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Subject: Re: CT non-overlap
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:26:18 -0500
From: strobe (jwgrote@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: i want to tell you
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 21:46:44 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: i want to tell you
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:24:06 -0500
From: strobe (jwgrote@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: some thislisty interest in new AP
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 01:31:38 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: TOP COCTEAU TWINS ALBUM
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:49:00 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: NEW MEDICINE ALBUM / BREEDING RITUALS OF GUINEAU CHIHUAWAS
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 22:27:16 EWT
From: soul whirling somewhere (BGMUTZA@CLUSTER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: TOP COCTEAU TWINS ALBUM
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 01:11:29 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Rainier Maria Rilke
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:58:00 EST
From: "Ellens, Harm" (HEllens@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.COM.AU)
Subject: Re: numbering system
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 03:46:29 -0400
From: Renee Castro (Rennyok@AOL.COM)
Subject: Think i'm getting the hang of it. . .
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:45:30 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: RHP 4 show "tour"
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:59:46 -0700
From: pauld@BEST.COM
Subject: a little more to the auction
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 01:57:17 -0700
From: lushmuse (eahu597@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Rachel Slowdive and her lyrics
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 06:47:36 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: The Lillies
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 12:23:14 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: some thislisty interest in new AP
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:36:53 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: i want to tell you
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:40:59 CDT
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@ANDROS.MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: TOP COCTEAU TWINS ALBUM
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:19:08 -0600
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: NEW MEDICINE ALBUM / BREEDING RITUALS OF GUINEAU CHIHUAWAS
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:28:39 -0600
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: some thislisty interest in new AP
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:21:10 -0500
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: MEDICINE
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:35:28 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Auction of 4AD stuff
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 14:23:51 -0400
From: Bairmiami@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: NEW MEDICINE ALBUM / BREEDING RITUALS OF GUINEAU CHIHUAWAS
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:31:25 EWT
From: soul whirling somewhere (BGMUTZA@CLUSTER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: TOP COCTEAU TWINS ALBUM
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:28:26 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Unrest promo 4 ???
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:19:29 PDT
From: Ara Kermanikian (araker@MICROSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: Carnage Visors
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 12:53:55 -0600
From: Chadwick Dorton (cdorton@SLCPL.SLCPL.LIB.UT.US)
Subject: susbscribe 4AD-l Willy McCauley
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:48:24 -0400
From: Willy McCauley (mccauley@CORE1.JOSLAB.HARVARD.EDU)
Subject: Re: TOP COCTEAU TWINS ALBUM
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:34:07 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: rhp reasons for leaving 4ad
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:06:54 -0700
From: phil locke (PLOCKE@US.ORACLE.COM)
Subject: Re: numbering system
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:26:04 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject:
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:40:14 -0700
From: "Michael S. Fischer" (mfischer@NSI.EDU)
Subject: Re: a little more to the auction
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 18:39:19 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Silly Friday Afternoon Thoughts
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:46:21 CDT
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@ANDROS.MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: items for sale(?)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 19:28:33 -0400
From: Cath Carroll (FAC179@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: TOP COCTEAU TWINS ALBUM
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 18:35:11 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: TOP COCTEAU TWINS ALBUM
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 17:41:18 -0500
From: kylexene@TEZCAT.COM
Subject: Whoops!
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:38:24 -0700
From: "Michael S. Fischer" (msf@nsi.edu)
Subject: Re: TOP COCTEAU TWINS ALBUM
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 20:20:45 -0400
From: wendy lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: i want to tell you
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 20:00:32 -0400
From: the lower case n (cinnamon@ONE.NET)
Subject: Re: the waxing and waning of the ct list
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 13:02:46 -0700
From: "Michael S. Fischer" (msf@nsi.edu)
Subject: Re: slowdive (mojave 3?)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 01:37:42 -0700 (MST)
From: Noah Slankard (slankard@PrimeNet.Com)
Subject: a coupla other things for sale
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 21:05:08 -0400
From: wendy lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: RHP reasons for leaving 4ad
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:52:38 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: rhp reasons for leaving 4ad
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 23:16:00 -0400
From: Bairmiami@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: NEW MEDICINE ALBUM / BREEDING RITUALS OF GUINEAU CHIHUAWAS
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 23:06:45 EDT
From: redacted (unknown@unknown)
Subject: THIS BAND-GARBAGE
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 23:40:14 EDT
From: redacted (unknown@unknown)
Subject: anon
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 23:28:56 -0500
From: JEHEINDL@AMHERST.EDU

Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:26:18 -0500
From: strobe (jwgrote@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: CT non-overlap


On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, Micah Newman wrote:

>         I have a suggestion: how about if all Cocteau Twins posting is
> shifted to the newly-created Cocteau Twins list (subscribe at
> listserv@indiana.edu)? This would ease the traffic on those of us
> subscribed to both lists, and would also help out the fledgling CT list
> from going the way of starlust (the "useless" Lush list).

