Subject: Re: your time tapes esp sound + noise = loops
Subject: Re: Long response (not an attack) to Micah: "alternati
Subject: a coupla questions
Subject: Re: to sleep...perchance to dream...
Subject: Re: "alternative" is dead
Subject: twinlights actually kind of sucks
Subject: Where's Alison's halo contact address?
Subject: Cocteaus, Main, FSA
Subject: music in commercials/music for sleeping/music that's amazing
Subject: Namby pamby white boys playing the devil's music
Subject: Re: Namby Pampy......
Subject: Re: to sleep...perchance to dream...
Subject: Re: Namby Pampy......
Subject: Muses & Miami in Minneapolis...
Subject: Re: to sleep...perchance to dream...
Subject: List members in FRANCE: READ THIS
Subject: i feel silly
Subject: FAQ
Subject: Re: to sleep...perchance to dream...
Subject: DCD single
Subject: Re: "alternative" is dead
Subject: Tracks great on first listen
Subject: Re: to sleep...perchance to dream...
Subject: 4ad.beggarsbanquet connexion?
Subject: highway robbery and CT
Subject: C-wheel/Glider/Slowdive
Subject: Hey you geeky audiofiles...
Subject: Twinlights EP - etherial ramblings or small frisbee?
Subject: Re: Hey you geeky audiofiles...
Subject: Legendary Jim Ruiz group!
Subject: Re: rhp show in L.A. ???
Subject: Re: FAQ
Subject: Re: 4ad.beggarsbanquet connexion?
Subject: Re: highway robbery and CT
Subject: Re: Hey you geeky audiofiles...
Subject: Re: C-wheel/Glider/Slowdive
Subject: CT Vinyl, et other schtuff
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 22:54:51 CST
In Message Tue, 26 Sep 1995 02:22:05 +0100,
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 00:33:04 +0600
Jens said:
>Wade Rencsok argues about the origins of 'grunge'...
>I think the "Seattle sound" that people call "grunge" pretty much dates
>back to bands like Green River and Soundgarden in the mid-80s, and the
>formation of the Sub Pop label. Sure, we can trace those bands'
>influences back to earlier gods like the Stooges and Black Sabbath, but
>one must draw the line somewhere.
Yes, exactly. We need to separate the genesis of the *term* "grunge" from
the *grunge sound*. I grew up in Seattle in the 80's. I saw Green River
and Soundgarden live AND grouped them and Nirvana as a largely
retro-movement in the black sabbathesque vein. Especially since their
listenership were largely (but not solely) grimy metal-listening white
adolescent males. I can't help but think that this is the genesis of the
*term* "grunge" though i can't even remember when i first heard the term.
I'm sure someone has a more definitive knowledge of the origins of the term
but my point is simply that i don't think anyone at the time considered
this to be a completely independent musical "sound." Of course they
borrowed from metal, punk, and quasi-metal bands from the past.
>Myself, I thought Nirvana were a fine band. It's not their fault they
>became the commercial breakthrough and defined 'grunge' for the masses.
>They were just in the right place at the right time with some very
>powerful but catchy songs.
-cz
sold which really brought grunge up from being a bunch of neo-headbangers
to being the next sensation.
back to your regularly scheduled theological discussions...
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The summer sun ray shifts through a suspicious tree. *though I walk thrugh
the valley of the shadow* It sucks the air and looks around for me. The
grass speaks. I hear green chanting all day. *I will fear no evil, fear
no evil* The blades extend and reach my way. The sky breaks. It sags and
breathes uppon my face. *in the presence of mine enemies, mine enemies*
The world is full of enemies. There is no safe place. -Anne Sexton
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 23:18:49 -0700
hi, all:
loved lawren's faqs--thanks very much for the info. still, i'm left with a
couple of questions:
1)can someone give me a rundown of all artists currently signed to 4ad (who
they are/where they came from/what their music's like)? it was hard enough
until to keep up until bands started splintering, signing one-off deals, etc.
2)where can i find a current list of all 4ad releases for the year to date?
sorry if these are lame-ass questions to you hardcore listies, but i've been
on here for a month or so and haven't seen reference to them, so i thought
i'd ask. thanks in advance for your help.
scott
ps--can someone give me the exact instructions for switching to digest?
i've tried several times without luck.
