Subject: the many facets of steve hill
Subject: 4AD<----the name
Subject: deadline for the little auction
Subject: The Amps
Subject: Re: rhp reasons for leaving 4ad
Subject: Re: Amps/Scheer
Subject: DCD do 'Album'
Subject: someone know spiral's address?
Subject: Re: DCD do 'Album'
Subject: Re: Axis...4AD...and The Doom Generation
Subject: DCD do "Album"
Subject: Lisa Gerrard in NYC
Subject: Re: Catherine Wheel
Subject: Re: TOP COCTEAU TWINS ALBUM
Subject: Re: What's with 3?
Subject: Re: sugarlift?
Subject: Re: Amps/Scheer
Subject: Re: hnia (?)
Subject: Re: Axis...4AD...and The Doom Generation
Subject: Re: TOP COCTEAU TWINS ALBUM
Subject: Guernica/Amps-olutely crap/Scheer madness
Subject: Re: Tarnation
Subject: Re: What's with 3?
Subject: Re: What's with 3?
Subject: Re: TOP COCTEAU TWINS ALBUM
Subject: DCD platinum?
Subject: Re: What's with 3?
Subject: Re: What's with 3?
Subject: Re: DCD do 'Album'
Subject: Seeking Big Hat and Tel Basta
Subject: Re: AXIS-->4AD
Subject: Elysium tour underway
Subject: albums?
Subject: Re: TOP COCTEAU TWINS ALBUM
Subject: Re: TOP COCTEAU TWINS ALBUM
Subject: wax and wane remix
Subject: Re: DCD platinum?
Subject: Re: FS: THE THE 7"
Subject: Re: Quit It!
Subject: Lisa in NYC interview
Subject: Independent Projects (IPR) website
Subject: Fishies Going To Heaven Festival update
Subject: Re: items for sale
Subject: Re: items for sale
Subject: NDN:Re: DCD platinum?
Subject: I need 4ad's LA phone number please!!!
Subject: Re: FS: THE THE 7"
Subject: AFGTH rides offered
Subject: 4ad on the cheap in nyc
Subject: AM I RESPONSIBLE?
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 22:29:59 -0700
On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Steve Hill wrote:
> > I think if you read John's point, your tape, while probably an excellent
> > collection, is not an "album". Think about taking chapters from a the
> > great novels in history, or even by the same author. The result is not a
> > new Novel, but a compilation.
>
> I'm sorry I left out the smiley. I was being facetious, but I thought it was
> obvious.
> -shill
Don't you mean, "I'm sorry I left out the smiley. :-)" ??
Sheesh. Some people.
einexile, king of foul
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 02:38:44 -0400
my brother says that the lable name stands for :-
(4) (A)rseholes in (D)istress
my brother's an arsehole too...but judging from what IWR is pushing
out these days (years) my brother could be onto something!!!
the piss and vinegar department
hems
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 00:40:06 -0700
hi everyone!
i forgot to post the deadline for the little auction i'm having so i'll
end it on october 17th, with bairmiami's auction end date.
so far...
1.cocteau twins: bluebeard 1-track promo
2.cocteau twins: summerhead 1-track promo $5
3.cocteau twins: twinlights advance cassette
4.alvin lives (in leeds) anti poll tax compilation (w/ lush's "chirpy
chirpy cheep cheep", robyn hitchcock's "kung fu fighting") $25
thanks again to all of those who have bidded and are bidding...sorry to
those who hate auctions and have to see this.
laters!
p.s. any help on finding the "12 inch '87 anthology" and the "13 year
itch" cds would be greatly appreciated...trade perhaps??!!
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:56:28 +0100
"One pound 99", I thought, "I haven't seen a 4AD release that cheap for
ages". The Amps single has only got three songs on it, and weighs in at
a shade under six minutes in total. I wouldn't mind if it contained
three short bursts of superb punk rock heaven, but what it actually
contains is three short bursts of amateurish punk rock hell. If I
didn't know Kim Deal's history I'd say that Ivo probably signed the Amps
in a fit of madness after seeing them play in a bar somewhere - in fact
I think they would get bottled off in most bars, on this evidence.
