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Subject: legacy of the smiths...a small list
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 23:31:57 -0400
From: NWND@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Subject: Music for sleeping / waking
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:27:39 EST
From: David Boughey (dboughey@MGDESTMX01.ERIN.GOV.AU)
Subject: Re: Hey you geeky audiofiles...
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 23:25:56 -0400
From: MiloV@AOL.COM
Subject: Jack's CT page
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:03:33 +0200
From: Andras Salamon (andras@IS.CO.ZA)
Subject: CT / Frutopia / Switch To Digest
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:52:33 GMT
From: Paul G (SEN4PJG@CARDIFF.AC.UK)
Subject: Attention K-Mart shoppers, paging Brant Nelson...
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:59:14 -0400
From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: Carnage Visors
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 08:32:49 EST
From: "Frey, Bryan" (bfrey@SMTP-ROCKVILLE.DYNAMAC.COM)
Subject: Re: Are Saint Etienne great?
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:40:24 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: Are Saint Etienne great?
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:42:49 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: highway robbery and CT
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:46:41 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Rilkean Heart lyrics
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 08:46:32 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Attack of the happy goths or," I'll die with a good beat pumpin'"
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:41:50 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Rilkean Heart lyrics
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:48:41 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Carnage Visors
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:18:58 -0600
From: kid sunshine (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Jack's CT page
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:10:56 -0700
From: "Michael S. Fischer" (msf@nsi.edu)
Subject: Re: Still no Cocteau Twins lyrics?
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:06:59 -0700
From: "Michael S. Fischer" (msf@nsi.edu)
Subject: Re: highway robbery and CT
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 16:05:46 -0400
From: James Sanchez (JSANCHEZ@HSSCAM.MIS.SEMI.HARRIS.COM)
Subject: Attention K-Mart shoppers, paging Brant Nelson...
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:47:06 -0500
From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: we are an anatomy collective society...
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:32:12 -0700
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: highway robbery and CT
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:25:42 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:51:26 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Twinlights Dimmed
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:55:04 CDT
From: Larry Harbin (LHARBIN@UA1VM.UA.EDU)
Subject: Julian Cope - live in manchester
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:22:52 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Labradford/Cocteau lyrics
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 08:09:45 -0400
From: Gladys the Groovy Mule (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: highway robbery and CT
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:50:12 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Carnage Visors
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:40:03 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: SY and questions - Ida, Moose
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:47:45 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@FOZZIE.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Attack of the happy goths or," I'll die with a good beat
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 16:54:23 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Attack of the happy goths or," I'll die with a good beat
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 06:26:41 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: That whole Smiths Thang
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 23:22:33 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Labradford/Cocteau lyrics
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 17:45:07 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: 3 hours of RHP
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 02:49:14 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: SY and questions - Ida, Moose
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 20:46:13 CDT
From: ariane181@DALLAS.EMAIL.NET
Subject: Re: Jack's CT page
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:05:57 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: the cure, pram
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 20:19:42 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: MUTE Sampler/Lisa Germano
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 03:21:25 +0100
From: "Hugh O'Brien" (hugh@INTERNET-EIREANN.IE)
Subject: Re: highway robbery and CT
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 23:29:24 -0400
From: the lower case n (cinnamon@ONE.NET)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins Need Fire
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 23:54:31 -0400
From: Ann Lin Phillips Academy 97 (alin@k12.oit.umass.edu)

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 23:31:57 -0400
From: NWND@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Subject: legacy of the smiths...a small list


the fine folks of the afghanistan experimantal film corps have compiled a short
and possibly disputable list of "legacy of smiths" songs...i say disputable
because while the smiths were so wonderful a creating the songs in the
previously mentioned style...they were not the first...the list may contain
names that preceeded the smiths...please dont misinterpret their acknowledgment
as to imply that they are products of the style the smiths created...some
however are...(pardon my eccentric nature)

1. gene-london can you wait
2. blur-tracy jacks
3. nick drake-pink moon (at least we felt so)
4. pulp-pink glove
5. big star-o dana
6. red house painters-lord, kill the pain
7. american music club-crabwalk
8. new order-perfect kiss
9. clan of xymox-no words
10.  PATSY CLINE-any and everything!!!!!

peace all
bryan (unloveable)
small list

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:27:39 EST
From: David Boughey (dboughey@MGDESTMX01.ERIN.GOV.AU)
Subject: Music for sleeping / waking


     Nice to be back on here after i was suddenly unsubscribed.  So forgive
     me for being a bit late with this.

