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Subject: free liquorice, HNIA, ESP Summer/Dolphin (v. long)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:34:42 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: need www FACTORY site
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 01:04:51 -0400
From: Section25@AOL.COM
Subject: free liquourice, hnia, esp summer/dolphin (v. long)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 23:03:58 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: luna*bonnie and clyde
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 00:35:37 -0500
From: Kanga and lisaRoo (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: Some news about the new Cocteau Twins video and Twinlights
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 23:23:55 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: luna*bonnie and clyde
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 00:58:15 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: luna*bonnie and clyde
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 00:19:01 -0700
From: "li'l cricket k and john" (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: free liquorice
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 03:04:11 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Soft Cell/Labradford bass
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 08:54:08 -0400
From: "hello, I'm actor Troy McClure" (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Cocteau's Vid-e-eaus
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:16:40 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Cocteau stuff
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:29:19 -0400
From: Police Chief Clancy Wiggum (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Cocteau stuff
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 10:44:48 CDT
From: ariane181@DALLAS.EMAIL.NET
Subject: Re: Still no Cocteau Twins lyrics?
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:53:25 -0400
From: Bert Vincent Laonipon (bvlaonip@EMAIL.UNC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau's Vid-e-eaus
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 12:49:31 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: cocteau mailing list created
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:50:09 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: seefeel 'starethrough'
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 18:44:06 -0400
From: Neil James (Quixote4@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: twinlights
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:04:48 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: 'Twinlights' secret message?
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:17:36 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: smiths leagacy again
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:33:38 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:26:37 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: 4AD 'ZINES (help!)
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:23:39 -0400
From: Phil Stout (IHATEMILK@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Mike, I've got your lyrics right here!!!!
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:50:20 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mike, I've got your lyrics right here!!!!
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:53:58 -0500
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: the ghost that zach (m) ate.
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:23:55 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: seefeel 'starethrough'
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:20:19 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu)
Subject: free TYI (in PAL) & Re:Thirteen Year Itch
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 23:18:57 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu)

Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:34:42 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: free liquorice, HNIA, ESP Summer/Dolphin (v. long)


just got back from the free liquorice concert that cz mentioned a couple of
days ago.  one word sums up the concert:  good.  it wasn't particularly
wonderful, but it seemed to leave everyone there with a nice, warm, friendly
feeling inside.  i'll probably buy the cd, if my roommate doesn't.  while
they're not on par with a lot of the older to middle 4ad bands, they sure
beat scheer.  there's hope yet, kids.  (why did i say kids?  most of you are
older than me.)

spoke with jenny for a minute after the show.  she was too busy trying to
sell simple machines releases (she was very protective of these releases.
i tried to look at a couple of tsunami ones, but she grabbed them back like
she though i was going to steal them, oh well) to get much info from, but she sa
d she had a
great time touring with luna.

trey, on the other hand, was very helpful.  he told me liquorice will be
wrapping up the tour soon.  the next show is in. . .oh shit, i forget.
anyway, he tells me the new hnia album is recorded, and should be released
in jan or feb.  all that's left is the mixing.  he'll be doing some work
with another band he's involved in, velour.

being the huge ian masters fan i am, i had to ask him what he knew about the
workings of esp summer/dolphin.  apparently, he told me, esp were very close
to completing a deal with an italian distributer, but esp found out the
cd (yes, that's cd) would be distributed in the us by projekt, so they
backed out, giving sam rosenthal yet another reason to be depressed.

more about esp later.  trey didn't say much when i asked him about the
future of liquorice, but he said they may be doing a few songs for an
upcoming 4ad project.  from what trey said, 4ad will soon begin releasing a
10" four song ep every month for oh shit, somewhere between 8 and 12 months.
liquorice may or may not be contributing songs for these.  stupid me forgot
to ask him if it would be a four-song ep by 10 bands, or if each ep would
contain tracks by several bands.  i got the impression that it will be
several bands on each ep, though.

