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Subject: scooter g hammy in the hoooouuse!
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 00:14:48 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Twinlights EP - etherial ramblings or small frisbee?
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 20:36:42 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Hey you geeky audiofiles...
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 20:25:24 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4ad.beggarsbanquet connexion?
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 21:59:00 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Namby Pampy......
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 02:03:29 -0400
From: Ryan Ferguson (ferguson@NETACCESS.ON.CA)
Subject: Re: Twinlights EP - etherial ramblings or small frisbee?
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 01:31:54 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Twinlights EP - etherial ramblings or small frisbee?
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:10:55 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: twinlights
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 01:13:25 -0600
From: ".bigloveeyes." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: good morrow
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 02:21:51 -0500
From: kid sunshine (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: things are in slow motion, but all up to speed...
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 00:38:41 -0700
From: "li'l cricket k and john" (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: a catherine wheel
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 01:32:46 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: List members in FRANCE: READ THIS
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:18:10 +0200
From: Rene CHALON (chalon@irpeacs.fr)
Subject: DeadCanDance
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:11:23 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: "Troy"
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:34:48 -0400
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: the real death of rock and roll
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:32:48 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: band name sources (was Re: DeadCanDance)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:47:38 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: listserv.american.edu
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:50:02 CDT
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@ANDROS.MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: Summit Trading Cards!
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:31:03 -0700
From: "Emile Carter (edc@interserv.com)"@INTERSERV.COM
Subject: Re: things are in slow motion, but all up to speed...
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:08:25 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Modern English, Mesh and Lace
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:38:55 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: 'Twinlights' secret message?
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:13:35 -0400
From: Bairmiami@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: DCD single
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:40:30 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Evangeline/Twinlights
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:09:34 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Legendary Jim Ruiz group!
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:08:36 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Twinlights EP - etherial ramblings or small frisbee?
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:19:12 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD single
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:28:22 -0700
From: Doraemon (zorg@ALOIS.ICON.PALO-ALTO.MED.VA.GOV)
Subject: Re: 4ad.beggarsbanquet connexion?
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:05:16 -0700
From: "Michael S. Fischer" (msf@nsi.edu)
Subject: Re: things are in slow motion, but all up to speed...
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:02:13 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: to sleep...perchance to dream...
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:09:45 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Muses & Miami in Minneapolis...
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:03:49 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: C-wheel/Glider/Slowdive
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:22:43 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Generous monetary compensation offered for...
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:56:31 -0400
From: jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU
Subject: Re: Evangeline/Twinlights
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:56:03 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Air Miami help! please!
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:16:24 -0400
From: Heather Elizabeth Phares (hepcat@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Legacy of the Smiths
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:17:12 +0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Legendary Jim Ruiz group!
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:19:23 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Thirteen Year Itch
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:28:00 -0700
From: Athol-Brose (morticia@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: looking for contributions
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:27:59 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Hey you geeky audiofiles...
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:08:13 +0200
From: Andras Salamon (andras@IS.CO.ZA)
Subject: twins lite
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:59:35 -0600
From: drew schwickerath (schwicke@CS.COLOSTATE.EDU)
Subject: RHP Bootlegs
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:05:19 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: we are an anatomy collective society...
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 20:08:13 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Twin Lite?
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:50:53 -0800
From: "Heileson, Thom" (heilts1@MACGWX.GHC.ORG)
Subject: Re: revelatory music
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 00:38:33 GMT
From: Scott Townsend (scottyt@SHRED.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: things are in slow motion, but all up to speed...
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:51:12 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu)
Subject: Re: C-wheel/Glider/Slowdive
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 10:44:46 +0930
From: Sir Loin (kymtosh@STUDENT.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: we are an anatomy collective society...
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:24:02 -0700
From: Athol-Brose (morticia@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Lisa Gerard in Chicago, let's meet.
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:29:43 -0500
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 00:14:48 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: scooter g hammy in the hoooouuse!


On Mon, 25 Sep 1995, Scott G. Hamilton wrote:
> hi, all:

hey scott g!

> sorry if these are lame-ass questions to you hardcore listies,

nooooo! dont ever dismiss your questions as lameass!
if you have a question, ask it.. dont qualify it!
it becomes lame ass when you say it is...
the old "there are no dumb questions.." thingy..

no one is truly hardcore except e. but
even he is self-proclaimed...

did anyone notice the huge influx of new addresses?!
or did all the lurkers crawl out... c'mon kids what
did i miss?
bye, beautiful and pointless (as always):

                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu

Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 20:36:42 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Twinlights EP - etherial ramblings or small frisbee?


> the lyrics..."Rilkean Heart I looked for you to give me transcendant
> experiences..."  Give me a break.

        That IS awful!! I hope you heard wrong. I'm buying this tomorrow,
so I hope it's good. I'm also buying Sonic Youth's "Washing Machine", and
I at least know *that* will be awesome!

= "Wake up, see    \ If there's no God, why      + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists?         + dread the due changes   =
= done is done..." \  -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..."               =
=  -Ride: "Today"  /   Ontological Proof         +  -Red House Painters    =

Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 20:25:24 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Hey you geeky audiofiles...