     My most favourite music/sleep experience was resting upon green grass
     under blue sky to Phillip Glass Powaqattsi (sp).  I fell asleep (very
     tired) only to wake up during one of the anthem parts to see a mini
     whirlwind spinning directly above me with lot of leaves twirling round
     and round up into the blue.

     Thanks to changes in the requirements for Australian content in
     television commercials, I've now seen the frutopia ad.  Did people
     decide it was the Cocteau Twins?


     David


Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 23:25:56 -0400
From: MiloV@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Hey you geeky audiofiles...


> From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US

> I got a question for you:

> Is anyone on this list using any CD tracking applications on your
computers?


Won't you be glad to know that someone who considers themselves to be a
regularly posting member of this list and a Big Geeky Audiophile, has just
the thing.  It's called CDatabase and you can find it on AOL or Compu$erve or
a couple of other places, or I would be willing to send you the latest
version.  It's a database that I created FileMaker Pro and is really fast and
convenient for all your CDs or Tapes or Records.  And you can write me with
questions or comments on how to improve it.  (really, it's good, I do
FileMaker for a living, and I have 700+ CDs and 400+ Records and Tapes)  Oh
yea, it's been featured on several shareware CDs and several collages have
asked me for permission to use it in their AV depts.

That's not advertising, I'm just really excited!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Hey.  I was listening to "Colours and Shapes" by Pale Saints today, when I

> realized that it was the same sort of thing the Smiths used to do:  happy

> music with depressing lyrics.  I then started to think about other

> non-smiths songs like this.  The only one that came instantly to mind was

> The Boo Radleys' "I Hang Suspended."  I thought to myself, that would make

> a really cool tape. . . depressin pop songs. . .So any others to add?


Pretty Much SCREAMS: Geek the Girl - Lisa Germano (lots of Songs)

I usually avoid vast sweeping recommendations, but, if there is anyone out
that hasn't heard this album they should really try to.


-James 


Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:03:33 +0200
From: Andras Salamon (andras@IS.CO.ZA)
Subject: Jack's CT page


Some perhaps not too positive publicity for Jack's labour of love
    http://www.suck.com/

-- Andras Salamon                   andras@is.co.za


Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:52:33 GMT
From: Paul G (SEN4PJG@CARDIFF.AC.UK)
Subject: CT / Frutopia / Switch To Digest


Excuse my ignorance, but I've been away, and I *thought* I'd
unsubscribed from this list.. Skimming through the stuff in my
mailbox, I see mention of...

a)   "cocteau twins did do fruitopia ad";
      "new EP has track on it I swear I've heard before"

      Is the Fruitopia ad on the EP?

b)   a new address for the list... so where should I unsubcribe now?

c)   "4AD-L Digest"
      Now that's the ideal, how do I switch to that?

regards,

paul g


Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:59:14 -0400
From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: Attention K-Mart shoppers, paging Brant Nelson...


Subject line says all (looks like I've misplaced his address).  Thanks much!

Cheers,


hk

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 08:32:49 EST
From: "Frey, Bryan" (bfrey@SMTP-ROCKVILLE.DYNAMAC.COM)
Subject: Carnage Visors


  >  It reminds me quite a bit of the Cure's "Carnage Visors" (a long &
  >  obscure instrumental track from 1981) and also of the first track on
  >  Seefeel's latest LP.

