annhilator" is not essential.


 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 ''J''O''H''N'''''''R''I''C''K''M''A''N''''''''''''''''''''''''
                                       [email protected]

On Thu, 19 Oct 1995 [email protected] wrote:

> >So we do have closet-S.W.A.N.S. admirers on this list!>
> Although (shame on me) I havn't heard the new SWANS LP. Has anyone?

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:08:02 -0500
From: "Michael C. Lawyer" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Soundtracks


I have to say the best soundtrack around is for Resivor Dogs, I can't get
enough of that wasted Dj, and for reasons unknown to me that steelers
wheels song has been in my head for the last three days.
I also think the Swing Kids soundrack deserves an honorable mention for
amazing stuff, If only they'd left out the orchastra bits and added more
jazz. (Make's you appreciate programable players)

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:41:31 EDT
From: redacted (unknown@unknown)
Subject: Re: Soundtracks


>If nothing else, it would be a refreshing distraction from the "Pink
>Opaque" is an album "Less filling/tastes great" debate.

.........That's hillarious!!! thanks for the comic relief

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:25:09 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Soundtracks


Wattso, Hemsey, whatever his name is wrote:

> 1. bladerunner (vangelis bootleg)*

(beating me to the punch, eh?)

Hmmm, let's see...in (mostly) no particular order...

10)  Once Upon a Time in America (morricone)
9)   The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (morricone)
8)   Once Upon a Time in the West (morricone--my favorite of the 3, btw)
7)   Akira
6)   (see above)
5)   Powaqqatsi  (Glass)  (even though everyone I know hates it...)



..ok I can't think of anything else offhand.


marvynHortman


Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:06:03 -0700
From: kenneth ([email protected])
Subject: Re: the amps/new kristin hersh e.p.


On Thu, 19 Oct 1995, Ellens, Harm wrote:

> >
> >Keith
> >"I saw you kneeling on a desert plateau/Your eyes were melting from inside
> >your skull." - M. Gira
> >
> So we do have closet-S.W.A.N.S. admirers on this list!


No closet SWANS fan here. They are great.  Saw them in Berekley, CA in
July and it was an amazing show.  Gira has this... presence... that is
amazing.

There is a SWANS side project called The World of Skin; mostly Gira and
Jarboe.  But at least the first album, Prod Us II, has a strong 4AD
connection.  It was recorded at Blackwing Studios and several 4AD
musicians, including Martin McCarrick and Gini Ball, play on it.

Sorry if this has been covered before.
________________________________________________________________

        There is a Hand to turn the time,
        Through thy Glass today be run,
        Till the Light that hath brought the Towers low
        Find the last poor Pret'rite one...
        Till the Riders sleep by ev'ry road,
        All through our crippl'd Zone,
        With a face on ev'ry mountainside,
        And a Soul in ev'ry stone...
________________________________________________________________


Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:33:29 +0100
From: "Hugh O'Brien" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: mo wax/anoiseannoys/tindersticks


>a friend of mine has a various artists disc(the title escapes me), and a
>u.n.k.l.e. 12" both of which are on a label called mo wax.  both releases are
>great hip-hop/jazz that is almost exclusively instrumental.

        mo-wax is indeed a great label and here in dublin the
        stores are teeming with 12"s and lp's from this label.
        it is run by 22/23yr old james lavelle but he has
        recently signed a deal with A&M who were apparently
        "stricken" by mo-wax so the stuff should become more
        available. for starters I recommend the Headz compilation
        of acts signed to mo-wax(which is probably the one you
        mentioned)and acts which have influenced them,including
        a track by Autechre. best to seek this stuff out on vinyl
        as I have done because like 4ad their artwork is collectable
        (with the Headz lp the art is by 3D from Massive Attack who is
        colour-blind!)

Where is Anoise Annoys?
What else is on this label????

        as far as I'm aware Anoise Annoys is a french label. I
        could be wrong, and I believe Frank Black is releasing
        a live lp recorded in Paris thru this label. also after
        Frank's session with Teenage Fanclub the Fannies say
        their next guest session will be with Ms. Deal.

> Tindersticks! What is people's opinion on them? I was tempted to buy the CD
> yesterday but bought the Mirror Pool instead. Good choice?

