4ad-l Mail for 10-13-1995

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Subject: 4AD VIDS/BROTHERS QUAY
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 04:44:41 +0100
From: "Hugh O'Brien" (hugh@INTERNET-EIREANN.IE)
Subject: Re: lorelei
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 21:46:34 -0700
From: "Hello... NEWMAN!" (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Air Miami tour & Amps tour
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 00:05:43 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: CW: a progression
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 01:10:08 -0400
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: TMC box..?
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 00:07:23 EDT
From: William Bill (bwilliam@FOGELSON.CSF.EDU)
Subject: Throwing Muses auction update/Do U need Slowdive?/Lorelei
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 02:07:00 -0400
From: Gil Gershman (TooPurist@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: TMC box..?
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 23:31:19 -0700
From: William Bill (bwilliam@FOGELSON.CSF.EDU)
Subject: catherine wheel vs the soundgarden
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 00:17:10 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: dedicated to warren, his ugly guitar, and his deck shoes...
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 23:57:37 -0700
From: girly loop (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: The Amps (+ Curve)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 00:07:52 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Pink Opaque & Scheer
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:24:26 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Marion sucks(was Re: catherine wheel vs the soundgarden)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:43:14 +0100
From: Guy Vandekerckhove (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Lush etc.
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:06:20 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: catherine wheel vs the soundgarden
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:34:31 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Scheer.
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:49:43 +0100
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: searching for Dif Juz.....
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 12:40:52 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD VIDS/BROTHERS QUAY
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:09:00 EST
From: "Ellens, Harm" (HEllens@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.COM.AU)
Subject: Re: B C D F
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:42:53 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Cocteau Twins on MTV's Most Wanted
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:43:05 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Marion sucks(was Re: catherine wheel vs the soundgarden)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 04:00:05 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Mojave 3 / Air Miami
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:43:02 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: CATHERINE WHEEL (sell outs)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:07:55 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Treasure slag/EoST/Mo-dive/Sprtlzd/obligatory CW slag
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:30:32 -0400
From: burning hot cola (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Anne Sexton
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:13:56 -0400
From: burning hot cola (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: a poem, by anne sexton. actual 4ad content buried insi
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:06:13 -0400
From: "Thinking no thing will limited-self unlimit."
Subject: Re: 4AD VIDS/BROTHERS QUAY
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:37:48 CDT
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: FS: 13YI $100
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 11:23:02 -0400
From: TMParade@AOL.COM
Subject: Re[2]: The Amps (+ Curve)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:06:49 CST
From: thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM
Subject: Re: Nadja [thislisty movie #2]
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:14:54 CDT
From: Steven W Hill (shill@HARPER.CC.IL.US)
Subject: doom generation track listing
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 11:23:13 -0400
From: bruce levenstein (bruceL@INTERRAMP.COM)
Subject: Re: lorelei
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:29:01 -0400
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush etc.
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 11:50:44 -0400
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Sonya Waters/Tarnation show
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:37:33 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: mojave on the radio last night
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:22:45 -0700
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: A B C D E F G H
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:23:54 MDT
From: Dave Gingerich (daveg@FRED.DEN.MMC.COM)
Subject: esp stuff/"import" vinyl
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:43:41 -0700
From: "PLOCKE.US.ORACLE.COM" (PLOCKE@US.ORACLE.COM)
Subject: Re: Lowlife
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:18:14 CDT
From: Steven W Hill (shill@HARPER.CC.IL.US)
Subject: 4AD freaks: WATCH OUT!
Date: 13/10/95
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: plans and updates on the twins..
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:03:59 +0100
From: jack huynh (jhuy@GARNET.BERKELY.EDU)
Subject: Re: mojave on the radio last night
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:44:09 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: lunafreaks
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:16:25 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Mojave(3) tape up for bid
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:34:01 -0400
From: Gil Gershman (TooPurist@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: cocteau twins on mtv europe
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:42:43 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Nadja [thislisty movie #2]
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:17:37 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD freaks: WATCH OUT!
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:13:18 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: 1996 Calendar
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 14:09:04 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD freaks: WATCH OUT!
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:36:57 -0400
From: "Francis X. Connor" (waxtrax@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD freaks: WATCH OUT!
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 14:58:52 -0400
From: rebecca fagan (rfagan@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: 4AD freaks: WATCH OUT!
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:47:12 BST
From: Richard Jay (rajay@ibm.net)
Subject: Re: Lowlife!!
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:20:53 EST
From: Marianne Hodge (HODGEM@stjohns.edu)
Subject: Re: 1996 Calendar [SF area only]
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 15:07:34 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD freaks: WATCH OUT!
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:07:59 -0400
From: "Thinking no thing will limited-self unlimit."
Subject: Re: 1996 Calendar
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 17:48:15 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 04:44:41 +0100
From: "Hugh O'Brien" (hugh@INTERNET-EIREANN.IE)
Subject: 4AD VIDS/BROTHERS QUAY


>        just a few snippets I picked which somebody may be
>        interested in:
>        4ad vids - 4ad compiliation of rare promo videos
>                   SAE: david, 35 tichborne way, rowner,
>                        gosport, hants, PO13 OBH (england)
>        brothers - Institute Benjamenta
>                   Inspired by the texts of the swiss writer
>                   Robert Walser(a schizophrenic praised by
>                   Kafka who spent the last two decades of his
>                   life in an asylum), this uncanny mix of dream
>                   myth, fairy tale, and surreal fantasia explores
>                   the labrynthine corridors of a hermetic teaching
>                   institute from the point of view of its last
>                   inmate.
>        dcd link - Peter Ulrich, percussionist with DCD released
>                   a solo single "Taqaharu's Leaving"(Corner Stone
>                   Records 12" only PTD 001) back in 1990.
>        lowlife  - Lowlife, featuring former Cocteau Twin Will
>                   Heggie, have a new lp out on Anoise Annoys entitled
>                   "Gush". Was "Ramafied" a track from them back
>                   in the 80's?
>
>        Also, got the "Mirror Pool" and was disappointed by the fact that
>        it was content to sit in the background while Tarnation's lp made
>        me sit up and listen instantly. I prefer making compilations of
>        songs to sleep to such as "Asleep" by the Smiths, "Lucy" - Nick
>        Cave, "Solid Air" - John Martyn or some tracks off the new live
>        Tindersticks lp.      Still lurking ;)

>
>
 Hugh O'Brien            hugh@internet-eireann.ie
"Music has to be sound, otherwise you are lost.Sound
goes into the inner part of the human soul"-Iannis Xenakis

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 21:46:34 -0700
From: "Hello... NEWMAN!" (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: lorelei


> As I was exiting the store, I glanced at Twinlights and its 9.99
> pricetag and thought "if only that were in the cd single section."  $1
> per minute simply is not a fair deal.  Just ask MCI.

