Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 22:28:56 -0700
> No offense *k-j*, as I know you didn't write this, but does anyone else
> find Time Stereo's descriptions borderline-useless?
after the weekend i've had, no one can offend me...
i think the descriptions are whimsical. i mean...well..i dunno.
i know what i'm getting with those descrips...not like it matters,
cuz i buy it all anyway...
i'm gonna be spirally soon,
...overdosing on anne sexton tonight...
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 20:53:38 -0700
thank you for your response. Let me respond by clarifying some of
my original points. First off, 'Alternative' *is* a pretty arbitrary term
and is quite catch-all. I get in the habit of calling anything I like
"Alternative", so for instance I like Nirvana and would call them that
even though they played THE defining role in creating the
grunge-pseudopunk playground that is now mainstream. Also, 'Alternative' is
NOT the only music I listen to. I am a huge jazz fan (50's to early 60's,
Miles Davis, Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane, etc.), and also of classical
(I dig Mozart, Chopin, y muchos otros). But that's all I listen to because
that's all I like. I find that the more I listen to music, the further I get
from the "mainstream", and this includes "mainstream alternative" (too bad
such a thing exists).
Also, I do not think that only 4ad artists and the like are
"Alternative", or even necessarily that everything 4ad puts out is
alternative, though I have yet to hear any 4ad product I wouldn't put in
that arena. Here are my favorite 20 bands (in order), all of which I
consider "Alternative": The Cure, The Smiths, Siouxsie & The Banshees, Echo &
The Bunnymen, Joy Division, Boingo, The Ocean Blue, Violent Femmes,
Throwing Muses, Pixies, Cocteau Twins, Sonic Youth, Slowdive, Dead Can
Dance, Red House Painters, Dinosaur Jr, Curve, Catherine Wheel, They
Might Be Giants, Lush. Pretty diverse, yet all 'Alternative' somehow.
I agree with you that the influences of artists one might call
'alternative' often hark far from what the fans of these artists would
Bottom line--the term 'Alternative' really does not mean anything in
the public arena. I use it just for lack of a better word. In any case,
it is best dispensed with.
One more point--I don't understand the comparison between The
Ocean Blue and Echo & The Bunnymen at all. And what *are* they doing now
that they "don't have a label" (first I've heard of it)?
= "Wake up, see \ If there's no God, why + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists? + dread the due changes =
= done is done..." \ -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..." =
= -Ride: "Today" / Ontological Proof + -Red House Painters =
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 22:47:03 -0700
music to sleep to. i have become an authority on the subject over
the weeks. this is what works for me...and j, i guess...if he was
here, i'm sure he'd add more onto my list...
lovesliescrushing -- bloweyelashwish
hnia -- king of sweet, home is in your head
cocteau twins -- the moon and the melodies, victorialand
spiritualized -- uhh..whatever the new one is...esp. good is the
glo-in-the-dark version..a trip to watch until
it fades...kinda like it's dozing off with ya...
slowdive -- pygmalion
mojave -- ask me tomorrow
pieter nooten -- sleeps with the fishes
mouse on mars -- vulvaland
pram -- sargasso sea
seefeel -- anything and everything they've recorded...
disco inferno -- d.i. go pop, in debt
flying saucer attack -- all of their stuff...
drop nineteens -- delaware
this mortal coil -- all 3 releases...
dead can dance -- dcd, spleen & ideal
+ just about any and all relatively unobnoxious ambient techno...
'my nerves are turned on. i hear them like
musical instruments. where there was silence
the drums, the strings are incurably playing. you did this.
pure genius at work. darling, the composer has stepped
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 01:34:03 +0600
> Last night I programmed a few songs from [Love Spirals Downwards']
>_Ardor_ >while going to bed...and a few things came to mind. Do you guys
>*good* this album is,
YES! I do.