Brant Dewdrops wrote:
> I use a Hypercard stack I created myself to catalog the several
> hundred releases I own. It's pretty simple: fields for band name...

        I made an HC stack too for the same thing!! I've programmed it to
do all KINDS o' stuff, like choose 8 to 20 random songs from all 250+
albums and then put it on a field so I can imagine listening to the
random compilation. Hours of fun...
        Also, since I've made a field for catalog #, if two albums were
released the same year on labels belonging to the same conglomerate, I can
tell which one came out first by the catalog # without having to dig out the
actual artifacts. It's also interesting to see which albums have producers,
engineers, recording studios, in common.
        I guess this qualifies me for characterization as a geeky audiophile!
(& proud of it ;))

= "Wake up, see    \ If there's no God, why      + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists?         + dread the due changes   =
= done is done..." \  -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..."               =
=  -Ride: "Today"  /   Ontological Proof         +  -Red House Painters    =


Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 21:59:00 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4ad.beggarsbanquet connexion?


This is how understand it

>i dug out my copy of clan of xymox (cox).
>i remembered buying it at a domestic price from a domestic bin at the
>local music shop back in late-90, early-91.  i was just looking at the
Domestic price? Got lucky I guess?

>packaging and it has all the 4ad markings on it.  no u.s publishing
>house.  pop the cd out of the player and it says "made in france."
I think quite a few 4ad CDs were manufactured in France. My UK copy of
_Treasure_ says Made in France.

>musta gotta good deal.  then my eye's hit the 4ad.  underneath reads
>"beggars banquet music."  an old train of of though.  an old question
>is renewed in my mind.

4AD was a subsidiary or was distributed by BB.
Then they split, I'm guessing, maybe 1984?
Bauhaus moved to the BB label.
The artists that remain from that period, e.g. DCD, TWP etc.
have their songs published by BB. I noticed this in the 13YI and the AVAM CD
about the publishing rights info.

-nck

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 02:03:29 -0400
From: Ryan Ferguson (ferguson@NETACCESS.ON.CA)
Subject: Re: Namby Pampy......


The Pavement line about the drummers hair is pobably another Smashing
Pumpkins diss.  This would seem quite accurate since Jimmy Chamberlan
(sp's drummer) definately has one of the worst hair do's in music.  Other
permanent bad hair days include: all if These Animal Men (in 1995), Rod
Stewart is an obvious choice, Keith Richards comes to mind, Dave Pirner
of Soul Asylum (what the heck is that?), kids at lollapalooza with kool
aide coloring (especially in the rain), myself, as well as a million more
that I can't think of at this time of night.

Cheers,
Ryan


Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 01:31:54 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Twinlights EP - etherial ramblings or small frisbee?


On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Micah Newman wrote:

> > the lyrics..."Rilkean Heart I looked for you to give me transcendant
> > experiences..."  Give me a break.
>
>         That IS awful!! I hope you heard wrong. I'm buying this tomorrow,
> so I hope it's good. I'm also buying Sonic Youth's "Washing Machine", and
> I at least know *that* will be awesome!

Don't forget the new Bowie. Amazing.

Martin

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:10:55 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Twinlights EP - etherial ramblings or small frisbee?


Martin Wagner  writes:

> Don't forget the new Bowie. Amazing.

It is? He's back from the dead after 14 years? I think I'll toddle out
and buy it, then...

While we're on the subject of "are they still any good, then?": Then
new Frazier Chorus mini album was, uhm, not as bad as expected. Or
rather, it was even worse.

It all began with "Sue", all those years back. A quirky, funny,
melodic and downright nice album. I really love it. Tim Freeman
whispering in my ear about such important subjects as sleeping, drying
hair, living rooms, and kitchens. It's a perfect album for those quiet
nights with a cup of tea and a book.

Then we had "Ray", the Ian Broudie produced album which is where
Virgin tried to make them into Superstars. Not a very good album, but
it had some redeeming qualities -- it made me remember how good "Sue"
was.

EMI bought Virgin and booted FC off the label. The two other people
sacked Tim Freeman, and then disbanded. Tim Freeman then took the name
for himself, and released "Wide Awake" on his own record label.

This album is so inoffensive as to be revolting. Everything is so
*smooth*, so *even*, so... so... extremely boring. It's music you
could play in elevators, and people would just believe it was the
regular muzak. It's... *adult*. It's awful.

And I like it. It has these silences that remind me of the silences of
"Wandering Star" by Portishead, for some reason. There's this certain
intimacy that I can't help be charmed by.

So unless you're totally perverse (like me) or totally without musical
taste (like a Dire Straits fan) you should avoid this album.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen


Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 01:13:25 -0600
From: ".bigloveeyes." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: twinlights


no real surprise that the general consensus so far is:  bleecheroo.

fluff. awful. sucks. those damn lyrics again.

that's exactly what i expected everyone to say.  thank you for reminding
me that at least a few things are stable.

i had a wonderful day.  what fun to go the record store, pay money, and
dash home to listen to my goodies.....