back to esp.  i got a letter from ian today (how does he write like that?).
from what he tells me, there's going to be an esp thing released in france
in a couple of weeks or so.  i'll be writing him for more info on that one,
but maybe initial boy knows something about it.  there will also be a mono
7" released on perdition plastics in the us sometime.  and don't forget the
farrago release (insert shameless plug for a listie's side project here)!

anyway, for further info, write me, and i'll try to help.

eric

Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 01:04:51 -0400
From: Section25@AOL.COM
Subject: need www FACTORY site


a while back someone had posted the address for the factory records website.
 could someone please email that address to me at section25@ids.net?

thank you!
s25

Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 23:03:58 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: free liquourice, hnia, esp summer/dolphin (v. long)


sorry 'bout this if you get it twice, but the message was bounced back to
me, saying that i or someone else had already sent a similar message, so for
you mind-readers out there, piss off.  and now, without further ado. . .

just got back from the free liquorice concert that cz mentioned a couple of
days ago.  one word sums up the concert:  good.  it wasn't particularly
wonderful, but it seemed to leave everyone there with a nice, warm, friendly
feeling inside.  i'll probably buy the cd, if my roommate doesn't.  while
they're not on par with a lot of the older to middle 4ad bands, they sure
beat scheer.  there's hope yet, kids.  (why did i say kids?  most of you are
older than me.)

spoke with jenny for a minute after the show.  she was too busy trying to
sell simple machines releases (she was very protective of these releases.
i tried to look at a couple of tsunami ones, but she grabbed them back like
she though i was going to steal them, oh well) to get much info from, but she sa
d she had a
great time touring with luna.

trey, on the other hand, was very helpful.  he told me liquorice will be
wrapping up the tour soon.  the next show is in. . .oh shit, i forget.
anyway, he tells me the new hnia album is recorded, and should be released
in jan or feb.  all that's left is the mixing.  he'll be doing some work
with another band he's involved in, velour.

being the huge ian masters fan i am, i had to ask him what he knew about the
workings of esp summer/dolphin.  apparently, he told me, esp were very close
to completing a deal with an italian distributer, but esp found out the
cd (yes, that's cd) would be distributed in the us by projekt, so they
backed out, giving sam rosenthal yet another reason to be depressed.

more about esp later.  trey didn't say much when i asked him about the
future of liquorice, but he said they may be doing a few songs for an
upcoming 4ad project.  from what trey said, 4ad will soon begin releasing a
10" four song ep every month for oh shit, somewhere between 8 and 12 months.
liquorice may or may not be contributing songs for these.  stupid me forgot
to ask him if it would be a four-song ep by 10 bands, or if each ep would
contain tracks by several bands.  i got the impression that it will be
several bands on each ep, though.

back to esp.  i got a letter from ian today (how does he write like that?).
from what he tells me, there's going to be an esp thing released in france
in a couple of weeks or so.  i'll be writing him for more info on that one,
but maybe initial boy knows something about it.  there will also be a mono
7" released on perdition plastics in the us sometime.  and don't forget the
farrago release (insert shameless plug for a listie's side project here)!

anyway, for further info, write me, and i'll try to help.

eric


Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 00:35:37 -0500
From: Kanga and lisaRoo (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: luna*bonnie and clyde


hiya kids.

I'm a looking for this single on cd preferably, not vinyl, and also a copy of
the amorphous body study centre for a friend of mine. any body seen either of
these or have any info on them?  I personally have the amorphous body study
thingamajig, but I was wondering if it was printed in a limited ed. or
something like that...

thanks mucho, lisa.


ps - I heard alannis morissette was an actress on canada's you can't do that on
television. I was just wondering if anybody knew which one she was? the only
girl I really remember is "christine".... go fig.

Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 23:23:55 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Some news about the new Cocteau Twins video and Twinlights


        This may be of some interest to those who have been slagging
_Twinlights_ or those who like it.
[For the record, I think the cover is the best post-23 envelope ever, very good
and the music is pretty good, the singing is the best part. I don't normally
pay attention to lyrics much anyways, besides the few obvious words.]

