Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:07:05 -0700
> >mark's comments about their departure from 4ad were quite
> >funny :) i just hope they find a new label soon.
> My favorite one was when he said that he would tell us all
> the reasons he left the label "just to clear up all the
> internet bullshit." :)
That _was_ cute :) I think the funniest moment was when
he started singing "Lord Kill The Pain"...he introduced it
by saying "this song is really stupid", then after singing
the first couple lines he changed the words as follows
(keeping the tune of the song):
lord kill this song
i didn't want to put it on the record
but ivo made me
he said it would help us sell a million records
but it didn't
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:06:05 -0400
On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, ersatz machine voice wrote:
> Larry, who thinks Rachel is cool although her lyrics on Pygmalion were
> pretty mediocre
rachel doesnt have the capacity to be mediocre!!
she has always been amazing...
burn burn!! (in a nice way... sit down by the fire, burn
your weary mind...)
although those were the only lyrics that were thoroughly
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 02:13:03 EDT
I'm sorry. I must have joined the discussion a little too late.
Does this refer to the song by the French legend Serge Gainsbourg?
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:25:52 -0700
> My favorite one was when he said that he would tell us all the reasons he
> left the label "just to clear up all the internet bullshit." :)
Sorry, I wasn't at that show, so what WERE those reasons??
= "Wake up, see \ If there's no God, why + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists? + dread the due changes =
= done is done..." \ -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..." =
= -Ride: "Today" / Ontological Proof + -Red House Painters =
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 01:03:29 +0600
>"Heavenly Voices" I-III (Hyperion)
*Hyperion* is a classicalesque music label *Hyperium* released the
Heavenly Voices compilations.
>Stoa and Love is Colder than Death still are missing a crucial element in
>treading the same territory as Dead Can Dance. LCD get more credit, as
>they seem to play less to the goth-medievalist pretense crowd. I'll
>probably give their albums (briefly listened to in a shop) another chance.
The first two LiCtD albums, Teignmouth and Mental Traveler, are spottier
but have more atmospheric moments. I really really got into their latest
Oxeia which has a more accessible sound including a more DCD-like knack for
re-interpreting the past. I can't wait for the next album. Available from
Metropolis records for cheaper than through Projekt/Darkwave (last time i
>I wish Miranda Sex Garden would try more tracks in the style presented on
>III. I find their recent output to be dominated by, "Yes, I have a voice
>major, but I can still screech with the best of them" exercises...
My sentiments EXACTLY.
>Collection d'Arnell Andrea (on II)... I think their Villers Aux Venis album did
> very well on last year's 4ad-L poll, but I had yet to hear them. Definite
> Cocteux ear-candy. Ear/Rational carries four albums by them: Au Val des
> Roses, Les Marrionniers, Un Automine a Loroy, and Villers Aux Venis. How
> do they compare? Which should I check out first?
I have Au Val Des Roses but it kinda grates on me after a short while and
doesn't come close to what i would call Cocteux ear-candy. Based on the
track on HVII (i loved it) and the general reactions i'd bet Villers Aux
Venis is much better. Can anyone with both albums confirm/deny?
>Projekt's net associates have yet to send me a catalogue...does anyone
>have their net address?
Darkwave2@aol.com is the DARKWAVE DISTRIBUTOR not Projekt itself.
>I couldn't find Lanterna's (M7X side project) CD in the net Parasol
>catalog. Is there an alternate source. (I'd order from Henry directly,
>but I've left his email address at my last account as well...
I find that hard to believe since it's released on Parasol. I bought my
copy at the local independent store.
"Names are but Noise and Smoke, obscuring Heavenly Light." -Johann Goethe
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:41:52 -0400
I know this will annoy people because I'm not selling it.
I just want to know what it means (MAI PEN RAI?) Sounds eastern (far eastern
or middle eastern that is).
Waiting for Hurricane Opal ("Happy Nightmare Baby").
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 03:01:57 -0400
What was the first 4AD office story?