cocteau twins list:  mail to majordomo@ucs.indiana.edu
with SUBSCRIBE JWGROTE_COCTEAU
in the body of the message.

that is - - if we don't dissolve it!   :-p

______________________________
jwgrote@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 21:46:44 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: i want to tell you


        I think the CT list is a great idea since there are probably many CT
fans who are not necessarily into 4ad as a label (I know one of them myself),
and with the band-specific list, they could do the whole sharing-info-
through-a-listserv thing without having to wade through all the non-Cocteaus
posts.
        The jwgrote_cocteau list is going great so far, IMO; I think it
should be given a chance to develop further.

= "Wake up, see    \ If there's no God, why      + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists?         + dread the due changes   =
= done is done..." \  -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..."               =
=  -Ride: "Today"  /   Ontological Proof         +  -Red House Painters    =

Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:24:06 -0500
From: strobe (jwgrote@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: i want to tell you


hi -

i created this cocteau twins list last week because i like them a lot and
i can't take the high volume of mail on the 4ad list.  in general, i'm
not a 4ad listener (except for ct and lush), so most of the traffic is
extraneous for me.  however, i am presently (until tomorrow or so)
subscribed to the 4ad list, and i'm seeing a lot of ct traffic over there.
as i try to have a sense of netiquette, i'm concerned that the creation
of this ct list might fragment the community of ct listeners, and indeed
negatively impact the 4ad list.  therefore, i'm willing to dissolve the
ct list if that's what the ct community would like me to do...
otherwise, perhaps someone would like to maintain their subscription to
the 4ad list and forward ct-related items to the ct list...?

i'd be interested in hearing from any of you...

______________________________
jwgrote@silver.ucs.indiana.edu


Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 01:31:38 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: some thislisty interest in new AP


Well, THE UGLIEST 4ad Add i have EVER seen is in the latest (Nov.)
Alternative Press.  Ug, has the U$ division of 4AD have NO taste?
...there's also an interesting inclusion of the "4AD hotline: 310. 535.
1714"

The entire *In The Nursery* backcatalogue is being caried by
Projekt/Darkwave including a new release, "Scatter"  It seems from the
quote that "Scatter" is a 'Best of' album.

An article about Lisa Gerard has a few interesting tidbits:  LG:  "I
contacted 4AD and *jokingly* [emphasis mine] said, 'How muchmondy would you
give me if I wanted to release this stuff?'  And they gave me a budget ..."
also  Lisa's late brother listened to Heavy Metal.

___<<<<<<<<<*********ckemnitz@students.wisc.edu********>>>>>>>>>___

"Names are but Noise and Smoke, obscuring Heavenly Light."    -Johann Goethe

Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:49:00 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: TOP COCTEAU TWINS ALBUM


david wrote:

       > OK. I'm new to the list, but is there a consensus out there as to
>what our favorite cocteau twins album is? I know this poses a deep,
>disturbing question in my heart....but I vote heaven or las vegas. Anyone?

i will try not to be harsh but you have to be kidding. go listen to
victorialand or the moon and the melodies sometime then get back to us

Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 22:27:16 EWT
From: soul whirling somewhere (BGMUTZA@CLUSTER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: NEW MEDICINE ALBUM / BREEDING RITUALS OF GUINEAU CHIHUAWAS


>        Those of you familliar with the new medicine album("HER HIGHNESS"),
>what do you think? I get the feeling that there aren't too many medicine
>fans out there anymore. Is it because everyone just thinks they've lost
>their PUNCH?! Your'e WRONG! Medicine's new album is incredible in it's own
>light. I get the feeling that Brad Laner is a person who is bored having a
>static style of music. Everybody HAS to check out medicine once
>again!!!....DaVe

well, since you asked... i love the new album.  i think it's more beth's album,
while the other two were mostly laner's, meaning the emphasis is more on the
vocals and less on the noise.  they're also incredibly nice people!  i talked
at length with justin and brad and briefly met beth at the show last night.
all were incredibly down-to-earth and some of the most friendly people you'll
meet.  the live performances are fantastic... i've seen them twice on this tour
and hope to see them a third time.  for those of you who dislike the new album,
they play a nice mix of stuff off of the three studio albums and 'lime 6' off
of the _sounds of medicine_ ep.  so for those of you out west, i'd highly
recommend seeing them.

brian

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 01:11:29 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: TOP COCTEAU TWINS ALBUM


>        OK. I'm new to the list, but is there a consensus out there as to
>what our favorite cocteau twins album is? I know this poses a deep,
>disturbing question in my heart....but I vote heaven or las vegas. Anyone?

HoLV?

