4ad-l Mail for 10-03-1995

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Subject: Re: 4AD 'ZINES (help!)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 00:29:43 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: seefeel 'starethrough'
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 01:29:23 -0400
From: "[spiral]" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Slowdive/mojave question
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 01:46:50 -0400
From: "[spiral]" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Elysium tour dates
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:33:00 -0600
From: ".mark...der Prinz der Pailletten."
Subject: Re: Slowdive/mojave question
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 01:37:36 -0400
From: "[spiral]" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Slowdive/mojave question
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 02:23:40 -0500
From: Kagin Lee ([email protected])
Subject: mojave...i must have...mojave...before january...
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 03:53:12 -0600
From: kid sunshine ([email protected])
Subject: ATTN : Lonely is an Eyesore ltd. ed.
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 07:52:57 -0400
From: Cath Carroll ([email protected])
Subject: Some news about the new Cocteau Twins video and Twinlights
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:04:09 BST
From: Simon Hughes ([email protected])
Subject: 104.9 details anyone?
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:03:24 -0700
From: Andrew Dean ([email protected])
Subject: Re: luna*bonnie and clyde
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 08:42:53 EDT
From: Alan Daniel ([email protected])
Subject: Re: luna*bonnie and clyde
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:05:52 -0400
From: Jay Senese ([email protected])
Subject: bonnie and clyde
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:36:46 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Alanis/TM&TM/what's with Zach?
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:52:39 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" ([email protected])
Subject: i want mojave too"
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 11:52:44 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Alanis/TM&TM/what's with Zach?
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:42:44 CST
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Lonely is an Eyesore ltd. ed. 4AD comp. avail. (fwd)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:52:51 -0700
From: Jens Alfke ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Elysium tour dates
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 12:28:03 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Slowdive/mojave question
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:36:51 -0700
From: Jens Alfke ([email protected])
Subject: Re: o.j. spammage
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:26:31 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee ([email protected])
Subject: Heavenly Voices comps...
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:25:52 -0500
From: Darryl Stephen Roy ([email protected])
Subject: Re: bonnie and clyde
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 15:50:42 EDT
From: Alan Daniel ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Elysium tour dates
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 11:33:09 -0600
From: mesocyclone ([email protected])
Subject: Bedazzled Fall .....
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 15:03:56 -0400
From: Steve Willett ([email protected])
Subject: CT non-overlap
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 16:06:34 -0700
From: Micah Newman ([email protected])
Subject: Re: luna*bonnie and clyde
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 16:00:39 -0700
From: David Mccallum ([email protected])

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 00:29:43 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: 4AD 'ZINES (help!)

              Oct 1, 95 07:23:39 pm

Ok.. since you asked.. I'll toss in my ultra-blatant plug for Warped Reality.

Not strictly a 4AD zine, but we try to cover the interesting & unique which
encompasses 4AD more often than not.


#3 - Helium, Stereolab, Lisa Germano, Red Krayola, The Raincoats, Liz Phair,
Soul Coughing, $3

#2 - Chris Bigg of v23, Kristin Hersh, The Breeders, Miranda Sex Garden, Big
Hat, Opium Den, overview of Thirteen Year Itch, $3

#1 - His Name is Alive, Belly, God is My Co-Pilot, children's book illustrator
Maira Kalman, tribute to British author Angela Carter, $2.50

frequent flyer plan = all 3 for $7

#4 coming this winter with: Neil Gaiman of Sandman, Laika, Pram, Lida Husik,
Words&Pictures, $3

checks payable to Andrea Feldman, please:

Warped Reality
PO Box 2515
Providence, RI 02906


thanks... susan
warped reality, email director

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 01:29:23 -0400
From: "[spiral]" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: seefeel 'starethrough'


On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Jens Alfke wrote:

> "Spangle" is really annoying, sounds like
> a Casiotone, and unfortunately became much of the inspiration for
> "Succour".

oh my!! NOOOO!! thats the reason to
live on planet seefeel... grumble.

but i do have to agree this ep is some of
the best theyve done...

                ---> [spiral]
                [email protected]


Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 01:46:50 -0400
From: "[spiral]" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Slowdive/mojave question


On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, .mark...der Prinz der Pailletten. wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, D.P. Mac pherson wrote:
>
> > I adore slowdive
>
> oh, so you're one of thooose people, eh? :)  lookie spiral, let's get 'im!

grrrr! isnt there enough of your kind roaming the earth??
NEENER NEENER NEENER!!