        How about 71 cents per minute? That's actually what that is. If
the extra 29% doesn't make any difference, I'd be happy to take it. :)
        No, I'm not an accountant... just thought the oversimplification
was kind of drastic.

= "Wake up, see    \ If there's no God, why      + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists?         + dread the due changes   =
= done is done..." \  -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..."               =
=  -Ride: "Today"  /   Ontological Proof         +  -Red House Painters    =

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 00:05:43 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: Air Miami tour & Amps tour


does anyone have dates for either of these tours?
They are both currently or just about to start
tours opening for other artists (Throwing Muses
and Sonic Youth, respectively). Perhaps someone
out there has dates for these tours and/or any
headlining tours they may be doing afterward...

mike

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 01:10:08 -0400
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: CW: a progression



I've seen Catherine Wheel twice over the summer.
Both shows were excellent (one at
the small and intimate CBGBs, the other
at a the larger-yet-still small Irving Plaza).

I didn't care for "Happy Days" much either
when I first heard it but...I don't listen to much
mainstream "grunge" like Soundgarden
or whatever to even know what to compare it to...
so when comparing it to "Chrome" or "Ferment"
the tansition is clear as is the direction they
headed in. I miss songs like "Texture" (they are
playing this on the current tour now I hear)
and "Broken Head" and "Strange Fruit", but
about 3/4 of the newer songs are up there...

Okay, so the album still sucks, huh? Go see
them live with Belly and then make up your
mind. The new tunes come across so much
powerfully live (esp. "God Inside My Head"
and "Empty Head"). Then "Happy Days"
will start to click for you...it did for me.

On another note:
I finally acquired a copy of
"This Rimy River" and what a wonderful
book it is: beautifully laid out and printed
out on good stock paper. As nice as it is,
I wish that exhibition would have made it's
way here to New York....maybe next time
Vaughn Oliver has one he'll do it at
a gallery here. Still, the book reminds me
of why I miss vinyl: BIG COVER ART.

-B

=====================================================
                                        Brendon Macaraeg
                      http://www.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~brendonm
                        "Are you allgeric to the 20th Century?"
=====================================================


Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 00:07:23 EDT
From: William Bill (bwilliam@FOGELSON.CSF.EDU)
Subject: TMC box..?


    I'm just now noticing that the This Mortal Coil 1983-1991 4CD
boxed set is "dedicated to Warren DeFever (of hnia)." Can anyone tell
me why?
    brian
    bwilliam@fogelson.csf.ed

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 02:07:00 -0400
From: Gil Gershman (TooPurist@AOL.COM)
Subject: Throwing Muses auction update/Do U need Slowdive?/Lorelei


Hi again

There hasn't been too much list interest (silly me... as if anyone on 4AD-L
doesn't already have these!), but I thought I'd post this... just for the
curious.

Again, the two cds are:

THROWING MUSES - s/t  - bid now @ $14
THROWING MUSES - House Tornado/The Fat Skier - bid now @ $10

Both are 4AD uk imports and in excellent condition.
If you're interested in either (or both), please let me know before Midnight
on Monday.

Also, is anyone looking for the first two Slowdive CD singles? I can get them
- but I need to know if there is interest first. . .

Finally, someone asked about the Lorelei album: It's brilliant - everything
you'd expect from this amazing group. It's not easy to describe, either -
throwing together influences from all over the map: dub, noise, pop,
whimsy... it's all in there; and it's one of the best things I've heard all
year. Still doesn't beat "A Stable Reference"... but what could? :)

Thanks for your patience, time, and space

Gil
... who wonders if any generous soul with a turntable-to-tapedeck setup has
that rare Moonshake 7" (on Clawfist UK) with the Eartha Kitt covers...


Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 23:31:19 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: TMC box..?


From: William Bill (bwilliam@FOGELSON.CSF.EDU) > I'm just now noticing that the This Mortal Coil 1983-1991 4CD >boxed set is "dedicated to Warren DeFever (of hnia)." Can anyone tell >me why? I remember reading, I think in Warren's _Dewdrops_ interview, that it was a joke Ivo played on Warren to make people think he had died or something. Warren said he had to think of something to get Ivo back. -n

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 00:17:10 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: catherine wheel vs the soundgarden


On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, Brendon Macaraeg wrote:

> I didn't care for "Happy Days" much either
> when I first heard it but...I don't listen to much
> mainstream "grunge" like Soundgarden
> or whatever to even know what to compare it to...

Soundgarden are actually much better than the Catherine Wheel or any
other grunge band for that matter. I don't consider them grunge really;
they are just a rock band. If you haven't given them a chance maybe you
should. Superunknown is arguably as good as Chrome or better. (I dare
say neither band will ever beat Ferment.)

I forgot to say: Marion suck.

 e

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 23:57:37 -0700
From: girly loop (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: dedicated to warren, his ugly guitar, and his deck shoes...


> >    I'm just now noticing that the This Mortal Coil 1983-1991 4CD
> >boxed set is "dedicated to Warren DeFever (of hnia)." Can anyone tell
> >me why?
>
> I remember reading, I think in Warren's _Dewdrops_ interview, that it was a
> joke Ivo played on Warren to make people think he had died or something.
> Warren said he had to think of something to get Ivo back.

  researching the back of my mind, i remember my pal droo saying that
  ivo apparently loves and admires our dear li'l defever. thinks he's
  a prodigy or sumptin' extra special koolio like that. i think warren
  spoke with ivo on what to include in the box, ie. NOT the 16 days single.
  personally, i think everything should be dedicated to warren...


  dedicating cough syrup and Everlasting Gobstoppers,
  *k*


  ...i have hit the lowest of lows, and have witnessed bad family film
  after bad family film these last few days. it's disgusting and repulsive
  and if another movie like Little Giants comes out, i'm going to hit rock
  bottom and commit cinema suicide...no more movies PG-13 or "softer"...

