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Subject: Re: Lonely is an Eyesore ltd. ed. 4AD comp. avail. (fwd)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 22:24:58 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: o.j. spammage
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 22:11:55 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: o.j. spammage
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:35:33 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: rhp in sf / facing the wrong way
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:39:51 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: o.j. spammage
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 00:13:41 -0400
From: "Scorpio M." (99barwik@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: items for sale
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 00:12:05 +0200
From: section25 (SECTION25@IDS.NET)
Subject: some thislisty So. California shows
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 21:47:27 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: rhp in sf / facing the wrong way
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 23:55:47 -0700
From: Doraemon (zorg@ALOIS.ICON.PALO-ALTO.MED.VA.GOV)
Subject: Luna, Cocteaus, Autechre, The Lou Dylan Experience
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:14:25 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Alanis Moron-ette/OJ to 4AD
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 06:42:10 -0400
From: ersatz machine voice (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: This year's Guernica?
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 11:50:41 -0700
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Non-Listy (Only read if OJ is on your mind)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 03:58:28 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Msg. for Mike Garrett only!!!
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 12:58:40 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Alanis / Exotica
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:25:29 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Velvet Underground box
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:05:39 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: bonnie and clyde, apology
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:16:27 -0400
From: NWND@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Subject: MEDICINE
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 12:31:31 EDT
From: David Karevicius (unknown@unknown)
Subject: Re: Bonnie and Clyde, another apology
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:22:25 -0700
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: i want mojave too"
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:58:54 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: items for sale
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:59:16 EDT
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.COM)
Subject: Re: o.j. spammage, *invisible ghosts*
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:27:54 -0500
From: Kendal Obermeyer (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Bedazzled Fall .....
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 12:01:53 EST
From: Lawren Wu (lwu@WI.MIT.EDU)
Subject: Kendra Cards
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:53:10 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Rainier Maria Rilke
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:59:34 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: items for sale
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:41:11 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: some thislisty So. California shows
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:04:12 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: items for sale
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:38:01 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Red House Painters Please
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:35:35 -0700
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: MEDICINE
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 14:00:03 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: numbering system
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:45:35 -0700
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: some thislisty So. California shows
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 14:08:47 -0700
From: "li'l cricket k and john" (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Belly "Moon" CD
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 21:32:29 -0400
From: wendy lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: Red House Painters Please
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 22:02:42 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: ok, this is the pops....
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 12:23:33 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Paula Frazer 7" and new Kranky CD
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 19:36:12 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Rainier Maria Rilke
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:15:32 -0700
From: kenneth (nneth@CONNECTUS.COM)

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 22:24:58 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Lonely is an Eyesore ltd. ed. 4AD comp. avail. (fwd)


Not a dumb question (no such thing).

Not the big kahuna (that I've seen for upwards of $2000). This is LTD. Ed.
Vinyl with Gatefold Inside/more elaborate Artwork and 12" version of the
booklet (design a tad different) from the CD Book. If you are into vinyl and
4AD, essential. Don't spend more than $25 -$30 as I've seen it from
collectors at such prices. Love it.

Gracias,

Ry

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 22:11:55 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: o.j. spammage


On Tue, 3 Oct 1995,  wrote:

> Actually I think that O.J. should either join The Village People or Pearl
> Jam. Does anyone agree or am i speaking to invisible ghosts as usual?
>
Tonight on Politically Incorrect w/ Bill Maher (on Comedy Central; one of
the rare good shows they have) Bill asked what everyone thought OJ would
be doing in five years. One guy said, "He'll still be invited to fancy
dinners. They'll just give him plastic cutlery."

Martin


Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:35:33 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: o.j. spammage


>Actually I think that O.J. should either join The Village People or Pearl
>Jam. Does anyone agree or am i speaking to invisible ghosts as usual?

Or maybe My Bloody Valentine.  Sorry.