> it IS true.  but my god....this is album is so beautiful.
]
why didnt i think of that?? yea what sir mark said...

and mark also said that anyone that is a fan
of rachel is gonna love this..

but i dont know anyone who likes HER!!
(guilty!!)

                ---> [spiral]
                [email protected]

Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:33:00 -0600
From: ".mark...der Prinz der Pailletten."
Subject: Re: Elysium tour dates


all you listies out there......you better go see elysium!!!  i finally heard
_glisten_ today, and it's wonderful!  i think it'll be one of my
favorites this year....just as a point of reference, it reminds me a bit
of siddal (on bedazzled).  ....speaking of, bedazzled has a bunch of new
stuff coming out.  new mistle thrush, a compilation, (these two came into
the radio station here...too bad the music director hasn't been around so
i can give them a good listen) new an april march, and one other dreampop
band.  enlighten us steve.

praise be to dewdrops and bedazzled....:)
                                                .mark.

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 01:37:36 -0400
From: "[spiral]" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Slowdive/mojave question


On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, D.P. Mac pherson wrote:

> Is it true they're moving towards a folkier, mazzy starr
> type sound,

it is quite true.. add some piano and
brushed snare, with neil and rachel pretty much
splitting the vocals (harmonies.. ooh im melting)..
adn you have mojave...


> (i hope they don't abandon their beautiful wall of guitar that
> you can drown in sound of their first two albums)

sorry. i too was disappointed cause im a huge jfad
fan.. nothing has topped it, until now.. i think
_ask me tomorrow_ is pretty equal... neil is an amazing
songwriter and thats one of the reasons that slowdive
is so good... but as far as wall of sound.. nope. but
i think youll live when you hear it.. the closest it comes
to that is the last song "mercy" where there is a wall of
piano, gui, and some choir-esqe vocals that sound like a string
section... oh yea. cello is sprinkled here and there quite nicely.


> and how is their song on
> that 4ad sampler??

"love songs on the radio" good tune... but definately
not the strongest on the album. there is not a single bad song
though...
get it get it get it get it!

                ---> [spiral]
                [email protected]


Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 02:23:40 -0500
From: Kagin Lee ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Slowdive/mojave question


On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, [spiral] wrote:

> "love songs on the radio" good tune... but definately
> not the strongest on the album. there is not a single bad song
> though...
> get it get it get it get it!

Arggh, do any of you people with connections wanna volunteer to make
 a few hundred copies for the poor listmembers who are supposed to wait
 three or four more months to get it?

I'd volunteer to wear down my tape deck making copies but i don't have
 a copy of the record.  Gimme!

kagin


Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 03:53:12 -0600
From: kid sunshine ([email protected])
Subject: mojave...i must have...mojave...before january...


actually as soon as possible. i have been scouring the local used bins for
a mojave promo but have found nothing. besides, honestly i think austin
used cd stores suck compared to what i've found in boston and houston
(yeah, yeah, yeah, i just spent the weekend and some cash there, so that
hellhole has one redeeming quality). i am willing to pay top reasonable
dollar for a cd promo of this new work, unless it is only out on cassette,
which believe me i'll settle for.

i can say this with ease: i went to waterloo, an austin rekkid store, last
thursday and they had 3, count em, 3 copies of slowdive's very first ep. i
put one on hold but i wasn't here this weekend, so i am going back there
tomorrow. they are $9.99 apiece. if anyone is in dire need of one, email me
soon before they are gone.
i need my avalyn ii, if they are gone when i get there manana morning there
will be hell to pay,
.j.

---
[email protected]
andover '94
-
'Today's all-American boy eats both Mom's apple pie and the girl next door.'
-
...in the afterlife, everyone plays guitar...
---


Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 07:52:57 -0400
From: Cath Carroll ([email protected])
Subject: ATTN : Lonely is an Eyesore ltd. ed.


Just informing you listies of what offers to entertain regarding the post on
the limited ed.

I payed $25 for my copy (which isn't much more than the reg. CD) in Chicago
about two months ago. It was in mint.

God, I hate this bidding crap!

I thought I'd let you guys know what the market will bear before you go
offering upwards of $100 for it. Don't get ripped off!