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 00:07:52 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: The Amps (+ Curve)


On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Renee Castro wrote:

> I've heard the whole album and in my opinion it is the best ablum of it's
> kind put out all year. Apart from the fact that the singer is the same,  it
> didn't remind me of The Breeders at all. I had heard that Ivo's main reason
> for loving it so much was in fact the rawness of it all and not the over
> production.  I bet it's going to be one of those albums that because it does
> go againt the norm of what everybody is used to, that everybody will hate it.
> I really hope a handful of people will be able to put aside any expectations
> of past work and listen to it like something new. It really is great.

I have to partially agree with this based on the single, which I heard
today. The third track is the awful demo that showed up on the 4ad
sampler, but the second is pretty fab and the first song on the disc
totally rocks and is way fun. Not the punk trash I had been expecting. As
soon as I can find a copy of the disc I will buy it; this one was
unfortunately spoken for.

In a parallel development, it turns out that the movie Showgirls really
isn't all that awful. It was kind of okay-mediocre. I don't see what all
the fuss has been about. Oh hey! This is actually kind of ontopic: Did I
heard a song by Curve playing at some point? I could have sworn it was
them but didn't recognize the song. Anyone know where it's from? The
covetted second single from...uh...shit...what in hell did I do with my
Curve cds? I wonder how long those have been missing for...

 e


Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:24:26 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Pink Opaque & Scheer


Andrew Norman writes:
>As Jens said, their first US release - the main reason it was released
>in the UK was that people were paying ridiculous amounts for imports
>because of "Millimillenary" and the remix - a curious transatlantic
>reversal of the usual scheme of things.

Didn't the same thing happen with "Gala"?

>Mind you, Lush's first
>release was a "nice try, let's see how they progress" thing

Wait, you mean "Scar"? The EP that opened my eyes to the whole shoegazer
thing (MBV's "Glider" EP helped too)? I think Scar is righteous stuff,
far better than anything they've released since "Sweetness and Light"
(except maybe the original version of "Starlust".)

--Jens


Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:43:14 +0100
From: Guy Vandekerckhove (Guy.Vandekerckhove@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Marion sucks(was Re: catherine wheel vs the soundgarden)


On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, einexile the meek wrote:

> I forgot to say: Marion suck.
>
>  e
>
Didn't we all know that?
I mean:Marion try to do this "happy version of Joy Division"
and if there are two things nobody can combine than those are
happyness and Joy Division.
Let's just say it sucks.


guy

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:06:20 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Lush etc.


MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU wrote:
 >
 > does anyone know if the UK Tipp City ep is 12" only? that's all
 > they have at my local import shop. Is it also on cd, I hope?

Yes, it's also on CD.  I think it's the shortest CD I own - I can't
think of any others less than six minutes long.  Only released on 12"
and CD, no 7" (which is odd, because I would have thought 7" was the
natural home of the lo-fi punk rock single).  I still think it stinks,
by the way.  The Amps album will probably be the first Pixies-related
release I won't buy.

Jens Alfke  wrote:
 >
 > Andrew Norman writes:
 >
 > > Mind you, Lush's first release was a "nice try, let's see how
 > > they progress" thing
 >
 > Wait, you mean "Scar"? The EP that opened my eyes to the whole
 > shoegazer thing (MBV's "Glider" EP helped too)? I think Scar is
 > righteous stuff, far better than anything they've released since
 > "Sweetness and Light" (except maybe the original version of
 > "Starlust".)

Well, I thought "Scar" had some really rotten songs on it - I can't
remember which, but a couple of Miki's struck me as sub-Siouxie stuff.
Perhaps it just suffered from the fact that I bought the Pale Saints'
"Barging..." at the same time, and that EP is the best thing they ever
did.  "Sight of You" makes most other things sound feeble, let alone
Lush's first efforts.  I think "Mad Love" showed a dramatic improvement
in quality, though.  "Scar" is miles better than the Scheer EP, I was
trying to make the point that not all debut records by 4AD bands showed
instant greatness.  (I know that "Schism" isn't Scheer's first
recording, which makes it all the more irritating that it is marred by
poor heavy metal guitar - has anyone heard their pre-4AD releases?)

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 13/10/95
On my walkman this morning : Pulp - Intro
Come to the window, sweet is the night-air!


Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:34:31 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: catherine wheel vs the soundgarden


> I forgot to say: Marion suck.
>
>  e
>

I'll second that.


Richard




Richard Clemens, Centre Officer
Department of Construction & Surveying
University College Salford, Salford M6 6PU, UK

"Only dead fish swim with the stream" The Ex

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:49:43 +0100
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Scheer.


I don't know if its the same band but I've seen an album by Sheer on
Creation. There only seems to be about six songs on it so it seems to be
a bit of gamble to purchase.

'H'y

'H' Cambridge

Stockholm Environment Institute at York
University of York, York, Uk.
Tel +44 1904 432992
Fax +44 1904 432898


Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 12:40:52 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: searching for Dif Juz.....


> >suprisingly, 'echo wreck' (i only heared this on "Lonley is an eysore"CD)
> >can be heared on this cd.

> No, the track on LIAE was "Alchemy", which isn't available anywhere else.

No, No. You're both wrong. It's "No Motion". :) And yes, it isn't
available anywhere else.

> All Dif Juz stuff should still be in print from 4AD, except their first
> self-released cassette(s) which were always damn near impossible to find.

The two EPs Huremics and Vibrating Air are definitely out of print,
as is their "Time Clock Turn Back" cassette. There are also two
other tracks, one each on two other compilation cassettes, one being
a demo version of "Echo Wreck". Also out of print is the album
Who Says So. Add the possibly still-in-print Out Of The Trees,
and Extractions, and this sums up the total output of Dif Juz.

> This has been discussed on the list before and to my knowlege nobody had
> the cassettes or knew any way to get ahold of them by fair means or foul.

