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Subject: Elysium in Los Angeles 11/6
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 00:46:20 -0400
From: Jay Senese (JaySenese@AOL.COM)
Subject: RHP show in S.F.
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 21:22:15 -0700
From: Elvia Tarango (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Saint Etienne
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 05:55:40 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Dif Juz
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 21:52:23 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Nadja [thislisty movie #2]
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 00:29:51 -0400
From: susan@ACS.BU.EDU
Subject: Re: 4AD freaks: WATCH OUT!
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 00:00:38 -0500
From: Chad Burkey (burkey@CSTAR.AC.COM)
Subject: Re: Elysium in Los Angeles 11/6
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 22:30:25 -0700
From: Al Oliver (brett@WOPR.GSM.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP (again) and Ocean Beach
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 22:35:43 -0700
From: Al Oliver (brett@WOPR.GSM.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: Saint Etienne
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:29:01 -0400
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: For Love EP (was: Germano/Lush/CT auction)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:35:11 +0200
From: Andras Salamon (andras@IS.CO.ZA)
Subject: Used CDs...contact THEIR emails addresses; not mine.
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:31:31 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Dif Juz
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:54:46 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Dif Juz
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:11:08 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: Re: Elysium in Los Angeles 11/6
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:42:57 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: COCTEAU ART WORK
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:24:55 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: CT
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:36:09 +0100
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: belly in Pittsburgh
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 09:08:17 EST
From: "John T. Robicheau" (ROBICHEAU@DRUGINFONET.PHARM-EPID.PITT.EDU)
Subject: Saint Etienne
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 06:59:48 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD freaks: WATCH OUT!
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:45:45 -0400
From: "Thinking no thing will limited-self unlimit."
Subject: Re: 4AD freaks: WATCH OUT!
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 12:02:09 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:09:20 -0400
From: MCINTYRE@PA.MSU.EDU
Subject: the little auction
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:26:24 -0700
From: lushmuse (eahu597@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: <>
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 17:29:20 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: a little release info, to set the record straight...
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 16:24:58 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: fx techie question
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 00:57:15 -0600
From: joroses@mail.utexas.edu (lime-green colostomy bag)
Subject: Scheer and Amps - what the HELL?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 20:55:01 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 00:46:20 -0400
From: Jay Senese (JaySenese@AOL.COM)
Subject: Elysium in Los Angeles 11/6


Yipes!  I've been following the Elysium tour here on the mailing list for
days, watching it build momentum toward its finale in LA on 11/6,  and now
tickets are on sale in LA for Electrafixion/Echobelly on the same night!
  What would *you* do?  Help!

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 21:22:15 -0700
From: Elvia Tarango (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: RHP show in S.F.


For anyone interested, I recently got an e-mail from the web master over at
the Great American Music Hall in San Francisco (California) saying that
they are trying to put together a show with RHP at the Noe Valley Ministry
(S.F.) sometime in November. I, for one, would LOVE to see them
again...anyone, anyone, anyone?

Elvia

(elvia@uclink3.berkeley.edu)

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 05:55:40 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Saint Etienne

              13:52:06 -0500

hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US writes:

> PS I reckon the rare-tape-thingie is dead judging from the lack of
> response to my previous note...I guess no one gives a shit about the
> "lost-in-progress" tape-chain at this point. :(

Ahmn, uhm. The tapes are sitting at a couple of people, and I just
haven't gotten my shit together.  I was supposed to send out the
address lists to them, like, a year ago.  Then life sort of happened.

I might still do it, though.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 21:52:23 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dif Juz


> 4.  "Who Says So," which is also a compiation of "Huremics" and "Vibrating
> Air."

Wow, I never thought I'd catch you on a mistake! :)
"Who Says So" is NOT a compilation of "H" and "VA" but is
a separate album with 8 songs unavailable anywhere else
(except if you count the "Time Clock Turn Back" cassette,
[but who even HAS this?] -- some of Who Says So is on there)

> 5.  "Extractions" is available on CD and may be available on vinyl.

