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Subject: Re: more music to sleep to
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 00:29:14 GMT
From: "Robert A. Szkolnicki" (Robert_A._Szkolnicki@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: Re: 4ad.beggarsbanquet connexion?
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 00:49:17 -0400
From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: we are an anatomy collective society...
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:14:45 -0700
From: "li'l cricket k and john" (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Are Saint Etienne great?
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:05:15 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 00:59:52 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: SY with an unexpected 4ad tie-in
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:21:47 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Legendary Jim Ruiz group!
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:30:38 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: another extremist twinlights opinion
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:37:10 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Beggars Banquet / 4AD
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 07:46:55 +0100
From: Graham Anderson (g.anderson@RPMS.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:50:05 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: finally, a stable reference
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 00:20:24 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Are Saint Etienne great?
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 02:36:48 -0500
From: Sung Shim (zagnut@INTERACCESS.COM)
Subject: The New World Order (Not Ministry)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 01:52:15 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: we are an anatomy collective society...
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 10:25:09 -0700
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: St Etienne & Can
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:06:18 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: hair/żel nuevo Cocteaux no es bueno?
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 06:21:44 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: new DCD album
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:28:44 +0200
From: Douphis Pierre-Olivier (douphis@RHONE.CULTURE.FR)
Subject: Re: Hey you geeky audiofiles...
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:49:51 CDT
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@ANDROS.MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: Are Saint Etienne great?
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:33:58 CDT
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@ANDROS.MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:44:48 CDT
From: Steven W Hill (shill@HARPER.CC.IL.US)
Subject: The Fabulous Baker Boys (or 'Twinlights')
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:24:41 -0400
From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:05:00 CDT
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@ANDROS.MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: Colin Newman hears Thurtene
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:33:44 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Rilkean Heart lyrics
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 10:54:58 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Are Saint Etienne great?
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:19:36 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Are Saint Etienne great?
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:39:54 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: we are an anatomy collective society...
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:37:47 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:44:27 -0400
From: "Francis X. Connor" (waxtrax@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: cocteau shmocteau
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:06:10 -0500
From: dk26064@academia.swt.edu
Subject: Limited Muses
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:11:33 EDT
From: Grover Cleveland (bwilliam@FOGELSON.CSF.EDU)
Subject: Re: Rilkean Heart lyrics
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:18:18 -0600
From: ".mark...der Prinz der Pailletten."
Subject: Re: Rilkean Heart lyrics
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:53:03 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: C-wheel/Glider/Slowdive
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:59:38 EDT
From: Baron Garth (barongar@USWINFO.COM)
Subject: Re: to sleep...perchance to dream...
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:59:32 EDT
From: Baron Garth (barongar@USWINFO.COM)
Subject: Re: Long response (not an attack) to Micah: "alternative" is dead
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:35:11 -0400
From: Elisabeth Reynolds (ereynold@ENCORE.COM)
Subject: Re: highway robbery and CT
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:28:24 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: free Liquorice (Madison)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:33:25 -0500
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: farrago fall 95 catalog (warning - blatant plug!)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:59:21 -0400
From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:02:37 -0500
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Limited Muses
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:31:21 -0400
From: Heather Simas (hsimas@ACAD.BRYANT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:02:48 CDT
From: Steven W Hill (shill@HARPER.CC.IL.US)
Subject: Re: highway robbery and CT
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 01:48:39 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: we are an anatomy collective society...
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:57:40 -0700
From: Athol-Brose (morticia@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Still no Cocteau Twins lyrics?
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:00:19 -0700
From: "Michael S. Fischer" (msf@nsi.edu)
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:01:25 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy!
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:33:36 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Bowie/Tindersticks Questions/etc.
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:47:07 -0800
From: "Heileson, Thom" (heilts1@MACGWX.GHC.ORG)
Subject: Re: highway robbery and CT
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:16:10 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Twinlights inspirations?
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:34:35 -0400
From: Michael Franz (gsource@INTERPORT.NET)
Subject: Re: finally, a stable reference
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:25:57 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re: we are an anatomy collective society...
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:36:38 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Long response (not an attack) to Micah: "alternative" is dead
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:41:48 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Rilkean Heart lyrics
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:53:15 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Limited Muses
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:07:41 -0600
From: "Page S. Tuminello" (pst@BASTE.MAGIBOX.NET)
Subject: smiths leagacy again
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 23:35:57 -0400
From: NWND@GROVE.IUP.EDU

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 00:29:14 GMT
From: "Robert A. Szkolnicki" (Robert_A._Szkolnicki@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: Re: more music to sleep to


Talk Talk's "Laughing..." and "Spirit..." albums are particluar faves of mine
to sleep to.  Same with discs by Low.

One disc that you may NOT want to sleep to is Alan Hovhaness' Symphony No.50
(Seattle Symphony with Gerald Schwartz, conductor).  Falling to sleep is not
the problem with this disc.  It is actually quite relaxing.  The problem is,
it explodes in the middle that'll wake you up in a panic.  Oh yeah, the name
of Symph 50 is "Mount St. Helens".

Enjoy.

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 00:49:17 -0400
From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: 4ad.beggarsbanquet connexion?


>From the pages of 'Lilliput':

"...Ivo and Peter Kent, who worked in the Beggars Banquet record shop which
had recently fathered an independent label, were lent 2000 pounds by Beggars
to start their own.  It was christened Axis, until another Axis complained,
whereupon the name became 4AD.  [insert trumpet herald here]"

And it goes on to say that Peter Kent went on his own to found Situation Two.
 The rest, as we all know too damn well, is history.  Yadda yadda yadda.

Cheers,


hk


Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:14:45 -0700
From: "li'l cricket k and john" (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: we are an anatomy collective society...


>         What does this have to do with 4AD??
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> For pure listening enjoyment...
>                                 THE COCTEAU TWINS
>
> On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, [spiral] wrote:
>
> > how many baby seals were people clubbing for
> > the anatomy calendar last time it was mentioned..?
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  v23 put out an anatomy calendar in...what? '93?? i think that's
  right. so it has everything to do w/4ad...

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:05:15 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Are Saint Etienne great?


As atonement for my recent off-topic postings, I'm planning on a review of
the stuff I picked up last weekend (Labradford "A Stable Reference", Air
Miami "Me Me Me", "The Trip-Hop Test Part 1", "Aural Gratification", and
the latest Eat Static EP whose name escapes me.)

But for right now I have a question -- the first track on "The Trip-Hop
Test" is Saint Etienne's "Filthy", a fabulous bit of laid-back groove with
a beat very much like the Smashing Pumpkins' "I Am One", dub bass,
occasional wah-wah guitar and Hammond organ, and a female rap. Cool!
Now, I'm pretty much unfamiliar with anything else Saint Etienne have ever
done except for "Only Love Can Break Your Heart". Is it all as good as both
of these songs? Which album should I buy first?

