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Subject: Smashing Pumpkins
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 21:50:30 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: volume 14, ftww, stereolab
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 23:17:07 GMT
From: Ian McCausland (Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: the real death of rock and roll
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 23:47:44 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Volume 14 / the MIGHTY IAN McCULLOCH
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:11:32 +0100
From: Graham Anderson (g.anderson@RPMS.AC.UK)
Subject: Sale/Trade:Love Spirals,Loveslies,TelBasta,Elysium,Slowdive,Pram
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 15:49:17 +0930
From: Grant Schwarz (gks@manta.dsto.gov.au)
Subject: electrafixion
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:59:50 -0700
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Volumes / Marco
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 02:59:19 PDT
From: chris ayres (Chris=Ayres.JNB01.RX@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM)
Subject: Facing the Wrong Way
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 06:26:56 -0500
From: Intergalactic Garage (igg@INTREPID.NET)
Subject: Re: electrafixion
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 07:16:31 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:15:05 -0500
From: ramig@MURROW.JOURNALISM.WISC.EDU
Subject: Anka Wolbert
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 13:30:04 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Facing the Wrong Way
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:22:22 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Stina and Black Rose
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:01:58 CDT
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@ANDROS.CIM.CDC.COM)
Subject: Cathrene Wheel (sorry in advance)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:09:28 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Autechre/Clear/BDP
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:29:42 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Stina and Black Rose
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:34:20 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Caroline Lavelle & Brian Eno
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:22:09 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Cathrene Wheel (sorry in advance)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:29:51 +0200
From: Christophe Demunter (Christophe.Demunter@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: Minneapolis, Lisa Gerrard
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 11:47:57 -0500
From: Terry Collins (ispy@OAK.NCC.UMN.EDU)
Subject: black rose
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 11:04:29 -0600
From: ".bigloveeyes." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cathrene Wheel (sorry in advance)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:10:59 +0100
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: DeadCanDance
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 19:07:57 GMT
From: Stefan Tegstrom (Stefan_Tegstrom@online.idg.se)
Subject: Re: Stina and Black Rose
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 13:55:42 -0500
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: DeadCanDance
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 15:53:19 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: so, where in the world is the buzz over twinlights anyways?
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:03:15 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Autechre/Clear/BDP
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:55:32 -0500
From: Sung Shim (zagnut@INTERACCESS.COM)
Subject: Re: the real death of rock and roll
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:06:58 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cathrene Wheel (sorry in advance)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:54:15 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: NEW info (really)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 06:42:26 GMT
From: bulldoze@blarg.net (Andrew Dunn)
Subject: Newsgroup thingy
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 19:23:14 EST
From: dboughey@MGDESTMX01.ERIN.GOV.AU
Subject: Re: black rose
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:08:50 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Caroline Lavelle & Brian Eno
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:23:07 -0700
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: no habla his name is alive
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:33:20 -0700
From: kelli-jeanne and jOHN (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: fax / music to sleep 2
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 20:46:28 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: DeadCanDance
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 20:25:24 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)

Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 21:50:30 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Smashing Pumpkins


        Yeah, you read right! I don't believe this band has ever been
mentioned once on either of these lists, but I just heard from someone that
their new album _Mellon Collie and Infinite Sadness_, to be released
10/24, was produced by Alan Moulder and Flood!! We of course know what
this means...a shoegazer smashing pumpkins album! Yessindeedee. I, for
one, am excited. I heard from that someone (who had never heard the term
'shoegazer', that the guitar sound was increasingly fuzzy, like how that of
Siamese Dream was extremely overdubbed, overdriven, and layered, but even
more (well, maybe not even more overdubbed. 20-40 guitar tracks per song has
to be the outer limit!). I, incidentally, like the band a lot no matter how
{insert dreampoppy adjective} they are, but this I'll definitely have to
hear. All 25 songs of it...
        sugaredglowing,

        Micah

= "Wake up, see    \ If there's no God, why      + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists?         + dread the due changes   =
= done is done..." \  -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..."               =
=  -Ride: "Today"  /   Ontological Proof         +  -Red House Painters    =


Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 23:17:07 GMT
From: Ian McCausland (Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: Re: volume 14, ftww, stereolab


electrafixion used to be echo and the bunnymen. shessh I am getting old
Ian 28 and counting


Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 23:47:44 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: the real death of rock and roll


I know people have been saying rock and roll is dead for almost fifty
years now, but does anyone else here get the sense that for the first
time it doesn't really matter whether it's true or not?