Awful, awful stuff. "Tipp City", "Like a Briar" (a cover), and the demo
which was on the FTWW sampler, if anyone cares. Did she really write
"Gigantic"?
--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // [email protected] // 10/10/95
On my walkman this morning : Can - Peel sessions
Upon the straits; - on the French coast the light
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 16:54:24 -0700
On Fri, 6 Oct 1995 [email protected] wrote:
>
> This really upsets me. So now 4ad is infringing on artistic integrity?!
> They're turning more and more into a Soulless Megalith Record Company every
> year. Gee, didn't Lisa Germano leave Capitol because of shit like this?
>
No, Lisa Germano left Capitol because her album got ZERO publicity and
they treated her like crap.
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:23:31 +0100
I listened to both these again yesterday and I still maintain they suck.
I agree Mr. Norman about how bad The Amps are. If IWR is signing bands
like these surely he could sign my band. It seems if Ms. Deal picked her
three favourite chords, had a few beers with some friends, had a jam,
sent a tape to Ivo and got a record contract. There's just no content in
the songs. I bet it took V23 longer to do the artwork than it did to record.
As for Scheer, Skunk Anansie seem to be doing the same sort of
thing - heavy rock with a female singer - but better. Except Scheer have got
Harriet 'Sunday' on vocals.
The Guernica label offshoot would be a more appropriate means to release
these. Give them a one record deal and wait and see if there's any
interest in them.
So Red House Painters have now left 4ad. So how long before the other
main-stays of the label will go - we've lost TWP, Frank Black, Cocteaus a
few years back. Brendan Perry's solo stuff was rejected, tarnation have
split already. Who's next, Belly? Lush?
PS If I've got a photograph ALBUM with a collection of photos taken over
many years, of many different places, subjects then this isn't really an
album its merely a collection of photographs according to you.
'H'y
Stockholm Environment Institute at York
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 03:29:05 PDT
A while back somebody posted Lisa's explanation for the Mirror Pool
(why, who etc.). On reading this she mentioned that her and Mr Perry had
released eight albums together. A quick glance through the releases means
that she counts "A passage in Time" as an album (which only had two new songs).
I am going to send her a copy of the Pink Opague and see it she calls it
an album or not. And Nick Cave will receive "Hits" and be asked for his
opinion. Then this issue will be solved. And there will be world peace. And pigs
will fly (only in the police helicopter). etc. etc.
blahblahblahmumblemumble
Chris
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 03:57:33 -0700
His e-mail address. Jef Lear's, that is. I cleaned out my folders and
there's not a trace of it anywhere and I wanted to fire off a message...
Thanks. Sorry for bugging the list with this.
But you know you love it.
e
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 04:03:25 -0700
On Tue, 10 Oct 1995 [email protected] wrote:
> A while back somebody posted Lisa's explanation for the Mirror Pool
> (why, who etc.). On reading this she mentioned that her and Mr Perry had
> released eight albums together. A quick glance through the releases means
> that she counts "A passage in Time" as an album (which only had two new songs)
Possibly she meant Garden of the Arcane Delights?
It is also quite possible that she cannot count, or doesn't believe in
our cold, rigid Western linear numerical system. :)
einexile, pro-oj and in your face!
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:20:28 +0100
On Mon, 9 Oct 1995 [email protected] wrote:
> ...but I heard 4AD was also a word play on "for a day"
So that's how slowdive got singned then...released Just For A Day as a
tribute to 4AD. I think I'm wasting lots of time these days. It's been
like this ever since I was abducted.
On another note (and this has probably been said on the list before) -
what's the Warren <-> Tarnation connection?
Jon Kvebaek
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 04:48:22 PDT
Einexile the meek remarks:
>Possibly she meant Garden of the Arcane Delights?
