4ad-l Mail for 09-23-1995

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Subject: Temporary address
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 02:48:26 -0400
From: FCBdrone@AOL.COM
Subject: 2 new UK promos...
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:20:45 +0100
From: Andrew (G.S.Walker@DURHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Muses Tour & His Name Is Alive
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 08:37:52 EDT
From: Derek Innocent (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: Twinlights
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 09:18:44 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Looking for rare 4AD stuff in NYC
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 09:41:49 -0400
From: "John B. Jones" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: Re: LSD/F&D/TttS show
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 10:53:57 -0600
From: ".bigloveeyes." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: more music to sleep to
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 10:12:23 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: refutations
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 10:26:55 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: refutations
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 10:24:05 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Current 4AD release schedule
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 10:13:34 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Revelatory music
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 10:21:35 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Current 4AD release schedule
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 10:14:55 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Current 4AD release schedule
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 10:16:19 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: refutations
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:13:54 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: refutations (strictly nominal 4ad content)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:07:05 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: RHP "Three Hour Tour" Set list/tunings
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 11:49:23 -0700
From: "Paul C. Eastham" (paul@WAKKO.CS.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Love Spirals Downwards @ Troubador tonight
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 16:02:51 -0400
From: Darkwave3@AOL.COM
Subject: out of print 4ad
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 14:13:23 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: Re: AFX/XMAL/CT/Slowdive
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 12:01:58 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: more music to sleep to
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 12:15:50 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: the stars dance...burst...melt before our eyes...
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 12:11:01 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: revelatory music
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 12:30:42 -0700
From: Candice A Mack (mackc@WATNXT06.UCR.EDU)
Subject: Re: 2 new UK promos...
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:05:08 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: the stars dance...burst...melt before our eyes...
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 16:29:21 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: no 4ad content
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:38:06 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: refutations (still no 4ad content)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:33:03 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP "Three Hour Tour" Set list/tunings
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:45:23 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: No 4ad content
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:18:48 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: more music to sleep to
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 16:19:28 -0500
From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" (jenor@CSD.UWM.EDU)
Subject: Re: more music to sleep to
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 16:21:31 -0500
From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" (jenor@CSD.UWM.EDU)
Subject: origin of Slowdive's name, Hooky quote, date notation
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 18:05:45 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: sleep/first time
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 00:56:13 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Old CT Videos (Again)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 20:22:54 -0400
From: MiloV@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Like DeadCanDance Etc.
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 20:27:11 -0400
From: MiloV@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: (stop this) no 4ad content business (and that date thing)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 20:24:20 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: FAC HANNETT(?)-Air Miami
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 20:44:22 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: origin of Slowdive's name, Hooky quote, date notation
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 21:04:45 -0400
From: wendy lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: FAC HANNETT(?)-Air Miami
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 18:58:30 -0700
From: Noah Slankard (slankard@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Re: FAC HANNETT(?)-Air Miami
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 21:54:55 -0400
From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: your time tapes esp sound + noise = loops
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 19:05:55 -0700
From: nOISEgIRLY k-j and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: RHP "Three Hour Tour" Set list/tunings
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 21:22:28 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 02:48:26 -0400
From: FCBdrone@AOL.COM
Subject: Temporary address

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Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:20:45 +0100
From: Andrew (G.S.Walker@DURHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: 2 new UK promos...


Nobody seems to have mentioned these two new UK promos that are available;

 FTWW 23   4 track 12" promo for "Facing The Wrong Way" sampler
           (Amps/Mojave/Air Miami/Scheer)
 1 AMP     1 track  7" promo for ??? (same track both sides)

I did bring the details with me but I seem to have lost them,
More later,

Andrew.

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 08:37:52 EDT
From: Derek Innocent (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Muses Tour & His Name Is Alive


I've just subscribed to 4AD-L, so hi everyone.

A couple of questions.

1) Did anybody see Throwing Muses on the recent short tour with Air Miami? I
heard that they played half a set of new material. Does anybody know what the
songs were, or have any comments about them?

2) What's with Warren these days? It's been two and a half years since the last
HNIA LP. Are we to be rewarded soon for our patience?

While I'm here, I can recommend the Tarnation LP to anyone out there who hasn't
yet heard it, and what I've heard of the new Mojave album is exceptional too.