(a note on price...i paid $9.98, steep for a 4trackep w/2 songs under 3
min., but i guess much better than $12.99....someone visits a record
store with a markup problem.)

intially twinlights is not as brilliant as need-fire.  intially.  by the
time pink orange red was really going my head was starting to buzz in the
distance.  and then those strange little noises liz makes at the end of
half-gifts really got me.  still....i listened all afternoon...had a nice
interim of seeing three beethoven stringquartets performed live (see
[spiral], really busy...:) )...and then i listened some more.  i don't
think it really hit me until just a few minutes ago.  it's late, my
room is cozy, the air outside is cold.....this ep is beautiful.  i'm
reminded of when i first got victorialand.  i think i listened quite a
few times and kept thinking, "ummmm....what just happened?"  not that
this ep is really like victorialand-era cocteaux, it's just music you
have to sink into.  i am very pleased.  the music here is
powerful...subtly so.  i am not bothered by liz's lyrics....they may not
be anything compared to say simon huw jones or rilke himself, but i don't
find them embarrassing.  for me, it's still the sound of her voice that
touches me....even with the coherent lyrics she's putting a lot into it.
golden-vein is by far my favorite track.  really beautiful, what's the
problem here?  the piano's nice....certainly not sloppy.  i find the
guitar to be lovely...no more repetitive than some things they've done
before.  i'm glad this ep doesn't sound like typical cocteaux....hurrah
for taking a different approach than they're used to.  i'm just as excited
about them following up on this line as i am about them playing with the
need-fire sound.  to be sure, good things are happening.

i was surprised to see the string parts on half-gifts.  didn't robin say
he hated strings in the dewdrops interview?  ahhh....he was just thinking of
another way to slag off on ivo, the big lug.....i think he really likes
those this mortal coil songs afterall.

okay....you all expected this from me.  "can't seem to shake the fear
that everything's the same..."

        .pretendingmyroomisapalace.
                                .mark.

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 02:21:51 -0500
From: kid sunshine (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: good morrow


ah, the joys of reading ~500 4ad msgs. in a row at 1:30 am. i am now mostly
caught up and have to contribute to the 'wonderful on first listen songs,'
many of which caused me to collect said bands' works:
(in order to make this a complete list i am going through my cd collection,
not including everything, but a lot as it is late and i do pointless,
brain-numbing tasks when it is late (like nesting parentheses and reading
~500 4ad msgs. in a row))

(one more note now that i've made a list, these are songs that upon first
listen, i feel a variety of emotions, usually 'this is exactly how i feel'
or 'god this is such a good song, that explains the shit-eating grin i have
on my face,' or 'ohmigodohmigodohmigod this is such an amazing song.')
enjoy. *-marked songs are the songs that got me into a particular band.

afghan whigs - debonair*
air - trip #2* (the song that started my slide into faxcollecktorskumdom)
bailter space - remain
bowery electric - next to nothing (just go get this cd, dammit!)
breeders - doe
chapterhouse - pearl*
catherine wheel - fripp
cure - all cats are grey
d'cruze - heaven
electric company - polymetric accent
fanger&siebert - the cage
lisa germano - cry wolf
global communications - 14'31
                      - epsilon phase (amazing)
hole - violet* (don't *even* start with me on this one)
KofD - drive that fast*
low - slide/lazy
lush - undertow
morphine - i know you (parts 1&2)
moz - late night, maudlin street
mbv - soon*
    - lose my breath
    - no more sorry
pale saints - blue flower
            - henry
pink floyd - *anything* off the more ost
recoil - freeze
rhp - katy song* (how come NO ONE mentioned this?!?)
    - medicine bottle
reload - teq
ride - vapour trail*
sixteen deluxe - honey*
slowdive - catch the breeze*
         - primal
         - when the sun hits
         - cello
         - albatross
spoonfed hybrid - a pocketful of dust
swervedriver - rave down*
that dog. - you are here.
verve - a man called sun
      - slide away*
      - make it 'til monday
      - south pacific
      - history (eh, i should just list every song, they are my favorite band)
wagon christ - mahdelic

there you have it. hmmm, i should make a couple tapes of this stuff, no?

on a side note, the medicine/sixteen deluxe show here a couple weeks back
was fabby. medicine were great, two non-musical highlights of the show were
brad laner lighting a roach (no, not the insect) in the middle of their set
and some guy at the front row playing with the other guitarist's row of
pedals after they left the stage, creating some neat sounds. let me not
forget sixteen deluxe; this local band is imo the best thing the austin
music scene has produced in *years*. i've seen them 5 times now, i think,
and they get better with every show. you're in for an even better treat if
they bring their strobe and smoke machine along on tour. just go see em, k?
oh, and i only caught two songs by long fin killie, but they sucked. well,
the music was ok until the singer started singing. then they were prime
'get off the damn stage' heckling fodder.

this has been the biweekly post from,
.joanna.

oh, btw, my favorite music to sleep to is air-conditioner hum. good night.