On Mon, 18 Sep 1995, Ian McCausland wrote:

> electrafixion used to be echo and the bunnymen. shessh I am getting old
> Ian 28 and counting

Wel, hang in there. So is Ian McCulloch, and you would appear from the
strength of this post alone to be a better songwriter. ;) Electrafixion
didn't really used to be Echo and the Bunnymen. Les Pattinson (bass) is
missing. (Did I spell his name wrong?) They also have turned into a
relatively good heavy metal band...but still a heavy metal band of sorts,
or at least Hard Rock. last year's Zephyr ep was mopstly pretty
impressive, but the new track sucks. I recommend the first four Echo and
the Bunnymen albums: Crocodiles, Heaven Up Here, Porcupine, and Ocean
Rain, for anyone wanting some super good rock and roll in this dark day.
That stuff is so much better than Electrafixion I just had to say
something about the comparison.

*sigh*

Let's see, while I'm depressed, this year we have lost:

 Verve
 Swervedriver
 The Cure
 Catherine Wheel

We've still got:

 Peter Murphy
 The The
 Throwing Muses
 Soundgarden

It's looking pretty grim, though, folks. :(


 einexile, who to forget loses himself in fax, autechre, and current 93

Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:11:32 +0100
From: Graham Anderson (g.anderson@RPMS.AC.UK)
Subject: Volume 14 / the MIGHTY IAN McCULLOCH


>cardigans, prolapse, drugstore, electrafixion (have you heard of them?),

Electafixation are the latest incarnation of his most supreme scouseness

Thank you m'aam - just doin' my job......


                    - graham the radioactive laboratory monkey -

Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 15:49:17 +0930
From: Grant Schwarz (gks@manta.dsto.gov.au)
Subject: Sale/Trade:Love Spirals,Loveslies,TelBasta,Elysium,Slowdive,Pram


The following cd's are for preferrably trade or sale.  I'll even
throw in a live mixed Throwing Muses concert from 1988. Preference
to bundled deals in Australia, but don't let that deter you.

Replies to: gks@mod.dsto.gov.au

Love Spirals Downwards - Idylls
lovesliescrushing - bloweyelashwish
Tel Basta - Debut
Tel Basta - Laid Up In Lavendar
Elysium - Debut
Slowdive - Pygmallian
Pram - 1995 new album promo


Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:59:50 -0700
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: electrafixion


> volume 14, ftww, stereolab
>
> Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
> Mon, 18 Sep 1995 11:02:42 -0700

i wrote:
> electrafixion (have you heard of them?)

yeah, it's ian and will (with bad hair) from the bunnymen, first band i
ever saw live, second band i ever saw live too, thirteen months apart and
in gloucester leisure centre both times. thanks to everybody who replied
but you all completely missed the joke, my fault though for being so
parochial. there's this advert on radio 1 here in england which extols
the stations virtues when it comes to breaking new bands and the smarmy
girl who mentions electrafixion adds 'have you heard of them?' in a smug,
elitist way when it sounds as if she wasn't even born when crocodiles was
released, sigh. the same advert (or a similar one, there are hundreds)
contains the phrase 'pulp, blur, all the new bands', youths eh?

cheers, andyx (a.dean@uk22p.bull.co.uk)
with sellotape and knives...


Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 02:59:19 PDT
From: chris ayres (Chris=Ayres.JNB01.RX@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM)
Subject: Re: Volumes / Marco


Yo Listys,

Please inform an out of touch type (never seen one in SA, and probably never wil
)about these so-called "Volume" LP's. A mate of mine here informs me they are an
ual compilations released in the UK, and earlier volumes are quite rare. This is
the extent of my knowledge on them. Sad, what? If anybody has any details they'd
like to share with me (I did see vol 14's track listing mentioned on the list - 
ouble LP I think), I would much appreciate. Are they Vinyl, Cd, All Doubles? etc
 Anyway, not to clutter up the list, please E-mail direct to moi.

Yes, Marco from Rema Rema joined Adam-baby to form the Ants.

===========================================================

Chris_Ayres.JNB01@rx.xerox.com           (Johannesburg - South Africa)

Wheel in the posers
Wolfgang Ant  etc. etc. etc.
=============================================================

Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 06:26:56 -0500
From: Intergalactic Garage (igg@INTREPID.NET)
Subject: Facing the Wrong Way


Howdy!
Just wanted to let you know that we have a few copies of FACING the WRONG
WAY (UK) availaable for $24.95. I think this is going for over $30 in some
coastal shops. Soon to be gone, eh?