The one with the Spanish dancer on the cover, their debut I believe,
I owned that one for a week or two.  IMHO dull dull dull dull

        each to their own but I,like Jason have been listening
        to them quite a bit over the last few weeks(my flatmate
        is becoming a bit of a fan) and they are growing on me.
        a sort of bad seeds without the sleaze although the vocals
        can grate a bit after prolonged listening. why not buy 7"s
        and judge from that - try their latest single "travelling
        light".

        question: anybody know anything about Heavenly Bodies?
        robin guthrie produced and I think played on a 12" I have
        from them on Cest la Mort called "rains on me". thanks.


 Hugh O'Brien            [email protected]
"Music has to be sound, otherwise you are lost.Sound
goes into the inner part of the human soul"-Iannis Xenakis

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:00:14 -0400
From: "James P. Crimm" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Soundtracks


<<<<

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:26:03 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: <>


        The auction for these 4AD and 4AD-related CDs and records is moving
right along. In fact, it's at the half way point. Next Wednesday, October
25, 1995 at 11:00PM EST I will be closing the auction.
        I have been updating bidders individually by private e-mail over the
last week.  So now I'm posting the top bids for each item here on the list so
that anyone who missed out on the auction when it was first posted will
have a chance to place a bid.  I will consider bids in cash, trade, or
acombination of the two.  If you're interested in an item, you can contact me
for a more complete description, as well as a copy of my "want" list for
trades.  Include estimated shipping costs in the total of any cash bids.

*** The auction ends at 11:00PM EST on Wednesday, October 25, 1995 ***

I will update bidders on the status of their intended items via private e-mail.