- Dez

(Current wows:- Clubbed To Death - Clubbed To Death (Mo Wax ep), Gentle
Creatures - Tarnation (4AD), Slamina - Coping Saw (Mook 7"), There Are Strings -
Spring Heeled Jack (Rough Trade), Amphibian - Bang Bang Machine (Ultimate))


Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 09:18:44 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Twinlights


The last date I got was from Simon Raymonde, and that date was Sept 25
(UK Retail). The last US date I was given was Sept 26. As far as I know,
the Sept 26 date has not changed.  At the very least, you'd have to buy
the import if you didn't want to wait for US release.

Mike
iceblink@delphi.com

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 09:41:49 -0400
From: "John B. Jones" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: Looking for rare 4AD stuff in NYC


Hello fellow listies!

My wife and I are taking a trip to New York City for Columbus Day weekend.
I am planning on taking some CD buying money to look for some things (like
import of Ricochet Days) and was wondering if any NYC people on the list
can tell me where THEY go to buy their stuff.

I am also looking for any record store that sells promo CDs (I want to find
that Liquorice remix promo!!) and a record store that sells FAX releases.

Any help that you helpful people could give would help me out a  whole
helpful lot.  I have Bob Gajarsky's internet guide to record stores in
Greenwich Village,  just need to match these places with what they have in
terms of 4AD stuff and imports and promos.

Before I go, can I put a pitch in for IDAHO? I found year after year in the
cutout bin last month, and I listen to it a few times a week.  It has the
slow plodding feel of Red House Painters, but the focus is on the swirling
mass of guitar-work instead of crafting melodies.  The whole CD has a
brilliant feel to it.    The vocals sound like that Gira guy from the
Swans.  This is the 90's version of The Cure's "Pornography", in terms of
bleak, haunting melodies and overall dark cloud hanging over it.






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they are.  They might be two kids who've run away to follow the Grateful
Dead."
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Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 10:53:57 -0600
From: ".bigloveeyes." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: LSD/F&D/TttS show


On Fri, 22 Sep 1995, Brant Dewdrops wrote:

> I really did like Trance to the Sun! And so did a few others around me,
> so they weren't universally loathed. At times the music reminded me
> a bit of Lycia, but mostly it was the early Cocteaus, loud
> guitar-bass-drum machine sound. I think they pulled it off
> well, although I don't think it would be nearly as intense
> on an album.

well, i'm glad some of you at there enjoyed them.  they played in
colorado in july and i thought it was great.  incredibly nice people
too....the truth is the lead singer likes hardcore techno and is really
hyper and fun and the guitarplayer guy is one of the nicest musicians
i've ever spent time with.  incidentally, i really love the
albums...._ghost forest_ is quieter and almost ambientgoth or
something...lots of washing guitar.  _bloom flowers, bloom!_ has more
drums and will definitely appeal to that li'l bit of goth in you.

        .mark.

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 10:12:23 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: more music to sleep to


favorite to get to the sleep zone:

Roxy Music - Avalon
theThe - Burning Blue Soul
Tangerine Dream - Cyclone
Cure - Pornography, although my ex claims it gave him nightmares, geesh
Love is Colder Than Death - Ox...something, i cann't spell ;)
Sky Cries Mary - anything

Current releases:

Lisa Gerrard - The Mirror Pool
Heavenly Voice III, the last week so this is a clear winner
Pet Shop Boys - Alternative disc 2

zzzzzzzzzzz, euthelene (hunting for the ultimate sleep zone)

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 10:26:55 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: refutations


You wrote:
>
>> Pardon me. Hate to be a bore. What does this have to do with 4AD
music?
>
>*sigh* -- absolutely nothing. It was all started by someone who chose
to
>attack my beliefs as expressed in a harmless little .sig

too clarify i was not attacking i was enjoying and reveling in the
genius, so don't claim that it twas I who speared your
soul...euthelene, who thinks she will just lurk for awhile because
tempers a flaring a tad too high and there is no fire escape

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 10:24:05 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: refutations


You wrote:
>
>Pardon me. Hate to be a bore. What does this have to do with 4AD
music?
>
>Martin
>not usually one to flame off-topic discussions, but this is a MAJOR
waste
>of bandwidth
>
sometimes there are people enjoy this kind of discussion, if you don't
like it hit delete, i do it for the CT stuff which doesn't interest a
diddly,  pretty soon people will get bored with going back and forth
and this too will pass, maybe like a kidney stone, but it will pass.

euthelene, trying to be diplomatic but failing miserably today.