>and how superior it is to _Idylls_? I listened to
>_Idylls_ a few days ago, and as always, too many of the songs just went
>by as samey and inconsequential. _Ardor_ seems a far more polished,
>better-produced work. It is just absolutely enchanting.
> I also realized how potentially accessible this album is. ...
Well, i like Idylls too but Ardor is much more polished and seamless. And
yes these are not difficult listening albums. I suppose that's why they
are selling so well (at least that's the impression that i got).
> (filling in for e as frequent-poster)
Yeah, where is he? I suppose he had better things to do than argue about
the existence of God but that's just doesn't seem like the e we all know
and love. :)
Roy Burns said:
>"Alternative" is not a category of music like Jazz or Country or Blues, etc.
>It really is a marketing term.
Well the term "Alternative" has never had such a distinctly defined sound
as it does now. It used to be that "alternative" music meant just that:
nothing. It meant that it wasn't easily fit into any other popular genre.
Now it carries some kind of a grunge/guitar band association. The
post-Nirvana definition of "alternative" is what has become a marketing
they want to push in there but it also carries some sort of an underground
feel so that you can buy a top 40 album without feeling that you've lost
your edge (as if music sales had any direct correlation to anything
> ...overdosing on anne sexton tonight...
I just happened to change my .sig to AS tonight.
The summer sun ray shifts through a suspicious tree. *though I walk thrugh
the valley of the shadow* It sucks the air and looks around for me. The
grass speaks. I hear green chanting all day. *I will fear no evil, fear
no evil* The blades extend and reach my way. The sky breaks. It sags and
breathes uppon my face. *in the presence of mine enemies, mine enemies*
The world is full of enemies. There is no safe place. -Anne Sexton
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 02:54:53 -0500
On Sun, 24 Sep 1995, Roy Burns wrote:
> is marketed as "alternative". But if Red House Painters had platinum sales
> figure, they'd be filed right next to Pearl Jam and the like.
Well, only if they changed their name to Ped House Painters...
Jeffrey Norman "I'm going to lock my son up in a tower
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee till he learns to let his hair down
Dept. of English & Comp. Lit. far enough to climb outside"
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 02:50:57 -0500
On Sun, 24 Sep 1995, Micah Newman wrote:
> > I mean Red House Painters are hardly alternative, they are more folk if
> > anything. But they really wouldn't sell if they were thrown into that
> > bin. I mean "Ocean Beach" is one of the best releases this year, but it
> > wouldn't push any units sitting next to Judy Collins.
> At the outset, I would like to define the way I use "alternative",
> that is, to mean ACTUALLY alternative. I use it to describe any 4ad band,
> including RHP, Projekt bands, other thislisty-type artists, but NOT, you
> know, Pearl Jam, Live, Bush, ad nauseum.
> So in the 'real' sense, Red House Painters are definitely
> alternative, you seem to say so yourself by acknowledging the fact that
> they wouldn't sell if they were in the folk bin. To me, RHP are only
> 'folk' insofar as the instrumentation goes. Their music is leaps and
> bounds beyond popular 'folk', and they definitely have a sound of their
> own which I would not characterize as 'folk'.
And your average "folk" fan would run screaming from the room when those
lacerating guitar noises at the end of (bad with song titles--at leats
one on _Rollercoaster_ and one, too, on _Ocean Beach_) those songs kick
Jeffrey Norman "In two thousand years, they'll
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee still be looking for Elvis.
Dept. of English & Comp. Lit. This is nothing new,"
In my CD changer: Bark Psychosis _Hex_
Swervedriver _Ejector Seat Reservation_
Plasticland _Dapper Snappings_
Helium _The Dirt of Luck_
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 03:48:50 -0400
Sorry if this has been answered before,
but someone mentioned that Love Spirals Downwards
played a Slowdive tune in L.A.