Jake

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:39:51 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: rhp in sf / facing the wrong way


>i believe someone mentioned the rhp show in sf this past
>weekend.  i wanted to chip in my two cents...
>
>the show was _terrific_.  They played for 3 hrs and 21 min
>by my watch.  it seemed like about half the songs they played
>as a band went over the 10-minute mark.  they played really
>epic versions of some old songs (evil, medicine bottle,
>down colorful hill, etc.) plus some great new songs.
>
>mark's comments about their departure from 4ad were quite
>funny :)  i just hope they find a new label soon.

My favorite one was when he said that he would tell us all the reasons he
left the label "just to clear up all the internet bullshit." :)

Jake


Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 00:13:41 -0400
From: "Scorpio M." (99barwik@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: o.j. spammage


On Tue, 3 Oct 1995,  wrote:

> Actually I think that O.J. should either join The Village People or Pearl
> Jam. Does anyone agree or am i speaking to invisible ghosts as usual?
>
It's not thislisty, but I really am not concerned.  Yes, I could see how
he could find a pathetic little niche with these groups of sorry individuals.
(well, I don't know if "individuals" is the correct term when referring
to pearl jam,....)
        Judge Ito just got a nice little deposit in his savings account,
I'm certain.  ......love that racism.



                                        ----most commonly voice-less lurker,

                                                                joy

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 00:12:05 +0200
From: section25 (SECTION25@IDS.NET)
Subject: items for sale


i know that certain people have expressed a dislike for auctions, so I
will only post this once. (therefore only requiring one press of the "D"
key located towards the left of your keyboard).  Anyway, I have the
following items for sale/bid.

remember kids...only email me PRIVATELY, not to the list!

dirt issue #69 with 'soil samples' split 7"
     featuring Tarantion "don't fancy me"
     and Liquorice "team player" both remixed
     by our pal Warren DeFever.  Yellow vinyl.

Kendra Smith "Five Ways Of Disappearing" promo
     advance cd complete with 3 hand letterpress
     printed collector cards, still wrapped in
     paper.  very rare!

Kendra Smith "Valley of The Morning Sun" 2 song
     promo cd.

Air Miami "I hate Milk" 1 song promo cd.

Frank Black "Headache" EP (BAD 4007) 4 songs.

Lisa Germano "Cry Wolf" EP.  promo only. 4 songs
     unreleased non-album tracks/remixes.

Dead Can Dance "American Dreaming" 1 song promo CD

Wolfgang Press "Standing Up Straight" CD

Liquorice "Cheap Cuts" 5 song promo CD with ESP
     remixes!!!

The Moon And The Melodies "moon and the melodies" UK CD


it pains me to sell these, but i need to eat.

if interested, please email me!
oh yeah, i will also pay for postage.

section25@ids.net

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 21:47:27 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: some thislisty So. California shows


I was looking at the show lists at the radio station today.
Someone may find something good to see. hopefully

10/19 Luna, Air Miami; The Roxy
10/20 Medicine, Sixteen Deluxe, Long Fin Killie; The Whiskey
10/20 IPR Night: Scenic, Deception Bay, A Produce; Spaceland
10/25 Lisa Gerrard; Wiltern Theater
11/1  Bjork, rescheduled; Hollywood Palladium
11/10 Sonic Youth, The Amps, Bikini Kill; Hollywood Palladium
      (Is this Kim Deal or no?)
Nov.  Lloyd Cole, Ivy; The Roxy
      (Maybe I'll be able to see Ivy this time, they've been touring for ever!)
      (Or do they live in S. California now?)
Nov.  Spiritualized, Polara; The Whiskey
      (Polara. This guy, Ed Ackerson, absolutely rocks. I haven't seen them
      live, but his single(s?) and CD are great.)

-nick


Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 23:55:47 -0700
From: Doraemon (zorg@ALOIS.ICON.PALO-ALTO.MED.VA.GOV)
Subject: Re: rhp in sf / facing the wrong way

              "PLOCKE.US.ORACLE.COM" at Oct 3, 95 09:09:03 am

PLOCKE.US.ORACLE.COM said:
>
> mark's comments about their departure from 4ad were quite
> funny :)  i just hope they find a new label soon.