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 01:10:44 +0600
>> spiritualized -- uhh..whatever the new one is...esp. good is the
>> glo-in-the-dark version..a trip to watch until
>> it fades...kinda like it's dozing off with ya...
>i've had to hide mine under a pile of other cds. everytime i turned off
>the light and it started shining it took me by surprise, every time. are
>these things radioactive by the way? i guess they can't be otherwise
>they'd never be allowed to release them. the last tour saw luminous
>t-shirts and i always wondered what the doctors would say when all these
>people started turning up with skin cancer which read 'pure phase'.
OK forget the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (does anyone even remember
them?) because *Luminescence* is unrelated to *Radioactivity*.
Luminescence is caused by the absorption of light and re-emission without
nuclear breakdown and often without even chemical breakdown. It is as
harmless as the light that it emits (yes, visible light is relatively
harmless). Radioactivity is the consequence of atomic instability and can
be harmful.
-cz
"Ahhh, Science. You get all the fun of sitting still, taking notes, being
quiet. Science has it all." -Principal Skinner
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The summer sun ray shifts through a suspicious tree. *though I walk thrugh
the valley of the shadow* It sucks the air and looks around for me. The
grass speaks. I hear green chanting all day. *I will fear no evil, fear
no evil* The blades extend and reach my way. The sky breaks. It sags and
breathes uppon my face. *in the presence of mine enemies, mine enemies*
The world is full of enemies. There is no safe place. -Anne Sexton
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 00:55:59 +0600
Jeffrey said:
>On Sun, 24 Sep 1995, Micah Newman wrote:
>>To me, RHP are only
>> 'folk' insofar as the instrumentation goes. Their music is leaps and
>> bounds beyond popular 'folk', and they definitely have a sound of their
>> own which I would not characterize as 'folk'.
>
>And your average "folk" fan would run screaming from the room when those
>lacerating guitar noises at the end of (bad with song titles--at leats
>one on _Rollercoaster_ and one, too, on _Ocean Beach_) those songs kick
>in....
Let me get this straight. So here's your guys' arguments (paraphrasing):
1) Folk Sucks,
2) RHP don't suck,
3) Therefore they're not folk.
OR
1) An "average folk fan" is unaccustomed to occasional lacerating guitar noises
2) RHP have occasional lacerating guitar noises
3) "Average folk fans" would not recognize this as their beloved folk music
4) Therefore it's not folk music.
I'm neither a fan of folk music NOR average but i can't help but
find this reasoning strange. What's this tremendous need to CLASSIFY. I
know that we need to classify things to **some extent** to convey ideas of
music in a written form but do we really need to divide them into such neat
piles that there can be no overlap, no ambiguity? Why can't we just say
that RHP are folk *influenced* whether we file them in the "Alternative"
bin or not?
-cz
___<<<<<<<<<*********[email protected]********>>>>>>>>>___
The summer sun ray shifts through a suspicious tree. *though I walk thrugh
the valley of the shadow* It sucks the air and looks around for me. The
grass speaks. I hear green chanting all day. *I will fear no evil, fear
no evil* The blades extend and reach my way. The sky breaks. It sags and
breathes uppon my face. *in the presence of mine enemies, mine enemies*
The world is full of enemies. There is no safe place. -Anne Sexton
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 00:46:13 -0700
Cocteau Twins - Twinlights
I was wrong. I thought this was very beautiful when I heard it in a
record store. Maybe I heard something different, but I have it now and
it's kind of a big piece of junk. Is this Robin Guthrie playing the
piano? He certainly hasn't been taking lessons from Harold Budd. The
style is that of a Billy Joel ballad, or the Nordstrom's guy just after
Christmas. "Rilkean Heart" really goes nowhere; in fact the entire ep is
basically the same few seventh chords over and over in a loop, with
little variation and none of the darkness you hope for. It's almost
infuriating. "Golden-Vein" is even moreso because it throws you back and
forth between distinct branches of the song but never with any satisfying
high point or resolution, only the occasional maudlin cliche you would
hear in an embarrassingly sentimental movie or a very sad video game. Liz
is particularly nice on "Pink Orange Red" but the track is such
Victorialand fodder as to be nearly worthless. At least it has a
recognizeable chorus that doesn't lead you in neverending circles like
Your Ghost with its head cut off. It really does sound like they took
tapes of Liz off the cutting room floor and pasted them together here.