Your guardian angel,

Cath

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:04:09 BST
From: Simon Hughes ([email protected])
Subject: Some news about the new Cocteau Twins video and Twinlights

              1995 23:23:55 -0700 <[email protected]>

nck wrote:

>The press release is printed on heavy, sort of translucent paper.
>I'll try typing this thing in. It's kind of long, but there is some good
>info from the band here.
>
>Cocteau Twins [in their new/old logo]
>twinlights
>Elizabeth Fraser - Robin Guthrie - Simon Raymonde

[much deleted]

>          And that's what we did with the EPs. You just think, 'Why don't
>we try a couple of acoustic songs?' We don't want to do a whole album like
>that, because is says, 'Hey! This is our new direction,' and it quite
>obviously isn't."

[much deleted]

>Cocteau Twins    _Twinlights_    Capitol 30548    September 1995
>
>Capitol Records
>
>
>So, Simon assures us _Twinlights_ is not their new sound.

Back when "Echoes in a Shallow Bay" and "Tiny Dynamine" were released, I
remember one of the Cocteaus saying then that the reason they released two
12" singles rather than an LP was that they didn't want people to think
that it was their new direction.  I was quite pleased about that because I
thought then (and still do) that those two EPs are the nadir of the 4AD
Cocteaus.

Simon Hughes


Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:03:24 -0700
From: Andrew Dean ([email protected])
Subject: 104.9 details anyone?


anybody bought / seen this yet? (it's a new compilation, probably to
raise money for xfm, and indie radio station in london currently sans
licence, some of the contents of which is kind of relevant to this
list).

if so, could you post a tracklist of something, the advert i've seen
only has a list of bands. specifically interested in boo radleys, mary
chain and stereolab tracks.

thankyou,
andyx
([email protected]) no incoming email at the mo, stupid eh?


Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 08:42:53 EDT
From: Alan Daniel ([email protected])
Subject: Re: luna*bonnie and clyde


----- Begin Included Message----

You wrote:
>
>hiya kids.
>
>I'm a looking for this single on cd preferably, not vinyl

I checked with Twin CIties International, a mjor distributor and with a
big import music store, nothing on the computers or planned for Bonnie
and Clyde to be a single...anyone?  euthelene


----- End Included Message -----

i picked this up a few months ago and can still get it, cd or 12".  if your
desperate, i can purchase it and mail it to you.

alan
[email protected]

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:05:52 -0400
From: Jay Senese ([email protected])
Subject: Re: luna*bonnie and clyde


Luna's Bonnie and Clyde was a 3-track British CD5 issued several weeks before
the LP.  The next single is scheduled for release in the UK around 10/22:
it's for Hedgehog.  Jay

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:36:46 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: bonnie and clyde


hey whoever was asking


   there is no bonnie and clyde single but there is a promotional three track
sampler for pentehouse which contains a bonus remix of bonnie and clyde,  the
unlisted pentehouse song...both versions are excellent, im leaning toward the
acousticy one on the single as of right now, but of course my opinion is ever
volatile....


ps...anyone else find this song incomparably sensuous?


bryan


Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:52:39 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Alanis/TM&TM/what's with Zach?

              <[email protected]>

I'm terribly sorry, everyone...i've learned how to use this now.
i'm quite sane.


Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 11:52:44 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: i want mojave too"


hey all

     i really want a copy of the new mojave....could someone please tell me
once and for all which release date is the true one...include uk and american
if you have em...ill buy it in whatever form as soon as possible...the suspense
is absolutely killing me...it's like waiting for woody allen movies to come
out...


bryan


(who incidentally loves rachel)

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:42:44 CST
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Alanis/TM&TM/what's with Zach?


> >ps - I heard alannis morissette was an actress...

> awful 17-year-old Paula Abdul/Tiffany type Top 40/dance arteeste...until she
> suddenly, conveniently and commerciallyviably went Alternative(tm)

Now she just sounds like Taylor Dane.
Alternative my ass.

I'll add my voice in recommending the new Labradford album.
Excellent stuff, and a bit more dynamic than the previous.

Also everyone should check out Mauve Sideshow for some really strange
but very compelling music.

later on,
Thad
"This isn't death, this is just a textural event"

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:52:51 -0700
From: Jens Alfke ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Lonely is an Eyesore ltd. ed. 4AD comp. avail. (fwd)


Bivins  wrote:
>Lonely is an Eyesore limited edition (box) 4AD label compilation
>Sleeve NM, vinyl never played (but placed in anti-static sleeve)
>entertaining offers

I'll bid $13.99 and a slightly-used lemon zester for it.
That would be a pretty entertaining offer, no? :)


Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 12:28:03 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Elysium tour dates


>
>praise be to dewdrops and bedazzled....:)

yes praise indeed. it seems that the only stuff i listen to during the
fall, is either on 4AD or bedazzled. except spiritualized, but there is
always an exception.