Especially funny was Mark's improvisation during Lord Kill the Pain:

I didn't want to put this song on the record
But Ivo made me
He said it would sell a million copies
Of course it didn't

> mark and jerry did part of "dueling banjos", with mark on
> guitar and jerry on bass;

Or as Mark put it, 'Dueling Fucking Rock Guitar and Bass.'

> they played part of "war pigs",
> which is some metal song i don't know;

This was actually another Black Sabbath song, Sweet Leaf, the only
cover of the evening, aside from the aforementioned Banjos.  I was
hoping for Silly Love Songs, but likely it's something they've not
had time to work on as a band.

Ed
--
Edward Wakabayashi                    /\
Sleep Lab, x4227                      \/      La-la-la-la-la di-da
zorg@alois.icon.palo-alto.med.va.gov  /\         --
or just shout 'Hey-up Ed!'            \/


Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:14:25 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Luna, Cocteaus, Autechre, The Lou Dylan Experience

              "David Mccallum" at Oct 3, 95 04:00:39 pm

David Mccallum  wrote:
 >
 > Is the full-length any good?  I have liked their other stuff and
 > love this single but all the reviews of the full-length have
 > been negative.

Yes, it is - I'd say it's the best thing they have done so far.  There
are better songs on "Lunapark", but that album is a more patchy affair.

 > David, who could peel the banana on and off the cover of the
 > Velvet Underground's box set all day long

I haven't had the courage to try this yet - I'm still struggling to
digest the full six hours of music.  Listened to the first CD of demos
last night - "Prominent Men" is a poor Dylan copy, and Lou sings most of
his songs in a horrible Bob-style whine, I think that disc could have
done with some editing (do we really need six takes of Lou whining his
way through a countrified "All Tomorrow's Parties"?).  Some of the other
stuff on the box is superb, though - "Guess I'm Falling in Love",
"Booker T", some of the "Loaded" out-takes, and it's nice to have the
closet mix of the third album on CD at last.

Cocteaus news - today's NME confirms that the UK Fruitopia ad is a
specially written piece, and that there are no plans to release it
commercially (this is from a TV tunes expert, and their record company).
Liz has apparently recorded three tracks with the Bathers - name is
familiar, does anyone know any more?

And finally, the electronic section.  Node have just released their
album, called "Node", imaginatively.  Ed Buller, Flood and a couple of
others improvising on antique synthesisers, ring modulated trumpet and
so on - sounds very good, in a bleepy whooshing burbling kind of way.
Autechre's latest I'm not sure about - "Anvil Vapre" has rather too many
bonk-splat-squeak Aphexisms, not that I mind too much, but Autechre have
always had a bit more subtlety than that.  Perhaps with a few more
listens I'll like it more.  35 minutes long, by the way - two 12"
singles have the same tracks, 1+4 or 2+3.

--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Andrew Norman                       Senior Computer Officer
nja@le.ac.uk                        Engineering Department
Tel. (0116 252) 2563                University of Leicester
                                    Leicester LE1 7RH


Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 06:42:10 -0400
From: ersatz machine voice (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Alanis Moron-ette/OJ to 4AD


>> >ps - I heard alannis morissette was an actress...
>
>> awful 17-year-old Paula Abdul/Tiffany type Top 40/dance arteeste...until she
>> suddenly, conveniently and commerciallyviably went Alternative(tm)
>
>Now she just sounds like Taylor Dane.
>Alternative my ass.      ^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You are correct on both counts! The sooner people outside Canada realise
what a prefabricated fake she is, the better (although even the British
music press seems to have fallen for it). Not only does she sound like
Taylor Dane, in her new video where she doesn't seem to be wearing any
makeup, she looks like Roland Orzabal from Tears for Fears. "I've got one
hand in my pocket"...and the other one's flipping you the bird, ya big
alterna-fraud...

>Wouldn't it be great if O.J. released a record on 4AD?