---
joroses@mail.utexas.edu
andover '94
-
'Today's all-American boy eats both Mom's apple pie and the girl next door.'
-
...in the afterlife, everyone plays guitar...
---

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 00:38:41 -0700
From: "li'l cricket k and john" (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: things are in slow motion, but all up to speed...


  yep..it's been an evening...

  can anyone suggest some out-there experimental music along the
  lines of disco inferno, pram, dog faced hermans? something with a
  strange edge to it, perhaps more on the guitar-driven side???????

  also, anyone want a curve - doppleganger cd?

  spiral is my pal,

  li'l cricket of twee noise  ...the cat came back, He couldn't stay away...

  btw...laika...saturday...anyone? anyone?


Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 01:32:46 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: a catherine wheel


A catherine wheel is a little bit of what everyone here said, but not
really. I am under the impression that the design was: one wheel laid
down flat with another set on its edge so that they could roll into each
other. The damsel in distress is set on the flat surface and rolled under
the upright wheel, whose outer surface is covered with spikes. And I
guess each time they turn her under it, it rolls over her a little more
heavily. The sanding-the-flesh thing was a nice idea, too, though. Maybe
they did that.

Anyway, they used it on St. Catherine, whenever she lived. I think it was
longer ago than "medieval times" whenever that is, as I am pretty certain
she dies in the city of Alexandria. She was executed for the normal
reasons saints are executed; refused to renounce the Holy Trinity or
something along those lines.

A Catherine Wheel is also the name used for a symbol (a kind of coat of
arms thing) used by Catherine the Great, its name taken obviously from
her namesake (although I don't know if St. Catherine really was her
namesake. Probably not.) WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAZY PEOPLE!!! God I'm glad I
live in America where instead of royalty and the Trinity we have consumer
advocates and the Potato Head family.

This information is probably all false but it's more sensible than what
anyone else posted so there what do ya think of THAT!? :)


 einexile (hartnoll-beats)

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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:18:10 +0200
From: Rene CHALON (chalon@irpeacs.fr)
Subject: Re: List members in FRANCE: READ THIS


>
>I'm looking for:
>
>1. LISA GERRARD: SANVEAN / i am your shadow
>    a french-only cd single

I think it's the free promo disk proposed by Labels/Virgin France.
Together with the Lisa Gerrard album there was a small card to fill-in
and send back to Virgin France to get more info on their disks and to
receive the "Sanvean cd-single" for free (only for the first answers).

I sent back my card two days ago after the release of the LP and I had
no news since. If I get more info (and maybe the single) I will send
you a message.

>2. LISA GERRARD: Deux Titres "Live" (1994)
>    a french promo - VIRGIN, VISA 3558

I don't know this. I will see at my diskstore...

Rene.




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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:11:23 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: DeadCanDance

              -0700 

k-j wrote:

>  ...ralph fiennes is even closer to perfection than hugh grant...

Just make sure you don't accidentally end up with Ranulph Fiennes.  Yech!

Simon Hughes


Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:34:48 -0400
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: "Troy"


  To the individual who listed Sinead O'Connor's "Troy" in their
first-time-I-heard-the-song list, the new Heather Nova cd has a song
very similar and every bit as good.  It's called "Sugar"

  I also was impressed with Troy with the first listen...and it still
is a treasure.  My one criticsm...it has such extremes of loud and soft
that it is hard to set a reasonable sound level for listening.  At one
point, you can barely hear her voice and the next, her voice is
distorted due to the volume.  I don't want to second guess the sound
engineer (well...yes I do), but compression might have been a good
idea.


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU


Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:32:48 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: the real death of rock and roll

              

Micah Newman wrote:

>> Micah Newman's sig gave me quit a chuckle, thanks for the laugh.
>> Specifically, the "If there's no God, why are there atheists?"
>> I would say, If atheists exist are we sure there is there a God?
>
>          Here's the line of thought it's supposed to begin-- It probably only
>makes sense to me, but I'll try to put it in words. Okay, suppose
>there's no God

etc. etc.  The "God exists, doesn't, does, doesn't ..." thread has been
done to death.  The part of Micah's signature that got to me was...

>"Where unadmired beings =
>dread the due changes   =
>ahead..."               =
> -Red House Painters    =

This looks more contentious to me.  Surely it's a Yes lyric (shurely it's a
crap lyric, hic!).

Simon Hughes


Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:47:38 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: band name sources (was Re: DeadCanDance)

              -0500 

Jeff wrote:

>On or about Wed, 20 Sep 1995, Jake Reichert responded to a thread already
>in progress thusly:
>
>> Actually, there have been a few bands around that have done this before.
>> Like Shakespear's Sister from The Smiths' "Shakespeare's Sister",
>
>"Shakespeare's sister" is a reference to the writer's (hypothetical)
>sister, and how poorly she'd've fared due to restrictions of women's
>achievements, which Virginia Woolf described in her _Room of One's Own_

Siobhan Fahey of Shakespeare's Sister was a known Smiths fan, though I've
always hoped she got the name direct from Woolf.

Simon Hughes

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:50:02 CDT
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@ANDROS.MTI.CDC.COM)
Subject: listserv.american.edu


Could someone send me the listserver address for
resubscribing to 4AD-L@AMERICAN.EDU please.
listserv.american.edu didn't work.  I did save a
copy of the faq but it evidently was too old.
thanx

kjv@mti.cdc.com


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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:08:25 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: things are in slow motion, but all up to speed...


try the new tindersticks album.

reminiscent of  the story albums of nick cane and crime and the city
solution. and a great set of lyrics to boot


Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:38:55 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Modern English, Mesh and Lace

              <9509220015.AA28051@dsfmail.ghc.org>

Thom S. Heileson wrote:

>I believe that ME's 1st record, Mesh & Lace, was 4AD's very first album.
>Anyone?