>It is also quite possible that she cannot count, or doesn't believe in
>our cold, rigid Western linear numerical system. :)
1) DCD 2) Within the realm... 3) Spleen.. 4)Serpent's 5) Aeion 6)Toward the wit
in
7) Into the labyrynth 8) A passage in time
and 4/10 for 9)Garden of Arcane..
So if she counts Garden as an album, we can forgive her for not counting A Passa
e..
But lashes for the Garden misclassification. If she realises that Garden is an E
then
she had to be calling a Passage an album. Hence lashes for that. Or like e says,
she can't
count - lashes to the Australian? education system.
Lashings all round please (with bits of glass and iron on the tail)
As Claus Larsen says "strap me down"
Chris, shivering in painful anticipation
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 07:53:29 -0400
well, i actually liked her performance, though i must agree it did not differ
much from her cd. there were some solo performances by the band
members (ronan o snodaigh did a excellent job in his drum solo! he
is fun to watch).
i loved the poetry reading! how else could u open a show like that? there
was no opening band that could prepare u better (well, maybe dcd
could *smile*) for her show than some good ol' dark poetry. B->
hey, has anyone noticed that she does mention Brendan in the show program?
"A very special thanks to Brendan Perry and Nanette Gerrard." for
those who did not see a thank-you Brendan in the cd, there u go. :)
Joherius
"And from this springs the extraordinary question: Did the
Egyptians know about electricity?"
- Peter Kolosimo, Terra senza tempo, Milan, Sugar, 1964, p. 111
On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, section25 wrote:
> Sean Kline Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 06:00:35 -0700
You wrote: (edited)
>
>For UK listers,
>really expecting anything great really - just curious about TD
>contribution and also to see how grunge CW have gone.
>'H'y
>
>'H' Cambridge
>
>Stockholm Environment Institute at York
>University of York, York, Uk.
>
>
so, i'm listening to CW Ferment and Chrome. I really don't understand
why people are saying CW has gone grunge...a semantic arguement i fear.
Listen to those releases again, some pretty hard bass lines, agressive
guitar, alternate passages between mellow and brain blowing. The only
aspect ofshoegazing, are the vocals at times (IMNSHO). I hope the
"grunge" label is only grabbing for words which are difficult at times
to find when describing music--ask any reviewer. Grunge was coined to
describe Nirvana and the Seattle scene, much to their dismay actually.
It is yet another marketing term like alternative has become.
So, enlighten me, I want the UK perspective on this because as usual, I
am confused.
sincere but befuddled,
euthelene
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:14:00 -0400
>>Well, they didn't actually DO it, it was put together by 4AD and
Relativity ...<<
Who's responsible for remixing "Wax and Wane" then? And I insist
that the version of "Aikea-Guinea" on The Pink Opaque is WAAAAAY
better than the one on the original EP (which indicates that it,
too, was remixed).
Mike
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:10:07 -0400
Personally, I hate the '3'. I think I would have forgiven them had they
chosen to use the dreaded "UK" suffix (the other "mojave" is American,
right?) because that's easier to ignore. Or they could even have
chosen "THE Mojave" (as in "THE Verve"), and I could have ignored the
'THE', just like I did with Verve. Not to mention that 'Mojave UK' and
'The Mojave' are, to me, more aesthetically pleasing to look at than
'Mojave 3'.
At any rate, it doesn't matter. The album is absolutely amazing, and
I can't stop listening to it. "Love Songs On The Radio", "Tomorrow's
Taken", and "Where Is The Love", and "Pictures" are gorgeous...
Mike
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:23:06 -0400
On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, eric wrote:
> quite some time ago i sent money to a fanzine called sugarlift to get a copy
> of an interview with ian masters. never heard from the zine though. is
> anyone affiliated with that zine on this list, perhaps? i don't care so
> much 'bout the two bucks, but i'd like to see the interview.
hey eric
i'm sorry you haven't gotten the zine yet...the editor is away at school
right now, so perhaps that's why he hasn't got around to sending it out-
he's usually extremely prompt, putting his zines out every three weeks or
so... anyway here is his address and perhaps you can see if you sent it
to the correct place or not...
nicholas deVilliers
71 Pine Street
Florence MA 01060
send me your address so next time i talk to nick deVilliers (also artist
of the latest spoonfed hybrid 7" sleeve) i can tell him about you. also,
anyone else who is waiting for a LIFT, please send me your names & addies
too. merci...
lorraine
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:51:22 CDT
"H'y" at Oct 10, 95 10:23 am
> I listened to both these again yesterday and I still maintain they suck.