                            -robert.

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:36:51 -0700
From: Jens Alfke ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Slowdive/mojave question


D.P. Macpherson wrote:
>> (i hope they don't abandon their beautiful wall of guitar that
>> you can drown in sound of their first two albums)

I find that Slowdive's sound has changed on every release, even from
"Slowdive/Avalyn" to "Morningrise". "Pygmalion" was quite different from
what came before, but I think it was a very positive step; "Just For A
Day" and even "Souvlaki" were dead-ends in a way. I'm looking forward to
hearing Mojave...

--Jens

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:26:31 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee ([email protected])
Subject: Re: o.j. spammage


>  I know everyone is gonna hate me for this, but I have to do it:  O.J.
>was found not guilty on both charges!  Wow!

Wouldn't it be great if O.J. released a record on 4AD?

e

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:25:52 -0500
From: Darryl Stephen Roy ([email protected])
Subject: Heavenly Voices comps...


Over the weekend, I parted with a number o' cds at the the local CD
Warehouse for credit, and amongst my purchases for said credit were
"Heavenly Voices" I-III (Hyperion), compilations chock full of thislisty
artists, and avowedly dedicated to the beauty of teh female voice.  Each
is quite good, though if I had to pick one, it would be II presently.

I was already familiar with a few of the featured artists:  Love Spirals
Downward alt. mixes on I and III are very like the album versions.  The
new Moon 7 Times track is in my fave style of theirs (sans drums), while
Stoa and Love is Colder than Death still are missing a crucial element in
treading the same territory as Dead Can Dance.  LCD get more credit, as
they seem to play less to the goth-medievalist pretense crowd.  I'll
probably give their albums (briefly listened to in a shop) another chance.
I wish Miranda Sex Garden would try more tracks in the style presented on
III.  I find their recent output to be dominated by, "Yes, I have a voice
major, but I can still screech with the best of them" exercises...

A few of the new artists immediately stand out:

Collection d'Arnell Andrea (on II) - Wow, like a mix of Anneli's (Bel
 Canto) leaping vocal on "Spiderdust" with the kaleidoscopish arrangements
 of "Kiss in the Dreamhouse".  I think their Villers Aux Venis album did
 very well on last year's 4ad-L poll, but I had yet to hear them.  Definite
 Cocteux ear-candy.  Ear/Rational carries four albums by them:  Au Val des
 Roses, Les Marrionniers, Un Automine a Loroy, and Villers Aux Venis.  How
 do they compare?  Which should I check out first?

Malka Spiegel (on I) - Dubbed out female vocalisms over shuffling trip-hop
 beat.  Colin Newman's wife (he colaborates) commands this style, as I
 like this more than similar efforts by the Bristol bands.  She has an
 album out, entitled Rosh Ballata.  Is it similar?  I've read that Swim
 (Newman's label) revolved around minimalist electronics.  Anyway, my
 growing taste for techno is vindicated (if it needed any) by Colin
 Newman's involvement in the field.

Mellona Tauta (on I) - Very nicely integrated classical instrumentation.
 Terrific melodic understated vocals.  Somber.  Do they have an album?

Sleeping Dogs Wake (on II) - Um, now that I sitting here, all I can
 remember is a guitar ostinato that sent shivers.  Again, how do their
 albums (Threnody, Understanding, Under the Stars) compare?


Other pressing questions:

Projekt's net associates have yet to send me a catalogue...does anyone
have their net address?

I couldn't find Lanterna's (M7X side project) CD in the net Parasol
catalog.  Is there an alternate source.  (I'd order from Henry directly,
but I've left his email address at my last account as well...

Thanks for any advice you can provide...