Indeed it's available on both, and is still in print at least on CD.
I see it all the time. I've seen the vinyl version at least twice with
a flawed sleeve where the color plates were not lined up well-- all the
text appears as multiple images, sort of giving it a hyper-v23 look. I
don't have any idea how many copies of this flawed sleeve "escaped".

Word from Arizona about a possible Dif Juz / IPR connection hasn't
changed very much. Something MAY happen eventually, but at this point
plans are still very preliminary.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 00:29:51 -0400
From: susan@ACS.BU.EDU
Subject: Re: Nadja [thislisty movie #2]

              12, 95 01:53:47 pm

>   The film itself was, as my friend M@ puts it, "deeply flawed" -- it
> being understood that this is a compliment of sorts. It's in black and
> white, with some sequences, mostly the vampire action, shot in
> PixelVision (a very lo-res digital camera originally marketed as a toy
> but adopted by various lo-lo-budget filmmakers.) The acting was uneven
> but very effective at points, with Nadja herself (the vampire) very much
> the eerie undead babe -- the actress who played her has that same
> translucent skin that Peter Murphy has. Similarly, the dialog ranged from
> overwrought to hilarious to poetic.
>   In general most Goth-type stuff makes me roll my eyes, but the film
> took a number of chances and avoided cliches. It's not Great Art, and

Well, I usually consider "deeply flawed" a fault, but perhaps that's a
personal bias. :) I do think Nadja had a lot of problems, mostly in tone,
dialogue, character development, and umm, well, that's enough, isn't it?

It was beautifully shot - I'll give it that. It had a dreamy otherworldly
feel, heightened by the use of black & white, and also to some degree by the
lack of cohesion. The tone problem was the worst, I think - it never knew when
to take itself seriously as a goth/vampire flick, or to be irreverent NY
hipsters. The latter got seriously grating, especially with the too-cute line
"I'm dying...... for a cigarette." Elina Lowensohn is hindered as an actress
by her Romanian accent - either it fits her character or it doesn't, and she
can never really move beyond the "mysterious, Romanian" character. It worked
in her favor in Nadja, but none of the other characters besides the wacky
vampire-hunting uncle are developed at all, and when they are desperate to
save Lucy from Nadja's clutches, you have to wonder why they care. I certainly
didn't.

Ah well, the soundtrack was good too. Out soon on Matador perhaps?


Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 00:00:38 -0500
From: Chad Burkey (burkey@CSTAR.AC.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD freaks: WATCH OUT!


At 06:07 PM 10/13/95 -0400, you wrote:
>now is it only me or this whole crap about the "good times" virus is nothing
>        but a huge chain letter that keeps poping up everytime a newbie comes
>        across it?
>maybe this is worst damage that the virus does: enslaves newbies' minds and
>        makes them clog up everybody's mailboxes.  :)

  

>Joherius

I don't know...*I* just got the following from a friend of mine.

>    Well, this supposed "hoax" just ruined my new 137Mhz Pentium.  I
> tried to avoid danger by wearing welder's glasses while reading the
> message, but I don't think even that was dark enough.  One thing the
> previous message did not explain was the selection of its algorithm of
> harm.  The latest batch of Pentiums actually have a protection mode to
> automatically sheild nth-complexity infinite binary loops (they will,
> however, do (n-1)th complexity).  Apparently the author of this email
> virus anticipated this, and the virus launched a 37th-complexity finite
> three-way loop.  Naturally, such loops cannot be made infinite, but it
> was certainly enough to fry the processor.  Unfortunately, not before
> the resulting local-space deformation did other damage.  To wit:
>
>  *  All stored phone numbers were erased from my phone.
>  *  My mouse buttons are now reversed.
>  *  My paper-clip holder magnet is almost useless now.
>  *  My left speaker was fried, and my right speaker keeps
>      playing Herb Albert's "Tiajuana Taxi" in the background
>      (unplugging it doesn't help).
>  *  Now I'm right-handed.
>  *  I'm not sure how, but there's dried vermicelli stuck to my
>      ceiling.
>
>     One (small) consolation.  Now I'm able to send email (like this
> one) just by thinking about it (but I have to hold carrots in both
> hands - go figure).
Chad Burkey                                             Andersen Consulting
burkey@andersen.com                Center for Strategic Technology Research
                          I speak only for myself