*** Send all bids via private e-mail to [email protected] ***

=================
CDs for Sale/Trade
=================

18TH DYE -- Done (Matador/OLE117)  <>
APHEX TWIN -- Donkey Rhubarb (Sire/66104)  <<$6>>
BAILTER SPACE -- Wammo (Matador/OLE142)  <>
FRANK BLACK -- Conversation and Music With... (Elektra/PRCD-8829)  <>
FRANK BLACK -- Live 6/24/93 10pm est  (Elektra/4AD/PRCD?)  <>
THE BOO RADLEYS -- Lazy Day (Columbia/CSK4659)  <>
CATHERINE WHEEL -- Judy Staring At the Sea (Fontana/CDP-1496)  <<$5>>
CATHERINE WHEEL -- Crank (Fontana/CWCDB5)  Ltd. Edition single.  <<$8>>
CATHERINE WHEEL -- Show Me Mary (Fontana/CDP-1058)  Promo single.  <<$10>>
CATHERINE WHEEL -- Black Metallic (Fontana/CDP-694)  Promo single. <<$8>>
CATHERINE WHEEL -- The Nude (Fontana/CDP-1191)  Promo single.  <>
NICK CAVE & THE BAD SEEDS -- Live Seeds (Mute) Pro- sampler.  <>
CHAPTERHOUSE -- Falling Down (BMG/RDJ-62019)  Promo single.  <>
CHAPTERHOUSE -- We Are the Beautiful (Arista/ASCD-2626) Promo e.p.  <>
CONTROLLED BLEEDING -- Songs from the Ashes (CLM-CD022)  <>
CURVE -- Missing Link ep (Charisma/DPRO-14116)  Promo-only.  <<$3>>
DEAD CAN DANCE -- American Dreaming (PRO-CD-7213)  Promo single.  <>
DEAD CAN DANCE -- Toward the Within (VADD4015)  CD and video box.  <<$35>>
EDEN -- Gateway to the Mysteries (Third Mind/TMD-9219) <>
BRIAN ENO -- The Shutov Assembly (Opal/WB-9-45010)  <>
BRIAN ENO -- Ali Click (Opal/WB-9-40650)  Single.  <<$10>>
BRIAN ENO -- Fractal Zoom (Opal/WB-9-40539)  Single.  <<$10>>
BRIAN ENO -- Words and Music from Wrong Way Up (Opal/PRO-4691)  <>
BRIAN ENO -- Nerve Net (Opal/WB-9-45033)  <>
LISA GERMANO -- Stars (PRO-CD-7184)  Promo single.  <<$7>>
THE HAIR & SKIN TRADING CO. -- Psychedelische Musique...(FRR-011CD)  <<$8>>
HALF STRING -- Tripped Up Breathing  (IPR-048CD)  <<$5>>
KRISTIN HERSH -- Your Ghost (PRO-CD-6714) Promo single.  <>
HIS NAME IS ALIVE -- In Every Ford (4AD/PRO-CD-6069)  Promo single. <<$20>>
HUMAN DRAMA -- s/t (Projekt/PRO052)  <>
KITCHENS OF DISTINCTION -- 4 Men (A&M/31458-8038)  Promo single.  <<$7>>
LOOMINGS -- Dropping Bitter Tears e.p. (Mood Drawer/MDR013)  <>
LUSH -- For Love (PRO-CD-5299)  Promo single. <>
LUSH -- Superblast (PRO-CD-5471)  Promo ep.  <<$11>>
LUSH -- De-Luxe (PRO-CD-4662)  Promo single.  <<$5>>
LUSH -- LoveLife (PRO-CD-7092)  Promo single.  <<$10>>
LUSH -- Hypocrite (PRO-CD-6983) Promo single.  <<$7>>
LUSH -- Black Spring ep (4AD/BAD1016cd)  <<$5>>
MAGIC HOUR -- Will They Turn You On Or Will They Turn On You  <<$6>>
MOONSHAKE -- Eva Luna sampler (Matador/PRCD-5157)  <>
PETER MURPHY -- The Sweetest Drop (Beggars Banquet) Promo single.  <<$5>>
NEGATIVLAND -- Fair Use... (Seeland-013CD)  Promo sampler.  <>
STINA NORDENSTAM -- Little Star (EastWest/PRCD-5851)  Promo single.  <<$15>>
PALE SAINTS -- Angel (Will You Be My) (PRO-CD-7140) Promo single.  <>
POLARA -- s/t (Clean/CR-89276)  <<$8>>
RED HOUSE PAINTERS -- I Am A Rock (PRO-CD-6498)  Promo single.  <<$3>>
RUN ON -- On/Off (Matador/OLE143)  <>
SCENIC -- Incident At Cima (IPR-050CD)  Radio promo copy.  <>
SLOWDIVE -- Souvlaki (SBK-88263)  US version.  <<$9>>
SLOWDIVE -- Alison (SBK/DPRO-08729)  Promo single.  <<$5>>
KENDRA SMITH -- Valley of the Morning Sun (PROCD-7743-R)   <>
SPACEMEN 3 -- Big City (RCA/RDJ-2801)  Promo single.  <>
SPIRITUALIZED -- Run (BMG/RDJ-62269)  Promo single. <>
SPIRITUALIZED -- I Want You (BMG/RDJ-62327)  Promo single.  <<$6>>
SPIRITUALIZED -- Lay Back In the Sun (Arista/ASCD-2840)  Promo single. <<$6>>
SPIRITUALIZED -- Let It Flow (Spirit-009CD)  Ltd.Edtn. single.  <<$6>>
STRAITJACKET FITS -- Melt (Arista/ARCD-8645)  <<$4>>
STRAITJACKET FITS -- Missing from Melt (Arista/ASCD-2244)  <>
STRAITJACKET FITS -- Blow (Arista/AD-18697)  <>
SWERVEDRIVER -- Last Train to Satansville  (A&M) Promo ep.  <<$14>>
SWERVEDRIVER -- Reel to Real (A&M/75021-2402)  <>
SWERVEDRIVER -- Never Lose That Feeling (CRESCD-120)  <>
TARNATION -- The Hand (4AD/PRO-CD-7798) Promo single.  <<$7>>
ULTRA VIVID SCENE -- Candida (Chaos/4AD/OSK 5111)  Promo ep.  <<$15>>
VARIOUS -- The Winter of Our Discontent (T&N/Volume1)  <>
VARIOUS -- Doctor Death's Volume III (CLM-CD007)  <<$10>>
VARIOUS -- Opal: Assembly 1 (PRO-CD-3175)  Promo-only sampler.  <>
THE VERVE -- This Is Music (HUTCD54)  UK single.  <<$5>>
THE VERVE -- No Come Down (B Sides & Outtakes)  (YARDCD7)  <>
THE WOLFGANG PRESS -- A Girl Like You (PRO-CD-5415)  Promo single.  <>
THE WOLFGANG PRESS -- Mamma Told Me Not to Come (4AD-40674)  <>