Well there's NO concensus that's for sure.  Here's what the FAQ has to say:

to start, although some dislike its selection. The only Cocteau Twins
compilation is The Pink Opaque, which only covers the period 1982-1984 and
is also out of print and hard to find.  Perhaps a good recommendation is to
cite the list's collective favorites as determined by vote in 1994.  Our
favorite Cocteau Twins albums are Treasure and Victorialand, and our
favorite Dead Can Dance albums are Within the Realm of a Dying Sun and The
Serpent's Egg.  You might also try the Cocteau Twins Web page, which has a
good set of reviews of most of their releases, plus some song snippets.

___<<<<<<<<<*********ckemnitz@students.wisc.edu********>>>>>>>>>___

"Names are but Noise and Smoke, obscuring Heavenly Light."    -Johann Goethe

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:58:00 EST
From: "Ellens, Harm" (HEllens@VCOMTELC.TELECOM.COM.AU)
Subject: Re: Rainier Maria Rilke


Seems like the InterNet plug is pulled out of this account.

Just testing,

H.


Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 03:46:29 -0400
From: Renee Castro (Rennyok@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: numbering system


If he was in the same room as Ivo Watts-Russell
why didn't he meet him?  If that guy really does have the same name, I bet
I.W.R would have gotten a kick.
I bet he's  never met someone with the same name before.

Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:45:30 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Think i'm getting the hang of it. . .


anyofucollectors want this?  e-mail me with a bid, if so.  features the
Mojave track "Love Songs on the Radio."  not to mention scheer (bleagh).
oh, and sorry 'bout the double messages.

eric


"I don't care how it works.  I just want the concept."
        -House Majority Leader Dick Armey, when asked how his proposed flat
         tax would work. When asked how much he would pay under the proposed
         tax, he threw out numbers for 10 minutes hoping one of them would
         fly.  None of them did.


Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:59:46 -0700
From: pauld@BEST.COM
Subject: RHP 4 show "tour"


Unfortunately, It was only a four show "tour"; Three in the bay area and one
in LA. I read somewhere that Kozelek  hates touring so, you know... I don't
know...

I was lucky enough to be able to see all three N.Cal shows and they were all
truly splendid. They played a similar set each night opening with Kozelek
solo doing a beautiful new song . Then the band joined him and they did a
jam thing that turned into Evil and then 24. Other highlights included Uncle
Joe, (except at the SF show where that one seemed to sort of fall apart)
Dragonflies, Medicine Bottle, Strawberry Hill, Katy Song. ...  At the end
Kozelek did a solo camp-fire sing along thing (no amplification on voice or
guitar) including  Summer Dress, Take Me Out, and Michael all punctuated by
lots of throat clearing and wrong notes/lyrics from the audience (OK, mostly
me).

Most of the new songs were pretty heavy and distorto-guitar laden, one of
them,  musically,  reminded me of Neil Young's Down by the River if you can
imagine that.

When he announced that they were no longer on 4AD at the Berkeley show there
was a collective moan from the audience. It made me wonder; did these people
think that it meant  that there would be no more RHP records? That no other
label would sign them? That they would no longer be allowed to discuss them
on their favorite internet mailing list? ; )  No, I think it's just that 4AD
mystique, it was an interesting moment and it probably wouldn't have
happened if it involved any other label. My point? I don't know,  just
something to throw out there.

Later that show Kozelek joked: "this is the song that got us kicked off
4AD."  The following week in SF he explained that they, had in fact, left
4AD because the label wanted to alter the new material ; "it's good but can
you just remove the guitar solo?" (read with fake English accent) He said
that the new album was recorded and that they were still looking for a new
label. Then the " That's to clear up all the internet shit" comment.

Paul

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 01:57:17 -0700
From: lushmuse (eahu597@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: a little more to the auction


hey everyone!

sorry to post this again...well the auction is still on and i'm sure
those of you who hate this kinda thing already erased it but i have 1 more
thing to auction so i'm reposting this.  e-mail me privately with your
bids...thanks!

1.alvin lives (in leeds) compilation: $15
2.cocteau twins: bluebeard 1-track promo
3.cocteau twins: summerhead 1-track promo $5
4.cocteau twins: twinlights advance cassette

laters!


Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 06:47:36 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Rachel Slowdive and her lyrics


>> Larry, who thinks Rachel is cool although her lyrics on Pygmalion were
>> pretty mediocre
>
>rachel doesnt have the capacity to be mediocre!!
>she has always been amazing...

Well, she's got a good voice - I'll give you that

>burn burn!! (in a nice way... sit down by the fire, burn
>your weary mind...)
>although those were the only lyrics that were thoroughly
>clear.

And those are exactly the lines I thought were the most sucky. I think
that's the problem - once they become intelligible, you realise they're a
bit lame. I don't mind the other song she wrote on that album, "Miranda",
but that's because you can't make out what she's saying, apart from
"adnarim" (?). "Country Rain" on _5EP_ is pretty bad too: "and the rain
keeps on falling in my heart" - puh-leeze, that's such a cliche.