Friday, when I went to the video duplicating place I work at sometimes I saw a
stack of Cocteau Twins press releases for _twinlights_ along with a stack of
B&W promo photos that everyone seems to use. It turns out that the new video
that has been mentioned on the list a few times will be duplicated and sent out
to US music video shows some time next week. (I'm not absolutely sure on the
date, but pretty soon.) The press release and photos are inserts to be sent
with the videos

The press release is printed on heavy, sort of translucent paper.
I'll try typing this thing in. It's kind of long, but there is some good
info from the band here.

Cocteau Twins [in their new/old logo]
twinlights
Elizabeth Fraser - Robin Guthrie - Simon Raymonde

        No one tells you how to be in a band; a list of do's and don'ts,
cliches to avoid, which drugs to take and which ones not to, which misgivings
are founded and which ones are just paranoia. It's just something you're
expected to pick up as you go along. And all because there was this music in
your head that you had to get out. Beyond that, though, it's a pretty delicate
balance.
        The lay-by of pop is littered with the remains of bands who made one
classic album, then feeling somehow constrained by its success, sought to make
a totally different one only to wonder why everyone lost interest. And then
there's the other extreme where you just make the same records again and again
until no one's listening anymore.
        The Cocteau Twins have done alright as it happens. Thirteen years and
eight albums down the line, Liz Fraser, Simon Raymonde, and Robin Guthrie have
still found ways to conjure a fragrant spectrum of sensations from the same
emotional paint box. Thirteen years and eight albums down the line, there isn't
a single group that has ever sounded like the Cocteau Twins, be it the violent
urgency which ignites, say, _Iceblink Luck_ (1990), the terror drunk
exhortations of _Treasure_ (1984), or the misty-eyed serenity that consumes
most of their Fontana debut _Four-Calendar Cafe_ (1993). But of course, no one
ever tells you how to be in a band.
        _Four-Calendar Cafe_ was a feast of contradictions; possessed of a
gentility and serenity hitherto uncharted even for the Cocteau Twins, yet
ravaged by all sorts of hidden discord. "When we finally got 'round to
recording it," recalls Robin, ever the master of understatement, "I was amazed
none of us had actually committed suicide, killed each other, and fired
everyone around us. It was an intense period after we had left 4AD, and the
following months were fairly grim, but rather than try and sort it out, we'd
just get fucked up!" So what's happened in the interim? Robin: "Well, we
started talking to each other a bit more." "That was the big development,"
reckons Liz. "We'd never really talked before. But now, we're not afraid to say
things for fear that we'll laugh each other out of the room. It's a completely
new feeling." Ironically, this renewed sense of communication has led the
Cocteau Twins back to the original motivations that saw Liz and Robin start the
band, back in Grangemouth, Scotland, 15 years ago.
        The upshot of all this renewed activity, then, is two EPs. The first,
entitled _Twinlights_, is a largely acoustic collection. It features three new
songs, "Rilkean Heart," "Golden Vein," "Half-Gifts," and a version of "Pink
Orange Red" (1985). The second, _Otherness_, sees the group coming full-circle,
returning to the more ambient strain of their sound that has influenced groups
as disparate as Future Sound Of London and The Chemical Brothers. Working in
collaboration with Mark Clifford from ambient group Seefeel, the four tracks
contained on the EP are made up of two new and two previously released songs.
"Feet Like Fins" is from _Victorialand_ and "Cherry Colored Funk" is from
_Heaven of Las Vegas_. The two new tracks are "Seekers Who Are Lovers," and
"Violaine."
        "We all grew up buying 12-inch singles," says Simon, "Because those are
the only records you can afford to take a chance on when you're growing up. So
the medium of the EP had always been pretty important to us, and the past
couple of years in our studio has just been brilliant. We've recorded a new
album, but there are other areas we want to explore to make this vital to us."
        The new album is called _Milk and Kisses_, and was recorded between
December 1994 and April 1995 in Brittany and at the band's studio in London.