>
> I agree Mr. Norman about how bad The Amps are. If IWR is signing bands
> like these surely he could sign my band. It seems if Ms. Deal picked her
> three favourite chords, had a few beers with some friends, had a jam,
> sent a tape to Ivo and got a record contract. There's just no content in
> the songs. I bet it took V23 longer to do the artwork than it did to record.
Sounds like it'll be a big hit on American radio :-(
-shill
--
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[] [] [] Harper College, 1200 W Algonquin Rd, Palatine IL 60067-7398
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:20:32 -0400
What is this?
>> 'hnia sings man on the silver mountain' is not
really to die for, but it's a nice mix. all of the songs on it are
available on 'livonia' and 'home is in your head,' but hey, i like to
collect things, so that's why i bought my copy.<<
Gracias,
Ry
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:18:28 -0700
For anyone in the LA area, the Nuart on Santa Monica Blvd will start
showing The Doom Generation week after next.
I'll be going one day...if anyone wants to set up a group trip or
sumthin, email me.
Ivo
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:42:59 -0500
>>>Well, they didn't actually DO it, it was put together by 4AD and
>Relativity ...<<
>
>Who's responsible for remixing "Wax and Wane" then? And I insist
>that the version of "Aikea-Guinea" on The Pink Opaque is WAAAAAY
>better than the one on the original EP (which indicates that it,
>too, was remixed).
I think you're missing the point. The point is that a *compilation*, even
if it has a few remixed versions and even a few more songs will never be an
album. If an author releases a book that is a compilation of the best
stories and exerpts from previous novels does this new book count as another
novel? No. Otherwise i could just say that the boxed set is my favorite
album. Someone tried to use subtlety and humor to point this out, others
have come right out and said it but why are you so reluctant to admit that
this is NOT an album? It may be your favorite CT release but it is NOT what
is commonly referred to as an "album".
-cz
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:22:32 -0400
>>we've lost TWP, Frank Black, Cocteaus a
few years back. Brendan Perry's solo stuff was rejected, tarnation have
split already. Who's next, Belly? Lush?<<
For the record, UVS, RHP, Shallow, etc., etc. are all gone.
Surely Brendan Perry's solo stuff or the new RHP couldn't have been worse
than that Amps single or even Lisa Gerrard's LP (uninspired). His acoustic
tunes on "Toward the Within" alone are better than that album.
Why did 4AD let the Spoonfeds get away (brilliance).
And the story on Frank Black, TWP, and Brendan Perry? Anyone?
Also, in reference to the Guernica thing. That label isn't a farm label, but
a label releasing music in the U.K. only that is licensed elsewhere in the
world (with the exception of Insides). Releases are usually one-offs (again,
with the exception of Insides).
4AD still, to my knowledge, still operates within the no-contract framework
with most of its "signings". They are all, with the exception of maybe Lush,
DCD, Muses and Belly free to leave at anytime.
Still, v23 is doing some of its most inspired work in years despite the music
its representing.
Still, I hope this storm will pass.
I HATE (this) ILK!
Phil
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:24:10 -0700
The recent issue of Hits Magazine has an interview with Tarnation's Paula
Frazer. True, the other three members of the band have left, but they
say she's already got another band put together...
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 16:43:24 +0100
an Ear" at Oct 10, 95 10:10:07 am
Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:36:25 -0400
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:30:12 -0700
On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear wrote:
> >>Well, they didn't actually DO it, it was put together by 4AD and
> Relativity ...<<
>
> Who's responsible for remixing "Wax and Wane" then?