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 05:00:40 +0100
'lo there listers,
I was just wondering if there exists a place where one can get old issues
of the 4AD-L Digest? I'm afraid I didn't check the FAQ, if it says where
one can, somewhere in there, sorry.
Thanks for your help in advance,
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:12:03 +0100
I got FWW free in London when I bought the Mirror Pool.
(After going to Lisa's Union Chapel show--a great old octagonal church
venue--the lighting/emotion made her into a shimmering angel which
arose in the 4th song)
Anyway, I just wondered it was given away in the states as well.
Forgive me if this has been discussed, I just joined the list yesterday
after being off for a month.
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:41:33 -0500
has "seeperbold" been released anywhere other than the select magazine cassette?
"I don't care how it works. I just want the concept."
-House Majority Leader Dick Armey, when asked how his proposed flat
tax would work. When asked how much he would pay under the proposed
tax, he threw out numbers for 10 minutes hoping one of them would
fly. None of them did.
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 16:33:32 +0100
Just received a letter from 4AD saying that the 'This Rimy River' deluxe=20
edition is going to be released January 8th 1996. It comes in a silver foil=
hardcover and is housed in a velvet slipcase.
It's a limited edition of 400. Price: =A3 150,- excl. postage! (the same=20
amount the 'Lonely Is An Eysore' boxsets went for, back in 1987).
When I reserved a copy, back in May, it still was a limited edition of 100,=
costing =A3 100,-. Things went out of hand a bit I guess...
Due out October 23rd is the 1996 v23 Calender (49cmx35cm in a sturdy=20
carton). Price: =A3 15,- excl. postage.
The information sheet says: "Oliver rates this production among the studio's=
most challenging designs."
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:41:44 -0400
I haven't been keeping up with the mail, so forgive me if this has been
Great show lined up for Halloween at Mama Kin in Boston:
our pals from Bedazzled The Curtain Society open for the Legendary Pink
Dots!! I can't wait! Anyone planning to go who's driving through the
Amherst area to get there? I'd love to carpool...Heather
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 19:49:20 +0100
The new version of the Charlatans Discography is ready to go. The
new version is v1.1 and contains a bunch of straightened out
question marks as well as new information regarding live performances
and compilation appearences.
To receive the new version, please email me (email@example.com)
and if you want to be on the distribution mailing list let me know
by saying so in your email as well.
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 13:30:50 -0700
>Just received a letter from 4AD saying that the 'This Rimy River' deluxe=20
>edition is going to be released January 8th 1996. It comes in a silver foil=
>hardcover and is housed in a velvet slipcase.
>It's a limited edition of 400. Price: =A3 150,- excl. postage! (the same=20
>amount the 'Lonely Is An Eysore' boxsets went for, back in 1987).
>When I reserved a copy, back in May, it still was a limited edition of 100,=
>costing =A3 100,-. Things went out of hand a bit I guess...
Will there be extra art in here that is not included in the regular
addition, or is the cover and slipcase the only addition?
Also, does anybody know how hard the 1996 calendar will be to come by in the=
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:04:04 EDT
Can someone please verify the UK release date for Mojave?
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:41:42 -0700
> What was the first 4AD office story?
sorry, guess i was a little vague. I meant I like Ivo's little stories
about 4AD. Like seeing Lisa Germano (maybe) as she was coming out of the
restroom and being in the same room as Ivo W-R. I can't be the only
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 16:05:53 -0700
Okay... I think someone over at Reckless Records was smoking crack, because
I just bought a copy there of Lilliput 1 & 2 for $99, which is about half
the price I've seen it elsewhere.
On an entirely different note, has anyone ever seen or heard this mythic
single by the Lillies that came with the soccer fanzine? Not only have I
never seen it anywhere (which is typical of some of the rarer 4AD stuff, I
realize), but I haven't even ever heard of anyone anywhere hearing it. Just
Jake, who's still searching desperately for the 13 yr. itch :(
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:23:47 +0100
>>Just received a letter from 4AD saying that the 'This Rimy River' deluxe=
>>edition is going to be released January 8th 1996. It comes in a silver=
>>hardcover and is housed in a velvet slipcase.