Well, considering the talent he showed in that workout video, no...I *do*
think Marcia Clark would be a good replacement for Kelley Deal

Larry, who thinks Rachel is cool although her lyrics on Pygmalion were
pretty mediocre

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 11:50:41 -0700
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: This year's Guernica?


anybody know if there are plans for guernica releases this year. or has
the imprint been knocked on the head?

and whatever happened to the temporary tad things, are there going to
be any more of those or was that another failed experiment?

btw mr. norman, how much was the vu box? and is it worth getting if you
already have all the previously available stuff (except the dodgy reunion
thing)

andyx
(a.dean@uk22p.bull.co.uk)
seven seconds of agony, seven seconds of liquid bliss...

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 03:58:28 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Non-Listy (Only read if OJ is on your mind)


Seen quite a few messages on O J today. Anyone care to comment/speculate.
(guilty / not guilty | money | race | celeb.) ?


** Private E-mail please.**


Chris_Ayres.JNB01@intl.rx.xerox.com


"Kill your Wife" - The Bomb Party  (1985)
"People are People" - DM (1984)
"MR 44" - Electric Hellfire Club (1993)
"1963" - New Order (1987)


Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 12:58:40 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Msg. for Mike Garrett only!!!


Sorry to all the 4AD-L digest mode people, but I have to send this message
via the 4AD-L, because I can't reach Mike via private e-mail.

Mike,

I'm trying to e-mail you at MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU, but got my mail returned (3
times), including the message:

>The message could not be delivered to:
>  %MAIL-E-USERSPEC, invalid user specification '@AOL.COM'
> id <01HW021TO28G00DY8T@DEPAUW.EDU>; Tue, 03 Oct 1995 11:02:45 >-0500 (EST)
> (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 16:59:32 >+0100

Do you have any idea what's going wrong? Please mail me.

Frank
++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:25:29 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Alanis / Exotica


Thad opines:
>Now she just sounds like Taylor Dane.
>Alternative my ass.

Aw, I kind of like her mega-smash-hit song. It's interesting to see how
female rage has been legitimized in mersh music; did PJ Harvey lead the
way? Whatever you may think of the merits of A.M., the venom level in
that song is pretty hair raising. I like the way the boy deejays feel
threatened by it, based on their attempts to joke it off in their lame
comments after the song ends.

And just so this is marginally thislisty, let me recommend the soundtrack
to the film "Exotica". The film is terrific and I hope everyone saw it,
but the soundtrack album works well by itself too. About half the songs
are Arabic/Indian style synth-dance music (tho written by a Canadian, but
the vocals and some of the instruments are authentic) and the other half
are moody bits of atmosphere, often with a similarly Exotic tone. There's
tremendous opportunity for cheesiness in combining synthesizers with
world music, Mychael Danna has largely pulled it off (and anyway, a lot
of authentic world music such as Rai often has far cheesier arrangements...)

--Jens /hasn't imported his .signature into Claris eMailer yet/

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:05:39 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Velvet Underground box

              at Oct 4, 95 11:50:41 am

Andrew Dean  wrote:
>
> btw mr. norman, how much was the vu box? and is it worth getting if you
> already have all the previously available stuff (except the dodgy reunion
> thing)

One of the ads in the back of the NME is asking forty quid for it, I
paid a bit more but then I was paid last week and I just don't care,
basically.  Whether it is worth getting depends on your level of
VU-obsessiveness - I don't regret buying it.  The Australian "What Goes
On" set has a few things which aren't on this one - live "Afterhours"
and "I'm Sticking with You", radio ads, taped conversations, mono mixes
of the first album - but it's really not worth it in comparison with
"Peel Slowly and See..."

Here's what is on it, with comments:

Disc 1:

Venus in Furs - 3 takes (John on vocals)
Prominent Men - 1 take (Lou), Lou also plays Dylan-style harmonica
Heroin - 2 takes and a few false starts (Lou)
I'm Waiting for the Man - 2 takes and a false start (Lou)
Wrap Your Troubles in Dreams - 2 takes, umpteen false starts (John)
All Tomorrow's Parties - 5 takes, thousands of false starts (Lou)
  All recorded at John Cale's loft by John, Lou and Sterling, Angus
  Maclise was the drummer at the time but wasn't there.  Mostly just
  guitar and voice, with some viola.  Recording quality isn't bad, but
  it's obvious that they were still learning the songs.  Lou's singing
  is a horrible sub-Dylan nasal whine on a lot of these takes, while
  John's singing is heavenly - it makes you wonder why he only did a
  couple of vocals with the band.