I have all of the above, actually (except for one of the comp tracks)
and would be glad to make copies for a limited number of people,
but at present I have absolutely no way to copy tapes. :(

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:09:00 EST
From: "Ellens, Harm" (HEllens@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.COM.AU)
Subject: Re: 4AD VIDS/BROTHERS QUAY


>>        songs to sleep to such as "Asleep" by the Smiths, "Lucy" - Nick
>>        Cave, "Solid Air" - John Martyn or some tracks off the new live
>>        Tindersticks lp.      Still lurking ;)

Tindersticks! What is people's opinion on them? I was tempted to buy the CD
yesterday but bought the Mirror Pool instead. Good choice?

Cheers,

H.
hellens@cvomtelc.telecom.com.au

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:42:53 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: B C D F


>And are the albums really out? (Ams/Scheer)

No, just the ep's

>Who is Vic Chestnut...

Vic is a great songwriter, he did a tour with Kristin Hersh last year (as
the supporting act) and Michael Stipe (R.E.M.) thinks he's the best
songwriter in the world. He lives in the same place as the boys from R.E.M.
He released a couple of albums yet.

>...and is the song worth the price of the album?

I don't know, I'm not going to buy it, cause you have to listen to World
Party, J.J. Cale, Aimee Mann, The Cranberries, Lloyd Cole and others. On
the volume one of this series Brendan Perry did a song...

>Sweet Ride is far and away my favorite Belly song.

Yes indeed, on this version it's only Tanya and a guitar but go to a record
shop and listen first.

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:43:05 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Cocteau Twins on MTV's Most Wanted


Yesterday the Cocteau Twins (all four of them) played live on MTV's Most Wanted.
I saw them performing two songs, I didn't watch the whole show so I don't
know if they played a third one...

1. Half-Gifts
2. Golden-Vein

I haven't heard their last e.p.('s) yet so I can't compare them with the
original versions.

Ray Cokes (the guy who is presenting the show) said about the Cocteau Twins
"this is the music that goes deep down into your soul and makes you think"
and Liz said (laughing) he was a FOOL.



Emiel Efdee

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Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 04:00:05 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Marion sucks(was Re: catherine wheel vs the soundgarden)


On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, Guy Vandekerckhove wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, einexile the meek wrote:
>
> > I forgot to say: Marion suck.

> Didn't we all know that?

No. I didn't. And curse you for not sharing! I liked the song that was
free on the tape that came with Melody Maker about three months ago. I
thought that song rocked. :(

> I mean:Marion try to do this "happy version of Joy Division"
> and if there are two things nobody can combine than those are
> happyness and Joy Division.

My friend, you need to listen to some New Order. :)
(Actually, nobody does.)

> Let's just say it sucks.

I noticed today that they actually don't sound like a happy Joy Division
so much as a cross between Queen and Strange Boutique. There's a high
concept idea I was sure wasn't going to get proper consideration.

 e

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:43:02 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Mojave 3 / Air Miami


I recieved a copy of Mojave 3 'ask me tomorrow' and Air Miami 'fuck you,
tiger.' in my mailbox (the real one) this morning! (the people at 4AD Mail
Order are quick)


Mojave 3 'ask me tomorrow' (CAD 5013)
1. love songs on the radio
2. sarah
3. tomorrow's taken
4. candle song 3
5. you're beautiful
6. where is the love
7. after all
8. pictures
9. mercy

total time: 41:13

I've only listened to it once and I don't know that to think of it (yet) I
like 'mercy'.
It's soft, slow, mosttimes a 'he' sings and sometimes a 'she' (or both)
I think you can put children to sleep with this album...
Leonard Cohen??

Air Miami 'fuck you, tiger.' (BAD 5014/TEENBEAT 187)
1. i hate milk (re-mix)
2. warm miami way
3. afternoon train (remix #3)
4. see-through plastic

total time: 9:03


I like the remixed 'i hate milk' version
You should get children out of bed with this e.p.



Emiel Efdee

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:07:55 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: CATHERINE WHEEL (sell outs)


On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, redacted wrote:

>         There's two words for a band that puts out incredible music, gains
> popularity then makes an album with a RUSHesque cover and plenty of boring
> grunge pop songs........SELL OUT. I can't believe I bought the album.
>

Ouch... geez, I just listened to this album all the way through for the
first time today and I really loved it.  There are some really powerful
songs on Happy Days... including Shocking and Kill My Soul, not to
mention Eat My Dust You Insensitive F***.  I don't know how much of a
sell out you can call Catherine Wheel since Waydown enjoyed moderate
success and Judy Staring at the Sun was kind of disappointing in that it
wasn't more successful.  If you think about it, the most popular
Catherine Wheel song is probably Black Metallic, and that was their first
single ever.  So perhaps they were sell outs from the very beginning?

If you can't believe you bought the album, I bet you can believe that you
could easily go and sell it and buy something that's less of a
qoute-unquote "mainstream sell out" album.  John Tesh's latest perhaps?
Or maybe something from Barkmarket?

*sweet smile*

Ivo

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:30:32 -0400
From: burning hot cola (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Treasure slag/EoST/Mo-dive/Sprtlzd/obligatory CW slag


>This was during the period when he
>would regularly slag off "Treasure", their most recent album and
>most people's favourite, so I'd take those comments with a pinch of
>salt.

He *still* slags it off, but with every new interview he seems to be a tiny
bit more charitably disposed towards it, saying something like, "It's not as
bad as I remember it, but it's still pretty dodgy." They do play
"Aikea-Guinea" live once in a while now, so he must find it at least
tolerable. It's not an awful album, but the drum machine sound really sucks.

Oh, and I thought of a way to get around the whole compilation vs. album
This allows people to suggest either, or even EPs or singles if so inclined.
It's just an idea...

>The Ecstacy of Saint Theresa. Are they still around? What are they doing?

I think after Irna left, they were either searching for or had found a new
singer, but there's been no word of an album

>Today's NME gives the thumbs up to the Amps single (ha!), and says that
>Mojave Drei have their new album out next Monday.

Watch them either slag the shit out of it or ignore it entirely - they're so
predictable these days.

>>track very reminiscent of Julee Cruise/Angelo Badalamenti

But with the vocals and lyrics not as twee, I hope

>"Frome (sic) the ashes of Slowdive.  Sounding not unlike the
>Breeders."
>What the hell?  Have you people been lying to me or what?

