Subject: Autechre::Tri Repetae
Subject: influential songs
Subject: Re: Old CT Videos (Again)
Subject: Re: sleep/first time
Subject: "alternative" is dead/Lush list
Subject: "alternative" is dead/Lush list
Subject: Re: "alternative" is dead/Lush list
Subject: Re: RHP "Three Hour Tour" Set list/tunings
Subject: Re: "alternative" is dead/Lush list
Subject: Re: RHP "Three Hour Tour" Set list/tunings
Subject: Re: "alternative" is dead
Subject: Love Spirals Downwards' _Ardor_
Subject: Long response (not an attack) to Micah: "alternative" is dead
Subject: Brilliant songs at first listen
Subject: Re: Brilliant songs at first listen
Subject: lots of stuff
Subject: Re: your time tapes esp sound + noise = loops
Subject: Re: Out of Print 4AD
Subject: Re: more music to sleep to
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 22:51:04 -0700
Sorry if someone has already done this...but if so then shame on you.=20
Autechre fwds are my turf. :)
e
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 01:15:42 -0700 (PDT)
yay yay yay...
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 07:56:30 +0300 (EET DST)
=20
autechre. tri repetae. 6 november 1995.
warp records ltd. warplp/cd/mc38(p).
1 dael
2 clipper
3 leterel
4 rotar=20
5 stud
6 eutow
7 c.pach
8 gnit
9 overand
10 rsdio
I thought that I would never be as enthusiastic about anything else than
getting a full collection of Richard James' recordings, though it is outrig=
ht
impossible. Personally I have rated Autechre always second after the Aphex
Twin on my personal favourites list, but since the release of "Anti", they
have been on top. "Tri Repetae" compared to "...I Care Because You Do"? No
contest. Richard James has stated that he dislikes the overuse of common
drum machines, yet he habitually uses them. Autechre have gotten themselves
of the hook, and created sounds that are distinguishable and vivid, yet nev=
er
the same; there is always a small tweak there, a hiss, a scratch. Admitted,
Sean Booth and Rob Brown tend to go toward minimalism, but with so much inn=
er
complexity! The layering of simple sounds, uncomparable to others I have ev=
er
heard, with rhythm elements of chaotic and unknown origin creates an aural
landscape of unspeakable beauty. "Tri Repetae" is an album worth more than
most of us will pay for it. I was hoping to write a track-by-track dissecti=
on,
but I do not wish to spoil the mood of this record by tearing the structure=
to
bits. I just want to say that if I play anything else than "Tri Repetae" fo=
r
two weeks, I must be sleepwalking or gone completely bonkers.
As Jon Burrell said in the results of his 1994 IDM poll, "Autechre to go =
to
new heights". He was right.
--=20
Nuutti 'Gordon' Meril=E4inen
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 23:41:57 -0700
These are some of the songs that had the biggest
influence on my life (changing the thread a little):
cocteau twins - love's easy tears
cocteau twins - ivo
matt johnson - icing up
the icicle works - hollow horse
ultravox - sleepwalk
my bloody valentine - to here knows when
felt - primitive painters
dif juz - twin and earth
virginia astley - some small hope
dead can dance - host of seraphim
thomas dolby - europa and the pirate twins
shelleyan orphan - shatter
kate bush - wuthering heights
combine all of these songs and you get.....
somthing pretty close to me
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 09:48:01 -0400
>>Does anyone out there have a copy (good preferably) of the CT videos for
Evangeline or Cico Bluff, I have compiled a tape with all except these.
I have never seen them and they don't seem to be in the MTV archives, but
the FAQ claims that they exist and being the 4AD completist that I am I
would like to get all of them on tape. I would be willing to send anyone
who has both or either of these, a tape with all of the videos once I
complete it.<<
MTV Archives? Uh....well, I know MTV played "Evangeline" several times on
120 Minutes when Four-Calendar Cafe was originally released. As for "Cico
Buff", I have a copy of that video, as well. I think it came off VH1. It
seems that VH1 played the Blue Bell Knoll vids (the other being "Carolyn's
Fingers") more than did MTV. "Cico Buff" is mostly just black and white,
and you only see vague shadows of the band against a stark white background
most of the time if even that. You just see Liz in profile from the shoulders
up (again, just a dark shadow on a white background). Very minimalist and
elegant, much like the song itself.
Anyway...I got my copy from someone else who had them all and made a
compilation that I bought. Bootleg sort of a thing, you know.
Mike
[email protected]
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 10:13:28 -0700
>Angelo Badalamenti - music from twin peaks
this is great, though i don't listen to it as i sleep. for me it's a
more "driving around on a sun. afternoon in october" tape.