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 22:30:25 -0700
From: Al Oliver (brett@WOPR.GSM.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: Elysium in Los Angeles 11/6


> Yipes!  I've been following the Elysium tour here on the mailing list for
> days, watching it build momentum toward its finale in LA on 11/6,  and now
> tickets are on sale in LA for Electrafixion/Echobelly on the same night!
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

These same folks are playing at the the Galaxay in Santa Ana on the 4th.
That is about 40 miles form LA. That is not necessarily what I would do,
but it increases your options.

Brett
>   What would *you* do?  Help!
>


Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 22:35:43 -0700
From: Al Oliver (brett@WOPR.GSM.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP (again) and Ocean Beach


> because Ocean Beach was their "worst" album--- MAN, you are either ignorant
> or are not really a RHP fan because if you were, you'd realize that the
> band has gone beyond "Lord Kill The Pain" (which was probably your fave RHP
> song) and that in fact, it is one of their best! So there...oaky, feeling
> better all ready.


Well about 10 days ago, Mark was on KCRW (in LA) and he said the reason
he bagged 4ad was because they wanted to rework their upcoming release.
He did not have one good thing to say about Ivo. I guess he wanted to
remove guitar parts of a 7 minute song to make it about 4 min. or so.
This did not sit well with Mark. Anyway he played some new material was
played from a DAT. One song stood out as being real good. The title had
somthing to do with paper. Mark also said they are looking for a label. I
would have taped the whole thing but I was at work. That is all I know.

Brett


Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:29:01 -0400
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Saint Etienne


i just heard the St.Etienne cover of "I'm Too Sexy" and it's
beautiful!!!!  It's turned into the mostest melancholiest song...

*lorraine

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:35:11 +0200
From: Andras Salamon (andras@IS.CO.ZA)
Subject: For Love EP (was: Germano/Lush/CT auction)


On Sun, 15 Oct 1995 Bairmiami@AOL.COM wrote:
> Lush, "For Love" EP-->$20
> --songs:  For Love; Starlust (diff. than "Split" version); Outdoor Miner;
> Astronaut
> --Out-of-print; tri-fold digipak in super condition

If anyone is in Edinburgh, Hogs Head has had copies of this for around
two years.  They had at least one copy left around a month ago (I
bought the other one).

Not great condition, but at cheap at #1.99.

-- Andras Salamon                   andras@is.co.za

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:31:31 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Used CDs...contact THEIR emails addresses; not mine.


Once again, I don't know these people, I never invited any of them over for
dinner, etc. etc.  If you want any of these items, contact the addresses
attached to the CD name to work out the details.  The date under the name of
the CD is when the CD item was posted.  These CDs are all less than a week
old; I get an update every Monday with the new CDs that have been added to
this "international" Used CD bin.  :)  (I do believe the prices quoted all
include shippping, though.)


Cocteau Twins                       Pearly, Pink & White [live]
         $10           12-Oct-1995 schuster@panix.com

Garbage                             Garbage
         $8            14-Oct-1995 hark@u.washington.edu

Red House Painters                  Ocean Beach
         $8            15-Oct-1995 blankgal@aztec.asu.edu

Roach, Steve             CD         Origins
         $9            11-Oct-1995 c562611@showme.missouri.edu

Roach, Steve             CD         Western Spaces (rare IC Version
         ???           11-Oct-1995 c562611@showme.missouri.edu

(hey, he's on Projekt...well, sort-of.)