>>It's a limited edition of 400. Price: =A3 150,- excl. postage! (the same=
>>amount the 'Lonely Is An Eysore' boxsets went for, back in 1987).
>>When I reserved a copy, back in May, it still was a limited edition of=
>>costing =A3 100,-. Things went out of hand a bit I guess...
>Will there be extra art in here that is not included in the regular
>addition, or is the cover and slipcase the only addition?
The info sheet says:
"The original page designs have been overprinted with two new layers of=20
artwork. The first overprint, in black, utileses enlarged details of=20
archival artwork wich virtually obliterate the existing illustrations and=20
text. This, in turn, is overlaid with one large word per page, running=20
bottom to top in translucent bronze ink. The words are an extract from=20
Victoria Mitchell's poem 'Darest Vaya Con Dios Darling', which inspired the=
exhibition title 'This Rimy River'.
The resulting palimpsest, more painting than book, is finished with end=20
papers that incorporate snapshots of the LA show bound in a pattered silver=
foil hardcover and housed in a luxurious velvet slipcase."
As I said, the price is =A3 150,- + international registerd insurance: =A3=
for Europe, =A3 16.00 for USA/Canada and =A3 19,00 for the rest of the=
I don't know the precise =A3-$ exchange rate, but this baby will cost you=
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:03:43 -0700
I just rejoined the list, mainly because I just bought Twinlights last
night. I liked it -- and I'm someone who was very disappointed by the
therapy-speak of Four-Calendar Cafe. I see them as having moved through
the personal difficulties at the time of that record into a new period.
On the other hand, maybe I was unduly influenced in thinking that by
reading the recent interview in the NME (or was it MM?) Though there are
vestiges of the psychobabble cliches of Four-Calendar Cafe, I don't find
that too obtrusive.
I don't know if anyone's pointed this out, but the release of two four-song
EPs is very similar to the release 10 years ago of Tiny Dynamine and Echoes
In A Shallow Bay -- and the other echo of that is the reappearance of Pink
Orange Red. Something about the keyboard sound was also backwards looking --
bringing to mind the Budd collaboration, and the lack of drums is
Victorialand-like. Despite this, and as is typical with Cocteau Twins
records, the songs on the record are of a piece, sounding more like each
other than like pieces on other of their records.
Last night at Reckless Records in San Francisco, I noticed they had a couple
of copies of a live Cocteau Twins CD -- a recording from 1986, supposedly
limited to 1000 copies (the two xeroxed sleves they had out had different
numbers on them.) It was about $23. I didn't buy one, and I absolutely
won't go get it for anyone, but if someone's in the Bay Area and wants to
get it for themselves, it's there.
Has this group discussed Faye Wong's cover of Bluebeard? It's on the Chung
King Express soundtrack (though I don't recall hearing it in the movie.) In
a way, I felt her version saved it from the problems of Four-Calendar Cafe
by rendering the lyrics once more un-understandable (to this non-Chinese
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 19:48:09 -0400
>The October 17th release date is false. The release date is January '96.
What, even for Europe and the UK? And once again, can someone post the
Mojave line-up please - Neil, Rachel and ...?
>I've met some real assholes who like a lot of the same
>music I do,
The worst kind are the ones who are friends at first and then borrow yer CDs
and don't give them back
>whereas some of my best friends aren't much interested in
>music at all.
I can't understand people like that...
Yet more thoughts on Twinlights, which I picked up yesterday:
The piano does sound a bit iffy, but it's still far from Billy Joel. The
opening lines of Alfkean Heart :) leapt out at me, but probably because
they've been discussed so much here. The actual words didn't bother me as
much as the way Liz sings them - the little pause after "transcendent" and
the way she enunciates the word "experiences" sounds a bit precious. I
suspect it isn't her at all, but Kate Bush (after all, that's the kind of
lyrics she would write). The new version of Pink Orange Red gave me
goosebumps, but on the second listen in another room I decided that I was
just cold the first time. As for the sleeve, the rose on the inside does
look a bit New Order/PSA-like, but for some reason the front reminds me of a
cross between a botany textbook and whatever that Stranglers album was with
the roses on the cover. I'm not making any sense, am I? The EP *is* starting
to grow on me, though.
