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Subject: Re: COCTEAU ART WORK
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:24:35 -0400
From: Neil James (Quixote4@AOL.COM)
Subject: Kurt Ralske producer, W. Defever remixer
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:05:44 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: COCTEAU ART WORK
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:43:16 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: air miami/unrest guitar chords...please help!!
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:50:57 -0500
From: Steven Szaks (gszaks@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU)
Subject: Re: <> (long)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 12:29:13 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Scheer and Amps - what the HELL?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:04:32 -0700
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: air miami/unrest guitar chords...please help!!
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:02:38 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Soundtracks
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:16:43 PDT
From: Ara Kermanikian (araker@MICROSOFT.COM)
Subject: the elysium diaries (colorado....LONG)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:20:21 -0600
From: ".mark...der Prinz der Pailletten."
Subject: Re: Soundtracks
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:15:21 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Soundtracks
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:33:44 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: I've Got No Balls and I'm Facing The Wrong Way
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 23:16:06 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: Re: COCTEAU ART WORK
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:53:16 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Soundtracks
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:00:49 +0100
From: Guy Vandekerckhove (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:24:35 -0400
From: Neil James (Quixote4@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: COCTEAU ART WORK


>>          Something just hit me...who is the person responsible for doing
all
>>the incredible weird, spooky photographs and artwork for CT
>>albums...especially head over heels and ummm... the PEPERMINT PIG CD
>>SINGLE! That photograph is one of the creepiest I've ever seen. For those
>>of you not familliar, it's a photo of a murky day in front of a house
>>surrounded by water and some woman neck deep in the water(maybe it's Liz)

>It never struck me as creepy.  Is it murky rather than steamy?  Is it a hot
>spring in Sweden perhaps (are there hot springs in Sweden?)?  For some
>reason, it always put me in mind of Scandinavia and sex.  However, I'm
>pretty sure this says more about me that the photo.  As for it being Liz in
>the photo, I doubt it.

I'm pretty sure the photo is Liz from the back.  I read a while back that the
girl with the upstretched arms on Garlands is Liz, and 'Garlands' was
produced at the end of 1982, and 'Peppermint Pig' in 1983, and the hair style
is exactly the same, and the color of the hair is exactly the same...So,
'pretty sure it's her.  I've always thought of the EP 'Peppermint Pig' as a
single from the 'Garlands' album because "Hazel" is on both.  And I'm like
you Simon; I always think of Scandinavia when I see this photo.  Like Liz was
vacationing at a spa and someone just happened to take a picture from behind.

Well, 'till later...

neil


neil


Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:05:44 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Kurt Ralske producer, W. Defever remixer


For those who are devout fans of the above, I saw two releases they worked on
at the station.

individual fruit pie, _Release Me_, on Dot Dot Dash
My first impressions were... not too much. The singer has a very loungey voice
and the guitar has that twangy sort of tone.
Kurt Ralske recorded/produced this.

Two Michigan bands on a split 7" on the label
Binausic
3154 Gable
Livonia, MI 48152
This appears to be the third release from this label,
the first 7" has a Princess Dragon Mom song on it.

Godzuki, "12 inch dance mix" / Asha-Vida, "pinion"

The Godzuki song is one of those catchy indie rock things with female vox,
that starts out quiet at first and rocks out a little way in. There's a
little spastic sax solo going through the loud part which is pretty fun.
Warren is credited by one of those "Want Ad Membership" stickers for
remixing the song. Obvious Defeverisms I heard were the bits at the
beginning and end of the song, heavy EQing of alternating 2 bar sections,
some funny panning. All in all, a pretty good tune, better than what I've
heard of the Liquorice LP.

The Asha-Vida song features some "tribal"-toms drumming that gives a sort
of ritual dance quality to it. There's some high male vox, spooky recorders
in a cave, some atonal bass, and distant guitar howlings and such.
Also a pretty good song.

-nck

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:43:16 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: COCTEAU ART WORK


Neil James writes:
>I've always thought of the EP 'Peppermint Pig' as a
>single from the 'Garlands' album because "Hazel" is on both.

Not really; "Hazel" is from the 1992 Peel Session that was tacked onto
the 4AD cassette and CD releases of "Garlands". It's not properly from
the album. (Incidentally, anyone who has only the US version of
"Garlands" is missing four essential tracks; it's one of the best Peel
Sessions I've ever heard, along with the Smiths one on "Hatful Of Hollow".)

Yours anal-retentively,

--Jens



Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:50:57 -0500
From: Steven Szaks (gszaks@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU)
Subject: air miami/unrest guitar chords...please help!!