  Speaking of "Carnage Visors", does anyone know if it has ever found its way
  onto CD?  I know it was found on the b-sides of cassette releases of
  "Faith" for a while, but I lost my copy...


Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:40:24 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: Are Saint Etienne great?


Get Tigar Bay!

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:42:49 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: Are Saint Etienne great?


I've ask this before...How does one join the St. Etienne fan club?


Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:46:41 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: highway robbery and CT


On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, Michael R. M. Cheselka wrote:

> It was quite expensive...but I went back and bought three more.

If you're talking about that $12 price... yeah, you got ripped off in a
major fuckin' way.   Go to your local non-chain store.  I got the import
ep for the normal import ep price of 9.98, while the domestic was 7.98.
Their exactly the same of course, but I just needed to see that CTCD3,
and I refuse to believe that Cocteau Twins are a Capitol recording
artist.  If they're not on 4AD, IMnot-so-HO, their on Fontana.  Fuck
Capitol, we have too much trouble getting serviced by them.  Hell, we
never even GOT Four Calendar Cafe at our radio station... ***sizzle***

Ivo

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 08:46:32 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re: Rilkean Heart lyrics


Martin Wagner asserts:
>My guess would be the poet Rainer Maria Rilke, whose works were quoted
>extensively and in fact partially inspired the movie Wings of Desire.

The poetry in "Wings of Desire" was by Peter Handke, who co-wrote the
script. Are we getting our German writers mixed up or was there actual
Rilke poetry in there too which I missed?

[4AD connection: Nick Cave, formerly of the Birthday Party, appears in
the film. The soundtrack album is btw gorgeous...]

--Jens


Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:41:50 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Attack of the happy goths or," I'll die with a good beat pumpin'"


> >> > >. . .So any others to add?


Several Soft Cell songs come to mind:


Kitchen Sink Drama
Bedsitter
Soul Inside
Tainted Love

I'd even go as far as to say Down in the Subway

In the same vein:

Marc Almond's Tears Run Rings and, hell.... MOST of the Almond/Ball
catalogue (except of course The Grid cuz most of their songs don't have
lyrics.

blah blah blah....


Ivo

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:48:41 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Rilkean Heart lyrics


>The poetry in "Wings of Desire" was by Peter Handke, who co-wrote the
>script. Are we getting our German writers mixed up or was there actual
>Rilke poetry in there too which I missed?


no handke based his portrayl of the angels on rilke's duino elegies. read
them sometime and you will see that the spirit of the angels is contained in
the poems


Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:18:58 -0600
From: kid sunshine (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Carnage Visors


While swimming in a vat of mashed potatoes, Frey, Bryan croaked:
--  Speaking of "Carnage Visors", does anyone know if it has ever found its way
--  onto CD?  I know it was found on the b-sides of cassette releases of
--  "Faith" for a while, but I lost my copy...

afaik it's only on a bootleg cd, not sure how the quality fares on that. i
got this info off the cure list a long time ago, so i don't even remember
what it was called, but i think it was 'carnage' something. as for the
cassette (which i have) i'm sure if you dug around your local indie shops
that are trying to get rid of cassettes you would find one. i went to a
corner store here about six months ago to find a copy and found *three,* so
it is still out there somewhere.
hth,
.j.
anyone i owe mail will get it back sunday night as five hours from now i
will be on my way to a rave in houston and to visit the fam. tah tah.

---
joroses@mail.utexas.edu
andover '94
-
'Today's all-American boy eats both Mom's apple pie and the girl next door.'
-
...in the afterlife, everyone plays guitar...
---

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:10:56 -0700
From: "Michael S. Fischer" (msf@nsi.edu)
Subject: Re: Jack's CT page

              (message from Andras Salamon on Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:03:33 +0200)

>Some perhaps not too positive publicity for Jack's labour of love
>    http://www.suck.com/

I would tend to agree with _Suck_'s opinion.  The lyrics as
transcribed on his site are complete BS...which is why I've been
asking for the past few days if anyone's bothered to get a copy of the
real music from the publishers.