-robert.
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 13:13:07 -0700
Yep another Alternative is dead post.
The Sundays "Wild Horses" made into a beer commercial
Lush's "Sweetness and Light" for Volkswagon
Yesterday I saw Luna on Vh-1
Life sucks!
By the way.....someone said there wasn't much intellegent conversation
on the Lush list, than had the audacity to fwd. the post. Granted it
wasn't too bright but it isn't/wasn't a typical post. Not that it
matters because the list isn't to be taken seriously! Lighten up!
Speaking of intelligence It's kinda scarce here too.( I know this post
doesn't help any!) Anyway I just had to get that off my chest.
Brian
P.S. What is the deal with the new Lush Ep/Lp?
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 15:38:50 CDT
<[email protected]>
actually, ivy's song "beautiful" is also being used for a volkswagon
commercial, and the luna song "california, all the way" is being used for the
calvin klein ck1 commercials. supposively, there is a cocteau twins fruitopia
commercial, though i have never seen it!
okay, just though i'd toss that in!
j.ariane
[email protected]
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 13:37:22 -0700
On Sun, 24 Sep 1995, Scott, Mari & Brian wrote:
> Speaking of intelligence It's kinda scarce here too.( I know this post
> doesn't help any!) Anyway I just had to get that off my chest.
oh yeah...a xian vs. atheist discussion is SO unintelligent, as
opposed to...say...a "this music sucks/this music rules" thread...
ok. so the religious thread wasn't music oriented...at least it was
something, both sides being held up quite effectively by seemingly
intelligent list members...
all i'm saying is, there's more intelligence on here than the majority
of lists i've ran across over the couple of years i've been Internetty...
gorging my heart on moss,
*k*
...strange days..ralph fiennes..need i say anything more?...
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 13:38:45 -0700
> Wow! I had no idea RHP used so many different tunings! Not a
> single song in standard tuning...I guess that explains a lot of things,
> like when I've tried to sit down and learn a song and couldn't find the
> chords. Do Mark Kozelek and Gordon Mack use the same tunings at the same
> time, then?
> And how did you figure out what tunings they were using??
> chords. Do Mark Kozelek and Gordon Mack use the same tunings at the same
> time, then?
> And how did you figure out what tunings they were using??
Well, Gorden is the guy who left the band, right? They introduced their new
guitar player, Phil, who seems like a pretty nice guy. He apparently was
added recently -- he doesn't know all the songs yet and had to sit out for
a few.
Anyway, no, nobody else re-tuned to match Mark, interestingly enough.
Phil switched to a different guitar for one song, but I didn't see him
re-tune other than that.
Actually, "Take Me Out" is in standard tuning. The chords are available
at mirrors.aol.com. I think "New Jersey" is in standard also.
The tunings were listed on the set list that I acquired. They were written
down so that the guitar technician could tune the guitars while they weren't
being played. They always have the same guitar tech guy with them every
time Mark or RHP plays. I forget his name -- Mark introduced him at his
solo San Francisco show a few months back.
Paul
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 17:06:44 -0400
This is not a pointed remark, just an observation. "Alternative" is a
marketing term. It was dead the day it was coined.
Any record stores that separate "deemed alternative" artists from the rest of
the pack doing so for that majority of the record buying public who'd like to
run in, get their Offspring record and get out without the hassles of
actually discovering "not deemed alternative" music.
I mean Red House Painters are hardly alternative, they are more folk if
anything. But they really wouldn't sell if they were thrown into that bin. I
mean "Ocean Beach" is one of the best releases this year, but it wouldn't
push any units sitting next to Judy Collins. Don't fall for it kids. Some of
the most priceless/innovative music in the world (Nick Drake, Big Star, Tim
Buckley and the Beatles) never had that "alternative" tag, and despite the
fact that most of my examples were recorded roughly two-three decades ago,
it's more innovative and "alternative" than about 75% of the crap that's
getting labeled thusly just so that it will sell to the laziest of our
demographic. Just a thought.
The Lush list is, I hate to say it, pure crap!!! Mostly "what color do you
think Miki will die her hair " and the like. It's not really a matter of
intelligence (I mean that whole theological debate on this list was, although
totally inappropriate, highly intelligent), but of substance. It's a full
list of people who can't think of anything to talk about.
Gracias,
[email protected]
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 15:17:54 -0700
I thought it was just Jerry Vessel (bassist) who left. So what's
the lineup now? Mark, new guitarist, who else?