Ummm...someone at 4AD or Relativity? Ivo, perchance?
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 14:11:32 -0500
Someone on the David Sylvian list is claiming that DCD's Into the
Labyrinth went platinum according to Billboard, which I find frankly
incredible. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
Martin
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:55:57 CDT
an Ear" at Oct 10, 95 10:10 am
>
> Personally, I hate the '3'. I think I would have forgiven them had they
> chosen to use the dreaded "UK" suffix (the other "mojave" is American,
> right?) because that's easier to ignore. Or they could even have
> chosen "THE Mojave" (as in "THE Verve"), and I could have ignored the
> 'THE', just like I did with Verve. Not to mention that 'Mojave UK' and
> 'The Mojave' are, to me, more aesthetically pleasing to look at than
> 'Mojave 3'.
Or been creative and come up with a better name. Wait, they're
musicians, what was I thinking? duh
kent
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:55:07 -0500
>Personally, I hate the '3'. I think I would have forgiven them had they
>chosen to use the dreaded "UK" suffix (the other "mojave" is American,
>right?) because that's easier to ignore. Or they could even have
>chosen "THE Mojave" (as in "THE Verve"), and I could have ignored the
>'THE', just like I did with Verve. Not to mention that 'Mojave UK' and
>'The Mojave' are, to me, more aesthetically pleasing to look at than
>'Mojave 3'.
>
Then again, it's entirely possible that they could mean mojave CUBED:) And
wasn't Luna once known as Luna2 (as in the lunapark album)? We all still
call them Luna, though. My favorite would be The British London Mojave 3
U.K. or Some of the Artists Formerly Known as Slowdive (insert weird symbol
here).
Peng is good,
eric
"I don't care how it works. I just want the concept."
-House Majority Leader Dick Armey, when asked how his proposed flat
tax would work. When asked how much he would pay under the proposed
tax, he threw out numbers for 10 minutes hoping one of them would
fly. None of them did.
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:21:08 -0600
Well, this is my opinion. I've worked in record stores for over three
years now, and I, along with all the people I've worked with, have always
called greatest hits and best of, and other compilations, "albums". We
may call it a compilation album, but we still call it an album. An album
is a reference to the physical object the music is on, whether it be
vinyl or cd. Listen to MTV, even they will call it an album (like MTV is
some great reference source, but my point is that everybody calls the
things albums). What are we supposed to call them, "releases"? I'll
stick to calling them albums, thank you. And Pink Opaque is still the
best album CT ever did.
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*********
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MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 14:13:24 -0500
I've belatedly become a fan of these two bands, having acquired Big Hat's
second album, "Selena at My Window", and Tel Basta's second, entitled
"Laid Up in Lavender". Both bands occupy a parallel universe where
post-Siouxsie vocals, multiinstrumentalist/guitarists, amplified
violin/viola, and non-trap drum percussionists, playing lush arabesques
have become the "normal" lineup.
Unfortunately, with the exception of these two releases, their other work
appears to be out-of-print, unavailable locally, on the net, or by
mail-order. If anyone out there can help me find copies of the following
releases, I'd be most appreciative:
Big Hat - Shimmer
Inamorata
Taqueria del Muerte
Tel Basta - Tel Basta (debut)
I can offer tape copies of an fairly extensive thislisty library or a
little money to compensate you for your troubles...Thanks.
--
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they can only give < [email protected] > morning and you will no
you answers - Picasso \ Don't rock, wobble! / longer fear death - Hakakure
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 14:04:46 -0700
> Isn't this in the 4AD-L FAQ?
Okay, before I look like an even bigger fool, let me defend myself. It
isn't clear in the faq that the "forward" story comes straight from Ivo.
Now I know that it did, but at the time I really didn't buy it. So yes,
I did read the faq, and that's what gave me the idea. Now I have another
faq related question. Has anyone figured out what C.V.O. stands for?
This is a very pressin(g) question.