When I saw them here in New York City
Sept 2. at the Bat Cave (a stupid name for
an actually pretty nice place)
the played "Visions of La".
yeah it was weird that they didn't say
anything about it...
maybe a few of you read my review on
dreampop-l or mbv lists, but they were
very good. Suzanne Perry's voice was even
more astounding given the minimal acoustic guitar-only
backing. Although the guitar-only approach is
much easier for obvious reasons (Suzanne remarked
during their set that it's a "pain in the ass
to try to sing to a DAT"), I found myself
missing some of the drumtracks that provide
some of the dramatic highs of LSD's music.
I also helped Scott Cortez and Andrew Prinz
of lovesliescrushing load in their stuff, as well
as had a chance to just hang out with Scott and Andrew
before the show to chat about music and other things.
this little chat will hopefully become an interview
for my web zine Dreampop soon...I'll post
to relevant mailing lists to let you all know when
it's up. Andrew has a background in music theory
and has some really cool ideas about music...
lovesliescrushing were absolutely great.
I closed my eyes and just let their wonderous
sounds envelop me. I just wish it was just
a notch louder.
it's a shame they don't get out and about more
often but touring for small bands is a pain in the ass
(they got lost in philadelphia and wound up in a lovely
ghetto on their way to NYC. then the promoter in NYC
set them up to stay at a vampire's place in Brooklyn, and no
it wasn't Eddie Murphy's pad! they ended up sleeping in
still, LLC's next LP is something I am really looking forward to.
as for sleeping music:
Love Spirals Downwards: Idylls
Cocteau Twins: Victorialand
I also recently picked up the domestic release of the
Joy Division: Permanent collection. I'm a late comer
to JD so this is a nice addition, and I recommend it to
anyone else who doesn't own any JD.
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:18:21 -0700
to die, to sleep...
> to sleep...perchance to dream...
> li'l cricket k and john (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
> Sun, 24 Sep 1995 22:47:03 -0700
> music to sleep to.
> spiritualized -- uhh..whatever the new one is...esp. good is the
> glo-in-the-dark version..a trip to watch until
> it fades...kinda like it's dozing off with ya...
i've had to hide mine under a pile of other cds. everytime i turned off
the light and it started shining it took me by surprise, every time. are
these things radioactive by the way? i guess they can't be otherwise
they'd never be allowed to release them. the last tour saw luminous
t-shirts and i always wondered what the doctors would say when all these
people started turning up with skin cancer which read 'pure phase'.
> pram -- sargasso sea
now this surprises me. i'd've thought this was the musical equivalent of
a cheese sandwich before bedtime...
> seefeel -- anything and everything they've recorded...
um, the above applies to succour too.
> flying saucer attack -- all of their stuff...
um, flying saucer attack, don't talk to me about flying saucer attack...
the problem i have with this is that my stereo is too loud even at its
quietest setting (you know how everything seems louder at night anyway)
and the cd interchanger clunking could wake the dead.
sorry, i've just realised that this adds nothing to the thread at all.
it's monday morning, what do you want?
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 04:56:31 -0500
If someone didn't send you the lyrics, I'll be more than happy to, I
was going to but I lost your email address. Hate to see you get stiffed.
Just send me a private reply. Sorry if this is spam to others.
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 11:13:56 +0100
Vanderwaal" at Sep 22, 95 09:53:31 am
"Kent J. Vanderwaal"
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 05:27:20 -0500
Recently I've just been listening to my RHP cd's before I go to sleep.
Also, Tanya Donelly's ultra-elfy french accent on "Judas Mon Coeur" calms my
belly and puts me into dreamland with ease. However, if hardcore insomnia
were to set, right now I would seek:
5. Slowdive "Shine" _Holding Our Breath_
Always been my favourite of theirs.
4. Various _Invisible Soundtracks Volume I_ Leaf
Includes among others Mark Clifford of Seefeel and Neil Halstead of
Slowdive both under psuedonyms, both of them evolving for the better
in their dealings
with electronic music, imo.