Syd Barrett                         The Madcap Laughs
         $7.99 ppd     15-Oct-1995 luther@io.com

***This has the the original "Late Night" on it for those of you who have to
have everything remotely related to This Mortal Coil*** -of which I am one. :)

Wolfgang Press, The                 Funky Little Demons
         $8            15-Oct-1995 blankgal@aztec.asu.edu

Wolfgang Press, The                 Queer
         $8            15-Oct-1995 blankgal@aztec.asu.edu




marvynHortman                  ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us


Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:54:46 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Dif Juz

              -0400 <25101321171171@ps.polisci.wisc.edu>

Jeff wrote:

>4.  "Who Says So," which is also a compiation of "Huremics" and "Vibrating
>Air."  It is not a 4AD release and "Vibrating Air" is probably unremixed.

This can't be right!  I have to admit that I haven't listened to "Who Says
So" for years, but I'm as certain as I can be that it doesn't overlap with
"Huremics".  I don't think it overlaps with "Vibrating Air" either, but
I've virtually never listened to that on "Out of the Trees", so I could be
wrong.

Simon Hughes

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:11:08 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU who

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:42:57 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Elysium in Los Angeles 11/6


> Yipes!  I've been following the Elysium tour here on the mailing list for
> days, watching it build momentum toward its finale in LA on 11/6,  and now
> tickets are on sale in LA for Electrafixion/Echobelly on the same night!
>   What would *you* do?  Help!

Well, the tour actually ends with the San Francisco show this
Saturday. The LA show on 11/6 is just their next show afterward,
and they usually do play a fair amount around here, so if you
REALLY want to see E&E...


|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:24:55 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: COCTEAU ART WORK

              <199510152247.SAA15749@zaphod.bennington.edu>

redacted wrote:

>          Something just hit me...who is the person responsible for doing all
>the incredible wierd, spooky photographs and artwork for CT
>albums...especially head over heels and ummm... the PEPERMINT PIG CD
>SINGLE! That photograph is one of the creepiest I've ever seen. For those
>of you not familliar, it's a photo of a murky day in front of a house
>surrounded by water and some woman neck deep in the water(maybe it's Liz)

It never struck me as creepy.  Is it murky rather than steamy?  Is it a hot
spring in Sweden perhaps (are there hot springs in Sweden?)?  For some
reason, it always put me in mind of Scandinavia and sex.  However, I'm
pretty sure this says more about me that the photo.  As for it being Liz in
the photo, I doubt it.

Simon Hughes


Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:36:09 +0100
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: CT


I listened to a CT live tape (OK it was a bootleg). It was an audience
recording fom Brixton in 1994. Out of 10 I'd give a 4 for recording quality.
In between 2 or 3 songs there's some annoying guy who keeps shouting out
...
In a London accent, slightly inebriated:

'Oi Liz...
    Liz frazier, Liz, Liz Frazier
   Can I have your autograph.
   Can you sign the back of my ticket.
   Liz, Liz Frazier'..... Fade into song.

Its quite a funny tape.

Also, coz the vocals are louder than everything else Liz's improvisations
of the songs had my girlfriend and I in stitches. At times it sounds as if
someone is tickling or pinching her . Like the way on Garlands and Sunburst
there's a lit warble at the end of each line, here there's a warble
after each word. At first I thought it was the tape but a closer listen
reveals it isn't.
Maybe liz could write the dialogue for the Klingons in Star Trek.




'H' Cambridge

Stockholm Environment Institute at York
University of York, York, Uk.
Tel +44 1904 432992
Fax +44 1904 432898


Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 09:08:17 EST
From: "John T. Robicheau" (ROBICHEAU@DRUGINFONET.PHARM-EPID.PITT.EDU)
Subject: belly in Pittsburgh


I went to see belly in Pittsburgh Saturday night. They played
slow and sloppy at first. Catherine Wheel bailed at the last minute.
They played a good mix of old and new stuff including some
different sounding guitar (a wah-monica sound). Torwards the end they
sounded tighter and they played an unreleased song called Lilith
which was really nice (and very drum heavy).

The biggest surprise for me was the crowd. Everyone on the floor
were moshing/slamming and some were crowd surfing. They even moshed
to the ballads! I was in the balcony looking down at all these
lemmings busting into each other during a soft sounding ballad!