Aaron
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:15:07 -0700
The Elysium / Aurora Borealis tour is in full swing. After
three shows in Vegas, Mesa, and Tucson, band spirits are
the highest they've ever been. We'll see if they're still
having a good time after the 9 hour trip from El Paso to
San Antonio :) [And for those in New Mexico, they did try
to book a show, but nothing came through. They are however giving
this state a full-band salute at this moment somewhere on I-10
between Tucson and El Paso. Next time, definitely!]
The Mesa show was one of the best I have ever seen.
After seeing The Aurora Borealis several times now, I've really
warmed up to their songs: fast, romping, full of energy
and extremely well written. Little bits of XTC and Felt are
strewn about along with great guy vocals, fairly intense
drumming, funky bass, and two guitars. They have a self-released
CD they're selling on the tour.
Elysium. Besides being great band (ether-bliss to noisy with a
fine sense of subtlety) they're wonderful people. Say hi to them
at one of their shows. You probably already know what they sound like
from my ba-zillion posts about them, so check with me privately or
on my Web Page for more details. They have lots of CDs cluttering
up their tour vans that we'd all love to move...
Alison's Halo (Mesa show only-- they're not touring at the moment)
MY GOD! Every time I see them, they just completely blow me away
as if I'm seeing them for the first time. I've said it before and
I'll say it once again: Alison's Halo is the best dreampop band
on the PLANET. They really know how to use quiet vs. all-out-noisy
(aka. "float/slam" for you Dewdrops readers), and when they get into
one of their noisy refrains as in "Calendar" or "Leech" it's nothing
short of an ecstacy of dreamy, swirling excess. They played a bunch of
new songs, showing a branching out of style and sound. When they
release their debut album (whenever that is) it's going to be the
landmark release in this genre for years to come.
Here is the rest of the tour for Elysium and Aurora Borealis:
Tue.Oct.10th - El Paso @ Saso's Lounge - 9565 Dyer
Wed.Oct.11th - San Antonio @ Coffee Gallery - 203 E. Commerce
Thur.Oct.12th - Austin @ TBA
Fri.Oct.13th - Austin @ Ruta Maya - 218 West 4th Street
Sat.Oct.14th - Tulsa @ the Xenophon - 20 E. Brady
Sun.Oct.15th - off
Mon.Oct.16th - Ft. Collins @ Tony's
Tues.Oct.17th - Denver @ Cricket on the Hill - 1209 E. 13th Street
Wed.Oct.18th - Provo @ The Holly Cow (to be confirmed)
Thurs.Oct.19th - Salt Lake City - TBA
Fri.Oct.20th - Off
Sat.Oct.21st - San Francisco/Berkely @ TBA
Mon.Nov.6th - The Whisky in Hollywood - FREE!!!
Go support these bands! I believe you'll be pleasantly surprised.
brant
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:22:35 -0500
someone on this list said the american souvlaki is not an album because of
the three bonus tracks. but, if i dub tracks one through ten, do i not
have a dub of an album (there being no difference between the british
souvlaki and tracks one through ten on the american)? if i do not have a
dub of the album, how am it to distinguish a tape with the british souvlaki
from a tape of tracks one through ten of the american?
the american souvlaki is an album. that's why the tracks on the end are
called "bonus tracks," to distinguish them from the album proper.
and i won't elaborate on the clan of xymox cd with the two extra remixes.
and my two cents on the "holding our breath" ep, which i just got in the
mail. it's no good compared to "slowdive" and "morningrise." sounds like
outtakes from just for a day, which i didn't think was all that great. i
am, however, a completist, so don't send me any offers for it.
eric, perpetual antagonist
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 16:31:11 -0400
> >>Well, they didn't actually DO it, it was put together by 4AD and
> Relativity ...<<
>
> Who's responsible for remixing "Wax and Wane" then?
Ummm...someone at 4AD or Relativity? Ivo, perchance?