Sorry for this intrusion,

-Allan

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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 07:16:31 -0400
From: DscribeDC@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: electrafixion


IMHO, Echo and the Bunnymen were one of the almightiest bands to ever pick up
guitars.  I saw one really pathetic, dreadful video for Ian's new "band,"
electrafixion and was appalled by the lack of quality.  It was a song that
couldn't have been a bunnymen b-side, even in the petered-out "Lips Like
Sugar" era.  And what was that dopey Oasis haircut Ian was sporting at the
Melody Maker tent at Reading?    Like boxers, old rockers always stick
around for a few too many, eh, listies?

Dave G.


Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:15:05 -0500
From: ramig@MURROW.JOURNALISM.WISC.EDU
Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins


On Mon, 18 Sep 1995, Micah Newman wrote:

>       Yeah, you read right! I don't believe this band has ever been
> mentioned once on either of these lists, but I just heard from someone that
> their new album _Mellon Collie and Infinite Sadness_, to be released
> 10/24, was produced by Alan Moulder and Flood!! We of course know what
> this means...a shoegazer smashing pumpkins album! Yessindeedee. I, for
> one, am excited. I heard from that someone (who had never heard the term
> 'shoegazer', that the guitar sound was increasingly fuzzy, like how that of
> Siamese Dream was extremely overdubbed, overdriven, and layered, but even
> more (well, maybe not even more overdubbed. 20-40 guitar tracks per song has
> to be the outer limit!). I, incidentally, like the band a lot no matter how
> {insert dreampoppy adjective} they are, but this I'll definitely have to
> hear. All 25 songs of it...
>       sugaredglowing,
>
>       Micah
>

I had a friend who managed to get backstage at a pumpkins show and the
mere mention of MBV to Billy Corgan sent him off in a glorious chatter
about how they are buddies with Kevin Shields et al and stay with them
when they're in the UK.  I guess the pumpkins really dig them and Billy
even admitted to incorporating a more MBV sound on Siamese Dream.

I, for one, am so excited for 10/24 that I may explode before then.

RjR

Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 13:30:04 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Anka Wolbert

              <199508171252.AA19046@internet-mail.ford.com>

About a month ago I posted some ramblings about what Anka Wolbert was up
to.  A few people asked me to post if I learnt any more.  Well, I saw my
old badminton buddy, who's been working (maybe too strong a word!) with
Anka recently, again last Thursday.  He said...

Ivo (of 4AD) seems to really want Anka to do some stuff on the 4AD label.
Apparently he was trying to get Anka to work with some well known bloke
(unfortunately my pal couldn't remember who!!) on a collaboration but, also
apparently, nobody tells Anka what to do!  She's unavailable at the moment
(holiday?) but my friend seems to think that something will emerge from her
in the coming months, very likely on 4AD.  It's just a question of whether
it's solo or a collaboration.

Sorry it's so vague.  In fact, it's all third-hand so I'd take it with a
pinch of salt too, if I were you!

Simon Hughes

P.S.  Someone asked me why Anka left Xymox.  I don't really know, but the
impression I get is that she just got bored.  The only thing I remember my
pal saying was that it was a shame cos. she, rather than Ronny, had all the
best new songs!


Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:22:22 -0400
From: Another Reason to Cut Off an Ear (ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Re: Facing the Wrong Way


>>Howdy!
Just wanted to let you know that we have a few copies of FACING the WRONG
WAY (UK) availaable for $24.95. I think this is going for over $30 in some
coastal shops. Soon to be gone, eh?<<

$24.95?! I got my copy for $8.95 at Mystery Train Records in Boston...

(Just bragging...)

Mike
iceblink@delphi.com


Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:01:58 CDT
From: "Kent J. Vanderwaal" (kjv@ANDROS.CIM.CDC.COM)
Subject: Re: Stina and Black Rose

              Sep 18, 95 9:50 pm

>         1)  then we get that nifty "alt" at the beginning just in case we
> weren't feeling alternative enough.
>         2) we could introduce a whole bunch of newbies to Stina.  (E. g.,
> Q:  "Is this the newsgroup for Tina Turner?"  A:  "No, Stina Nordenstam."
> Re:  "Uh, I don't even, like, shop at Nordstrom's anymore.")
>         3)  the "notquite4ad" in the title would clue them in to the fact
> that although Stina is not on 4ad her sound is quite "thislisty" and their
> "Stina Sucks!" posts should be crossposted to 4ad-l.
>         4) those of us "in the know" about Stina could either complain
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I love it.