Yes. Either that, or the person who wrote the description was thinking of
some other Breeders...

>If i remember
>correctly, it sounded like slowdive was going to do the whole soundtrack (!)
>for "elephand & mouse" sometime late this year

They probably already have...however, this seems like it was just a very
small budget film student kind of thing and so the film will probably not
get a very wide release and the album will probably be very hard to find
(and which label would it be on?)

>walking with jesus :):):):):):) hopefully, at the show this weekend!!!

smatterafact, it was the first song at the show I went to - big noise
ending, then suddenly into the next song, v cool

>There's two words for a band that puts out incredible music, gains
>popularity then makes an album with a RUSHesque cover

Yes, it's all part of Rob Dickinson's new "I scream, I'm insane, just plumb
loco - no, really I am...hey, come back here, I was talking to you" image.
Plus awful typography. Double album, clear vinyl, song with "fuck" in the
title, Tanya Donelly - gimmicks, all of them.

Is it me, or was the flight attendant in the video for "Waydown" the same
woman who played the mother on _All-American Girl_?

>Emiel Efdee 'If it doesn't fit, you must acquit'

quoth Johnnie Cochran, putting on the skicap, at which OJ blurted, "Hey,
careful - that's my lucky stabbing hat!"

Larry

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:13:56 -0400
From: burning hot cola (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Anne Sexton


Jens quotes
>Kelli quotes Anne Sexton:
>>  The horizon bleeds
>>  and sucks its thumb.

[snip]
>--Jens (who enjoyed the poem but still things Ted Hughes is the tops)
and who craftily excised the erroneous apostrophe from Kelli's original
quote, without saying anything...

Jens, defending Frank against Euthelene
>Last I heard, the Netherlands were not part of the United Kingdom, so
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>your unprovoked flame against  is misguided.

That reminds me of what a US immigration officer once said to my dad, who
had handed over his passport for inspection: "Kingdom of the Netherlands,
huh? Is that a part of the *United* Kingdom?"

So the assumption is (scarily) more common than you'd think...

Larry


Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:06:13 -0400
From: "Thinking no thing will limited-self unlimit."
Subject: Re: a poem, by anne sexton. actual 4ad content buried insi


that line is from a song in "filigree and shadow", performed by alan curtis
        and mark cox.
back to lurking...

Joherius

                "People in love should not live together, since cruelty
                rides on the back of love, and love is like a thirst horse
                that rides furiously, but when it decides to stop, it dies
                because of the weight of its load, and the lack of nutrition."
                                Collage of quotes and Improvisations






On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Jens Alfke wrote:

> Kelli quotes Anne Sexton:
> >  The horizon bleeds
> >  and sucks its thumb.
>
> I recognize this from some 4AD thing, but what exactly? Don't leave us in
> suspense!
>
> --Jens (who enjoyed the poem but still things Ted Hughes is the tops)
>


Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:37:48 CDT
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD VIDS/BROTHERS QUAY

              Harm" at Oct 13, 95 6:09 pm

> >>        Cave, "Solid Air" - John Martyn or some tracks off the new live
> >>        Tindersticks lp.      Still lurking ;)
>
> Tindersticks! What is people's opinion on them? I was tempted to buy the CD
> yesterday but bought the Mirror Pool instead. Good choice?

The one with the Spanish dancer on the cover, their debut I believe,
I owned that one for a week or two.  IMHO dull dull dull dull



kent
kjv@mti.cdc.com


Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 11:23:02 -0400
From: TMParade@AOL.COM
Subject: FS: 13YI $100


Contact vinylink@ari.net for details.

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:06:49 CST
From: thad.engeling@CCQM.NATINST.COM
Subject: Re[2]: The Amps (+ Curve)


> In a parallel development, it turns out that the movie Showgirls really
> ...
> Oh hey! This is actually kind of ontopic: Did I
> heard a song by Curve playing at some point? I could have sworn it was

That is a new cong by Scylla which is Toni Haliday's new band.
I believe the song is called "Helen's Face" (sp?) and it is
available on the Showgirls soundtrack. I'm holding out for the
rumored album.

later on,
Thad
"This isn't death, this is just a textural event"

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:14:54 CDT
From: Steven W Hill (shill@HARPER.CC.IL.US)
Subject: Re: Nadja [thislisty movie #2]

              Pietrusko" at Oct 12, 95 6:44 pm

I saw NADJA a month or two ago, and it's easily the worst movie I've seen
in a long time. There were scant few moments where I believed the movie
was trying to get better, but the awful acting, the even more awful
dialogue, and just *everything* built up to the point where I lost hope.
Even much of the humor (what there was of it) was contrived.
-shill (sorry Jens!)

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Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 11:23:13 -0400
From: bruce levenstein (bruceL@INTERRAMP.COM)
Subject: doom generation track listing


here is a partial track listing for the sdtk..

cocteau twins - summerblink
curve - on the wheel
twp - christianity (a. sherwood mix)
lush - undertow (mix)
slowdive - blue skied 'an clear

as you can see, nothing a serious collector doesn't have.

-bruce

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 | bruce levenstein     brucel@interramp.com |
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Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:29:01 -0400
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: lorelei


Hey Aaron!
Just thoght I'd throw this atcha:
Not that this is a bad thing, but Lorelei's sound has kinda changed.
I saw em' play a month ago, and they kinda sounded like Moonshake!
I never liked their previous shoegazin' attempts, so I never bought their
records or cds. However, I'm real curious to hear the new one.
Maybe it won't be a departure, but I thought I'd warn ya that it might be!
Let's hope that it is.....

 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 ''J''O''H''N'''''''R''I''C''K''M''A''N''''''''''''''''''''''''
                                       jknee@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Aaron Thorne wrote:

> Has anyone heard the new Lorelei album yet?  I believe it's out now and
> I plan on buying it next time I have the money.  Unless they have totally
> changed directions musically, this should be something to be excited about.

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 11:50:44 -0400
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush etc.


I was just wondering--

who out there thinks the earliest lush stuff is the best stuff out there?
the first thing i ever heard was "Thoughtforms" off of Scar and i was
immediately entranced...nothing else can be better.  Scar is eternally
going to be memorable in that sense...i do adore Mad Love as well, but
it's kind of like Mad Love has make-up on to be pretty, but Scar is
just naturally beautiful...