Off by miles, surely.  I sorta think I should refer you to that online 4AD
catalogue, but I'm buggered if I can remember the URL.

Simon Hughes

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:13:35 -0400
From: Bairmiami@AOL.COM
Subject: 'Twinlights' secret message?


Could our beloved Twinners be sending us a hidden message?

Unfold the digipak and you will see the letters 'c t e' on the left and 'i n
s' on the right, both taken from their fancy-shmancy logo.  Rearrange these
letters and you get...

i-n-s-e-c-t?

Either it ties in with the 'nature' theme of the artwork, or the Twinners are
discreetly telling us to BUGger off.  You make the call...


<-=----------------------------+----------------------------=->
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o/` unrest/muses/4AD/teenbeat/sugar/air miami/grenadine/etc. o/`
Coming soon:  look for fine products from BruinHaven, Inc.
LOVE IS HEAVY // Vote Libertarian in '96 // let x = x


Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:40:30 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: DCD single


I also have a single of The Ubiquitous Mr Lovegrove, but it is, in fact,
a promo... through WB.  It has the long version, single version, Wind
That Shakes, and Spider's Stratagem.

Not very interesting, I know.


Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:09:34 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Evangeline/Twinlights


So were there singles for "Heaven or Las Vegas" and "Evangeline" since there
were videos for them?

My two cents (or $9.61 including tax - a pathetic price)

"Twinlights" is the musical equivalent of the 4CC Cover (ie. crap, I've never
felt so blasphemous in me life); however the sleevies are at their post 23
Envelope best (and I don't even mind the digi-pak). It may grow on me, but I
can't see this one winning them any new fans; it should, however, silence
those who say that say the Cocs are samey (although they could've silenced
the critics in better ways). It truly is Cocteau Twins Unplugged (and I hate
unplugged).

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:08:36 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Legendary Jim Ruiz group!


Speaking of which, for all you indiepop/loungers on the list
the LJR-group will be playing this Friday in Los Angeles
at Spaceland. I hear it's in the Silverlake area, which
I believe is near this great German restaurant called
something like the Red Lion Tavern, which is right across the
street from Rockaway Records. I may be totally wrong, though.
Wherever it is, see you there.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:19:12 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Twinlights EP - etherial ramblings or small frisbee?


> > the lyrics..."Rilkean Heart I looked for you to give me transcendant
> > experiences..."  Give me a break.

I was thinking of typing out all the lyrics to this song. When I get
a chance, I'll give it a try. The line I remember is something
like "I became a junkie for you and only looked forward to the next
high". Not an exact quote, but saying the same thing.

brant
|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:28:22 -0700
From: Doraemon (zorg@ALOIS.ICON.PALO-ALTO.MED.VA.GOV)
Subject: Re: DCD single

              "Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}-" at Sep 27,
              95 09:40:30 am

Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- said:
>
> I also have a single of The Ubiquitous Mr Lovegrove, but it is, in fact,
> a promo... through WB.  It has the long version, single version, Wind
> That Shakes, and Spider's Stratagem.

That's what threw me about this particular single, it appears to be an
actual DCD single, not a promo, but it's so cheesily done, decidedly
less interesting than the actual promo.  I'd just like to find out what
the story behind this is.

Ed
--
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zorg@alois.icon.palo-alto.med.va.gov  /\         --
or just shout 'Hey-up Ed!'            \/


Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:05:16 -0700
From: "Michael S. Fischer" (msf@nsi.edu)
Subject: Re: 4ad.beggarsbanquet connexion?

              squeezing a calico extract on Tue, 26 Sep 1995 21:59:00 -0700)

>4AD was a subsidiary or was distributed by BB.
>Then they split, I'm guessing, maybe 1984?
>Bauhaus moved to the BB label.
>The artists that remain from that period, e.g. DCD, TWP etc.
>have their songs published by BB. I noticed this in the 13YI and the AVAM CD
>about the publishing rights info.

I have noticed that at least Cocteau Twins have have their music
published by Beggars Banquet, at least at the beginning.  Has anyone
ever tried to contact them (or perhaps their American counterpart) to
obtain a copy of the music?  Perhaps that would reveal their lyrics,
if they bothered to publish them along with the music (just in case
someone figured them out and stole them, they would have a case to sue
for copyright infringement).

--Otterley

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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:02:13 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: things are in slow motion, but all up to speed...


>  yep..it's been an evening...
>
>  can anyone suggest some out-there experimental music along the
>  lines of disco inferno, pram, dog faced hermans? something with a
>  strange edge to it, perhaps more on the guitar-driven side???????
>
my porcupine tree reccomendation still stands.  does anyone know what the
hidden message on that CD is?  on the little marketing card, you know,
where did you buy this, etc., the last question is "i have discovered the
hidden message contained on this album and it is:"

anyway, porcupine tree is (i think) something like the above bands, strange
edge, more guitar driven than I usually like, but a brilliant fusion of
ambient, prog rock, moody stuff, (sort of like pyg with keyboards and
guitars.)  Buy "The Sky Moves Sideways."  It's brilliant.

eric

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:09:45 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: to sleep...perchance to dream...