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 10:13:34 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Current 4AD release schedule


You wrote:
>
>>what kind of date are 16-1, 30-10 and 22-2?  me thinks you should
>>specify the type of dating you use.  some people are not familiar
with
>>international dating of day before month!  at elast put the whole
thing
>>such as 16-1-96, or something.  now i've confused myself so much i
>>gotta headringer.
>
>It's not confusing for dates after the 12th of any month since that
date
>doesn't exist in our US system.  In this case it was quite clear which
>system was used, why should Europeans cater to our backwards system.
It
>makes more sense to progress from smallest unit of time (day) to
largest
>(year).
>
>-cz
well excuse me, cough cough


Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 10:21:35 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Revelatory music


You wrote:
>
>It's been years since I've heard a song that I thought was absolutely
>brilliant upon first listening.
>
>Many songs I think are good and then improve with listening, many
songs I
>don't like, many that I think are GREAT and stay that way... but an
>absolute musical revelation on the first listen?
>
>The most recent one for me was Pale Saints' "Hunted".
>The next closest was Skinny Puppy's "Knowhere?"
>
>What songs have others declared brilliant upon first listening?
> --
theThe - Gravitate to Me
Pet Shop boys - Do I have To?
The Verve - On Your Own
Stereo MCs - Connected
James - Skin Diving 1-3-4

and about 100 others

euthelene, who can't read numbers

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 10:14:55 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Current 4AD release schedule


You wrote:
>
>clueless wrote:
>> >
>> what kind of date are 16-1, 30-10 and 22-2?  me thinks you should
>> specify the type of dating you use.  some people are not familiar
with
>> international dating of day before month!  at elast put the whole
thing
>> such as 16-1-96, or something.  now i've confused myself so much i
>> gotta headringer.
>
>Course, some of those people might figure it out since there is only
>12 months in a year.  duh
>
>
>
>kent
>kjv@mti.cdc.com
>a wallflower no more
>
well excuse me again, sheesh lighten up.  i had so many personal emails
from people asking me about and besides, me personally i am dyslexic
and life gets a tad confusing at times so, ;P :)

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 10:16:19 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Current 4AD release schedule


You wrote:
>
>> what kind of date are 16-1, 30-10 and 22-2?  me thinks you should
>> specify the type of dating you use.  some people are not familiar
with
>> international dating of day before month!  at elast put the whole
thing
>> such as 16-1-96, or something.  now i've confused myself so much i
>> gotta headringer.
>
>        Obviously, since there's no such thing as the 16th month, 30th
>month, or 22nd month, those must be the dates! :p And that other
number?
>Well by process of elimination, those must be the months! How would
>including the year help? In the American date system, the three
numbers
>are out of hierarchical order, in the European one (the one currently
>under close scrutination) they are.
who pissed in you guys' coffee, again, lighten up

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:13:54 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: refutations


On Sat, 23 Sep 1995, Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh wrote:

> sometimes there are people enjoy this kind of discussion, if you don't
> like it hit delete, i do it for the CT stuff which doesn't interest a
> diddly,  pretty soon people will get bored with going back and forth
> and this too will pass, maybe like a kidney stone, but it will pass.
>
At least CT discussions have some relation to the topic of 4AD Records.
This is a general theological debate, and as such is OFF-TOPIC. I do hit
delete, but would rather be getting relevant postings in the first place.

Martin

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:07:05 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: refutations (strictly nominal 4ad content)


On Fri, 22 Sep 1995, Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey wrote:

> I, at least, don't think this is a pointless discussion: any discussion
> which causes us to examine the grounds of our beliefs ("us" too) is
> useful. The mind can be likened to a muscle; it'll atrophy if left unused.

That's fine. So conduct this discussion on one of the alt.christnet
newsgroups. My point was that I've always been under the impression that
where the Internet was concerned, there were certain mutually agreed upon
rules, and one was that specific newsgroups, discussion groups and
mailing lists were for particular topics and lengthy off-topic
discussions were frowned upon. So I'm frowning.

BTW I don't like religion any more than you do.

Martin

PS It's like this: Should I buy the Tarnation CD or not? See? That's a
4AD topic.


Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 11:49:23 -0700
From: "Paul C. Eastham" (paul@WAKKO.CS.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: RHP "Three Hour Tour" Set list/tunings


Hi list,
 Here's some info that I "found" after the San Jose RHP show.  The shows
have been great so far -- try to make it to the two remaining performances
(in LA sometime next week and in SF on 9/30 at the Great American Music
Hall) if you can.

--Paul

--

Set list, guitars, and tunings from Red House Painters' "Three Hour Tour",
September 1995.  They used the same program at both the Cactus Club (San
Jose) and Berkeley Square shows.

If this inspires anyone to transcribe any of these songs, I'd appreciate
a copy at eastham@pasteur.eecs.berkeley.edu.