For Love ep actually ranks up with these eps too, in my book.

lorraine


Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:37:33 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Sonya Waters/Tarnation show


Sonya Waters (Orange) and Tarnation are playing a show at Hotel Utah,
500 4th and Bryant in San Francisco on Saturday, October 14th.
$5.00 Show starts at 9:00.


|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:22:45 -0700
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: mojave on the radio last night


ok, mojave3 were on the radio last night doing acoustic things. for this
session the band were rachel, neil and ian (all ex-slowdive) with poppy
on the piano.

three tracks:
where is the love
candle song
oh, sister (bob dylan cover)
(they also came back and jammed with radcliffe and his sidekick, the boy
lard on a comedy version of another 'rod' dylan tune, 'layby lady,
layby')

all were superb, pitched around the palace / tindersticks / mazzy star /
red house painters kind of thing but with both rachel and neil singing
and otherwise very bare.

couple of things from the talking between numbers:
the band said the name change was largely the result of fancying a change
after being "dumped by creation, unceremoniously".

neil now lives in cornwall, largely for the surfing.

first date as mojave3 will be in mexico on november 2nd followed by a
london date around november the 20th, nothing else planned.

andyx
(a.dean@uk22p.bull.co.uk)
time is an ocean but it ends at the shore. you may not see me tomorrow.

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:23:54 MDT
From: Dave Gingerich (daveg@FRED.DEN.MMC.COM)
Subject: Re: A B C D E F G H

              12, 95 10:20 am

> They broke up, sadly. The former rhythm section has released a few things
> under the name O-Rang (it sounds a wee bit like Talk Talk but I didn't
> find it too interesting. There's a track on the excellent "Isolationism"
> comp.) I don't know what Mark Hollis or Tim Friese-Green are doing.
> Anyone else know?
>
> --Jens

  I've seen Tim Friese-Green listed as a producer for several groups/CDs
although I don't know that I've seen him listed on anything within the
last year.
--
Dave Gingerich
daveg@fred.den.mmc.com

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:43:41 -0700
From: "PLOCKE.US.ORACLE.COM" (PLOCKE@US.ORACLE.COM)
Subject: esp stuff/"import" vinyl


>> they also had the import 10" vinyl, which i think has been
>> mentioned here.

> Actually, the 10" is very domestic,

whoops, my mistake!  i didn't look at it that closely, and
i thought i'd heard it described on this list as an import.

so just cross out the word "import" in the original post,
and substitute "indie" :)

> unless you happen to consider California
> and Texas as being two separate, sovereign nations

well, having lived in both, i think one might be able to
make an argument that they _are_...


--phil with no turntable :(

btw, i quite enjoyed "esp summer", but "esp beetles" is a
bit on the experimental side for my tastes.

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:18:14 CDT
From: Steven W Hill (shill@HARPER.CC.IL.US)
Subject: Re: Lowlife

              O'Brien" at Oct 13, 95 4:41 am

>         lowlife  - Lowlife, featuring former Cocteau Twin Will
>                    Heggie, have a new lp out on Anoise Annoys entitled
>                    "Gush". Was "Ramafied" a track from them back
>                    in the 80's?

Yes, it was. I had been wondering if there would ever be anything new
from Lowlife!
-shill

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Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:23:07 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: 4AD freaks: WATCH OUT!


Dear 4AD freaks,

I recieved the following message from a good and caring friend:

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Date: 13/10/95 > >Subject: Fwd: A moment of seriousness > > > > > > > >Forwarded Message>>>>>> > >There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. > >If you receive an e-mail message with the subject line "Good Times", DO NOT > >read the message, DELETE it immediately. Please read the messages below. > > Some miscreant is sending e-mail under the title "good times" nation-wide. > > If you get anything like this, DON'T DOWN LOAD THE FILE! It has a virus > >that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on it. Please be > >careful and forward this mail to anyone you care about--I have. > > > >--- end forwarded text > > -------------------------------------- So be carefull... Please don't try to be funny and send a message with "good times" in the subject! Emiel Efdee ============================ rotterdam, the netherlands ============================ efdee@luna.nl ============================ http://www.luna.nl/~efdee ============================

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:03:59 +0100
From: jack huynh (jhuy@GARNET.BERKELY.EDU)
Subject: plans and updates on the twins..


Hi everyone,

I just want to share some news and a wonderful experience concerning the
cocteau twins. News first for people not interested in the fan fantasy
story. I am sure many of you have noticed that i haven't been updating the
site as i should be. But I am currently working with the cocteau twins to
redesign the entire site with more pictures, sound clips (fruitopa ad!),
movie clips and etc. With a very slow internet connection in the office, I
have doing everything off line. So, we are hoping to release the new web
site in conjunction with a new domain new (hopefully www.cocteau.com). Once
we move over capitol record's server, i will have a better idea when the
release date will be. Of course, it will be before the release of the new lp
(which is quite wonderful by the way and no where near in the vien of the
twinlights  and otherness ep - to be released on oct 23 in uk).  As for the
cu-seeme internet broadcast, the date for that is still unavailable because
the record label is a little slow. Since a live internet chat session isn't
too difficult to set up, we are onlt waiting for Wired magazine to
coordinate a publicity push with us. By working with Wired, we are hoping to
get a nice article in there near the release date of the new album. Finally,
the twins did receive a copy of Bryan and Carolyn Spindell's fanzine
"sunburst and snowblind" and is discussing plans to fully support a fanclub.
I am not sure how many people have seen the zine, but the twins would love
some feedback concerning the quality of a fanzine if they are to shell out
some monies for the club. My own impression, is that the fanzine should
concentrate on the quality side of the zine more than the quantity of
materials about the cocteaus. Since the web site exists for reference
information and latest news, the zine would be a better complement if it is
well done (something people would be proud to show of). Well, that's just my
personal take but the twins are interested in what other fans think.

It's rather unfortunate that the people from the US couldn't see the live
acoustic session on tv. From the twins perspective, it was one of their best
live television performance. From a fan perspective it was simply magical to
see them rehearse and perform in the context of live television. Although
Liz was nervous as hell, she really shined last night. I was afraid she was
going to blech during the performance because she had been drinking before
the gig! When they first made their entrance into the live set, Simon was
quite unaware that his gestures were broadcasted live! Anyway, i am still
rather dumbfounded by my luck to be working with the twins and lack of sleep
that i can't think clearly right now.