--
Computers are useless /    D.Stephen Roy    \ Die in your thoughts every
 they can only give  < [email protected] >  morning and you will no
you answers - Picasso \ Don't rock, wobble! / longer fear death - Hakakure


Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 15:50:42 EDT
From: Alan Daniel ([email protected])
Subject: Re: bonnie and clyde


----- Begin Included Message -----


hey whoever was asking


   there is no bonnie and clyde single but there is a promotional three track
sampler for pentehouse which contains a bonus remix of bonnie and clyde,  the
unlisted pentehouse song...both versions are excellent, im leaning toward the
acousticy one on the single as of right now, but of course my opinion is ever
volatile....


ps...anyone else find this song incomparably sensuous?


bryan


----- End Included Message -----

i'm sorry, but there is a single for 'bonnie and clyde'. i own it.  i also have
the three track promo that you are talking about.  the official single has a
picture of a gun on the front and contains two versions of 'bonnie...',
'china town', and another song not included on the album.  i don't know if it's
import only, or domestic only... i can't remember how much i paid or if it is on
electra(i think that's there american label).  if i remember, i will bring it to
work tomorrow and post all the important information from the disc.  the record
store that i frequent has at least two more copies on disc and one on 12".

alan

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 11:33:09 -0600
From: mesocyclone ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Elysium tour dates


  For anyone in the Richmond Virginia area, Siddal will be playing here
soon with Mistle Thrush.  I forgot the date but I think it's sometime in
the next week.  WE have the announcements at Tower Rex, so I'll try and
get the EXACT info to y'all by tomorrow.

******************************************************************************

                                   A.I.D.S.
              We are all infected because we are all affected.........

                                  *********
                     Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. [email protected]
  MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
******************************************************************************


Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 15:03:56 -0400
From: Steve Willett ([email protected])
Subject: Bedazzled Fall .....

              

> all you listies out there......you better go see elysium!!!  i finally heard
> _glisten_ today, and it's wonderful!  i think it'll be one of my
> favorites this year....just as a point of reference, it reminds me a bit
> of siddal (on bedazzled).  ....speaking of, bedazzled has a bunch of new
> stuff coming out.  new mistle thrush, a compilation, (these two came into
> the radio station here...too bad the music director hasn't been around so
> i can give them a good listen) new an april march, and one other dreampop
> band.  enlighten us steve.
>
> praise be to dewdrops and bedazzled....:)
>                                                 .mark.

Bedazzled is indeed shifting into high gear for the Fall.  The new
Mistle Thrush, Silt, came out the first week of September and will
certainly be our biggest release to date.  CMJ gave it a glowing review
and Alternative Press has a profile article coming out in a month or
two.  MT is doing some touring this month stopping in Richmond, DC,
Columbus, Pittsburgh, Detroit and a few others ... check our server for
details.

The new release from An April March, Lessons in Vengeance, is classic
dreampop ... they've added a fretless bass player which gives the whole
sound some depth.  The latest addition to the Bedazzled family is
Underflowers.  Their self-titled debut is absolutely stunning.
Somewhere in between Hugo Largo, DCD and RHP with some obvious classical
and baroque influences ...... if you're curious, check out their track
on the 'woke up smiling' compilation.

Now for the blatant commercial speak.  We've set up a phone order/credit
card line at 703-385-1234 (between 12 & 8 EST, seven days a week).
Anything from that notoriusly late Bedazzled catalog can be gotten here
(including the snazzy new Elysium disc !!!).  Speaking of which, we're
so close to having the new catalog printed I can smell them.

Thanks
Steve @ Bedazzled

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 16:06:34 -0700
From: Micah Newman ([email protected])
Subject: CT non-overlap


        I have a suggestion: how about if all Cocteau Twins posting is
shifted to the newly-created Cocteau Twins list (subscribe at
[email protected])? This would ease the traffic on those of us
subscribed to both lists, and would also help out the fledgling CT list
from going the way of starlust (the "useless" Lush list).

= "Wake up, see    \ If there's no God, why      + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists?         + dread the due changes   =
= done is done..." \  -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..."               =
=  -Ride: "Today"  /   Ontological Proof         +  -Red House Painters    =

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 16:00:39 -0700
From: David Mccallum ([email protected])
Subject: Re: luna*bonnie and clyde


On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, Jay Senese wrote:
> Luna's Bonnie and Clyde was a 3-track British CD5 issued several weeks before
> the LP.  The next single is scheduled for release in the UK around 10/22:
> it's for Hedgehog.  Jay

        My single is on Beggar's Banquet and has four tracks.

        Bonnie and Clyde (Version)
        Twenty Four Hours
        Thank You for Sending Me An Angel - cover of Talking Heads' song
        Bonnie and Clyde (Version) - more guitars

        Is the full-length any good?  I have liked their other stuff and
love this single but all the reviews of the full-length have been negative.

        David, who could peel the banana on and off the cover of the
Velvet Underground's box set all day long


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