> about how difficult it is to get her CD's even though she's on a major
> label OR brag to those who are trying to find them about how we just got
> her debut in a cutout bin for $3.

5) Former owners of a Stina Nordenstam CD ($5 inna cutout bin).
  Thanks, Stina, but I'm sleeping
   better these days, perhaps when my insomnia returns...



kent
kjv@mti.cdc.com
this is my art now, falling apart now, for love...

Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:09:28 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Cathrene Wheel (sorry in advance)


Someone said that "This year we lost" Cathrene Wheel, did they break
up? They may not be "thislisty" but I'm just curious.

                                        Brian

Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:29:42 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Autechre/Clear/BDP


Sung Shim  writes:

>      _Incunabula_ was quite electro-ish in many parts.  I personally love
> their electro influences.  Nothing makes me want to dance more than when a
> dj spins old school house-electro tracks.

What is "electro", by the way? I hear that term a lot, but I've never
seen a description of what the term means...

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen


Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:34:20 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Stina and Black Rose


cz wrote:

>         Yay, discussion! I was hoping someone would question my likes
> or dislikes. Well to refresh my memory i relistened to that track
> just a second ago and here's my reply: This is a song that on the
> first 1-5 listens is slightly annoying because of her affected voice
> (i wouldn't compare it to anyone else's either). This is a song that
> might sound a lot better on a worse compilation. Of course when i say
> 'worse' i just mean according to my tastes--i don't like throwing
> IMHO's all over because EVERY music review is written from opinion. I
> don't dislike the song enough to use my programmable CD player (which
> i do quite often). On repeated listens this song has become much more
> enjoyable although it still remains one of the weakest on the album.
> It took me a long time to appreciate Sinead's musical covers but i
> eventually came to love them. Maybe this song, which, as i said,
> reminds me of a musical, will grow on me similarly. I didn't know it
> was trendy to give Black Rose a bad rap or i would have raved about
> them just to avoid trendiness. ;)

Well, its not so much that its trendy, its just that everyone usually ignores me
when I bring Black Rose up.  :(  I still think that "the room inside" is one of
the best CDs I've bought in ages.  If you had this disc, you'd appreciate the
track *instants* much more.  She's got a style that has to grow on you, but once
it does, you're hooked.  Unfortunately, I think they just moved to HYPErium.

> Isn't it difficult when you have to hate everything that's popular in
> order to be cool. There's a fine line between trendy and reactionary
> and the two extremes meet on the other side of the circle. But i
> digress.

Yeah...I should just shut up and learn to enjoy _Live_ and Michael Jackson.  It
sure would make shopping for the CDs alot easier and cheaper.  Plus I'd get to
hear my favorite song every 20 minutes on any radio station I tune to.  :\

Seriously though, its just really hard to enjoy most of that crap on the radio
when my head is still reeling from the beauty of groups like the Cranes and the
durutti column.  I don't like a group (at least I don't think so...) just
because they are obscure.  The music has to touch something in my gut, and when
it does I become obsessed and try to force them on all my friends.  Hmmm, maybe
that's why I have fewer and fewer friends...  The hell with them!  Who needs
friends when I've got Stina washing over me with beautiful songs like "hoplessly
yours".  God, if that song doesn't make your heart ache, you're not human.

Not to say that I don't enjoy all kinds of music--for instance I hate to admit
it, but I really like that song, Waterfall(?).  (Isn't that _In vogue_ who sings
that?)  But most of the time, the crap that the local Houston stations force
down my throat really does nothing for me.  Call me a pretensious arrogant snob,
I guess.

> >marvynHortman (who is going to rush right out with the fervor he had
> for Stina >Nordenstam and buy alle thyngs Bel Canto.)
>
> YES YES YES, go out and buy those Bel Canto CD's before they go out
> of print, then join us on the dewy-fields mailing list (soon to be
> put into newsgroup format as
> "alt.music.everchanginglabel.BellKanToe").