I know that "airplane rider", and "makeout club" are baiscally the
same chords, ant that they are barred, but what are ythey?? also,
what kind of effect does mark use to get that sound??  a chorus
pedal?? please help.

thanks
steve
maddrose@niu.edu
gszaks@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu


Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 12:29:13 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: <> (long)


>Run and Angel Sigh.
>        SPIRITUALIZED -- I Want You (BMG/RDJ-62327)  Promo single.  17
>minutes.  2 tracks: I Want You and unreleased Feel So Bad.  No insert.
>        SPIRITUALIZED -- Lay Back In the Sun (Arista/ASCD-2840)  Promo
>single.  2 tracks: alternate edited master version, and the album
version.
>        SPIRITUALIZED -- Let It Flow (Spirit-009CD)  25 minutes.  4
tracks.
>Number 2 in a series of ltd. edition singles.  Cardboard sleeve.  Made
in UK.

i will give you $6 for each of these. if someone outbids me, please let
me know. i may descide to go higher.thank you.


                                -robert.

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:04:32 -0700
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Scheer and Amps - what the HELL?


>
> It's stuff like this that's going to make people think twice
> about buying anything on 4AD anymore. I give the guy credit
> for trying to branch out, but there are limits, for chrissakes!
>


It's funny...an article on Scheer in Melody Maker over the summer lauded
4AD for finally releasing some good stuff after a few years of crap.
Maybe they were talking about Air Miami. hehe..

By the way... is anyone going to Thursday's show? One of the perks of
working for the office is I get a free ticket! yay!


Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:02:38 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: air miami/unrest guitar chords...please help!!


Steven Szaks asks:
>also, what kind of effect does mark use to get that sound??  a chorus
>pedal?? please help.

I remember that somewhere in the booklet of Unrest's last album was a
smug note saying that no guitar effects were used. Although it sounds to
my layman's ears that Mark has been using some types of effects on Air
Miami's album (perhaps Guy Fixsen talked him into it.)

--Jens


Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:16:43 PDT
From: Ara Kermanikian (araker@MICROSOFT.COM)
Subject: Soundtracks


Since we all ( to some degree ) have similar taste in music, how about
sharing our top 10+ favorite movie soundtracks.

If nothing else, it would be a refreshing distraction from the "Pink
Opaque" is an album "Less filling/tastes great" debate.

I'll go first :

10 -The Cook, the thief, his wife and her lover
9  - Hardware
8  - The Hunger
7  - The last temptation of Christ - Passion ( Peter Gabriel )
6  - Sex Lies and videotape
5  - Bettie Blue
4  - Baraka
3  - Clockwork Orange
2  - 1492, the conquest of Paradise ( Vangelis )
1  - Blade Runner ( Vangelis version )

<< ARA >>

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:20:21 -0600
From: ".mark...der Prinz der Pailletten."
Subject: the elysium diaries (colorado....LONG)


well....after just spending the last two days basically revolving my life
around elysium and the two showS they were playing in colorado i feel the
need to post this little diary.  maybe it's the lack of sleep or the
total rush i'm still feeling while listening to _glisten_ over and over.
bear with me....

day 1:  ft.collins.

it's a long drive to ft.collins from boulder, i had forgetten that.  so
across the prairie i went.  lucky for me fellow listie drew s. lives up
there so i had a friend to accompany me.  after dinner and chatting we
wandered up to the club (er...bar).  going inside was too scary to
handle, lots of big guys drinking beer and screaming about the football
game that was on at least two tv's (not that there's anything wrong with
this, i just couldn't imagine that elysium was going to play there)  as it
turns out, they weren't....the show had been moved across the street to
another bar.

the aurora borealis were doing something that could be called either
soundcheck or fucking around when we showed up  as i was to find out later
most of elysium were sitting right in front of the stage.  i had been told
earlier in the day that jen (the lead singer) would be wearing a brown skirt
and that they'd be "the tired ones".  not much to go on, and being the shy
person i am i didn't actually approach them till after the aurora borealis set.

on to that.....the aurora guys finally merged their goofing around into
an actually set.  i'm not sure if it started before or after the 2 minute
version of "death of a disco dancer", but oh well.  AB were fun, really
fun!...and i dare say they were a wee bit tipsy. (rodney had the same
nice and smiley.

i think drew and i were the only ones there for the bands themselves,
though a crowd of people were beginning to show up for the local band,
jupiter, that was to play after elysium.

anyway, elysium were stunning.  everybit as wonderful as the cd.  i
hadn't realized that the drums were programmed (which made rodney, one of
the guitarists, superhappy).  they played what seemed to be a relatively
short set consisting of album/nonalbum tracks.  jen's voice is beautiful,
it's such fun to watch her sing.  my only complaint were the
surroundings...i couldn't believe i was hearing this beautiful music in
the back corner of a bar with considerable din going on the background.
after the show the band was relatively disappointed with their
performance, and they were damn tired.  drew and i though it was fab, but
i was to find out (and drew, you're going to hate me for saying this)
that it was merely a warm up for what was to come on tuesday....

day 2: denver

as it turns out jen's family lives on the south edge of denver.  the bands
crashed there and a bbq was planned for the day.  i got there late to
find that jen was out with her dad on his harley, rodney and tony
(elysium) and some of the aurora guys were on the back porch.  got to chat
for awhile enjoying the late afternoon, all the while rodney playing around
with his acoustic guitar.  a very relaxed atmosphere.  the band was in
much better humor. jen showed up and i got to hear cool childhood stories
and find out that brant is a supernice guy in real life.  the
conversation all day and night was peppered with tony or jen saying
"right-O!"  so, do all you californians say this, or is it just an
elysium-specific idiom?  even more frightening, i caught myself saying it
to someone today....