--Mike

--
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:06:59 -0700
From: "Michael S. Fischer" (msf@nsi.edu)
Subject: Re: Still no Cocteau Twins lyrics?

              Cut Off an Ear on Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:43:46 -0400 (EDT))

>I didn't know you'd asked for any Cocteau lyrics...
>
>I have several transcribed songs posted to the Cocteau Twins WWW Page
>at http://grether.haas.berkeley.edu:8080.  Look under LYRICS, I think
>...mine are the one's that say "MIKE BORUM'S TRANSLATIONS".  There have
>been some changes/additions made, but they haven't yet been updated on
>the Web.

Alright, you're now the *third* person to have pointed me to this
site, and, as I've stated, I want the *REAL*, copyrighted lyrics, not
those as interpreted by its listeners.

I'm going to get in touch with Beggars' Banquet since nobody in the
past seems to have done so already.  Sheesh.

--Mike

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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 16:05:46 -0400
From: James Sanchez (JSANCHEZ@HSSCAM.MIS.SEMI.HARRIS.COM)
Subject: Re: highway robbery and CT


I strongly believe everyone on this list needs to contact Capitol and
COMPLAIN about the price gouging being done on the new Cocteau Twins disc.
This is Crapitol/Emi's doing, the suggested retail price is $12.99 with a
wholesale price of about  $9.00 this is horrible considering its only about 10
minutes worth of music. Some labels are now releasing CD singles with a
$3.49 retail price with just as much music. If you consider it only cost
Crapitol 50 cts to manufacture this disc and they are more than likely
screwing the Cocteau's with the royalities, someone who doesn't need or
deserve the money is making a killing at our expense. Buy the import it
should be cheaper!!!!

                                    Consumers before Corporations,
                                         James Sanchez


Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:47:06 -0500
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Digest/unsub/e-mail (K-Mart Shoppers)


From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: Attention K-Mart shoppers, paging Brant Nelson...

>Subject line says all (looks like I've misplaced his address).  Thanks much!

        It seems like we've had an inordinate number of people asking for
personal e-mail addresses, how to unsubscribe, or how to get on digest.
Well, guess what:  Listserv is your friend!  That's right,
"listserv@american.edu" will tell you just how to do all these things (of
course your FAQ is your friend too).  Below is exactly what i got when i
mailed a message with the word "help" in it to listserv.  Note that it tells
me how to unsubscribe (Signoff) and how to do other important things.  To
get a list of everyone on the list (except a few paranoids) then you type
Review 4ad-l.  Brant's address IS in there.  If you need more information
(like for getting on digest) you send an "Info command" message.   Sending
"INFO SET" will tell you that you need to send an intuitive "SET 4AD-L DIGEST".

>LISTSERV version 1.8b - most commonly used commands
>
>Info             Order documentation
>Lists       Get a description of all lists
>SUBscribe listname    Subscribe to a list
>SIGNOFF   listname               Sign off from a list
>SIGNOFF   * (NETWIDE             - from all lists on all servers
>REView    listname      Review a list
>Query     listname               Query your subscription options
>SET       listname  options      Update your subscription options
>INDex             Order a list of LISTSERV files
>GET       filename filetype      Order a file from LISTSERV
>REGister  full_name|OFF          Tell LISTSERV about your name
>
>There are more commands (AFD, FUI, PW, etc). Send an INFO REFCARD for a
>comprehensive  reference card,  or just  INFO for  a list  of available
>documentation files.

-cz

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:32:12 -0700
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: we are an anatomy collective society...


um, sidestepping all the noise getting back to the original question (or
one of them)

the anatomy calendar (xad2020) can be re-used in 1999, 2010, 2021 and
2027 etc (if you ignore the fact that november doesn't have 31 days!).

the other calendar (xad0001) can be re-used in 2001, 2007, 2018 and 2029
etc (and as long as you remember that there are actually 31 days in
july!).