Hey, I wanna play!!  I wanna play!!!  Bel Canto is awesome!!!  I've been playing
around their web pages; downloading song snippets and I'm totally in love.  The
only problem with this list is that there are so many groups discussed, that
it's hard to keep them all straight.  I can't believe I've missed these folks
for so long, though.  (course I said the same thing about the cranes and stina.
Someone had to stick them on a tape for me before I "got it".)


marvynHortman  who is also becoming a happy fax nerd to boot.  :~D


Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:22:09 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Caroline Lavelle & Brian Eno


I was out shopping yesterday (came upon Banco de Gaia (trippy and
dance), Bark Psychosis (I had expected something Wire/Laika-like
dancey stuff, but it's depressive, soft rock music with violins. I'm
in like), Future Sound of London (whoooooosh, but much better than
"Tales of Ephedrina") & Suddenly, Tammy! (not as good as the first
album, I think) dirt cheap, all of them) and saw that Caroline Lavelle
(that TMC woman) has an album out. How is it? Should I plonk down my
cash for that one?

And how about "Nerve Net" by Brian Eno? Huh? Huh?

Help me spend my money.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:29:51 +0200
From: Christophe Demunter (Christophe.Demunter@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: Cathrene Wheel (sorry in advance)


On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, Scott, Mari & Brian wrote:

> Someone said that "This year we lost" Cathrene Wheel, did they break
> up? They may not be "thislisty" but I'm just curious.

Don't think so, I saw them playing live last Thursday, here in Brussels.

PS : It was a great show !!!
PS : If you like the song Black Metallic, you should have been there,
that song took about 20 minutes !

Bye,

Christophe Demunter,
Gent, Belgium.


Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 11:47:57 -0500
From: Terry Collins (ispy@OAK.NCC.UMN.EDU)
Subject: Re: Minneapolis, Lisa Gerrard

              16, 95 11:24:39 am

(Sorry to be posting this to the whole list but I didn't have the
individual's e-mail address)
>
> i am going to see Lisa Gerrard on Monday, October 16th in Minneapolis,
> she is playing at the Guthrie Theatre-Walker Arts Center.  if anyone is
> headed out for the show, please contact me.  I'd like to met other
> listies.
>
> cheers, euthelene
>
I'll be there.  Contact me at ispy@buddha.ncc.umn.edu.

  --iSpy--

        _
      _( )_          _
    _(     )_      _( )_
   (_________)   _(     )_
     \  \  \    (_________)
       \  \       \  \  \
                    \  \

What dreams may come when we have shuffled off this mortal coil?

Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 11:04:29 -0600
From: ".bigloveeyes." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: black rose


you lucky people with those black rose albums!  i can't even find a card
for them here.  :(

my question is.....supposedly one ablum has a few songs featuring gordon
sharp of cindytalk (and of this mortal coil....ha ha!  we're legitimately
thislisty now).  i've forgotten what the title is....what is it?  also,
can anyone hunt these down for me or perhaps give me the label/cat.#'s so
i can attempt to order them?  thanks....

        .mark.

Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:10:59 +0100
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Cathrene Wheel (sorry in advance)


On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, Scott, Mari & Brian wrote:

> Someone said that "This year we lost" Cathrene Wheel, did they break
> up? They may not be "thislisty" but I'm just curious.
>
>                                         Brian
>

I missed this post but all I can guess is that by 'we've lost Catherine
Wheel' the person is refering to the opinion that CW have gone
'rawk' and so are not quite thislisty. They definitely haven't split up and
are going to be touring with *our* Belly. They have done a video for a
song off their new album called Judy Staring at the sun featuring Tanya
Donelly on vocals. She's apparently attached to a rope in the video
pretending to fly. I can't comment on the video or the fact that CW have
gone rock. I've heard the first single (Waydown) which is quite good but
nothing like anything on Chrome. The albums been out for some time in the
US but I have to wait until next week for its UK release.

Lurking on the CW mailing list I've noticed that many people aren't too
impressed by the new album and also there's been a right old slagging-off
of Belly. I'm going to wait until my anger levels reach boiling point and
then respond .

Hope that might explain your question.

However, I could be totally wrong and we've lost means that they went for
drive in the desert and no-one can find them.

'H'y


'H' Cambridge

Stockholm Environment Institute at York
University of York, York, Uk.
Tel +44 1904 432992
Fax +44 1904 432898


Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 19:07:57 GMT
From: Stefan Tegstrom (Stefan_Tegstrom@online.idg.se)
Subject: DeadCanDance


Anyone heard any more bands on the 4AD label that sounds like Dead Can Dance /
This
Mortal Coil / Cocteau Twins except from His Name Is Alive ?




