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Subject: autechre tri repetae please
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 00:27:44 -0400
From: bruce levenstein (bruceL@INTERRAMP.COM)
Subject: me me me . so so so
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 00:27:20 -0400
From: bruce levenstein (bruceL@INTERRAMP.COM)
Subject: Re: no habla his name is alive
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 00:52:10 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: DeadCanDance
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 00:20:04 -0700
From: nOISEgIRLY k-j and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: the real death of rock and roll
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 02:34:29 -0500
From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" (jenor@CSD.UWM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 00:55:23 PDT
From: chris ayres (Chris=Ayres.JNB01.RX@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM)
Subject: Re: resequence and enjoy
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 09:03:26 +0100
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Dead Can Dance
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:00:36 GMT
From: Stefan Tegstrom (Stefan_Tegstrom@online.idg.se)
Subject: Re: electrafixion
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 12:24:02 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Modern English
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 04:34:07 PDT
From: chris ayres (Chris=Ayres.JNB01.RX@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM)
Subject: Re: Modern English
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 08:02:44 -0400
From: Hement Gopal (090GOPAL@UWCC.CC.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: Modern English
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 05:42:37 PDT
From: chris ayres (Chris=Ayres.JNB01.RX@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM)
Subject: Re: the real death of rock and roll
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 06:51:57 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Modern English
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 09:39:26 -0400
From: Hement Gopal (090GOPAL@UWCC.CC.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 08:21:09 EDT
From: Ned Norland (nnorland@WALNUT.PRS.K12.NJ.US)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 09:36:18 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Who is the list admin???
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:36:52 -0400
From: Jim Jones (jimj@CLARK.NET)
Subject: Re: catherine wheel
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 08:27:54 EDT
From: Ned Norland (nnorland@WALNUT.PRS.K12.NJ.US)
Subject: Re: Modern English
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 11:22:38 EDT
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: RE : How to Unsubscribe
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 11:13:50 -0400
From: Scott Schaefer/ES/COMPUSERVE
Subject: Me.Me.Me. promo poster wanted
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 17:42:17 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: FTWW CD labels
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 17:42:37 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: DCD split
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 16:42:58 +0100
From: p.r.green@IC.AC.UK
Subject: Colourbox Vocalist
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 09:37:30 PDT
From: Ara Kermanikian (araker@MICROSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 09:13:53 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Twinlights film and FTWW
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 17:21:46 -0700
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: resequence and enjoy
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:12:21 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: a cure question
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 11:00:19 -0700
From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@LYNX.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: Modern English
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:23:02 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: AVAM posters offerred
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:43:34 -0700
From: Brant Nelson Dewdrops Fanzine (nelson@POLARIS.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: RHP
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 11:15:42 -0700
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: the real death of rock and roll
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:12:36 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: a cure question
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:26:20 EDT
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: Re: Colourbox Vocalist
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 13:51:59 -0500
From: Terry Collins (ispy@OAK.NCC.UMN.EDU)
Subject: why i quit the lush list and perfect teeth
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 13:33:26 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: xmal deutschland help
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:10:36 EWT
From: soul whirling somewhere (BGMUTZA@CLUSTER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: autechre tri repetae please
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:55:17 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Colourbox Vocalist
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 14:06:54 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 16:01:39 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: xmal deutschland help
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:48:02 -0600
From: anricat (mazonas@UCSUB.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: m7x
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:19:41 -0400
From: DISORDER OF ARCADIANS (SG12200@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 14:59:37 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 16:22:45 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: xmal deutschland help
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 01:36:35 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Is it Me or The System?
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 20:45:16 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: the posters are claimed
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 17:21:30 -0700
From: Brant Nelson Dewdrops Fanzine (nelson@POLARIS.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: AVAM posters offerred
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 02:32:02 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Current 4AD release schedule
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 20:41:08 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: v23 Ltd...
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 02:55:31 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: a cure question
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 02:41:18 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: a cure question
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 18:24:03 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: 4AD-L FAQ
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 17:22:44 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re: fax / music to sleep 2
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 18:13:22 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Dust Devils [Re: Whoops!]
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 17:40:37 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re: DeadCanDance
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 18:50:03 -0700
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: xmal deutschland help
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 20:28:47 -0500
From: kylexene@TEZCAT.COM
Subject: Re: xmal deutschland help
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 18:37:21 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: to the sky, the cure
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 22:30:24 -0400
From: NWND@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Subject: Re: DeadCanDance
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 19:52:11 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: the real death of rock and roll
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 18:39:15 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 00:27:44 -0400
From: bruce levenstein (bruceL@INTERRAMP.COM)
Subject: autechre tri repetae please


will the person who posted the advanced review of the new autechre please
be kind enough to repost it. i'm interested to hear how it compares to
amber and garbage, both of which i love.

-bruce

 ---------------------------------------------
 |   A is for AMY who fell down the stairs.  |
 ---------------------------------------------
 | bruce levenstein     brucel@interramp.com |
 ---------------------------------------------


Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 00:27:20 -0400
From: bruce levenstein (bruceL@INTERRAMP.COM)
Subject: me me me . so so so


finally tracked down a copy of the new air miami yesterday. about all i can
say is that it's not bad. most of the tracks are really more pop ideas than
pop songs. this is not necessarily bad, just not really memorable. it's
nice to hear them open up the sound with drum machines, synths, and
distortion. i suspect this is due to producer guy fixsen.
the song dolphin expressway is really nice actually. which of the two
current promo samplers is this one on?

i doubt i'll be keeping the cd though, so if anyone more tolerant than me
wants to take it off my hands, let me know.