Disc 2:

All Tomorrow's Parties (single edit)
The "banana" album.
  The double vocal "All Tomorrow's Parties" has been restored (the
  standard CD has a single vocal version).
Melody Laughter (live)
  Recording of an EPI performance, fairly loose instrumental, poor
  recording quality, ten minutes long.
It Was a Pleasure Then, Chelsea Girls
  From Nico's "Chelsea Girl"

Disc 3:

There is No Reason, Sheltered Life, It's All Right (The Way That You
Live), I'm Not Too Sorry (Now That You're Gone), Here She Comes Now
  All these are demos, dodgy recording quality, and not very good songs.
  "Here She Comes Now" has different and more complex lyrics.
  "Sheltered Life" features a kazoo solo.  These songs sound like the
  sort of thing Lou was knocking out before he joined the Velvets, and
  the sort of thing he has churned out since to fill the gaps between
  good songs on his solo albums.
Guess I'm Falling in Love, Booker T
  Yes!  GIFIL has vocals, BT is an instrumental (half of which turned up
  on one of John Cale's solo albums), both of these are live, and are
  the VU at their heaviest and best.
"White Light / White Heat" album.
Stephanie Says, Temptation Inside Your Heart, Hey Mr Rain (version 1)
  From "VU" or "Another View".  Exit John Cale.

Disc 4:

What Goes On (live)
  Poor quality, but a storming performance, with "I Heard Her Call My
  Name" style guitar solos.
The third album.
  "Closet" mix, which features a different take of "Some Kinda Love" to
  the Valentin mix on the standard CD.
Foggy Notion, I Can't Stand It, I'm Sticking With You, One of These Days,
Lisa Says
  From "VU" or "Another View"
It's Just Too Much
  Live, from one of the performances which were used for "1969 live",
  but not the version on that album.
Countess From Hong Kong
  Demo of a song co-written by John, but with Doug Yule on bass.

Disc 5:

"Loaded" album.
  With "full length" versions of "Sweet Jane" and "New Age".  The latter
  has a couple of extra "It's the beginning of a new age" lines before
  the fade, "Sweet Jane" has the "heavenly wine and roses" section
  restored - I'm not at all sure I like this, as it seems a bit rougher
  than the rest of the song.
Satellite of Love, Walk and Talk, Oh Gin, Sad Song, Ocean,
Ride into the Sun
  "Loaded" out-takes, variable quality.  "Ocean" has organ and viola
  overdubs by John Cale, who was brought in by the group's manager to
  try to rekindle the flame.  The other songs have quite different
  lyrics to the ones which appear on Lou's solo albums.  The only one
  which would have fitted on "Loaded" is "Ride into the Sun", which is
  superb.  "Ocean" is quite good, but the fact that Moe didn't play
  drums on any of these tracks is obvious when you compare it to the
  version on "VU".
Some Kinda Love, I'll Be Your Mirror
  From the final gig at Max's - SKL is ten minutes long and not very
  good, IBYM is from the "Live at Max's" album.
I Love You
  Another out-take.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 04/10/95
On my walkman this morning : MBV - Loveless
Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,


Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:16:27 -0400
From: NWND@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Subject: bonnie and clyde, apology


apparently yhere is a bonnie and clyde single, apart from the version feature
on three stories...sorry for the misinformation...peace all


bryan


"some people talk like babies, others say nothing at all"
                                                      -d. wareham


Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 12:31:31 EDT
From: David Karevicius (unknown@unknown)
Subject: MEDICINE


        Is anyone out there into the band MEDICINE? Because if you do like
medicine, the your'e definitely a person I can like... a lot. I saw one of
their
shows in Providence RI and it was totally totally incredible. I see that theyr'e
going to be somewhere in california on 10/20. If you don't know about this
band, CHECK THEM OUT! If you do know about them, then drop me a line. See
you then!


Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:22:25 -0700
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: Bonnie and Clyde, another apology


        Apologies again, as I gave the wrong track listing of the
Beggar's Banquet single.

        Bonnie and Clyde (version)
        Chinatown
        Thank You For Sending Me An Angel - Talking Heads cover
        Bonnie and Clyde (version)

        It is a UK import.  A BBQ number.

        Yours,
        David.

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:58:54 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: i want mojave too"


The October 17th release date is false.  The release date is January '96.

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:59:16 EDT
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.COM)
Subject: Re: items for sale


about the kendra smith collector cards, i have two sets of them somewhere in the
back of my car.  they should still be in perfect condition, even though i did
move a couple of months ago.  if anyone wants one, i can dig them out.  by the
way, they are free; and please, only reply if you really want them, not because
you could get something for free.

alan
alan@msai.com

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:27:54 -0500
From: Kendal Obermeyer (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: o.j. spammage, *invisible ghosts*

              Oct 4, 95 00:13:41 am

>
Good term, 'invisible ghosts'.  There seems to be a prerequisite gripe
factor on lots of stuff here or it gets ignored.  Two posts of mine
were completely bypassed :) as per usual. Catherine Wheel trivia and
the 4AD madlib...remember these?  I await subsequent abuse,  but hey,
I *heart* elitist-stomping :)
                        *Kendalabra*

> On Tue, 3 Oct 1995,  wrote:
>
> > Actually I think that O.J. should either join The Village People or Pearl
> > Jam. Does anyone agree or am i speaking to invisible ghosts as usual?
> >                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   It's not thislisty, but I really am not concerned.  Yes, I could see how
> he could find a pathetic little niche with these groups of sorry individuals.
> (well, I don't know if "individuals" is the correct term when referring
> to pearl jam,....)
>         Judge Ito just got a nice little deposit in his savings account,
> I'm certain.  ......love that racism.
>
>
>
>                                         ----most commonly voice-less lurker,
>
>                                                                 joy
>


Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 12:01:53 EST
From: Lawren Wu (lwu@WI.MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Bedazzled Fall .....


>Bedazzled is indeed shifting into high gear for the Fall.  The new
>Mistle Thrush, Silt, came out the first week of September and will
>certainly be our biggest release to date.  CMJ gave it a glowing review
>and Alternative Press has a profile article coming out in a month or
>two.  MT is doing some touring this month stopping in Richmond, DC,
>Columbus, Pittsburgh, Detroit and a few others ... check our server for
>details.

I have the Mistle Thrush album, and I wholeheartedly endorse it.  It's very
thislisty -- thoughtful, guitar-based alterna-pop w/female vocals, one
interesting percussion/noise-based song.

Lawren
lwu@wi.mit.edu

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:53:10 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Kendra Cards


More about these cards (since hardly anyone's mentioned them):

They are somewhat larger than normal postcards, and are typical
Bruce Licher / Independent Project Press material, ie. letterpress.
They depict a variety of airships.

brant


Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:59:34 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Rainier Maria Rilke


>Besides the wonderful Duino Elegies (that he wrote
>when was a guest  in the castle of the German noble family
>Turn-und-Taxies (please, any German list member correct me!!!!)

Thurn und Taxis. Read Thomas Pynchon's hilarious novel "The Crying of Lot
49" for more info than you ever wanted to know about this family and how
they secretly control the world.

--Jens


Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:41:11 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: items for sale


>dirt issue #69 with 'soil samples' split 7"
>     featuring Tarantion "don't fancy me"
>     and Liquorice "team player" both remixed
>     by our pal Warren DeFever.  Yellow vinyl.
>

>Liquorice "Cheap Cuts" 5 song promo CD with ESP
>     remixes!!!

What songs are on the Liquorice promo?  And how much are you asking for
these two items?

Thanks,
Jake Reichert
reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu


Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:04:12 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: some thislisty So. California shows


This isn't really thislisty, but should be real fun:

10/27 My Life With the Thrill Kill Kult w/ Eve's Plum and Traci Lords
        Hollywood Grand, Hollywood and La Brea, Hollywood.