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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 13:55:42 -0500
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Stina and Black Rose


>> Isn't it difficult when you have to hate everything that's popular in
>> order to be cool. There's a fine line between trendy and reactionary
>> and the two extremes meet on the other side of the circle. But i
>> digress.
>
>Yeah...I should just shut up and learn to enjoy _Live_ and Michael Jackson.  It
>sure would make shopping for the CDs alot easier and cheaper.  Plus I'd get to
>hear my favorite song every 20 minutes on any radio station I tune to.  :\

        Actually, even if it's "good" music that is played every 20 minutes
there's nothing that will ruin it for me more effectively than hearing it on
the radio every half hour.  My workmates used to play the radio all day and
my poor fetish for Mazzy Star was slowly eaten away by the mind-numbing
repitition.  

-cz

Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 15:53:19 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: DeadCanDance


> Anyone heard any more bands on the 4AD label that sounds like Dead Can Dance /
> This Mortal Coil / Cocteau Twins except from His Name Is Alive ?

Nope.


Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:03:15 -0700
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: so, where in the world is the buzz over twinlights anyways?


Last night while listening to the radio I was thinking, "God, this sounds a lot
like Liz Fraser... Who in the world could this be?  that singer who did that
song with Shane McGowen and the Popes? Loreena McK--? hmm. She sure sounds
like Liz Fraser."
You probably guessed by now that the song was back-announced as off of
_Twinlights_ and I just about kicked myself for not paying closer attention to
it or at least turning it up so that everyone sleeping could hear it.
Anyways, the song, "Half Gifts" struck me as very quiet, fragile, and delicate.
Liz's singing style has the soft kind of whisper like in "Mud and Dark" I
think.
As much as I heard, quite a good track. I'm getting more positive vibes about
their new stuff every day.

What is up with you kids? Usually by the time I hear a new CT release it's most
inner complexities have been dissected by everyone on the list!


Tidibit I heard when Love Spirals Downwards were on the radio last Thursday
Chrismas_ for a projekt Chistmas comp. You know the one.. "Yahoo dore, yahoo
dore..." Definately one of those moments when you think, I wish I thought of
that first. Unfortunately the comp. isn't going to be called something like
"A Very Special Goth Christmas." I forget the exact name. I'm hoping for
a Lycia cover of jingle bells or something.
I saw Suzanne and Ryan and the Trance to the Sun people at the station. Suzanne
was a riot, talking about um, dolphin sex, and getting out of their car
on the way there to attack a guy who flipped them off.
I'm somewhat unhappy that I can't make it to their show, but "all fish" should
make up for it

-nck

Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:55:32 -0500
From: Sung Shim (zagnut@INTERACCESS.COM)
Subject: Re: Autechre/Clear/BDP


>What is "electro", by the way? I hear that term a lot, but I've never
>seen a description of what the term means...

     Remeber breakdancing music in the early 80's?  Real fat cheesey synths
and Run DMC beats.  OLD SCHOOL.

sung
---
    zagnut@interaccess.com
    z943159@corn.cso.niu.edu

Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:06:58 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: the real death of rock and roll


the enemy of the people opined:
> Let's see, while I'm depressed, this year we have lost:

>  Verve
>  Swervedriver
>  The Cure
>  Catherine Wheel

        Why The Cure??? Lost? What on earth do you mean? And do you not
like _Happy Days_?? puzzling...

= "Wake up, see    \ If there's no God, why      + "Where unadmired beings =
= the sun...what's / are there atheists?         + dread the due changes   =
= done is done..." \  -variation on St. Anselm's + ahead..."               =
=  -Ride: "Today"  /   Ontological Proof         +  -Red House Painters    =


Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:54:15 -0700
From: Sharkless girl a/k/a Kayleigh (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Cathrene Wheel (sorry in advance)


You wrote:

> Someone said that "This year we lost" Cathrene Wheel, did they break
> up? They may not be "thislisty" but I'm just curious.
I think there are many folk who condier that last CW release to be a
bit too Americanized for the UKers and shoegazers.  Actually CS has
played some pretty heavy riffs inthe past, just go back to Ferment, the
guitars get mighty heavy at times.  Anyhow, i can't stand the Judy
staring at sun crap, tanya donnelly makes me wretch, so some are a bit
miffed about that collboration and tour of CW and Belly.  enough to
make a proper UKer cringe...