You wrote:
>
>what the hell are you talking about i'm getting bored reading about
"how
>to sleep or what to listen while sleeping you guys need to listen to
some
>good music for a change
>
and your point being?  if say something like "listen to some good music
for a change" at least define what you mean by good, kinda a
generalization of the most non-specific kind...

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:03:49 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Muses & Miami in Minneapolis...


You wrote:
>
>I have one ticket for the Air Miami/Throwing Muses show in
>Minneapolis on Thursday, Oct 12th - FREE to the first caller
>at ispy@oak.ncc.umn.edu
>
>Folks, ya just can't beat that price!
>
if no one has claimed, i shall do so.  my address is 2635 Girard Ave.
S. #108  Minneapolis, MN  55408-1156.  I'm also the one who asked if
anyone is going to the Lisa Gerrard show.

cheers, euthelene (Kayleigh)

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:22:43 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: C-wheel/Glider/Slowdive


You wrote:
>
>        I thought a Catherine Wheel was a medieval mode of execution
>whereby the victim was strapped to a huge wheel and it would be set
>on fire and then it was rolled across the land...sounds pretty
outlandish,
>but I heard this somewhere and I have a very vivid mental image of
when I
>first heard the term, I think it was attached to this.
This is too the first "definition" of a catherine wheel i heard as
well, but that it was used on the nasty st. catherine...it also then is
used for reference of a firework which is a wheel with "sparklers" on
the end that shoot off when spun.


Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:56:31 -0400
From: jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU
Subject: Generous monetary compensation offered for...


...the dual US/UK promo CD for Lisa Gerrard's "The Mirror Pool."  I will
give you $40 cash for the thing.  Please!  I'm desperate.  Thanks!

-- Jeff

Jeffrey T. Gayton
jtgayton@polisci.wisc.edu

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:56:03 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Evangeline/Twinlights


> So were there singles for "Heaven or Las Vegas" and "Evangeline" since there
> were videos for them?

HOLV, no. Only a promo 12"/cd-ep. The only commercially released single
from this album was Iceblink Luck.
Evangeline was the first of two UK singles from 4CC.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:16:24 -0400
From: Heather Elizabeth Phares (hepcat@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Air Miami help! please!


Just found out that I'm interviewing Mark Robinson tomorrow at 3:30 pm
EST. Being a big Unrest and AM fan, you wouldn't think I'd have problems
thinking of questions. But! I am paralyzed by nerves! If any of you could
help me with some q's for Mark, please send em my way (hepcat@umich.edu).
Thanks in advance!

heather

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:17:12 +0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Legacy of the Smiths


Hey.  I was listening to "Colours and Shapes" by Pale Saints today, when I
realized that it was the same sort of thing the Smiths used to do:  happy
music with depressing lyrics.  I then started to think about other
non-smiths songs like this.  The only one that came instantly to mind was
The Boo Radleys' "I Hang Suspended."  I thought to myself, that would make
a really cool tape. . . depressin pop songs. . .So any others to add?

just wonderin'

eric

"Do I need you?  I can't say.  Coloured shapes get in my way, and I can't decide
        if we were meant to be. . ."

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:19:23 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Legendary Jim Ruiz group!


You wrote:
>
>SHAME SHAME SHAME on anyone who lives in Houston and did not go see
The
>Legendary Jim Ruiz Group last Thursday!!! THERE WERE ONLY 6 PEOPLE
THERE!!!!
sorry to here about incidents like this.  some people just never get it
do they?  the it being "open mind", "try new bands" "so anything
different besides sit in your room with drawn shades and listening to
the same CD over and over again."

llegendary jim's are a fanatastic band, glad you enjoyed the show, keep
the spirit alive.  having worked in radio, labels and now tour
pormotion, i can say the best thing for getting people to listen, is
word of mouth.  kinda like that irritating shampoo commerical of 5-6?
years ago, and they tell two friends and so on.

as for thislisty and CT, i need a new disc for disc golf anyway, maybe?
maybe not?  the jury is still hearing testimony from the nun who saw
the rabbitt run away...

no this is not supposed to make sense...as if most things in the world
do...adios, euthelene who said she would lurk but just can't help
herself

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:28:00 -0700
From: Athol-Brose (morticia@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Thirteen Year Itch


        I keep hearing about Thirteen Year Itch but I don't know much
about it. Who's on it, when did it come out, etc. Any help would be
appreciated...

                                                -Morticia-

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
For pure listening enjoyment...