__________
Jens Alfke|__________________     "In this story we sit down on Luna Bridge
           jens@mooseyard.com|     And catch snow in our cupped hands
 __________________________        And music is coming from the houses
 http://www.inow.com/~jens/        Or it sings inside me. I begin to mend."
                                                             --Karen Peris

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 00:59:52 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths


        eric said:
>the same sort of thing the Smiths used to do:  happy
>music with depressing lyrics.  I then started to think about other
>non-smiths songs like this.
>. . .So any others to add?

        That's a great idea for a tape.  I suppose i'd put some *Tom Waits*
on there since he's master of that sorta thing too.  "Cemetery Polka" and
"Swordfishtrombone" as well as the not so blase music to the ultra
depressing lyrics of "Franks Wild Years"
                   ...never could stand that dog...

        *The The* had a penchant for doing this too.  There are several
examples on Soul Mining alone.  How bout  "I've been waitin' for tomorrow
(all of my life)" and "The Sinking Feeling" and "Giant."
        ...i'm just a symptom of the moral decay that's gnawing at the
heart of the country...

        *Single Gun Theory* have a song with happy dance song format, "From
a Million Miles"
        ...A corpse was dredged from the sea that night, Hair matted around
its body tight, It was no comfort to identify, the pallid flesh, life
deprived...

And finally for something remotely "thislisty," *Shelleyan Orphan*:
"Little Death"
        ...the telephone, it doesn't ring, I see your face in everything
.... in everything...

-cz


___<<<<<<<<<*********ckemnitz@students.wisc.edu********>>>>>>>>>___

The summer sun ray shifts through a suspicious tree. *though I walk thrugh
the valley of the shadow*  It sucks the air and looks around for me.  The
grass speaks.  I hear green chanting all day.  *I will fear no evil, fear
no evil*  The blades extend and reach my way.  The sky breaks.  It sags and
breathes uppon my face. *in the presence of mine enemies, mine enemies*
The world is full of enemies.  There is no safe place.     -Anne Sexton

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:21:47 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: SY with an unexpected 4ad tie-in


> I seem to remember hearing that the new SY was in some ways a return to
> their
> past style. Is this true? Is it more like "Daydream Nation" or "EVOL" than
> their recent skate-pop stuff?

        No, I would definitely say not. It's choppy and gritty most of
the way, kinda like Thurston Moore's solo album of earlier in the year.
The whole thing is thoroughly Thurston-esque. It's quite good, though. I
just got it today and several times found myself staring open-eyed going
"...wow" while listening. Some of the sonic textures they achieve are truly
wonderful noise. The last song goes for 20 minutes, the last third of
which contains some of the most relentless, unrestrained feedback
manipulation I've heard on any recording, even for Sonic Youth (yikes!).
Tuff stuff.
        BTW, Kim Deal sings lead vocals on "Little Trouble Girl" (4ad
content!), a song unlike any other SY one. It's got this singalong chorus
that made me go "...what? Is this still SY??" She's credited as
"appearing courtesy of Elektra/4ad". Nice to see our ol' label stuck in
there.

= "Wake up, see    \ If there's no God, why      + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists?         + dread the due changes   =
= done is done..." \  -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..."               =
=  -Ride: "Today"  /   Ontological Proof         +  -Red House Painters    =


Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:30:38 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Legendary Jim Ruiz group!


Regarding the Los Angeles show this Friday, I am
on the guest list with an open spot to fill.
Anyone want to claim the "+1" spot? Send me mail
privately.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:37:10 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: another extremist twinlights opinion


        I picked up Twinlights today, and knew pretty much what to expect
from the advance notices I got from the list.
        This EP really is good, though. Liz is in top form (lyrics
notwithstanding!), and like someone else already said, the vocals are
mixed very intimately, so it sounds like she's singing in your ear. The
affect is very nice. Beyond the offending first two lines, I couldn't
understand any of the lyrics, which was nice--like the good ol' days!
        I like the minimalist touch--you can barely hear Robin's guitar most
of the time. Simon's piano is indeed very good. I like what they did with
"Pink Orange Red", and "Golden-Vein" is especially nice. The strings on
"Half-Gifts" are wasted, though; they sound synthetic and add almost
nothing to the overall arrangement.
        A word on "differing from the past"... this of course is unlike
any other previous CT offering, but it still retains the essential CT
elements which have been present in every CT recording since "Treasure" at
latest. Those are:
        a) it sounds 'nice'
        b) the instrumentation is so perfectly executed that Robin and
Simon manage to create music greater than the sum of its parts--you
listen closely and think, "man...they're GOOD!"
        Both of these combined in just the right ratios (100:100,
actually!) give the unique Cocteau Twins effect, which no one else to
my knowledge has successfully duplicated.
        I'll also go with what someone else said about how it kind of
sinks in gently like _Victorialand_. But that's not to say that this
resembles _VL_ in any overt way.
        I recommend, for the undecided, to go ahead and give it a try.


        Micah, instigator of great contention

= "Wake up, see    \ If there's no God, why      + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists?         + dread the due changes   =
= done is done..." \  -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..."               =
=  -Ride: "Today"  /   Ontological Proof         +  -Red House Painters    =

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 07:46:55 +0100
From: Graham Anderson (g.anderson@RPMS.AC.UK)
Subject: Beggars Banquet / 4AD


>4AD was a subsidiary or was distributed by BB.
>Then they split, I'm guessing, maybe 1984?
>Bauhaus moved to the BB label.
>The artists that remain from that period, e.g. DCD, TWP etc.
>have their songs published by BB. I noticed this in the 13YI and the AVAM C=
D
>about the publishing rights info.
>
>-nck

In Kingston-upon-Thames, there is one of the two Beggars Banquet Record
Shops - they have a huge and comprehensive 4AD section, they get all the
ltd eds, you can buy all the poster sets, vids, etc. The other reason I
miss living in Kingston is that new cds are only =A310.99, rather than the
ripoff prices that the unholy OurPrice charges (it ain't MYPrice, thats for
sure!)