Songs which I can remember being played:
Dusted
Slow Dog
Feed the Tree
Gepetto
Silverfish
Red
Judas my Heart
Super Connected
Lilith
about four songs that don't appear on Star or King (singles)
they played for about an hour

the band seemed out of it but put on an enjoyable show.


--------------
John Robicheau

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 06:59:48 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Saint Etienne


>Does anyone have any other info on these guys?  I tried glancing back through
>old mail on this thread but didn't find anything enlightening.

Um...Bob Stanley used to be a music journalist. He was the one who reviewed
the Stone Roses' first album in the NME (or was it MM?). He still writes
stuff occasionally.

>if i
>remember right, they have multiple singers, but that's all i really know.

Well, they went through a few before settling on Sarah Cracknell, and even
after that they still brought in others such as Q-Tee and Shara Nelson once
in a while. Sarah has supposedly left the band but only temporarily (or
something). The singles comp "You Need A Mess of Help To Stand Alone" (Beach
Boys reference) contains pretty much every singer they've used (though at
least one has never recorded with them) and has some tracks that are
otherwise hard to find.

>oh, and tiger bay differs significantly from the music on so tough and
>foxbase, but i haven't heard enough to know much more.

There are some interesting excursions into folk and even flamenco, but most
of it is still dance-based. Oh, and the US version has their xmas song with
the guy from the Charlatans that ruins everything.

Larry

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:45:45 -0400
From: "Thinking no thing will limited-self unlimit."
Subject: Re: 4AD freaks: WATCH OUT!


i scanned ur whole msg for a smiley or some form of sarcastic sign, but
        i see none.  thus, i must ask...  are u serious?  i have just bought
        an 137mhz Pentium, and now i am afraid to use it!  are u happy now?

Joherius, who lives in NYC, place where u will witness a blind man being
        yelled at "for not looking where he is walking." :)

ps, i hope i did not offend any blind person who subscribes to the list and
        reads the above.


                "People in love should not live together, since cruelty
                rides on the back of love, and love is like a thirst horse
                that rides furiously, but when it decides to stop, it dies
                because of the weight of its load, and the lack of nutrition."
                                Collage of quotes and Improvisations






On Mon, 16 Oct 1995, Chad Burkey wrote:

>
> I don't know...*I* just got the following from a friend of mine.
>
> >    Well, this supposed "hoax" just ruined my new 137Mhz Pentium.  I
> > tried to avoid danger by wearing welder's glasses while reading the
> > message, but I don't think even that was dark enough.  One thing the
> > previous message did not explain was the selection of its algorithm of
> > harm.  The latest batch of Pentiums actually have a protection mode to
> > automatically sheild nth-complexity infinite binary loops (they will,
> > however, do (n-1)th complexity).  Apparently the author of this email
> > virus anticipated this, and the virus launched a 37th-complexity finite
> > three-way loop.  Naturally, such loops cannot be made infinite, but it
> > was certainly enough to fry the processor.  Unfortunately, not before
> > the resulting local-space deformation did other damage.  To wit:
> >
> >  *  All stored phone numbers were erased from my phone.
> >  *  My mouse buttons are now reversed.
> >  *  My paper-clip holder magnet is almost useless now.
> >  *  My left speaker was fried, and my right speaker keeps
> >      playing Herb Albert's "Tiajuana Taxi" in the background
> >      (unplugging it doesn't help).
> >  *  Now I'm right-handed.
> >  *  I'm not sure how, but there's dried vermicelli stuck to my
> >      ceiling.
> >
> >     One (small) consolation.  Now I'm able to send email (like this
> > one) just by thinking about it (but I have to hold carrots in both
> > hands - go figure).
> Chad Burkey                                             Andersen Consulting
> burkey@andersen.com                Center for Strategic Technology Research
>                           I speak only for myself
>


Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 12:02:09 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD freaks: WATCH OUT!


drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.OR asks:
>i scanned ur whole msg for a smiley or some form of sarcastic sign, but
>        i see none.  thus, i must ask...  are u serious?  i have just bought
>        an 137mhz Pentium, and now i am afraid to use it!  are u happy now?