                                THE COCTEAU TWINS

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:27:59 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: looking for contributions


there is a new fanzine on the web and people on the UK-Indie list are
editing the effort.  I am working on collecting reviews, interviews and
other tidbits of kitch such as the band name thing we have going here.
so far there are 37 people from the UK-Indie list, + or -.

please keep the contribution to small file size, more like the email
sent on this list.

if i get any takers, i will post the sight immediately, otherwise i
will wait until the first issue is up and running--ETA is November 1,
1995.

anyone that wants to contribute, please email me at
Uthelene@ix.netcom.com.  I'm looking for some of those sleeping lists,
despite some people's death sentence upon them, fav songs on first
listen, interviews and reviews of film, music, live shows whatever.
all credit will go to contributor, with editing at a very minimal
level.  Actually we aren't really editting so much as HTMLing for the
site.

tia - thanks in advance

euthelene

and yes, i've saved some of the posts here, but not all...

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:08:13 +0200
From: Andras Salamon (andras@IS.CO.ZA)
Subject: Re: Hey you geeky audiofiles...


On Tue, 26 Sep 1995 hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US wrote:
> Subject: Re: Hey you geeky audiofiles...
> One of the coolest feature of one of the databases I'm looking at is something
> called "universal search".

You got it!  Geeks use audiofiles--big flat text files--to store their
music data.  Text editors are great for universal search.  ;-)

> The only problem is the above database doesn't have the "tape-maker" feature
> of a similar program.

A quick perl script outputs the data into tapemaker.  Voila!

> tape.  You keep flipping through your CD database and whenever you see a song
> you think you want to add, just click the track number and it adds it to your
> cassette list.

OK, would need a bit of hacking for this.  Perhaps curseperl...

Then again, perhaps talking about our music database apps is really,
*REALLY* not-thislisty.

fact I don't recall any discussion of Theme or Wilmot or Versus
either.  I miss the opaque beats from the original Sabresonic; the
sound seems unfussy, almost excessively clean.  There seems to have
been a personnel change at The Sabres of Paradise sometime between the
first album and Haunted Dancehall--perhaps this accounts for the slight
antiseptic quality?  Luckily I managed to track down a copy of the
original Sabresonic on CD to replace my aging dub (*phew*); the tape
was wearing very thin!

music like Babes In Toyland very restful and droopy-eyelid-inducing?
Einsturzende Neubaten's `Tabula Rasa', Dif Juz and Talk Talk also do it
for me.  Repetition driven artists like Loop, Steve Reich and Seefeel
tend to relax me rather than put help me to sleep.  On the other hand
the angels at MBV and their feedback heaven cherubs Labradford and
loveliescrushing are very much sleepmusic to me; and of course there is
the more obvious restraint of Stina Nordenstam and Honey Tongue.

-- Andras Salamon                   andras@is.co.za

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:59:35 -0600
From: drew schwickerath (schwicke@CS.COLOSTATE.EDU)
Subject: twins lite


well, everybody else is jumping in on the twinlights slagging,
praising.  some are even managing to hit upon both. ;) well, i picked
it up yesterday and have been trying to put together my intelligent
response/analysis/etc.  instead, here is what i have to say. ;) first
an easy point.

the artwork.  the rose on the inside of the cd trifold screams out
peter saville.  so similar to the new order substance sleeves as the
be noticable.  the exterior also is similar to another album cover,
but i have not put my finger on it yet.  anyone?

the music.  my first response was not "*wow*" or "brilliant."  my
response was "i spent 10 bucks on this?!"  so i decided to get my
money's worth and listen to it over and over and over (over 4 times an
hour, since it is only 14 minutes long).

if you try listening to and decyphering the lyrics, you will probably
be disappointed.  assuming you are expecting the cocteau twins.  if
this were some unknown band like the belgian waffle brigade chorus,
i might not mind things like

   its an old game i love
   when you can't have me you want me
   cause you know that you're not risking anything

but from liz, we were expecting the eloquence of obscurity.  so i let
that pass and pretended that this was some band i had never heard.
and it is pretty nice.  (and besides, i cannot understand half of what
she is saying anyway, even though i know they are real sentences.  it
may as well be just sounds.)

the overall feeling is that of intimacy.  there aren't the
eighty-b'zillion effects laying between liz/robin/simon and me.  you
can actually hear liz breath between phrases.  you can hear some of
the fingering on the guitar.  the music feels closer, rather than
ethereal and distanced, like the middle-era cocteaux.  if you happen
to like this feeling (and i do), then you very well may enjoy
twinlights.

looking forward to the next ep while rushing off to class - drew


Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:05:19 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: RHP Bootlegs


willing to work out some sort of deal on?


Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 20:08:13 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: we are an anatomy collective society...


how many baby seals were people clubbing for
the anatomy calendar last time it was mentioned..?
i just saw it for 30 dolla here in k-zoo...
i actually contemplated purchasing the fine piece.

its in the _this rimy river_ book, but what year is
that from?? and how long would one have to wait till
one could use it again, like a real calendar i mean.
bye

                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:50:53 -0800
From: "Heileson, Thom" (heilts1@MACGWX.GHC.ORG)
Subject: Twin Lite?


>He certainly hasn't been taking lessons from Harold Budd. The
>style is that of a Billy Joel ballad, or the Nordstrom's guy just after
>Christmas. "Rilkean Heart" really goes nowhere; in fact the entire ep is
>basically the same few seventh chords over and over in a loop, with
>little variation and none of the darkness you hope for.