Larry

"let's raise a flag that has no colours/
release the sun into the empty cathedral"


Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 12:23:14 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: The Lillies

              <199510052305.QAA04910@jeeves.usfca.edu>

Jake wrote:

>On an entirely different note, has anyone ever seen or heard this mythic
>single by the Lillies that came with the soccer fanzine?

and naoyuki fukumoto wrote:

> recently i've heared "Rare Two" tape thet got through my friend. in which
>much i favor of "and David seamean won't be very happy about that" of unit
>called "The Lillies". Only three line note tell me some information about
>"The Lillies" according to line, the unit constituent are  miki from lush,
>Simon from cocteaou's, Kevin and Russel from moose.
>
> line note also tell me that this unit is only "one-off''. Does anyone have
>some information about this unit? lika any other material or any shows that
>they played on and like that.

The Lillies (nothing to do with The Lilys) was just a one off and they
haven't done any other recordings and certainly no gigs (at least, as far
as I know).  Presumably the name "Lillies" refers to the all white strip of
the soccer team Tottenham Hotspur (Spurs), which all the band members
support.  The Lillies got together to make the song in response to the FA
Cup semi defeat of arch rivals Arsenal by Spurs.  The "and David seamean
won't be very happy about that" line is part of a Barry Davies commentary
on the match.

When the flexi was released with the fanzine, I mailed a couple to list
members (hi Ken Darcovich (spelling?), are you still around?).  I remember
Simon Raymonde (I think it was) saying that they just wanted to prove that
good football songs could be made like theirs and New Order's "World In
Motion" ... which kinda struck me as odd since I thought both songs were
pretty shite.  Give me "Bradford City, Bradford City, you know we're gonna
win ... and never give in" any day.  At least it's a good sing-a-long!

Simon Hughes


Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:36:53 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: some thislisty interest in new AP


cz wrote:

> An article about Lisa Gerard has a few interesting tidbits:  LG:  "I
> contacted 4AD and *jokingly* [emphasis mine] said, 'How muchmondy would you
> give me if I wanted to release this stuff?'  And they gave me a budget ..."
> also  Lisa's late brother listened to Heavy Metal.


Did he help out on the "Within the Realm of a Dying Sun"?  I noticed in the
credits a "Mark Gerrard" listed as playing trumpet.


marvynHortman

PS I picked up Autchere "Garbage", Seefeel "quique", seefeel "fracture tied"
ep, St Etienne "so tough", and Lonely is an eyesore CD all for $7.99 a piece
(except for the ep which was $5) at a local CD shop yesterday!  Oh happy day,
I finally have LIAE on CD as well as tape.

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:40:59 CDT
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@ANDROS.MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: i want to tell you

from "strobe" at Oct 5,
              95 11:24 pm

>
> hi -
>
> i created this cocteau twins list last week because i like them a lot and
> i can't take the high volume of mail on the 4ad list.  in general, i'm
> not a 4ad listener (except for ct and lush), so most of the traffic is
> extraneous for me.  however, i am presently (until tomorrow or so)
> subscribed to the 4ad list, and i'm seeing a lot of ct traffic over there.
> as i try to have a sense of netiquette, i'm concerned that the creation
> of this ct list might fragment the community of ct listeners, and indeed
> negatively impact the 4ad list.  therefore, i'm willing to dissolve the
> ct list if that's what the ct community would like me to do...
> otherwise, perhaps someone would like to maintain their subscription to
> the 4ad list and forward ct-related items to the ct list...?
>
> i'd be interested in hearing from any of you...

I, for one, won't be subscribing to any ct mailing list.  There's
not enough ct traffic on 4AD-L to warrant yaml (yet another mailing
list).


kent
kjv@mti.cdc.com

alt.4AD.music.Cocteau.Twins.Simon.Raymonde.sad.songs.in.e.minor
alt.4AD.music.Cocteau.Twins.Simon.Raymonde.sad.songs.in.b.minor
.
.
.
you get the picture


Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:19:08 -0600
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: TOP COCTEAU TWINS ALBUM


  My top Cocteau Twins album is Pink Opaque.  Obviously teh best stuff
they've ever done.  After that, it was all downhill.

******************************************************************************

                                   A.I.D.S.
              We are all infected because we are all affected.........

                                  *********
                     Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. soon@unm.edu
  MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
******************************************************************************

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:28:39 -0600
From: mesocyclone (soon@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: NEW MEDICINE ALBUM / BREEDING RITUALS OF GUINEAU CHIHUAWAS


  Does anyone know the tour schedule for Medicine?  They passed through
my hometown of Albuquerque, but I've moved to Richmond Va, and need to
know if they're heading out this way anytime soon.  Can someone post the
tour schedule?