There is an extraordinary range of emotions displayed here, and the interplay
of Elizabeth's voice and the instrumentation produces moments of stunning
beauty. All the songs were written and played by Robin, Simon, and Elizabeth.
_Milk and Kisses_ will be released early next year, and the band will be
performing live in a more unorthodox manner than we have previously seen them.
They are intriguingly unwilling to reveal any more at this point!
        "After the last tour," ruminates Simon, "we all came back and we all
thought, 'Why are we doing this?' We want to make records, put them out, and
not worry about whether they do well. And that's what we did with the EPs. You
just think, 'Why don't we try a couple of acoustic songs?' We don't want to do
a whole album like that, because is says, 'Hey! This is our new direction,' and
it quite obviously isn't."
        As with _Four-Calendar Cafe_, much has been made of Liz's recent
tendency to make her words more audible. Liz is naturally reticent to spell it
all out. It's not so much that the songs don't mean anything, it's just that to
sit there outlining explanations would be to imply that the music simply isn't
doing its job. "The funny thing," says Liz, "is that it doesn't matter whether
you can understand the lyrics or not. The results are the same. But recording
for the next album and these EPs has been much better. All I can do is tell you
what I was feeling when I was doing that album. I felt like I couldn't do what
I've always done, but also I was really afraid of being judged for what I was
saying. Having said that, there's still about three or four songs, where, from
a vocal point of view, no one will understand what I'm singing. They just
won't. But it doesn't make it any more or less significant than the lyrics,
because it's all the same emotions in those sounds."
        The band would never be this bold as to say so, but both EPs convey
both extremes of the Cocteau Twins sound with a peculiarly assured air. On
"Rilkean Heart" and "Half Gifts," Liz sounds quietly aghast that happiness and
inner strength seem within her reach for the first time. And although
confidence isn't quite the word, the band's rediscovered equilibrium has
certainly brought about a change. "These days I have something set up to stop
me losing it completely. I'm usually not comfortable with being honest. I want
to be, but all my old bells are tolling, and these messages are telling me that
I'm crap, that I'll get stitched up. But now I can take care of it with the
minimum of pain. I'm getting into new territory all the time, more into being
honest and willing to take the risks which that entails."
        And while we are on the subject of "new territory", the band have been
filming themselves during recent recordings, and together with influential
filmmaker Dirk Van Dooren, are currently working on a project which will
surface in early September.
        These days, life with the Cocteau Twins is gravitating towards a state
of sanity. You get to an age where you realize that suffering does not equal
great art, half as much as the ability to communicate ideas. "I can't think of
very many bands that have been together as long as we have and actually still
like each other enough not to be doing it for the right reasons. A lot of bands
stay together because is makes financial sense. I genuinely, honestly believe
we're just starting to do some really interesting things now. Perhaps that
sounds silly." Of course is does. Whoever thought of a band staying together
for 13 years and actually liking each other?
        As 1995 draws to a conclusion, with tongue firmly in cheek, Robin is
convinced that Simon has no interests other than football. This he firmly
denies, countering with claims that Robin spends most of his waking hours in
front of a computer. Robin and Simon are beginning to wonder if Elizabeth could
_really_ pass a motorbike test, and we are left feeling very grateful, that,
for the time being, the Cocteau Twins are in prime form.
        No one ever tells you how to be in a band, but the Cocteau Twins, it
seems, are finally getting the hang of it.

Cocteau Twins    _Twinlights_    Capitol 30548    September 1995

Capitol Records


So, Simon assures us _Twinlights_ is not their new sound.
Any speculation on what their live shows will be like?
More than three guitarists? Four percussionists? Artsy movie backdrop?
20 foot tall video screens and fireworks and helicopters?