===================
Vinyl for Sale/Trade
===================

TORI AMOS -- Under the Pink (Atlantic/82567)  Ltd.Edtn. pink vinyl. <>
AREA -- Fragments of the Morning (CLM-LP031)  <>
AREA -- The Perfect Dream (CLM-LP006)  <>
COCTEAU TWINS -- A Kissed Out Red Floatboat (SPRO-79512)  <>
COCTEAU TWINS -- Iceblink Luck (V-15626)  <>
COCTEAU TWINS -- Heaven or Las Vegas (SPRO-79415) Promo single.  <>
ALISONS HALO -- Dozen/Calendar (IPR049)  <>
TH FAITH HEALERS -- My Loser/Oh Baby (Elektra/ST-E-64666) Promo-only.  <<$3>>
FELT -- Valentine/Swell (Only Records/OLR069)  <>
HALF STRING -- Oval/Sun Less Sea (IPR047/TX002)  <>
HEAVENLY BODIES -- Celestial (CLM-LP010)  <>
HUMAN HANDS -- s/t (IPR/005) <>
JESUS AND MARY CHAIN -- Automatic (WB/9-26015)  <>
LUSH -- Gala (4AD/Reprise/9-26463)  <>
MAZZY STAR -- She's My Baby/Halah (Capitol/NR-58286)  Promo-only.  <>
PIXIES -- Doolittle (4AD/Elektra/9-60856)  <>
SCENIC -- The Kelso Run (IPR046)  <>
VARIOUS -- Ain't This Bliss, With You This (w/ TARNATION)  <>
VARIOUS -- INSIDES/GLEE CLUB (4AD/CHIN 1) Promo-only.  <>
PAUL WELLER -- Shadow of the Sun (live) (Go Discs/PNME01)  Promo. <>

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 12:49:24 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops ([email protected])
Subject: Last two Elysium shows


As far as I know, Elysium and The Aurora Borealis are playing tonight at
the Holy Cow in Salt Lake City.

Then it's the final show of the tour on Saturday
at the Artist's Cafe in San Francisco.

If you're in either of those two places at those times,
please go see them. I can't imagine any of you not enjoying them.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:49:09 -0500
From: eric ([email protected])
Subject: more of this damn swans thread


and the usual creepy stuff from Jarboe.

what do you mean?  i invested in her 13 Masks (or something like that) solo
cd, and i found it to be one of the worst solo efforts i've ever heard.  is
that a could indicator of what her solo stuff sounds like?  i keep hearing
that "i got a gun" echoing through my head to this day. awful stuff.
swans, on the other hand, is great.

eric


"i hear the language of flowers, and now i can't hear anything else."
        -pale saints "language of flowers"

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:20:52 -0400
From: Jay Senese ([email protected])
Subject: Lisa Gerrard Live in LA


...says here she's doing an in-store at the Virgin Megastore on Sunset Blvd.
on Thursday, October 26 at 8:00 PM.  Looks like its just an autograph signing
w/ no music.   phone nbr there is 213-650-8666.   Jay


Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:55:59 -0400
From: "James P. Crimm" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Pat Crimm: Re: Lori Carson


<<<<

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:00:44 -0700
From: Jens Alfke ([email protected])
Subject: Re: mo wax/anoiseannoys/tindersticks


Hugh O'Brian asks:
>        question: anybody know anything about Heavenly Bodies?
>        robin guthrie produced and I think played on a 12" I have
>        from them on Cest la Mort called "rains on me". thanks.

I owned the album briefly. Avoid. Bad imitation 4AD stuff, down to the
artwork (hint to thislisty art directors: avoid ITC Garamond like the
plague. In fact avoid any ITC typeface from before, oh, 1988.) Some of
the music was alright and kept me amused for a week or two, but
ultimately the fact that they were blatantly aping their betters (DCD,
TMC, Cocteau Twins to name a few) began to turn my stomach. The same
could be said for the Rose Chronicles and, to a lesser extent, Blind Mr.
Jones...

--Jens feels cranky (kranky?) today.

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:55:24 -0700
From: Matthew Polder ([email protected])
Subject: top 10 movie stuff (weird topic)


Not sure why this is being done, but hey, I'm bored.