Totally uninteresting, and a tremendous disappointment after Lifeforms
and even "Need-Fire" and even Foul Catheter Cave. "Half-Gifts" is more
Billy Joel, more inept piano playing and loser Cure strings. I can
picture Judge Dredd slumped over his keyboard, an empty bottle of cheap
wine just barely hanging from his limp grip...Christ, there's that word!
She said RELATIONSHIP, huhuh huh huh huhhuhuh...
Bleagh.
At least the artwork is good. Very white, with colored pencil or
watercolor? drawing of rose stems and a flower or two, reminds me a bit
of Sara Midda but with a distinct style. Actually I guess they are
photographs? Whatever. That and a nice new curly logo and nice curly
squiggle scribbles that are decidedly non-v23 but still classy. Oh well.
Still bleagh.
e
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 16:12:19 +0900
*** this article concern "alison's halo" ***
I'm photographer recently joined this list :-)
in recent day, i luckily got a alison's halo's limited "Dozen"e.p. at last.
i was looking for it throughout a year. that works precisely tell me that
some established status of highest sentiment. in short it hit me. included
two songs are both desparately beautifull, tiny jacket work (but it's not
like v23's one) as well as songs.
and.... once i'd read an article that noticed alison's halo contact address
and how to get their works on this 4AD-L. it was written under a name of
'adam' that probably guiterist and song composer of the alison's halo
theirselves.
so i made a contact with adam and could knew how to get. but unfortunately
my macintosh was broke and data was gone in last week. also conatct data is
without exception.
if you know alison's halo contact address, please note me. i hope adam read
this.
thanx in advance.
P.S. does someone know of kind of web things consern alison's halo?
--
naoyuki fukumoto
[email protected]
Tokyo National University of Fine Arts and Music
Coma Graphics - Integrated graphic laboratory
+++this week's anthem - sometimes I want you to hurt me so strong - +++
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 09:09:00 +0100
An uncommonly good day for singles, yesterday:
Cocteau Twins - Twinlights EP (Fontana, CTCD3)
Rilkean Heart / Golden-Vein / Pink Orange Red / Half-Gifts
Sleeve is by "Blue Source", photography (of rose stems) by Nick
Knight. Also available as a double 7" pack, each 7" is in its own
sleeve with a larger sleeve to contain both. Nice artwork - Blue
Source are also responsible for the very different artwork on the new
Pulp single, which I haven't had a chance to listen to yet. A card
inside says that the "ambient EP Otherness is available 26th October".
Others have commented on the music already, I'll just add a "wow!" to
the pile (and ignore e's mithering, please!). Simple piano, Liz
singing without the aid of multi-tracking or effects, a little guitar
in the background, and some muted strings on the final song.
"Half-Gifts" is the closest in style to the "ripped out of a therapy
book" lyrical style of the last album, the first two songs are more
emotionally complex, and the stripped-down "Pink Orange Red" is simply
beautiful.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Main - Ligature (remixes) (Beggars Banquet, BBQM43CD)
Now available on CD, with three extra remixes of "Motion Pool" tracks,
all by Main (the five original remixes included a couple by Main, and
one each from Paul Schutze, Jim O'Rourke, and Paul Kendall). A
bargain, at five quid for over an hour of music. I bought Paul
Schutze's "Apart" at the weekend, and was not over-impressed -
"Ambient" in the tinkly Eno sense rather than the darker, dronier stuff
I was expecting. Not bad, but nothing to write home about either.