3. Aphex Twin 'Disc 1, Track 3' _Selected Ambient Works Vol. II_
This track will always remain a classic in my heart.
2. Sun Electric "Entrance" (Hohner Afternooning) _aaah!_
So beautiful... it's heavenly..
and perhaps the all time best:
1. The Black Dog "The Crete that Crete Made" _Temple of Transparent Balls_
I feel like I'm drifiting on the Mediteranean on a sailboat under a
deep night sky full of stars as a gentle summer breeze lulls me to
These tracks will insure fantastic dreaming.
have a lovely nap,
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 07:34:44 -0300
On Mon, 25 Sep 1995, Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Sep 1995, Micah Newman wrote:
> > > I mean Red House Painters are hardly alternative, they are more folk if
> > > anything. But they really wouldn't sell if they were thrown into that
> > > bin. I mean "Ocean Beach" is one of the best releases this year, but it
> > > wouldn't push any units sitting next to Judy Collins.
> > At the outset, I would like to define the way I use "alternative",
> > that is, to mean ACTUALLY alternative. I use it to describe any 4ad band,
> > including RHP, Projekt bands, other thislisty-type artists, but NOT, you
> > know, Pearl Jam, Live, Bush, ad nauseum.
> > So in the 'real' sense, Red House Painters are definitely
> > alternative, you seem to say so yourself by acknowledging the fact that
> > they wouldn't sell if they were in the folk bin. To me, RHP are only
> > 'folk' insofar as the instrumentation goes. Their music is leaps and
> > bounds beyond popular 'folk', and they definitely have a sound of their
> > own which I would not characterize as 'folk'.
What is alternative? Is there really a non-commercial label? So
listen to Drag City or Thrill Jockey (Bands such as Gastr del Sol,
Brise-Glace, Smog or the new Red Krayola). They are great, but even
commercial bands can be great, although never 'alternative'.
Antonio - Brazil
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 08:32:09 -0500
Aren't you folks just happy to have me around to post these things each week?
Air Miami me.me.me.
$8 23-Sep-1995 email@example.com
Aphex Twin CD . . . I Care Because You Do
$8 24-Sep-1995 firstname.lastname@example.org
eno/sinfield in a land of clear colors
$10.99ppd 24-Sep-1995 email@example.com
Medicine CD Sounds of Medicine
$5 20-Sep-1995 firstname.lastname@example.org
This Mortal Coil This Mortal Coil
$9.00 23-Sep-1995 email@example.com
Remember, I am not selling these CDs...I'm just your "thislisty" agent
gathering goodies from the CD listserv...and bringing it into your home like
direct-mail. :~P Email the addresses under the CDs.
marvynHortman (the other Colourbox fan on this listserv...)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 08:44:10 -0700
"Micah Newman" at Sep 24, 95 08:53:38 pm
> and is quite catch-all. I get in the habit of calling anything I like
> "Alternative", so for instance I like Nirvana and would call them that
> even though they played THE defining role in creating the
> grunge-pseudopunk playground that is now mainstream. Also, 'Alternative' is
> NOT the only music I listen to. I am a huge jazz fan (50's to early 60's,
> Miles Davis, Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane, etc.), and also of classical
-^ Miles Davis more people need to get into him. anyhow, as for
Nirvanna playing the defining role in psuedo-grunge...blah blah... Ever heard
of Greg Sage and his band the Wipers. and what about Mother Lovebone (or
something along that line) They were doing the Paciffic NW long before a
young cat named cobain. What about the Swell Maps. The style was already
defined, probably even earlier than you remember, but the books that people
cite, never mention the true masters and how things came to be. Research
Dick Dale or the Del-Tones sometime, you'll find that they got things going
with his definative surfin sound in the 60's. Talk to Dick Dale, and he will
play music on the same amps he used in 57 or 58, and tell you storys of being
kicked out of clubs and venues in the early 50's for playing devil music.