******************************************************************************

                                   A.I.D.S.
              We are all infected because we are all affected.........

                                  *********
                     Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. soon@unm.edu
  MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
******************************************************************************


Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:21:10 -0500
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: some thislisty interest in new AP


>> An article about Lisa Gerard has a few interesting tidbits:  LG:  "I
>> contacted 4AD and *jokingly* [emphasis mine] said, 'How much money would you
>> give me if I wanted to release this stuff?'  And they gave me a budget ..."
>> also  Lisa's late brother listened to Heavy Metal.

        marvynHortman:
>Did he help out on the "Within the Realm of a Dying Sun"?  I noticed in the
>credits a "Mark Gerrard" listed as playing trumpet.

I do believe his name was Mark.  So that must be him.

-cz


Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:35:28 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: MEDICINE


David Karevicius wrote:
>It's sad to
>hear that people have let go of their God theories.

Not "let go" so much as that they maintain(ed) that Medicine simply suck.
I'm not sure how many involved in the flame war are still on the list,
particularly in the anti-Medicine camp, and nobody who remembers it wants
to re-run that particular war again.

>Beth Thompson truly is prety ethereal...

"Strung-out" was more my impression from seeing them live. She reminded
me of Laura Dern at the Betty Ford clinic ... excellent show though.

--Jens

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 14:23:51 -0400
From: Bairmiami@AOL.COM
Subject: Auction of 4AD stuff


<----AUCTION ENDS OCT. 17---->


Lisa Germano, "Inconsiderate Bitch" EP
--this disc is out-of-print; digipak in super condition

Lush, "For Love" EP
Astronaut
--Out-of-print; tri-fold digipak in super condition

Cocteau Twins interview picture CD
--A 40+ minute interview with the Twins; made in England; ltd. ed. of 1500;
catalog #ABCD010 "The Conversation Disc Series" (not by 4AD)
--Cover has picture of band; CD has color picture of Liz's face

send all bids to bairmiami@aol.com

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:31:25 EWT
From: soul whirling somewhere (BGMUTZA@CLUSTER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: NEW MEDICINE ALBUM / BREEDING RITUALS OF GUINEAU CHIHUAWAS


>  Does anyone know the tour schedule for Medicine?  They passed through
>my hometown of Albuquerque, but I've moved to Richmond Va, and need to
>know if they're heading out this way anytime soon.  Can someone post the
>tour schedule?

there is a tour schedule posted on the tour page at american recordings...
don't know the url off hand.  anyway, they're going to be in chicago tonight,
then minneapolis, and then st. louis on tuesday.  i got the impression from
brad and justin that they were heading out west for now, but the schedule at
american will be able to (dis)confirm that.  so... it looks like they won't be
in virginia for awhile :(

brian


Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:28:26 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: TOP COCTEAU TWINS ALBUM


On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, mesocyclone wrote:

>   My top Cocteau Twins album is Pink Opaque.  Obviously teh best stuff
> they've ever done.  After that, it was all downhill.
>


Well of course it was wonderful...It was a compilation of old stuff.  The
best album that they actually recorded as an album, im[not-so]ho, will
always be Treasure.  'nuff said.

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:19:29 PDT
From: Ara Kermanikian (araker@MICROSOFT.COM)
Subject: Unrest promo 4 ???


Anyome interested in getting a promo CD of UNREST, "Perfect Teeth" ?

I'll trade it for some other fun stuff you might have.

<< ARA >>

araker@microsoft.com

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 12:53:55 -0600
From: Chadwick Dorton (cdorton@SLCPL.SLCPL.LIB.UT.US)
Subject: Re: Carnage Visors


On Fri, 29 Sep 1995, Frey, Bryan wrote:

>   Speaking of "Carnage Visors", does anyone know if it has ever found its way
>   onto CD?  I know it was found on the b-sides of cassette releases of
>   "Faith" for a while, but I lost my copy...

The Cure has always had a thing for releasing "bonus tracks" on cassette
and leaving CD and LP buyers out in the cold.  As far as I know, "Carnage
Visors" is only available on cassette, unless they have rereleased it in
the past few years.  (I stopped keeping track of The Cure for the past few
years.)

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:48:24 -0400
From: Willy McCauley (mccauley@CORE1.JOSLAB.HARVARD.EDU)
Subject: susbscribe 4AD-l Willy McCauley


susbscribe 4AD-l Willy McCauley


          ***************************************************
                              Willy McCauley

            TEL: 01- 679-2022 extn 598     FAX: 01-679-0643

                       Email :wmccauley@irish-times.ie
                 Email : mccauley@core1.joslab.harvard.edu

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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:34:07 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: TOP COCTEAU TWINS ALBUM


On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, mesocyclone wrote:

>   My top Cocteau Twins album is Pink Opaque.  Obviously teh best stuff
> they've ever done.  After that, it was all downhill.