So, before i sign off, I just wanted to add another tidbit of news. The
twins are trying to get their promotional videos made into "cinema format"
film, so that it can be shown at film festivals, etc. Since it is such an
exceptionally beautiful video, they really do believe it should made
available to a wider audience. So, if you know of any one that can help,
please email me or the twins! thanks.

cheers

jack
jack b huynh 


Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:44:09 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: mojave on the radio last night


>ok, mojave3 were on the radio last night doing acoustic things. for this
>session the band were rachel, neil and ian (all ex-slowdive) with poppy
>on the piano.
>
>three tracks:
>where is the love
>candle song
>oh, sister (bob dylan cover)
>(they also came back and jammed with radcliffe and his sidekick, the boy
>lard on a comedy version of another 'rod' dylan tune, 'layby lady,
>layby')

you mean they didn't end with souvlaki space station?  :)

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:16:25 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: lunafreaks


for you lunafreaks out there, there is a bonnie and clyde cd single and
parasol mail order has it (unless i got the last one, that is).  i don't
have their phone# with me, but it's in the faq, i think.  who knows, maybe
another listie will post it.  if you can't find the number, drop me a
message, and i'll send it out from home.  also on the little flyer i got
this week:

the new boo radleys ep
the new flying saucer attack ep, with the land beyond the sun tacked on as
bonus tracks on the cd version (what???!!! fsa release a cd single --
sellouts! :)

main ligature remixes cd

and more

just thought i'd say something,

eric

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:34:01 -0400
From: Gil Gershman (TooPurist@AOL.COM)
Subject: Mojave(3) tape up for bid


Hello

I can't believe nobody has done this yet...

Just heard "Ask Me Tomorrow".
Coming after the shatteringly brilliant "Pygmalion", it's one of the most
disappointing things I've ever come across. Then again, I'm not into the
weepy folk n' strings thing - especially not when Slowdive proved themselves
capable of so much more. Okay, there's more Rachel here - which is a GOOD
thing. But who cares, when the music is so uninspiring?!
This, folks, is truly slumming...

Well, if anyone wants it, I'll put it up on the block:

MOJAVE (no "3" - must be a collectors' item...) - ASK ME TOMORROW
(all orange, with titles printed on front, and 4AD logo... #8533...4AD US
address)

Side One:Love Songs on the Radio(5:47) - Sarah (3:44) - Tomorrow's Taken

Side Two:You're Beautiful(3:04) - Where is the Love(4:35) - After All(3:30) -

E-mail me privately - no need to clutter up the list.
Thanks

Gil


Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:42:43 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: cocteau twins on mtv europe


MTV (US) has played Cocteau Twins before, especially when it's around
the release of a new album. In fact, Robin appeared on MTV's 120 Minutes
as a guest with Lewis Largent (idiot extraordinaire) when Four-Calendar
Cafe was released.  What a piss-poor interviewer he is...Robin was
NOTICEABLY _NOT_ into it and more than a little nervous, and Largent's
stupid questions and comments didn't help.  The whole thing was basically
a disaster, with Robin laying on more than a little attitude (which I'm
not entirely sure that Mr Largent noticed).  SO, in light of that un-
pleasant experience, I dunno if MTV (US) would have them on again as
guests, but I wouldn't doubt they'd play their videos every now and
then.  I'm still wondering whether MTV will play the new video for
"Rilkean Heart"/"Half-Gifts". Clocking in at just under 10 minutes, they
may not want to overwhelm all their Toadies/Presidents of the USA/Rancid/
Pearl Jam/Hole fans by occupying that much air time with something just
a _LITTLE_ different and possibly more substantial.  That's just my
very biased opinion.

Mike
iceblink@delphi.com

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:17:37 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Nadja [thislisty movie #2]


Steve Hill writes:
>I saw NADJA a month or two ago, and it's easily the worst movie I've seen
>in a long time.

You clearly were not forced (as I was) to sit through "Batman Forever". :)

I have to say that I personally am willing to forgive
less-than-professional acting in a film that dares to take chances and
show me things I wouldn't get in a market-researched major release. I
speak of "Go Fish" and "Clerks", particularly...

are still pretty much together, but without Seana ... do they have a
similar sound? When's a new album going to be out?

--Jens

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:13:18 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD freaks: WATCH OUT!


What, again???

The "good times" virus thing is a hoax. It's been floating around for at
least two years. I thought everyone in the world had already seen it and
it had died a deserving death, but I guess not :(

(It's impossible for e-mail to run any code on your machine, unless you
download an enclosed application and run it. The only exception is if you
have a direct account on a Unix machine and the system configuration has
not closed the various well-known sendmail security holes.)

like "All Good Things" and "I Feel Nothing At All", and it's still pretty
noisy. What exactly did people find to dislike about it?

--Jens

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 14:09:04 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: 1996 Calendar


Well, I'd really like to get one of these, but I have no idea where they
would be sold.  Does anyone have any ideas of stores in the San
Francisco/Bay area where I could pick one up when they come out?

Thanks,
Jake

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:36:57 -0400
From: "Francis X. Connor" (waxtrax@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD freaks: WATCH OUT!


The "good times" virus is a well-documented hoax.  Don't worry about it.



On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, Emiel Efdee wrote:

> Dear 4AD freaks,
>
> I recieved the following message from a good and caring friend:
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> Mail*Link(r) Remote           FWD>>RE> Fwd: A moment of seriousness
> DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER
> DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER
>
> --------------------------------------
> Date: 13/10/95
>
> > >Subject: Fwd: A moment of seriousness
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >Forwarded Message>>>>>>
>  > >There is a computer virus that is being sent  across the Internet.
>  > >If you receive an e-mail message with the subject  line "Good Times", DO N
T
>  > >read the message, DELETE  it immediately.  Please read the messages below.
>  > > Some miscreant is sending e-mail under the title "good times" nation-wide

>  > > If you get anything  like this, DON'T DOWN LOAD THE FILE!  It has a virus
>  > >that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on it.  Please be
>  > >careful and forward this mail to anyone you care about--I have.
>  > >
>  > >--- end forwarded text
>  > >
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> So be carefull...
>
> Please don't try to be funny and send a message with "good times" in the
> subject!
>
>
>
>
>  Emiel Efdee
>
> ============================
>  rotterdam, the netherlands
> ============================
>  efdee@luna.nl
> ============================
>  http://www.luna.nl/~efdee
> ============================
>

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 14:58:52 -0400
From: rebecca fagan (rfagan@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: 4AD freaks: WATCH OUT!


oh no. not THIS again!