If you are lucky, go see this peice of history as he is currently on tour,
and blowing minds, ears, and souls, with his sound. He played Tucson, on the\
21st, and has a 20 city tour. no idea where it goes though. (For those of you
who don't know Dick Dale he does the Surf Guitar music, recorded in the 50's,
that was used in Pulp Fiction)
hopeing not to start a flame, nirvanna never defined grunge... they simpley
fit the corporate bill.
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 09:52:43 -0400
On Sun, 24 Sep 1995 ariane181@DALLAS.EMAIL.NET wrote:
> actually, ivy's song "beautiful" is also being used for a volkswagon
> commercial, and the luna song "california, all the way" is being used for the
> calvin klein ck1 commercials. supposively, there is a cocteau twins fruitopia
> commercial, though i have never seen it!
also, the lily's "ginger" was used in a ck1 commercial as well!
passengers will refrain from killing my soul!
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 22:52:55 +0900
The address of LUMINOUS ORANGE on Dewdrops #14 is a little wrong.
I once tried to get their demo tape, but the mail was returned.
Today I had a chance to talk with one of them.
Their correct address is :
c/o R. Takeuchi
He said that their "official" demo tape is out of print.
The tape Dewdrops got was a compilation of their staffs.
BTW, I recommend ICY SPICY COOLMINT.
Their sound is a bit LUSHy, MBVy & J&MCy.
They have homepage:
I will send you their demo tape > Brant Dewdrops
If you like photos, try "Transvision Criteria"
The photographer recently joined this list.
If you like aquarium, try "Enoshima Aquarium" :)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 07:52:08 -0700
>Steve Hill asked
>>What songs have others declared brilliant upon first listening?
>Underground Lovers - "Splendid She Said" (off last EP)
i thought "recognize" was pretty great the first time i heard that.
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 11:29:19 -0400
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 11:26:28 -0400
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 11:22:05 -0400
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 08:18:58 -0700
I remembered one more thing that might be of interest to the list:
At the Berkeley show after the first few songs, Mark announced that
a new record had been recorded, and that it would not be on 4AD. The
new songs that were on the set list that I posted will appear on the
album. He didn't mention anything about a new label or a release date.
This seemed to come as a surprise to much of the audience who apparently
hadn't heard the news yet.
Later in the show, just before the new song "Make Like Paper", Mark said,
"This song is the reason we're not on 4AD anymore." Which brings to the
imagination all sorts of interesting scenarios. Clearly there was more
to it than RHP's desire to no longer be a "4AD-band" as suggested by
that 4AD employee on rec.music.4ad.
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 09:56:25 -0600
I just got back from the lovesliescrushing homepage. Very nice. But I
have a question. It stated that the new album "xuvetyn" is coming out in
October 1995. Is that still on, or did it get pushed back (like
everything else does)?
We are all infected because we are all affected.........
Will Coucheron-Aamot a.k.a. firstname.lastname@example.org
MBV, medicine, seefeel, flying saucer attack, slowdive, lovesliescrushing
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 11:29:53 -0400
the way i see it, Brian, is that every group has a chance for fortune and
fame. the real test, however, is if they decide to go mainstream or
not...those who stay loyal to their hardcore fans are the ones that really
care. But every group does share some sort of a taste of fame. Some just go
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 11:18:05 -0400
you know, siamese twins allways trances one well and the figurehead is one of
the most powerful songs of the decade. it also stands for something that we
cannot grasp until we reach a certain metamorphosis. too much thinking at
night can cause one insomnia. the song "descent" is a unhappy withthe one im
with sex song. it's deep.