The fourth installment in the Hertz singles series is also out now,
"Haloform", in three parts. It's far and away the best of the bunch so
far - part 1 features all sorts of odd noises (is that a frog sitting
in a disused sewer pipe?), parts 2 and 3 are closer to the "Motion
Pool" sound, droning instrumentals with treated guitar noises added.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Flying Saucer Attack - Outdoor Miner / Psychic Driving (Domino, RUG41)
FSA have now officially Sold Out, as this single is also available on
CD, with last-but-one single "Land Beyond the Sun" / "Everywhere was
Everything" added (and I am extra-sad because I bought both formats).
I have always thought that Lush's cover of the Wire song was one of
their finest moments, and it's hard to listen to FSA's version without
imagining Emma and Miki singing in the chorus. B-side is a sludgy
repetitive instrumental, and the two bonus songs on the CD are the
standard FSA "sweet pop songs with tons of distorted noise" formula.
--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // [email protected] // 26/09/95
On my walkman this morning : Teenage Fanclub - Grand Prix
To one another! for the world, which seems
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 06:45:58 -0400
Brian of "John, Paul, George, Ringo and Brian" fame wrote:
>The Sundays "Wild Horses" made into a beer commercial
>Lush's "Sweetness and Light" for Volkswagon
>Yesterday I saw Luna on Vh-1
>Life sucks!
^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes, but as bad as it is, VH-1 is not worth dying over...I think one of the
best ways to dismiss a band once you believe they've become irredeemably
terrible is to say "I always thought they sounded like music for beer
commercials anyway". Then when they *do* end up doing so, you can say "See!
I told you so!" And if the above examples make you despair, I guess you
won't want to see the Molson Ice ad that features "How Soon Is Now?"
(without vocals, so Johnny Marr got all the royalties)...
Actually, I don't mind bands letting their music be used in commercials; I
just wish they chose them a bit more judiciously. I mean, what does
"Sweetness and Light" have to do with driving? It'd be better in an ad for
Nutrasweet, whereas music for car commercials might best be left to
Swervedriver. The possibilities are endless.
Eine kleine sleepmusik:
Cocteau Twins: Victorialand, The Moon and the Melodies
Brian Eno: Apollo
Thomas Koener: Teimo (because it's barely audible)
Revelatory stuff? Well, I tend to be a bit wary of stuff that grabs me
immediately, because that usually means I'm going to get tired of it
eventually. This almost always happens with the Big Hit Single on an album -
there's nothing like overexposure to really kill a song's appeal (e.g. when
I put on my copy of Star, I edit out Feed The Tree). I like stuff that takes
a while to get into and keeps revealing surprises. Nevertheless, some things
have appeared brilliant right away:
Cocteau Twins: "Pink Orange Red", "Throughout the Dark Months of April and
May", "Carolyn's Fingers"
Saint Etienne: "Like the Swallow"
Spoonfed Hybrid: "Naturally Occurring Anchors"
New Order: "Lonesome Tonight"
The House Of Love: "Plastic"
Larry
PS There is no such thing as alternative. That's the easiest definition to
go by.
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:17:36 BST
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 06:47:18 PDT
>Do you know of any other rock stars with problem hair? If so, why not
>write in. There's a free months supply of anti-dandruff shampoo for the
>best entry.
I think the question should be finding a rock star without
problem hair. What about problem hair songs?
e.g.
Birthday Party: The Hair shirt ......(I think)
Chris,
Bored - can't you tell?
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:01:35 +0100
Hi!
Could you be so kind and tell me how to unsubscribe?
I have tried all e-mail addresses that have to do with my problem,
but it seems they don't work. Maybe they are wrong or I did sth
incorrectly.
thanx, artur
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:33:07 EDT
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:07:41 -0500
Sep 2, 95 09:52:46 am
I have one ticket for the Air Miami/Throwing Muses show in
Minneapolis on Thursday, Oct 12th - FREE to the first caller
at [email protected]
Folks, ya just can't beat that price!
And remember: ride safely!
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:21:15 -0400
what the hell are you talking about i'm getting bored reading about "how
to sleep or what to listen while sleeping you guys need to listen to some
good music for a change
On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, cz wrote:
> >> spiritualized -- uhh..whatever the new one is...esp. good is the
> >> glo-in-the-dark version..a trip to watch until
> >> it fades...kinda like it's dozing off with ya...