-bruce

 ---------------------------------------------
 |   A is for AMY who fell down the stairs.  |
 ---------------------------------------------
 | bruce levenstein     brucel@interramp.com |
 ---------------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 00:52:10 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: no habla his name is alive


>   not seamless, but certainly not choppy and out of place. i'm especially
>   amused by the mexican radio dj...the first time he comes up i can't
>   help but think he's saying something terribly sinister. it's the way
>   he injects "mouth by mouth" into his dialogue...i dunno...you just
>   have to hear it to understand it. anyhoo, not just a live rekkid, but
>   spinnerin',
>   nOISEgIRLY k-j

hey! thats what i was talking about last year!!
no one botherd to pay much attention to me...
but yea i think that is so funny.. watch univision
and you can see at&t comercials with the same effect...
im glad you said that.. im getting it translated if you
want to knwo what hes saying...


                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu
mmmm... maybe i was talking to jOHN when i said that.
thats probably why no one said anything... :)


Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 00:20:04 -0700
From: nOISEgIRLY k-j and jOHN (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: DeadCanDance


> His Name is Alive sounds like Cocteau Twins and DCD (and TMC?)?

  well, sure...if you put the latter 3 in a blender and hit 'puree'...


  driftin',
  k-j

  ...ralph fiennes is even closer to perfection than hugh grant...

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 02:34:29 -0500
From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" (jenor@CSD.UWM.EDU)
Subject: Re: the real death of rock and roll


On Mon, 18 Sep 1995, covered in sequins, einexile the meek wrote:

> I know people have been saying rock and roll is dead for almost fifty
> years now, but does anyone else here get the sense that for the first
> time it doesn't really matter whether it's true or not?
>
> *sigh*
>
> Let's see, while I'm depressed, this year we have lost:
>
>  Verve
>  Swervedriver
>  The Cure
>  Catherine Wheel
>

Whaddaya mean, "lost"? I mean, I know Verve has broken up--but what's the
deal w/the other bands as "lost'? Or are you just saying you don't like
their most recent work? Don't know what the hell the Cure are up to if
anything--but I just got _Ejector Seat Reservation_ today, and I like it
quite a bit. The first track threw me off--I thought I'd put on my High
Llamas disc or something--but from there it's not the old Swervedriver,
but an evolving one.

And as for _Happy Days_: resequence it. For some reason, they put the
pseudo-metal songs first, and at least two of them are pretty lame. But
the rest of the disc is pretty good--and is growing on me, after my
initial disappointment. I doubt I'll ever think it's as good as _Ferment_
or _Chrome_--but I give them credit for trying to do something different
from what they'd already done.

--Jeff

Jeffrey Norman                                     "Can you write underwater
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee                    on liquid paper?"
Dept. of English & Comp. Lit.

In my CD changer: Labradford _Prazision LP_
                  Dadamah _This Is Not a Dream_
                  Bark Psychosis _Hex_
                  Swervedriver _Ejector Seat Reservation_
                  Grover _My Wild Life_


Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 00:55:23 PDT
From: chris ayres (Chris=Ayres.JNB01.RX@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance


> His Name is Alive sounds like Cocteau Twins and DCD (and TMC?)?

As long as nobody thinks Frank Black sounds like the Pixies.....................
....






============================================
Chris_Ayres.JNB01@rx.xerox.com

Johannesburg - More a misadventure than a place
=============================================

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 09:03:26 +0100
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: resequence and enjoy


> And as for _Happy Days_: resequence it. For some reason, they put the
> pseudo-metal songs first, and at least two of them are pretty lame. But
> the rest of the disc is pretty good--and is growing on me, after my
> initial disappointment. >
> --Jeff
>
> Jeffrey Norman

I was just wondering if any else has any favourite resequencing of CDs.
I presume most of us have programmable CD players so how about posting
your choices.


'h'y

'H' Cambridge

Stockholm Environment Institute at York
University of York, York, Uk.
Tel +44 1904 432992
Fax +44 1904 432898


Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:00:36 GMT
From: Stefan Tegstrom (Stefan_Tegstrom@online.idg.se)
Subject: Dead Can Dance


I heard a rumour that DCD split up!




--- OffRoad 1.9e unregistered


Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 12:24:02 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: electrafixion

              "DscribeDC@AOL.COM" at Sep 19, 95 07:16:31 am

DscribeDC@AOL.COM wrote:
 >
 > IMHO, Echo and the Bunnymen were one of the almightiest bands to
 > ever pick up guitars.  I saw one really pathetic, dreadful video
 > for Ian's new "band," electrafixion and was appalled by the lack
 > of quality.  It was a song that couldn't have been a bunnymen
 > b-side, even in the petered-out "Lips Like Sugar" era.  And what
 > was that dopey Oasis haircut Ian was sporting at the Melody
 > Maker tent at Reading?    Like boxers, old rockers always
 > stick around for a few too many, eh, listies?

Couldn't agree more.  There was a new Electrafixion single out a couple
of weeks ago, which I bought because it was cheap, but like "Zephyr" I
have hardly listened to it - Mac really seems to have lost all sense of
direction, and although the new band is better than his drippy solo
stuff, it doesn't grab me in the way the Bunnymen did.  Perhaps it's
because of my age, or because of their ages, but there doesn't seem to
be the aura of magic and unpredictability that the Bunnymen had.  Maybe
he should team up with Cope and Wylie again...