I'll be at this show...and hopefully the Luna one too if I can weasel
some tix outta my boss...


Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:38:01 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: items for sale


>about the kendra smith collector cards, i have two sets of them somewhere
in the
>back of my car.  they should still be in perfect condition, even though i did
>move a couple of months ago.  if anyone wants one, i can dig them out.  by the
>way, they are free; and please, only reply if you really want them, not because
>you could get something for free.

I'd be interested in these.  The art is by v23, right?

Thanks,
Jake
Jake Reichert                   |  I used to be indecisive/
reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu      |  But now I'm not so sure...
                                |                    -The The
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                     "LONELY IS AS LONELY DOES"
B.C. Gilbert/G. Lewis ------------------------    The Happy Family
A=====================================V  Bulgarian Voices | Pixies
|          |              |   ____    |  Bauhaus |  Frazier Chorus
|     /|   |      /\      |  |    \   |  Michael Brook |  Spirea X
|    / |   |     /  \     |  |     \  |  The Breeders |  Colourbox
|   /  |   |    /    \    |  |      | |  Dead Can Dance |  Dif Juz
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X Mal Deutschland | Dance Chapter | Insides |   The Birthday Party
Ultra Vivid Scene | Unrest | Pieter Nooten/Michael Brook | Swallow
Modern English |  Budd/Fraser/Guthrie/Raymonde |  This Mortal Coil
The Wolfgang Press | Richenel  |  HIs Name Is Alive |  Pale Saints
The Glee Club    ---------------------------------    Colin Newman
                       "LONELY IS AN EYESORE"


Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:35:35 -0700
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Red House Painters Please


I enjoyed reading the reviews/descriptions of rhp shows that were posted
last week, mainly because I haven't yet seen them live myself.  But I
haven't heard anything in a while.  Is this "tour" still going on?  And
does anyone know if it will ever LEAVE CALIFORNIA?!  Come on mark, you've
stayed at home long enough.  It's time to come up north to Seattle!

Aaron

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 14:00:03 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: MEDICINE


David Karevicius asks:
>        Is anyone out there into the band MEDICINE? Because if you do like
>medicine, the your'e definitely a person I can like... a lot.

There was some major discussion here (a full-on flame war, in fact) of
Medicine in 1993, during which the band were compared by various people
to God or to Led Zeppelin.
More recently, there were some bad reviews of the new album, by people
disappointed by its relative lack of noise -- I myself just bought the
album this morning, and on first listen I like it more than I thought I
would based on the reviews. The quantity of distortion is less, but it's
still being used effectively, and the songs themselves are good.

Oh, and I'd watch out for deciding to like people based simply on their
musical tastes! I've met some real assholes who like a lot of the same
music I do, whereas some of my best friends aren't much interested in
music at all.

--Jens


Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:45:35 -0700
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: numbering system


Here's a question that will look familiar to [someone] on the list.  Not
a very important one, I'll admit.  But I'm curious.  What does everyone
think 4ad will do with the numbering system in 5 years?  add another zero
perhaps?  Maybe Ivo can ask the other Ivo this question if the two ever meet.

Aaron
looking forward to another 4ad office story


Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 14:08:47 -0700
From: "li'l cricket k and john" (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: some thislisty So. California shows


  is lisa gerrard on sale yet? and if so, how much are the tix?

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 21:32:29 -0400
From: wendy lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Belly "Moon" CD


Hi, if anyone wants to take this off my hands, email me (NOT the list)

It's a Sire promo with "Are You Experienced," three versions of "It's
Not Unusual" and three versions of "Full Moon Empty Heart"

Highest offer gets it, no minimum as long as it covers the envelope
& postage...
-----
wendy

"There's a very fine line between being artistic and being a dickhead"
                                                         --Peter Hook


Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 22:02:42 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Red House Painters Please

              

Does anyone know if the RHP's are going anywhere near michigan or chicago?


Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 12:23:33 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: ok, this is the pops....