1. Evil - Fire Bird - CGCFAD
2. 24 - Fire Bird - CGCFAD
3. Uncle Joe - Dove - DGCFAD
4. Dragonflies - Melody Maker - D#A#D#GCF Capo III
5. New song (untitled) - Les Paul - EBEADF# Capo II
6. Moments - Melody Maker - GBEADF# Capo II
7. Make Like Paper - Firebrand Les Paul - DADGAD
8. Revelation Big Sur - Dove - EBEABE Capo II
9. Medicine Bottle - Les Paul - DADGAE Capo II
10. Strawberry - Fire Bird - DGCFAD
11. Katy Song - Firebrand - D#A#D#GCF Capo II
12. Long Distance Runaround - Yamaha Acoustic
--
(band takes a break, Mark plays Take Me Out, Grace Cathedral Park, Michael,
and some audience requests)
--
13. Blue Guitar - Dove - unknown tuning
14. Down Colorful Hill - Melody Maker - D#GCFA#D
15. Mother - Melody Maker - DbGCFAD

--Paul Eastham
eastham@pasteur.eecs.berkeley.edu

Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 16:02:51 -0400
From: Darkwave3@AOL.COM
Subject: Love Spirals Downwards @ Troubador tonight


Tonight Thursday September 21 is the Love Spirals Downwards, Faith & Disease,
Trance to the Sun show at the Troubador.  The Troubador is located at 9081
Santa Monica Blvd in Hollywood and is an all ages show.  LSD takes the stage
at about 11 pm.  The Troubador's info line is  (310) 276-6168.

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 14:13:23 -0500
From: MGARRETT@DEPAUW.EDU
Subject: out of print 4ad


does anyone have a list (complete or partial) or 4ad releases that
are now out of print.  Thanks for any help.

Mike

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 12:01:58 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: AFX/XMAL/CT/Slowdive


You wrote:
>
>>the cds. i like to fall asleep to, are Pygmalion (hell, i don't even
>>make it to 'crazy for you'), the RACHEL'S- handwriting cd, and my
>>apollo ambient comp.... biosphere and global comm. back to back,
>>perfect.
>
>I find Aphex Twin's Selected Ambient Works II quite nice sleeping
music.

agreed. especially disc 1.

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 12:15:50 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: more music to sleep to


>Cure - Pornography, although my ex claims it gave him nightmares,
geesh

although i love the album, i think it would give me nightmares too!
i'm not sure if i could sleep peacefully after the first line on the
entire album.... "it doesn't matter if we all die." .

                                -robert.

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 12:11:01 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: the stars dance...burst...melt before our eyes...


You wrote:
>
>> > What songs have others declared brilliant upon first listening?

 i thought "sly" -massive attack
           "spring" - Saint Etienne
           "far away" - Cranes
           "spanish air" -slowdive
           "shine a light" -spiritualized

    were all brilliant the first time i heard them.

                            -robert.


Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 12:30:42 -0700
From: Candice A Mack (mackc@WATNXT06.UCR.EDU)
Subject: Re: revelatory music


here's my contribution:

love spirals downwards - "will you fade"
cocteau twins - "sea, swallow me"
this mortal coil - "kangaroo"
dead can dance - "the carnival is over"
dead can dance - "enigma of the absolute"
dead can dance - "rakim"
mozart - "moonlight sonata"
puccini - "o mio babbino caro"
chopin - "fantaisie impromptu"
the chameleons - "swamp thing"
joy division - "twenty four hours"
joy division - "decades"
depeche mode - "sweetest perfection"
depeche mode - "question of lust"
siouxsie & the banshees - "the last beat of my heart"
cure - "untitled"
billie holiday - "sophisticated lady"
billie holiday - "when your lover has gone"
billie holiday - "i don't want to cry anymore"
portishead - "roads"

oops. that's more than a few.

i could go on forever.

--candice

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romantic love keeps the world dead.
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Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:05:08 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: 2 new UK promos...


>Nobody seems to have mentioned these two new UK promos that are available;

 >FTWW 23   4 track 12" promo for "Facing The Wrong Way" sampler

A promo for a sampler?  What's next, a single from the promo for a sampler?

Martin
mahoyt@uci.edu
"Near the end it's said 'You can't do this' I said I can...' "

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 16:29:21 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: the stars dance...burst...melt before our eyes...


> What songs have others declared brilliant upon first listening?