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England // nja@le.ac.uk // 20/09/95
On my walkman this morning : Inspiral Carpets - Singles
Retreating, to the breath

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 04:34:07 PDT
From: chris ayres (Chris=Ayres.JNB01.RX@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM)
Subject: Modern English


Modern English - one of the 4AD bands I have never heard (as far as I know). I w
s in one of my local stores the other day, and I saw two 4AD LP's on CD (with ex
ra tracks). There was also another CD, but it didn't look like it was the 4AD la
el.

 What do they sound like?
 Are they worth getting (Paying SA rands = 17,50  or $27,00).
 What else have they done?


===========================================
Chris_Ayres.JNB01@rx.xerox.com

Johannesburg - More a misadventure than a place
 (and to be found on an LP by Love Like Blood)
============================================

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 08:02:44 -0400
From: Hement Gopal (090GOPAL@UWCC.CC.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: Modern English


> Modern English - one of the 4AD bands I have never heard (as far as I know). I
was in one of my local stores the other day, and I saw two 4AD LP's on CD (with 
xtra tracks). There was also another C

> , but it didn't look like it was the 4AD label.
>
>  What do they sound like?
>  Are they worth getting (Paying SA rands = 17,50 u or $27,00).
>  What else have they done?

at R17.50 you'd be crazy NOT to buy 'em.
modern english are one of those bands that started off great and
bummed when sire(?) nabbed them. The first two albums are great..the
debut being the best!!!

to cut a long story short...BUY 'EM!!!

wattso


Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 05:42:37 PDT
From: chris ayres (Chris=Ayres.JNB01.RX@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM)
Subject: Re: Modern English


>at R17.50 you'd be crazy NOT to buy 'em.
>to cut a long story short...BUY 'EM!!!

Sorry, misunderstanding:
The Rand amount is R 89  to  R99. The 17.50 was supposed to be preceded by a pou
ds sign (obviously not showing up) for the benefit of non-SA people to get a com
aritive value. Basically, they are a normal price for CD's in this country as (>
attso) will know. For 17.50 rand I would've had 'em already. Now, next point - a
e they worth buying for full price ??

Chris, who thinks a career in foreign exchange is not the ticket ........
Perhaps for the African Bank?


============================
Chris_Ayres.JNB01.rx.xerox.com
============================


Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 06:51:57 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: the real death of rock and roll


Micah Newman's sig gave me quit a chuckle, thanks for the laugh.
Specifically, the "If there's no God, why are there atheists?"

I would say, If atheists exist are we sure there is there a God?

cheers, euthelene

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 09:39:26 -0400
From: Hement Gopal (090GOPAL@UWCC.CC.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: Modern English


> >at R17.50 you'd be crazy NOT to buy 'em.
> >to cut a long story short...BUY 'EM!!!
>
> Sorry, misunderstanding:
> The Rand amount is R 89  to  R99. The 17.50 was supposed to be preceded by a p
unds sign (obviously not showing up) for the benefit of non-SA people to get a c
mparitive value. Basically, they are a

> normal price for CD's in this country as (>wattso) will know. For 17.50 rand I
would've had 'em already. Now, next point - are they worth buying for full price
??
>
> Chris, who thinks a career in foreign exchange is not the ticket ........
> Perhaps for the African Bank?


damn!!!!! my first post to the list in ....erm...*counting*
almost a year and i go and fuck up!!!! bummer!!!  appologies !!!
at R89 they're not worth it!!!

*smile*
wattso


Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 08:21:09 EDT
From: Ned Norland (nnorland@WALNUT.PRS.K12.NJ.US)
Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins


Well, I've been keeping up on the whole release thing, and I have a couple
comments to add. First, the release will be 28 songs, 14 on each disc.
They've spent the past 6 or 7 months recording furiously for this release,
and unlike Siamese Dream, James and Darcy play instruments on this one.
They've done a whole lot of sampling on it, and Darcy was the only one who
refused to go high tech.

-ned norland
nnorland@walnut.prs.k12.nj.us


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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 09:36:18 +0600
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance


        First Stefan Tegstrom posted:
>Anyone heard any more bands on the 4AD label that sounds like Dead Can Dance /
>This
>Mortal Coil / Cocteau Twins except from His Name Is Alive ?
....
>--- OffRoad 1.9e unregistered

        Then he posted:
>I heard a rumour that DCD split up!
...
>--- OffRoad 1.9e unregistered

        Did someone get ahold of your account and post these things to the
list or are you serious?  If you're serious here are my responses.  1)
Sure, the Lisa Gerard album, Mirror Pool, is a lot like DCD, but it's not
much like Cocteau Twins, This Mortal Coil (except perhaps "wave become
wings", and "dreams made flesh"), or His Name is Alive (not even blended).
And 2)  Everytime a band's members have solo albums there are RUMORS of
breakup.

-cz

___<<<<<<<<<*********ckemnitz@students.wisc.edu********>>>>>>>>>___

"I pass death with the dying, and birth with the new-washed babe. . . . and
am not contained between my hat and boots..."     -Walt Whitman

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:36:52 -0400
From: Jim Jones (jimj@CLARK.NET)
Subject: Re: Who is the list admin???


>Can anyone tell me why Jim Jones has been ignoring my requests to help
>me unsubscribe since before the list site changed?  I'm tired of
>deleting 30+
>messages from my mailbox every day.  I've tried contacting him at
>jimj@clark.net and owner-4ad-l@american.edu.  Am I directing my requests
>to the wrong person or address?