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 11:53:51 -0400
at Sep 24, 95 11:23:56 pm
> This got me to thinking, perhaps someone could compile a little list of
> some of the 4AD releases that people are desperate for. I would
> certainly be willing to print out my copy of this little list and do a
> quick look at the local record store as a favor to some of my fellow
> 4ADers. actually sounds kinda fun. wouldn't it be neat to find that a
> copy of something like the Dirt Eaters EP was in the neighborhood bargin
> bin, like where I found mine (no, you can't have it).
here's what I still need - if anyone can help me find these I
will pay you for your help (within reason)
axis 1: Fast Set: Junction One 7"
axis 3: Bauhaus- Dark Entries/ untitled 7" (NOT AD3 or BEG13-
I need the AXIS 3 version)
axis 4: Shox- No Turning Back 7"
BAD 16: Gilbert/ Lewis- 3r4 12" $20
AD 102: Past Seven Days- Raindance 7"
BAD 107: Mass- Labour of Love LP $35
BAD 115: Dance Chapter- Chapter II 12"
BAD 117: V/A -Natures Mortes LP
BAD 203: Daniel Ash- Tones on Tail 12"
AD 215: Colourbox- Breakdown V.1 7"
BAD 506: Wolfgang- Sweatbox 12"
items that have prices listed are prices that I am expecting to buy
plus or minus $5. others are more negotiable.
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability
of the human mind to correlate all its contents." HPL
304 14th ST NW Apt 6
Charlottesville VA 22903
"You don't have to call it music, if the term disturbs you." JC
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 11:06:38 -0700
Does anyone know when and where the Red House Painter's show is in LA?
I'd love to go. Please email me personally.
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 15:50:27 -0400
>Also I almost never play "Back Door" on Medusa. "After The Call"
>is a much better way to end the album.
Yes it is.
I never realized how wonderful "After the Call" was though, until I listened
(actually *listened* ) to it on the P. Nooten & M. Brook collaboration, which
is IMO one of 4AD's finest releases.
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 14:46:19 -0700
>>Angelo Badalamenti - music from twin peaks
>this is great, though i don't listen to it as i sleep. for me it's a
>more "driving around on a sun. afternoon in october" tape.
talk about nightmares, WHERE's BOB, argh =:o
how about OCtober Project...still thinking
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 14:13:00 -0700
>On Sun, 24 Sep 1995 ariane181@DALLAS.EMAIL.NET wrote:
>> actually, ivy's song "beautiful" is also being used for a volkswagon
>> commercial, and the luna song "california, all the way" is being
used for the
>> calvin klein ck1 commercials. supposively, there is a cocteau twins
>> commercial, though i have never seen it!
>also, the lily's "ginger" was used in a ck1 commercial as well!
there was that lush "sweetness and light" VW comercial. and wasn't
"suger ray" by JAMC in a beer comercial or something a few years back?!
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:50:54 -0600
Well, I like Eden quite a bit. The new CD (Fire and Rain) is a bit
different from their previous works, but still pretty good. There is
even a song on there called "Stretched On Your Grave" that, you guessed
it, is the poem that Brendan Perry used in his song. I think it is more
complete on Eden's rendition.
If you are checking into Eden, I would look at Gateway to the Mysteries
and Healingbow first. I think they were the best (Gateway to the
Mysteries is the better of the two, and the longer!)
On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, Aaron Thorne wrote:
> > Anyone heard any more bands on the 4AD label that sounds like Dead Can Dance
> > This Mortal Coil / Cocteau Twins except from His Name Is Alive ?
> Eden's first cd sounds a bit like dcd. they're now on projekt. whenever
> i hear the dcd line (can't remember which song right now)that says "I have a
> son, his name is eden" i wonder if maybe that's where eden got it's
> name. Anyone else like to comment on this group? I think they're pretty
> good but kind of boring.
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 18:40:58 -0400
Could you send me the lyrics, too? Thanks much! Jay
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:39:45 -0400
In a message dated 95-09-23 Holly A. Hopey writes:
>Michael Brook's Cobal Blue always puts me to sleep. In fact, I've
>rarely heard the end of the album because I've drifted off by then.