> >i've had to hide mine under a pile of other cds. everytime i turned off
> >the light and it started shining it took me by surprise, every time. are
> >these things radioactive by the way? i guess they can't be otherwise
> >they'd never be allowed to release them. the last tour saw luminous
> >t-shirts and i always wondered what the doctors would say when all these
> >people started turning up with skin cancer which read 'pure phase'.
>
> OK forget the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (does anyone even remember
> them?) because *Luminescence* is unrelated to *Radioactivity*.
> Luminescence is caused by the absorption of light and re-emission without
> nuclear breakdown and often without even chemical breakdown. It is as
> harmless as the light that it emits (yes, visible light is relatively
> harmless). Radioactivity is the consequence of atomic instability and can
> be harmful.
>
> -cz
>
> "Ahhh, Science. You get all the fun of sitting still, taking notes, being
> quiet. Science has it all." -Principal Skinner
>
> ___<<<<<<<<<*********[email protected]********>>>>>>>>>___
>
> The summer sun ray shifts through a suspicious tree. *though I walk thrugh
> the valley of the shadow* It sucks the air and looks around for me. The
> grass speaks. I hear green chanting all day. *I will fear no evil, fear
> no evil* The blades extend and reach my way. The sky breaks. It sags and
> breathes uppon my face. *in the presence of mine enemies, mine enemies*
> The world is full of enemies. There is no safe place. -Anne Sexton
>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 18:31:20 +0200
I'm looking for:
1. LISA GERRARD: SANVEAN / i am your shadow
a french-only cd single
2. LISA GERRARD: Deux Titres "Live" (1994)
a french promo - VIRGIN, VISA 3558
If you can get those items or know any more information about them: please
mail me...
Emiel Efdee
------------------------------------
- rotterdam, the netherlands
- [email protected]
- http://www.luna.nl/~efdee/
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 09:25:26 -0700
Last night I was listening to Lisa Gerrard's "Mirror Pool" for the third
time and rather enjoying it. Avoiding my homework I was gazing at the
cover and thinking "what a bizarre and twisted image, like some big
vortex of hell or something." Then I turned it sideways. Oh, I felt
silly.
Thanks for everyone who helped me find the RHP show in LA. I can't
believe it's next to McCabe's, as I was just there Saturday night for a
Robyn Hitchcock show and it's an hours drive from my house. Ah, the
sacrifices for good music.
matthew
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:50:23 -0600
Could someone send me the URL for the FAQ? I seem to have misplaced it.
thanks,
eric
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 12:51:34 -0700
You wrote:
>
>what the hell are you talking about i'm getting bored reading about
"how
>to sleep or what to listen while sleeping you guys need to listen to
some
>good music for a change
oh, terribly sorry that we are not entertaining you! what would be good
music, since i don't listen to any?
-robert.
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:18:50 -0700
I tried sending this out a while ago but it appears it never made it to
the list. Apologies if this gets posted twice.
---------------------------------------------------
I came across an odd item today that I'd not heard about. It's a single
for Dead Can Dance's Ubiquitous Mr Lovegrove. This was pressed in Canada
and distributed by Polygram. There's no fancy cover; in fact it looks
like one of those oldie single reissues or those generic dance singles.
There isn't even an insert. There's a little 4AD label on the disc
itself but otherwise it doesn't resemble a 4AD release. There's no
indication that this is a promo CD, it certainly doesn't look like
the promos for this particular song that I've seen. It also has The
Wind that Shakes the Barley. Lastly, I found this at Tower Records
of all places. Are there any other singles like this, pressed in
Canada or elsewhere?
If anyone is keeping track of these kinds of things, let me know and
I can send you the catalogue numbers and whatnot.
Ed
--
Edward Wakabayashi /\ What is this forgetfulness?
Sleep Lab, x4227 \/ Who keeps screaming poppies, poppies?
[email protected] /\ I don't know. Man, I love to fish!
or just shout 'Hey-up Ed!' \/ **Engine 88**
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:51:18 -0500
On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, the folk-influenced cz wrote:
>
> Let me get this straight. So here's your guys' arguments (paraphrasing):
>
> 1) Folk Sucks,
> 2) RHP don't suck,
> 3) Therefore they're not folk.