 I'd sent several commands to remove your account from the list already,
 but since you somehow got subscribed as, alexande%ucrengr.ucr.edu@SDSC.EDU
 not even the wildcard tries like,  del 4ad-l alex*@*ucr.edu  found you.
 I don't know why SDSC was smashed onto your address, but that's the source
 of the problem.  It prevented you from unsub'ing yourself via normal
 methods, and made it harder for me to intervene as well. :)

 -jj

 PS - Anyone trying to reach me might do better to try 
 instead to avoid having your mail mixed in with mail delivery errors.

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 08:27:54 EDT
From: Ned Norland (nnorland@WALNUT.PRS.K12.NJ.US)
Subject: Re: catherine wheel


Well, the whole catherine wheel/belly story:
Catherine Wheel had Tanya Donneley do some vocals on a song called Judy
Staring At The Sun. In the original version, Tanya sung the second verse by
herself and Rob and she did the chorus together. Due to the lack of success
of "King", Sire records decided that they didn't want this version of the
song released. So Tanya was taken out of the second verse vocals and left
only in the chorus for the album. As the second single of the album, they
released the original version with Tanya's verse. I am a big fan of Belly,
but she seriously did rape the second verse. The album version sounds
oh-so-much-beter than the single version. Her chorus vocals are great, but
I just can't deal with the verse.

btw-the video is pretty bad too....

-ned norland
nnorland@walnut.prs.k12.nj.us


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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 11:22:38 EDT
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: Re: Modern English

              <090GOPAL@uwcc.cc.wits.ac.za>

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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 11:13:50 -0400
From: Scott Schaefer/ES/COMPUSERVE
Subject: RE : How to Unsubscribe


Hello,

I'm sorry to post this to the list, but who are the list owners, and how do I
get a hold of them?

I have sent several SIGNOFF requests to the LISTSERV with absolutely no
response.  Of course, requests for HELP and INFO sent to the LISTSERV does get
back to me.

Thanks for letting me know.

Scott


Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 17:42:17 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Me.Me.Me. promo poster wanted


Is there anyone who can get me a mint copy of a 4AD promo poster for
'Me.Me.Me.' for a fair repay of course.

Frank
++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 17:42:37 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: FTWW CD labels


I'm still waiting for an explanation or theory about those 2 different
labels for the 'Facing The Wrong Way' sampler CD.

There MUST be someone out there who knows why 4AD did 2 different labels!

Frank
++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 16:42:58 +0100
From: p.r.green@IC.AC.UK
Subject: DCD split


On the DCD Home Page (http://www.nets.com/dcd.html) it says that DCD were on
the verge of a split as 4AD told Brendan Perry they did not like his solo
recording all that much.  The story appeared in the French music magazine' Magic
.

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 09:37:30 PDT
From: Ara Kermanikian (araker@MICROSOFT.COM)
Subject: Colourbox Vocalist


Just heard a song that sounds like ( or maybe is by ... ) the female
vocalist of colorbox. Has a reggea-ish tinge to it...

I have heard it quite a few times channel surfing, but never got to
see/get the name.
Anyone know who it might be or what the name of the song is?

"... there's nothing more frustrating than an itch you can't scratch ..."

<< ARA >>

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 09:13:53 -0700
From: Ivo Lorelei -{Gothique Extraordinaire}- (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance


On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, Stefan Tegstrom wrote:

> I heard a rumour that DCD split up!
>
>

Well, if this rumour is true, then I do believe a certain boy in Arizona
owes me a Presages.  B-)

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 17:21:46 -0700
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Twinlights film and FTWW


Just a little teaser for you all:

In this week's NME there's a page long interview with the Cocteaus and it
mentions in passing a nine-minute film they've made to go with the new
Twinlights ep. Sounds interesting. Me, i just hope it looks like the
Fruitopia adverts...

Yeah, and will we get to see 'To Kill A Dead Man' now that Portishead
have won the Mercury Prize?

Also, don't pay through the nose for FTWW cds. For the prices people have
been asking you could send off for something from 4AD mail-order and get
one for free with any lp. Or just ask one of us English people to get one
for you. $25 is a lot of money for something that is free.

andyx
(a.dean@uk22p.bull.co.uk)
hey, did you notice? uppercase letters and real sentences (almost) and
all!


Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:12:21 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: resequence and enjoy


> I was just wondering if any else has any favourite resequencing of CDs.
> I presume most of us have programmable CD players so how about posting
> your choices.

For what it's worth, I always play 'side 2' of Extractions by
Dif Juz first (starting with "Love Insane", not "Crosswinds").

Also I almost never play "Back Door" on Medusa. "After The Call"
is a much better way to end the album.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 11:00:19 -0700
From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@LYNX.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: a cure question


Back in April I was listening to the alternative station in Salt Lake and
they played this very cool Cure song that was called "To The Sky" that I
had never heard before. It sounds like something from the
Disentegration/Wish era and I assume it's a B-side but have never seen
it. Anybody know anything about it? Please email me personally.

Thanks,

matthew


Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:23:02 -0700
From: Brant Dewdrops (nelson@EGGNEB.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Modern English


> Modern English - one of the 4AD bands I have never heard (as far as I know).
>  What do they sound like?

The three 4AD albums:

Mesh And Lace: gloomy post-punk rock. harbingers of doom.

After The Snow: MUCH lighter and TONS more melodic, with still
somewhat of a kick. Features the MEGA-hit-80's-anthem
"I Melt With You". 4AD's biggest selling album of all time

Ricochet Days: The boys become a really decent pop band. Lighter
and more pop than the previous album.