Live @ the aquarium works charms as well. Just ask my daughter elysia. For
about the first year and a half, that disc was her bed-time music. She could
be screaming in a full rage, but from the opening notes, her body would go
limp & 9 times out of 10 she'd be out by the end of the first song! It was
really kinda spooky how well it worked.
I mentioned to Michael at AVAM what effect his music had on her. I think he
was touched by it. I guess it's not something you hear everday. "Hey man,
your music puts my kid to sleep!"
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 15:35:40 -0700
> Does anyone know when and where the Red House Painter's show is in LA?
Thursday 28 Sep
Pico Blvd, Santa Monica
just west of I-10, near McCabe's Guitar Shop
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:56:02 -0800
Okay, this seems like a fun one to do. I'm going to rattle some songs off
in no particular order except for maybe the 1'st one that I thought were
brilliant at first listen. Also, sorry if not all of them are "thislisty",
but what can I say, I like them (so don't sue/flame me; I'm just a mere
Cocteau Twins 'Love's Easy Tears', the whole ep!!!
Slowdive 'Souvlaki Space Station', the whole 'Souvlaki' is great too!
Slowdive '5 ep'
Harold Budd and Brian Eno 'The Pearl', the whole thing
Seefeel 'Quique' the first 2 songs, plus 'Moodswing' from 'Pure, Impure'
Steve Roach 'Origins', the whole thing, especially the 1'st song.
Dead Can Dance 'Host of the Seraphim'
Cocteau Twins 'Victorialand'
Jefferson Airplane 'Surrealistic Pillow'
Grateful Dead 'Dark Star'
Cocteau Twins 'Pink, Orange, Red'
Primal Scream 'Screamadelica'
FSOL 'Lifeforms' ep, paths 4 & 5
Cocteaus 'Frou-frou foxes in midsummer fires'
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 15:40:52 -0800
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 22:40:51 -0500 (CDT)
Here's what a Capitol pre-release casette says...
"TWINLIGHTS feature acoustic guitar, piano, and vocals and
showcases 4 songs. TWINLIGHTS will also be supported by a short-
form video featuring the songs 'RILIKEAN HEART' and 'HALF GIFTS.'
"TWINLIGHTS will be followed in November buy another EP titled,
OTHERNESS, which contains 2 new songs and 2 previously released
tracks, remixed by COCTEAU TWINS and Mark Clifford of SEEFEEL. A
full length lp is due early '96."
"COCTEAU TWINS web-site will be accessible via the new Capitol
Records WWW, 'hollywoodandvine.com' in October."
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 18:15:16 -0400
> So "God" becomes your name for this unlikelihood, whereas scientists
> might christen it "The Big Bang," etc. Defining "God" in such an abstract
> way stretches the meaning so far we might as well call it "love,"
> "spirit," "the strong electromagnetic force," or "The Force."
The Big Bang is The Force. It is apparently the way God's affro is picked
in the pasture. Historicaly, Luke and Darth Vader were known to be found
humming Mortal Coil tunes (not each other) in the basement of the
> Granting for the moment taht "God" created the universe--does that compel
> us in any way to acknowledge that force? (Remember, all I'm granting is
> that "God is a retired engineer": God set things up, and that's it) I
> don't see why.
God had nothing to do with the CK ads. Mr. Universe is a quad speed
CD rom that makes us all very uncomfortable. Christ's resurrection
is not in color. This makes all of the Smurfs uncomfortable.
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:44:40 -0400
can someone tell me if and when rhp will be playing in nyc?
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 15:16:06 -0700
> Later in the show, just before the new song "Make Like Paper", Mark said,
> "This song is the reason we're not on 4AD anymore." Which brings to the
> imagination all sorts of interesting scenarios. Clearly there was more
> to it than RHP's desire to no longer be a "4AD-band" as suggested by
> that 4AD employee on rec.music.4ad.