euthelene, who's lost her shark and is crying in her lager

Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 19:15:36 -0400
From: Steven Holmes (sbholmes@ALPHA.DELTA.EDU)
Subject: (fwd) NEW info (really) (fwd)


with all the talk about new SP albumn thought u all might find this
interesting, i found it on the SP newsgroup, so dont know how truthful it is.
enjoy
---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 11:10:34 -0400
From: Steven Boyd Holmes (sbholmes@alpha.delta.edu)
Subject: (fwd) NEW info (really)


.uu.net!eskimo!guysmiley.blarg.com!usenet
From: bulldoze@blarg.net (Andrew Dunn)
Subject: NEW info (really)

Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 06:42:26 GMT My friend works in a record store, she knew I was a pumpkins fan so she wrote this down... this is the MAJOR info it gave, I haven't seen this yet so I can't confirm ANYTHING... but she doesn't have i-net access so I thought I'd post this. Disk 1: 1) Dawn To Dusk: Mellon Collie And The Infinate Sadness 2) Tonight, Tonight 3) Jellybelly 4) Zero 5) Here Is No Why 6) Bullet With Butterfly Wings 7) To Forgive 8) Fuck You (An Ode To No One) 9) Love 10) Cupid De Locke 11) Galapogos 12) Muzzle 13) Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans 14) Take Me Down Disk 2: 1) Twilight To Starlight: Where Boys Fear To Tread 2) Bodies 3) Thirty-Three 4) In The Arms Of Sleep 5) 1979 6) Tales Of Scorched Earth 7) Thru The Eyes Of Ruby 8) Stumbleine 9) X.Y.U. 10) We Only Come Out At Night 11) Beautiful Lily (My One And Only) 12) By Starlight 13) Farewell And Goodnight Sept 29th: "Bullet With Butterfly Wings" hits radio Oct 23rd: Live show in Chicago, to be broadcast nationally Oct 24th: Album release Nov 11th: Saturday Night Live It goes on to mention a spring tour. Hope none of this is a reapete, and I hope this is correct info... just keepin' you guys informed. nd.

Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 19:23:14 EST
From: dboughey@MGDESTMX01.ERIN.GOV.AU
Subject: Newsgroup thingy


     As someone who does not have access to newsgroups (?) I suppose my
     only concern would be losing access to Cocteau type info which might
     not appear here anymore.

     Oh, and while I'm here, I'd just like to thank all those people who
     answered the questions in my last post.  That is I would like to if
     anyone did.

     David
     dboughey@mgdestmx01.erin.gov.au


Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:08:50 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: black rose


> you lucky people with those black rose albums! i can't even find a
> card for them here. :(
>
> my question is.....supposedly one ablum has a few songs featuring
> gordon sharp of cindytalk (and of this mortal coil....ha ha! we're
> legitimately thislisty now). i've forgotten what the title is....what
> is it? also, can anyone hunt these down for me or perhaps give me the
> label/cat.#'s so i can attempt to order them? thanks....

Hi Mark.

Well, I might be able to help you out...there is a local "alternative" music
store here in town that had a couple of different CDs of theirs the other day.
They're an import from Italy on the _contedisc_ label.  I'll check this
afternoon to see if there are any still available (they cost b/n 15 & 20
dollars) and I'll pick them up if they do.  I'm sure if you don't want them
SOMEONE will.

The cat# for my favorite CD, _the room inside_ is _contedisc 168_.  This is the
CD with Gordon Sharp on it.  Goddammit, how did I miss that before?  BR *IS*
thislisty!  He composed _touched_ and _circle of shit_.


I knew if I kept at it long enough, I could eventually spark some discussion on
them. :)

BLACKROSEBLACKROSEBLACKROSEBLACKROSEGOBUYTHEIRCDBLACKROSESATANISGOODSATANISYOURP
ALBLACKROSE


marvynHortman

PS cz, the thing about hearing a song every 20 minutes...destroyed Portishead
for me a few months back.  Until I heard _Nobody Loves Me_ on TANK GIRL the
other day when I rented it and got all happy again about Portishead.  :)  BTW,
Tank Girl is a GREAT movie. VERY entertaining.

Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:23:07 -0700
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: Caroline Lavelle & Brian Eno


On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:

> album, I think) dirt cheap, all of them) and saw that Caroline Lavelle
> (that TMC woman) has an album out. How is it? Should I plonk down my
> cash for that one?