--------------------------
If it was ANYONE, it would have been either the band or Ivo. Maybe
back in 1982 or maybe early 1983 the band would have let someone else
do it, but I doubt anyone but THEY would have remixed "Wax and Wane"
in 1985. By that time, the band were pretty much in control of most
of what they did in the studio. Ivo could have done it though, since
he was co-producer when "Wax and Wane" was originally recorded.
Does anyone else agree with me that the version of "Aikea-Guinea"
on The Pink Opaque sounds fuller and more clear than the original?
Mike
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:24:34 -0400
>>>I think you're missing the point. The point is that a *compilation*, even
if it has a few remixed versions and even a few more songs will never be an
album. If an author releases a book that is a compilation of the best
stories and exerpts from previous novels does this new book count as another
novel? No. Otherwise i could just say that the boxed set is my favorite
album. Someone tried to use subtlety and humor to point this out, others
have come right out and said it but why are you so reluctant to admit that
this is NOT an album? It may be your favorite CT release but it is NOT what
is commonly referred to as an "album".
-cz
Sorry...I wasn't arguing with the fact that The Pink Opaque is anything
more than a compilation and NOT a new body of work and therefore does
not qualify as an album, per se. I agree with that TOTALLY and always
HAVE felt that way. All I was saying was that, in response to whomever
said that there was no new input on The Pink Opaque, "Wax and Wane"
and (I'm willing to BET) "Aikea-Guinea" were remixed for The Pink Opaque,
which would indicate NEW WORK to a certain extent. That's ALL I
was saying...
And as for the Smiths/Morrissey thing...I think you're confusing me
with someone else. I never said anything about those people.
Mike
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 14:01:13 -0700
>> Who's responsible for remixing "Wax and Wane" then?
>Ummm...someone at 4AD or Relativity? Ivo, perchance?
I'd be very surprised if it was anyone else's but their
own remix. I have an article somewhere (again it would be
very hard to find) that says Robin was so disappointed
with how "Peppermint Pig" turned out that he vowed never again
to let anyone else produce or mix their songs. Maybe this
remix existed before that, though.
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 18:35:32 -0400
>>Someone on the David Sylvian list is claiming that DCD's Into the
Labyrinth went platinum according to Billboard, which I find frankly
incredible. Can anyone confirm or deny this?<<
Nope, but is the David Sylvian list any good?
Ry
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 18:15:32 -0400
<[email protected]>
does anyone know the whereabouts of any of the music by "matt johnson and the
gadgets"?(very rare)...?
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 18:36:39 -0400
>>why are you so reluctant to admit that
this is NOT an album? It may be your favorite CT release but it is NOT what
is commonly referred to as an "album".<<
Another semantics issue again. We all really live in hate of each other don't
we. All ready to pounce at the slightest thing. Why can't we all just move on
and talk about things that really matter on this list (like how crap Scheer
are and the like).
The Pink Opaque is, indeed, a good CT release (just like "Louder Than Bombs"
and "Singles 45 and Under" are good releases, though not proper albums). Just
chuckle to yourself that little self-satisfied, enlightened chuckle, delete
and move on.
If the vein on your forehead is really throbbing that much, seek counseling
and spare us all the wasted bandwidth. That will allow smug, pompous elitists
like myself to spare YOU this wasted bandwidth.
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 19:01:41 -0400
Hi gang,
Saw Lisa last night here in NYC and loved it.
Also, I interviewed her today for my online mag, GaySource, the first
online mag for the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgender community.
We spoke for about 45 minutes about her solo work, her spirituality,
Brendan and his solo work, the new Dead Can Dance stuff that is to be out
in April, a DCD tour next summer, her brother's death a few weeks ago, her
connection to and affection for the Gay community, and a lot more.
She is so incredibly sweet, and very intense.
It will be in our November issue at:
Michael Franz
Editor-in-Chief
GaySource Magazine
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 16:47:52 -0700
indiepop list Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 16:14:31 -0700
indiepop list Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:36:20 -0700
Oh, sorry, I'm interested in the Liquorice "Cheap Cuts" 5 song promo CD
too. Thanks.