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:58:49 EDT
----- Begin Included Message -----
>From concert!AMERICAN.EDU!owner-4ad-l Wed Oct 4 20:41:04 1995
>about the kendra smith collector cards, i have two sets of them somewhere
>back of my car. they should still be in perfect condition, even though i did
>move a couple of months ago. if anyone wants one, i can dig them out. by the
>way, they are free; and please, only reply if you really want them, not because
>you could get something for free.
I'd be interested in these. The art is by v23, right?
----- End Included Message -----
sorry, but they have already been claimed. i'm almost positive the cards were
done by bruce litcher(sp?) at ipr.
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:07:49 -0700
On Thu, 5 Oct 1995 mattn@MIT.EDU wrote:
> I'm sorry. I must have joined the discussion a little too late.
> Does this refer to the song by the French legend Serge Gainsbourg?
Yes, it is done as a duet with Dean Wareham and the female vocalist
from Stereolab (whose name changes and escapes me at the moment.)
Someone mentioned finding the song incredibly ...uh...sensuous.
Well..., it is sung in french, has a man and woman singing, there are no
snare drums and it has a cello playing throughout the whole thing. THAT
is a recipe for ...uh...sensuality.
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:16:27 +0900
recently i've heared "Rare Two" tape thet got through my friend. in which
much i favor of "and David seamean won't be very happy about that" of unit
called "The Lillies". Only three line note tell me some information about
"The Lillies" according to line, the unit constituent are miki from lush,
Simon from cocteaou's, Kevin and Russel from moose.
line note also tell me that this unit is only "one-off''. Does anyone have
some information about this unit? lika any other material or any shows that
they played on and like that.
thanx in advance.
# naoyuki fukumoto
# firstname.lastname@example.org PXY13026@niftyserve.or.jp
# tokyo national univ. of fine arts & music
# coma graphics - integrated graphic laboratory
# W*3 : Transvision Criteria http://www.win.or.jp/~nao
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 22:51:35 EDT
OK. I'm new to the list, but is there a consensus out there as to
what our favorite cocteau twins album is? I know this poses a deep,
disturbing question in my heart....but I vote heaven or las vegas. Anyone?
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:25:22 EDT
>David Karevicius asks:
>> Is anyone out there into the band MEDICINE? Because if you do like
>>medicine, the your'e definitely a person I can like... a lot.
>There was some major discussion here (a full-on flame war, in fact) of
>Medicine in 1993, during which the band were compared by various people
>to God or to Led Zeppelin.
>More recently, there were some bad reviews of the new album, by people
>disappointed by its relative lack of noise -- I myself just bought the
>album this morning, and on first listen I like it more than I thought I
>would based on the reviews. The quantity of distortion is less, but it's
>still being used effectively, and the songs themselves are good.
Thanks for the feedback! I totally agree that shot forth self
medicine's best all around album, but I also think that they have continued with
the shot forth vibe on many songs from all their accompanying albums...the
pink, lime 6, I feel nothing at all...This is all still great stuff. The
thing is, I kind of enjoy the "killing softly" vibe on some of their more
poppy song like "live it down" and "candy candy" especially. It's sad to
hear that people have let go of their God theories. Beth Thompson truly is
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:05:52 EDT
Those of you familliar with the new medicine album("HER HIGHNESS"),
what do you think? I get the feeling that there aren't too many medicine
fans out there anymore. Is it because everyone just thinks they've lost
their PUNCH?! Your'e WRONG! Medicine's new album is incredible in it's own
light. I get the feeling that Brad Laner is a person who is bored having a
static style of music. Everybody HAS to check out medicine once