   - graham, no longer to be a pawn for an evil government research=
 instsitute -

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:50:05 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths


Virginia Astley had a whole album of achingly sweet
music with depressing/angry lyrics: Hope In A Darkened Heart.
Some samples:

"like a corpse deep in the earth i'm so alone"

"and you know I lie, it's pure indulgent fantasy"

"poor, poor your friends as you twist and use them
 ..... as you slur and abuse them"

"you run away and never no never will I see you again,
but will haunt you forever"

"love's a lonely place to be, surely life is worth more"

The music itself is about as "twee" as it gets. Childlike
nursery rhymes dominated by Ryiuichi Sakamoto's keyboards.
Beautiful, which makes the lyrical content all the more
bitter.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 00:20:24 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: finally, a stable reference


There is probably no other earthly experience comparable to listening for
the first time to a new Labradford album, loud, while sitting alone in a
comfy room. No review just yet, but let me just say YUM. Well worth the
wait suffered, though, I shall say at this early point. A perfect end to
a day that at almost every turn presented me with one fucked up situation
after another, ever just below my pissed-off threshold. Labradford are
like those "Calgon take me away!" commercials. What was that stuff,
bubble bath or what? I must get some.

e


Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 02:36:48 -0500
From: Sung Shim (zagnut@INTERACCESS.COM)
Subject: Re: Are Saint Etienne great?


>But for right now I have a question -- the first track on "The Trip-Hop
>Test" is Saint Etienne's "Filthy", a fabulous bit of laid-back groove with
>a beat very much like the Smashing Pumpkins' "I Am One", dub bass,
>occasional wah-wah guitar and Hammond organ, and a female rap. Cool!
>Now, I'm pretty much unfamiliar with anything else Saint Etienne have ever
>done except for "Only Love Can Break Your Heart". Is it all as good as both
>of these songs? Which album should I buy first?

     Well I also think those two songs are great, however the majority of
Saint Etienne's music is poppy dance music with twists.  They have four full
length releases that I know of:

     _Foxbase Alpha_ : contains "Only Love Can Break Your Heart", and
basically                                      a really fun album.  My
favourites are the dubby "People
Get Real", the SUPER cool "Nothing Can Stop Us Now"
with the fantabulous flute sounds.  Probably what I'd buy
                                     first.

     _So Tough_ : I hear the UK and US versions have totally different mixes of
                             many of the tracks.  I've never heard the UK
version, but I
                             thoroughly enjoy the US one I have.  Poppy lite
airy dance
                             beats (for the most part, "Calico" is darker
and moodier, nice                              imo) accompanying pretty
clever lyrics.
                             First half is really great and the second half
is just pretty good.

     _You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone_ : a Bsides collection, with three
                            new tracks including the lovely "Who Do You
Think You Are?"                             and also containing "Filthy".
The remaining B-sides are just ok,
                            however it contains a version of "Kiss and Make
Up" found on
                            _Foxbase.._ that has a different singer, and is
much better.

     _Tiger Bay_ : Again, US and UK versions differ, I have the UK and I suggest
                             getting it.  A really nice album as a whole,
very dubby at parts
                             but still containing their trademark happy
sounds/clever lyrics.
                             More original and probably their best one.  The
US version
                             contains "I Was Born on Christmas Day" (which
was released
                             as an EP in the UK) which is THE happiest St.
Etienne song
                             ever made.  Really pretty, a duet with the
Charlatans singer and                                Sarah.  I play it a lot
ever xmas season to get in the spirits.

     Mind you, it's definately not the coolest electronic/dance music
available, not the smartest beats, but the lyrics are quite clever and
Sarah's voice is beautiful.  I hear they suck live though:).  I'll stop
contradicting myself now!

sung
---
   zagnut@interaccess.com


Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 01:52:15 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: The New World Order (Not Ministry)


This interrelationship between 4AD, Situation Two and Beggars Banquet seems to b
 more evil and
 widespread than was first envisaged. I keep seeing Mute / 4AD connections. John
Fryer
 producing Mute Artists, recording at Blackwing studios etc. How many bought Ups
airs at Eric's by
 Yazoo because the sleeve was v23? My parents used to warn me of the Illuminati,
and the NWO.
I become afraid, I panic, I buy every release by Mute, 4AD, ST, and BB in a path
tic attempt
to receive absolution and purge my soul.

Then again, David Sylvian also used v23 and he's on Virgin. And SNUB TV.
Back to the theory drawing board.


Chris, scrubbing in vain at the cute 666 tatoo on his head

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 10:25:09 -0700
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: we are an anatomy collective society...


> we are an anatomy collective society...
>
> [spiral] (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
> Wed, 27 Sep 1995 20:08:13 -0400
>
> its in the _this rimy river_ book, but what year is
> that from?? and how long would one have to wait till
> one could use it again, like a real calendar i mean.

don't know about xad2020 (which was the first thing released in 1993
despite the number) but i seem to remember working out that xad0001 can
be re-used in 2001.

and hasn't one of them got a mistake in it? something like 31 days for a
month which only has 30?

i was bored, ok?

andyx
(a.dean@uk22p.bull.co.uk)
hoping that he's spelt his email address right after installing the new
netscape (unlike last time)


Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:06:18 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: St Etienne & Can


Jens Alfke  wrote:
 >
 > But for right now I have a question -- the first track on "The
 > Trip-Hop Test" is Saint Etienne's "Filthy", a fabulous bit of
 > laid-back groove with a beat very much like the Smashing
 > Pumpkins' "I Am One", dub bass, occasional wah-wah guitar and
 > Hammond organ, and a female rap. Cool!  Now, I'm pretty much
 > unfamiliar with anything else Saint Etienne have ever done
 > except for "Only Love Can Break Your Heart". Is it all as good
 > as both of these songs? Which album should I buy first?

"So Tough", if only for "Avenue", which is their finest moment.  If what
I hear about the US version of "Tiger Bay" is true, they have cut out
all the gentle, melancholy bits which make it such a great album - it
was one of those albums which made me late for work on occasion because
I couldn't bear to stop listening to it.  The female rapper is Q-Tee,
who also does one of the songs on "So Tough", but otherwise the vocals
are Sarah's "proper" singing.



"Heileson, Thom"  wrote:
 >
 > > Can: "Pinch"
 >
 > Which album is this on?

"Ege Bam Yasi", one of the best.

 > "Don't throw ashtrays at me." - Can (the most sublime lyric ever
 > sung)

I quite like "carry a spoon in the afternoon", for some reason.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 28/09/95
On my walkman this morning : Mouse on Mars - Iaora Tahiti
So various, so beautiful, so new,

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 06:21:44 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: hair/żel nuevo Cocteaux no es bueno?


Rock stars with problem hair? Try anyone in Oasis: they run the gamut from
cheesy bowlcuts with monobrows to almost no hair to the drummer who recently
left, who had naturally curly hair that looked uncannily like a bad perm.
Then there's Supergrass, but that's getting more into the realm of problem
facial hair (our friend Monkey Boy, and the other guy, the one with the
Brezhnev-style eyebrows).

Songs about problem hair? Well, all I can think of right now is Pale Saints'
"Hair Shoes" - those must be pretty itchy...

>"Rilkean Heart I looked for you to give me transcendant
>experiences..."