I don't know about you, but this video seems pretty interesting. I hope it gets
played on music video shows so that people can see it.

take care,
-nck


Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 00:58:15 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: luna*bonnie and clyde


In Message Sun, 1 Oct 1995 00:35:37 -0500,

>ps - I heard alannis morissette was an actress on canada's you can't do that on
>television. I was just wondering if anybody knew which one she was? the only
>girl I really remember is "christine".... go fig.

weird.  i was talking about this with friends less than ten minutes ago and
asked the exact same question.  she was alanis.  they all used their real
names on the show.

eric

Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 00:19:01 -0700
From: "li'l cricket k and john" (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: luna*bonnie and clyde


On Sun, 1 Oct 1995, Kanga and lisaRoo wrote:

> hiya kids.
>
> ps - I heard alannis morissette was an actress on canada's you can't do that o

> television. I was just wondering if anybody knew which one she was? the only
> girl I really remember is "christine".... go fig.
>

Here is what i have come up with after asking hundreds of people who have
nothing more than i fraction of a memory from that show (including myself).

She was the one with the glasses and the sleeveless v-neck sweater.
I think her hair was wavey brown/blonde or something.  Remember now?

I remember the rest of the cast quite well, but i can't think of her name.
Was Christine the Kennedy looking one?

    -jOHN


Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 03:04:11 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: free liquorice


        eric said:
>just got back from the free liquorice concert that cz mentioned a couple of
>days ago.  one word sums up the concert:  good.  it wasn't particularly
>wonderful, but it seemed to leave everyone there with a nice, warm, friendly
>feeling inside.

        Well eric just about sums it up but i might as well elaborate.  The
band was very down to earth and seemed like average friendly folk.  Very
few people were familiar with the music but the crowd seemed to quickly
warm up to them after the first song or two.  Before the concert started I
nearly ran over Jenny as she was carrying in her equipment because i wasn't
paying attention where i walked.  The band played in a state somewhere
between subdued and lively but nowhere near raucous.  The sound mix was OK
but not great and they played quite well after an initial stumble.  Jenny's
vocals were just as good as the recorded material and she made cute faces
when she sang.  I mean she'd scruch up her face or smile in a quite
innocent way that made you think that she was the girl next door.   They
played a lot of the songs on the album but i couldn't tell you which ones
or the order becuase i've only heard the album once.  That's about all i
have to say.

-cz

___<<<<<<<<<*********ckemnitz@students.wisc.edu********>>>>>>>>>___

The summer sun ray shifts through a suspicious tree. *though I walk thrugh
the valley of the shadow*  It sucks the air and looks around for me.  The
grass speaks.  I hear green chanting all day.  *I will fear no evil, fear
no evil*  The blades extend and reach my way.  The sky breaks.  It sags and
breathes uppon my face. *in the presence of mine enemies, mine enemies*
The world is full of enemies.  There is no safe place.     -Anne Sexton


Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 08:54:08 -0400
From: "hello, I'm actor Troy McClure" (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Soft Cell/Labradford bass


>Kitchen Sink Drama
>Bedsitter
>Soul Inside
>Tainted Love
>
>I'd even go as far as to say Down in the Subway

Speaking of Soft Cell, I've been trying to remember the name of one of their
songs (it might have been a Marc Almond solo thing, though - not sure).
Anyway, it features a female backing singer - it might have been a duet -
and the only words from it that I remember are "See the stars they are
bright tonight" sung over and over towards the end, followed by a trumpet
bit. Vague, I know, but that's all I remember. Anyone know?

Jens Rilke, er, Alfke:

>>>his sound; it's just like long, thick metal wires being plucked.)
>>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Umm, how would that be different from the usual sound of a bass guitar? :)
>
>Maybe I needed a smiley there? My point is that I've heard zillions of
>bass sounds, and on "A Stable Reference" the sproingy metallicness is
>emphasized in a very nice way. It's a great sound.

I know, I know - just joshin' ya. It *is* a great sound, like the cables on
a suspension bridge or something...