(some sort of six and eleven pattern going on there)

you can also reuse individual months (ie the december dates for 1990
match october dates for 199?) almost always. mine's on my wall at the
moment turned to the month that's similar to the cover of rev just
because it looks good.

i could only be bothered going up to 2030 (my software could only handle
1991-2099), i plan to be dead before then anyway.

andyx
(a.dean@uk22p.bull.co.uk)
btw, my cds are in a flat file on my pc but in an informix database on
the unix box (mmmm, third normal form...). no track times or producers
though, life's too short.

and where do you file 10,000 maniacs? under '1' or 't'?


Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:25:42 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: highway robbery and CT


> I strongly believe everyone on this list needs to contact Capitol and
> COMPLAIN about the price gouging being done on the new Cocteau Twins disc.

For what it's worth, I'll tell their publicist at Capitol.
I thought the price was going to be the standard
$4-6, since this is for all intents and purposes a CD single,
as much as those Belly releases were. Is there really any
difference these days between "singles" and "eps"? I guess Capitol
thinks if they call it an EP they can get away with doubling
the price. This is truly ridiculous.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:51:26 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths


You wrote:

>        *The The* had a penchant for doing this too.  There are
several
>examples on Soul Mining alone.  How bout  "I've been waitin' for
tomorrow
>(all of my life)" and "The Sinking Feeling" and "Giant."
>        ...i'm just a symptom of the moral decay that's gnawing at the
>heart of the country...
>
probably the best theThe example is "The Beat(en) Generation" very
twangy upbeat guitar and those lyrics are scathing, youch...


Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:55:04 CDT
From: Larry Harbin (LHARBIN@UA1VM.UA.EDU)
Subject: Twinlights Dimmed


I purchased Twinlights on Wednesday ($9+) and went home with hope and fore-
boding.  Foreboding won out quickly.  I knew that there was possible trouble
just looking at the cover art.  Was the attempt supposed to be a joke?  The
overt "cuteness" is repellent and only worsens when the digi-pack is opened.
But hoping that this would be the low point, I put the CD in the player and
settled in.  Oh, that the band has reached this low point!  Liz's voice was
flat, emotionless, and making out the lyrics only added to my disappointment.
The half-hearted piano playing combined with what I'm assuming was a deliberate
pseudo-acoustic background is awful.  The songs come out of the speakers and
fall to the floor, lifeless.  I kept thinking it would get better, so I played
it three more times that night and four time yesterday.  I sold it back to the
shop at lunch.  Four other copies had also been sold back to this same shop.
When Four Calendar Cafe came out I was almost certain that one could hear the
tolling of the death knells throughout the CD.  With Twinlights the presence of
the death knells is overpowering. I've loved the Cocteau Twins since hearing
Garlands many years ago, and seeing their growth and hearing the beautiful
music they've made over the years has been a real pleasure in my life.  I truly
hope that this may be just an aberration and that whatever musical aphasia that
they currently suffer from will pass. I have no plans to abjure them forever.
I will await the next project with anticipation, but this current EP brings no
light.  It would be better had they extinguished these twinlights completely.

Larry

"It is very cold,
                  there are strange stars near Arcturus,
Voices are crying an unknown name in the sky."  AM/1930

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:22:52 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Julian Cope - live in manchester


I know its of the list a bit but sorry it was that good.
I went to see Julian Cope at the academy in Manchester last night and
and it was amazing. Three hours!!

He came on with a really weak song and I thought 'oh dear I've got a
cold I am not gonna last', but it got better and after Bill Drummond
Said I was gone. He played about an hour w/. band the just over
without band and then the last nearly an hour (very approx. timings) with band a
ain - wehen we all
went down the front and got quite hot and sweaty. He played lots off
the first two albums World Shut Your Mouth and Fried (I forgot how
much those songs meant to me) a lot of Peggy Suicide and a number of Teardrop's 
ongs (passionate
friend, colours fly away, reward and others to wondrous to mention).
Anyway well worth going to. Still not sure I can face the new album
though.