        I know Caroline Lavelle from her collaboration with Massive
Attack on "Home of the Whale" and a mellow dancey Real World production of
"She Walked through the Fair".  Beautiful tunes.  I picked up her solo album
and didn't even get all the way through it once.  It seemed so uninspired.
But you should judge for yourself.   It is produced by William Orbit and
has a guest appearance by classical violinist Nigel Kennedy.

> And how about "Nerve Net" by Brian Eno?

        I think it is great but it _is_ a certain taste.  It's rockin' Eno
and not so much ambient Eno.  Some drummer dude from EMF (remember them!)
lays down a drum pattern on one of the tracks.  What is really great
are the singles released off of it - "Ali Click" with remixes by the Grid
(you can hear five seconds of this track over the Fox Television
corporate logo if you watch TV - the Simpsons, alright?!?) and "Fractal
Zoom" with crazy bongo and spooky hush hush ambient mixes by Moby.

        Eno is a taste a bit like black liquorice.


Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:33:20 -0700
From: kelli-jeanne and jOHN (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: no habla his name is alive


  my timeStereo stuff came.

  only hearing two of the 5 tapes i ordered {next order consisting of
  the remaining 17 i don't have}, i'll say only a few words:

  new grape is a nice warmfuzzy collektion of dara songs {who, i've
  been told on 3 different ocassions, is from the band the Velveteens}.
  familiar 'library girl' ambient intro music pops up in one spot...
  several different new grape {sic} soda songs...the first real 'song'
  on the tape is very noisey and garbled, but the tape becomes a
  much more focused and coherent piece of work as it progresses. i
  give it a li'l noisecricket thumbs up...people who like 'library girl'
  will like this entire tape. it's not noisey in the lovesliescrushing
  vein...more like the messed up medicine instrumental parts on
  'shot forth self living'. in fact, dara sounds like beth thompson in
  some spots....

  hnia live in mexico is beautiful, as much as a live recording can be.
  some ultrafine moments...nice production. warren deserves several pats
  on the back for this. the instrumental segues are perfect...the songs
  and loops and instrumental bits blend into each other rather well.
  not seamless, but certainly not choppy and out of place. i'm especially
  amused by the mexican radio dj...the first time he comes up i can't
  help but think he's saying something terribly sinister. it's the way
  he injects "mouth by mouth" into his dialogue...i dunno...you just
  have to hear it to understand it. anyhoo, not just a live rekkid, but
  a a pleasant work of art. i'm sooper happy that 'lemon ocean' is
  included in the set......it just sounds so darn nice....



  spinnerin',
  nOISEgIRLY k-j

  ...going to see LSD on thursday...come say hi if you like...
  ...i'll look decidedly ungothic and out of place...

Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 20:46:28 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: fax / music to sleep 2


e

>If
you want good sleeping music, 62 Eulengasse and Fanger & Siebert >are both
really good recent releases from Fax. The first Compilation is also
>tremendous. Brian Eno's album Neroli is also a favorite. Very minimal and
>beatless. Ambient 4: On Land is even better but kinda scary. :)

Thanks for suggests.

Ear has a tendency to run short on most fax releases, so I needed an
alternate outlet with deeper...pockets.  Modula Green isn't the only one I'm
searching, but it is the paramount want at the moment.

Other -sleep to- music would have to be Victorialand, as well as Pygmalion,
and others but the lack of sleep lately is rendering other recordings to
escape my head.

In the abbreviated sleep of last night I listened to Cymatic Scan, and I
dreamt of playing hockey/frisbee on (natural) grass, no less, against celebs.
 All I remember is wearing rollerblades and constantly throwing an aerobee
disc at Linda Ronstadt, all the while screaming at her that she sucked at
this game.  She got pissed and I told a Baldwin brother (*no* I don't
remember which one:) to rough her up a little.  That shut her up, but all the
while it was a disconcerting feeling for me...I guess.

Only listening to Cymatic Scan in the bright sunshine from now on,

Jason

srilank@aol.com


Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 20:25:24 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: DeadCanDance


On Tue, 19 Sep 1995 hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US wrote:

> > Anyone heard any more bands on the 4AD label that sounds like Dead Can Dance
/
> > This Mortal Coil / Cocteau Twins except from His Name Is Alive ?
>
> Nope.

His Name is Alive sounds like Cocteau Twins and DCD (and TMC?)?

                            n9344881@cc.wwu.edu
  "He who clearly apprehends the scheme of existence does not rejoice over
 life, nor repine at death; for he knows that external limits are not final."