= "Wake up, see \ If there's no God, why + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists? + dread the due changes =
= done is done..." \ -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..." =
= -Ride: "Today" / Ontological Proof + -Red House Painters =
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 15:30:49 -0700
> I mean Red House Painters are hardly alternative, they are more folk if
> anything. But they really wouldn't sell if they were thrown into that
> bin. I mean "Ocean Beach" is one of the best releases this year, but it
> wouldn't push any units sitting next to Judy Collins.
At the outset, I would like to define the way I use "alternative",
that is, to mean ACTUALLY alternative. I use it to describe any 4ad band,
including RHP, Projekt bands, other thislisty-type artists, but NOT, you
know, Pearl Jam, Live, Bush, ad nauseum.
So in the 'real' sense, Red House Painters are definitely
alternative, you seem to say so yourself by acknowledging the fact that
they wouldn't sell if they were in the folk bin. To me, RHP are only
'folk' insofar as the instrumentation goes. Their music is leaps and
bounds beyond popular 'folk', and they definitely have a sound of their
own which I would not characterize as 'folk'.
_Ocean Beach_ is not only my favorite RHP release, but my
favorite 4ad album I've yet heard, and my favorite album to come out
since The Ocean Blue's "Cerulean" in October 1991. Anyone agree?
Micah
(where's e???)
= "Wake up, see \ If there's no God, why + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists? + dread the due changes =
= done is done..." \ -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..." =
= -Ride: "Today" / Ontological Proof + -Red House Painters =
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 15:48:39 -0700
Last night I programmed a few songs from _Ardor_ while going to
bed (not really a part of the current "fall asleep to music" thread
because I can't actually fall asleep *while* listening to music, because a)
I'm a chronic insomniac and b) my mind is way too active while
music-listening), and a few things came to mind. Do you guys realize how
*good* this album is, and how superior it is to _Idylls_? I listened to
_Idylls_ a few days ago, and as always, too many of the songs just went
by as samey and inconsequential. _Ardor_ seems a far more polished,
better-produced work. It is just absolutely enchanting.
I also realized how potentially accessible this album is. I can
really imagine people who don't listen to 'Alternative' (either
definition) being really enraptured by it (as long as they're not heavy
metal fans or something), which is usually not the case in trying to
'convert' the uninitiated to the real music we all know and love. Don't
you think so?
Micah
(filling in for e as frequent-poster)
= "Wake up, see \ If there's no God, why + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists? + dread the due changes =
= done is done..." \ -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..." =
= -Ride: "Today" / Ontological Proof + -Red House Painters =
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 20:40:45 -0400
I LOVE the Red House Painters (and "Ocean Beach", but "Down Colorfull Hill"
is better). To me, they are one of very few bands that exist today that I
would say really touch people. They are more than simply a "band". They
aren't a way of life or anything, and I'm not obssessed with them, but they
are truly special to me. I wasn't by any stretch using folk as a derogatory
term, because, to me at least, it isn't.
"Alternative" is not a category of music like Jazz or Country or Blues, etc.
It really is a marketing term. I'm not the most open-minded person in the
world, but to me, someone who says that they only listen to "alternative"
music is about as close-minded musically as someone who only listens to top
40.
I'm sure that if you asked the Breeders, Tarnation, or say even the Red Hot
Chili Peppers (who annoy the hell out of me) what kind of music they played,
they wouldn't say "alternative". They'd either probably start rattling off
all kinds of musical styles and influences or just say "rock-and-roll" and
leave it at that.
True, Red House Painters aren't Peter, Paul, and Mary and Dead Can Dance
aren't world music. But both owe a lot to those respective genres of music.
If you listen to Nick Drake (who himself really stretches folk music), you
will definitely hear the Red House Painters. Whether or not they were
directly influenced by them, I don't know. But it's for damn sure they
weren't weened on a steady diet of the Essence.
In fact, if you ever talked to most bands about the musics that shaped them,
you'd probably be horrified. Important bands, even ones that borrow heavily
from their influences, are important because they stretch and change and
bring themselves, in addition their influences, to their music.
Ocean Blue are a very fine band, but they are nothing new. They certainly
aren't the Red House Painters. And that is probably because they spent the
first part of their career ripping off Echo and the Bunnymen (as I understand
it though, Ocean Blue, without a label to support them, are now creating some
of the best music that they ever have).
Not every band on 4AD is a great band, but to say that 4AD only puts out
"alternative" music is false. They put out music, which they believe in (and,
in most cases, music that will sell--let's face it, they are a business and
could not survive if they only put out music they purely liked). Most of it
is a bit eclectic and therefore doesn't sell tremendous amounts, therefore it
is marketed as "alternative". But if Red House Painters had platinum sales
figure, they'd be filed right next to Pearl Jam and the like.