Richard

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 08:09:45 -0400
From: Gladys the Groovy Mule (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Labradford/Cocteau lyrics


>(I'm no
>expert on models of bass guitar or playing techniques, but I really like
>his sound; it's just like long, thick metal wires being plucked.)
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Umm, how would that be different from the usual sound of a bass guitar? :)

>For those who haven't heard Labradford: analog synths, guitar fuzz, and
>plunky bass guitar recorded in some vast space (I visualize some kind of
>abandoned gymnasium or empty swimming pool) with oceans of reverb. Spooky
>and ambient, but still musical, with really nice, slow chord changes.

I think the new bassist and whatever reverb unit they're using now makes all
the difference. The music seems to have more depth where Prazision just had
this flat-sounding keyboard wash.

I don't know why no one bothers with Cocteau Twins lyrics, but perhaps
people are afraid to find out they've been listening to stuff like that
awful "transcendent experiences" line all this time. Perhaps they should
just stick to making music for Fruitopia ads if they've decided they're
going to put out more of this kind of stuff.

Larry


Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:50:12 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: highway robbery and CT


        Maybe the reason _Twinlights_ costs a little more than expected
is because the packaging is somewhat hefty. Although in digipak, it does
have both of those thick foldouts with the New-Orderesque floral artwork.
I don't know... I paid about $10, which I don't necessarily think is too
much, but anything more would be a flogging--like what a full-length CD
should cost.
        To consolidate what would otherwise be two separate posts, I also
wanted to know if anyone knew what the current Red House Painters lineup
is. I know there's Mark & the new guitarist, but who else? I heard Jerry
Vessel is playing in a different band, so who's their bass player now?

= "Wake up, see    \ If there's no God, why      + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists?         + dread the due changes   =
= done is done..." \  -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..."               =
=  -Ride: "Today"  /   Ontological Proof         +  -Red House Painters    =

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:40:03 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Carnage Visors


> Speaking of "Carnage Visors", does anyone know if it has ever found its way
> onto CD?  I know it was found on the b-sides of cassette releases of
> "Faith" for a while, but I lost my copy...

        Someone already said it's available on a bootleg CD. That's
correct, it's called "Carnage Dream", it has the 27-minute-long "Carnage
Visors" (Seefeel fans should check it out), and I think some live
tracks from the corresponding '81 tour ("Carnage Visors" is a soundtrack
for a minimalist animated film that was used instead of a support band on
the "Faith" tour). I don't have it, so I can't give any insight on the
sound quality, but I've seen it and know it exists.
        Micah (so glad my favorite band is being discussed again here!)

= "Wake up, see    \ If there's no God, why      + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists?         + dread the due changes   =
= done is done..." \  -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..."               =
=  -Ride: "Today"  /   Ontological Proof         +  -Red House Painters    =

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:47:45 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@FOZZIE.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: SY and questions - Ida, Moose


> which contains some of the most relentless, unrestrained feedback
> manipulation I've heard on any recording, even for Sonic Youth (yikes!).
> Tuff stuff.

An' they're a comin' to my school in November...

I need to find Moose XYZ and anything from Ida (I've been looking for
'tales of brave...', but the record store guy told me it was out of
print...???)... preferably from a retail spot, though if you have one you
want to sell, maybe that too...

MIke


Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 16:54:23 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Attack of the happy goths or," I'll die with a good beat

              pumpin'"

>> >> > >. . .So any others to add?
>
>
>Several Soft Cell songs come to mind:
>
>
>Kitchen Sink Drama
>Bedsitter
>Soul Inside
>Tainted Love

I'd add "It's a Mug's Game" to this, too.