Urgh, he must be rolling in his grave, ashamed at the association...

Larry


Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:28:44 +0200
From: Douphis Pierre-Olivier (douphis@RHONE.CULTURE.FR)
Subject: new DCD album


Hi there,
I'm not a subscriber to this list no more but I would like to tell to the
DCD fans that here in France an interview of Lisa Gerrard was published in
"les Inrockuptibles" (french mag) and she said that she and Brendan have
already begun to work on new materials for the next DCD album :-))))
No DEAD CAN DANCE are not dead. Cry it loud everywhere. Joy Joy.
                                   POD
May someone who will have the chance to see Lisa Gerrard live in USA mail me
to tell me how it is ? She was yesterday in Paris and tonight in Rouen but
it is sold out in this two places. She's just doind two dates in France

Email : douphis@rhone.culture.fr
Tel   : 72.00.43.77
Adr   : DRAC Rhone-Alpes
        6, quai St Vincent
        69001 LYON

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:49:51 CDT
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@ANDROS.MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: Hey you geeky audiofiles...

              "Andras Salamon" at Sep 27, 95 11:08 pm

>
> ObThislistyButNot4AD: Still no comments on Sabresonic 2 since June.  In
> fact I don't recall any discussion of Theme or Wilmot or Versus
> either.  I miss the opaque beats from the original Sabresonic; the
> sound seems unfussy, almost excessively clean.  There seems to have
> been a personnel change at The Sabres of Paradise sometime between the
> first album and Haunted Dancehall--perhaps this accounts for the slight
> antiseptic quality?  Luckily I managed to track down a copy of the
> original Sabresonic on CD to replace my aging dub (*phew*); the tape
> was wearing very thin!

I been thinking about getting a Sabres CD, which do you recommend?


kent
kjv@mti.cdc.com
i finally found Leftism

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:33:58 CDT
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@ANDROS.MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: Are Saint Etienne great?

              Shim" at Sep 28, 95 2:36 am

>
>_You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone_ :
a Bsides collection, with three
> new tracks including the lovely "Who Do You
> Think You Are?"  and also containing "Filthy".
> The remaining B-sides are just ok,
> however it contains a version of "Kiss and Make
> Up" found on
>  _Foxbase.._ that has a different singer, and is
> much better.
Only on the first cut.

"Who Do You Think You Are" is also not Sarah singing
(Debsey).

Bob and/or Stanley were going to make an album with
other singers and Sarah was going to make a solo
album, anyone heard anything about these?


kent
kjv@mti.cdc.com
"neither rain, nor hail, nor network subnetting
can keep me from 4AD-L"


Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:44:48 CDT
From: Steven W Hill (shill@HARPER.CC.IL.US)
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths

              Sep 28, 95 12:59 (midnight)

>         eric said:
> >the same sort of thing the Smiths used to do:  happy
> >music with depressing lyrics.  I then started to think about other
> >non-smiths songs like this.
> >. . .So any others to add?

The most obvious is "Love Will Tear Us Apart" by Joy Division.
-shill

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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:24:41 -0400
From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: The Fabulous Baker Boys (or 'Twinlights')


$0.02, strictly.

On an initial, casual listen, this EP is so milquetoast as to be offensive,
but repeated exposure to these four songs reinforce the following points:

1. This is a "nice" disc (to a fault, bloody likely, but nice nonetheless),
although I personally prefer how "nice" something like 'Victorialand' was.

2. Less piano, please, and more guitars?  Pretty please?  Whoever's tapping
the ivory has definitely been taking lessons, but as someone else pointed out
earlier - more Harold Budd, less Billy Joel.  Still it sounds "nice".

3. Liz Fraser still has a beautiful voice.  And even when she is trying to be
coherent (and even poetic, heaven forbid), it is soothingly easy to ignore
whatever proper words she's singing and simply ride on the sounds.

4. As far as this sort of gross minimalism goes, I think Slowdive did a much
better job with 'Pygmalion.'  However, I'm still interested in hearing those
Mark Clifford remixes.

5. I can think of a few folks who most probably made sweaty, screaming,
passionate whooppee to 'Treasure.'  'Twinlights' is most likely the soothing
soundtrack to that post-coital cuddle.  Music for the wet spot, anyone?

Cheers,


hk
[who is much, much happier with the copy of Straitjacket Fits' 'Melt' which
was found at Best Buy for $2 - let's hear it for the cutout bins]


Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:05:00 CDT
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@ANDROS.MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths

              28, 95 9:44 am

>
> >         eric said:
> > >the same sort of thing the Smiths used to do:  happy
> > >music with depressing lyrics.  I then started to think about other
> > >non-smiths songs like this.
> > >. . .So any others to add?
>
> The most obvious is "Love Will Tear Us Apart" by Joy Division.
> -shill

Heavenly, China Crisis, the end could be listless...

kent
kjv@mti.cdc.com
rock the cash bar...

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:33:44 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Colin Newman hears Thurtene


If there are any members of Red Zoo still on this list,
you'll certainly want to read this.

I've recently been in e-mail contact with Colin Newman
[Wire, Wir, Oracle, Immersion, solo 4AD stuff] which
brought me a little bit of anxiety since we have a cover of
"5/10" on our 4AD tribute CD Thurtene that includes a whole ton
of samples. I remember speaking to Ivo at one point and he said
something like he checked with Colin and there would be no
problem. I figured Ivo must have lent him an advance tape I
gave him, but two years later I find out that not only did
Colin not know about the cover but he hadn't even heard it yet!
So I started musing, not all that seriously, mind you, that
he was going to sue us or something, but after I described the
song he said there would be no problem. I sent him a copy
of Thurtene and he had this to say:

>Thanks for sending the CD. Had no problem at all about the "music concrete"
>version of 5/10.
>It's a "spot the obcure sample" thing! :)  A bit from the "Interview" 12"
>is about as obscure as it gets!
>Has anyone over there heard the "Flying Saucer Attack" version of "Outdoor
>Miner" Very  lo-fi!

Based on our trading e-mail, he sounds like a very nice guy.

By the way, there is a newsletter you can subscribe to which
details all Wire and related news, plus handles mail order for
Colin's own record label Swim. Write to LUBERTDAS@delphi.com.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 10:54:58 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Rilkean Heart lyrics


Here's all I was able to get from "Rilkean Heart",
just adding a bit onto what we know already:

Rilkean heart I looked for you to give me
transcendent experiences, to transport me out of
(something) and alienation into a sense of oneness
and connection, ecstatic and magical, I became
a junkie for it (something like "come looking for
the next high" but it's not all that clear)

the rest of the song is not at all easy to make out.
i think there's a few "I'm sorry you're confused"
and possibly a mention of their daughter.