Being on the Net as we are, it can be easy to forget that irony and
sarcasm actually predate the invention of the smiley. Sometimes you just
have to roll up your sleeves and go with your intuition to tell whether
someone is being serious or not. Things like "My paper-clip holder magnet
is almost useless now" and I'm not sure how, but there's dried vermicelli
stuck to my ceiling" might have tipped you off. Extra credit to any CS
people noticing that "n-th complexity binary loop" and "37th-complexity
finite three-way loop" are gibberish.

Honestly, I think smileys serve a useful function, but it drives me crazy
the way people come to rely on them as crutches... They've become the
laugh-track of online communication.


--Jens "is humor truly dead?" Alfke


Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:09:20 -0400
From: MCINTYRE@PA.MSU.EDU
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths


My apologies for dredging up an old thread, but my e-mail box has
overflowed and it's taking a while for some things to surface.


>Hey.  I was listening to "Colours and Shapes" by Pale Saints today, when I
>realized that it was the same sort of thing the Smiths used to do:  happy
>music with depressing lyrics.  I then started to think about other
>non-smiths songs like this.  The only one that came instantly to mind was
>The Boo Radleys' "I Hang Suspended."  I thought to myself, that would make
>a really cool tape. . . depressin pop songs. . .So any others to add?

Sorry if I sound cranky but to call this "Legacy of the Smiths" as if they
originated the practice is... err, well it really upsets me. (-8  Motown
used to do that all the time: "My World Is Empty Without You Babe", "Same
Old Song" etc.  Turley Richards covered "My World Is Empty Without You
Babe" at the appropriate tempo for the words and the difference is amazing.
Of course, Turley didn't sell so that's not an easy comparison for people
to make.  So a more accessible comparison is "Help" by the Beatles.  A nice
jaunty ditty that doesn't sound like a sad song at all.  Compare to the
version on _Shades Of Deep Purple_ where it seems a wonder the singer makes
it through alive without slashing both wrists.  And I'm sure there are all
sorts of old folk songs with jaunty music and a really depressing
storyline.  It did not start with the Smiths.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
Michigan State University
mcintyre@pa.msu.edu

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:26:24 -0700
From: lushmuse (eahu597@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: the little auction


tomorrow is the last day to bid...i guess i'll end the auction around
5pm, when i get home from school...here is what the bids are as of now,
so e-mail me personally if you want to place a bid, ok?  thanks!!!!

1.alvin lives (in leeds) compilation: $25
2.cocteau twins: bluebeard 1-track promo
3.cocteau twins: summerhead 1-track promo: $5
4.cocteau twins: twinlights advance cassette

thanks again!


Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 17:29:20 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: <>


Hey fellow listers,

I have a long list of 4AD and 4AD-related CDs and Records that I'm
offering for sale and/or trade.  Most of the items are rare (including
promos, limited editions, imports, etc.), and they are all in good
condi  on.  Here is a list of most of the artists whose recordings I
am offering:

18TH DYE, ALISONS HALO, TORI AMOS, APHEX TWIN, AREA, BAILTER SPACE, FRANK
BLACK, THE BOO RADLEYS, CATHERINE WHEEL, NICK CAVE, CHAPTERHOUSE, COCTEAU
TWINS, CONTROLLED BLEEDING, CURVE, DEAD CAN DANCE, EDEN, BRIAN ENO, TH FAITH
HEALERS, FELT, LISA GERMANO, THE HAIR AND SKIN TRADING COMPANY, HALF STRING,
HEAVENLY BODIES, KRISTIN HERSH, HIS NAME IS ALIVE, HUMAN DRAMA, HUMAN HANDS,
JESUS AND MARY CHAIN, KITCHENS OF DISTINCTION, LOOMINGS, LUSH, MAGIC HOUR,
MAZZY STAR, MOONSHAKE, PETER MURPHY, NEGATIVLAND, STINA NORDENSTAM, PALE
SAINTS, THE PIXIES, POLARA, RED HOUSE PAINTERS, RUN ON, SCENIC, SLOWDIVE,
KENDRA SMITH, SPACEMEN 3, SPIRITUALIZED, STRAITJACKET FITS, SWERVEDRIVER,
TARNATION, ULTRA VIVID SCENE, THE VERVE, PAUL WELLER, THE WOLFGANG PRESS
as well as compilations featuring artists such as STARFLYER 59, TARNATION,
LEGENDARY PINK DOTS, THE GLEE CLUB, HUGO LARGO, HAROLD BUDD, DIESELHED, AND
INSIDES.