Jake

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 06:26:41 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM) > >Which album is this on? Ege Bamyasi. What album/song is the "don't throw ashtrays at me" from? > I always thought that a Catherine Wheel was a type of firecracker ... > well here in Australia anyway .... which once lit , spins around > and generally goes crazy ... ...and it's all fun and games until someone's crushed by a huge wheel with spikes on it Larry "Cocktail Twins? Never fackin' heard of ya!" -unnamed cabbie to Simon Raymonde

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 23:22:33 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: That whole Smiths Thang


Other stuff that falls into that category:
Throwing Muses - Not to Soon
OMD - Genetic Engineering
The Cure - Just Like Heaven (although I've never decided if I think it's more
        happy or sad)
The Pogues - Thousands are sailing (and a hell of a lot more)
The Trash Can Sinatras - Maybe I Should Drive
Unrest - Make Out Club
Liz Phair - Help Me, Mary  &  The Divorce Song

That's about it for now...

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 17:45:07 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Labradford/Cocteau lyrics


larry retorts:
>>(I'm no
>>expert on models of bass guitar or playing techniques, but I really like
>>his sound; it's just like long, thick metal wires being plucked.)
>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Umm, how would that be different from the usual sound of a bass guitar? :)

Maybe I needed a smiley there? My point is that I've heard zillions of
bass sounds, and on "A Stable Reference" the sproingy metallicness is
emphasized in a very nice way. It's a great sound.

>The music seems to have more depth where Prazision just had
>this flat-sounding keyboard wash.

I like them both. "Prazision" is more ambient; at times I wish the new
album would just space out more; the bass does tend to tether it more to
the real world. This is good in some ways, bad in others...

--Jens

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 02:49:14 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: 3 hours of RHP


So THAT'S what 3 solid hours of Red House Painters is like!

The Alligator Lounge must have been breaking every fire
code / legal occupancy limit law there is. And man, was it
hot. What's more, the place has no obvious ventilation.
But I needed to sweat off a couple pounds anyway. So Mark and
the band played a few new songs and a bunch of old ones. Let's
see if I can remember them all: Evil, 24, Medicine Bottle,
Michael, Summer Dress, Grace Cathedral Park (a capella),
Sundays and Holidays, Three Legged Cat, Katy Song, Uncle Joe,
Long Distance Runaround, some other Yes song plus Mark toyed
with bits of Starship Trouper, Strawberry Hill. Maybe some
from Ocean Beach, but I haven't even heard that yet. Long. Some
of these songs are so damn long. Even if they were half as long
they'd be too long. Even so, it was a fine show. Not the best
I've seen them play, though. It might have been the loss of
their guitarist Gordon Mack, or Mark taking up lead electric guitar,
of maybe they just sounded sloppier overall. Who knows. They seem
to want to play a lot harder and noisier than they have before.
Some of these moments where they might as well have been a
heavy metal band were not all that great (I'm afraid I will
never like "Evil"), but luckily there were many more brilliant
moments. Toward the end, Mark did a short unplugged set and had
to be talked into doing Summer Dress. He also did Michal, Sundays,
and Cat; then finished with the a-capella Grace Cathedral Park.
After a fairly stunning rendition, someone in the far back
shouted "did anyone get that on tape?" Mark bitched about not
wanting to play if people were talking. There was quite a din
coming from the back by the bar, and he said there are all the people
who get in on the guest list because they supposedly help
the band in some way, but they're really just here to socialize.
This has always really bugged me too. If you're not there to be quiet
and see the band, then you shouldn't be there. So after this complaint,
a "shut up" or two, and a mock threat that he was going to get out
his knife, everyone was perfectly silent for the unplugged
songs. Score one for Mark! He didn't even need to have anyone
thrown out like at the AVAM show.

Overall, quite an evening. Quite long. Quite late.
Definitely worth the $10.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 20:46:13 CDT
From: ariane181@DALLAS.EMAIL.NET
Subject: SY and questions - Ida, Moose

              

you can order lotsa great Ida stuff from Simple Machines! in fact, they carry
"tales of brave ida" if this is what you are looking for, mike! you can
e-mail them at simplemail@aol.com! :)

janice ariane

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:05:57 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re: Jack's CT page


>Some perhaps not too positive publicity for Jack's labour of love
>    http://www.suck.com/

Actually their main article changes every day (today's is a very
interesting rant against Netscape, well worth reading) so the permanent
URL that contains the thing about the CT page is:


(It's not that they're saying the page sucks, but they point out that
despite Jack's assertion that "almost all the lyrics to Iceblink Luck are
audible", the site contains two almost totally different interpretations
of the lyrics.)