The UltraCrap post-4AD albums:

Stop Start: Sounds like someone threw a ton of money at the band
and they didn't know what to do with it. Way overproduced, loud,
obnoxious, anthemic.

Pillow Lips: A good deal better than Stop Start, but rather bland and
uninspired.

>  Are they worth getting (Paying SA rands = 17,50 # or $27,00).

After the Snow is the one to go for. Then Ricochet Days.
Buy them from someone in America for a lot less.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:43:34 -0700
From: Brant Nelson Dewdrops Fanzine (nelson@POLARIS.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: AVAM posters offerred


I just found out I have a few extra posters from
All Virgos Are Mad (last year's 4AD festival in LA). These
are the tall variety, listing all the shows, with the misty
woman face and the mess of lines stitched over it (ie. like
the CD); not the Vaughan Oliver "meat" poster. I have 5
of them, and since they were eventually given away free
at the shows, I'm not going to ask for any payment beyond
covering postage and the cost of a mailing tube, which will total less
than $5, most likely. If you want to offer something in trade,
I'll consider that as well.

Please respond to ME at THIS ADDRESS ONLY (conveniently
located in the mail header), and use this address ONLY
for poster requests. Requests sent to my usual eggneb
address will be ignored!

nelson@polaris.astro.ucla.edu

Brant

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 11:15:42 -0700
From: Julian Stewart (camus@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: RHP


Just a quick note--

Just found out that RHP are doing a _3 hour_ set tonight at the
Cactus Club in San Jose.

Hopefully I can get in...hope to see some of you there. I'll be
the one in the grey cardigan with the tired-looking expression on
his face :)

-julian-

in absentia

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:12:36 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: the real death of rock and roll


> Micah Newman's sig gave me quit a chuckle, thanks for the laugh.
> Specifically, the "If there's no God, why are there atheists?"
> I would say, If atheists exist are we sure there is there a God?

        Here's the line of thought it's supposed to begin-- It probably only
makes sense to me, but I'll try to put it in words. Okay, suppose
there's no God...now we have all these people calling themselves atheists
who have to actually say that they do not believe in the ultimate source
of existence...if God really did not exist, it would make a lot more
sense for there not to be this idea in the first place which certain
people have to go out of their way to refute...not just any idea, the
ultimate one.
        Make sense? No? Oh well...

= "Wake up, see    \ If there's no God, why      + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists?         + dread the due changes   =
= done is done..." \  -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..."               =
=  -Ride: "Today"  /   Ontological Proof         +  -Red House Painters    =


Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:26:20 EDT
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: a cure question

              

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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 13:51:59 -0500
From: Terry Collins (ispy@OAK.NCC.UMN.EDU)
Subject: Re: Colourbox Vocalist

              Kermanikian" at Sep 20, 95 09:37:30 am

>
> Just heard a song that sounds like ( or maybe is by ... ) the female
> vocalist of colorbox. Has a reggea-ish tinge to it...
>
> I have heard it quite a few times channel surfing, but never got to
> see/get the name.
> Anyone know who it might be or what the name of the song is?
>
Sheesh, can you give some lyrics at least?

Lorita Graham was the female vocalist of Colourbox (and she also did
some stuff with Baby Ford).  Perhaps what you heard was Jamaican singer
Dawn Penn, she did a sort of a cover of Colourbox's "Baby I Love You So"
entitled "Night and Day" which has sort of a reggae-ish sound to it.

  --iSpy--

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 13:33:26 -0500
From: eric (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: why i quit the lush list and perfect teeth


>
>You wrote:
>
>>>
>>Shite.. Fuk.. hell und devil! i've been looking forward to the new EP
>for
>>a few months now.. boohoo.. i don't wanna live anymore! ..
>>
>>cyril
>>
To anyone considering joining the lush list, don't.  It's the worst mailing
list I've ever seen.  You get about 2 messages a day and they all look like
the above.  Oh, that's in response to the announcement that the ep won't be
released, and yes, it was posted by the listowner, sigh.  Don't even ask me
how to subscribe, b/c I'll make you sign a release form before I tell you.

Oh, and on a happier note, if anyone out there is looking for an Unrest
"Perfect Teeth" promo cd (the one with the orange sticker that says:  "for
earth people only 12 cents off"), I'll be happy to part with mine.  I'll
even trade it for a regular perfect teeth just b/c I want the insert.
You'd pay postage of course, right?

bye,

eric

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:10:36 EWT
From: soul whirling somewhere (BGMUTZA@CLUSTER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: xmal deutschland help


i recently picked up xmal deutschland's _tocsin_, which i thoroughly enjoy.  i
was wondering if the material on this cd is fairly indicative of the kind of
stuff on their other releases and how this one stacks up against them.

many thanks...

brian

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:55:17 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: autechre tri repetae please

              

what is amber what is garbage?


Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 14:06:54 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Colourbox Vocalist


> Just heard a song that sounds like ( or maybe is by ... ) the female
> vocalist of colorbox. Has a reggea-ish tinge to it...
>
> I have heard it quite a few times channel surfing, but never got to
> see/get the name. Anyone know who it might be or what the name of the
> song is?

Dawn Penn.