Now, the burning question (and here's where I show my
ingorance) is: who the heck is Rilke? I figured "Rilkean" was
just another made up Cocteau term.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:19:36 CST
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Are Saint Etienne great?


But for right now I have a question -- the first track on "The Trip-Hop
Test" is Saint Etienne's "Filthy", a fabulous bit of laid-back groove with
a beat very much like the Smashing Pumpkins' "I Am One", dub bass,
occasional wah-wah guitar and Hammond organ, and a female rap. Cool!
Now, I'm pretty much unfamiliar with anything else Saint Etienne have ever
done except for "Only Love Can Break Your Heart". Is it all as good as both
of these songs? Which album should I buy first?


I got into St. Etienne from their remix of the Boo Radleys' "Rodney King."
Their first album, "Foxbase Alpha" is their best, though I haven't heard
"Tiger Bay," their latest yet other than a quick scan at the CD store.  It
was markedly different from their other two albums.  I used to own "So
Tough," but didn't like it very much.  It had a couple of standout tracks,
but most of the CD just bit.  The commercials between songs were sort of
cool, though.

eric


Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:39:54 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Are Saint Etienne great?


>
>But for right now I have a question -- the first track on "The
Trip-Hop
>Test" is Saint Etienne's "Filthy", a fabulous bit of laid-back groove
with
>a beat very much like the Smashing Pumpkins' "I Am One", dub bass,
>occasional wah-wah guitar and Hammond organ, and a female rap. Cool!
>Now, I'm pretty much unfamiliar with anything else Saint Etienne have
ever
>done except for "Only Love Can Break Your Heart". Is it all as good as
both
>of these songs? Which album should I buy first?


i can't speak for everyone. but i love them, and think they are
brilliant IMHO. You should really pick up everything. i would either
start at the beginning "fox base alpha" or get "so tough" (my personal
favorite). it has alot of really good songs, i don't think there is one
track on it that i don't like. blah, blah, blah, check them out.


                                    -robert.

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:37:47 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: we are an anatomy collective society...


On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, Athol-Brose wrote:

>         What does this have to do with 4AD??

> On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, [spiral] wrote:
>
> > how many baby seals were people clubbing for
> > the anatomy calendar last time it was mentioned..?

oopps. sorry i didnt realize this
was the militant 4ad-l...
i probably shouldnt mention slowdive catherine wheel
or glider either...

but since im being non-thislisty, would anyone
do my laundry for me if i picked it up for themmm..
ill probably be there in about 2 weeks so if someone
wants to get creative ill pick it up... :)
bye

                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:44:27 -0400
From: "Francis X. Connor" (waxtrax@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths


On Thu, 28 Sep 1995, Steven W Hill wrote:

> >         eric said:
> > >the same sort of thing the Smiths used to do:  happy
> > >music with depressing lyrics.  I then started to think about other
> > >non-smiths songs like this.
> > >. . .So any others to add?
>
> The most obvious is "Love Will Tear Us Apart" by Joy Division.
> -shill
"Love Will Tear Us Apart"--happy music?  I don't think so.  Spooky
keyboards, minor chords, deep vocals--that's prototype goth.

I think the most obvious example is New order's "Blue Monday"--a bouncy
synth-disco beat set to the glumest lyrics ever written.

Peace,
Fran

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I cannot but conclude the Bulk of your Natives, to be the most
pernicious Race of odious Vermin that Nature ever suffered to crawl upon
the Surface of the Earth."
                        --The King of Brobdingnag (i.e., Jonathan Swift)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   Fran Connor---M.A. Candidate in English--George Washington University


Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:06:10 -0500
From: DK26064@SWT.EDU
Subject: Commenting from file


From: dk26064@academia.swt.edu
Subject: cocteau shmocteau


i want to know what ever happened to the ep that was supposed to come out this m
nth by the cocteau twins.  when is their next tour?

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:11:33 EDT
From: Grover Cleveland (bwilliam@FOGELSON.CSF.EDU)
Subject: Limited Muses


    I wonder if any of you can tell me the benefit of having the TM
_University_ limited edition as opposed to the standard release. I
love the album, and the Lim. Ed. is on "sale" here for $26; what is
inside (aside from the disc)?
    Thank-you.
    brian
    bwilliam@fogelson.csf.edu



bun

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:18:18 -0600
From: ".mark...der Prinz der Pailletten."
Subject: Re: Rilkean Heart lyrics


Brant asked:

> Now, the burning question (and here's where I show my
> ingorance) is: who the heck is Rilke? I figured "Rilkean" was
> just another made up Cocteau term.

Rainer Maria Rilke is a fabulous german poet who wrote in the early 20th
century.  of many things he was concerned with the process (and purpose?)
of the aritist.....blahblah.  anyway, i recommend Das Buch der Bilder
(the book of images) or any of his works....

        .mark.


Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:53:03 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Rilkean Heart lyrics


rilke was a german poet of the early twentieth century. he was one of the
greatest poets germany had to offer. go and read him sometime esp. the duino
elegies, a series of peoms which insipred the film wings of desire.

dont any of you ever read anything?  :)


todd sanders
your faithful dead can dance originals finder

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:59:38 EDT
From: Baron Garth (barongar@USWINFO.COM)
Subject: Re: C-wheel/Glider/Slowdive


On September 28, 1995 IN:4AD-L@AMERICAN.EDU wrote to Baron Garth ...

I>  Original Sender: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh 

I>  You wrote:
I>  >
I>  >        I thought a Catherine Wheel was a medieval mode of execution
I>  >whereby the victim was strapped to a huge wheel and it would be set
I>  >on fire and then it was rolled across the land...sounds pretty
I>  outlandish,
I>  >but I heard this somewhere and I have a very vivid mental image of
I>  when I
I>  >first heard the term, I think it was attached to this.
I>  This is too the first "definition" of a catherine wheel i heard as
I>  well, but that it was used on the nasty st. catherine...it also then is
I>  used for reference of a firework which is a wheel with "sparklers" on
I>  the end that shoot off when spun.

I always thought it was a pinwheel...



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From: Baron Garth (barongar@USWINFO.COM)
Subject: Re: to sleep...perchance to dream...


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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:35:11 -0400
From: Elisabeth Reynolds (ereynold@ENCORE.COM)
Subject: Re: Long response (not an attack) to Micah: "alternative" is dead


Wade J Rencsok  responds to

>>                    I get in the habit of calling anything I like
>> "Alternative", so for instance I like Nirvana and would call them that
>> even though they played THE defining role in creating the
>> grunge-pseudopunk playground that is now mainstream.
>
> as far as Nirvanna playing the defining role in psuedo-grunge...blah blah... E
er heard
>  of Greg Sage and his band the Wipers.  and what about Mother Lovebone (or
>  something along that line)  They were doing the Paciffic NW long before a
>  young cat named cobain.  What about the Swell Maps.  The style was already
>  defined, probably even earlier than you remember,  [...]