OK I'm with ya so far...

>Liz
>is particularly nice on "Pink Orange Red" but the track is such
>Victorialand fodder as to be nearly worthless.

??? How is a comparison to Victorialand, one of CT's best, a negative thing?
It's all subjective, of course; I'm just noticing an incongruity as to the
comparisons made by one whose aesthetics seem otherwise more closely aligned
with mine; i.e. I don't know whether to take e's advice or not...

Well anyway, e's review, combined with Michael Franz's, combined with the
Twins' recent general downward trend, are enough to convince me to skip this
bit o preciousness.

-----


Which album is this on?

-----

>That IS awful!! I hope you heard wrong. I'm buying this tomorrow,
>so I hope it's good. I'm also buying Sonic Youth's "Washing Machine", and
>I at least know *that* will be awesome!

I seem to remember hearing that the new SY was in some ways a return to their
past style. Is this true? Is it more like "Daydream Nation" or "EVOL" than
their recent skate-pop stuff?

    + ---    Thom S. Heileson
   + +-             oR                 [antiAxiomaticism unlimited]
    + -    phASER@cyberspace.com

           heilts1@macgw.ghc.org

"Don't throw ashtrays at me." - Can (the most sublime lyric ever sung)

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 00:38:33 GMT
From: Scott Townsend (scottyt@SHRED.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: revelatory music


In The Nursery- To The Faithful
Cindytalk- snowkiss

purge
--
(I am able to apprehend it only in a series of snapshots, still lifes,
and fast takes of conversation, as it were, and when with heightened
concentration I try to move in closer, everything seems to move away
from me; perhaps I am somewhat overinvolved with this) (- B.Malzberg)

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:51:12 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu)
Subject: Re: things are in slow motion, but all up to speed...


On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, li'l noise cricket k
from her hole in the woods made this sound:

>   yep..it's been an evening...

whooo! i was gettin worried there!

>   can anyone suggest some out-there experimental music along the
>   lines of disco inferno, pram, dog faced hermans? something with a
>   strange edge to it, perhaps more on the guitar-driven side???????

well... probably not as "experimental" as you might
want, but still quite nice...
the lilys _eccsame the photon band_
yo la tengo _electr-o-pura_
thought they were pretty alright at first but
have been in my audio listening equiptment for
transferring information into air waves which my
ears then in turn translate into what we like to call
sound, since sunday... good gui tunes i guess.
especially lilys.

btw.. id like to believe that if a tree falls in the forest that it will
not make a sound if there are no ears around to translate the air
movenment into sound... why

>   spiral is my pal,

who is THAT freak?
spiral is so... oh wait... :)

>   li'l cricket of twee noise

and the forest of sound...

>   btw...laika...saturday...anyone? anyone?

sure! fly me out there! the cows in kalamazoo...
anyone?!
bye

                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu


Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 10:44:46 +0930
From: Sir Loin (kymtosh@STUDENT.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: C-wheel/Glider/Slowdive

              a/k/a Kayleigh" at Sep 27, 95 03:22:43 pm

>
> You wrote:
> >
> >        I thought a Catherine Wheel was a medieval mode of execution
> >whereby the victim was strapped to a huge wheel and it would be set
> >on fire and then it was rolled across the land...sounds pretty
> outlandish,
> >but I heard this somewhere and I have a very vivid mental image of
> when I
> >first heard the term, I think it was attached to this.
> This is too the first "definition" of a catherine wheel i heard as
> well, but that it was used on the nasty st. catherine...it also then is
> used for reference of a firework which is a wheel with "sparklers" on
> the end that shoot off when spun.
>
 I always thought that a Catherine Wheel was a type of firecracker ...
 well here in Australia anyway .... which once lit , spins around
 and generally goes crazy ...

--

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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:24:02 -0700
From: Athol-Brose (morticia@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Re: we are an anatomy collective society...


        What does this have to do with 4AD??
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For pure listening enjoyment...
                                THE COCTEAU TWINS

On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, [spiral] wrote:

> how many baby seals were people clubbing for
> the anatomy calendar last time it was mentioned..?
> i just saw it for 30 dolla here in k-zoo...
> i actually contemplated purchasing the fine piece.
>
> its in the _this rimy river_ book, but what year is
> that from?? and how long would one have to wait till
> one could use it again, like a real calendar i mean.
> bye
>
>                 ---> [spiral]
>                 99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu
>


Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:29:43 -0500
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Lisa Gerard in Chicago, let's meet.


For those of you going to the Lisa Gerard show in Chicago on October 17th,
i'd love to meet some of you at the concert (before/after?).  I'm coming
down from Madison with another listmember.  If anyone is interested in
meeting us drop me a line.  It'll be fun.

-cz
ckemnitz@students.wisc.edu

                ---> [spiral] said:
>btw.. id like to believe that if a tree falls in the forest that it will
>not make a sound if there are no ears around to translate the air
>movenment into sound... why

So if a radiostation broadcasts a show but no-one turns on their radio, is
it still being broadcast?

Radiowaves... soundwaves...  waves is waves.  For that matter if there are
ocean waves when no surfers are at the beach to ride them, do those waves
really exist?


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