>
> OR
>
> 1) An "average folk fan" is unaccustomed to occasional lacerating guitar noise
> 2) RHP have occasional lacerating guitar noises
> 3) "Average folk fans" would not recognize this as their beloved folk music
> 4) Therefore it's not folk music.
>
For me, the "OR" more than the first one. But...
> I'm neither a fan of folk music NOR average but i can't help but
> find this reasoning strange. What's this tremendous need to CLASSIFY. I
> know that we need to classify things to **some extent** to convey ideas of
> music in a written form but do we really need to divide them into such neat
> piles that there can be no overlap, no ambiguity? Why can't we just say
> that RHP are folk *influenced* whether we file them in the "Alternative"
> bin or not?
>
RHP are folk *influenced*. There.
I don't know the "need" to classify--I at least have resorted to saying
"good music" when asked what kind of music I like--but once a discussion
about classification comes up, it's kinda hard to enter the discussion
w/out talking about classification, no?
I at least understood the initial post-er (not Micah) to be syaing "RHP
are really just folk music," and my bit about the lacerating gtr was
simply meant to say, "well, probably a lot of people who like 'just folk
music' would *not* like that asepct of RHP, even if they like the rest."
(I may well test this theory w/a couple of friends who are into mostly
John Prine, T-Bone Burnett, Indigo Girls, etc.: all "folk-influenced" if
not "just folk" artists.)
And, uh, I'm one who doesn't often like "folk" because too much of it
falls into this sort of cloying sincerity mode (I'm an ironist through &
through I guess)--but strangely enough, that very too-overt *expression*
of "sincerity8" seems less actually sincere than it should. There's
something appealing about the *intensity* of someone like Kozelek, Mark
Eitzel of AMC, etc. (perhaps especially to this thrown iron...)
--Jeff
Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:50:40 -0800
>Tracks great on first listen:
I wasn't originally going to post to this thread -- just too many songs --
but after thinking about it one classic "first listen" song to mind: "Soon"
by My Bloody Valentine.
And "Feed Me" by Wire. ...and "Garbage" by Autechre...and "Starethrough" by
Seefeel...and... OK I'll stop...
+ --- Thom S. Heileson
+ +- oR [antiAxiomaticism unlimited]
+ - [email protected]
[email protected]
"Don't throw ashtrays at me." - Can (the most sublime lyric ever sung)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:51:50 -0500
Heather Simas Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:52:42 -0600
rather than think about the existance of god or darwin or stephen
hawkings or peter smurph(y), i dug out my copy of clan of xymox (cox).
i remembered buying it at a domestic price from a domestic bin at the
local music shop back in late-90, early-91. i was just looking at the
packaging and it has all the 4ad markings on it. no u.s publishing
house. pop the cd out of the player and it says "made in france."
musta gotta good deal. then my eye's hit the 4ad. underneath reads
"beggars banquet music." an old train of of though. an old question
is renewed in my mind.
what is the connection between 4ad and beggars banquet?
after all, the early cocteau twins stuff (like the first single) was
on bb, right? and some of the bauhaus, peter murphy, tons on tail
were on 4ad and then on beggars banquet. and now clan of xymox?
since i didn't really start listening to 4ad til the mid-80's and
didn't start seriously following the label until around 90, i am out
of the know. is anyone in the know?
just seeking more useless 4ad trivia - drew
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:18:39 -0700
Just bought the new Cocteau Twins. Payed $12.99!!! Is it just me or was
perhaps this a little high. I called a couple stores and evidently this
was the average price. Ouch. Even the import EPs were cheaper.
I must say though that the package was very nice. My first listening
prompted a reaction along the lines of "what the ??..." and I was
confused. Sure, the piano was nice and all but this is Cocteau Twins?
I've loved everything so far but this certainly was different. After I
listened to it again I liked it a little more and I'm sure I'll get used
to it. But wow, what a difference. I must say though that I still like
the original version of Pink Orange Red quite a bit more.