I don't know about others, but here are mine:

1.   "Love's Easy Tears": Coteau Twins
2.   "Underneath The Moon": Maggie and Terre Roche
3.   "Pink Frost": The Chills
4.   "Atmosphere" Joy Division
5.   "Partyline": Stockholm Monsters
6.   "Airplane Rider": Air Miami
7.   "Born To Run": Bruce Springsteen
8.   "Shack Up": A Certain Ratio
9.   "Smoking Her Wings": The Bats
10. "Medicine Bottle": RHP

Runners up: "Where is My Mind": Pixies; "Dolphins": Tim Buckley;

RBN Ry@aol.com

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:38:06 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: no 4ad content


euthelene explained:
> too clarify i was not attacking i was enjoying and reveling in the
> genius, so don't claim that it twas I who speared your
> soul...euthelene, who thinks she will just lurk for awhile because
> tempers a flaring a tad too high and there is no fire escape

        I apologize. I misunderstood you. It now appears I am to blame
for this whole thread. You said it 'gave you a good laugh' and I
interpreted this to mean you reacted as in 'yeah right', like everyone
else turned out to.

= "Wake up, see    \ If there's no God, why      + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists?         + dread the due changes   =
= done is done..." \  -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..."               =
=  -Ride: "Today"  /   Ontological Proof         +  -Red House Painters    =


Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:33:03 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: refutations (still no 4ad content)


> So "God" becomes your name for this unlikelihood, whereas scientists
> might christen it "The Big Bang," etc. Defining "God" in such an abstract
> way stretches the meaning so far we might as well call it "love,"
> "spirit," "the strong electromagnetic force," or "The Force."

        But the difference is, the Big Bang by itself is not a creative force,
merely an exploding one. BTW, I am aware that the Big Bang has been
definitively proven by the fact that all galaxies are hurtling outward
from a historical central point. Apparently this is the way God brought
the universe into being.

> The argument for God started within a specifically *Christian* framework.
> *That* god is defined not only by creation, but by a whole series of
> other attributes, which (among other things) are supposed to order our
> behavior, compel our worship, etc. etc.

        You are absolutely correct. The argument for God does not begin
and end teleologically.

> Granting for the moment taht "God" created the universe--does that compel
> us in any way to acknowledge that force? (Remember, all I'm granting is
> that "God is a retired engineer": God set things up, and that's it) I
> don't see why.

        Do you realize that you're basing this assumption on your own
self-interest? Wouldn't it be nice if God just left us alone to do our
own thing? Well, sorry, but it doesn't make any sense to me for God to
make the universe and then just let it sit there. God's movements in
history have been well-established by history as found in the Bible (not
an iota of which anyone can disprove, and if it WERE false, wouldn't the
opposing side find SOMETHING to disprove?), culminating in Christ's
resurrection. By now of course you will begin to protest most shrilly,
because I have dared to invoke the one miracle by which all the other
ones before and after base their meaning. This makes you very uncomfortable.

> You need to go a lot further than mathematical odds to explain why God
> ought to be regarded as a personal god, why God compels worship &
> obedience, etc. etc. etc.: all the paraphernalia of organized religion.

        That is certainly true--there is much more evidence which demands
a verdict than purely 'scientific', or quanitifiable ones. However, I am
not convinced that the majority of people on this list would like this to
be carried that far.

= "Wake up, see    \ If there's no God, why      + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists?         + dread the due changes   =
= done is done..." \  -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..."               =
=  -Ride: "Today"  /   Ontological Proof         +  -Red House Painters    =

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:45:23 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP "Three Hour Tour" Set list/tunings


        Wow! I had no idea RHP used so many different tunings! Not a
single song in standard tuning...I guess that explains a lot of things,
like when I've tried to sit down and learn a song and couldn't find the
chords. Do Mark Kozelek and Gordon Mack use the same tunings at the same
time, then?
        And how did you figure out what tunings they were using??

= "Wake up, see    \ If there's no God, why      + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists?         + dread the due changes   =
= done is done..." \  -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..."               =
=  -Ride: "Today"  /   Ontological Proof         +  -Red House Painters    =

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 13:18:48 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: No 4ad content


> Why, every time I've gotten into discussion w/a religious person about
> the grounds of their beliefs, have they eventually resorted to this
> "pointless" "no one will change their mind" position?

        Because it's true. I've already made up my mind, ultimately based
upon personal life experience which nothing you can say can refute. And
likewise, you've already made up your mind, and whatever explanations or
arguments I try to put forward, you will have some defense, factually
based or not, against them. Don't pretend you're on the side of
objectivity. No one is. Everyone makes their own decision regardless of
the 'facts'.