My favorite soundtracks
1. Amadeus
2. The Mission
3. Passion
4. Awakenings
5. Joy Luck Club
6. Out Of Africa
7. Star Wars trilogy
8. Raiders Of The Lost Ark
9. (if I ever buy it) Judge Dredd (due to the presence of a certain x-4ad...)
10. Little Mermaid (actually, probably not, but I do own this CD. Sigh.)

matthew

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 23:59:27 +0100
From: Guy Vandekerckhove ([email protected])
Subject: Re: mo wax/anoiseannoys/tindersticks


On Thu, 19 Oct 1995, Hugh O'Brien wrote:

> > Tindersticks! What is people's opinion on them? I was tempted to buy the CD
> > yesterday but bought the Mirror Pool instead. Good choice?
>
> The one with the Spanish dancer on the cover, their debut I believe,
> I owned that one for a week or two.  IMHO dull dull dull dull
>

You love them or you hate,there seem to be no other possible opinions,
but I never thought to hear the words Tindersticks and dull in the same
sentence.For me they are the second best band on earth.
(Throwing Muses being the best)
Both their first album and their second aswell as both live albums
are damn great.
My advice :buy them all!!!!!!!!!!!!

guy


Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 20:38:53 -0400
From: TIM CONLON ([email protected])
Subject: Soundtracks


1492
Betty Blue
Braveheart
Cat People
Chariots of Fire
Clockwork Orange
Good, the Bad & the Ugly
Local Hero (Knopfler)
Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid (Dylan)
Witness

Honorable mention to "Manhunter" for introducing me to Shreikback

In full agreement that "Times Square" was a great compilation of new
wave music.  It came out in 1980.


TIM CONLON
[email protected]


Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 20:51:36 -0400
From: Neil James ([email protected])
Subject: CT 'Garlands'


Jens wrote-
>>>> Not really; "Hazel" is from the 1992 Peel Session that was tacked onto
the 4AD cassette and CD releases of "Garlands". It's not properly from the
album. (Incidentally, anyone who has only the US version of
"Garlands" is missing four essential tracks; it's one of the best Peel
Sessions I've ever heard, along with the Smiths one on "Hatful Of
Hollow".)<<<<

My CD (UK version) has SIX songs that the US version is missing:
   1)  Dear Heart
   2)  Hazel
   3)  Hearsay Please
   4)  Blind Dumb Deaf
   5)  Speak No Evil
   6)  Perhaps Some Other Aeon
in that order.  They are listed wrong, however.  They printed 'Hazel' and
'Hearsay Please' in reverse order.

domestically?<<<<

Yep.  Does anyone know the release date?

neil


Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:00:37 EDT
From: redacted (unknown@unknown)
Subject: FROM IG88 TO THE ECSTACY & WINE CD AUCTIONEER


        Hi! I hope you get this message! Because my email crashed and I no
longer have your email or address. This happens a lot, it's really
frustrating. As soon as I get your address, I'll write it down and mail out
the money order
...Dave

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 21:30:42 -0600
From: Michael C Lawyer ([email protected])
Subject: Re: mo wax/anoiseannoys/tindersticks


>        Frank's session with Teenage Fanclub the Fannies say
>        their next guest session will be with Ms. Deal.
>
When/where can I get the Ms Deal session? I must have it ( I love Kim, TF
is tolerable) Also, Who else Has Kim worked with in the past on projects
like this?
And for one more annoying question what is known about the Tammy and the
Amps? I read about them in spin (I'm sorry, I would never have bought it if
it didn't have kim on the cover) and they are touring with Sonic Youth as
the Amps (that's how it reads on my ticket anyway) but whene is their stuff
coming out, and is there anything about them on the net (pages, tabs,
Lyrics, anything)
please let me know what you know

mike

Backups!? We don't *NEED* no stinking Bac89_k[:.>*>s   NO CARRIER


Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:09:11 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: I've Got No Balls and I'm Facing The Wrong Way


Please folks, no bids to the list...they are sent private email to
the auctionier.

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:03:40 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Saint Etienne


Also, there is rumored to be a fan club CD that has everything that was
left off of You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone.  For the umpteenth
time, does anyone know how to join or contact their fan club?