Needless to say, if the Green Day singles you bought before everyone in the
world had heard of them really touched you, it shouldn't matter where they
are filed in the record store, what radio station listens to them, or if they
are in heavy rotation on MTV (I think Nirvana was an important band and they
are hardly alternative or underground or whatever).
"Alternative" is the first genre term that I can think of that really
encompasses a lot of different musical styles. You should venture outside of
the "alternative" realm every now and then. You will be guaranteed to find
music just as relevant and important.
Tim Buckley's "Lorca" or Nick Drake's "Pink Moon" or Big Star's "Third" or
even Bruce Springsteen's "Nebraska", this is all music that you won't find in
your local record store's "alternative" bin. But if bands like Cocteau Twins,
Dinosaur Jr., Pavement, The Breeders and the Red House Painters only listened
to the Cure, The Moon Seven Times, and Depeche Mode (who I think are all good
bands), they, most likely but not impossibly, would not be as good or as
important as they are.
I don't mean to preach, but I've been around music long enough to know that
I'll listen to whatever touches my soul. When I was fifteen, it was Joy
Division. When I was 20 it was The Roches and Nick Drake. Now that I'm 24
it's all that and more.
Gracias,
[email protected]
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 12:15:10 +1000
Steve Hill asked
>What songs have others declared brilliant upon first listening?
Underground Lovers - "Splendid She Said" (off last EP)
Liz Phair - "Shane"
Superchunk - "Throwing Things" (acoustic)
Sebadoh - "Magnet's Coil"
Also, I heard an Elastica album on the weekend (tracks 13-15) and by the end
of 14 I said "I will buy this immediately"... haven't yet ... !
Matthew.
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 22:07:00 -0500
>Also, I heard an Elastica album on the weekend (tracks 13-15) and by the end
of 14 I said "I will buy this immediately"... haven't yet ... !
buy it Matthew!
and to make this post relevant, but the new Air Miami, too!
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 22:17:36 -0600
Rob Galgano: Please e-mail me. I lost your address.
Tracks great on first listen:
porpoise/pale saints
souvlaki space station/slowdive
silent hedges/bauhaus
she's lost control/joy division
distractions/insides
pocketful of dust/spoonfed hybrid
blue skied an' clear/slowdive
king fade/pale saints (the one good song from an album full of bad ones)
language of flowers/pale saints
in your house/the cure
the first track on loveless (i forget the name)
the big time/suede
the list goes on
tracks of significance to me:
the wild ones/suede
lazarus/the boo radleys
blue flower/pale saints
blue monday/new order
music to sleep to:
hex/bark psychosis
pygmalion/slowdive
clearskin/insides
maybe the silence cd i picked up the other day -- my first FAX release.
the song "the colour of the sky" by pale saints (or "insanity" by boingo)
on endless repeat :)
of course, this list has been edited
eric
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 21:59:39 -0600
> time stereo
> 28143 w. 8 mile
> livonia, mi 48152
> fax - (810) 473-9321
>
> list/description of all the tapes on the catalogue sheet:
>
> noise camp - real kids, noise, camp
> noise camp remix - noise, drum machine, kids
> grape rave - electronic noise & science
> time remixes - fast sounds in noise style
> esp beetles - tapes of sound
> esp family - communist miner folk songs 1930
> esp summer - summer sound w/ian (masters) & warren
> time piano - avante garde piano, abstract style
> time sombrero - one man from minnesota plays at the same time
> pail saint - sounds from loops & sound
> dragon god - god bullies & princess dragon-mom "broken time"
> dragon god - "more time" better than "broken time"
> little princess - "forget to remember" fast noise with rap sound
> 3/4 time - swing, polkas, & country 1951-1962 tapes
> live esp - esp beetles live freak out tapes edit
> hearing trumpet - "sleepy lagoon" tapes, lp's noise
> new grape - noise + girl = pop
> his name is alive - mexico, live, etc. sound
> beat bandit - little princess ambient home record
> war machine - live show free noise rock
> communist guitar - warren's brother, recorded at factory
> electric mud - 1968 psychedelic blues "bootleg"
> your golden - little princess fast noise, out of print
>
>
> tapes are $4.50 each...mostly one sided,
> recorded on tdk normal bias cassettes...
No offense *k-j*, as I know you didn't write this, but does anyone else
find Time Stereo's descriptions borderline-useless? I recently received a
new sheet from them, and I know which ones have Warren Defaver on them.
I'll post them when I remember to bring the list with me. Tapes are $5.00
ppd, make checks out to "The Record Collector," not "Time Stereo." I just
had a check returned b/c it was made out to ts. Just thought I'd help.
eric