> While I'm at it, the reason, I suspect, many of us bothered to respond to
> this thread, from an anti-religious viewpoint, is because organized
> religion has been quite arguably the single most negative force in world
> history, and continues vying for that role today. So, while it's your
> choice to believe what you wish, the moment you start impressing those
> beliefs upon others, you need to take responsibility for the consequences
> of those beliefs, which include the history of similar beliefs and
> organizations which propound them.

        Use some short-term memory. The point was certainly not to
'impress my beliefs' on others. It started with my explaining what I
meant by 'if there's no God, why are there atheists', which of course no
one could understand who didn't already believe in God (I assume NO ONE
on this list, not exactly a cross-section of society). Then other people
saw fit to point out why I was full of crap and so I had to defend myself.
        As for organized religion in history, it has certainly been USED
to very negative consequences, i.e. the Spanish Inquisition, etc.
Government has also been abused by power-hungry despots, but that's no
basis for resorting to anarchy. Can you give specific examples of how
religion continues to be "the single most negative force"?
        And do you realize that your blanket condemnation of all
religious people could, in the wrong hands, be used someday for, oh, say,
genocide? Hitler believed Jews were the single most negative force in
history, and look what he did to them.

= "Wake up, see    \ If there's no God, why      + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists?         + dread the due changes   =
= done is done..." \  -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..."               =
=  -Ride: "Today"  /   Ontological Proof         +  -Red House Painters    =

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 16:19:28 -0500
From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" (jenor@CSD.UWM.EDU)
Subject: Re: more music to sleep to


Cornered and defenseless, yet lashing out with futile spite, bile, and
malice, on Fri, 22 Sep 1995, Holly A. Hopey wrote:

> Michael Brook's Cobal Blue always puts me to sleep.  In fact, I've
> rarely heard the end of the album because I've drifted off by then.
>

Same for me w/Fripp & Eno's "Index of Metals." One thing that always
bugged me about Fripp's "Frippertronics" stuff is that it tends to be
largely consonant--"Index" is one of the few that goes instead toward
dissonance. I think it also has the distinction of including the world's
longest fade.

--Jeff

Jeffrey Norman                          "I feel that all movies should have
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee                things that happen in them."
Dept. of English & Comp. Lit.

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 16:21:31 -0500
From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" (jenor@CSD.UWM.EDU)
Subject: Re: more music to sleep to


Channeling Elvis, on Sat, 23 Sep 1995, Robert Pietrusko wrote:

> >Cure - Pornography, although my ex claims it gave him nightmares,
> geesh
>
> although i love the album, i think it would give me nightmares too!
> i'm not sure if i could sleep peacefully after the first line on the
> entire album.... "it doesn't matter if we all die." .
>
>

What I love about that song is that it mostly has only the two chords
(there's a third one that creeps in now and again)--until nearly the end
of the song, when suddenly they shift to a really distant chord: that,
actually, ought to wake you up....

--Jeff

Jeffrey Norman                                                "Crumple zones,
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee              harmful or fatal if swallowed,
Dept. of English & Comp. Lit.                           small-craft warning."


Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 18:05:45 -0400
From: Larry Koch (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: origin of Slowdive's name, Hooky quote, date notation


>what's for dinner tonite, spiderman?

What's *that* all about?

>Nevertheless there _is_ a Siouxie & the Banshees song called "Slowdive",
>from "A Kiss In the Dreamhouse" (1982). The live version of this with Rob't
>Smith on guitar, on "Nocturne" (1983?) is probably the best thing they ever
>did...
>(Given Slowdive's influences I find it hard to believe that Neil was not
>familiar with this song!)

Oh really? What ARE Slowdive's influences then? Neil may or may not have
been aware of the song, but as I already said, the entire band hates or is
at least indifferent to Siouxsie except for Rachel (I read this in an
interview with Rachel). I suppose this also explains why Slowdive's
eponymous first single was not a cover. The Cocteaus didn't actually know
who Cocteau was when they started, so anything can happen.

Wendy sigged:
>"There's a very fine line between being artistic and being a dickhead"
>                                                         --Peter Hook

Hmm, strangely reminiscent of:
        "There's such a fine line between clever and stupid"
                                                -Nigel Tufnel of Spinal Tap

>It's not confusing for dates after the 12th of any month since that date
>doesn't exist in our US system.  In this case it was quite clear which
>system was used, why should Europeans cater to our backwards system.  It
>makes more sense to progress from smallest unit of time (day) to largest
>(year).