This is a compilation.

Mike

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:06:54 -0700
From: phil locke (PLOCKE@US.ORACLE.COM)
Subject: rhp reasons for leaving 4ad


> > My favorite one was when he said that he would tell us
> > all the reasons he left the label "just to clear up all
> > the internet bullshit." :)
>
> Sorry, I wasn't at that show, so what WERE those reasons??

Basically, Mark said that he submitted his new songs to 4AD
and they wanted him to change them, and he didn't want to,
so they parted company.

He said they wanted him to cut out all the guitar solos,
and that someone asked him who the crap guitarist was that
he hired to work on the new record.  His response:

"That's fuckin' _me_!"

All the new stuff I've heard -- both at the solo show and
the band show -- has been great.  I hope they find a good
new home.

--phil


Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:26:04 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: numbering system


On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Renee Castro wrote:

> If he was in the same room as Ivo Watts-Russell
> why didn't he meet him?  If that guy really does have the same name, I bet
> I.W.R would have gotten a kick.
> I bet he's  never met someone with the same name before.
>
Please please PLEASE don't start with the name stuff again... *argh*  I'm
sure lushmuse's real name isn't lushmuse and there isn't really someone
named Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear.  Gawrsh... can't I just create a
character????

As far as the meeting thing... the reason why I didn't meet him was
because I was doing a mailing when he came over to talk to Rich, the guy
I work for.  I wasn't going to run over to him, drooling, and say 'I
WORSHIP YOU'....besides, I had work to do.  I had to go to the other side
of the office to get postage and by the time I was done that, he was
leaving with Robin to go to lunch.  Sad.  Anyway, I DID meet and talk to
Chris Bigg, and I shared a smile with Lisa Germano as she was coming out
of the bathroom, and I'm sure Ivo will be back again...and again and
again and again... I'll meet 'im sooner or later, don't worry 'bout that.

Eeeevo


Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:40:14 -0700
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 18:39:19 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: a little more to the auction

              

does anyone have a cocteau twins singles list?

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:46:21 CDT
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@ANDROS.MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: Silly Friday Afternoon Thoughts

              "Bairmiami@AOL.COM" at Oct 6, 95 2:23 pm

so I'm sitting here holding on the Dell support line
listening to "not bad" music, Bare Trees era Fleetwood
Mac, Sade, and thinking, hey, I didn't need to bring
my discman today, I've got music right here...


kent
kjv@mti.cdc.com
Just what is "wasted bandwidth"?
31 bits travelling over a 32 bit line?

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 19:28:33 -0400
From: Cath Carroll (FAC179@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: items for sale(?)


Is stuff still for sale? Hello?

FAC 179@aol.com

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 18:35:11 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: TOP COCTEAU TWINS ALBUM

              <199510060251.WAA04755@zaphod.bennington.edu>

In my opinion,
1.the pink opaque
2.victorialand
3.heaven or las vegas
but then again, the cocteau twins are a group that really seems to touch
everyone's emotions, likes, and feelings. Any comments, anyone?

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 17:41:18 -0500
From: kylexene@TEZCAT.COM
Subject: Re: TOP COCTEAU TWINS ALBUM


>        OK. I'm new to the list, but is there a consensus out there as to
>what our favorite cocteau twins album is? I know this poses a deep,
>disturbing question in my heart....but I vote heaven or las vegas. Anyone?


Well,IMHO,it has to be "Treasure",hands down.After "Tiny Dyanmine"Liz and
the cats seemed to had started losing their edge.

But,mind you,that's just me...

spyder

stylised deformity..don't look back,you were dead from the
beginning-Godflesh


Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:38:24 -0700
From: "Michael S. Fischer" (msf@nsi.edu)
Subject: Whoops!


Please accept my apologies about that cryptic post.  Apparently emacs
isn't being nice to me...:(

--Mike

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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 20:20:45 -0400
From: wendy lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: TOP COCTEAU TWINS ALBUM


My favorite will always be Garlands...
-----
wendy

"I need the First Amendment so that I'll be able to say to people who
say things I do not agree with, `Look, you yellow-bellied son of a bitch,
you run on all fours, you molest small children, you have the mind of an
adolescent tyrant.' I need to be able to answer them back."  --Molly Ivins


Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 20:00:32 -0400
From: the lower case n (cinnamon@ONE.NET)
Subject: Re: i want to tell you

              from "strobe" at Oct 5, 95 11:24:06 pm

> as i try to have a sense of netiquette, i'm concerned that the creation
> of this ct list might fragment the community of ct listeners, and indeed
> negatively impact the 4ad list.  therefore, i'm willing to dissolve the
> ct list if that's what the ct community would like me to do...