I was gonna bring the cds along with me, but forgot, like a loser... I'll
go from memory as best I can:

BAD 5012:  Scheer, Schism EP

This is a four song ep (the fourth track clocks in at 10:00 or so with an
extra little track at the end of some british guy reading a poem or
something).  the first song is the song from "...think I'm getting the
hang of it", Sometimes?  Yeah, I think that's the name.  The second and
fourth songs are a lot like that, kinda grungy loud feedbacky wailing
guitars with female vocals.  The third song is a pretty ballady song with
all of the guitar noise swept briskly away.  Baby Size ... I think that's
the name of it.  The artwork is really cool.  A charcoal coloured
gatefold sleeve with gray stone-colored masks on each fold.  It's really
neat...looks like you'd get your hands dirty just touching it.

CAD 5013:  Mojave, Ask Me Tomorrow

Ok, well there's been many many posts about this already, let me just say
that I think it's beautiful music.  A really nice Mazzy Star/Moon Seven
Times type of music (and yes, Slowdive's wall of sound has been
shattered).  Love Songs on the Radio is still the prettiest song.  This
is a promo, no artwork...

AD/BAD 5014:  Air Miami, Fuck You, Tiger

An excellent ep.  The remix of I Hate Milk is even better than the
original, if that's possible.  Warm Miami May is also a really good
song.  Afternoon Train (remix #3) is a short instrumental, and the last
song (the name escapes me) is nice, but kinda redundant.  The art is
amazing.  The 7" is all black with a little square in the center and a
picture of a tiger lying down.  The cd5 is a full-size of the tiger
(front half on front, back half on back) on the black background.

Hey, did anyone notice that the red highlighted letters on the me. me.
me. booklet spell things?  I've gotten, among other things "Definitely
bridget", "b.c."[several times], "Four a. d. ", "factory", and "i w r".
there's still a few I can't figure out... if anyone else has noticed
this, let me know what you've found...

BAD 5015 The Amps, tipp city.

For those of you who are music directors at radio stations or whatnot,
you've probably gotten this single from Elektra.  The ep is three songs,
a whopping total of 6:00 for the entire thing.  tipp city is a great
song, probably the best song on the ep, just like a briar is really good
too, and empty glasses (kim's basement 4 track version) is ANGRY.  The
whole ep is really low-fi, but the songs are great.  They're short, fast,
and GREAT to get you going in the morning (considering it only takes you
6 minutes to get going in the morning, that is).... The artwork is ok,
nothing impressive...but I love the green colour they use, and green is
FAR from being my favorite colour, so I suppose that's a plus.

anyway, this is far too long as it is...let's just say g'bye now, kay?

g'bye now!

Ivo

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 19:36:12 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Paula Frazer 7" and new Kranky CD


I saw a few things during my radio show that might interest someone.

Paula Frazer of Tarnation has a 7" that's been out since this summer
on Sunday Driver. The songs are "The Hand" "Is She Lonesome Now" and "Two
Wrongs Won't Make Things Right"

The most recent kranky cd is a self-titled release from Flies Inside the Sun, a
band from New Zealand (maybe Australia, I forget now.) The band includes some
guitar, bowed guitar, synth, bass, and drums. The track I heard was pretty
abstract, with percussive interjections, but generally quiet and sparse.

I played one track from the Bowery Electric cd, also on kranky, which was
pretty good; very slow washes of sound. I'll have to go back and listen to
these again. The worst part about doing a radio show is that you can't really
pay attention to the music.

-nick

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:15:32 -0700
From: kenneth (nneth@CONNECTUS.COM)
Subject: Re: Rainier Maria Rilke


On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, Jens Alfke wrote:

> Thurn und Taxis. Read Thomas Pynchon's hilarious novel "The Crying of Lot
> 49" for more info than you ever wanted to know about this family and how
> they secretly control the world.
>
> --Jens

Heh, you just mananged to seriously confuse me for a sec.  I am also
subscribed to the Thomas Pynchon mailing list but just joined here the
other day and seeing a TP-related post in the 4AD list threw me a bit.  Of
course, one must consider that THEY could have covertly taken over this
list.  Is there possibly an upcoming release by some band called The
Paranoids?


keNneth

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