Exactly! Given that the month-day-year order is used only in the US, it
seems a little arrogant to expect everyone to use it. For a truly backwards
system, try the Japanese method: year-month-day. For a foolproof variant on
the European notation, you could always use the Hungarian version, putting
the number of the month in Roman numerals (e.g. today is 23.IX.95), but then
all of this is a futile as trying to convince Americans to use the metric
system or get them to understand the 24-hour clock...

And enough with the metaphysics already!

Larry

"Corporation T-shirt, stupid bloody Tuesday..."


Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 00:56:13 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: sleep/first time


BEFORE SLEEP:

Red House Painters - down colourfull hill
Kristin Hersh - hips and makers
Michael Brook - live at the aquarium
Mazzy Star - so tonight that i might see
Dead Can Dance - within the realm of a dying sun
Talk Talk - laughing stock
Vic Chesnutt - west of rome
Angelo Badalamenti - music from twin peaks
The Cure - faith
Michael Nyman - drowning by numbers
This Mortal Coil - every album


FIRST TIME: WOW!

Cocteau Twins - shallow then halo / ivo
Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares - pritouritze planinata
Red House Painters - medicine bottle
PJ Harvey - oh my lover (and every other song she has made...)
Belly - low red moon (slow dust version)
Pixies - no. 13 baby
Tricky - strugglin'
Felt - primitive painters
Sinead O'Connor - troy
Bel Canto - white-out conditions
The Cure - the figurehead
Portishead - mysterons
Curve - the colour hurts
Anita Lane - sugar in a hurricane
Tarnation - big o motel
Dead Can Dance - first time i saw them live in 1988
The Breeders - every song...

and a lot more



Emiel Efdee

------------------------------------
-      rotterdam, the netherlands
-      efdee@luna.nl
-      http://www.luna.nl/~efdee/
------------------------------------


Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 20:22:54 -0400
From: MiloV@AOL.COM
Subject: Old CT Videos (Again)


Does anyone out there have a copy (good preferably) of the CT videos for
Evangeline or Cico Bluff, I have compiled a tape with all except these.
I have never seen them and they don't seem to be in the MTV archives, but
the FAQ claims that they exist and being the 4AD completist that I am I
would like to get all of them on tape.  I would be willing to send anyone
who has both or either of these, a tape with all of the videos once I
complete it.

Later,



James                 "speak a little softer
                                      work a little louder
"The Devil breaks both your hands,    shoot less with more care
 Takes your stuff and runs away."     sing a little sweeter
 -HNIA                                and love a little longer
                                      and soon you will be there"
                                      -Jane Siberry

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 20:27:11 -0400
From: MiloV@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Like DeadCanDance Etc.


>> Anyone heard any more bands on the 4AD label that sounds like DeadCan
Dance /
>> This Mortal Coil / Cocteau Twins except from His Name Is Alive ?

I love the above three and one of the few other groups that I would rate
up there with these is An April March, they have an album and an EP and
another album on the way (I think).

Oops I just re-read your mail, they're not on 4AD thy're on Cartwheel or
somesuchthing, Sorry.

all be so happy!)

Later,





James                 "speak a little softer
                                      work a little louder
"The Devil breaks both your hands,    shoot less with more care
 Takes your stuff and runs away."     sing a little sweeter
 -HNIA                                and love a little longer
                                      and soon you will be there"
                                      -Jane Siberry

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 20:24:20 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: (stop this) no 4ad content business (and that date thing)


Please, please, please, please dear God (or whatever/ whomever) no more of
this! If I see yet another download with a "no 4AD content" appendage...
and as for the other, this message was posted on 23-9-95 at 18:56.

So as to not cheat you people (that is if you haven't already deleted this
little post), I would really like to know the whereabouts of Colourbox (what
is this Colourbox 2 business). Contrary to most of the people on this here
little newsgroup, I LOVE THEM and M | A | R | R | S (a lot).

I'm really just babbling, it's just that I didn't want to cheat anyone out of
the thrill of seeing material actually related to 4AD posted  (since this is
the subject we're supposed to be discussing). I don't even mind the
occasional stoopid Cure question (unless it pertains to anything before
"Pornography"). At least it relates to music.

At any rate whoever knows the whereabouts of COLOURBOX, let me know.

Gracias,

RBN Ry@aol.com

RIBBON | 3000 A COOK ST. | B'HAM, AL 35209

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 20:44:22 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: FAC HANNETT(?)-Air Miami


I do know that Martin Hannet (fifth member of Joy Division some would say) is
no longer with us (i.e. dead). I am inquiring as to the circumstances
surrounding his departure. Someone please oblige. His production style has
reared its beautiful head on some of the tracks on ME ME ME (most notably
"World Cup Fever" and that space instrumental thangie that I can never
remember the name of).