What was this song like? Maybe that would shed some light on what
he meant, especially for those of us who were not at the show (stranded
in Santa Barbara without a car! Damn! :( well, there're worse places to be
stranded ;) )
= "Wake up, see \ If there's no God, why + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists? + dread the due changes =
= done is done..." \ -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..." =
= -Ride: "Today" / Ontological Proof + -Red House Painters =
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:54:55 -0400
In which formats did 4AD UK release Lisa Gerrard's "The Mirror Pool?" I
know there's the CD, and I assume a cassette, but I've been told that there
is no vinyl version. True? Thanks in advance.
Jeffrey T. Gayton
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:24:59 -0700
Wade Rencsok argues about the origins of 'grunge'...
I think the "Seattle sound" that people call "grunge" pretty much dates
back to bands like Green River and Soundgarden in the mid-80s, and the
formation of the Sub Pop label. Sure, we can trace those bands'
influences back to earlier gods like the Stooges and Black Sabbath, but
one must draw the line somewhere.
Myself, I thought Nirvana were a fine band. It's not their fault they
became the commercial breakthrough and defined 'grunge' for the masses.
They were just in the right place at the right time with some very
powerful but catchy songs.
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:29:15 -0700
I never mentioned this last week, cuz I didn't talk to him, so it wasn't
so wonderful, but I got to be within the same enclosed space as Ivo W-R
last week at the office...big whoop, right?
Today was a little bit cooler...I got to meet, shake hands with, talk
with, all that fun stuff, Chris Bigg. This guy is soooo nice and sooo
cool and pretty funny too. It was a real pleasure.
Also heard the new Lisa Germano album too. Don't know what it's called
or the titles of the songs, but two songs that stick out in my mind are
one which I assume is called "What is Victoria's Secret?" and another
about Christmas. Oh, and one about being a loser or something and how
everybody's so "fucking happy" and she's not. It sounds pretty cool.
Nothing ground-breaking or straying from the formula on the last two
albums, but good nonetheless.
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 00:11:02 +0200
I've just seen Lisa Gerrard appearing live... in Carre, Amsterdam a couple
of hours ago.
She played with a six piece band (Pieter Bourke, Robert Perry, John Bonner,
Ronan O Snodaigh, Jacek Tuschewski and Mark Ellis). She performed a
selection of 'Mirror Pool' songs, some unknown instrumental 'inbetweens'
(Robert Perry) and five, beautifull 'whole band', new pieces. The last part
of the concert, where she played most of the new material, was the best
part of the evening.
A very good concert but I missed Brendan Perry...
As a 'support act' Mark Ellis (from Elijah's Mantle) performed text and
poetry from, what I thought, Shakespeare with some background sounds from
Lisa and the rest of the band. At all of the concerts he will be reciting
text and poetry form T.S. Eliot, Mallarme, Baudelaire, Rimbaud and of
Chris Bigg designed a beautifull programme booklet (and poster) with
information about Lisa, all the band members and the Dead Can Dance
discography. The booklet is designed in the same style as the Mirror Pool
album but only better printed (gold).
As always, Lisa was wearing her long white dress.
Some of you have to wait a few days and some a few weeks before you can see
het live but it's worth waiting for!
- rotterdam, the netherlands
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 02:22:05 +0100
nOISEgIRLY k-j and jOHN
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 02:08:54 +0200
>In which formats did 4AD UK release Lisa Gerrard's "The Mirror Pool?" I
>know there's the CD, and I assume a cassette, but I've been told that there
>is no vinyl version. True? Thanks in advance.
There's a cd (CAD 5009 CD) and a cassette (CAD C 5009) and NO vinyl version.
In the Mirror Pool tour book there are two small 'sleeves' printed on the
Same artwork as the album cover.
The first one: LISA GERRARD: SANVEAN / i am your shadow
The second one: LISA GERRARD: Deux Titres "Live" (1994)
Are these REAL cd's??? Or just a joke from v23?
The man who made the Mirror Pool front cover image is also a member of
Lisa's band b.t.w.
- rotterdam, the netherlands