Ahem.

I think there's a rather distinct differece between saying
"Nirvana played played THE defining role in creating the
grunge-pseudopunk playground that is now mainstream" and saying
that Nirvana defined "psuedo-grunge" or any other musical
style, for that matter.

But maybe that just me.


ereynold@encore.com... remembers the Wipers from back in the
day, but never saw them on "MTV's Most Wanted".

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:28:24 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: highway robbery and CT


mikec@FAUSTEX.COM wrote:

>This is also the first time a domestic CD single/ep by
>them had full color artwork on the CD

Actually, not in the box set, but the single for "Iceblink Luck" has a full
color disc (if my memory serves correct).

As for "Twinlights", it's really not the music that is that bad.
It is, on the whole, a bit samey. To me, it's their weakest EP since
"Iceblink" ("Watchlar" is dreadful), but at least they are stretching. I
mean, it would be very easy for them to keep repeating themselves, wouldn't
it?

Yet more thoughts,

RBNRy@aol.com

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:33:25 -0500
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: free Liquorice (Madison)


        Mmmm, free liquorice.  NO, not the candy.  Simple Machines/4AD
Liqorice will be playing at the University of Wisconsin's Memorial Union for
a free concert this Saturday night.

        I believe that all of the Madisonians on the list already know but
if you live within driving distance it will probably be worth your while.

-cz    ... This has been a public service announcement ...

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:59:21 -0400
From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: farrago fall 95 catalog (warning - blatant plug!)


[sorry for the rampant crossposting, and sorry for the mersh content]

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 A darn near hour of agitating and disturbing sounds produced by a bunch of
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 the Houston Press.

Buddha on the Moon - Translucence (10") $5.50
 Watch it shimmer and slowly sway. Jangly pop spangles gently dissolving
 into sleepy dreamrock spaces then re-emerging into a hand-made shoegazer
 partition of sound. Four songs, amongst which is a cover of Magnetic
 Fields' "100,000 Fireflies."

Various Artists - Emily's #777 (Zine + 7") Sorry, Sold Out
 Zine written and designed by Chip Porter, split 7" (with Jessamine,
 Sabine, and Buddha on the moon) a joint release with the Audrey's Diary
 label.

Lozenge - "Saw a Man" b/w "Stoic" (7") $3.50

Buddha on the Moon - "Broke" b/w "Now That You're a Star" (7") $3.50

Dyn@mutt - A Handbook for Young Scientists (CD) $9.00
 Long division math rock mania with severly catchy pop hooks. Think of the
 Minutemen crossbred with Superchunk in a mad rocket scientist lab accident.

Various Artists - Alles ist Gut! (7") Sorry, Sold Out

* coming soon *
Buddha on the Moon - Stratospheric (CD EP) Due out late October
 A chance collision of the dreamy, noisy, pop, and hand-crafted mid-fi. Six
 songs that bring to mind an early Ultra Vivid Scene with a touch of East
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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:02:37 -0500
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths


>> >         eric said:
>> > >the same sort of thing the Smiths used to do:  happy
>> > >music with depressing lyrics.  I then started to think about other
>> > >non-smiths songs like this.
>> > >. . .So any others to add?
>>
>> The most obvious is "Love Will Tear Us Apart" by Joy Division.
>
>"Love Will Tear Us Apart"--happy music?  I don't think so.  Spooky
>keyboards, minor chords, deep vocals--that's prototype goth.

Sure it's not Bananarama but it still seems like "happy music" to me too.
(what's proto-goth got to do with it?)  In fact it has a lot in common with
a typical Smiths "happy music" song.

-cz    ... If a ten ton truck kills the both of us ... to die by your side
is such a heavenly place to die ...

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:31:21 -0400
From: Heather Simas (hsimas@ACAD.BRYANT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Limited Muses


Hey brian how are you I don't know any of this stuff but I really would
like for you to write back. Get a little personal if you don't mind. we
could be e-mail friends what do you say. If interested write back.

On Thu, 28 Sep 1995, Grover Cleveland wrote:

>     I wonder if any of you can tell me the benefit of having the TM
> _University_ limited edition as opposed to the standard release. I
> love the album, and the Lim. Ed. is on "sale" here for $26; what is
> inside (aside from the disc)?
>     Thank-you.
>     brian
>     bwilliam@fogelson.csf.edu
>
>
>
> bun
>

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:02:48 CDT
From: Steven W Hill (shill@HARPER.CC.IL.US)
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths

              "Francis X. Connor" at Sep 28, 95 2:44 pm

> "Love Will Tear Us Apart"--happy music?  I don't think so.  Spooky
> keyboards, minor chords, deep vocals--that's prototype goth.

Take a look at the shiny happy smiling faces of the people bouncing up
and down when this gets played at a dance club. *They* think it's a
happy, upbeat, bouncy song.
-shill

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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 01:48:39 -0500
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: highway robbery and CT


It was quite expensive...but I went back and bought three more.  Tower
Records explained that it is listed as an ep and not a single, hence
the price.  This is also the first time a domestic CD single/ep by
them had full color artwork on the CD, as opposed to Iceblink Luck and
all the Fontana singles.  The artwork on the digipack and disc is
awesomely beautiful.  The music was good on the first listen, but on
the second listen I was a bit disapointed, so I listened to Treasure(
twice in a row) and then went back to Twinlights.  Twinlights does not
seem as good as Treasure, but Treasure did seem to be dated ever so
slightly afterwords, and Twinlights seemed to sound better after the
side by side.  The most jarring thing, after listening to Twinlights,
was the drums on Treasure.  Even The Moon and the Melodies had a hard
rock edge to it, except for some of the intros, which sounded like
Twinlights a bit.  Song wise, I liked them a lot.  The Rilkean Heart
and Half-Gifts are the best right off.  I noticed they almost start
the same when I was jumping back and forth and became confused.
Someone has already noted that Half-Gifts is really very sad.  Rilkean
Heart is a personal anthem.  I swear I've heard the music before, too.
Anybody recognize it?  This would seem to be an Elizabeth and Simon
effort, with Robin helping out a bit and so having more in common with
The Moon and the Melodies than Treasure.  Milk and Kisses should more
of Robin's sound like a regular Cocteau Twins CD( yea yea I'm guessing
this last bit).

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:57:40 -0700
From: Athol-Brose (morticia@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Re: we are an anatomy collective society...


My question was not a retort. I was simply asking what the connection
between 4AD and baby seal clubbing was.