Sadly that's the only song she has that is decent.  I too, mourn the loss of
Lorita Grahme's singing. :(  Any chance of her returning with ColourboxII?  ..or
whatever the hell they plan on calling themselves...


marvynHortman

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 16:01:39 -0400
From: "(Zach Martinchek)" (X95MARTINCHE@WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins

              <1995Sep20.082109.559482@walnut.prs.k12.nj.us>

if anyone has smashing pumpkins connections or rarities or tickets let me
know

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:48:02 -0600
From: anricat (mazonas@UCSUB.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: xmal deutschland help


On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, soul whirling somewhere wrote:

> i recently picked up xmal deutschland's _tocsin_, which i thoroughly enjoy.  i
> was wondering if the material on this cd is fairly indicative of the kind of
> stuff on their other releases and how this one stacks up against them.
>
> many thanks...
>
> brian


Where in hell did you get this?  Is it not out of print?  I have been
trying to locate a copy forever.  All I have is a bad tape of Tocsin that
someone made for me.  I have heard of only 3 other albums besides Tocsin,
but the only two I have ever seen or heard are Tocsin and Fetish.  Fetish
is pretty good too, although I think Tocsin is better.
Anri

       | ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    ------- Anri                                        net.goth
     \ | /  "Hands up! Who wants to die?"
      \|/   mreeeeeeow....           mazonas@ucsub.colorado.edu
      /|\   go ahead, lick my boots.
     / | \  "when you grovel at my feet, keep it short and sweet"
         ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:19:41 -0400
From: DISORDER OF ARCADIANS (SG12200@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU)
Subject: m7x


i hope that too many people deleted this message as soon as they saw
the message line, myself being a huge area, m7x and lanterna fan
but the great henry frane of all of the above
is visiting and could be available to answer some questions
about the third m7x album coming out on roadrunner
(soon hopefully! or at least in 6 months)
so if there is anything you ever wondered you can e-mail me before friday
and i can see what can be done

gebeaux

someone mentioned banco de gaiea or however
i suck at spelling from memory (look above)
but they are great
trains, tribal alive, very cool
highly recommended

smirks and knockers


Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 14:59:37 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins


        Turns out there's more of a market for Smashing Pumpkins on this
list than was previously thought, eh? I'm kinda glad I started this
thread...
        And while I'm at it, Billy does come across as quite brittle on
_Siamese Dream_, but the events which led up to its recording would lead
one to expect a kind of desperate plea for humanity from Mr. Corgan. It's
still an excellent album, bleating aside. "Soma" and "Silverfuck" are
some of the most amazing things ever recorded.

= "Wake up, see    \ If there's no God, why      + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists?         + dread the due changes   =
= done is done..." \  -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..."               =
=  -Ride: "Today"  /   Ontological Proof         +  -Red House Painters    =

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 16:22:45 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins


Go to cdnow.com on the telnet thing, they have some stuff there.



Brian

Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 01:36:35 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: xmal deutschland help


>Where in hell did you get this?  Is it not out of print?  I have been
>trying to locate a copy forever.  All I have is a bad tape of Tocsin that
>someone made for me.  I have heard of only 3 other albums besides Tocsin

So X Mal Deutschland = 4 MAL Deutschland. Which is more than enough!

Frank

P.S. No Third Reich jokes please!
++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++


Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 20:45:16 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: Is it Me or The System?



Not that I should always be the center of attention or anything like
that....but, I sent a Throwing Muses review and another message to the list
on 9/13, and I was surprised that no one responded to either one.

Were they just mortifyingly dull, or was there some delivery problem with the
server?

Be brutal, I can take it.

Dave G.

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 17:21:30 -0700
From: Brant Nelson Dewdrops Fanzine (nelson@POLARIS.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: the posters are claimed


I knew I should have grabbed more posters!

They've all been claimed, and within a day you'll
hear from me if you got one. If you don't hear
from me, you weren't one of the first 5.

That concludes the use of this e-mail address for now.
Please send no more messages here; send them only to
my usual address nelson@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu.

Cheers,
Brant

Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 02:32:02 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: AVAM posters offerred


>I just found out I have a few extra posters from
>All Virgos Are Mad (last year's 4AD festival in LA).

YES! I would like to have one (if you still got one left).

Please mail me your post address so I can send you the $5. I'm living in
the Netherlands so if you need more $ to send it let me know.



Emiel Efdee

------------------------------------
-      rotterdam, the netherlands
-      efdee@luna.nl
-      http://www.luna.nl/~efdee/
------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 20:41:08 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Current 4AD release schedule


Current 4AD release schedule

9-10    SCHEER 'Schism' 12"/CD - UK
9-10    THE AMPS 'Tipp City' 12"/CD - UK
16-1    MOJAVE (3) 'Ask Me Tomorrow' LP/CD - US
16-1    HEIDI BERRY untitled new LP - US
30-10  THE AMPS 'Empty Glasses' - US
?-10    THE AMPS 'PACER' LP
9-10    AIR MIAMI 'Fuck You Tiger' 12"/CD - UK (check with TEENBEAT for
availability at possibly far less than the import price... and postage
payed!!!)
22-2     HOPE HULL 'Life In Beautiful Hope Hull' 10" -  German

Hull

Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 02:55:31 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: v23 Ltd...


Does someone have any information about the v23 Rimy River Limited Edition,
the last thing I heard that it would be published this month...



Emiel Efdee

------------------------------------
-      rotterdam, the netherlands
-      efdee@luna.nl
-      http://www.luna.nl/~efdee/
------------------------------------


BTW Ignore those two last replies I've send. I'm using this new e-mail
program and I pressed the button too soon...  won't happen again.


Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 02:41:18 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: a cure question


>Back in April I was listening to the alternative station in Salt Lake and
>they played this very cool Cure song that was called "To The Sky" that I
>had never heard before. It sounds like something from the
>Disentegration/Wish era and I assume it's a B-side but have never seen
>it. Anybody know anything about it? Please email me personally.
>
>Thanks,
>
>matthew


Sorry don't know the answer but is someone does... can you mail me the info?

Thanks

Isn't it one of those songs on the picture soundtracks (Crow, Judge Dredd)



Emiel Efdee

------------------------------------
-      rotterdam, the netherlands
-      efdee@luna.nl
-      http://www.luna.nl/~efdee/
------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 18:24:03 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: a cure question


>it. Anybody know anything about it? Please email me personally.
>
yeah, it was an unreleased track from the kiss me kiss me kiss me
sessions that never made in on to anything, not even a single. a friend
of mine has it! damn good. but it is impossible to find! hope i have
helpped you.


                        -robert.

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 17:22:44 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: 4AD-L FAQ


Thanks to Lawren for being civic-minded and posting a FAQ, but (a) it's
kind of out of date, as a few people have noticed by posting corrections
that I already made months ago, and (b) the current FAQ is available on the
Web at


It has a lot of new and updated information, including slews of thislisty
Web pages. Plus it's not in a boring monospaced font with hard line breaks.
(HTML is your friend!) Layout-wise it's not too exciting, no fancy
graphics. It does make use of tables in some of the discography sections,
so those sections will look like shit unless you have a table-capable
browser. I recommend Netscape 1.1.

If you're interested in my general home pages -- and those of my wife and
our adorable two-month old son -- jump back up to


Now that all the major online services have Web browsers (even though AOL's
in particular sucks bigtime) and direct Internet access is readily
available and cheap in most areas (I pay $17.50/month) I think a Web-based
FAQ is definitely the way to go. For instance, I've probably updated the
FAQ a dozen times since the initial conversion in June, without having to
spam the list every time.

However, there are still some folks out there who don't have Web access.
When I initially advertised the new FAQ on the list I asked people who
wanted to read the FAQ but didn't have Web access to e-mail me. No one did.
I assume that means we are all up to date technologically, so I'm not
worrying. Somewhere there must be a decent HTML-to-plain-text converter
that I could use to produce an emailable version, but I haven't seen one.

Check it out. As always, I invite your bug reports, suggestions and
contributions of new questions-and-answers. I'll get things started with a
question that's been bugging me and which I can't answer:

earlier releases but switched to "Laetitia" in 1993? Is the former a weird
Frrrrench nickname for the latter?

__________
Jens Alfke|__________________     "In this story we sit down on Luna Bridge
           jens@mooseyard.com|     And catch snow in our cupped hands
 __________________________        And music is coming from the houses
 http://www.inow.com/~jens/        Or it sings inside me. I begin to mend."
                                                             --Karen Peris

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 18:13:22 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: fax / music to sleep 2


>
>Other -sleep to- music would have to be Victorialand, as well as
Pygmalion,
>and others but the lack of sleep lately is rendering other recordings
to
>escape my head.
>

the cds. i like to fall asleep to, are Pygmalion (hell, i don't even
make it to 'crazy for you'), the RACHEL'S- handwriting cd, and my
apollo ambient comp.... biosphere and global comm. back to back,
perfect.


                            -robert.

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 17:40:37 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Dust Devils [Re: Whoops!]


At 3:33 AM 9/15/95, Richard Clemens wrote:
>> I should warm up to them.  Who are Dust Devils and Kilgore Trout?
>All three bands seem to be fairly close arising from some grim South
>Yorkshire city. I saw the Dust Devils supporting the Swans, as I did
>AC Temple for the first time on the Swans' previous tour. I only ever
>found one twelve inch "The Dropping Well" Rouska (?) 1987. I haven't
>really looked for a few years.

Coincidentally, just a few weeks ago I dug up my Dust Devils records and
played them loud and they still rule. The things I have are:

The Dripping Well 12" ('86)                 *
Rhenyard's Grin LP ('87)                    ***
Gutter Light EP ('88)                       ****
Struggling Electrical and Chemical LP ('90) ****

[First three on Rouska, latter on Matador/Teen Beat. As far as I can tell
only the last album was ever released on CD.]

The Dust Devils were strongly reminiscent of Sonic Youth circa EVOL, a bit
more straightforward on the tunings but more complex rhythmically. (The
term "math-rock" can be fairly applied to some of their stuff, a la
Pitchblende and the like.) They had a female singer who was a lot more
capable than Kim Gordon. The songs are generally based on odd guitar riffs,
and mutate in unexpected ways without breaking down into pure noise. If you
dislike the directions Sonic Youth veered into after EVOL and Sister --
stupid riffs, banal pop-culture parody -- I can highly recommend any Dust
Devils output (other than "The Dripping Well", which is pretty weak.) In
the same way that the Lilys' "In the Presence of Nothing" can be fairly and
non-pejoratively called the great missing My Bloody Valentine album, the
better Dustdevils stuff is really a worthy follow-up to Sonic Youth's
"Expressway To Yr Skull"".

The earlier releases are vinyl-only and hard to find (had to go
mail-order). "Struggling Electrical and Chemical" was easily available at
the time of its release and should still be in print as far as I know. Fall
fans should take note that it contains a really excellent nine-minute
version of "Hip Priest".