Still reeling from dizziness,
matthew
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:36:36 -0800
>catherine wheel was the name of a book in the 50's and a medeveal torture
>device that they used to torture st. catherine with attempting to tear her
>limbs from her body.
I thought I heard that a Catherine wheel was a torture device in which a huge
stone wheel was slowly, gradually moved towards/into the victim whilst
spinning, eventually "sanding" away the victim's flesh. On that note...
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>Didn't Slowdive take their name from a track on a Siouxsie album? And
>here in Calgary we have a band called Glider courtesy of MBV.
Quelle coincidence... I just did some font/design work for my brother's
dreampopish band, which they were going to name glider. Not to worry, though;
they changed their minds. Do the Calgarian Glider folk want any free logos?
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>On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, squaring the circle and studying Zen, Micah Newman
Aha! I knew there had to be some fellow Wir(e) fans about...
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>No, actually, Slowdive came from a dream Niel (the male singer) had once.
>He dreamt of two words, Slowdive and Slowburn. This is according to an
>Alternative Press interview I read.
But he must have been at least subconsciously aware of the Siouxsie song
title... a bit too unlikely of a coincidence otherwise.
+ --- Thom S. Heileson
+ +- oR [antiAxiomaticism unlimited]
+ - [email protected]
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"I'll give you an example, typically.
It's less complicated than it simply should be." - Wire
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 16:06:44 -0500
I got a question for you:
Is anyone on this list using any CD tracking applications on your computers?
I have downloaded a whole bunch of apps from the info-Mac archives, and some of
them seem VERY slick, but I'm a-feared which one I want to sink 100s of
man-hours putting data into.
Does anyone have any good/bad experiences with programs they've used? Like,
"this one is great, but it won't let me put tracks and various artists in, like
my Heavenly Voices CD". Or "the one that makes a listing for a tape you're
making is cool, but it crashes everytime I get finished making a tape listing."
I think I like "CDLux" and "Audiofile" the best. Maybe this will help other
people who are looking to catalog their 4AD collection as well.
marvynHortman (excited about moving his CD collection from his cheesy Excel
database he created 5 years ago...)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 18:33:44 -0400
Having been a Cocteau Twins fan since 1983, and followed them through their
many ups and downs artistically, I must say that I have been disappointed
at times, but have still loved everything they have done... that is up
until "Twinlights". This is the weakest piece of fluff I have heard from
anyone in a long time. The acoustic version of "Pink Orange Red" is
pretty, but not very satisfying. And the rest of the EP could be disposed
of. The insipid piano and the Perry Como strings are unlistenable. And
the lyrics..."Rilkean Heart I looked for you to give me transcendant
experiences..." Give me a break. I wish Liz would give up English again,
I know that she is trying to learn to express herself better, but I much
preferred when she sang unintelligible syllables.
I understand that this EP is not representative of the music on the
forthcoming album, and for that I thank Goddess. "Need-Fire" was amazing.
I felt that they had taken the direction they had been going and melded it
with the power that they used to have. I for one would like to hear more
along this vein.
I knew it was bound to happen one day, I just hope that this EP is an
isolated incident.
Michael Franz
(wearing my flameproof garments)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 16:03:34 -0700
> (excited about moving his CD collection from his cheesy Excel
> database he created 5 years ago...)
I use a Hypercard stack I created myself to catalog the several
hundred releases I own. It's pretty simple: fields for band name,
song titles, catalog number, label, and comments; plus check boxes
for the kind of release. It's not what I would call "slick" by any
means, but it works for me and it was extremely easy to create.
About the most complicated thing I ever try to do with it is
search for all songs that include a certain word in the title.
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:23:38 -0500
SHAME SHAME SHAME on anyone who lives in Houston and did not go see The
Legendary Jim Ruiz Group last Thursday!!! THERE WERE ONLY 6 PEOPLE THERE!!!!
It was just awful. Here you have 5 sweet kids playing indie bossanova sappy
love songs to an audience consisting of mabye 3 people who actually knew
the words and were singing along giddily, 2 metal chicks who were too drunk to
realize tht they were dancing to music they would sneer at if they were sober
(besides it was a chance to impress the stoner bartender, you can't blame
them!), and one other guy who was their manager I think, and therefore dosen't
count, and one other guy who was staring into oblivion and would occasionally
scratch his head furiously at 8 minute intervals. IT WAS AWFUL!