If you're interested in any of these artists, e-mail me for the complete
list of items.  This is an AUCTION, so I'm looking for the best offer for
each item.  I will consider bids in cash, trade, or a combination of the two.
My "want" list for trades is appended to the end of the list.  I will be
closing the auction at 11:00 EST on Wednesday, October 25, 1995.

*** Send e-mail to MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU if you want the complete list ***

Thanks,
Michael Garrett


Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 16:24:58 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: a little release info, to set the record straight...


Mojave3 will be released in the US Jan 16, 1996.

Scheer are currently in the studio recording their first full length lp,
tenatively scheduled for release in Feb, 1996.


I saw Ivo's daughter today... she is SOOOOO cute :)


Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 01:33:29 -0600
From: lime-green colostomy bag (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: fx techie question


goddamn '-l's...i sent this to '4ad@american.edu,' too. maybe i should turn
this machine off, eh?

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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 00:57:15 -0600
From: joroses@mail.utexas.edu (lime-green colostomy bag)
Subject: fx techie question


argh, i always mess up when i send mail to this list.

... while talking to mail.desire.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 ... User unknown
550 ... User unknown

dreampop*-L*, it's got an -l! bah.

a friend of mine lent me his chorus, flanger, and octave pedals (all boss)
and an ibanez digital delay rack unit. (and i am having *much* fun, believe
me, i thought the net drew me away from my homework, but playing guitar is
so much more satisfying.) anyway, occasionally the delay unit will crap out
on me, meaning the delay and feedback will short out in a way, usually when
i am changing the delay rate. sometimes i can just press the effect button
and it will start to delay again, other times i have to turn the unit off
and back on again to resume yummy delaying. does anyone out there have an
ibanez DMD2000? do you have any horror stories or recommendations for a
different digital delay unit? is there anything out there decently priced
that sounds even more wonderful than the amazing boss dd stompbox? when the
dood comes back from vacation i'm working out a payment deal with him for
at least the chorus and flanger (then i'll have two flangers, yummy) and i
might tack on the delay if the price is right and i get good feedback.
so...you techies out there, give me the 911 on this unit, please! :)
thanks.
.joanna.
ooh, also, another friend offered me his ibanez dd stompbox...feedback, anyone?

i'll be selling some more junk in a few days at clearance, gotta-go prices,
but i'll only post it to the list once. (jens alfke(sp?) whispers a sigh of
relief.)

tra la la...off to look at the fx layouts from whirlpool...again...

---
joroses@mail.utexas.edu
andover '94
-
ever wonder why it's 'congress' and not 'progress?' fitting, no?
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joroses@mail.utexas.edu
andover '94
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ever wonder why it's 'congress' and not 'progress?' fitting, no?
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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 20:55:01 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Scheer and Amps - what the HELL?


At Stinkweeds in AZ this weekend I also managed to hear
some of the Scheer and Amps EPs. All I can say is

???what the hell???

Has Ivo gone mad, or what? Scheer was just plain crap.
Someone else in the store said "can you say 'Helmet'?"

The Amps EP was also worthless. Lame, talentless punk.

It's stuff like this that's going to make people think twice
about buying anything on 4AD anymore. I give the guy credit
for trying to branch out, but there are limits, for chrissakes!

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html