Warren
>i know that certain people have expressed a dislike for auctions, so I
>will only post this once. (therefore only requiring one press of the "D"
>key located towards the left of your keyboard). Anyway, I have the
>following items for sale/bid.
>
>remember kids...only email me PRIVATELY, not to the list!
>
>dirt issue #69 with 'soil samples' split 7"
> featuring Tarantion "don't fancy me"
> and Liquorice "team player" both remixed
> by our pal Warren DeFever. Yellow vinyl.
>
>Kendra Smith "Five Ways Of Disappearing" promo
> advance cd complete with 3 hand letterpress
> printed collector cards, still wrapped in
> paper. very rare!
>
>Kendra Smith "Valley of The Morning Sun" 2 song
> promo cd.
>
>Air Miami "I hate Milk" 1 song promo cd.
>
>Frank Black "Headache" EP (BAD 4007) 4 songs.
>
>Lisa Germano "Cry Wolf" EP. promo only. 4 songs
> unreleased non-album tracks/remixes.
>
>Dead Can Dance "American Dreaming" 1 song promo CD
>
>Wolfgang Press "Standing Up Straight" CD
>
>Liquorice "Cheap Cuts" 5 song promo CD with ESP
> remixes!!!
>
>The Moon And The Melodies "moon and the melodies" UK CD
>
>
>it pains me to sell these, but i need to eat.
>
>if interested, please email me!
>oh yeah, i will also pay for postage.
>
>[email protected]
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:35:23 -0700
Do you still have the dirt issue #69 with 'soil samples' split 7"?
Warren
>i know that certain people have expressed a dislike for auctions, so I
>will only post this once. (therefore only requiring one press of the "D"
>key located towards the left of your keyboard). Anyway, I have the
>following items for sale/bid.
>
>remember kids...only email me PRIVATELY, not to the list!
>
>dirt issue #69 with 'soil samples' split 7"
> featuring Tarantion "don't fancy me"
> and Liquorice "team player" both remixed
> by our pal Warren DeFever. Yellow vinyl.
>
>Kendra Smith "Five Ways Of Disappearing" promo
> advance cd complete with 3 hand letterpress
> printed collector cards, still wrapped in
> paper. very rare!
>
>Kendra Smith "Valley of The Morning Sun" 2 song
> promo cd.
>
>Air Miami "I hate Milk" 1 song promo cd.
>
>Frank Black "Headache" EP (BAD 4007) 4 songs.
>
>Lisa Germano "Cry Wolf" EP. promo only. 4 songs
> unreleased non-album tracks/remixes.
>
>Dead Can Dance "American Dreaming" 1 song promo CD
>
>Wolfgang Press "Standing Up Straight" CD
>
>Liquorice "Cheap Cuts" 5 song promo CD with ESP
> remixes!!!
>
>The Moon And The Melodies "moon and the melodies" UK CD
>
>
>it pains me to sell these, but i need to eat.
>
>if interested, please email me!
>oh yeah, i will also pay for postage.
>
>[email protected]
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 20:50:20 EST
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 21:48:32 -0500
can someone please send me the la office's phone number???
thanks
steve
[email protected]
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:24:00 EST
No, but Matt Johnson himself does not tyhink much of it. If you go to the
The The WWW page you can find out why.
Cheers,
H.
----------
>
>does anyone know the whereabouts of any of the music by "matt johnson and
the
>gadgets"?(very rare)...?
>
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 19:59:17 -0700
As you may have seen from Brandon, the pop event of the
year is happening in Phoenix this weekend, starting Friday
night. E-mail [email protected] for more details.
I will be driving there, leaving LA sometime Friday morning,
and returning Sunday morning/aternoon. I'd be glad to take
up to 3 other people with me on the trip, so contact me ASAP
if you'd like to come.
Let's make it a trip to remember!
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
ps. as a bonus, the route along I-10 includes some of the
places involved in the Scenic album 'Incident At Cima',
plus you just can't beat the cactus-filled scenery.