For all of you who are constantly dissing Houston as the cultre-void of the
entire world, you missed a swell band that, get this *CAME ONLY TO HOUSTON, AND
BYPASSED AUSTIN*. I can certify that none of you were there! I don't want to
see anymore "houston sucks, man" posts (and god only knows how much of other
people's time we've wasted with that lil' thread, like the folk in say, SOUTH
AFRICA, get any good tours...)
ANYWAY, away with the soapbox - The kids were just darling. Patsy and Edina
would well approve if they had any heart in them at all... Stephanie didn't
want to sing, and Jim threatened her saying, "I pay you to be here! you have to
sing, I'll make you sing!" Their drummer's reputation for drinking anyone under
the table was exposed, and Jim told us all about his jazz guitar influences...
Afterward I spoke to them appologising for the lack of fans (yes, this means
you, HK! ;P) and they were quite sweet. Jim even gave me a copy of the latest
Chickfactor!! Jim also said at the radio station they were interviewed at The
interviewer said she liked their music, but not the sappy love song quality i
it. the girl just didn't get it, did she? Imagine, the nerve!
cheerio, lisaroo
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 18:29:58 -0400
In article <[email protected]>, you wrote:
And who will be in this show? The original line up, or has Mark
gathered up a few other musicians?
Bob
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let's make the rules up for a game that we haven't tried, |||===
let's beat the shit out of our minds ===|||
ruin...
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 19:46:03 -0500
>Could someone send me the URL for the FAQ? I seem to have misplaced it.
No problem.
-cz
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 19:06:13 -0500
On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, drew schwickerath wrote:
> what is the connection between 4ad and beggars banquet?
4AD was started by Beggars Banquet. Simple as that.
Martin
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 19:11:51 -0500
On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Matthew Polder wrote:
> Just bought the new Cocteau Twins. Payed $12.99!!! Is it just me or was
> perhaps this a little high. I called a couple stores and evidently this
> was the average price. Ouch. Even the import EPs were cheaper.
Yeah, that's pretty goddamn steep for a four-tracker, especially
domestic. I saw it today for $8.99.
>
> I must say though that the package was very nice. My first listening
> prompted a reaction along the lines of "what the ??..." and I was
> confused. Sure, the piano was nice and all but this is Cocteau Twins?
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 20:01:16 -0500
Brant wrote:
> I use a Hypercard stack I created myself to catalog the several
> hundred releases I own. It's pretty simple: fields for band name,
> song titles, catalog number, label, and comments; plus check boxes
> for the kind of release. It's not what I would call "slick" by any
> means, but it works for me and it was extremely easy to create.
> About the most complicated thing I ever try to do with it is
> search for all songs that include a certain word in the title.
Yeah, that's about the extent of my Excel database. I could whip up a real
slick interface in Director, but the databasing capabilities pretty much suck.
(even with fileflex)
One of the coolest feature of one of the databases I'm looking at is something
called "universal search". This feature allows you to enter a word; then the
database will go through every field of every record for every instance of
that word or phrase and return all those to you. (Fancy bit 'o FileMaker
scripting, that!)
The only problem is the above database doesn't have the "tape-maker" feature
of a similar program. I *really* like that, as I am always making tapes for
people with mixed CD tracks, and it would be nice if I knew ahead of time how
much I could fit without having to try and add up the track times one at a
time. The "tape-maker" feature lets you click the number next to the CD track
and it adds it to a second database which represents Side 1 or Side 2 of your
tape. You keep flipping through your CD database and whenever you see a song
you think you want to add, just click the track number and it adds it to your
cassette list.
I WANT IT ALL!!!!!! gimmie gimmie gimmie! (Actually what I'd like is a
database that works with the auto databasing feature of the Apple Remote CD
Player so that you can add tracks on the CD as you put it in, or open the
database directly and add info there.)
marvynHortman
PS Since this is a FileMaker database; it oughta work under Windows with only
slight modifications. (eg, no Applescript support.)