On now: Pram - Sargasso Sea....amaaazing, and so far it hasn't once made me
think of birds bashing against the window or whatever

Larry

If it's obvious there's no god, why are there still christians?
*St Anselm's Ontological Proof (remix)*

Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:16:40 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Cocteau's Vid-e-eaus


>>>In the 4AD issue of Emigre (1987), the interview with then 23 Envelope talks
about a long-form video project with the Cocteau Twins.<<<


I remember this plan...I also have a video of an interview with 23 Envelope
AND Cocteau Twins discussing this.  If my information serves me correctly,
this project was to have been The Moon and The Melodies.  At the last
minute, funding for the film fell through, but the band had already recorded
the music, so they just released it as a record sans video.  I have a veri-
fiable source to back up the fact that TMaTM was to have been a long-form
video/documentary sort of thing with 23 Envelope, so I'm making the as-
sumption that this is what they were talking about.


Mike
iceblink@delphi.com


Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:29:19 -0400
From: Police Chief Clancy Wiggum (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Cocteau stuff


>Elizabeth is
>on record as saying Blue Bell Knoll was entirely made up
>words/sounds, and Treasure was mostly Scottish words.
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Scots English or Gaelic, I wonder?

>As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter at all what she's
>saying. She actually COULD be raving on about Hitler and it
>wouldn't make me love their music any less.

So a pro-Hitler Cocteau Twins would not be objectionable to you?!

>In my opinion, the mystery is one of the
>"selling points" of what they do. I like it, and I'd be happy to
>let it go unsolved.

Absolutely - that way you'd never be disappointed to learn what those words
actually were. As for the copyright issue, I don't think having copyright on
your music obliges you to have the music in a transcribed form or even write
out the words - I believe this is why some copyright notices refer to "The
music contained in this recording", i.e. the whole thing is copyrighted in
its recorded form.

BTW, anyone read the CT interview in the latest NME? (or was it MM? Oh well,
same difference). Robin has had his tongue pierced, apparently, and Liz
starts by saying...well, you'll just have to find out for yourself.

Larry

"I hate the Internet...I don't understand it."
-Ian McCulloch, enlightened as ever


Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 10:44:48 CDT
From: ariane181@DALLAS.EMAIL.NET
Subject: Cocteau stuff

              <199510011331.JAA24156@gold.interlog.com>

yeh, i believe larry is completely correct about the copyright issue. i say
this because i know for a fact that a hefty chunk of early r.e.m. lyrics were
never written down, yet they are are still "copyrighted". so i guess the
cocteaus mystery continues...

janice ariane

Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:53:25 -0400
From: Bert Vincent Laonipon (bvlaonip@EMAIL.UNC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Still no Cocteau Twins lyrics?


I would have to agree with Brant.  I think Liz sings almost purely by
vocalizations throughout the Victorialand--BBK era.  And even if there
were lyrics I wouldn't care, because that's not why I listen to their
music.  The pseudowords are simply another layer of sound that washes
over me, no different from Robin's guitar or Simon's keyboard or bass.
I don't think it matters so much what Liz really intended when she
created the vocals, but only the effect it has on the listener.  Liz has
said herself that much of the music from the "classical-Cocteaux" period
which everyone heralds as their high point, was written during a time
when they were all experiencing much emotional torment in their lives,
especially Liz.  In other words, the beauty and bliss that we hear in her
singing was inspired by great pain and suffering.  Words are just sounds
to which we assign meaning through consensus reality.

Bert

On Fri, 29 Sep 1995, Brant Dewdrops wrote:

> I don't want to say it's hopeless to try to find real lyrics,
> but to innocently ask-- is it necesarily the case that lyrics
> would even be available from a publisher? Do they have databases
> of lyrics for every song released through them? I'd be surprised
> if the copyright entailed anything more than a written agreement saying
> the band/publisher owns the material, with no concrete listing
> of the lyrics required. There's some article from around the time
> of HOLV which said the only time lyrics were ever written down
> was when MTV wouldn't show the Iceblink Luck video without knowing
> what the lyrics were. Maybe someone can confirm this or I can
> ask the band; but I am sure that they must be sick-to-death of
> questions about lyrics.
>
> Again, I'm not saying it's a hopeless cause to try to figure out
> the actual lyrics, but I'll remind you that Elizabeth is
> on record as saying Blue Bell Knoll was entirely made up
> words/sounds, and Treasure was mostly Scottish words.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter at all what she's
> saying. She actually COULD be raving on about Hitler and it
> wouldn't make me love their music any less.
> In my opinion, the mystery is one of the
> "selling points" of what they do. I like it, and I'd be happy to
> let it go unsolved.
>
> |     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
> | Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
> | Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
> | http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
>


Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 12:49:31 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau's Vid-e-eaus


> Does anyone know any more about this? Was this totally scrapped when they
> left 4AD? Was it merely a compilation of all of their video work or something
> new?

To the best of my knowledge it WAS totally scrapped. My memory of
the situation is muddled and it would take to long to search all
my articles, but I think the project had something to do with
the recording of The Moon and The Melodies, like it was part of it,
or it became the album.

By the way, Ive heard various people report that The Moon and the Melodies
is really hard to find, or out of print. As far as I know, this just
isn't true. Well, it MIGHT be hard to find in some places, but at our
local Virgin Megastore they had several copies, and one other store
out here did too, so if any of you are desparately trying to
get this album, I could probably pick one up for you.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:50:09 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re: cocteau mailing list created


Well, I signed up for the new Cocteau Twins mailing list, but with a heavy
heart. I will now be confused whenever deciding to post any Cocteau-related
turns out to suck (which is no slur against the list owner, but it's hard
to predict how the social dynamic of a list will work out, and many
single-band lists are really awful) should I unsubscribe and risk losing
out on info that doesn't make it to 4ad-l?

I guess this is already an ongoing situation with other thislisty artists.
How do things work out with e.g. the Subbacultcha or Lisa Germano lists?
(We've already heard about how useless the Lush list is...)

I also find it ironic that the welcome message asserts that "there is very
little presence for the Cocteau Twins on the internet", just as discussion
of their new EP becomes the highest traffic thread on 4AD-L. It would also
be nice if the welcome message mentioned 4AD-L or its FAQ. (Yes, I've added
the new mailing list to the FAQ, which I will copy up to the server soon.)

__________
Jens Alfke|__________________     "In this story we sit down on Luna Bridge
           jens@mooseyard.com|     And catch snow in our cupped hands
 __________________________        And music is coming from the houses
 http://www.inow.com/~jens/        Or it sings inside me. I begin to mend."
                                                             --Karen Peris


Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 18:44:06 -0400
From: Neil James (Quixote4@AOL.COM)
Subject: seefeel 'starethrough'


can anyone give me any scoop on 'starethrough' from Seefeel?  is it a single,
ep, or album?  and was it released in the u.s. or just in europe?  any info
would be appreciated (and if you could help me to obtain a copy, i will be
your best friend)  ;-)

also, does anyone know of the status of capitol releasing the 'twinlights'
video?  (i haven't even heard it yet, i ordered the import and waiting for it
to arrive)

i'm going to sleep now-

Q

Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:04:48 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: twinlights

              

actually, mark, (politely) its "we cant seem to shake off the fear that
nothing is different..."

Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:17:36 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: 'Twinlights' secret message?

              <950927121334_30666142@mail06.mail.aol.com>

i think after listeninng to the cocteaus for 15 hours i m confused and
crazy,too.


Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:33:38 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: smiths leagacy again

              <01HVTSUCA00E8WX5F7@grove.iup.edu>

your'e beautiful,. i feel the same way.

Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:26:37 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths

              <199509282302.SAA16681@audumla.students.wisc.edu>

"i know im unloveable...you don't have to tell me."
"...my life down i shal lie..."
Does anyone agree that there is no one that had the same power as the
Smiths? No one sounds like them either.

Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:23:39 -0400
From: Phil Stout (IHATEMILK@AOL.COM)
Subject: 4AD 'ZINES (help!)


My very first question for the list!!!