--Jens

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 20:19:42 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: the cure, pram


hey-o.

has anyone out there heard the new cure tribute cd?  i saw it and made the
foolish mistake of thinking, "i'll buy it later."  well, i went back, and it
was gone.  no other rekkidstore around here knows anything about it.  i even
forget the name, but it had glo-worm and at least one other slumberland
band.  the whole thing was decidedly indie, no red hot chili peppers or
anything like that. . .does anyone know anything about this one?

picked up "sargasso sea" today.  brilliant.  reminds me of portishead a
bit, as in the conjure up the same emotions.  a little more accessible,
though, and i like the woman's voice more than Gibbons' of portishead.  the
first track, "loose threads," has been holding my attention.  i keep
listening to it over and over, and i may be driving my roommate insane.  oh
well.  it's not as dark as i thought it would be, though, and i disagree
with that narrative about running to the window or whatever.  it is a
brilliant piece of music, though.  sorry i can't be more descriptive, but i
haven't listened to it enough, yet.

bye now,

eric

"you think there's a better place for you, where everything will be brand
new, and there you'll find yourself safe again, you won't make the same
mistakes again. . ."


Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 03:21:25 +0100
From: "Hugh O'Brien" (hugh@INTERNET-EIREANN.IE)
Subject: MUTE Sampler/Lisa Germano


        Free with the October issue of The Wire magazine is a compilation
        of new and old MUTE stuff feat. new track by Barry Adamson -
        "Something Wicked This Way Comes" which samples Massive Attack.
        Also Lisa Germano appears on a compilation of Irish acts playing
        violin(?) on a track with the Devlins. The album is all live stuff
        recorded in a HMV store here in Dublin imaginatively entitled "The
        HMV sessions". If you're looking for it make sure you get Vol.2.
        Also a little fact in relation to Thom's thoughts on Troy - the ruin
        in the video was a childhood haunt of mine in the Dublin mountains
        and is called "The Hellfire Club". The story goes it was a bar which
        was visited by the Devil who lost at a game of cards and set the place
        ablaze. Hence some dodgy devil-worshipping has taken place here on
        occassion. Question - Where can I get my hands on a 4AD-L t-shirt?
                                                        Cheers,
 Hugh O'Brien            hugh@internet-eireann.ie
"Music has to be sound, otherwise you are lost.Sound
goes into the inner part of the human soul"-Iannis Xenakis


Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 23:29:24 -0400
From: the lower case n (cinnamon@ONE.NET)
Subject: Re: highway robbery and CT

              "Micah Newman" at Sep 29, 95 03:50:12 pm

>         Maybe the reason _Twinlights_ costs a little more than expected
> is because the packaging is somewhat hefty. Although in digipak, it does
> have both of those thick foldouts with the New-Orderesque floral artwork.
> I don't know... I paid about $10, which I don't necessarily think is too
> much, but anything more would be a flogging--like what a full-length CD
> should cost.

At one store I went to on Thursday trying to find a copy of _Twinlights_,
they had inventory/price stickers for the disc but (mysteriously) 'hadn't
received' their copies yet. The price was $12.99. Almost every
full-length CD in that store is only $10.99.

And this was for the DOMESTIC version.

I ended up buying it for $10 at the store I had just quit a part-time job
at a week earlier.

--
     "I feel like life has blown a great big hole through me." -- kb

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 23:54:31 -0400
From: Ann Lin Phillips Academy 97 (alin@k12.oit.umass.edu)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins Need Fire


i'm sorry i haven't sent the money out for the lush cd, but it
will go out tomorrow! my new address is alin@genesis.tiac.net..
please let me know when you reciev th emoney