Gracias,

RBN Ry@aol.com


Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 21:04:45 -0400
From: wendy lyon (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: origin of Slowdive's name, Hooky quote, date notation


On Sat, 23 Sep 1995, Larry Koch wrote:

(re my .sig)

> Hmm, strangely reminiscent of:
>         "There's such a fine line between clever and stupid"
>                                                 -Nigel Tufnel of Spinal Tap
>
Oh, damn, guess I have to come up with a new one now.
Sigh. :-)
-----
wendy

"There's a very fine line between being artistic and being a dickhead"
                                                         --Peter Hook


Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 18:58:30 -0700
From: Noah Slankard (slankard@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Re: FAC HANNETT(?)-Air Miami


On Sat, 23 Sep 1995, Roy Burns wrote:

> I do know that Martin Hannet (fifth member of Joy Division some would say) is
> no longer with us (i.e. dead). I am inquiring as to the circumstances
> surrounding his departure. Someone please oblige.

        If I remember correctly, he died of a heart attack.

                                noah
                        (slankard@primenet.com)

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 21:54:55 -0400
From: Initialboy@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FAC HANNETT(?)-Air Miami


Quoth the raven (nevermore!?):

>I do know that Martin Hannet (fifth member of Joy Division some would say)
is
>no longer with us (i.e. dead). I am inquiring as to the circumstances
>surrounding his departure. Someone please oblige.

Massive heart attack, circa 1991 or so?  A few years back, at least.  I think
I have the NME commemorative issue stashed away somewhere in me closet, but
that'd take a gigantic effort to look for it.

>His production style has
>reared its beautiful head on some of the tracks on ME ME ME (most notably
>"World Cup Fever" and that space instrumental thangie that I can never
>remember the name of).

Actually, about a good third of 'Me. Me. Me.' is tres Hannett-esque, n'est-ce
pas?  But then again, Mssr. Robinson seems to have been quite a Fac-freak
since day one (day two, at least) - cases in point: the Unrest 'Factory
Record' and all the hububeelzebubba wif Cath Carroll.

Nonetheless, I, for one, am extremely amused/pleased with the Air Hannett,
erm, Miami album.  So there.

Cheers,


hk

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 19:05:55 -0700
From: nOISEgIRLY k-j and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: your time tapes esp sound + noise = loops


  i just posted this privately, but i thought i'd make it public...just
  in case anyone was thinking about re-asking the age old time stereo
  questions...

  time stereo
  28143 w. 8 mile
  livonia, mi  48152
  fax - (810) 473-9321

  list/description of all the tapes on the catalogue sheet:

  noise camp         - real kids, noise, camp
  noise camp remix   - noise, drum machine, kids
  grape rave         - electronic noise & science
  time remixes       - fast sounds in noise style
  esp beetles        - tapes of sound
  esp family         - communist miner folk songs 1930
  esp summer         - summer sound w/ian (masters) & warren
  time piano         - avante garde piano, abstract style
  time sombrero      - one man from minnesota plays at the same time
  pail saint         - sounds from loops & sound
  dragon god         - god bullies & princess dragon-mom "broken time"
  dragon god         - "more time" better than "broken time"
  little princess    - "forget to remember" fast noise with rap sound
  3/4 time           - swing, polkas, & country 1951-1962 tapes
  live esp           - esp beetles live freak out tapes edit
  hearing trumpet    - "sleepy lagoon" tapes, lp's noise
  new grape          - noise + girl = pop
  his name is alive  - mexico, live, etc. sound
  beat bandit        - little princess ambient home record
  war machine        - live show free noise rock
  communist guitar   - warren's brother, recorded at factory
  electric mud       - 1968 psychedelic blues "bootleg"
  your golden        - little princess fast noise, out of print


  tapes are $4.50 each...mostly one sided,
  recorded on tdk normal bias cassettes...


  no habla "j"-isms,
  esp cricket...the sunshine sound girl


Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 21:22:28 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP "Three Hour Tour" Set list/tunings


        I have another question--what are the songs "Make Like Paper",
"Revelation Big Sur", and "Blue Guitar"? Are they covers or new songs? If
the former, then by whom?

= "Wake up, see    \ If there's no God, why      + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists?         + dread the due changes   =
= done is done..." \  -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..."               =
=  -Ride: "Today"  /   Ontological Proof         +  -Red House Painters    =


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