>Dear 4AD freaks,
>
>I recieved the following message from a good and caring friend:
>
>--------------------------------------
>
>Mail*Link(r) Remote           FWD>>RE> Fwd: A moment of seriousness
>DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER
>DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER
>
>--------------------------------------
>
>> >Subject: Fwd: A moment of seriousness
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Forwarded Message>>>>>>
> > >There is a computer virus that is being sent  across the Internet.
> > >If you receive an e-mail message with the subject  line "Good Times",
>DO NOT
> > >read the message, DELETE  it immediately.  Please read the messages below.
> > > Some miscreant is sending e-mail under the title "good times" nation-wide.
> > > If you get anything  like this, DON'T DOWN LOAD THE FILE!  It has a virus
> > >that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on it.  Please be
> > >careful and forward this mail to anyone you care about--I have.
> > >
> > >--- end forwarded text
> > >
>
>--------------------------------------
>
>So be carefull...
>
>Please don't try to be funny and send a message with "good times" in the
>subject!
>
>
>
>
> Emiel Efdee
>
>============================
> rotterdam, the netherlands
>============================
> efdee@luna.nl
>============================
> http://www.luna.nl/~efdee
>============================

rebecca fagan
rfagan@tiac.net (try this one first)
fagan@pja-net.com


Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:47:12 BST
From: Richard Jay (rajay@ibm.net)
Subject: Re: 4AD freaks: WATCH OUT!


On Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:23:07 +0200  efdee@luna.nl wrote:

>Dear 4AD freaks,
>
>I recieved the following message from a good and caring friend:
>
>--------------------------------------
>
>Mail*Link(r) Remote           FWD>>RE> Fwd: A moment of seriousness
>DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER
>DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER DANGER
>
>--------------------------------------
>
>> >Subject: Fwd: A moment of seriousness
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Forwarded Message>>>>>>
> > >There is a computer virus that is being sent  across the Internet.
> > >If you receive an e-mail message with the subject  line "Good Times", DO NO

> > >read the message, DELETE  it immediately.  Please read the messages below.
> > > Some miscreant is sending e-mail under the title "good times" nation-wide.
> > > If you get anything  like this, DON'T DOWN LOAD THE FILE!  It has a virus
> > >that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on it.  Please be
> > >careful and forward this mail to anyone you care about--I have.

This is a VERY VERY VERY old hoax.  Anyway, as I'm sure most people will realise
 simply reading an ASCII message via your mailreader cannot trash your hard driv
.


Richard Jay
London, England

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:20:53 EST
From: Marianne Hodge (HODGEM@stjohns.edu)
Subject: Re: Lowlife!!


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Gretings Hugh, Steve, list members......

I was deeply elated and somewhat shocked to read info on one of my fav b
bands, for I have found it so very difficult to obtain info on them.
The last album I have is "San Artorium", and I just ordered
"Lovehatefear" from CD Europe, because I have never seen it before.
What label is this album on???  I also have From  a Scream to a Whisper
and Godhead, both put out on Nightshift, but heard, after trying to
call them in Scotland, that they had closed.  Where is Anoise Annoys?
What else is on this label????

My record shopping always includes a search for Lowlife.  I went up
to Toronto in August and found From a Scream to a Whisper on vinyl,
but no material past 1991, when San Artorium was put out.

Sincerest regards..........................

Marianne Hodge
hodgem@sjumusic.stjohns.edu
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


>>         lowlife  - Lowlife, featuring former Cocteau Twin Will
>>                    Heggie, have a new lp out on Anoise Annoys entitled
>>                    "Gush". Was "Ramafied" a track from them back
>>                    in the 80's?
>
>Yes, it was. I had been wondering if there would ever be anything new
>from Lowlife!
>-shill
>
>--
>[][]  [][] Steve Hill, Network Communications Specialist, 708-925-6273
>[]  []  [] Harper College, 1200 W Algonquin Rd, Palatine IL 60067-7398
>           ----shill@harper.cc.il.us----http://www.harper.cc.il.us----
>[]  []  []                    "Mostly harmless."
>[][]  [][]       personal:(http://www.idis.com/shill/index.htm)


Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 15:07:34 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: 1996 Calendar [SF area only]


The store most likely to have the calendar would be Mod Lang in Berkeley,
one of the thislistiest record stores in the world. Yum. Even if they
don't have it you're sure to find enough other cool stuff to make your
trip worthwhile. I don't know the address, but check the phone book.

Rough Trade or Reckless in SF (on Haight) might also carry it; I bought
the 1990 poster set at Rough Trade.

--Jens


Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:07:59 -0400
From: "Thinking no thing will limited-self unlimit."
Subject: Re: 4AD freaks: WATCH OUT!


now is it only me or this whole crap about the "good times" virus is nothing
        but a huge chain letter that keeps poping up everytime a newbie comes
        across it?
maybe this is worst damage that the virus does: enslaves newbies' minds and
        makes them clog up everybody's mailboxes.  :)
gosh, am i talkative lately!  back to lurking again...  oh, but before i go,
        i am terribly afraid that they are doing it again:  i heard garbage
        about 5 times today on the radio, and on the same station!  it won't
        be long till we have another turkey (can u say better than ezra?)
        around...

Joherius

                "People in love should not live together, since cruelty
                rides on the back of love, and love is like a thirst horse
                that rides furiously, but when it decides to stop, it dies
                because of the weight of its load, and the lack of nutrition."
                                Collage of quotes and Improvisations

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 17:48:15 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: 1996 Calendar


On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, Jake Reichert wrote:

> Well, I'd really like to get one of these, but I have no idea where they
> would be sold.  Does anyone have any ideas of stores in the San
> Francisco/Bay area where I could pick one up when they come out?

Better yet, is 4AD planning to distribute them widely?

Martin


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