Indeed. The place for CT discussions has long been the 4AD mailing list
(which I read via digest form for a very long time; much easier to deal
with the volume that way), and I don't see a lot of that focus changing
soon. In fact, when I saw the new announcement for this list, I
half-groaned. I've found most group-specific lists to be almost a waste
of time, compared to the content you (sometimes) get from lists like
4ad-l and ecto. However, I *did* sign up.

Cross-posting from list to list, however, would be a MAJOR pain for those
who belong to both, however! This is NOT a good idea.

I'm not saying shut it down; it's just that, for one reason and another,
we're probably never going to get all of the CT fans on this list and
this list only, so no matter what, discussion will be fragmented.

--
           "I'll have to find my own resolve, someday." -- htr

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:40:19 -0700
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Subject: Delivery problems with your mail


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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 13:02:46 -0700
From: "Michael S. Fischer" (msf@nsi.edu)
Subject: Re: the waxing and waning of the ct list

 from Bert Vincent Laonipon on Fri, 6 Oct 1995 14:17:13 -0400 (EDT))

>There has been some discussion lately about whether to nix the ct list.
>Personally I think the ct list is a great idea and should remain.
>However, one problem I have noticed so far is that in my mailbox, there
>are now many messages from 4AD-L and many messages from the CT List all
>jumbled together, and I can't tell which message is from which list,
>without going into the letter to see who it's "From:".  In the past,
>4AD-L was the only List I subscribed to, so I could systematically delete
>any and all mail without a CT indicator in the subject header.  Now
>however, I have noticed that many of the postings to the CT List do not
>even have the word 'Cocteau', 'CT', 'Liz', 'Robin', 'Simon', 'Pearly',
>etc. in the subject.  For example, the recent thread "Re: I want to tell
>you".  Now how is anyone supposed to know that this came from the CT
>List?  I would have deleted it, but I decided to read all my messages
>today so I wouldn't miss anything.  In summary:
>
>*** Problem:  In lieu of the subject header, there's no way to tell at a
>glance which list a message came from.
>
>*** Solution:  Is there a way to set up either the 4AD List or the Cocteau
>list to distinguish itself in the subject header?
>
>If this solution is infeasible, perhaps it is best to either (1) have
>someone or several people designated as official "forwarders" of CT mail
>from 4AD-L, or (2) dissolve the CT list.

This is all very easy to do if the list server maintainer runs
procmail on the incoming list mail spool.  It can do all of these
things automatically.

Anything that doesn't slip through the keyword catcher can be
forwarded manually by those who maintain a dual presence--in that
case, assigning one or two people might be a good idea...

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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:34:12 -0800
From: "Heileson, Thom" (heilts1@MACGWX.GHC.ORG)
Subject: S-lab/Mojave/CT


>
>has "seeperbold" been released anywhere other than the select magazine
>cassette? just wondering,

Which issue of select is this? I haven't heard about this song before; it
could be on Refried Ectoplasm I suppose (which I haven't got yet). Speaking
of which, anyone know of a US release date for RE?

-----

>
>  Can someone please verify the UK release date for Mojave?
>
>  Thanks,
>  Tom Homulka

According to the following, Jan. 16.

>From the dreampop list:

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 01:37:42 -0700 (MST)
From: Noah Slankard (slankard@PrimeNet.Com)
Subject: Re: slowdive (mojave 3?)


Here's a few quotes I pulled from the press sheet:

"I suppose it is quite a minimal record, very based in acoustic tradition.
While I was writing the songs, I was listening to quite a bit of acoustic
based music, but more than that, I think we just wanted to get back to
basics, back to writing simple, emotive songs." --Neil Halstead

"After that ("Pygmalion"), Slowdive didn't so much split as take a shift
in direction, one that a couple of the other members weren't comfortable
with. It didn't seem right to carry on with the same name, we needed to
get a fresh start and all the pieces fell into place for us to get one."
--Rachel Goswell

Anyways, the release date for the album has been pushed back to Jan. 16, '96.
The band are being brought over here for press purposes in November, so you
can expect to be seeing more of them soon.

                        Hope this helped,

                              Noah
                     (slankard@primenet.com)

-----

>
>On Thu, 5 Oct 1995 mattn@MIT.EDU wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry.  I must have joined the discussion a little too late.
>> Does this refer to the song by the French legend Serge Gainsbourg?
>
>        Yes, it is done as a duet with Dean Wareham and the female vocalist
>from Stereolab (whose name changes and escapes me at the moment.)

Currently, Laeticia Sadier. I think.

Is this a single? If so, what label is it on? As a faithful S-lab fan, my
interest has been piqued...

-----

>
>        OK. I'm new to the list, but is there a consensus out there as to
>what our favorite cocteau twins album is? I know this poses a deep,
>disturbing question in my heart....but I vote heaven or las vegas. Anyone?