I collect Zines and I was wondering, does anybody know of any other 4AD
related zines besides DEWDROPS and RIBBON?

DEWDROPS is very good (found out about it and this list from the home page).
Essential for the dream-pop variant of the 4AD sound. They probably made a
deal with the devil (or just bug 4AD incessantly to get all of the
information they get).

I read about RIBBON in a ex-Muses Zine (though still good) called ALARM CLOCK
out of Royal Oak, Michigan and ordered one. I was astounded at the
layout/design (though sometimes impossible to read). It's got other stuff
besides 4AD, but there is a pretty heavy focus on our beloved label. It's one
of the best I've seen.

Anybody got any new ones? Is there anybody on the list who puts out a Zine?
Pleas e-mail me or post.

Is there a RHP Zine that anybody knows of?

Oh well.

I hate milk and me,

Phil

Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:50:20 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mike, I've got your lyrics right here!!!!

              <950930103804_33071446@emout06.mail.aol.com>

hey im not a snot and id be very pleased to have lyrics.


Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:53:58 -0500
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mike, I've got your lyrics right here!!!!


        Zach said:
>hey im not a snot and id be very pleased to have lyrics.

It would make it easier on all of us if you put all your one line comments
into one post so that we could delete them all at once.

Thanks in advance,
cz


Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:23:55 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: the ghost that zach (m) ate.


On Sun, 1 Oct 1995,  wrote:

> your'e beautiful,. i feel the same way.

does anyone else get the feeling that zach
is talking to random ghosts?? make sure when you
respond to the person instead of the whole list
or include what you are responding to... i know
this is confusing somebody!! why isnt anyone saying
anything!! im so alone...

                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu


Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:20:19 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu)
Subject: Re: seefeel 'starethrough'


On Sun, 1 Oct 1995, Neil James wrote:
> can anyone give me any scoop on 'starethrough' from Seefeel?

one ore two?? and do you want that in a sugar
cone??

> is it a single,
> ep, or album?

yes.

> and was it released in the u.s. or just in europe?  any info
> would be appreciated (and if you could help me to obtain a copy, i will be
> your best friend)  ;-)

im not really sure... i think you would
have to get it on import since its on warp...
i havent seen it otherwise...
there are a few places that i think you can get
it.... so mail me back and ill look...

btw... its an ep...
adn one of the best things theyve done...
i am a proud owner of starethrrough because of
the kind sir mark of gatha. (blueeyes.brownhair)

so what should we do first.. go to the park..
i like to swing... hmmm.. tough choices!

                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu


Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 23:18:57 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu)
Subject: free TYI (in PAL) & Re:Thirteen Year Itch


On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, Athol-Brose wrote:

>         I keep hearing about Thirteen Year Itch but I don't know much
> about it. Who's on it, when did it come out, etc. Any help would be
> appreciated...

sorry if someone already responded to this..
but i didnt see a response... so here i am..
the thirteen year itch is a video compilation
(i think its an album too) for one of those
crazy 4ad celebrations.. if you were cool enough
to be around when it was happening you could
have yourself a fine little video that went like this:

the breeders- cannonball
unrest- isabel
pixies- dig for fire/allison
frank black- los angeles
bettie serveert- tom boy
the wolfgang press- kansas
his name is alive- married?
                   lip
                   cant go wrong
this mortal coil- late night
micheal brook- breakdown
heidi berry- the moon and the sun
red house painters- 24
throwing muses- counting backwards
pale saints- blue flower
swallow- ocean and blue skies
lush- super blast
ultra vivid scene- blood and thunder

so pretty coolio i guess..
i wouldnt know because the video i have is in PAL!
argh... so im giving away my TYI video to
anyone who wants it... no contests no auctions...
ill just give it to somebody... i dont know who...
just write to me... of course i will give preference
to anyone who will make me a NTSC version of it..
that would be prime!! dont worry its not first come
first serve or any of that crazy schtuff..
hope that answers your question.. dont go clubbing
and baby seals or anything.

                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu


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