the club (er...bar) was much better in denver.  there was simply a better
feeling everywhere.  the show opened with a brand new denver act that was
friends with john (elysium)....petrified flowers (florist?).  nice stuff,
electric and acoustic guitar, programmed drums and keyboards, male
vocals.  the music strangely resembled some HOLV cocteaux.  i was amazed
to find such a thing coming from the evilscene here.

the order was switched for tonight.  so elysium came on second.
mygodmygodmygodmygod!  they were so incredible.  they opened with
glistening ganache and from then on they soared.  jen dedicated  "sweetly
said" to her mom and "proud man" to her dad.  i had the feeling that i
was seeing some of the most incredible talent in a long time.  the
interplay between rodney's and tony's guitars was astonishing.  and damn
if rodney doesn't remind me just a tad of robin guthrie when he's up on
stage with his cool orangered guitar.  one of the newer songs is called
"christmas", and it's incredible!!!  if you get a chance to see them, ask
them to play this song before they go on.  it's the one where rodney
switches to bass.  anychance there will be a 7" of this brant?
pleasepleaseplease!!!  conclusion: go see them!  buy their cd!  love them!

the aurora borealis rawked!  wow, they were so much more together.
everything was on on on on last night.  the people at the bar kept
yelling for AB to keep playing.  "wow, it's our first encore ever..."
the bartender kept bringing out drinks at the end in exchange for
songs.  even got to continue the smiths theme with a two minute version
of "last night i dreamt..." very cool.

to bring this long message to a close.  i feel even more moved by
_glisten_ than i already was.  the live show is incredible and the band
themselves are great people.  i feel i made some lovely friends, and i
couldn't help but be a bit sad when i had to leave.

sorry for the length of this.....

        .bye.....mark.

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:15:21 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Soundtracks


> Since we all ( to some degree ) have similar taste in music, how about
> sharing our top 10+ favorite movie soundtracks.

What does this have to do with 4ad?

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."


Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:33:44 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Soundtracks


I don't know if I can come up with 10, but:

1. Mishima (Philip Glass)
2. Wings Of Desire (Jurgen Knieper)  [not the rock stuff, the orchestral score]
3. 2001: A Space Odyssey (mostly for the Ligeti stuff)
4. Koyaanisqatsi (Philip Glass)
5. Carnage Visors (The Cure; well, it _says_ "film soundtrack" on the
cassette...)
6. Urgh! A Music War (lots & lots of new wave circa 1980)
7. Yellow Submarine (Beatles / George Martin; a childhood favorite)
8. Exotica
9. The Decline Of Western Civilization (LA hardcore circa 1980, my intro
to punk rock)

I recall that "Sex, Lies & Videotape" and "Drowning By Numbers" had good
scores, but I haven't bought/heard the soundtrack albums.

There was an experimental short film I saw once called "Sanctus" whose
visuals were all motion picture x-rays of the human body and whose
soundtrack was entirely spliced/mixed together from the "Sanctus"
sections of many different Masses. It was spellbinding actually, but I
never found out who did it.

--Jens

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 23:16:06 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: Re: I've Got No Balls and I'm Facing The Wrong Way


hey IV SONGS

I'm interested in some of the stuff you are offering for sale/trade.
I'll get to that in a minute; but first: did you get a copy of my
sale/trade list that I advertised on the 4ad list? IF not, let me
know because I might have something you want. Perhaps we can work
out a trade for one of these:

>FTWW I (1995)

>UNREST - (non 4AD) - BOOT PEEL SESSIONS 7" ep (limited and numbered)

also, can you tell me what is on the postcard that comes with the
Air Miami 7"? thanks

Mike


Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:53:16 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: COCTEAU ART WORK


> Not really; "Hazel" is from the 1992 Peel Session that was tacked onto
> the 4AD cassette and CD releases of "Garlands". It's not properly from
> the album. (Incidentally, anyone who has only the US version of
> "Garlands" is missing four essential tracks; it's one of the best Peel
> Sessions I've ever heard, along with the Smiths one on "Hatful Of Hollow"=
.)

=09You mean 1983. Anyway, it is a really good peel session; the=20
version of =D2Hazel=D3 on it is better than the version which made it to th=
e=20
=D2Peppermint Pig=D3 single, and =D2Hearsay Please=D3 and =D2Dear Heart=D3 =
are=20
excellent songs. I can=D5t imagine why they didn=D5t put those two on some=
=20
official release.

=3D "Wake up, see    \ If there's no God, why      + "Where unadmired being=
s =3D
=3D the sun...what's / are there atheists?         + dread the due changes =
  =3D
=3D done is done..." \  -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..."             =
  =3D
=3D  -Ride: "Today"  /   Ontological Proof         +  -Red House Painters  =
  =3D

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:00:49 +0100
From: Guy Vandekerckhove (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: Soundtracks


My list:

-pulp fiction
-matter of degrees
-casablanca

guy