On Thu, 28 Sep 1995, [spiral] wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, Athol-Brose wrote:
>
> >         What does this have to do with 4AD??
>
> > On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, [spiral] wrote:
> >
> > > how many baby seals were people clubbing for
> > > the anatomy calendar last time it was mentioned..?
>
> oopps. sorry i didnt realize this
> was the militant 4ad-l...
> i probably shouldnt mention slowdive catherine wheel
> or glider either...
>
> but since im being non-thislisty, would anyone
> do my laundry for me if i picked it up for themmm..
> ill probably be there in about 2 weeks so if someone
> wants to get creative ill pick it up... :)
> bye
>
>                 ---> [spiral]
>                 99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu
>


Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:00:19 -0700
From: "Michael S. Fischer" (msf@nsi.edu)
Subject: Still no Cocteau Twins lyrics?


Fellow CT-fans,

I posted a message a few days ago asking if anyone had even *bothered*
to try getting a copy of some music from Beggars Banquet Music or
their American counterpart (I forget the name).

I can't believe nobody has even tried.  And then everyone brushes off
the question, "Does anyone have CT lyrics?" as if they don't exist?

Please tell me at least *someone* has tried...

--Otterley

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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:01:25 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Legacy of the Smiths


> "Love Will Tear Us Apart"--happy music?  I don't think so.  Spooky
> keyboards, minor chords, deep vocals--that's prototype goth.

        Nope--those are major chords.

> I think the most obvious example is New order's "Blue Monday"--a bouncy
> synth-disco beat set to the glumest lyrics ever written.

        "Blue Monday" _does_ use minor chords.

= "Wake up, see    \ If there's no God, why      + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists?         + dread the due changes   =
= done is done..." \  -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..."               =
=  -Ride: "Today"  /   Ontological Proof         +  -Red House Painters    =


Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:33:36 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy!


shill wrote:

>Take a look at the shiny happy smiling faces of the people >bouncing up and
down when this ["Love Will Tear Us Apart"] >gets played at a dance club.
*They* think it's a happy, upbeat, >bouncy song.

You could just about dance to the entire JD repertoire, but that don't make
it "happy".

Wait, I responded to this. Yes, I officially have no life.

Ry

(dancing my heart out to Big Star's "Holocaust")

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:47:07 -0800
From: "Heileson, Thom" (heilts1@MACGWX.GHC.ORG)
Subject: Bowie/Tindersticks Questions/etc.


>Don't forget the new Bowie. Amazing.

Anyone care to post a review of this? Knowing that Eno is involved, I have no
doubt that it must be at least pretty good... but with 112 other CDs already
on my list, I have to be choosy...

-----

>try the new tindersticks album.
>
>reminiscent of  the story albums of nick cane and crime and the city
>solution. and a great set of lyrics to boot

Is this similar to C&CC's Paradise Discoteque? -- an absolutely brilliant
album, arguably a story album, since the 2nd half is the incredible "Last
Dictator" series.

(replies cc'd to me personally, pls.; this list is to cumbersome to always
follow...)

-----

>I also was impressed with Troy with the first listen...and it still
>is a treasure.  My one criticsm...it has such extremes of loud and soft
>that it is hard to set a reasonable sound level for listening.  At one
>point, you can barely hear her voice and the next, her voice is
>distorted due to the volume.  I don't want to second guess the sound
>engineer (well...yes I do), but compression might have been a good
>idea.

My first listen to Troy was upon seeing the dramatic video the first time the
showed it on 120min -- that is one heavy clip! When the Irish ruins explode
in synch with the huge rush of strings & rise in volume...  I knew
when I saw this that this bald girl was destined for something interesting.
Unfortunately, nothing she did post-Lion&Cobra was half as interesting...

-----

>>I believe that ME's 1st record, Mesh & Lace, was 4AD's very first album.
>>Anyone?
>
>Off by miles, surely.  I sorta think I should refer you to that online 4AD
>catalogue, but I'm buggered if I can remember the URL.

first, the URL: http://www.inow.com/~jens/Jens/4AD_FAQ.html

But, I don't have access the the web here. I don't know if I'm off by miles
or not; which artist do you think was 4AD's 1st?

-----

>This is too the first "definition" of a catherine wheel i heard as
>well, but that it was used on the nasty st. catherine...it also then is
>used for reference of a firework which is a wheel with "sparklers" on
>the end that shoot off when spun.

It's all making sense now... this firework was what Simple Minds must have
been referring to on the New Gold Dream album -- and, simultaneously, the
saint (they being nice Xian boys at that point).

    + ---    Thom S. Heileson
   + +-             oR                 [antiAxiomaticism unlimited]
    + -    phASER@cyberspace.com

           heilts1@macgw.ghc.org

"Don't throw ashtrays at me." - Can (the most sublime lyric ever sung)

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:16:10 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re: highway robbery and CT


At 1:48 AM 9/27/95, Michael R. M. Cheselka wrote:
>The most jarring thing, after listening to Twinlights,
>was the drums on Treasure.

The Cocteaux certainly seemed to have bought a lot of new equipment before
recording Treasure, and as a result they really overused some sounds that
in retrospect seem kind of cheesy; I'm thinking mostly of that annoying and
overused DX7 "bell" sound, and I agree that the drum sounds are a bit much
at some points too. This is one of the reasons I'm not as fond of
"Treasure" as of many of their other releases...

(Death to digital synthesizers!)

>This would seem to be an Elizabeth and Simon
>effort, with Robin helping out a bit and so having more in common with
>The Moon and the Melodies than Treasure.

If you're thinking of all the piano on "The Moon & the Melodies", that was
played by Harold Budd. Simon did the bass and some of the synth washes.

__________
Jens Alfke|__________________     "In this story we sit down on Luna Bridge
           jens@mooseyard.com|     And catch snow in our cupped hands
 __________________________        And music is coming from the houses
 http://www.inow.com/~jens/        Or it sings inside me. I begin to mend."
                                                             --Karen Peris

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:34:35 -0400
From: Michael Franz (gsource@INTERPORT.NET)
Subject: Twinlights inspirations?


>I swear I've heard the music before, too.  Anybody recognize it?

Well, on first listen, I felt that the entire EP sounded like it was done
by a Kate Bush wannabe.

And my boyfriend, upon hearing Rilkean Heart, said, "I'd like to teach the
world to sing, in perfect harmony..."

Humm...

Michael

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:25:57 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re: finally, a stable reference


At 12:20 AM 9/28/95, einexile the meek wrote:
>There is probably no other earthly experience comparable to listening for
>the first time to a new Labradford album, loud, while sitting alone in a
>comfy room. No review just yet, but let me just say YUM.