__________
Jens Alfke|__________________     "In this story we sit down on Luna Bridge
           jens@mooseyard.com|     And catch snow in our cupped hands
 __________________________        And music is coming from the houses
 http://www.inow.com/~jens/        Or it sings inside me. I begin to mend."
                                                             --Karen Peris

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 18:50:03 -0700
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: DeadCanDance


> Anyone heard any more bands on the 4AD label that sounds like Dead Can Dance /
> This Mortal Coil / Cocteau Twins except from His Name Is Alive ?

Eden's first cd sounds a bit like dcd.  they're now on projekt.  whenever
i hear the dcd line (can't remember which song right now)that says "I have a
son, his name is eden" i wonder if maybe that's where eden got it's
name.  Anyone else like to comment on this group?  I think they're pretty
good but kind of boring.

aaron

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 20:28:47 -0500
From: kylexene@TEZCAT.COM
Subject: Re: xmal deutschland help


>>Where in hell did you get this?  Is it not out of print?  I have been
>>trying to locate a copy forever.  All I have is a bad tape of Tocsin that
>>someone made for me.  I have heard of only 3 other albums besides Tocsin
>

>
>Frank
>
>P.S. No Third Reich jokes please!
>++++++++++++
>brink2@xs4all.nl
>++++++++++++



>So X Mal Deutschland = 4 MAL Deutschland. Which is more than enough!

Actually,according to what I remember from my German(I haven't used it in
about two years)the word xmal means "times"or "to multiply".So.in
essence,Xmal Deutschland translated in the true German would be
"Deutschland Deutschland".(Don't quote me on this,gang.)If nothing else,the
name wouldn't have been out of place at that time:Rema Rema,Duran
Duran,Mr.Mister...

hope this helps,cats....


spyder


stylised deformity..don't look back,you were dead from the
beginning-Godflesh

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 18:37:21 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: xmal deutschland help


>Where in hell did you get this?  Is it not out of print?  I have been
>trying to locate a copy forever.  All I have is a bad tape of Tocsin that
>someone made for me.  I have heard of only 3 other albums besides Tocsin,
>but the only two I have ever seen or heard are Tocsin and Fetish.  Fetish
>is pretty good too, although I think Tocsin is better.

Actually, I just got Tocsin a few weeks ago from the Virgin Megastore.  You
may want to inquire about special ordering it.  And I would say it is better
than Fetish.

BTW, what are the others you've heard of?  You don't mean Qual and Inncubus
Succubus II, do you?  Those are included on Fetish and Tocsin, respectively.
I've also seen a single or two on some other label, but I can't remember
what they were called.

Jake

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 22:30:24 -0400
From: NWND@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Subject: to the sky, the cure


the cure song to the sky, a kiss me outtake, is available only on a purportedly
rare fiction records compilation, of which the name escapes me...i have however
seen this comp...its the only cure song on the album...but is well worth the
price...

hope that helps...


bryan


Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 19:52:11 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: DeadCanDance


>Eden's first cd sounds a bit like dcd.  they're now on projekt.  whenever
>i hear the dcd line (can't remember which song right now)that says "I have a
>son, his name is eden" i wonder if maybe that's where eden got it's
>name.

Actually, there have been a few bands around that have done this before.
Like Shakespear's Sister from The Smiths' "Shakespeare's Sister", and I
_think_ Chatherine Wheel from a Simple Minds song (although the name for
both may have come from some other source originally).  Just wondering if
anyone else knew any other interesting ones...

Jake

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 18:39:15 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@INOW.COM)
Subject: Re: the real death of rock and roll


Some philosophical refutations. ObThislisty content at the end...

At 10:12 AM 9/20/95, Micah Newman wrote:
>        Here's the line of thought it's supposed to begin-- It probably only
>makes sense to me, but I'll try to put it in words. Okay, suppose
>there's no God...now we have all these people calling themselves atheists
>who have to actually say that they do not believe in the ultimate source
>of existence...if God really did not exist, it would make a lot more
>sense for there not to be this idea in the first place which certain
>people have to go out of their way to refute...not just any idea, the
>ultimate one.
>        Make sense? No? Oh well...

Makes no sense. The existence/nonexistence of any entity has nothing to do
with the existence/nonexistence of ideas related to that entity. Otherwise
we could "prove" that Smurfs exist by noting that the idea of Smurfs
exists.

This is the same mistake that Anselm himself made in his "proof" of the
existence of God. (Anselm was a 12th(?) century saint; his argument runs
something like: we have the idea of God as the perfect being. A being that
exists is more perfect than one that doesn't, so because God is so utterly
perfect He must exist. That anyone took this seriously still amazes me, but
then most pre-Enlightenment philosophy is riddled with similar circular
reasoning.)

Whether or not God exists is not up for logical debate; this is fallout
from the house-cleaning David Hume gave philosophy in the 1700s. If you
want to believe, go ahead, but there are no proofs or other rational
arguments either way. Myself, I swore off believing in things on faith
alone after I got the bad news about Santa Claus.

history of Western philosophy wrapped in a Philip-Dick-like novel, aimed at
bright teenagers and above. Just finished it last night.]

Blackcore", the comp with Scorn and Seefeel. The Scorn track is nice,
rather more ambient than their LPs. The three Seefeel tracks are variations
on a theme and I found them actively annoying; little clinky samples looped
together with no noticeable bass or vocals.

__________
Jens Alfke|__________________     "In this story we sit down on Luna Bridge
           jens@mooseyard.com|     And catch snow in our cupped hands
 __________________________        And music is coming from the houses
 http://www.inow.com/~jens/        Or it sings inside me. I begin to mend."
                                                             --Karen Peris


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