What -- HoLV?!? You've got to be kidding. That was the beginning of the
Twins' downward spiral. (sigh; it's all subjective I guess)

For my money, their best is either Treasure or Victorialand. Some of those
earlier EPs are incredible as well.

BTW, I heard some time ago about a Seefeel re-working of the entire Treasure
album... anyone know of a release date for this, or if it's even really going
to happen? Thanks,

    + ---    Thom S. Heileson
   + +-             oR                 [antiAxiomaticism unlimited]
    + -    phASER@cyberspace.com

           heilts1@macgw.ghc.org

"Don't throw ashtrays at me." - Can (the most sublime lyric ever sung)

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 21:05:08 -0400
From: wendy lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: a coupla other things for sale


For you Kurt Ralske fanatics out there, I have a copy of his
old band Nothing But Happiness's LP for sale. Kurt didn't sing
or write any of the songs on it, and actually it really kinda
sucks, but if there's any diehards who just *have* to have a
komplete kurt kollection you can have this for just enough to cover
the cost of my getting it to you.

Also, if the guy who promised to buy it from me before he went
on vacation doesn't get in touch with me soon, I'll also have
one more copy of the first Lilys 7" on Slumberland, blue vinyl,
for sale.
-----
wendy

"I need the First Amendment so that I'll be able to say to people who
say things I do not agree with, `Look, you yellow-bellied son of a bitch,
you run on all fours, you molest small children, you have the mind of an
adolescent tyrant.' I need to be able to answer them back."  --Molly Ivins


Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:52:38 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: RHP reasons for leaving 4ad


So, is anybody actually going to tell us what those reasons were?

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 23:16:00 -0400
From: Bairmiami@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: rhp reasons for leaving 4ad


"Basically, Mark said that he submitted his new songs to 4AD
and they wanted him to change them, and he didn't want to,
so they parted company."

This really upsets me.  So now 4ad is infringing on artistic integrity?!
 They're turning more and more into a Soulless Megalith Record Company every
year.  Gee, didn't Lisa Germano leave Capitol because of shit like this?


Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 23:06:45 EDT
From: redacted (unknown@unknown)
Subject: Re: NEW MEDICINE ALBUM / BREEDING RITUALS OF GUINEAU CHIHUAWAS


>>  Does anyone know the tour schedule for Medicine?  They passed through
>>my hometown of Albuquerque, but I've moved to Richmond Va, and need to
>>know if they're heading out this way anytime soon.  Can someone post the
>>tour schedule?
>
>there is a tour schedule posted on the tour page at american recordings...
>
Hold up!!!... The tour schedule at american recordings is for last year's
european tour. I just don't want anyone to be fooled. They should really
update their stuff...but I know one thing that might be happening: an
upcoming tour with the group Garbage...however, from what I know it's ONLY
a possibility. Iv'e been checking Garbage's DGC/Geffen site to see when
they start their tour. And it hasen't happened as of yet.

Over and Out...Dave
>

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 23:40:14 EDT
From: redacted (unknown@unknown)
Subject: THIS BAND-GARBAGE


        What do people out there think of the band Garbage? In a way I'm
almost taken back immediately at the idea of entering a world of rolling
stone articled bands...but I got the album anyway. Theyr'e prety good. The
lyrics are kinda...poppy, girly band sounding. But the actual music is
well... prety good.
What do people think?

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 23:28:56 -0500
From: JEHEINDL@AMHERST.EDU
Subject: anon


I don't thing anybody has mentioned this item yet, but I just
received a 2-CD compilation entitled _Anon_, produced by Castle von Buhler (
anybody know who or what this is?).  The comp is extremely this-listy, and
quite beautiful to listen to.  Artists on each Cd are:

Disc One:
Lisa Germano
Sirensong
Veronica Black Morpheus Nipple
Cake Like
Chainsuck
Edsel
Turkish Delight
Lumen
Fade
Curious Ritual
Astroboy
Sextiles
Curtain Society
Worldseed
Zutrau

Disc Two
Eardrum
Vastlesssmudge
Women of Sodom
Felidae Chant
Symbn Prjct
An April March
Cinnamon
Frank Smith
The Moors
One Of Us
Rabid Ear Test
Richard Bone
Eardrum
Out of Band Experience
The Borg

The package includes a small, postcard size piece of art for every song!  It's
incredibly well-done, and the packaging is reminiscent of the work done by
Independent Project Press.  I've only listened halfway through, but it all
seems pretty darn cool.
Apparently the CD release is in conjunction with a series of concerts in Boston
this weekend, %50 of whose proceeds are donated to an AIDS Action Committe
artist/musician fund.  neat-o.

And finally, anybody heard of the band Depth from Pennsylvania?  The sound
is very reminiscent of Spirea X.

jason eugene


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