Double that YUM. A worthy successor to their first LP, and the addition of
a bass guitarist does interesting things to the overall atmosphere (I'm no
expert on models of bass guitar or playing techniques, but I really like
his sound; it's just like long, thick metal wires being plucked.)
For those who haven't heard Labradford: analog synths, guitar fuzz, and
plunky bass guitar recorded in some vast space (I visualize some kind of
abandoned gymnasium or empty swimming pool) with oceans of reverb. Spooky
and ambient, but still musical, with really nice, slow chord changes.
It reminds me quite a bit of the Cure's "Carnage Visors" (a long & obscure
instrumental track from 1981) and also of the first track on Seefeel's
latest LP.

>Labradford are
>like those "Calgon take me away!" commercials. What was that stuff,
>bubble bath or what? I must get some.

"Calgon" is 2,4-dioxymethamcetamol, a mild psychedelic and euphoriant with
the unusual property that, while it is neutralized in the digestive tract,
it can be absorbed to some degree through the skin. It was thus marketed as
a bubble-bath, although for obvious reasons the fact that it was a drug was
only slyly alluded to in the ads and never officially admitted by the
manufacturer. However, it was classified as a Schedule 1 narcotic by the
FDA in 1978 and thus removed from the market, after a number of disco
fiends drowned in their tubs after adding a bit too much Calgon ('tho high
blood levels of alcohol, cocaine and 'ludes were implicated in several of
these deaths.) You can still obtain it illegally, of course, although it's
hard to find and generally cut pretty heavily with nasty South American
erzatz Mr. Bubble. Remember, kinds, "Those who do not remember the '70s are
doomed to repeat them."

__________
Jens Alfke|__________________     "In this story we sit down on Luna Bridge
           jens@mooseyard.com|     And catch snow in our cupped hands
 __________________________        And music is coming from the houses
 http://www.inow.com/~jens/        Or it sings inside me. I begin to mend."
                                                             --Karen Peris

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:36:38 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: we are an anatomy collective society...


>My question was not a retort. I was simply asking what the connection
>between 4AD and baby seal clubbing was.

I think the point was that the calendar, not the baby seal clubbing, was the
4AD related content.  The anatomy calendar was put out by 23 envelope (or
was it v23?).

Jake


Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:41:48 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Long response (not an attack) to Micah: "alternative" is dead


>> and is quite catch-all. I get in the habit of calling anything I like
>> "Alternative", so for instance I like Nirvana and would call them that
>> even though they played THE defining role in creating the
>> grunge-pseudopunk playground that is now mainstream. Also, 'Alternative' is
>> NOT the only music I listen to. I am a huge jazz fan (50's to early 60's,
>> Miles Davis, Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane, etc.), and also of classical
>>
>  -^  Miles Davis more people need to get into him.   anyhow, as for
>  Nirvanna playing the defining role in psuedo-grunge...blah blah... Ever heard
>  of Greg Sage and his band the Wipers.  and what about Mother Lovebone (or
>  something along that line)  They were doing the Paciffic NW long before a
>  young cat named cobain.  What about the Swell Maps.  The style was already
>  defined, probably even earlier than you remember, but the books that people

This may be true, but they were the first band to bring that sound to most
of the population.  Most people hadn't heard of Mother Lovebone until after
they'd heard of Nirvana and backtracked.  The ones who start a new sound are
not necessarily (nor even usually) the ones who popularize it.  Although I
would agree that they were hardly the ones who started the "grunge" scene,
they definitely figure into its history in a big way.

Jake

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:53:15 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Rilkean Heart lyrics


On Thu, 28 Sep 1995, Brant Dewdrops wrote:

> Now, the burning question (and here's where I show my
> ingorance) is: who the heck is Rilke? I figured "Rilkean" was
> just another made up Cocteau term.

My guess would be the poet Rainer Maria Rilke, whose works were quoted
extensively and in fact partially inspired the movie Wings of Desire.

Martin


Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:07:41 -0600
From: "Page S. Tuminello" (pst@BASTE.MAGIBOX.NET)
Subject: Re: Limited Muses


Grover Cleveland  wrote:

>    I wonder if any of you can tell me the benefit of having the TM
>_University_ limited edition as opposed to the standard release. I
>love the album, and the Lim. Ed. is on "sale" here for $26; what is
>inside (aside from the disc)?
>    Thank-you.
>    brian
>    bwilliam@fogelson.csf.edu

I have both editions of University. Inside the limited disc are 8 postcards
made of thick paper. These postcards are connected together by Z-folds at
the vertical edges to form a foldout booklet that fits into the outer case
when folded onto itself. When partially opened, it looks like this:

                          \  /\  /\  /\  /
                           \/  \/  \/  \/

The postcards are about 5 inches wide and 5.5 inches high (the size of the
inner disc case.) There are perforations at the edges so that cards can be
removed from the booklet. The artwork on the front of the cards is:

1. Distorted image of a pistol which also appears inside the cover of the
Bright Yellow Gun CD single, except here the background is purple.

2. Negative of a photograph of Bernard (middle chest area down to knees)
holding bass. Not in standard booklet.

3. Negative of a photograph of David (rear view) at drumkit. Not in
standard booklet.

4. Negative of a photograph of Kristin (shoulder area down to thigh)
holding a guitar. Not in standard booklet.

5. Nice pencil drawing by Shinro Ohtake of corner of a room containing
amplifiers and a plant. "Kingsway Studio, New Orleans, 15 Sept. 94". Not in
standard booklet.

6. Fireplace and piano drawing as on page in standard release booklet
containing lyrics to That's All You Wanted and Shimmer. Dark green
background. No "on top" line art as in standard booklet.

7. Drawing of stairway w/brown background. Same as page in standard release
booklet containing lyrics to Hazing and BYG, except w/o the "on top"
drawings of the wicker chair and ladder-like thing on the left.

8. Drawing of moustached man w/glasses on forehead. Dark green background
with photo of band members. Same artwork as in standard booklet.

On the backs of cards 1-7 are song lyrics in white contained in black
vertical bars down the right sides of the postcards. Card 8 is similar and
contains the thank-yous. The rest of the area on the backs is white w/band
and album names in black.

The inner disc case has a paper cover and black plastic disc holder.
(Digipak?) The outside art is like that on the standard CD itself: crumpled
silver paper or metal foil or whatever it is. The inner side of the disc
case is similar to the rear page of the standard booklet except that here a
list of songs appears instead of the thank-yous.

The limited CD itself contains a more blurred, negative image of the
hitchhiker girl of the standard booklet. Colors are purple and white.

The music is the same on both discs.

I advise you to obtain this disc since its value is sure to increase in the
future.  :-)

Page

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 23:35:57 -0400
From: NWND@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Subject: smiths leagacy again


i love the smiths so g*d d*mned much............................




and when a train goes by its such a sad sound



bye
b


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